User talk:OnBeyondZebrax/Archive 2

NPOV

I disagree with you. Although it can lead to POV, it is important to say how the public recieved a film for example, because this reception is often different to that of the critics. Anyway, "critics" == "prominent experts" in my opinion. What do you think? Maybe there is a way to rephrase this. Yandman 14:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Skinhead article

In your comments by your edit to the skinhead article, you wrote that the text I reverted "...is filled with weasel words, original research..." What specifically are you referring to? I have no issue with the edit you made to the one sentence, but I'm not sure if you have other examples. I didn't write most of that text, but it looks pretty accurate to me, and it's nothing that I haven't read, heard or seen before. I have been careful about not just instantly reverting huge sections just because of a few errors. I always read through the changes and only delete or revert content that is innacurate, unverifiable, point of view or irrelevant. Of course I sometimes make mistakes, but I usually catch those later and remedy the situation. Spylab 12:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab

I looked back at the article, and saw a few examples of what you mean. I replaced words like "exploded" and "closely tied" with more academic and verifiable terms. I'll take another look to see any others I have missed. The skinhead article is notorious for editors (often anonymous) trying to promote their point of view (usually US-based) and posting unverified myths that they have read on message boards and other unreliable sources. My goal is to make the article as accurate and relevant as possible. Spylab 13:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab

B-movie

You're quite right. I've restored the quote, clarifying the context. Best, Dan—DCGeist 13:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Aestheticization of violence

Hi, Nazamo. I do agree with you that the article still needs a considerable amount of work. I hope you're agreeable to my copying and posting your comment to the article's Talk page, as it raises a couple of important, specific points. I disagree with one and agree with the other (as I state there), but certainly others interested in the article should consider both of them. Best, Dan —DCGeist 18:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Your changes on Jazz fusion

Your changes are generally a mess, and there was no POV in the article as it existed, and you made no specific references to where you saw a POV. You also butchered the layout, and now I get to spend hours reverting what you've done. Tvccs 23:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

In looking at your contribution history, you have an obvious interest in the bass and bass guitar - in looking at your changes and deletions - it would be a POV to say Jaco Pastorius was innovative, because it's an unsourced "POV", even though we and thousands of others would agree with it. Such criteria is a POV in and of itself, and if POV is that large a concern, your efforts might well have been better spent researching and linking/bookmarking the content that was there. The deletions you made on Soft Machine, for example, are completely inappropriate - Third is their largest selling record by far, was in print for many, many years, and is seen by most familiar with the Canterbury Scene as one of, if not the, leading recording of that era - Hugh Hopper's interviews, which are linked on his page and the Soft Machine page, support that. and I see little or no other contributions from you to anything else to do with Canterbury. The various references cited in the article - most of which predated my contributions, support the prior article, as do other Wikipedia and other sources referenced. It's also not appropriate to move the radio section down to the 1990's and 2000's section you renamed, it's not related. And the majority of other edits, no matter how well-intentioned, create havoc with the prior article, and reflect your own POV. Tvccs 00:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of POV, you are the only contributor to that article in the last however many months that feels that fusion was "well-represented in the 1980's - nearly everyone else has concurred otherwise. You also removed the section on virtuosity, which is also your POV - you have to be a virtuoso to play most of that music, and very few musicians can at the highest levels, or play and improvise in those meters, etc. Tvccs 00:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to plunk this down here, I can't find a "add talk here" place (perhaps I missed it). I saw your site, and I appreciated a lot of your points, about learning about a topic before you edit a page. Here are some friendly responses to your message....
Thanks for your comments.
Your changes are generally a mess--Just trying to do good-faith copyediting to improve flow, and downgrade strong claims to a more defensible position (e.g. I proposed changing Jaco from the "most celebrated bassist" (or similar phrase), which may be hard to prove, because many bassists have been "celebrated" in bass magazines to "innovative")
I think it's a reasonable forward to claim that Jaco Pastorius and Stanley Clarke were likely the two most influential bassists with fusion ties to the 70's. That commentary was here before I arrived, and I believe it's generally accepted within the fusion community from all that I've read over the past 20-30 years. I'm a former record buyer with a major chain and know many of these people personally as well...have 10,000 recordings, have written liner notes, have music blogs, etc etc etc. God forbid we have anything "OR"...In regards to the layout issues, you have to look at the images on a page and adjust those as well if you're going to mess with copy, not just edit copy and leave a page looking like hell with edits - I don't touch pages unless I'm prepared to edit not only the copy, but the layout as well, and I've had to learn various tricks to make that easier. I might prefer a shorter lead as well, but the prior lead, with the Miles Bitches Brew cover, looked like hell from a layout standpoint, and I didn't want to move the Miles cover just because of my own preferences as it belonged there according to others. Another editor took my original section on virtuosity and time signatures and moved it up into the lead, which I thought was a good move (see the page discussion). I thought it was a good thing to add the Tony Williams Lifetime cover art, which helped balance the layout, and it means the lead is longer than usual. It's a matter of balancing layout and content, and I thought it was the best option at the time. Leaving huge gaps in displayed pages looks terrible, and as I've reviewed pages cited by Wikipedia as excellent I've found layout is an important issue, as it should be. I should also add that I'm reluctant to delete or edit the work of others much except for very minor grammatical cleanup and obvious fact errors or omissions, this is supposed to be a collaborative effort. I'm not the god's gospel on this, and I know people, like the guys that run Audiophile Imports, that can run circles around me. I'd rather add and build than chop and diminish.
and there was no POV in the article as it existed, I argue that statements like "In addition to Davis, the most important figures in early fusion were.." could have some POV. I argue that the POV exists in the phrase "the most important". If it was softened to "other important", sure, that's defensible. But to say a list of 6 or 7 are "the most important," I believe you'd need an expert source saying this.
Again, there are plenty of "expert sources" that have agreed on this for years to the point of common knowledge - there are not a lot of definitive fusion bibles out there, actually none. There are articles referenced at the bottom of the page that do generally support those contentions, however.
and you made no specific references to where you saw a POV. Sorry, should have been more specific in edit summary
You also butchered the layout,I didn't believe that the radio airplay para was needed in the Lede...but if you call that "butchering", OK.
See above commentary about balancing layout and copy - One of the things I have consistently found since I was a record buyer in the 1970's, and have seen and heard dozens of times since, is people asking why they never hear this music on the radio, in the U.S., whereas Scott Henderson and other people have talked about a much wider acceptance overseas.
better spent researching and linking/bookmarking...I agree with this point...I have started some articles, and there are some editors who just keep cutting and deleting, and I feel like you...If you feel so strongly that X content is unsourced or whatever, why not improve it, and don't just cut it out. For the record, I don't think I actually ERASED content, I just tried to copyedit and downgrade claims.
I'm glad you sense the same, and I try to stay away from deleting "unsourced" material I know is reasonable when there are no traditional sources, which is most of the time in what I write about. And yes, there was siginificant content that was deleted in the form of edits. deletions you made on Soft Machine...references to bands being leaders of scenes are commonly made in music pages...However, I believe these claims, since they are subjective, need to be backed up by a quote from an expert (music critic/music historian). Your point that Soft Machine are the leaders may be fine...but many Wiki editors claim that XXX singer is the leader of YYY scene, or ZZZ band is the leader of the QQQQ scene, without references. Read the Canterbury scene Wiki page, the Soft Machine page, there are books on Canterbury, many other references, it's generally, not universally (there are a few Caravan and National Health junkies for example), accepted that Soft Machine was the lead band from the Canterbury scene, and that has been the case for 30-plus years, and they have the record sales to support it, having outsold anyone else Canterbury-related with the exception of Pink Floyd by a wide margin. I already referenced the Hugh Hopper interview in my prior comments. In this case we aren't talking about today's bands, per se, this is established and discussed ad nauseum history.
It's also not appropriate to move the radio section down to the 1990's and 2000's section you renamed, it's not related. Sorry, probably not a good place, but I didn't believe the lede was a good place.
See above.
And the majority of other edits, no matter how well-intentioned, create havoc with the prior article, and reflect your own POV.Just trying to improve the article.
Again, your improvements need to be balanced against the contributions of dozens of others, especially when you start chopping up copy. I try and respect the time and effort of others, regardless of whether I totally agree with what they've said, or exactly how they said it.
you are the only contributor to that article in the last however many months that feels that fusion was "well-represented in the 1980's - nearly everyone else has concurred otherwise.Maybe it is a problem of definition of fusion, but the facts indicate that there are Grammy Awards for Jazz Fusion throughout the 1980s....Grammy Awards of 1989: Yellowjackets for Politics Grammy Awards of 1988: Pat Metheny Group for Still Life (Talking) Grammy Awards of 1987: Bob James & David Sanborn for Double Vision Grammy Awards of 1986: David Sanborn for Straight To The Heart Grammy Awards of 1985: Pat Metheny Group for First Circle Grammy Awards of 1984: Pat Metheny Group for Travels Grammy Awards of 1983: Pat Metheny for Offramp Grammy Awards of 1980: Weather Report for 8:30...plus other albums from the 1980s, such as Weather Report (self-titled album) summer of 1981, Yellowjackets Yellowjackets 1981. Yellowjackets Mirage A Trois 1983, Yellowjackets Samurai Samba 1985, Yellowjackets Shades 1986, Yellowjackets Four Corners 1987, Yellowjackets Politics 1988. Yellowjackets The Spin 1989, plus Chick Corea Elektric Band...
The above list generally speaks to the exact issue of the submergence of fusion into the smooth jazz genre and the resulting confusion about fusion (ha-ha). I actually added something to the smooth jazz page on this. By this time Weather Report was a Birdland-driven whatever that was a shell of its original improvisational monster, the Metheny albums cited are from his smoothest phase (and from which many commercial themes were taken - I heard one for Publix Supermakets to the point of near insanity), David Sanborn and Bob James are well-known as smoothers, as is Yellowjackets. The music the Grammys awarded has little or none of the experimentation/improvisation fusion was best known for and is far more littered with the safe and catchy hooks, etc. of smooth jazz, which is why the section on confusion, etc. is appropriately included in the article. If you looked at the smooth jazz station playlists of the time such as the pioneering WLOQ-FM in Winter Park, Florida, the albums you cited above would be all over their air, whereas they wouldn't have touched Allan Holdsworth with a ten foot pole.
You also removed the section on virtuosity, which is also your POV - you have to be a virtuoso to play most of that music, and very few musicians can at the highest levels, or play and improvise in those meters, etc. I would argue that all top professional instrumental musicians with solo careers in genres ranging from bebop, classical, or bluegrass are probably virtuosos on their instruments. If you claim that fusion musicians have an exceptional level of virtuosity, beyond say a top bebop player or classical soloist, then please add in an expert source (musicologist/music critic) to support this.Nazamo 14:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Classical musicians have a high level of technical virtuosity, but rarely improvise at anything near the level of the best fusion players, or play in odd meters with rare exceptions, and the improvisation that does exist, no matter how beautiful, is generally limited by the form with some rare exceptions. Be-Bop players and especially some avant-garde players obviously improvise, but again, you rarely hear the complexity of odd meters and changes combined with that improvisation (I'd point to maybe the Art Ensemble of Chicago as the best exception), as opposed to a band like Planet X, for example, that may make dozens of meter changes in a single song, or something like Don Ellis playing in a 19/8 that almost no one can play period. Bluegrass players rarely mess much with meters as well with some exceptions, and I wish like mad bands like Union Station would use their gifts of improvisation more as the virtuosity and ability is obviously there - but again, I don't hear bluegrass recordings where you hear the aspects of fusion where you have extended track lengths and soloing combined with mutiple meter changes, odd meters and virtuosity. If you know of any, please point them my way - I was, for example, disappointed in the recent Union Station live DVD which featured great playing all over, but almost nothing that varied much from what had been recorded and released in the studio, even when the songs seemed to scream out for improvisation live. I should also add/clarify that much of my thoughts on virtuosity is aimed at the rock genre, where people like Bruce Hornsby have made a point of talking about how rare a real concentration on virtuosity is in the latest generation of musicians. I have made an adjustment to the virtuosity section, and will edit it further in order to clarify/improve it. Again, thanks for your comments, and I hope you find mine useful as well. Tvccs 22:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tvccs"

