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Ray Sprigle, John Wesley Dobbs citations

Hi Fred -- I see you reverted my edit of the Ray Sprigle citation -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Sprigle

I hope it was because I screwed up the code when I added my book title to the page and not because you don't think my book should be referenced there.

My name is Bill Steigerwald. Virtually everything on the Sprigle page is a result of my journalism in 1998 (when I wrote the Post-Gazette article) and my 2017 book, '30 Days a Black Man,' which is the most thorough account of Sprigle's life and especially his 1948 mission into the Jim Crow South. '30 Days' deserves to be referenced in a prominent way, whether as a "works" item or in a sentence explaining that '30 Days a Black Man' (Lyons Press, 2017) is a history book that goes into great detail about Sprigle's Southern trip and its impact on the entire country. Also, I didn't edit it in, but Sprigle's original newspaper series -- all 21 parts -- is reprinted in my Kindle book 'Undercover in the Land of Jim Crow.' Sprigle's series, because of mistakes make by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in not protecting its copyright, is in the public domain, which is why I was able to reprint it. (the 'Race Beat' book, by the way, contains only a few underwhelming paragraphs about Sprigle's pioneering 1948 journalism mission.)

To acquaint yourself with both my book and Sprigle series, please go to https://clips.substack.com/p/exposing-old-jim-crow-1948

Needless to say, I spent a lot of time and energy researching my Sprigle book and the previous Sprigle articles. If it weren't for me, Sprigle's mission would still be lost to history. I'm an ex-newspaperman with thousands of articles and commentaries under my byline 'Bill Steigerwald.' I trust you would agree that I should get the credit I deserve for what I did to publicize Sprigle's forgotten career and 1948 exploits.

Thanks very much

[1]

If there is anything you'd like me to do to help improve the Sprigle citation, or the John Wesley Dobbs citation, just ask. Plus there is artwork (photos) of Sprigle that are also in the public domain that you could insert. (They can be seen at my substack site.)

Xpaperboy (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Bill Steigerwald

References

  1. ^ https://clips.substack.com/p/exposing-old-jim-crow-1948
@Xpaperboy: It was removed because it was not a work by Sprigle. That's the primary reason for removal: it's inappropriately placed. The secondary reason is that it's your book, so there's the element of promotion involved in including it. —C.Fred (talk) 14:56, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
That said, after looking at information about the book, I've added it underneath References to a Further reading subsection. —C.Fred (talk) 15:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Fred. Wiki seems to be seeking art/photos, and as I said, I have photos of Sprigle and his article on the page of the Pittsburgh Courier that could be added to the citation. Just ask.... Xpaperboy (talk) 15:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

eric feichthaler page

I apologize for not being very good at this. I have time over the next month to complete and resubmit the Eric Feichthaler page if it is restored. Covid causes constant pivots in my life this past year, and I was unable to be as diligent in completing this page as I had hoped. Thank you! @Wombles7 2601:6C4:4003:3BB0:598A:78F4:900F:2C76 (talk) 02:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Lisa Whelchel photo edit

Hi, Lisa asked me to change the picture that you or someone posted. It appears to be a screen capture from a radio interview that is on YouTube. She wants to put a more current picture. Why is this an issue? That is the picture that she, herself prefers. I am not trying to be contentious, and I do not know much about editing on Wikipedia. Please let me know. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymouscinderella (talk • contribs) 03:28, 25 Aug 2021 (UTC)

@Anonymouscinderella: We do not remove content from the article at the subject's request. If she would rather have a more current picture posted, she can either post a picture on her website and note that it's under a free license (Creative Commons or public domain), or she can email Wikimedia Commons with the new photo and a statement about its donation.
Further, because you have a conflict of interest, you should not be editing Whelchel's article directly. This includes your removal of sourced material about her religious beliefs. —C.Fred (talk) 10:48, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Damour Vocal Band

Hi dear friend. You wrote on my page, let me know if you need help. I ask you to help me write the article of an Iranian band that has been approved in Persian on Wikipedia. I did this but unfortunately a user deleted my page without warning. I ask you to help. ThankfulFkhdanesh (talk) 22:15, 25 August 2021 (UTC) Persian wiki: https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%AF%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%87_%D8%A2%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B2%DB%8C_%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B1 Deleted page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Damour_Vocal_Band

@Fkhdanesh: The page would need completely rewritten. The text that was in the draft was copied wholesale from a website. On the one hand, the website is yours, so you could donate the material. On the other, the tone of the material is also unacceptable. It also raises the question of whether you have been paid to create the article. —C.Fred (talk) 01:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Faraz Khosravi Danesh

My dear friend, I would like to know your opinion about creating this page, and if there is a problem, help me to complete the article. ThanksFkhdanesh (talk) 22:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fkhdanesh: Don't. It is a very bad idea to try to create an article about yourself. —C.Fred (talk) 01:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Bryce Lyon

Thank you. I thought the article was in my sandbox! Delyon

@Delyon: Just because it's in your sandbox doesn't mean others can't help with it! I thought you might like a few pointers.
Also, wherever possible, find secondary sources to support the material in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 20:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

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Chris Britton (The Troggs)

Out of curiosity, do the other Troggs members also fail notability? Last week, you redirected Chris Britton's article, but all his bandmates still have standalone pages. (Reg Presley, Ronnie Bond and Pete Staples). — Okonomiyaki39 (talk) 01:36, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

@Okonomiyaki39: Staples might fail; the other two are notable. —C.Fred (talk) 01:54, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Aaliyah’s first week’s sales numbers

How can you incorrectly attribute her sales numbers to a chart with only positions and no data regarding Nielsen numbers? The reference has been adjusted to properly source those numbers… and you’ve been here for 15 years…

WolfSpear04 (talk) 15:01, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

@WolfSpear04: Exactly: I trusted a site with a number over a chart with none. However, given a choice between SS Music and Billboard, I'd trust Billboard. Have you got a page number for the sales figure? —C.Fred (talk) 15:09, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, page 97 under “Between The Bullets”. My apologies for coming up hot, but I would suggest American Radio History as a good reference point for sales numbers as the actual magazines have been preserved.

Have a good week. WolfSpear04 (talk) 15:13, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

@WolfSpear04: That is a good resource for future searches. Thank you for pointing it out. I've removed SS Music entirely, because I have questions about its reliability. —C.Fred (talk) 15:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

I believe I did file a COI about the article. I wrote it in a neutral and fair way that included relevant facts about the election and the nature of the campaign. Jhooper01 (talk) 03:15, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@Jhooper01: There's no declaration on the article's talk page, and the one on your user page isn't completely transparent. —C.Fred (talk) 17:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Aakhand Bharat

Hey, have you check my new edit. Isn't there any mistake now. Do Everything is alright dude??? Prince.Hanzra (talk) 13:05, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Prince.Hanzra, Akhand Bharat is not the same thing as the Indosphere, Greater India, or Ancient India. There are separate articles for those on Wikipedia. The popular conception of Akhand Bharat is the adjoining countries of the modern Republic of India. You can read about it in citations like this one.[1] It says "RSS’s idea of “Akhand Bharat” includes not only Pakistan and Bangladesh, but also Afghanistan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Tibet." Indonesia, Cambodia, etc. are not included in the definition. LearnIndology (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

The yeet vandal

Hi C.Fred, I saw that you just blocked the IP user attacking the pages such as yeet and log. You may also want to block the account YeetusMcleetusLol... it's the same user. Helen(💬📖) 02:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

@HelenDegenerate: Said user has been blocked. Or to borrow a term from my gaming heyday, connection closed by foreign host. :) —C.Fred (talk) 03:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Good luck

Good luck here and thanks for doing that. I've given up for the moment but of course will "vote" if it comes to that. I think I have stopped writing words about it, for now anyway. It's just too much. Cheers DBaK (talk) 07:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hailey Bieber

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/hailey-baldwin-steals-the-show-in-a-sheer-pink-dress-silky-pumps-at-2021-mtv-vmas/ar-AAOohNT?ocid=msedgntp thumb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.120.72 (talk) 00:44, 14 Sep 2021 (UTC)

That image cannot be used, because it's copyrighted. —C.Fred (talk) 01:49, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Prove that it has a copyright because I dont see one.-Aunt Betty — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.120.72 (talk) 17:09, 19 Sep 2021 (UTC)
The text right under the image says "© Courtesy of MTV". Further, the burden is on the user of an image to prove the image is free. Copyright—and an all-rights-reserved license—is assumed if there is not a clear license statement. —C.Fred (talk) 20:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and information.

Sonofmc (talk) 13:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Totally Uncalled For

I understand you're trying to uphold standards but those users are clearly removing anything that could be percieved as negative from the pages. One of them even directly created the company wiki entry for the company in question. I will now provide references to the assertions that are self-evident, so you don't continue to say it's synthesis. Sonofmc (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Asbestos

Why you remove my asbestos edit. Asbestos is a serious problem at the high school. Just thios year a teacher got mesothelioma and almost died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AsbestosMoscow (talk • contribs) 20:02, 24 Sep 2021 (UTC)

@AsbestosMoscow: Without sources, I will assume you are continuing on with the shenanigans that got 64.126.141.208 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) blocked. —C.Fred (talk) 20:04, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for not giving source for modeling at Jannat Zubair Rahmani but she does modeling shoots. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 21:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी: Doing modeling shoots does not inherently mean she is a professional model. —C.Fred (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

List of WarnerMedia television programs

You know Warner Bros. Television right, animated shows are not produced by them and I added the missing date for No Tomorrow. 85.255.234.124 (talk) 18:30, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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attack?

He attacked me first claiming I am the BLP subject (and not acting in good faith) or did you not see that? Signed an unimportant ip address2600:1700:7610:41E0:3906:991:26D:D11D (talk) 19:42, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

His conduct is not an excuse for you to commit misconduct. —C.Fred (talk) 20:03, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Charlie Oatway

Hi C.Fred 85.255.233.58 continues to add unsourced names to the article. The disruption looks to have started back in September. Could you block or page protect as you feel appropriate? Thanks 89.241.33.89 (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I took a look at the article, and the name is currently correct. —C.Fred (talk) 15:44, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

TeenNick page editor

The user's IP address was shown in the logs for editing the page, and it matches the previous edits. It's 174.216.106.21. BrickMaster02 (talk) 19:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Pronoun Consensus

Hi C.Fred -- I noticed you responded to the edit request on Halsey (singer) when someone requested to update the pronouns: Talk:Halsey_(singer)/Archive_1#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2021

Not done: Please get consensus for this change before proposing it. Current consensus is that, given the choice, Wikipedia is using she/her pronouns throughout the article. —C.Fred (talk) 00:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Could you point me to where this consensus was drawn? My assumption is that it didn't happen in the Halsey talk page, as I can't find any discussion there -- but maybe I'm missing something? Thank you! SiliconRed (talk) 23:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Siliconred: See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography/2021 archive#She/they pronouns. —C.Fred (talk) 01:01, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Brilliant, thank you! SiliconRed (talk) 01:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Request for protect and hide edit of my user account

I am getting threats from some unknowns ip and these ip is treating to delete my all edits and also said they will recruit the hackers to block my account. Futhermore this is same guy which I had reported. Now I am requesting you to protect my user page to semi protection and hide my history so new users can't see and spoil my work and time.

Thank you Vikassharmasafidon (talk) 10:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Vikassharmasafidon: It's not possible to hide your history due to licensing requirements. We can semi-protect your talk page; I'll look into that momentarily.
If you're sure it's the same person who was blocked, you may file a report at WP:SSP. —C.Fred (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, he is the same person he. For more details you can visit my user talk history i have deleted his messages from my talk page. Vikassharmasafidon (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Vikassharmasafidon: It looks like your talk page is already semi-protected. I've also added a few pages you've edited to my watchlist so that if there is any vandalism, I'll notice it and can address it, if another admin doesn't get to it first. —C.Fred (talk) 18:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah sure and my talk page is semi-protected for week. Thank you so much for your help. Vikassharmasafidon (talk) 18:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi C.Fred

Hi C.Fred Sebastian Roché here. Hope this finds you well. I posted a message on why someone keeps changing my info and nationality. I was born in France but have always had dual nationality: British(Scottish) and French and bilingual in both and have been living and working in the States since 1992. By posting that i am a french actor, and only french, it could imply that i am not english speaking and could be detrimental to my getting work in Film and Tv. That is the reason i keep changing it. I don't know why someone keeps changing it to French, it is not the correct info. Also , i have a question, who could be better in updating one's own wikipedia page than the subject himself? Thank you, hopefully this answers your questions. Is there any way to prove that i am in fact Sebastian Roché? Best Sebastian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avoman (talk • contribs) 23:19, 17 Oct 2021 (UTC)

@Avoman: There is no evidence provided in the article of dual nationality. If there is a published document showing dual nationality, we can evaluate that as a source.
As for proving that you are Roché, you could contact the Volunteer Response Team via email. Please note that if they verify your identity, it does not give you carte blanche to change you article. The conflict of interest policy is clear that subjects should not edit articles about themselves. —C.Fred (talk) 23:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

C.Fred I hold a British and French passport, that is enough proof of my dual nationality, i'd also like to know how someone such as yourself has any right to change my bio. Stop adding Charles Edward to my name, these are my middle names that i never use. Check my twitter page also, it is @sebroche. I will ask the powers that be to get you off my page. I do not like this type of bullying. You keep correcting info that is incorrect and have no proof or source in changing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avoman (talk • contribs) 23:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

@Avoman: Passports are not proof of dual nationality, since they are not published documents. As for what right I have to change your bio? I am an experienced Wikipedia editor who is familiar with policy, including WP:RS and WP:COI.
If you prefer, I can just refer your conduct to the conflict of interest noticeboard. —C.Fred (talk) 23:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Can you then please add British or Scottish and French actor to the bio? It's accurate and not asking for much. If not where can i contact the powers that be to complain about the problem and remove you from administering my page? thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avoman (talk • contribs) 23:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021

Blue warning icon Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Talk:War Games. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to lose their editing privileges on that page. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to result in loss of your editing privileges.

It is not sci-fi. Until today it was never classified as sci-fi, and was never in the sci-fi project. Picard's Facepalm (talk) 23:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

@Picard's Facepalm: Thank you for pointing out that it was recently added to that genre. I've started talk page discussion accordingly. My apologies for assuming you were removing a long-standing genre. —C.Fred (talk) 23:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, will look at it there.Picard's Facepalm (talk) 23:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

2022 Winter Olympics Closing Ceremony

Why Did you Redirect the Article For 4 months is not too soon 98.186.54.177 (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

It's too soon when there are no reliable sources for the article. —C.Fred (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I tried to make a reference for the article but you redirect it but i keep having bad luck with redirects. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 15:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

What's the reference? And really, there should be more than one, but one is a starting point. —C.Fred (talk) 17:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Apoligize to you

I'm sorry C.Fred for being a little harsh about the article but another Wikipedia pal SpinnerLazersthe2nd Started the article. But SpinnerLazersthe2nd is your good friend fellow wikipedian. And You Have a Very Nice Day. Have A Happy Halloween A Happy Thanksgiving A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Thanks. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 19:29, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I am trying to standardize a format for all the "Notable People" pages. I've done this hundreds and hundreds of times. Please tell me where there is a standard for that section of the segments for towns and cities "Notable People" sections and I will follow the correct format. Thanks. Better late than never! Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 02:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: The MOS is the WP:Manual of Style. In particular, MOS:BIRTHDATE specifies that b. and d. are not used in a range of dates for a person's life. —C.Fred (talk) 02:11, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, but the "b" and "d" lacking is mainly for articles. I wasn't editing articles, but just a subsection or LIST of persons (which is a place where the "b" and "d" is considered acceptable). See this portion of the MOS:BIRTHDATE that you cited, "Abbreviations like b. and d. can be used, if needed, when space is limited (e.g., in a table) and when used repetitively (e.g., in a list of people)." If you concur, I will revert the revert that you did, but I'd like for you to concur first. Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 02:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
@Th78blue: I don't see anything in MOS:BIRTHDATE that says to use "b" and "d" when both dates are present. Only for a living person (where there is no death date) or a person whose death date, but not birth date, is known would we need "b" or "d", respectively. —C.Fred (talk) 02:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
The way that I am reading this is as follows, "Abbreviations like b. andItalic text d. can be used (meaning the option for both—and—can be used, if needed —>), if needed (if needed being when...—>), when space is limitedItalic text (e.g., in a table) and when used repetitively (e.g., in a list of peopleBold text). A list of people is precisely where I am using this. Both dates are present for the "Notable people" blurbs which are far more abbreviated (limited space) than a full article. When there is a living person, I have been using just the "b." and then an M dash.

Such as,

John Doe (b.1960—) artist, doctor, lawyer

Again, I don't believe it is saying TO use this format or NOT, but that it CAN be used, and not for articles or the lead sentence or infobox, but just for something such as this "Notable people" sections that I've been putting a lot of work in on many different towns and cities from all over the globe until they are all on one format. Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 02:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@C.Fred: I will be going to bed soon, but this is part of a much bigger ongoing project that I'm working on. Happy to hear your input though, I didn't want to revert your revert without first discussing this to conclusion. Much thanks. Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 02:58, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Only one of the links mentioned a book that could be bought (as do other Wikipedia pages that list books), but the rest of the links were free further reading online, which only promote the subject of the Sacred Heart. Here's one sample, which at least you can read, even if you won't let anyone else see these very appropriate and relevant links:

"Jesus knew and loved us each and all during his life, his agony and his Passion, and gave himself up for each one of us: "The Son of God. . . loved me and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20). He has loved us all with a human heart. For this reason, the Sacred Heart of Jesus, pierced by our sins and for our salvation, (Jn 19:34) "is quite rightly considered the chief sign and symbol of that. . . love with which the divine Redeemer continually loves the eternal Father and all human beings" without exception. (Pius XII, encyclical, Haurietis aquas (1956)." [Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd ed. "The heart of the Incarnate Word," par. 478. http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p122a3p1.htm#478] Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021 (talk) 20:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Antonio McKee

Hi there! I see you previously voted against the deletion of Antonio McKee's page. The page is one again unfairly nominated for deletion and I would appreciate another vote against the proposed deletion if you have any time at all. Thank you User talk:16derria — Preceding undated comment added 01:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Herman Gilis

The deletion of that article i find a bit ridiculous tbh. With the others i have no issue, but that one? The guy is an actor, who is quite known in Europe and won a Louis d'Or prize back in 97'. Idk maybe americans dont mind european basic culture that much? If you go into the page for the prize he even has his name with a red link that leads nowhere, as if wikipedia expects an article to eventually be made about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joaquin89uy (talk • contribs) 01:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Joaquin89uy: The article neither linked to the Louis d'Or award (it linked to an old coin) nor provided a reference for the award. —C.Fred (talk) 02:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Ah, ok, im sorry about that. I linked the wrong page, thats all. Im trying to cover some important cultural european people over here and its getting a bit hard, but ill try and mantain a positive outlook. Joaquin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joaquin89uy (talk • contribs) 02:24, 26 Oct 2021 (UTC)

Herman Gillis (Sherman)

This I wrote yesterday. Now article is gone. But still.

"This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance (if it's ever created again and respecting the obvious rules), because the man in question has multiple articles referencing him and linking to him.

He is a founder of the massive pre-Eurodance, EBM, New Beat genres that blew up accross Europe in the early 90s, to the point that new laws had to be put in place accross Europe or even have laws infringed, to get to stop the social and cultural mania that ensued. He has articles referencing him, waiting with a red colour to be linked. He is also referenced in the Morton Sherman Bellucci article. I get that you guys are seemingly anti-foreign, but cut me some slack here." --Joaquin89uy.

@Joaquin89uy: Should've put that in the article and backed it up with reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 11:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Ok, thanks. Im new, that's all. -Joaquin89uy.
@Joaquin89uy: No worries, everybody was once. Also, please make sure your signature ends with the date/time you left the message. (Four tildes (~~~~) does that automatically.) My talk page is automatically archived, but if there's no timestamp on the last message in a thread, it confuses the bot that does the archiving. —C.Fred (talk) 12:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Ok i'll use this comment as trial, with the four weird things you mentioned coded at the end. -Joaquin89uy. Joaquin89uy (talk) 12:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Ok it worked. Thanks. - Joaquin89uyJoaquin89uy (talk) 12:16, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

States and provinces for North American placenames

Hi, there—where are you seeing this?

—Wiki Wikardo 15:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Wiki Wikardo: MOS:GEO: "A place should generally be referred to consistently by the same name as in the title of its article." WP:USPLACE says to use the "comma convention" of "city, state" for most placenames. There are a limited number of exceptions for major cities. —C.Fred (talk) 19:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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Could you tell me who is deleting all these photos because they clearly are not copyright infringement. My confidence is high: because I am saying that because of this when someone looked down the page of pmo.gov.et the website had copyright notice, but the problem is that is not how this world works. Because the site says it is copyrighted does not mean legally it is so, here I want to say to prove my point. According to the Berne Convection any work by the citizens of the signatory nations is copyrighted to all the signatories of the Berne convention. Ethiopia is one of the only nations that did not sign it. Making the photos which i uploaded not copyrightable international in at least 176 countries which are signatories of the Berne Convection. And the Rest of the 18 non signatory countries need treaties with each other to have copyright protection with Citizens of Ethiopia which non of the other 18 states do. Meaning now 194 countries do not protect copyright to Ethiopian Citizens and now lets look at Ethiopia's copyright law because all the photos I uploaded were works of the State itself and the Federal Government which are accessible to the public. But if you still do not believe me there is one thing you cannot deny Article 11 of the Ethiopian copyright proclamation No.410/2004 allows the reproduction of a work by persons other than the owner for the purpose of teaching. Isn't Wikipedia a no profit platform solely and only for educational propose it is and you know that more than me you are an administrator. So according Article 11 of the Ethiopian copyright proclamation No.410/2004 i am allowed to upload works of citizens of Ethiopia and Government of Ethiopia works for education as even an article which is intended to teach and educate on Wikipedia also. Source is this external website stating a statue of No.410/2004 [2] i hope false deletion of photo ends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki person that edits (talk • contribs) 00:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wiki person that edits: The website asserts copyright; we don't need to get into the ins and out of it to go with the assertion being valid and treating it as valid. Further, for an item to be deemed free, it has to be free for all use, including commercial reuse. Free for educational use isn't free enough on Wikipedia.
If you disagree, you're welcome to start discussion on this matter at a general copyright board, or at Commons. —C.Fred (talk) 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry not sorry: because you literally said that the website said it has copyright and full rights, And you said I do not care about the law that's what you said. I will repeat again Under Article 11 of the Ethiopian copyright proclamation No.410/2004 allows the reproduction of a work by persons other than the owner for the purpose of teaching. This is the law you do not get any cleaner than that on Wikipedia. So sir you have no legal right to say you cannot allow this photo on this platform, because the law itself the law itself allows it's use. You said that it Further, for an item to be deemed free, it has to be free for all use, including commercial reuse. Free for educational use isn't free enough on Wikipedia, but wait a minute you uploaded a photo that you labeled fair use source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethiopia_INSA_Logo.jpg. So i am not allowing "Rule of Law for Thee but Not for Me" statement you just made. I believe not only believe but Article 11 N0.410/2004 allows it and all the countries and the world allow it. I am not foolish enough to upload photos which aren't in the public domain or which the law allows on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki person that edits (talk • contribs) 01:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wiki person that edits: Two separate things. Fair use is acknowledging copyright and using it for a limited purpose per WP:NFCC. Copyright infringement is, as you did, claiming a copyrighted work is in the public domain. —C.Fred (talk) 01:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You first said that it will have to be commercially usable and available to be uploaded. Then you said after I exposed you that fair use is an acknowledgement of their copyright: but still according to you it must be commercially usable, so fair use according to you is not allowable in Wikipedia. Fair use or not that's your words not mines. So let us not fight forever more if this goes to Faze2 I will have to contact the government of Ethiopia itself to confirm my claim and so that raises my question to you: which is after I contact the government and they say the images which I had uploaded are in the public domain how will I be able to show the evidence of my contact to the federal government, I will even do such a thing to upload photos for the Encyclopedia of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki person that edits (talk • contribs) 04:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wiki person that edits: There are two separate issues. For an image to be uploaded as free, it has to be free for all purposes, including commercial reuse. Images under many (but not all) Creative Commons licenses meet this criteria, as do images that are placed in the public domain or enter the public domain because their copyrights expire. The images you uploaded are not public domain: copyright is asserted over them by the government of Ethiopia or an agency thereof. That is why they were deleted: false representation of copyright.
For an image to be donated under a free license, the rights holder would need to contact Wikimedia directly. You cannot contact the rightsholder and relay the information.
There is a separate set of rules under which copyrighted images can be uploaded to the English Wikipedia for limited uses. The logos might have qualified there (or would have qualified after being reduced in resolution). The Non-Free Content Criteria can be complicated, so I definitely suggest getting help with uploading non-free images. —C.Fred (talk) 16:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I will contact the government of Ethiopia to make contact to Wikipedia that all Ethiopian Government images are in the public domain. But how will other Wikipedians know that the contact has been made with Wikipedia organization and the photos are not deleted again. This is my last question. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki person that edits (talk • contribs) 23:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wiki person that edits: The easy solution is for them to upload the image while they're at it. Alternatively, they can alter the license notice on the relevant web pages to change the license terms for the images. —C.Fred (talk) 01:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