Thank you for your most recent comments - please use the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tvccs, or discussion page, am I am using here, for future comments/discussion with users. Tvccs 17:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Once again...let's leave the comments here from both and I will check back - Although your extensive changes on jazz fusion again are well-intended, I'm sure, they are again filled with deletions that didn't need to be made, and in many cases the copy again makes no sense - Genuine fusion carries on is not a POV - it's a direct statement redressing this issue of smooth jazz and confusion as a result, and the copy edits you made once again butcher that very needed perspective. I haven't had time yet to read all that you did - have you ever heard "Lotus" from Santana? Your rewrite of that section does him an injustice, and the section on Lotus not being released in the U.S. for twenty years was very relevant. I will add more later. Tvccs 22:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

On a limited further review...I see many more problems...much like the first time. I've looked at your user contributions - can you plase point me to something you've largely created rather than edited? I see a lot of editing, and I see others have complained about your hacking up articles as well. Tvccs 22:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I read your comments quickly...thought we'd leave them all here...but...as in the first go-round, you again deleted content i.e. Santana, which you discovered on further review the first time. Please link here, if you would be so kind, articles you've generally created. Thank you. Tvccs 04:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• Let me also add, for the record, that I write for a NY Times newspaper, including material about music, and have for many years. I've also written and produced dozens of television interviews and musical performances for more than ten years, and served as an editor and Executive Producer for many more. I work directly with the artists themselves on numerous occasions, including Wikipedia. Tvccs 10:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Children of Men

I don't like the edits you have made to the article on Children of Men. Your edits are unnecessary and somewhat random; they have disrupted the flow of the synopsis, you've made a few errors, and have generally chopped out a great deal of information. And you haven't even given an explanation as to why you've done this. If you aren't happy with the way the article appears, it would be polite to say so on the talk page and inform other users of your opinions, before you just start tearing articles apart. Rusty2005 22:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Frank and Silver

Hi, Nazamo. So...there aren't articles on either of them. I have a strong allergy to red links, but I'm resisting it here. If you start the articles, as you said, I'll help out as I can. I know nothing of Frank other than his seminal article (and maybe that's all there is to know); I have in my library most of what Silver has written, so I can certainly contribute there. Best, Dan —DCGeist 22:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Great. I'll see if there's anything on Frank in my library. As for oneiric/oneirism, that's an interesting cite you give for "oneirism." On the other hand, the very same source--i.e., Princeton--give for "oneiric": "of or relating to or suggestive of dreams" (see here). Similarly, MedicineNet.com gives for "oneiric": "Relating to dreams; dream-like." (see here). Not to mention the latest edition of the standard Merrian-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: "of or relating to dreams : dreamy." The translation, by the way, is direct; Borde and Chaumeton's original French is "onirique." They use the word often, as they do the standard French noun for "dream": rêve. In their discussion of noir, they never use the standard French noun for "daydream": rêverie.—DCGeist 03:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think developing an article on dreams/oneirism in the critical context you describe is an excellent idea. My immediate feeling is that it's too complex a notion to deal with in a footnote, but if you find a good article online on the topic, I think it's fine to link to it until Wikipedia has its own article. A very interesting book directly on this topic came out about a year ago: The Power of Movies: How Screen and Mind Interact, by Colin McGinn, a profesor of philosophy. He investigates "how heightened reality characterizes both film narrative and dreams" and explores the variety of ways in which movies are dreamlike (and dreams are movielike). It's something you might want to take a look at it, or, if you initiate an article from other sources, I can bring some of McGinn's observations in.

Yes, that is interesting about Silver. I had vaguely heard that he was involved in film production, but had no sense to what extent until you raised it and I looked him up at IMDb. A somwhat comparable case is that of James Schamus--the very successful producer of Ang Lee's movies (Brokeback, Crouching Tiger), he's also a professor of highbrow film theory and philosophy at Columbia University (I briefly attended a class of his there). Of course, Silver is the leading presence in the noir critical field; I don't believe Schamus has written nearly as much in terms of film theory/history. Best, Dan—DCGeist 22:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Just had a chance to look at the Frank article--terrific job!—DCGeist 05:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Oneiric (film theory)

Just had a look. Excellent work.—DCGeist 21:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Art film

Good addition to Art film--the disclaimer works well and helps with some of the contradictions of having mainstream films listed with arthouse, something that's bothered me but I had no idea how it could be resolved short of editorializing mainstream vs. arthouse. Freshacconci 15:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

re: Art film I don't like the what is taking place on the Art Film page. I think in Your attempts to edit you went out and copied some list of a web page about Indi films, becasue many of the films I am finding are out of place, not indi films or unnecessary and somewhat random; I do not know for shre if you did this but I hope you are cheaking your facts, this page now needs a lot of work. I would like to know how you feel about this. . .Grosscha 20:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I like your Idea about putting the movies at the bottom in the decade time line. I think until we get this page better sorted out keeping it simple would be best, but after that I think adding more info would be a great Idea, and some pic's would do some good. Grosscha 21:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

You are right, simple, and inform, this way people do not become confused, and if people do want more information all they need do is click the link. let me know if you have any other ideas for this page , I am ready to help, just point me in the right detection Grosscha 21:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Noir for all

I finally got a chance to look at the Simple English film noir article. The only thing I feel called upon to say is that I think it's absolutely wonderful that you've done this. Best, Dan—DCGeist 06:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Resident Evil: Apocalypse

Oh, well thank you. :] Funny thing is I actually had to do a bit of research to figure out what you were talking about. I remember now about deleting the triva section, but I still think the article has a lot more work that needs to be done. There's a section of Miscellaneous Information thats essentially a trivia section in disguise. I haven't gotten to narrowing it down and adding the important stuff into the article quite yet. Good job with the plot edits anyways. I think now all it really needs is a little more tweaking here and there, and perhaps edited to flow a bit more. I'm not entirely sure. -Lindsey8417 07:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Spielberg

In my view disreputing a popular film magazine for being populist or whatever is quite POV. If a major establishment says something like that then it is notable. Still, thanks for doing some clean-up on the article: it's become so long I've found it impenetrable. Wiki-newbie 17:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

In my view, all major published magazines have a valuable voice on Wikipedia. Still, good work you've doing on Munich. Wiki-newbie 18:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Copyist

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing.

--Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Art television

Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Art television, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Oo7565 19:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

My delete suggestion wasn't meant to be harsh, but I don't think the term is sufficiently noteworthy to warrant its own topic. Perhaps as a paragraph section on Kristin Thompson's page, or under a broader television article. --Jajasoon 01:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Quality television

The problem is that this isn't a straightforward, objective concept; it's an evaluative notion (as if we were to have one article on Music and one on Good music). I honestly doubt that it would survive an AfD. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 20:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Well yes, but scholars and critics also talk about "great art" and "good music", "good food" and "fine wine" — evaluations all. "Quality television" isn't a term of art any more than any of the others; like them there will probably be a great deal of agreement among mature, educated people — but it's still not objective. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 20:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Spielberg

Hi, Finally, an editor with the same "allergy" to "fluff" writing in Wikipedia. Like you, I am tired of "fluff" writing, especially in music and arts articles, when we hear that so-and-so band is "the most influential and important rock band in the history of music" and that so-and-so rock singer "is widely considered to have the greatest voice in all of rock history." Whenever I see this style of writing, I purge it!Nazamo 03:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I actually believe that there are "others" of "us" out there :). Seriously, I have been only removing material from the project lately since at least 90% if not more, of the material in here is without sources. The project has exploded in content over the last 18 months. Good and bad imho. Most of the material is probably correct or added in good faith, but without references, who should believe it? I surely would not. Anyways, best of luck and let me know if you need assistance with "fluff removal". Cheers! --Tom 13:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Bouncer

Responded on my page. Cheers. MadMaxDog 10:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Again, I am impressed at the stuff you have added to the page. Even if it again meant I had to clean up some refs... MadMaxDog 13:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Stones Edits

Thanks for the edit of the intro. I hope you continue to pay attention to the Stones article. Mr Anoymous

Double bass edits

Thank you for your great edits to double bass. Your additions on bluegrass slapping are most enlightening. Badagnani 20:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

List of released Guantanamo prisoners who allegedly returned to battle

Hi Nazamo. You are off to such a great start on the article List of released Guantanamo prisoners who allegedly returned to battle that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Music
		Awarded to Nazamo for exceptional contributions to music-related articles. Great work! Cricket02 18:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ghostwriter

I don't have sources off-hand because I put that back in while doing high-speed vandalism reversion, but I do know it's a legitimate usage of the term. Why don't you improve the article by adding some sources; here's a few I got really fast. [1] [2] [3] [4]

Please reply on my talk page if you have any other concerns. Thanks! east.718 19:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like you beat my message, great job on the additions! east.718 19:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Saxa (musician)

I admit I went a little over the top with my inclusion of Saxa's history... but what do you say we keep in the line about his peers referring to him as "legendary?" I lost count of the number of times I read that while browsing through sites reading interviews and bios... and many were by fellow musicians rather than critics. That was the purpose of my reference to the site by the former Steel Pulse member... even someone from another band refers to him as such! - Steve3849 ^talk 04:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Rockets Redglare

Thanks for adding to Rockets page, I think you've cleared up many inaccuracies and false and libelous information that Pfistermeister repeteadly insists on posting. Peace, Black-E

Acid house

I appreciate your copy edits to the acid house article, especially in the introductory sections, but the etymology section and references sections are now rather messy. Are you still working on it?

I think the bulleted list provided better readability because it allowed the reader to skip the variable-length explanations for each item, whereas your prose version rather forces one to trudge through it. The bulleted list also makes it easier to imply that no one item has any more weight than any other.

I'm very wary of using "perhaps" and "may be due to" types of phrases like those you've added. I had tried to avoid that wording in the article because it makes statements be speculative, which is forbidden in Wikipedia articles. Please take this into consideration as you make your edits, even though it may seem superficial. It can make the difference between the article's stability and another editor coming along and deleting everything on the grounds that it has the look of original research. —mjb 18:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Response to yours on my talk page: It's not that there's too much text in the references (I think it's all quite useful), it's just that the formatting got crazy when you moved things around. There were various markup issues when I looked at it earlier today. I'll wait until you're done before commenting further, though. —mjb 21:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You've combined some things such that the Genesis P-Orridge info is now wrong. Please make it clear that 1. He claims to have invented acid house (citation still needed for this, I think); 2. In the Better Living Through Circuitry interview he does not make this claim but rather says that when he asked a Chicago record store clerk for the weirdest records on hand, he was pointed to the "acid house" section (the clerk used the term; it was apparently new to P-Orridge). He listened to them to try to figure out what made them psychedelic, and he came away convinced that the tempo was the key element. Thanks! —mjb 02:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Children of Men edits

You might want to revisit the article, as the inclusion of citations in the plot subheader is in violation wth the film article template. I like what you propose, but you have to find a place elsewhere to include citations. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 21:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Milkshake

The Milkshake article received heavy editing today by new/unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. If you think your efforts to improve that article would be aided if new and unregistered users were blocked from editing that article, please let me know and I will protect the article. Thanks. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 07:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Spam?

Hiya, thank you for your constructive edits. Do however take note of the guidelines for advertising or things that look like advertising. Your last edit to sound reinforcement systems seemed to be over the edge of what is acceptable, leaning too much towards being an advertisment. Happy editing! Martijn Hoekstra 16:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Priest

What's with the seemingly random rewrites on the Judas Priest article? Some of the prose is an improvement, but some of the other things you changed are clunkier now. You even added some weasel words, despite an attempt to remove them. Wtf, m8? Howa0082 14:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

heavy metal stuff

Hi Nazamo

First I have to congratulate for the great job you did in the heavy metal article but this is on one particular edit that I wanted to discuss here. I saw you removed the section on consecutive fifths. While your reason may appear justified, I have to stress the fact you apparently believed something wrong. You indeed seem to have understood that the sources were supposed to support the claim about the use in heavy metal. But of course not! I didn’t put them to support the claim that heavy metal uses parallel fifths!

Actually I put these sources on request of Ceoil

“Can you cite the statement: "The use of consecutive fifths and octaves is a violation of an important rule of harmony and classical aesthetic". Thanks.”

A comment that you can check by yourself on my talk page here and you also can check that the sources were added just a while after the request the HM historic page.

These sources were added to support the existence of this rule in classical music. So of course HM is not mentioned in them...

So no, my intellectual honesty is certainly not questionable concerning that issue, as your comment seems to suggest here:

"This appears to be Original Research. Yes, there are sources from various Classical encyclopaedias, but none mention HM."

Original research, the use of parallel fifths in heavy metal? Come on, this claim is easily verifiable empirically… I didn’t thought it was necessary to prove it as I thought it was obvious. But ok I can provide countless musical examples of HM using them. I will provide some.Frédérick Duhautpas (talk) 00:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Nazamo for your reply.

I really appreciate your sense of objectivity and your methodological approach but I’m afraid you misinterpreted my basic point in the article considering the content of your reply. Let me take it point by point.