Let me explain my position. Cumberland is not a city, it is a neighborhood. [1]. You will see Vinings and Cumberland both listed as a neighborhood along with S. Cobb(Not a city), W. Cobb(Not a city), N. Cobb(Not a city), and E.Cobb(Not a city). Stating Truist Park is in Cumberland is similar to stating that Wrigley Field is in Wrigleyville, IL. It is listed properly as being in Chicago, IL on the Wrigley Field Wikipedia page. If you look on the website of Truist Park you will see their mailing address having an Atlanta address. [2]. If you go to the USPS website, the USPS is the official reference point of ALL zip codes, and enter the zip code 30339 you will see the city covered as Atlanta. If you expand the section that says city names to avoid you will see Cumberland there meaning it isn't a legitimate city. [3]. I have both cited my sources of the change and why it should be changed. I have cited three examples as proof. I have also given an example of a Ballpark in an iconic neighborhood where it's city is still listed as the city it is in. Please present cited references justifying the Cumberland city designation. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 05:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://travelcobb.org/visit-cobb-county/
  2. ^ https://www.mlb.com/braves/ballpark
  3. ^ https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?citybyzipcode
That would be could information to have presented at Talk:Truist Park. —C.Fred (talk) 19:19, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Macedonian Nationalist Daki

Hi, sorry to bother you but this user continues to disrupt the article Todor Aleksandrov after you have locked it. He is obviously WP:SPA; WP:NOTHERE and WP:NATIONALIST. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 16:53, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Phanes (coin issuer)

The same problematic user is back as a WP:DUCK at Phanes (coin issuer).--Ermenrich (talk) 19:59, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ermenrich: It is curious that they're focusing on that article, but is there something in the edits that I should focus on to hear the quacking? —C.Fred (talk) 20:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
The Focus on sema meaning tomb rather than anything else. Their name is even “Semadeath” or something. That was one of the main things pushed by the sock master in ever iteration.—Ermenrich (talk) 20:40, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
I also suspect that they're another sock - I made an SPI report earlier today... Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
It's not just that article! Coinissuer inserted their mis-spelling and their translation as "tomb" (apparently of the Virgin Mary or maybe Jesus) at Coin in January 2021.[3]
Now a new account Iamofthelion is insisting on it.[4]. Would you like to block as an obvious sock (and maybe semi-protect for a little while) or do we need a full SPI? NebY (talk) 16:40, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
I see there's already an SPI running on Coinissuer / Tounom socks, so I've added this one.[5] NebY (talk) 17:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

B-SAD

Hi, Why have you reverted the changes made on the page for B-SAD? The reference links are the following: https://www.osbelenenses.com/2021/10/tribunal-abre-caminho-ao-belenenses-e-separa-o-da-b-sad-nota-da-direccao-do-cfb/ https://www.osbelenenses.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/cfb-sentenca-tribunal-judicial-lisboa-28102021.pdf

There's been a new decision by the "Tribunal Judicial da Comarca de Lisboa - Juízo Central Cível de Lisboa - Juiz 17" where:

Reconhece que o Clube já não é accionista da B SAD, porque a venda da participação social que detinha foi válida. Afirma que o nexo identitário entre a B SAD e o Clube já se quebrou definitivamente. Decide que o Clube já não é o clube fundador da B SAD. Decide que a B SAD já não é a sociedade desportiva de futebol do Clube. Decide que o Clube não está condenado a apenas participar nas competições desportivas de futebol profissional através da BSAD. Decide que nada impede o Clube de constituir uma nova sociedade desportiva para competir no futebol profissional, assim consiga o mérito desportivo para lá chegar.

If you don't understand Portuguese, ask a Portuguese admin to read it for you.

By deleting the changes it is YOU who is contributing to vandalism, misleading, misinformation and contributing to consumer confusion by not allowing the true facts to be exposed.

Since 2018, this company has been impersonating the club "Clube de Futebol 'Os Belenenses'" and Wikipedia, by "correcting" the page to the wrong facts, becomes an accomplice in the misleading, misinformation and confusion to the consumer.

Have a look also to the Portuguese Football Federation page, where you can see that they appear as B-SAD: https://resultados.fpf.pt/Match/GetMatchInformation?matchId=1628756

If you have paid attention to the edition I made, you could see that I have never deleted the part where it is mentioned that this company was "A rebel offshoot of Clube de Futebol Os Belenenses, they play in the Primeira Liga." and the History section.

Let me know if you have any further doubts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcontente (talk • contribs) 13:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pcontente: Nowhere did you cite a reliable source that mentions this updated ruling. —C.Fred (talk) 14:12, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


My Talk Page

Thanks for that, its been on my todo list for a while, but I kept forget to remove that heh. LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 19:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested additions Dave Sharma

Hi C.Fred. I noticed you were chipping in on a page about my colleague and fellow Australian politician Andrew Bragg, where Senator Bragg requested an impartial editor consider some proposed additions to the page pursuant to WP:COI. I have posted a very similar request to add some more content to the page about me. I was wondering if you would be willing to look at my requested additions as well. Davesharma (talk) 23:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Joseph Kallarangatt: Your intervention

Let me show the contradictions in the BLP "Joseph Kallarangatt". The article in the second paragraph claims about sexual assault and corruption allegation based on footnotes 7,8 and 9. The corruption allegation is based on the article "The right turn by a section of Kerala’s Catholic church is sheer opportunism". A single statement is made by Indulekha Joseph that "There are many allegations the church faces currently, including corruption and sexual offences”. How does this single quote be included in the BLP of Joseph Kallarangatt against him? There is no mention that there is corruption allegation against Joseph Kallarangatt, Please refer the footnote no. 7 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/right-turn-section-kerala-s-catholic-church-sheer-opportunism-155406

About sexual assault the contradiction is as follows: the term sexual assault is used in paragraph 2 of the article gives the impression that Joseph Kallarangatt has done the assault. Again the matter is referred under the title "2018–2021: Controversies in the Church". Here it is claimed that Joseph Kallarangatt has approached by the nun based on footnote 13 https://caravanmagazine.in/gender-sexuality/bishop-franco-mulakkal-kerala-nun-rape-case-protests But the very footnote 14 which is from The Hindu, a leading newspaper in India, takes a different report. It claims that bishop said that the nun had made verbal reference about the complaint, not any written complaint. It never says that the bishop delayed anything or covered up anything. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/nun-complained-to-me-pala-bishop/article24422306.ece

The title "2018–2021: Controversies in the Church" itself is inappropriate in the write-up about Joseph Kallarangatt since he has nothing to do with the controversies itself that it should be in his BLP. The first paragraph under this title talks about Franco Mulakkal, a bishop of the Latin rite, India. The BLP of a person should contain events that require direct involvement of the person. There is purposeful attempt to defame the person. Sheer vandalism is detected. Whenever a positive information is added just by adding a name about his alma mater, it is deleted instantly. What about the right of good name of a person in Wikipedia when the concerned person may not be a privileged editor. Ezhuth (talk) 10:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ezhuth: The introduction summarizes the article, and the detail section on the controversy brings up the criticisms raised by the JCC and KCRM about the timing of the speech, and how it appeared to divert attention away from the sexual assault allegations. As for the controversies in the church, since he was aware of the allegations—and apparently did nothing to act on them—it is appropriate to mention them in his article. —C.Fred (talk) 17:50, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Your help on the Hannibal Lecter page

I wanted to thank you for helping me with the vandal on the Hannibal Lecter page who’s trying to pass off fanfiction as if it was actually part of the show, and also ask you if we can get page protection. Could you please help me request that the page be protected? It certainly looks like this anonymous person isn’t going to stop. VictimOfEntropy (talk) 02:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Luke

Its a greek name Hazeyville718 (talk) 00:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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Argonne Rebels Vandalism

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The Argonne Rebels page was merged without notice to anyone by an editor with no experience or education with nationally ranked D & B corps. Object to deletion: References to this historic drum and bugle corps are included below - in addition Argonne is the only corps to have been involved in a Smithsonion Institution exhibition featuring small towns in Amereica A quick Facebook review would also include numerous articles, photos and webpages with additional information.

A History of Drum & Bugle Corps, Vol. 2; Steve Vickers, ed.; Drum Corps World, pub.; 2003 "Argonne Rebels Drum And Bugle Corps, Great Bend Kansas". Archived from the original on June 3, 2011. Retrieved December 29, 2014. "History for Argonne Rebels". Retrieved December 29, 2014. "Rural Kansas Tourism - Great Bend Exploration". Retrieved December 29, 2014. "Rebels with a Corps". Kansas Humanities Council. February 23, 2015. Retrieved July 8, 2017. Argonne73 (talk) 01:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Argonne73: It was not vandalism. It was a good faith merger by an experienced editor based on precedent with what has happened with similar (at least to them) corps articles. —C.Fred (talk) 02:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

2022 Winter Olympics Closing Ceremony

Why Did You Redirect the article for 3 months is not too soon. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 17:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

A significant number of new sources have not emerged since October, when it was last redirected. —C.Fred (talk) 20:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Dan Mullen

My apologies, you're completely right about that. Good catch. Mackensen (talk) 20:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mackensen: No worries. I was watching the article when the news broke that he was sacked immediately, so I know far too much about Mullen's career and Florida's season now. :D —C.Fred (talk) 20:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Runnin Man edits

Your reversion of the Running Man is pointless and flawed. Even if left up, Janet Jackson and her video (RN) had nothing to do with the innovation. Also, the article as a whole can use major revision as it was.72.174.131.123 (talk) 01:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Meg griffins name is megatron Griffen

There’s an episode of family guy where it shows Peter changed megs name to megatron not Megan 2601:46:C702:5830:75BE:BC00:F09C:3496 (talk) 02:00, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

As has been repeatedly stated at Talk:Meg Griffin, this is a one-off joke and not sufficient to change the name on the article. —C.Fred (talk) 02:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Reference needs fixed

Reference number 45 on the article Criticism of Sikhism needs fixed. It currently points to wrong page. Should be [6]. Also most of the changes were removed by the user who originally created the article as the page went through trolls and vandalism with changes irrelevant to the article. MehmoodS (talk) 23:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@MehmoodS: Take it to article talk after Suthasianhistorian8 responds to my question—I want to see if they're okay going to your most recent version. —C.Fred (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Jean smart edits

Adding that forest used to be [redacted] is cited and a good point of clarification. How is that inappropriate. Not outing anyone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 10002dweller (talk • contribs) 01:13, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@10002dweller: You also asserted that Forest is trans. How is that not an improper use of a deadname? —C.Fred (talk) 02:16, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

He is trans! She brought HIM, formerly HER to the Emmys with her. Some of her fans are confused. I think a factual clarification for the bio of a pretty famous actress is useful. Why are Wiki editors so loathe to make edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 10002dweller (talk • contribs) 04:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@10002dweller: We are loathe to make edits when they are a clear violation of established policy. Forrest was not notable under his prior name, so there is no reason to add the deadname. —C.Fred (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Protection

Administrator Regents Park was already watching the article — see the latest section on their talk-page.