Concerning your quote thanks for providing it, but I was already aware of everything about it, since I myself wrote a large part of this quote. So I certainly agree with it. This sentence most particularly:

“So it is irrelevant to criticize popular music for using such chords, for it never was concerned by the observance of these rules. Popular music’s compositional approach is freer, more intuitive and is not concerned by the complex classical theories of polyphonic structures”

it was written by ME. Yes I did.This too:

“In this approach, power chords are not considered as composed of independent parts that happen to coincide.”

So I can assure you there is nothing in this quote that contradicts the point I raised about parallel fifths in the HM article.This is where I realize you guys apparently misunderstood the point I raised since you seem to believe anything in this quote can contradict it.This point you removed is not meant to criticize Popular music for using Parallel fifths! Of course not. And of course it is a stylistic issue. That’s my point.

Basically the point was meant to dissipate the beliefs that claim Metal descends from classical. A view which is wrong. Because these music genres are different by essence. Classical is erudite music and Heavy metal is Popular music. But anyway the Parallel fifth comment is just a minor detail among others concerning this claim: The difference includes also the following facts.

1.Classical has a heavy theory of harmony, with lot of obligations and interdictions. While Heavy metal is freer in his compositional approach.

2.Classical is a strict written tradition, a classical work is defined first by its written score whereas Heavy metal song is first defined by its original recording.

3.Common practice classical music never or rarely used modal scales. Only late modern classical music made use of them. Whereas Metal most pre-eminent scales are modal.

4.Classical has a polyphonic comprehension of Harmony whereas Metal like many popular music often uses harmony like global block and doesn’t dissect them in independent parts like classical does..

5.Classical music extensive make use of complex techniques of composition such as strict academic counterpoint (not free counterpoint that pop music including metal may sometime use) and fugue as well as a use of polyphonic structure within the vertical harmony.

As for the guy who claims that chords can actually employ parallel fifths in classical. Sorry, but he's wrong. And I’m so sure of that, that I can challenge him to provide any examples from Mozart, Beethoven and any composer from the common practice period. There’s no doubt that chords progression by these composers don’t use such parallel movements even in instrumental accompaniment. And I can provide countless examples of such music without a single trace of Parallel fifths EVEN in CHORDS. Sure occasional exceptions to this rule can be found in case of chromatic context (where they re indeed licit), bass doubling to the octave most notably.

You also can find some exceptional example of free parallel fifths in Mozart’s divertimento for two horns and strings called “ A Musical Joke" (Ein Musikalischer Spaß, K. 522) ” .

But this was precisely meant to be a parody of popular musicians of his time for their extensive use of parallel fifths.

But yes, historically the parallel fifths rule does come from the polyphonic voice leading. So originally they used to concern only polyphonic chants. But that was in medieval music and Renaissance. But since then this rule has been extended to any ensemble in the common practice classical period. Until it was abolished by modern 20th century classical music. But modern classical is quite different from Common practice classical music. And Heavy metal rarely refers to modern classical music.

So sorry, but my point remains unchanged.

If my original point has been misinterpreted, then I agree it’s important to reword it to make it clear that nothing is meant to criticize or be condescending to Heavy metal. But I stick to it.

Unless the guy can provide extensive examples of parallel fifths even in chords in common practice classical music. Which I’m certain he cannot apart from the licit exceptions I mentioned.

Hope I dissipated certain misunderstandings.

Greetings

PS: at any rate, your French is wonderful! I wish I could speak English as well as that.Frédérick Duhautpas (talk) 09:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

New Jack Swing

Yes, but having the songs listed the way they currently are (rather than in a table or bulleted) is difficult to read -- and seeing as it's basically a list it should be displayed that way. And while I agree we need chart positions to show that songs merit being included in the article; I see no reason why why can't just list them like:

• Keith Sweat - I Want Her (#1 R&B, #5 Hot 100) 1987

etc. rather than having unnecessary text like "The next year, (song) by (artist) reached the number (#) position on the US charts and (#) on the US R&B chart....." or whatever. It doesn't add anything to the article. Nathan86 (talk) 05:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Shotgun

I appreciate that you were using what the article said. However, the article is not accurate. Shotguns are not only common in the US military, they are actually increasing due in part to our involvement more urbanized environments. Only a few years ago, the Dept. of Defense solicited a submissions for a new shotgun, which they've purchased in large number. The author of your article is writing from a very traditional point of view. And simply going by comparing them in strict numbers compared to rifles etc is misleading. For example, shotguns can be found in the arms rooms of many, many military units but mortars would be found in far less. Should we call mortars "uncommon"? Niteshift36 (talk) 23:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Escape from New York

I wouldn't mind if someone edits what I put under the Plot of Escape from New York, but please keep the main stroy details and plot there, and don't leave anything important out. I read it over and it was missing a few important details. I felt it was good "word count" wise where I had it, yet had enough detail to explain the story. If you want to change it...I guess you can as long as important story elements are kept in. I only added what I felt necissary, and it looked like you made it "too" short that is why I changed your edits. Well Have a nice day - Prede (talk) 01:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Jam band

Hi, I like seeing your edits to the Jam band article giving them more readability. There is a direction I was trying to keep in the opening paragraphs that appears to be getting lost again. When I first started working on the article last year I was un-nerved by some of the false statements about history of the use of the term which was basically muddling up the history of rock music itself. Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa and Pink Floyd were being listed as "first generation jam band" which is flat out rediculous as for starters there were no "jam bands" in the sixties. So I made an effort on two separate fronts. The first: being careful about when the term is used historically and the other: is to identify "jam band" as a largely cultural term, which it most certainly was in it's first use in the 1990's.

The current edit (yours) states "While the seminal late 1960s jam band group, Grateful Dead, were originally categorized as psychedelic rock band[3], by the 1990s and 2000s, jam bands existed within a variety of genres...." This implies that a "jam band" could exist in the 1960s and/or prior to the 1990s. It opens a can of worms in that once again young rock history enthusiasts will again be trying to discern who is and who isn't "jam band" from the sixties. After all, Led Zeppelin for exapmple did indeed jam performing 3 hour crossgenre sets. Was Led Zeppelin a jam band? That may sound like a rediculous question, but over time it will be innocently considered. - Steve3849 ^talk 01:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Dana Glover

She describes her own music as Southern Soul on her myspace page. Is that enough to classify her genre on her Wiki page as Southern Soul? It is hard to classify IMO, it sounds country, soul, gospel and alternative at different listening moments within the same song. Elements of all involved. Alatari (talk) 13:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

You had worked on other music articles leading me to believe you would have a serious opinion or sources at the ready. Alatari (talk) 12:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

mtv

i have no problem with the statement, put mtv on the map, im sure i never altered it a second time. Feel free to alter it to that. I might bring in a source to enforces how he helped end racism on mtv but the map line is correct and accurate. Realist2 (talk) 18:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

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Wilco

Your insertion of the material failed to take into account whether or not it was inseted well and was well-written. Inserting "roots rock" into the first sentence and into the musical style was forced and ill-written. Additionally, there's no reason to put it in the first sentence, which is supposed to be as general as possible. If it were to be more specific, there are other genres that would be selected first (alt-rock, alt-country, and so forth.) As Wilco is a Featured Article and is supposed to represent the best of Wikipedia, just shoving in unformated references is not a good idea. I suggest discussing adding such material with the article's primary editor, User:Teemu08. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that Teemu08 controls the article. I'm saying he's worked on it a lot and is quite the expert on Wilco, so it would be prudent to seek his opinion. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Video Arcades

Game features of the 2000s you might want to include: Card readers such as the ones in Maximum Tune 2 and the Initial D series; Dance Dance Revolution dance pads; motion/position sensing such as that in Mocap Boxing in 2001; Flat screen LCD monitors. There isn't much in the 2000s we didn't have in the 1990s. Moving cockpit cabinets such as Sega G-LOC were popular in the 1990s, as well as multiple speakers with subwoofers.----Asher196 (talk) 17:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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Great writing on Hip Hop--but one issue I would appreciate your help on. Hip Hop is supposed to be a brief portal article, and not a clone of Hip Hop History, Hip Hop Culture, etc. A lot of what you added may be better served on the more in-depth component pages. Rather than fill your talk page with the "why," you would probably get more out of checking the protracted discussions (and votes, etc) on the talk pages of Hip Hop Culture, Hip Hop Music, and Hip Hop. Thanks, and again, great writing. -RoBoTam^ice 14:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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Pedal keyboard

Re. your message on my talk page: Sounds good to me. I didn't know that the pedal keyboard really had a great deal of usage differently in jazz than it does in classical music... plays the bass line, etc. Technique, I suppose, is different. I kind of regarded it as those sections on the bottom of Toccata and Fugue in D minor and Organ (music), where people simply list random sightings of the T&F and the organ in popular culture, which is pretty much useless. Two articles doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, as long as there's enough information on both subjects. We should propose it on the WikiProject Pipe Organ pages. —Cor anglais 16 17:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Early naval vessels of New Zealand