Poor call to protect the page. TrangaBellam (talk) 04:48, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam: They're welcome to contact me if they think the protection was excessive. Otherwise, it was a necessary action to stop an edit war. —C.Fred (talk) 14:53, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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User:力 (powera, π, ν) 22:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I think reverting the redirect caused it to pick up your own auto-patrolled by accident? User:力 (powera, π, ν) 22:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

COI

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What is COI? Argonne73 (talk) 04:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
@Argonne73: Conflict of interest, as was previously mentioned on your user talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 17:39, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

C. Fred. Sorry for the confusion, but under interests, yours do not include "Drum and Bugle Corps." I am a proud member of Argonne and we won 3 national championships, placed in the top five in two others, including Drum Corps International (the organizations that monitors Drum & Bugle Corps, interntionally.) So, yes, I would prefer our page stay on the "Found Members" corps list, because we were a founding member corps, and placed 5th in the first DCI competition held in Whitewater, Wiscosin, in 1972. My question, today, is some people are objecting to the repertoires list. These lists (currently a spreadsheet format) are from the actual corps brochures printed every year by Miller Printers of Great Bend, Ks. (Yes, I have the paper copies in storage.) How does one document these old brochures? Pictures? jpg format on the page, etc? I am asking because several editors mentioned that there is no source, when actually there are actual 50 + year old paper copies. We are trying to comply and we are contacting the parent organization (DCI) about this issue and several other corps' articles pages being arbitratily deleted by person with no background in music - let alone the intricacies of Drum and Bugle Corps. Help, guidance and assistance would be much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:a601:af43:ba00:28d4:1e83:3138:a424 (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

First, because you are a (former) member of Argonne, you have a conflict of interest. Editors with conflicts of interest have a difficulty maintaining neutral point of view on the subjects they are connected to, which is why they are discouraged (if not outright forbidden) from editing on topics they have a connection to.
Second, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We are not a complete guide to everything. If DCI wants to maintain full pages on founding corps or any other not-currently-active corps, that's within DCI's purview. Wikipedia's scope is to cover corps that meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. If community consensus determines that there is not sufficient coverage in independent reliable sources to make Argonne notable, then there will not be an article about Argonne, regardless of what its members or DCI think. And that consensus is established by a cross-section of editors on Wikipedia, not just those with corps backgrounds. There is no requirement to be familiar with the subject of an article to edit it, although it often helps to understand what's being written.
Regarding the old repertoires: if the full article stays and is not deleted or merged/redirected, then we can look at how to include that. I say that because other corps' articles include set lists; I'd need to look at how they're sourced for documentation purposes.
Finally, the deletion was not arbitrary: there was community discussion that led to the deletion.
P.S. All my time on football fields has been as a referee, not a member of a marching band. Yes, I've flagged bands for running over the allotted halftime. But this I know: I'd never have made it in Cadets or Glassmen, because when I walk off penalties, I step off with the left foot. —C.Fred (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Confused

Objecting to deletions require documentation. Now we are in trouble for citing too many sources? Your comment said something about "blowing up the page." Are we not to cite the NUMEROUS sources attached to the inredible history if this amazing musical organization?

Argonne73 (talk) 03:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Argonne73: If you read the message, I said, don't start every message with Keep. That's the issue that's problematic.
Also, your COI is showing. —C.Fred (talk) 03:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fred, how do I message a user who has no Talk page? Ishan87 (talk) 21:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ishan87: What user? —C.Fred (talk) 21:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

The functions of Wikipedia is still very confusing for me. Some guy sent me a mail but Idk how to read it. I clicked it but nothing happens! Ishan87 (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ishan87: Oh, if it's mail, you'll have to check whatever email is linked to your account. —C.Fred (talk) 22:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I did check there too but found nothing so I'm confused Ishan87 (talk) 22:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Novena Church

Hi, C. I didn't mean to steamroll over your warning at User talk:Novena Church; I simply missed it, or I would have consulted you before blocking. Anyway.. I'm consulting you now. Don't you think the account's edits are promotional, and hence it should be blocked? See e.g. this edit, about how famous the church is, or this, where the text was admittedly pretty promotional before also (already edited by acolytes, I presume), but it didn't have wording like "ever growing crowds" or "celebrated". But if you'd rather leave them unblocked, or change to a softblock, that's fine by me. Bishonen | tålk 16:23, 1 December 2021 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Hard block is fine, I think. Definitely a COI edit with the almost promotional spin to it. It wasn't so over the top that I blocked immediately; I was waiting to see next steps. —C.Fred (talk) 03:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Complain

Hello again Fred. I really don't like complaining or snitching but this guy called DinosaursKing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DinosaursKing clearly doesn't understand how Wikipedia works and continues to revert my edits at the page called- Largest Prehistoric Animals. Despite I've explained to him several times that his infos are outdated and does not match the main Wikipedia article page of Megalodon, he keeps changing my edits back. He has no contribution in Wikipedia whatsoever and is obsessed with that one page only as if he owns it. He also vandalised my user page. Unless he wants to understand Wikipedia policy I think he should be banned from editing Wikipedia. Anyway sorry to disturb you again, and thanks for your patience as well as commitment. Ishan87 (talk) 10:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

DinosaursKing has been warned about edit warring.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
He/she reverted again, so it is now at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring‎.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:43, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks toddy Ishan87 (talk) 15:45, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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hi cfred, could u help in updating the fairlie railway station listing, the image used is wrong and a picture of west kilbride station in error — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:B901:2F01:ED21:D583:621E:74A5 (talk) 23:57, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

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Ed Sheeran

Hey there. I wanted to discuss this with you here. The source on the No. 6 Collaborations Project page never refers to it as Ed’s fourth studio album. It doesn’t even refer to it as a studio album. It only refers to it as an album. Ed himself referred to Equals as his fourth studio album, so I really don’t see how this is up for debate. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 (talk) 21:57, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Also I have started discussing this on Ed’s talk page, so if you’d like to discuss it there, please do so. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

There are two sources on = that refer to it as his fifth album. I'll leave it to a wider group of editors at Talk:Ed Sheeran to decide how to handle it. —C.Fred (talk) 22:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

A quick google search took me to multiple sources that refer to it as his fourth, so clearly different sources have different opinions on this. Thus I believe we should go off of what the artist has called his work. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 (talk) 22:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

A goat for you - Argonne

Please stop removing the Argonne logo. It was an original drawing (FREE) by the director of Argonne in the late 60's. I marched with Argonne for 7 years. I am still working on getting this national championship drum corps page re-instated on Wikipedia. Please tell me about your drum corps experience.

Argonne73 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Argonne73: And what evidence do you have that this logo is not under copyright? That's the only thing relevant in relation to the logo. —C.Fred (talk) 03:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

shayan yoosuf

you can see him facebook and some story sites as vaahaka.com esiya.com. please add his information on wikipedia. Kevinwestin (talk) 18:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kevinwestin: The burden is on you to do the research and find the stories. —C.Fred (talk) 18:50, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

what do you mean? Kevinwestin (talk) 18:52, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kevinwestin: You need to provide the citations to the news stories about him. —C.Fred (talk) 18:53, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Rick Oginz edits

Hi, I'm a very inexperienced user trying to edit the Rick Oginz page. I just tried to tighten up the bio in my last edit, sorry for not leaving an explanation. I'm his son so it's not an ideal situation for me to be working on it at all. If you know any other editors that could help I would really appreciate it! Thanks, Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benoginz (talk • contribs) 00:06, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Rudolf von Scheliha

I would like to correct errors in biographical information about Rudolf von Scheliha some of which are controversial. I started by correcting non-controversial information about his daughters, one of which is my mother. You seem to have reverted these changes. How should I go about updating this page? It is very different in content from the German page about the same person.SRTuricum (talk) 18:54, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@SRTuricum: Since you have a conflict of interest with the subject, you should not edit the article yourself. Instead, request the edits at Talk:Rudolf von Scheliha, and let an independent editor make the changes. —C.Fred (talk) 00:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

AEW

The other people are signed to All Elite Wrestling 72.87.119.7 (talk) 01:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I had a colour-blindness moment with that: I saw –43 instead of +43 for the character count change. Sorry about that. —C.Fred (talk) 01:24, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Help Me!

Hi Fred

Thanks for your kind note.

Very kind of you to greet me.

I wanted to reply prior to my edit possibly being deleted.

There was already an existing article/page about me (Peter Parcek - blues, blues rock musician)

I edited the existing article in order to correct inaccuracies, clarify proper album crediting & also to remove personal data (about my mother, my health etc) that I felt uncomfortable being included.

I hope this makes sense & was ok to do

I did it out of respect for accuracy

In any event please let me know

Wishing you peaceful & happy holidays

Peter Parcek www.peterparcekband.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppguitar (talk • contribs) 21:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Argonne

CFred: Many of the corps were NOT members of the founding members of DCI. Argonne was a FOUNDING MEMBER of DCI. Please get some learnin' on the history of DCI and you might understand the difference between a "member" corps of DCI and a non-member corps of DCI. PLEASE. When, which years and which corps did you march with and which seasons? Proud Argonne from 67-74 and frustratedwith lack of knowledge of the D/B activity by "admins" who keep "editing." " Argonne73 (talk) 17:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Argonne73: It's pretty clear to me. Member corps participated in DCI. Non-member corps didn't. If you'd prefer, I can just contest the move, and I'll move the page back to its original title until there is community consensus for the move. —C.Fred (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjcxXF66XYQ

Standing Ovation at Chiefs Halftime, August 1973. The next week 5th in pre-lims and 10th in finals for DCI. School yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argonne73 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Argonne73: What does that have to do with the list article? —C.Fred (talk) 21:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Andrew Bragg

Hi C.Fred. About a month ago I disclosed that I was Andrew Bragg, proposed some additions to the page at Talk:Andrew Bragg, and pinged @MelanieN: to see if they were willing to consider the proposed content. Melanie said they were busy, but you chimed in and said you were leaning towards including the "Views" section I had proposed, which constituted the largest part of my suggested improvements.

It's been a month and nobody else has commented, so I wanted to see if you still felt the proposed Views section complies with Wikipedia's rules, improves the page, etc. and if so, if it was ready to be put into the article. AndrewJamesBragg (talk) 22:06, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fred - Wondering how I can reinstate the edits?

Hi Fred I am new here so please forgive the unintentional stumbles in etiquette. Wondering how I can reinstate the edits I proposed for the page pertaining to myself here on Wiki? (Peter Parcek) I was very disappointed & chagrined to see the edits reversed. The original article, while certainly well-intentioned, includes personal material about my mother, health etc There are also inaccuracies & lapses in crediting. The article also mixes my music & blues and blues rock records along w/ pop-rock jobs I did for hire.

Please see AllMusic for an example of more accurate crediting. https://www.allmusic.com/artist/peter-parcek-mn0000713167


I presented the edits w/ respect & did not overstate (I believe) The edits offered attempted to correct & provided proper context for music & artistic endeavors. Please let me know what recourse I may have here - I have reached an age (72) & a health situation (lymphoma) in life where I would like to receive respect as an artist & set records straight if possible. I do not think that too much to ask.