Hi Nazamo. Thank you for the excellent structural edits you made on this article – much appreciated --Geronimo20 (talk) 22:56, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Morrissey

Yes, you are right here. I checked it and no source required here. The edit was reverted by McGeddon per WP:TONE. Thanks. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 18:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Uzeb, and other things

I noted your contribution to the Uzeb article. Uzeb is one of my favourite jazz bands. I added to the discography section of the article a key compilation album that I also happen to own. Do you listen to them much? Do you know other bands that make similar jazz music? I read your editing modus operandi on your user page. I like your approach. I, too, persevere to edit the way you do. Here is an A-class article that I have been working on — Ilaiyaraaja. I've had it nominated twice for FA status. No luck. Could you perhaps in your free time have a glance at it? There could be deficiencies in need of fixing that my perhaps subjective eyes are unwilling to pick up. Thanking you, AppleJuggler (talk) 03:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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No problem. I just wasn't sure. Mix^Sup? 22:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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Lust, Caution - your removal of anachronisms section on 26 March

Without being sure that I agree with your premise about the criterion for whether these should be included, do you consider Bryan Appleyard to be a "reputable critic"? If so then I refer you to his blog here: http://www.bryanappleyard.com/blog/2008/01/protocol-problem-and-lust-caution-taxi.php which would seem to meet your criterion. Paul Christensen (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Absent any immediate response I have reinserted the Anachronisms section with additional citations as above. Let's discuss further on Discussion page there if you wish. Paul Christensen (talk) 07:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support!

Thanks for the support. I do look forward to seeing the work on the Canadian blues page... that page has such potential - imagine what it would look like if even one or two editors creating articles on anyone who's ever bobsledded in the Olympics took a day off of that and helped you reference or add material. You could have a comprehensive, fully reference Good Article in less than 24 hours! I guess I laid it out on my talk page, but I think we're doing good on the number of articles... it's time to start fixing up and, if necessary, cleaning out, the ones we've already got.

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Double bass

Your ideas seem good. It's good to have the instrument's nicknames, and I think where they are now is good (though I thought the instrument was sometimes called "doghouse" in addition to "doghouse bass"). The section referring to important repertoire should probably summarize, in prose, the most important composers and works, and a separate article could include more notable works. I started one like this, for example, called List of oboe concertos. Badagnani (talk) 04:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

List of compositions for violin and orchestra is probably a better model. Badagnani (talk) 05:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit counter

This is easy.[5] Also the user profile in "preferences" gives the number of edits. Ty 04:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Natalie Portman

Although I appreciate your attempts at cleaning up the article, I think you are making too many sweeping, unilateral conclusions about what should and should not be in the article. As just one example (which I have restored), the info on Erdos-Bacon number has been discussed on Talk with no consensus to remove it. And bear in mind that your comment "appears to be nonsense??" is your opinion and does not carry enough weight to overturn consensus. You might want to take a look at the talk page before slashing more of the article out. There may be other of your removals that I will restore when I have more time, but for the time being, let me make a polite request that you slow down and consider discussing some of your concerns on the talk page before bulldozing your way through the article any more. Thank you. Ward3001 (talk) 03:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

"Be bold" is fine. Just don't forget a more fundamental Wikipedia policy: consensus. Sometimes it's better to discuss your "bold" ideas on talk before making decisions on your own to make major changes that might be controversial. Ward3001 (talk) 04:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Portman's Erdős–Bacon number

I personally don't see the need to repeat what the reader can find simply by clicking the link to Erdős–Bacon number, and I suspect someone will remove the "gloss" later, but this is not a point that I consider important enough to revert. Ward3001 (talk) 03:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

"could there be cases where the article is licensed to another location, in such a way that the Wikilinks don't work?": Not quite sure I understand your question. A wikilink will always work if it's properly formatted and a target article exists. Maybe you mean an inline external link, such as this one. Those will always work unless the URL changes. Ward3001 (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

"When Wikipedia articles are licensed to other websites (under the GFDL), I was wondering if the licensees always import the wikitext HTML markup, including the Wikilinks. Could it be that in some cases, a Wikipedia article appears just as "text", with inoperative Wikilinks? If this were the case, then it would help to justify adding glosses": Wikipedia's free license allows any website to use it's material. It isn't licensed to any specific websites. And Wikipedia has no responsibilities to other websites that use its materials. So if they copy wikilinks that don't work on their sites, that's their problem, not Wikipedia's. Ward3001 (talk) 23:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Keytar Article

Keytar Article.

Hi, I'm jeffrey abbott and i would like to clarify a few things in regards to your edits. I decided to correspond with you here before attempting to edit the work you did on the article.

First, The information about who owned the first "Moogs" came from, me not only for the Wikipedia article but also for the London Times story which represents the source thats being accepted as fact. It's important i feel to qualify this.

Second The "strap on" keyboard reference you used came from an antiquated story about an instrument that never really came to market. For the record, the Representative for Lag in the U.S. and I had a dialogue about my possible involvement with the instrument and i declined because i thought the design and especially the price point was not realistic.( It WAS an amazing piece of wood!)

I REALLY feel the "strap on reference could and should be removed and replaced with the words " Portable-Keyboard"

Third: This paragraph is VERY important to the article because it helps define the evolution of " Keytar-Keytaring"

"The term “keytar” also refers to the ability to emulate the playing style and sound of an electric or acoustic guitar via a synthesizer, sampler or computer.

I would like it re-introduced to the article.

Fourth: There is musical inaccuracy in this line that i would like to clear up.

A key difference is that toys generally have one- or two-note polyphony,

Fifth: My use of the term "Keytar" and the authenticating of that became an issue back when it was included in the original article. I believe other editors addressed this already and also this fact was again used in the London Times article. I seem to have been the subject of much debate both in this article and the list article for reasons that are beyond my comprehension. As always i can be contacted for clarification questions etc. at keytarjeff@comcast.net

I will make no edits on the Keytar article without your permission/blessing so i can avoid the wrath of editors.. Thanks,jeff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.100.56 (talk) 16:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jeff, When I came to the article, I saw the section on the first owners of the Moogs, and, noting that there was no source, I toned down the claim, by giving less details. If there are details or strong claims, it needs a source. I will check on the London Times story .

You suggest that "strap on" keyboard reference could be replaced with Portable-Keyboard"..that sounds reasonable.

Hi, the SoundonSound paragraph you have is good. Sorry if I removed it. "The term “keytar” also refers to the ability to emulate the playing style and sound of an electric or acoustic guitar via a synthesizer, sampler or computer.

Sorry for introducing an error regarding toys...generally have one- or two-note polyphony.

The authenticating of the term needs to be from a verifiable source, in print.

Regarding "I will make no edits on the Keytar article without your permission/blessing so i can avoid the wrath of editors..", we are all equals (except for the administrators), so I think disputes should be settled based on whose argument has the most merit (based on Wikipedia rules, standard professional researching and editing norms, and so on)OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 17:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC) .................................................................................................................................... Thanks Much for the kind&fair response! I re-introduced on part i thought was important, jeff www.jeffreyabbott.vom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffrey abbott (talk • contribs) 00:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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Poppers edits

Hi OnBeyondZebrax. Thanks for your edits to the poppers article. The reason I'd reverted all of them last night was that I was too tired to go through so many, and the only time the article has seen that many edits at one time has been when vandals have attacked it. In the talk section you'll see that, in the past, when any of us who have spent untold hours trying to build the article into a credible repository of accurate information on poppers have seen such large edits, we've reverted most of them because they almost all were the work of vandals.

Having had time now to go over your many edits, it's refreshing to have such a high quality contributor make needed edits!

Thanks again for your meaningful contribution!

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Distortion

Thanks for your edits to Distortion (guitar) - they're great! Steve Carlson^Talk 04:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Steve, Thank you. I try to work on the lede section of any article I edit. Ideally, the lede should give the basic information AND interest the reader. I find that some lede sections are too "dry" and bare! I have been going through a lot of guitar and music-related articles to clean them up. Guitar and music-related articles are close to a lot of people's hearts, so there tends to be a lot of POV/ OR/ praise, and the words "legendary", "classic", and "greatest" get thrown around way too much. As well, with guitar topics, there is a lot of "a guy at the guitar store told me that..." type legends/rumours/myths that circulate, to the point that people believe them (e.g., on the Jaco Pastorious page, we have had to remove claims that he put chicken grease on the neck of his bass). One issue I wanted to raise with you is how to deal with the problem of duplication in the guitar/effects topic area. There is a "guitar effects" article, an "effects units" article, a "stompbox" article. I think it might be good to merge them all into one BIG effects article, and have the other titles REDIRECT to the main article.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 13:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, there is really no point in there being separate articles for each, and they duplicate a lot of content. I believe the issue has been raised on the talk page of one or more of those articles, so please chime in. Or be bold and just do it! I'm watching those articles too and will help straighten out the mess if you take the plunge. Steve Carlson^Talk 01:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Tense in Led Zep

Thanks for your comment. I think you're right - they were trying to sound like one of those breathless documentaries you get on Discovery!--Whoosher (talk) 18:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Supercouple article

The reason I had previously tweaked your revision of the lead is because a supercouple is not simply a popular couple or a couple that fascinates. I mean, plenty of couples are like that. Any couple would be a supercouple if that were the case. For supercouples, it's about to what degree do they fascinate, which is where the "beyond normal expectations" part comes in. In addition, supercouples are not limited to television characters and celebrities. There are comic book characters who are supercouples, for example. On top of that, super rich couples who fascinate their observers but are not celebrities are sometimes called supercouples, very popular pairings in high school as well. Thus, I changed the first sentence from mentioning any particular type of supercouple and instead noted primetime and celebrity, since it already notes soap opera, and the first sentence can apply to any type.

Your expansion of the lead, I don't feel that it's needed, since it's a condensed copy of the celebrity section. Flyer22 (talk) 20:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

And I do like your new version of the lead. It's just that first sentence that I feel should be changed back, for the reasons I stated above. Or, if not changed exactly back, changed to where it does not mention a specific type of supercouple (after all, the rest of the lead touches on different types of supercouples; the main three types), and to where it specifies something about how the popularity or fascination with them is not the simple popularity or intrigue.

Oh, and forgive my using a subheading for this additional comment, but I'm responding to you this moment through the Playstation 3, which doesn't allow much editing freedom. Flyer22 (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Good cleanup. Your copyediting of this article was/is much needed. It's good to have help in editing it. I like how the lead is now; it's a good compromise.

And any valid sources you can find for more supercouples would also be a great addition to this article, of course. Flyer22 (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Heavy metal fan subculture

I appreciate your work on the creation of a fan subculture section in the Heavy metal music article (It's one thing the article needed but we never got around to). However, there's two problems. One is that that citation style is inconsistent with the rest of the article. This is simple enough to fix; as you cited the Weinstein book (which is cited several times in the article already) it's as simple as copying the footnote style and putting in the proper pages numbers. More problematic is the way you wrote the section. I tried to format the refs properly myself, but found the way the section was written very reminiscent of an academic essay, which made me hestiant to redo the refs since it seemed like some synthesis was going on. I can help you if you need it to rewrite to section. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The problem with the photos is that there are too many and they are messing up the page formatting. WesleyDodds (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

image placement

Hi,

I've noticed you're moving the images around on electric guitar. The MoS specifically says "start an article with a right-aligned lead image", so I've reverted your recent move of the first image down-article. There's no longer anything in the MoS which recommends not starting sections with images, and it makes it easier to locate them when editing than sifting through text for the image code, so it seems better to place them at the top of sections unless there's a specific reason not to. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I see you reverted another image move back to below the accompanying text. Your summary was "add to discussion" - can you explain? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Electronic tuner

Hi there, Just wanted to say a big THANK YOU for all your help editing the article. Looks better! Please pop-back & tighten up once in a while and pass the link on to your friends for them to add to, or correct. While you're there please check out Bongo (antelope) and tell me what you think. Could it go for FA status? Thanks so much again, Black Stripe (talk) 12:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Punk subculture

Responded on my talk page.Spylab (talk) 14:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Scientology: L. Ron Hubbard foremost a 'Science' Fiction writer?

I oppose to your edit and the conclusion you made in the Scientology article. Talk:Scientology, see #5 L. Ron Hubbard: speculative fiction writer or science fiction writer. I made a response and give a link to information. --Olberon (talk) 19:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I copied it to the talkpage in the article. I also did respond to it (please keep your responses there!). --Olberon (talk) 20:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

MDD history section

Hi there. At Talk:Major_depressive_disorder#Treatment_to_new_article, we've agreed that the history section should be somewhat trimmed and moved--however, note the areas we've discussed keeping in the article, e.g., the emphasis on the origins and fate of "melancholia"--and that, because you and User:EverSince have been the main contributors to that section, you two should have dibs when it comes to revising it. EverSince has agreed to work on it, but is waiting to see if you'd like to give any input on the matter. Thanks! Cosmic Latte (talk) 22:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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The reason I have deleted several of the quote marks in the Mod (lifestyle) article is that they weren't really necessary, and made the paragraphs too cluttered for an encyclopedia-style article. Most of the text that I deleted the quotation marks from were just basic statements of fact, and not really the type of unique or profound statement that one would present as a quotation. Many of the phrases were only partial quotes anyway, not the full statement of the author or speaker.Spylab (talk) 01:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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FYI

The article at Desire (emotion) has been restored. --Reinoutr (talk) 09:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Offstage trumpet

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by sources you need to add external verifiable references mate, either links to a website or bibliography esq. sources ... Skitzo (talk) 19:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

it is however policy to use your sandbox to work on articles in order to bring them up to standard before posting them in the main space. Skitzo (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

it doesn't matter how long there are there, only if they meet the standard, as i said it is better for an article like this to use your sandbox until you have it at least to stub standard, look here you'd be amazed how many look like yours did and then never get touched, hence why i used prod instead of speedy delete as that gives you 5 days to improve it, others wouldn't be so generous i'm afraid. Skitzo (talk) 20:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm bored so decided to go on a cull, feel free to remove the tags mate, thats the good thing about the prod AFD, anyone can remove them after improving the article.Skitzo (talk) 20:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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Rock music

Just wanted to say that I thought your edits were generally excellent, though I've had another go at the opening sentence - see what you think. The article needs a lot more work, but I'm happy to collaborate on editing further if you're interested. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your analysis. I think as a start the best approach would be to identify and cite reliable sources for the information set out - starting with the rock music article, and then moving on to the various genres. But what are the most reliable sources? I don't have many encyclopedias of rock music (I do have an old Rolling Stone "History..."). What do you think? What are the best /most objective online sources that give a fair overview? I'll add it to my "to do" list, but personally I need to prioritise in other areas right now. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Bass guitar / Patch cable

In re this, to be honest, when I found those whitepapers, I was stunned at the wealth of information and spammed the links wherever I could think of. The paper gives such a good and accessible explanation, the cable is such an important part of an electric instrument, if I had my druthers, I'd probably put it in all 500 articles. (And I have no clue who the company is, just that they have an excellent article)

I have no problem with you removing the EL - but since that information could be of great interest to someone researching bass guitar (and more particularly, trying to figure out why their guitar sounds like crap) - is there a wiki-link in the article (or a see-also) that will let the player find it? All I care about is that the information can be found. Franamax (talk) 01:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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Way to escalate the conflict

Um... interesting that you immidiatly jump to accusations of ownership and edit waring before even talking to me. Not exactly a friendly or civil way to start a dialogue. I personally prefer bullet points and embedded lists in this instance as opposed to prose, as such lists disseminate the information in a more reader friendly format. I am of course open to any changes if they improve the quality of the article. Just because I may disagree with you and prefer an earlier version does not mean that I am expressing ownership of the article. I suggest that you actually take the time to explain your reasoning behind what you are trying to do and argue for its merits rather than throw a temper tantrum. This is a collaborative encyclopedia after all.Nrswanson (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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Oneiric (film theory)

Hey, I just saw this article for the first time and I wanted to congratulate you on a very interesting topic that has great potential for expansion. I hope you'll return to it. Viriditas (talk) 07:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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Done, thanks--Jac16888^Talk 18:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

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I'm not really sure it's appropriate to go and arbitrarily change the pop culture referencing rules in the WP:GUNS, especially without discussion and when you're not a prolific or "recognised" editor on the subject. There's a difference between "Being Bold" and "Completely Ignoring Or Deciding You Know Better Than The Project Task Force". I'm not saying I disagree with your changes, but I don't think it's appropriate for you to make them without reference to the people who put a lot of time and effort into the articles and the relevant task force(s). Commander Zulu (talk) 12:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Commander Zulu is right. What you did wasn't being bold, it was a decision to go against consensus that had previously been established. If you think they need to be changed, come to WT:GUNS and discuss it. You would never try to change a Wikipedia policy or guideline, so let's not try it with Wikiproject policies. If the consensus to change exists, we will discuss with the others how it should read, and I will implement the changes myself.--LWF (talk) 16:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hi, I noticed you've been editing Bass guitar recently so figured you may have more knowledge than I do on this field. There's an ongoing dispute here: here with both editors saying each other have a conflict of interest over who made the first extended-range bass. I'd be grateful if you could perhaps take a look and add your thoughts. Thanks a lot Smartse (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