Please reply brother

Wishing you Happy Holidays

Peter Parcek www.peterparcekband.com Ppguitar (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ppguitar: If there are corections that need made in the Peter Parcek article, you need to go to the Talk:Peter Parcek page and request the edit. Note that you must provide a reliable source to back up the change; we cannot just accept your word for the edit. —C.Fred (talk) 18:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your help & kindness Fred Ppguitar (talk) 14:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Help request for Soheil Beiraghi article

Hi. Many weeks has passed since Draft:Soheil Beiraghi's article has created, but no one reviewed it yet. Could you do me a favor and take a look at it? Thank you. Kabootaremesi (talk) 09:39, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kabootaremesi: It was completed earlier this week. As noted, there's a backlog of up to three months. —C.Fred (talk) 15:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Songs of the season

Holiday cheer
Here is a snowman a gift a boar's head and something blue for your listening pleasure. Enjoy and have a wonderful 2022 C. MarnetteD|Talk 02:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I Kissed a Girl

Would you mind semi-protecting this please as well as Hot n Cold? They've lately become magnets for sock puppetry, and blocking IP addresses/new accounts evidently isn't enough to stop the disruption. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:58, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: another admin has already done so for a month on both pages, but it might need more once that expires. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:40, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not a trawl

I'm not a trawl. I'm editing seriously.—Kt football (talk)09:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kt football: Then explain why those movies belong in the category. —C.Fred (talk) 00:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: It's because it's indicated on a template. —Kt football (talk)09:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Kt football: Which template? —C.Fred (talk) 01:18, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

An IP that signs as Doug Bashford accuses me of autism, etc.

Here is the last of his many long rants about me: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFalsifiability&type=revision&diff=1061237691&oldid=1060651852 . I went to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents and I saw "Want to skip the drama? Check the Recently Active Admins list for admins who may be able to help directly" in the list of alternative options. You were the first on the list. Dominic Mayers (talk) 14:58, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

@Dominic Mayers: Not sure there's a whole lot to do since he's editing without logging in, other than redacting the personal attacks. I've added the article to my watch list to monitor the conduct. —C.Fred (talk) 16:59, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
He focuses on Popper's article. Here is a diff from 2018. The Ip changes, but it's clearly the same person. Dominic Mayers (talk) 17:25, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Dominic Mayers: My point is, it's hard to be proactive toward the user at this point. It's easy to react once he does something, but it'd take more effort, and probably an ANI discussion, to do a rangeblock. —C.Fred (talk) 17:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes, my reply looked as if I did not get your point. Sorry about that. I did get your point, but felt the need to better present the issue. Are we allowed to remove or strike or hide his comments that do not focus on the subject such as when he gives general advices about communication as if I did not know how to communicate. This is not nice toward me and it breaks the flow of a useful communication about the article. I am not admin, but it seems to me that a talk page should not be used that way. Dominic Mayers (talk) 17:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Page protection

Hi, could you please protect the page for Roddy Ricch? If you search through the editing history before my edits, you could see there’s a lot of vandalism there. 65.36.59.228 (talk) 21:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

@65.36.59.228: If the page is protected, that means you won't be able to continue removing sourced content, and adding unsourced content. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

December 2021

Actually You Editing a page Saad Hussain Rizvi Actually you entered wrong DOB in intro. This DOB is of his father. Please see https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q102233621. Also see his Google Knowledge Panel https://g.co/kgs/Hdm1NJ . His correct DOB is 21 September 1994. Please fix this accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saad Arshad Butt (talk • contribs) 22:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@Saad Arshad Butt: There is not a source at the Wikidata panel, so we can't use that. —C.Fred (talk) 22:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Or rather, Wikidata used en.wiki as a source. Since it's not sourced here, I've removed it from Wikidata. —C.Fred (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Actually You can still see his correct DOB under knowledge panel https://g.co/kgs/Hdm1NJ. I am changing this with permission of Saad Hussain Rizvi. You can see this from google knowledge panel and update this Please. Please contact me on [redacted] . I want you to make detailed changes on this article. I will provide you all sources & details.
@Saad Arshad Butt: Please do not make any further changes to the article, because of your conflict of interest. Instead, request changes on the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 23:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: It is not my conflict of interest. The date of Birth is not even mentioned there. How can I show you the Govt. Issued ID card of Saad Hussain Rizvi? Please check reference of date of birth & fix it please https://g.co/kgs/Hdm1NJ
@Saad Arshad Butt: It is your conflict of interest. You started you are editing at the direction of Rizvi; therefore, you have a conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 23:14, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
What is wrong if we add overlinking in parent section of Saad Hussain Rizvi? Khadim Hussain Rizvi is his father and it is already added there. It should be overlink so anyone can click on father's name and see who is he. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saad Arshad Butt (talk • contribs) 23:42, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@Saad Arshad Butt: See the edit summary on my most recent edit. And please start signing your talk page messages! —C.Fred (talk) 23:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Thank you so much. I last edit, Please add picture of rizvi on this page. Picture is available in first source of the article Saad Hussain Rizvi. But I request to use this photo https://ibb.co/0n4VBTy. 1st reference can be used for this. Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 23:53, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@Saad Arshad Butt: What "first reference"? —C.Fred (talk) 23:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Photo of Saad Hussain Rizvi is available here. https://www.dawn.com/news/1662656. Please add this to wikipedia page. And please use this photo if possible It is free & captured by me https://ibb.co/0n4VBTy.Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 23:55, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


Edit of Khadim Hussain Rizvi

@C.Fred: Check this source https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/asia/khadim-hussain-rizvi-thousands-gather-for-funeral-of-controversial-cleric-1.1115171

Can you see these lines? The vast gathering of his supporters on Saturday brought sections of Lahore to a standstill and appeared to be one of the biggest crowds ever seen in the Punjab city of more than 11 million people.

Update number of attendees of funeral please. Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 01:44, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Saad Arshad Butt: Article already states 200,000 attendees. —C.Fred (talk) 01:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Where is the number 200,000 mentioned??? In this article you can see it is saying 11 Million people and the biggest crowd of Punjab.
@Saad Arshad Butt: It says Lahore has a population of 11 million people, not that 11 million attended the funeral. Per the sentence below that, even: "Local observers estimated attendance could have run to several hundred thousand." —C.Fred (talk) 01:51, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: It is not telling exact figure. Please check these sources

1. https://www.geo.tv/latest/323671-does-the-tehreek-e-labbaik-have-a-political-future-without-khadim-hussain-rizvi
2. https://www.ucanews.com/news/hardline-islamic-cleric-even-had-catholic-admirers-in-pakistan/90420#
3. https://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/huge-maskless-crowd-gathers-for-pakistani-firebrand-clerics-funeral/

1. Last month in Lahore, a mammoth crowd gathered at the historic Minar-e-Pakistan for Rizvi’s funeral. As per some estimates, one million people were in attendance, which may be one of the largest gatherings at the monument in recent history.

2. Rizvi’s funeral on Nov. 21 was said to be the biggest funeral in the history of Lahore. Human rights activists expressed their concern at the show of muscle by religious extremists. The attendance of more than a million included some clerics from the interfaith group of Archbishop Sebastian Shaw of Lahore and several NGOs.

These are saying more than 1 Million people attended the funeral. Both are verified news channels

The first two are opinion pieces and not reliable. The third source says several hundred thousand. —C.Fred (talk) 02:13, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Do you have any personal issues with Khadim Hussain Rizvi? The 1st one is well known authentic news channel and this is not opinion based. Videos are also available where you can see a area of 2 km2 is filled with attendees of funeral. 1st 2 references said millions of people are gathered than what's the issue?? How can you say these are opinion pieces? Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:22, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
The first one clearly states that it is in the opinion section of geo.tv. The second has a disclaimer from the publisher that it is the author's opinion and not the editorial opinion of the publisher. —C.Fred (talk) 02:24, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


Help regarding fixing an article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihsan_ul_Haq_Bajwa

This article's Title is Ihsan Ul Haq Bajwa. However everywhere name is written as Ehsan Ul Haq Bajwa. His real name is Ehsan Ul Haq Bajwa. Please change the username & Title of this article. Sources: 1. https://na.gov.pk/en/profile.php?uid=1402 2. https://facebook.com/EhsanBajwaPK Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Saad Arshad Butt: See WP:RM, since sources differ on the spelling of the name. —C.Fred (talk) 04:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

2022 Winter Olympics Closing Ceremony

Why No Article Because where only 5 Days away from a new year but why the olympics are only 5 Weeks away because it's a little too soon for this article why did you direct it for. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 22:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

When the redirect was done, it was back in October. You may not request deletion of 2022 Winter Olympics closing ceremony. —C.Fred (talk) 22:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Aurora birthday

Regarding your edit here, it used to have full date sourced to a Nordish magazine till revision 1062566851 by Swiftiekaghorl?13. After that, IP (which appears trollish from a look at it's contribs) has changed it repeatedly without sources. This tweet from her official account also contradicts IP's claims.

If you don't mind, could you revert to that stable revision or may I? --Hemanthah (talk) 17:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hemanthah: The problem is that, in the prose, the birth date is sourced to a newspaper story and an interview. Both are in Norwegian, and one is a video, so I can't readily verify them. If you can link the diff to the old version, I can look at it, but it won't be until tomorrow (UTC). —C.Fred (talk) 17:29, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
This is the stable old version, but it sources it to a Norwegian magazine. The article as it currently appears carries a date that is unsourced and contradicted by her own official twitter account. Hemanthah (talk) 17:38, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, got confused by newer edits. Swiftiekaghorl?13 has corrected the date now. I'll simply add back the source from the older rev and stop bothering you here. Hemanthah (talk) 17:41, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Merchandise giveaway nomination

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Jandhyala surname page

Jandhyala Page edit, what defines notable and why is jandhyala seetarama rao not(not trying to start an internet war just wondering what fits the criteria)Igupala (talk) 01:58, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Igupala: See WP:Notability. As a general rule, in a list like that, only people who have an article about them should be listed. —C.Fred (talk) 02:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

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Merrell Twins Wikipedia

Hello. I know you keep deleting Veronica's name and the present life section of the page because it is unsourced information. Please watch, Veronica Merrell and Aaron Burriss's OFFICIAL WEDDING VIDEO it was released on 5th January and confirms their marriage and everything. Even a Pope marrying them. This is a TRUE SOURCE. please edit their page and change Veronica's name!! 2A02:C7F:FED5:BC00:ECD9:925B:215F:3B7E (talk) 20:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll see if there's a link at the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 20:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

religious Zionism

Hi C. Fred Thanks for your feedback. The other editor undid my revision with a summary that was an ad hominem (and inaccurate) attack on my source. I opened up a discussion on the talk page to discuss. I received some support from another random edit but no response from the editor who undid my revision (Dur Godiva)

I also provided additional sources and information from sources who i thought he'd agree that their "opinion mattered."

A different editor added an additional citation that also supported the paragraph I had written.


Dur Godiva then undid my revision again without discussion on the talk page.

I undid his undo with my explanation.

And then he did a third undo!

What do you propose is the most appropriate way to peacefully resolve? Meir Hakoton (talk) 03:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)Meir Hakoton

@Meir Hakoton: You need to discuss your proposed additions at the article's talk page and work toward a community consensus on whether to include them. Any ad hominem attack in the edit summary is not obvious; if problems like that persist, I'd suggest using the {{helpme}} tag on your own user talk page to ask for assistance from an admin. —C.Fred (talk) 04:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Liszt list

Thank you for leaving a comment. However I'm afraid that if you think Leslie Howard's comment isn't a reliable source, I can't help you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.24.240 (talk) 14:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Facebook posts are rarely, if ever, reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 14:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to use this comment section. Yes I agree that Facebook posts are rarely reliable sources, so I would like you to check it by yourself. If you want me to cite an 'unpublished' source, I'm not sure what should I do! Did you actually check the post? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.24.240 (talk) 14:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
It would be easier if you just provided links to the sources he cited in his post, so I could look at those directly. —C.Fred (talk) 14:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
You will need to join the group first: https://www.facebook.com/groups/124652524276054/posts/6305727066168538/
If you can't be bothered to provide a direct link to the cited non-Facebook sources, you'll just have to accept that your changes cannot be verified and will not be allowed. —C.Fred (talk) 14:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the 'new work list' is not published yet. I think I did say that it is unpublished. Leslie Howard didn't say it on 'non-facebook' as far as I'm aware. So did you manage to check the link I provided? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.24.240 (talk) 15:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia relies on published sources, so the most-recent published version is what Wikipedia will use for its article. —C.Fred (talk) 15:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the work list doesn't match to the 2004 work list either. Check the book cited, you will find a number of S numbers not in the 2004 book. You haven't checked the link have you? If you think this isn't reliable source, that doesn't matter (even though I want to ask then what is the reliable source you are talking about), but I would like you to do the same thing on the all FTD footnotes too. Does the page what the FTD is? NO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.24.240 (talk) 15:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
So here's the thing -- the article was somewhat decimated by a troll a while back (along with a number of other composer composition lists) which might explain why there's so-called nonsense here....however as you can see they did it in a way that makes it look correct. But just adding an unencyclopedic note like you are isn't the way to fix it. Find out what IS wrong with the list and fix it -- and do note there certainly have been new stuff since 2004 (such as what was recoreded by Howard himself on [7] and [8]). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 16:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
That is of course, ideal way. But it seems that when you edit something you will be expected to give a source, but most of new additions don't have proper citations. In this point I should ask why Leslie Howard's comment can't be taken into account, but some random addition can still be in the page, and why do you expect me to correct all the information. I can try some, but until it's done, in my opinion, it would be ok to state that the list isn't reliable since it differs from the 2004 work list and new S numbers appeared in the Hyperion Records? (I have zero knowledge about the Wikipedia's policy, so I have no idea why it isn't allowed, it would be so kind of you if you can explain it) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.24.240 (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
@Melodia: Can you give me a link to the last clean version? That would help me to see what's gone on on the page. —C.Fred (talk) 16:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I just checked them briefly, so I can't guaranty you this is the 'clean' version, but this version looks better than later additions. (most of additions by BarneyFiver , if not all, should be ignored)

"curprev 21:12, 7 November 2019‎ Chuckstreet talk contribs‎ 312,427 bytes 0‎ Bringing lede title in compliance with WikiProject Classical Music List consensus and other 200+ List pages, and per WP rules (MOS and others): link to parent page in first line of lede; partial title bold (no MOS:BEATLES violation); no link in bold; no parent link in picture caption. undo"

I haven't checked them all, but it doesn't have odd numbers such as S252c, S526a etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.24.240 (talk) 17:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I have a firm belief that no citation should be hidden behind a paywall or member login. But that's a great amount of references on Wikipedia, unfortunately. —Confession0791 talk 22:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, basically, before BarneyFiver started editing, though it's possible he edited under another name (he was a banned for sockpuppeting among other things). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi. You previously assisted in an edit war on the San Fernando Valley page. Disruptive editing from the same user has started again, are you able to assist? Greeis6 (talk) 14:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear Fred. There is a new candidate... https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/19828306.southend-west-election-standing-sir-david-amesss-seat/?cmpid=cmt Why do I need consensus, when I am STILL adding this new candidate, who has been announced for 5 days now. Who else is ADDING candidates? No one. So let me finish my editing, and then decide to edit that.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingJames80pc (talk • contribs) 04:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@KingJames80pc: The content is clearly outside of the style for listings of candidates and goes beyond the mere listing of a candidate. —C.Fred (talk) 04:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Fred, you have around 3 minutes to complete your version of... https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/19828306.southend-west-election-standing-sir-david-amesss-seat/?cmpid=cmt

There is a candidate, and now YOU offered to do this instead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingJames80pc (talk • contribs) 04:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

JPGiroud unblocked

Hi C.Fred, hope you are well. Just wanted to let you know I unblocked JPGiroud who you softblocked. Their identity has been identified in the VRT. Thanks! -- LuK3 (Talk) 21:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@LuK3: I saw the log note; thank you for the courtesy message! —C.Fred (talk) 21:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Fake News

Hi

I have instruction from Danela Arsovska to remove fake news. So i edit and write what is problem. So how i can solve this or just to give you email from my boss Danela Arsovska and solve the problem

How she can have 2 nationality when she is Macedonian so if u see you can configure that is fake news. We have only one nationality no one have two. Also reference list and that the speak albanian or bugarian is also editet by incognito so and that is fake

And political section is also fake from half

How we can together sole this because she now is Mayor of Skopje city 46.217.188.29 (talk) 01:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

If you are editing at her direction, you should not be editing her article at all, because of your conflict of interest. You must request your edits at the article's talk page and provide reliable sources to back up your changes. —C.Fred (talk) 01:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Can u write to my Boss Danela Arsovska here is email

[redacted]

You can ask ID from she or passport what you need how we can solve this problem of incorrect content on wiki 46.217.188.29 (talk) 01:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Primary sources like ID are not acceptable sources. Secondary sources, like newspaper reports, are—and it looks like that is what the article is currently based on. —C.Fred (talk) 01:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The additions to Sana Amanat's article I made were all well-researched and valid. Birth date, hometown, siblings, brother - there were all correct. I just wanted to contribute to a quite poorly written article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASGC18 (talk • contribs) 03:08, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thanks for helping with the archiving bot (and responding so quickly)! Imurmate I'ma editor2022 (talk) 15:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Axos Financial page edits

I disclosed a COI and requested changes to the Axos Financial page. An editor addressed the overt BLP issues, but said the rest of the page was too boring. For example, it cites Axos’ own investor materials to criticize the company’s data privacy practices. I saw that you were an accountant and was hoping you might take an interest in reviewing the proposed changes where others have not. Gfrostaxos (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Gfrostaxos: I've made one change and commented generally at Talk:Axos Financial. —C.Fred (talk) 20:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Jacob Morris

Hi C.Fred, I added the article 23rd New York State Legislature to Jacob Morris (politician) because MOS:DABRED states that red-linked entries should always be accompanied by an article that uses the red link. Leschnei (talk) 12:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Leschnei: My edits were because there's no point for a red link; a blue link to the legislature is fine. —C.Fred (talk) 21:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2022).

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  • The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Geniuskid23

I'm thinking of an indefinite partial block from the page. What do you think? I doubt this will stop. Doug Weller talk 09:13, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: I was waiting to see what the user's next edit would be. If they go back down the same path, I agree on the indefinite partial. I could also see it going sideways where they get an indefinite sitewide. —C.Fred (talk) 12:32, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. Doug Weller talk 12:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Excuse for content removal

Names of victims of criminal cases are not censored in any article because of WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:PUBLICFIGURE and Wikipedia comes under the jurisdiction of United States. There are attempts to remove the entire history of a case from Bhavana (actress). The 1)b of Terms of Use only states that editors should be cautious because the authorities may apply their country's law on the editor if he/she comes under their jurisdiction. This does not allow anybody to remove sourced content, that's an excuse. They are also removing the name from Dileep. This is WP:GAMING.--2409:4073:2E9C:F37B:3944:8620:F0B2:8059 (talk) 14:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, but they're acting in good faith, and I think this needs wider consideration than restoration by individual editors. —C.Fred (talk) 15:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough. Let me add these too, there are many sources that mentions Dileep and Bhavana in connection with the same case, see [9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16]. Why should an Australian or Sri Lankan care about Indian law to edit Wikipedia which is hosted in the U.S. I think administrators should interfere here. By wider considerations you mean noticeboard discussions? 2409:4073:4E95:BBF7:65E7:6869:8110:E08A (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
See the above sources. The actress herself has came out publicly revealing that she's the victim. So she herself is fine identifying as victim, so what's "their" problem? I don't think there's any complication anymore. 2409:4073:210A:39D3:2CD9:D03F:3206:AA1A (talk) 20:46, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
That is a good matter for consideration at the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 21:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Admin Orangemike has already restored the content and participated in discussion. I have also added a detailed note. May be you can join too.--2409:4073:2E82:CD7A:FCD5:9DF:1CB7:EBFA (talk) 18:52, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Ray Wesley Rodrigues

Hi my name is Terry Miller and I am attempting to edit the page for Ray Rodrigues (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Rodrigues). I have someone on my staff working on these updates and understand that our edits keep getting rejected and that your the admin removing the edits. I am not sure what we are doing wrong or why we are having issues making these edits. To my knowledge, everything we are doing is sourced fits the the formatting requirements. Our updated version over 80 citations sourcing the accuracy of our text yet it appears they are still in question. I would like to make this as easy as possible for everyone involved, including you. Please let me know what we can do to get our updates approved.

Thank you,

Terry Miller 2/4/2022 [redadcted]

Dewey6427 (talk) 15:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dewey6427: I don't see any edits by "someone on [your] staff"; I only see edits by you. Since you imply that there is some paid editing going on, please clarify both your relationship with Rodrigues and whether you have paid anybody to prepare or make edits to Rodrigues' article. —C.Fred (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

EMTP

Hi Fred, please help me understand the distinction between adding an existing free software and the last sentence describing Typhoon HIL on the [17] page.

Thanks, Emtpguy (talk) 21:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@Emtpguy: Just because bad stuff is there already isn't an excuse to add more. I'd need to look closer at the Typhoon inclusion. There are definitely other issues in that article. —C.Fred (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Looking forward to seeing future revisions. In any case, so I am aware in the future, what is a good rule of thumb that distinguishes establishing the breadth of existing technologies from "promotional purposes?"

Emtpguy (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@Emtpguy: In this case, WP:Notability was the guideline used. Entities that don't have an article about them were removed. —C.Fred (talk) 21:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Three Revert Rule

C.Fred - I have removed a paragraph from the Makary page due to concerns of both libel and bias. Specifically the last line in that paragraph which says:

A number of Makary's conclusions are at odds with the "consensus of his fellow public health experts,"[6] who have criticized him for speaking outside his area of expertise.

This is meant to defame Dr. Makary as these are opinion pieces from other public health experts who themselves have been incorrect/wrong on various aspects of the pandemic. The only purpose of this specific sentence is to bias the audience against Dr. Makary in the lede of his Wiki page. These articles are hearsay. I had to rework the entire COVID-19 section to actually make it a neutral point of view, which I suggest you read to see how that looks right now. Previously, it was all quotes like the one above.

Makary has a Masters in Public Health so he is fine to speak on issues of Public Health. There is very little consensus in Public Health about what to do in regards to the Pandemic within the United States and the World in fact. It's why we have so many different policies going on all over the place. China has one policy, New Zealand has another, and on and on. I don't have a problem with re-working the lead, but have big issues with that paragraph.

The three-revert-rule provides for exemptions, and #7 is clearly designed for the purposes of my removal of that paragraph. UnbiasedAgent (talk) 13:50, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

We can remove this. We worked it out in the Talk Page. UnbiasedAgent (talk) 15:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@UnbiasedAgent: Had another editor not also edited the intro, I likely would have blocked you. I do not see anything in the text you removed that rises to the level of WP:3RRNO #7, especially when reliable sources are cited for the material. —C.Fred (talk) 18:59, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

CannisRoofus

Hi Fred, I saw that you reverted the changes that i tried to make on [18]. I'm new to editing so i'm probably not doing this correctly. My intent was to add the olympic medalists with information on each individual and link to the event they participated in. I thought i had done this correctly and linked to the appropriate pages. Your proposed prose omits the years of competition, type of medal won, and the individual events. I used a similar format to [19]. I'm attempting to add more information to the Wolfpack page in general and thought this was an appropriate addition, since currently there's not a individual wiki that shows the wolfpack olympic medalists, events, medal, nation. (in fact it was quite difficult for me to track down all the information) Can you provide some feedback on what i did wrong or some guidance on how this information should be displayed. Thank you kindly. CannisRoofus (talk) 21:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@CannisRoofus: The big issue that I have is the information is redundant. There is not a notable alumni section in the Clemson article, so it makes sense to have a section on Olympians. With a list of notable alumni in the State article, it is redundant to have another list below it, especially when years of participation are in the list above. That's why I went with the prose format. —C.Fred (talk) 21:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Thank you for the quick replay. I understand that some of the information is redundant. However, the number and type of medals won, the nation that the athlete competed for, the year of the olympics, and the event competed in are not listed. I feel that a list clearly displays this information and allows for the appropriate links. I would propose that Olympic medalists be a subset of Notable athletes would that not satisfy your primary issue with my formating but also clearly provide the information that is currently missing. Would that be acceptable formatting? CannisRoofus (talk) 22:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
@C.Fred: Did you have any feed back on my suggested edit? CannisRoofus (talk) 21:20, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Points table

Hi @C.Fred:, Can you tell me how to update points on this league's Points table where you had added Points table on this league. Thank you ! Fade258 (talk) 10:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fade258: About 15 lines into the table code are the data lines for each team's wins, losses, bonus points, and NRR. —C.Fred (talk) 12:51, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
C.Fred. Thank you!Fade258 (talk) 12:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
@Fade258: And this diff has an update for the latest result. —C.Fred (talk) 12:54, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
@C.Fred:. Thank you for your support. Fade258 (talk) 12:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Probably Uncivil Statement

Dear C.Fred, I recently found a wikipedia user(not admin) saying this.
Do you think this is a civil way to discuss something?
(Especially this statement : "...Indonesian online media and Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia contributors should take the blame due to lack of verification from the primary sources...")
Thanks before
Regards, 118.136.38.2 (talk) 07:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's uncivil enough to require any action. —C.Fred (talk) 18:05, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Israelite School of Universal Practical Knowledge

My edits are not disruptive this group has the right to correct any misinformation. I even incorporated the edits with the references that are currently on the page. Someone is being biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geniuskid23 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@Geniuskid23: Forgive the directness, but yes, you are biased. Information needs to come from neutral sources, not what the group says about itself. —C.Fred (talk) 14:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Axos Financial page edits?