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Bass effects

Hi there, saw your note in the edit notes of effects unit, which I assume is directed at me. I thought I'd reply. Although I'm most interested in a good encyclopedia, and not as much about people's feelings, I do feel bad when it seems that I've offended someone. I looked through the history and see you contributed a lot to the bass effects article, so I apologize if it seemed I was being rude about the content. Just so you know, I'm a bass player of 10 years and I build effects for a living, so I'm not down on the subject. It's just that, as a matter of course, any effect can be a bass effect, and the vast majority of that page consisted of things like "bass delay - this is a delay pedal", "bass octave - this is an octave pedal for bass", which really doesn't illuminate anything, it really is just the same as all the other effects pages I merged, but with the word bass attached. That's not bad writing, it's just how it would have to be. Many effects are marketed towards bassists, but the majority are not significantly different from general effects to warrant a whole other page. I do this for a living and a passion, but in my opinion Wikipedia's not the place for endlessly splintering topics into tinier subcategories.

So I guess the point is that I wasn't insulting the writing on the bass effects article, it was absolutely as good as it could be. It was the subject that wasn't notable, and you didn't create it, so it wasn't in any way a dig at you.

In case we run into each other again while working on WP, I just want to apologize for my sometimes terse language, which can come off the wrong way, and extend a handshake. Conical Johnson (talk) 08:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey, if you want to make a contrast between simple and complex distortion boxes, I used to own a much more knobby box than the Tonebone:

http://www.4mspedals.com/swash/swashfuzzbe.jpg

It's made by 4msPedals, and they took the picture, so you'd have to contact them for permission to upload the picture to WP, but it certainly makes for a more extreme comparison. The guy at 4ms is named Dann Green (2 N's in Dann is correct, not a typo) and he's a cool guy and would probably be fine with it if you contacted him to ask.

I've made a comment on Talk:Effects unit regarding the serious need for references, was hoping you'd take a look since you're the major editor on this article right now. Thanks Conical Johnson (talk) 18:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I notice you reverted the bit about portamento on defretter effects. Care to cite a source on this one? Conical Johnson (talk) 18:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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Essays

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Pro sound articles

Thanks for kicking some ass in the pro sound articles—they really needed a vigorous cleaning. Nice to see somebody else at Wikipedia knows about Bassmaxx, EAW, Meyer, towel bars, etc. Binksternet (talk) 16:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Citation Overkill

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Barnstar

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Some suggestions about your changes to article leads

OnBeyondZebrax, thank you very much for all the work you do to improve article leads. I looked at a bunch of your lead work from your User Contributions page. I saw that lots of your edits improved articles:

• making bio leads provide a much broader overview of the subject,

• and making other leads much more useful, by making them include more information.

Some tips:

• As George Orwell said, I think near the end of "Politics and the English Language": Whenever you can leave a word out, leave it out. Whenever you can use a shorter word, do. This makes writing easier to read. For example, in an edit you made to Ghostwriter I would have written "other fields" instead of "fields outside non-fiction and fiction publishing".

• Please put a space after every period or comma, as any grammar textbook will tell you.  :) It looks more professional. You can see an example of a missing space in an edit you made to Ghostwriter.

• General rule: please don't merge later sections into leads, as you did in an edit you made to Shill. It's easy enough for readers to scroll down and see the next section. Perhaps you can make an exception to this general rule when the lead is way too short, but even then I'm not sure it's worthwhile. "Etymology" sections are especially unimportant to some readers; leaving them as separate sections makes it easier to skip them.

• Please think twice before you merge many small paragraphs into one. For example, in a series of edits you made to Segregated cycle facilities, you merged the definitions of Cycleway, Cycle track / cycle path, and Cycle lane all into one paragraph. This makes it a little harder to read them.  :)

But these are small niggles. Please keep up the good work on improving Wikipedia's article leads.

P.S. I'm not yet so great at giving feedback. I would appreciate if you'd give feedback on my feedback. Was I too harsh? Too polite? Was my positive-feedback section too short, considering the length of my negative-feedback section? Could I have given one more negative feedback without it being too much? Was my feedback perhaps (unintentionally) slightly hurtful? Did my feedback make you angry? Unhappy? Happy? Did I use the right number of emoticons? Please let me know on my talk page.

Cheers, --unforgettableid | talk 17:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate your suggestion about being more concise. I agree with the example from the Ghostwriting article. The comment about the missing space in the Ghostwriting article I found patronizing. It was a minor typo in a contribution that otherwise--I think--was fairly helpful (adding a longer lede). I suppose it is a matter of personal editing style; you perhaps view it as an "unfinished edit" or carelessness. I don't agree with your statement that you cannot merge sections. Wikipedia has a tendency to have too many headings. Look at an Encyclopedia Brittannica article for a topic, and then look at the Wikipedia equivalent. In some cases where Brittanica will have two headings for an entire article, a Wikipedia has a new heading for every paragraph. Your statement that a person should not merge sections makes it sound as if by putting something in a heading, it is then "protected" against being merged. I don't agree that one or two sentences should have a separate section heading. Starting with positive statements was a good idea...too often people focus on the negative elements. The emoticons are friendly. ThanksOnBeyondZebrax (talk) 05:42, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the contribution to Ghostwriting was very helpful. It just would have been even better if you added that extra space after the period. On a related note, I forgot to mention: it also would have been even better if you added some footnotes to support your words. Your words seem true to me, but Wikipedia likes footnotes. :)

I don't know why Britannica uses fewer headings than Wikipedia. Paper costs money. But IMO in an encyclopedia made mainly for online reading, pixels are free, and so it's good to have lots of headings. They let people look at the table of contents then click straight through to what they want. Also, I still maintain that, when reading the article, people might want to skip reading the part about etymology. Headings make that easier. Just because Britannica does something doesn't make it right.

Thanks again for the work on Wikipedia that you do. Also, thank you for listening and for your feedback on my feedback. :)

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Recent addition to Heavy metal music

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Thanks for your comment. Complete deletion? I don't think so! I did, after extendng the first part of the article, remove a lot of unencylopaedic waffle. You have replaced that with solid work and have greatly improved the article - for which thanks again - in areas which I am not competent to handle. But there is no need, because you don't agree with my edits, to attack me. If you bother~ to look at my record, you will see that I completely share your aim of expanding information on WP - perhaps where we differ is as to the roemoval of non-information - Best regards, --Smerus (talk) 05:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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and careful on your wordy Filmography notes Lead is fine--intelati 23:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

you some how broke the "soldiers" row?--intelati 00:00, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

It's acctually still broken somehow--intelati 00:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Got it you forgot (deleted) the "|-|rowspan=2" tag. nice working with you. :) --intelati 00:09, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

the "rowspan" makes the movies for the year line up.--intelati 00:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

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Hi OnBeyondZebrax, I saw that you were a significant contributor to French classical music, so you might be interested in a classical music edit-a-thon organised for 8-14 October, to coincide with the Australian ABC Classic FM radio countdown themed Music of France.. There will also be a meetup in Sydney, so we are using Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney/October 2012 as our main collaboration page. I hope you'll be able to join us, either in person or online. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 05:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I cut and pasted from a Wikipedia article Błyskawica submachine gun, so the Wikipedia article itself must be infringing on copyright.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 17:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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I've reversed your reversal, but I'll grant you the last word if you insist on putting "see picture, below" back in.

I only removed the text. You'll note that all pictures remain intact.

I did this because phrases like "see picture, below" are rarely corrected when, inevitably, either the body of text moves, or the picture moves or is deleted. It's simply not a wise phrase to have in the text.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Scotty Anderson (guitarist)

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Signal flare

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This [6] edit was a little bit disingenuous, if you look at all the other characters their races are mentioned in the sentence (emphasis mine);

notably the hobbits Frodo Baggins, Samwise "Sam" Gamgee, Meriadoc "Merry" Brandybuck and Peregrin "Pippin" Took, but also the hobbits' chief allies and travelling companions: Aragorn, a Human Ranger; Boromir, a man from Gondor; Gimli, a Dwarf warrior; Legolas, an Elven prince; and Gandalf, a Wizard.