Hi C.Fred. I wanted to check-in on Talk:Axos Financial and see if this was something you still planned on working on. My biggest complaints are where the page criticizes the company citing our own materials or says our product is discontinued when it isn't. I defer to your judgement on which edits to institute though. Gfrostaxos (talk) 16:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gfrostaxos: Part of the problem is out of sight, out of mind. I'd present the changes, one or two at a time, on the article's talk page with a {{Request edit}} template. That will draw more attention. —C.Fred (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

  • AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
  • The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Djbolkas

You've seen the "editing war" on the 2022 NRL season page I'm sure. But you explain to me how Djbolkas can place such comments as, and these are direct quotes from their edits: "you're a virgin" "do you have sugma m8" "sugma balls" "you should have been swallowed" and not be banned over it? Furthermore I'm accused of vandalism over what is NOT vandalism and have to be formally warned? Blatant double standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.236.125.200 (talk) 09:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I didn't see any of those in the edit summaries. —C.Fred (talk) 13:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
...Because the edit war had gone on so long they'd scrolled off the first page. —C.Fred (talk) 13:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

English and British royal mistress mistake

I noticed that you reverted my edit on the English and British royal mistress article, but you were completely wrong to do so. A mistress is defined as only being a female lover, not a male and those men have no business being on a page strictly for females. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.197.102 (talk) 03:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

As the article notes, "Although it generally is only used of females, by extrapolation, the relation can cover any lover of the monarch whether male or female." You will need to get consensus before changing it, since multiple editors oppose the change. —C.Fred (talk) 03:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

How Do I add a map to a train route

I'm Trying to add a map to a article but i find it too complicated. How do I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blue Wave Studios (talk • contribs) 20:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blue Wave Studios: The train map syntax is kinda complicated. Your best bet is to find somebody in the train project to assist. —C.Fred (talk) 20:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion image

You've flagged an image for deletion but it is allowed to be used. You've shared a news story with the image being used but it was used in lots of places including in a news article I published myself. I will update the files. File:Brian Whittingham.jpg Scot24 (talk) 20:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Scot24: You will need to email Wikimedia Commons to demonstrate to them that you own the image. —C.Fred (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't own the image it was taken by a photographer but he allowed me to use it for this reason. Best delete it as it's not my own work under my own name. I will ask the owner to upload it as he already has files on Commons. Scot24 (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Cod

I’ve backed up by evidence with the link to IUCN 3.1 which be the latest version, I’m not sure cod is your area or intelligence nor any kind of nature but my point has evidence you can’t argue with now so I hope you now understand why I keep changing the status Jackalacktic (talk) 22:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jackalacktic: Unfortunately you did not cite the latest version; you cited an assessment that's 17 years older that what's currently cited in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 03:05, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

It was the European evaluation check the global one Jackalacktic (talk) 15:12, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Response to Talk Page Response for Catherine L. Ross

Hi! I am an assistant for the Center of Quality of Growth and Regional Development and I'm not being paid to explicitly alter Dr. Catherine Ross's Wikipedia, I just manage a lot of her online websites and noticed this tag on her Wikipedia. I'm so sorry about the username, I had no idea that organizational username's weren't allowed, however if you were somehow able to remove the tag or tell me how to go about this once I make a new username, that would be extremely helpful. Thank you so much again for all of your help! CQGRD (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@CQGRD: You've been provided a link with instructions on changing username. And you may not remove the tag, because you have a conflict of interest. The tag can only be removed when independent editors review the article. —C.Fred (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Baltic states, same old story.

Why do you think that for Baltic states the full political name is necessary? As said people born in china have only China, not People's republic of China. People born in Paris, France 1940 have Paris France not, Paris German Military Administration. I have read the old long discussions in the talk, they lead nowhere and are inconclusive. If we use Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic, then do we need to use Republic of Estonia instead of just Estonia also? And what will happen with transitional periods and war times? Like if we have a person born between 8 May 1990 and 20 August 1991, when the state was already named to Republic of Estonia and the 1938 constitution was reinstated, but the state was still loosely part of Soviet union or even until 6 September 1991, when USSR officially accepted the independence of Estonia?

What date will the Soviet Union be dropped from the end, infobox person says to use sovereign state (although we know that sovereignty over Baltic states never went to Soviet Union at all due to annexation being internationally not recognized) there was Estonian Sovereignty Declaration 16 November 1988, declaring Estonia's sovereignty and the supremacy of the Estonian laws over the laws of the Soviet Union. So legally Estonian member status of Soviet Union after this was looser than in EU (tough of course Estonia was under military occupation in reality). I can go on, like in wartime there's even more "fun" political situations, like which village was controlled by which power. Germans reached Estonia 7 July, battles lasted until 2 December 1941 and again from 2 February to 19 December 1944. But maybe it's easier to follow MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content. --Klõps (talk) 23:30, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Klõps: So we should list just USSR, then, and omit Estonia? That's easy enough. :) —C.Fred (talk) 02:04, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
I expected something intelligent from someone with administrator privileges. This is really low. Administrator should see arguments from both sides, not go full sarcastic middle finger. --Klõps (talk) 08:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
@Klõps: Thank you for enjoining yourself to the ANI report. —C.Fred (talk) 13:09, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Indeed, WP:HOCKEY has been a tad lenient by having the SSRs included in the infoboxes with the Soviet Union. Perhaps, it's time the WikiProject remove them & go with just "City, Soviet Union". GoodDay (talk) 15:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I should point out, that there's currently an ongoing ANI report related to this topic. It's obvious, that things have gone beyond the point of just a content dispute. GoodDay (talk) 23:33, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoodDay: And I did render an opinion there about one of the editors in question and whether they should be allowed to participate further in Wikipedia. —C.Fred (talk) 17:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:HOCKEY's compromise is that we 'allow' showing "Estonian SSR", "Latvian SSR" & "Lithuanian SSR". Otherwise, it would simply be "City, Soviet Union". GoodDay (talk) 16:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Solo music articles

Hi there! I know that I might've talked about this with you before, but I think Niki and Gabi are ready to have their individual articles, they're becoming more notable as solo musicians now and also the last time they released music together was in 2019, there's a lot of reliable sources that talks about their solo projects, if they can't have articles can they at least have articles for their music? also check out Draft:Gabi DeMartino if you can! a-side from singing, they also starred in shows individually such as Freakish or Blood Queens. Gabriella Grande (talk) 18:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gabriella Grande: I looked at Draft:Gabi DeMartino, and I do not see where she is yet notable per WP:NMUSIC. —C.Fred (talk) 21:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2022

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Awards and honors received by Bruce Lee

Dear editors,

Please, don't delete any piece of information from my last version! I've worked very hard to compile all those awards/honors. It took me long to finish it.

It wasn't a good behavior to delete information related to top brands such as Nike, Nokia, Xiaomi, Casio and Hublot. I've been wise and careful enough to write an article that meets all generations' needs/expectations. For instance, teens find Bruce Lee Xiaomi smartphone a more interesting honor than a statue. Moreover, that kind of honors are recent. It's important to have an up-to-date article. Please, pay attention to sources dates/years. I had into account past (e.g. statues), present (e. g. Xiaomi smartphone) and future (a suggestion: Bruce Lee should be awarded with an Honorary Doctorate Degree).

Thank you for your understanding.

Cordially, Brightstarrrr Brightstarrrr (talk) 20:41, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm no doubt making a mistake in coming here, but I feel compelled to register my strong disagreement with your actions with respect to the user. They were given many warnings and ignored them all. They were asked to self-revert, and they did not. Instead, you do a "courtesy revert" for them (I've never heard of such a thing), and then when they ignore you and revert again, you partially block them (they should be sitewide-blocked as this is not the only article they've edit-warred on) and for a mere 31 hours. This is just delaying the inevitable, an indefinite block for WP:NOTHERE, WP:CIR, and disruption, which is what I said on EdJohnston's Talk page (don't know if you had a chance to read it).--Bbb23 (talk) 20:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
@Bbb23: And then there's this message on their user talk page. Methinks they're just digging the hole deeper. —C.Fred (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I noticed. Do you think the "BYE BUY" was an intentional pun? If the user is being paid, the payer is not getting their money's worth.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
@Bbb23: And WP:REFUND doesn't handle situations like this. :) —C.Fred (talk) 03:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I didn't block anybody. I don't even know how to block editors on Wikipedia... It was you who blocked me. Brightstarrrr Brightstarrrr (talk) 20:54, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I cannot edit the article anymore... Is it possible to unblock me? It is really unfair to delete important pieces of information from my version and then block me. I'm shocked. I'll take action. Brightstarrrr (talk) 21:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

C.Fred, did you see the difference between my version and the current one? Did you see how many pieces of information have been deleted without permission? The editors who should be blocked are the ones who delete information, not the ones who add information like me. Brightstarrrr (talk) 21:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Brightstarrrr: What I saw is that you persistently reverted to your preferred version and refused to discuss the matter on the talk page. You were restricted from editing articles directly to get you to engage with other editors and work toward WP:Consensus, as well as to make sure you listen to them about the problems in your edits, particularly the lack of accessibility and non-standard formatting. —C.Fred (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Definite Articles

The Rams is the team name as well as the the Raiders, the Green Bay Packers, the Dodgers, etc. If you want to include the city name then you get the Los Angeles Rams, the Las Vegas Raiders, the Los Angeles Dodgers, etc. Why are these football teams different on English language Wikipedia? Sireliah (talk) 03:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

This thread, including my reply, is at User talk:Sireliah#March 2022. —C.Fred (talk) 03:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Raghuvamshi

Need to revert these chnages done by this user

curprev 02:22, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ m 3,278 bytes −2‎ Fixed some formatting issues. undothank curprev 02:20, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ 3,280 bytes +26‎ Fixed the transliteration and added a clarification about the terminology. undothank curprev 02:12, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ m 3,254 bytes 0‎ Getsnoopy moved page Raghuvanshi to Raghuvamshi: Proper transliteration. undothank


The correct spelling is Raghuwanshi or Raghuvanshi. This is how it is pronounced in Sanskrit and Hindi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: You'll need to discuss that on the article's talk page, as well as present sources showing that is how it is spelled in English. —C.Fred (talk) 04:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I just gave the evidence of the user who changed the spelling in Feb.

curprev 02:22, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ m 3,278 bytes −2‎ Fixed some formatting issues. undothank curprev 02:20, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ 3,280 bytes +26‎ Fixed the transliteration and added a clarification about the terminology. undothank curprev 02:12, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ m 3,254 bytes 0‎ Getsnoopy moved page Raghuvanshi to Raghuvamshi: Proper transliteration. undothank — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs)

@Neha.thakur75: I didn't see any reliable sources cited. —C.Fred (talk) 04:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You are unnecessary misspelling Indian names. This is not good. It is spelled रघुवंशी in Hindi which is either Raghuwanshi or Raghuvanshi. It is a common surname used by Indian and I muyself is a Raghuwanshi. I wonder why foreigner are changing spellings of Indian names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As C.Fred previously explained, you need to present reliable, published sources showing how the names are spelled when transliterated in English. All you have done so far is demonstrate that you disagree with another editor about the spelling, but you have presented nothing to show that they are wrong. Your personal opinion is not sufficient reason to change an article here. General Ization Talk 04:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
@Neha.thakur75: What's relevant from my perspective is that you repeatedly changed the spelling of the name without explanation, was warned about their conduct, was warned that violating the three-revert rule would lead to them being blocked, and yet they kept doing it. I've addressed the behavioural concern. Any matters of content, including spelling, need to be addressed at the article's talk page. Since I've acted administratively, I can't really get involved with making a content call on the spelling. —C.Fred (talk) 04:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

This is so common that you can even google it. Why all this drama didnt happen when Getsnoopy misspelled the name ?