To just refer to Boromir as a 'captain of Gondor' removes any reference to his race. GimliDotNet ^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 06:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

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Do you happen to be a tipped employee and sympathize with tip recipients?

Do you represent the viewpoints of tipped employees as a tipped employee, or are you a business owner, or neither? I am neither. As you can see, either of these two groups would likely have trouble editing with total impartiality.

Please have a look at WP:IMPARTIAL again. The quotation you used are highly contentious. "The tone of Wikipedia articles should be impartial, neither endorsing nor rejecting a particular point of view. Try not to quote directly from participants engaged in a heated dispute; instead, summarize and present the arguments in an impartial tone." Changing the section title to "issues" and blasting off with concerns from viewpoints of servers is also highly contentious and the excess and prominent coverage presents undue showcasing of one side of view. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 08:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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"Quality" Sources

The source is not quality, she clearly doesn't understand Tolkien (note the spelling, it's Tolkien, not Tolkein). For one she insinuates that Sam and Frodo maybe lovers, this alone tells you she is not a reliable source when it comes to understanding of Tolkien's work. It seems that you're pushing for it's inclusion because it's new, not for any specific reason. GimliDotNet ^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 18:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the misspelling. I have some type of dyslexia regarding "ie" and "ei". I am pushing for inclusion because in my country The Walrus is viewed as a Canadian equivalent to Harpers. It is a notable, reliable source, and I am not including any of Ms. Landau's controversial views, merely her general comments on Tolkien and LOTR. I challenge you to cite a Wikipedia policy which makes Ms. Landau's review unacceptable.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 22:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Please keep the discussion at Talk:The Lord of the Rings GimliDotNet ^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 05:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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After reading the dispatches, I see how unacceptable my harm OCD article is. I began it in good faith, hoping to find some reliable sources, but I see now I should have looked for reliable sources before creating the article. OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 23:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi-Ya ! You're source of "metal" on the Hardcore Punk page is PERFECT. Totally Reads True. Thats how a person knows its great. It Rings True. Nice Job !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.201.63 (talk) 02:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

OK about.com is not a real strong source but the wording was pretty much right on. Hope there can be a reference to that. Didn't know it was removed. 76.117.201.63 (talk) 02:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

ps "great" job adding a commercial attribute to a genre that originated in the underground. WAY TO GO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.201.63 (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. Please do not add uncited information or speculation to articles, as you did to the passages on Charlotte Dawson, Vince Foster and Clodius Albinus with your edits to the List of suicides article here and here. As you should know by now, having been editing here since 2006, material added to articles must be supported by inline citations of reliable sources, especially in matters that may be contentious or controversial. If there are sources for these claims in the individual articles on these people, then please add them to the list article. There was a discussion in early 2010 that determined that the list article needs citations for its info. I looked in the Vince Foster article and all indications are that he committed suicide, with no indication or cited sources for murder.

Also, material supported by a given citation, and punctuation, must go before the citation, not after it, per WP:PAIC.

Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, again.

I appreciate all the work you're doing to shore up the missing causes of death in the List of suicides article. The cite you added for Jan Potocki, for example, was a useful addition, as the cite already in the article did not support the info, and the passage mentioning his death in his article was unsourced. (I added that source you provided to the Potocki article). However, if you're going to add material, please make sure it conforms to the format in which the article is already written. If you look at the entries, you'll see that each one is formatted as "Name (year of death), description of notability, method of suicide". Adding "Bendjelloul committed suicide on 12 May 2014 by jumping in front of a fast-moving metro train after struggling with depression, as reported by his brother, Johar" or "Police reported on May 22, 2011, that a friend found Brooks dead in his Upper East Side apartment..." represents an unnecessary level of detail and format inconsistent with the other entries, which makes the article look poorly-written.

In addition, if a source is merely cited as an inline citation, then there is no need to use phrases like "the same source". Merely add the information to the passage supported by that source. There is no need to write out a citation twice (see WP:OVERCITE), since you can just add all the supported info before that one citation, per WP:PAIC. And in instances where you do need to cite a source more than once in an article, you don't have to write it out entirely; you can simply use the ref name tag.

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• Sentences end in punctuation (see your edit to Penelope Delta), and are separated by a space (your edits to Malik Bendjelloul, Joseph Brooks and Johannes Vare).
• In the passage for Johannes Vare, you wrote, "He died by firearms". How many firearms did he use?
• The citation that was already given for Charlotte Dawson's suicide already indicated the method. While there is nothing wrong per se with adding another citation, all you had to do was add ", hanging" to the passage before the first citation.
• The source you added for Tobi Wong does not mention Wong, but someone named Phyllis Hyman. In addition, it merely mentions that her death was a possible suicide, and not that a coroner made a determination of that cause.

Thanks again. Nightscream (talk) 00:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Can you please stop violating the format of the List of suicides article with your additions? Thank you. Nightscream (talk) 23:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Are you referring to my last message, or the ones before that in general? Nightscream (talk) 03:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

::the last addition had a citation error but it was constructive, because the entry on Atchison did not list the cause of death(hanging). You improved the reference, which was helpful, but you also redacted the cause of death.04:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)+

OnBeyondZebrax, why are you continuing to violate the format of the article with additions of poorly-written detail bloat? Haven't we discussed this at length already? Not only are you adding details that are not necessary in this article, and which are better suited to the individual articles of each person, but you're creating grammatically incoherent passages as well.

In the first place, why are you adding these passages right after the citation for the suicide, without a space in between the two? In the second place, why are you adding what appear to be full sentences without capitalizing the first letter? This is what one of your sentences looks like:

Jeremy Michael Boorda (1996), Chief of Naval Operations, US Navy, shot in chest,[82]he was reported to have been distraught over a news media investigation into whether he had the right to wear two Combat Distinguishing Devices on his uniform, indicating valor in combat. [83]

Don't you see that the first passage is not a full sentence, which is why it didn't end in a period or other punctuation mark? Why did you add a comma to the end of it, and then a new sentence after that citation, without a space, and a lowercase letter on the word "he"? Is that how you write sentences? Don't you preview your edits? Don't you check the article after you save it?

I've been trying to communicate with you over this for months now, often explaining what is wrong with these edits, and you don't seem to respond except by saying, "What did I do wrong?", and then go right back to doing it. Can you please stop? Or do have to alert an administrator to your conduct? Nightscream (talk) 20:27, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I am trying to add the rationale for the suicides. This had already been done before I edited this page. I will use correct grammar in the future.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 20:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

On my talk page you wrote: The list of suicides have an unusual format. There are several elements, separated by commas, sometimes using a period at the end. Your previous note to me was negative. You don't seem to notice I am trying to improve the list article. In some cases, rationales are given for the suicides, dating to before I started editing the page. I think that this is a good idea.OnBeyondZebrax 20:41, 12 November 2014

My previous note to you was critical, and justifiably so. You have spent months adding incoherently-written detail bloat to the article, and continued to do so, without communicating with me, despite my attempts to discuss it with you, and in far more polite terms above, which you can see if you read my messages to you from August. If my last message was a bit more "negative", it's because the most "positive" messages haven't had any effect on you.

All editors try to improve articles. So what? That does not mean that you have license to malform articles with bad writing or detail bloat. Did I not praise you for the positive aspects of your edits in the first two sentences of my August 13 message above, in order to make it seem a bit more balanced, and that I wasn't just trying to come down no you too harshly? Indeed I did. Did that have any effect on your edits? Apparently not.

The list of suicides articles do not have an "unusual format", nor does it have any format that justifies your edits. Rationales for the suicides should be placed in the articles of the individual persons, and not in the list article, which should just list the person, year of death, notability, method of suicide, and supporting citation, and it has been thus for years, for as long as I've been editing the article. If you disagree, then we can have a discussion on the article's talk page, and perhaps come to some consensus about this. Do you want to do that? Nightscream (talk) 20:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

On my talk page you wrote:

I have started a discussion on the List of suicides talk page. Without the rationale, the reader doesn't know why these notable, successful people are killing themselves. Take the Navy officer for an example. He was distraught over having his medals questioned. OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2014

The reader does not need to know the rationale in the list article. They can go to the person's article, which is where more detailed information on a given person is supposed to be given. Placing it in the list article will cause it to bloat. Nightscream (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I think the reason a man kills himself over is as important as the method. In many cases, a few words will suffice (e.g., financial problems, cancer diagnosis, depression). We can discuss this at the List of suicides talk page. I look forward to a WP:NICE discussion.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 22:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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