@Neha.thakur75: Getsnoopy did not violate 3RR; you did. My involvement is limited to your breach of the rule. —C.Fred (talk) 04:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
…But, for what it's worth, I did Google it, and the results are mixed. —C.Fred (talk) 05:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I just gave you an explanation. I found that wikipedia is misspelling a very important and special Indian cultural dynasty. And I corrected it. Now you bunch of people who know nothing about Indian cultural are asking me to justify. You could google and get the correct spelling, you can change it on wikipedia but not on other sources. This will get big if you dont stop, This dynasty belongs to Lord Ram, worshipped by Indian. If you play with Indian culture, this will not be ending well. You should give be the one I should ask for evidence. Stop playing with Indian culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: That still doesn't address the behavioural issue. You crossed the 3RR line. Your privileges of editing the article in question are restricted to prevent further short-term disruption.
By the way, when a user proposes a change, the burden is on them to present the evidence. Saying "Google it" does not count as evidence. You've been asked repeatedly for specific sources where we can verify the English spelling of the name, and you have yet to do so. —C.Fred (talk) 05:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Getsnoopy did violated because the changes does not reflect the real name and did not give the evidence for change. I joined wikipedia because I had to revert the wrongdoings. I was not even on Wikipedia until I saw this vandalisation of Indian culture — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: And where did he do it four times? —C.Fred (talk) 05:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

My changes were reverted my changes I have undo it.

@Neha.thakur75: Not by Getsnoopy, though. —C.Fred (talk) 05:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I have to undo the reverts done on my changes. Ask people who undo without evidence. I did give the evidence. Ask questions to people who undo my changes without giving evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: When three different editors revert you, you need to take it to the talk page. Period. Burden is on you, not them. —C.Fred (talk) 05:16, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes burden is on me when I discover that Indian culture is vandalised on Wikipedia and I have to revert the changes. Why are you not accepting the correct spelling ? How this is helping the content. Why are you contributing to misinformation ? What do you get from vandalising Indian culture ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: I see no evidence that any of the editors who reverted your edits have acted in bad faith; there has been no vandalism. As for "not accepting the correct spelling", there is no consensus at the article talk page on a correct spelling, so there is nothing to accept currently. —C.Fred (talk) 05:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The other users did because I had mentioned the reason in my edit clearly. They could have asked me for the reason and further explanation but instead they simply reverted my changes. How come this is not a bad behaviour? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: No, you did not. You did not use an edit summary at Raghuvamshi, and you did not explain on the talk page. When you were warned that you could be blocked for disruptive editing, you acknowledged the warning (by removing it) and kept right on. —C.Fred (talk) 05:30, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
@Neha.thakur75: Your edit summary "corrected spelling" showed only that the reason for your edit was that you disagreed with the spelling. It did nothing to provide evidence of the correct spelling. Had you started a conversation on the article's Talk page asserting that the spelling was incorrect, we would have responded that evidence was needed to determine the correct spelling, and we would be in the same place — except that you would not be blocked from editing the article because of your edit warring. General Ization Talk 05:34, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

This is enough. I will see how I can report this Indian cultural vandalisation to Indian organisation. I wont let you vandalise Indian culture like this. As a user who just joined to correct the wrongdoings on wikipedia, I did learn on how to edit wiki pages, I properly registered and did my edits instead of doing this anonymously. I gave the explanation for the change. Also, I shared the user and the user's edit history that I have reverted but you have intention to vandalise the page, you are coming up with all the stupid reasons for not to correct the wrongdoings. I understood you are the right person to have a rational discussion with. You dont care about the content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

C.Fred, I think we are done here for now. I have given the editor the same information at Talk:Raghuvamshi. I have also pinged the editor who made the change in February, inviting them to join the conversation there and help us resolve the dispute. Neha.thakur75 will simply need to try to understand that that process may take time, and the changes they are demanding will not occur until that process is complete, if then. General Ization Talk 05:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
C.Fred, I am also also deeply concerned with your attitude. You are restricting users and supporting vandalisation of context related to Indian Culture. What will WP:No legal threats says about your behaviour of blocking users to edit content, and promoting & supporting misinformation ?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 12:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —Neha.thakur75 Neha.thakur75 (talk) 13:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Reverting

Hi. Question: how many reverts on one single page are you allowed to make in one day in whole or in part? Marching on Leeds (talk) 20:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Marching on Leeds: Three, with exceptions. Their revert of the IP qualifies as an exception, since it's a revert of disruption to the infobox. —C.Fred (talk) 20:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
The IP was working on something and finally got there in the end. Looks to me like - including IP, it's about five where Snowflake is concerned. Marching on Leeds (talk) 20:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
@Marching on Leeds: The IP was making a mess of it in the process. I reverted them too. —C.Fred (talk) 20:59, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Dunno. There's no mess on this original one. Marching on Leeds (talk) 21:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
@Marching on Leeds: I was looking at this one with the convert template. —C.Fred (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
User has gotten some guidance on the matter and how to handle it better going forward. —C.Fred (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Why are you again starting an edit war ???

20:55, 8 March 2022‎ C.Fred talk contribs‎  3,278 bytes −96‎  Undid revision 1076000099 by Neha.thakur75 (talk) - I did updated since your last visit undothank Tag: Undo

" I did updated since your last visit " what does this mean ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: Exactly what it means: I've read the talk page, I've taken in the discussion. I'm not sure there's consensus yet, but it looks like it's leaning toward m. —C.Fred (talk) 21:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
@C.Fred: There is a move request on the templated because getsnoopy has moved the Raghuvanshi page to Raghuvamshi
@Neha.thakur75: No, there is not. There is a broken template. —C.Fred (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Then block getsnoopy because all I did is reverted his changes. If you keep undoing my changes you are not giving me chance to fix the changes. Neha.thakur75 (talk) 21:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
@Neha.thakur75: So, you admit that you deliberately edit warred? —C.Fred (talk) 21:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I dont know what is edit warred. I also dont care what other user are editing or updating. I just care about the wrong changes done on suryavanshi and raghuvanshi pages by getsnoopy. My only scope is to get theser changes corrected.
I am not a wikipedia editor nor I intend to be. After I get this miscorrection fixed I am not going to login to wikipedia. Neha.thakur75 (talk) 21:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
You can block my access or do anyother thing what you think will cause damage or delay in getting these changes fixed. I am determined and I will get these changes corrected. Neha.thakur75 (talk) 21:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
You will only be able to do that if you actually work with other editors and build a consensus. You cannot push the changes through via brute force. —C.Fred (talk) 21:21, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

protection of Talk:BB gun

Can you also add some page protection to the talk page? We just got similar disturbing IP vandalism there too. Thanks, Mdewman6 (talk) 20:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mdewman6: For the time being, just report it to WP:AIV as 'vandalism with a gross BLP violation by a block-evading IP'. As horrible as it is to get the vandalism, it's also a nice honeypot to catch the vandal(s), and at least it's only the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 20:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha, thanks Mdewman6 (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

How would I cite a Family Guy episode on a page?

I wanna add the fact that “Dewey defeats Truman” was referenced in Extra Large Medium, of Series 8, through a parody called “Stewie defeats Truman” to the page about Dewey defeats Truman, but I’m not sure how to cite a Family Guy episode. Do you know how to? Thebrakeman2 (talk) 23:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Chase2x00

If you think there is something legitimate there, feel free to restore TPA. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Riverflat2021

Hi, thanks for your understanding. There was actually more that went into my decision besides what I noted in the block log. As a brand new user, many of their edits were very suspicious: their first edits were to a template (most new users don't even know templates exist); they nominated an article for In the News; they voted Delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kornbread Jeté and, at the same time, attacked yet another editor. I suspect they are not new, but I'm not sure who is the master.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Hotel Transylvania 5

Hello, what is the probability that the Hotel Transylvania 5 will be built? The official news has arrived. 5.113.187.63 (talk) 00:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Official news is not the same as substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Laverne Cox

Would you mind dealing with this, I don't want to risk 3RR. Funcrunch (talk) 23:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Funcrunch: If there's another revert, feel free to report the user to WP:ANEW or, if you feel it's egregious enough, to WP:ANI, since the page is under discretionary sanctions for gender-related topics. —C.Fred (talk) 01:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Pu pu platter

Thanks for getting to my protection request so quickly. But why only for 24 hours? The problems have a long history. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 20:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Isaac Rabinovitch: I didn't see the longstanding history or your request. I saw the edits in recent changes. I'll take another look at the history. —C.Fred (talk) 20:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
@Isaac Rabinovitch: I'm only seeing the disruption in earnest over the last 24 hours or so. I don't see a pattern of it before that. There had been some, but it was infrequent. —C.Fred (talk) 20:22, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
The nature of the edits (somebody feels very strongly about some weird stuff) makes me think it will start up again once the block expires. Hopefully I'm wrong.
I have to say that I Wikipedia's "anonymous edits need to be encouraged" policy makes no sense to me. But I do understand that you have to implement policy. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

List of 3D films 2005-onwards

Thanks for the message on the talk page, for the films released that were confirmed for 3D this year, I had to go from the twitter account for REAL-D 3D, since all of the movies for the year except Jurassic World Dominion and Minions Rise Of Gru since those two had 3D mentioned on the official poster.

If you're wondering about the removed stuff from 2022 onwards all of those have not been confirmed for 3D at all or just a bunch of spam bots vandalising the page. The only confirmed thing after this year is obviously the Avatar sequels since we all knew they were being filmed in 3D regardless.

signed by MOVIEFAN 2001 dated on 15/03/2022 (AUSTRALIAN TIME) MOVIEFAN2001 (talk) 19:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@MOVIEFAN2001: I don't see anything confirming the Avatar movies. I see speculation about them being in 3D with denials from Cameron. I'm looking at the movies' articles themselves and the sources cited there. —C.Fred (talk) 19:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for that I had a feeling it would be shot in 3D but accidentally must of jumped to conclusions. We would just have to wait until an official trailer or something for Avatar 2 to see if we are right or not MOVIEFAN2001 (talk) 08:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Neck Face

Hi, I get that you are watching out for Vandalism, but the Neck Face page already had a banner for strange citations. I looked through, and put this on my edit summary, but the citations either did not support the claims on the page, were taken from interviews with the artist and that isn't allowed with Biographies of Living Persons, were from non notable sources, there was no trace of their existance, or generally read like a press release/hagiography. I spent a lot of time on that page and looked through everything and even fixed links. The reality is this artist probably deserves a page, but it needs to be a good page right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guard Dog One (talk • contribs) 17:37, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Çanakkale 1915 bridge

İnformation was correct but i misunderstood it at first sight and changed it to bridge's full length. İt would be cool to have it's full length added. Can you do it for me? Furukn (talk) 18:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

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