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Below are the top 25 AfD discussions which are most urgently in need of attention from !voters. The urgency for each AfD is calculated based on various statistics, including current number of votes, time until closing date, number of times relisted, overall discussion length, etc. This page is updated by a bot roughly every 6 hours, and was last updated on 06:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC).
- Kristian P. Lusardi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:CRIMINAL. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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Moveto Christian Lusardi and leave a redirect. More sources available when you search for his "other" name - Christian Lusardi. PsychoticIncall (talk) 11:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC) (I'm striking your duplicate vote as I assume the most recent one is your current opinion. Liz Read! Talk! 05:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC))
- PsychoticIncall, "Move" is not a possible AFD closure as it is an editing decision. If you are interested in that outcome, you have to vote to "Keep" and then have a Move discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 04:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Plenty of sources at his "other" name. PsychoticIncall (talk) 11:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Covet Fashion (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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lacks significant coverage from reliable sources, failing to meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Loewstisch (talk) 13:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete VICE is major significant coverage, and I found additional SIGCOV here in this physical book, but Venture Beat seems more like an interview/primary source. I am not seeing GNG being passed here. If others discover more, I am willing to change my opinion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I was able to find this article from Fortune, but it requires a subscription to read so I'm unable to assess if it's significant coverage or not. I also found another interview from Venture Beat and short coverage from Bleeding Cool about a New York Fashion Week update - I don't think these really demonstrate notability but they may be useful for a 'development' section if article is kept. Waxworker (talk) 02:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- keep the coverage in Fortune appears to be an article solely on the topic. The Vice article is clearly above the WP:N bar. The Bleeding Cool one is probably above the bar for "significant". That's 2 or 3 sources, all of which are solely focused on the topic. The other sources have decent information, but appear to be press releases or otherwise primary. Hobit (talk) 14:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Little significant coverage comfortably independent of the subject. The Fortune, VentureBeat and Vice articles provide significant coverage, but are interspersed closely with interviews and many read like profiles of the business achievements of their creator. The Fortune article reveals itself to be part of a "daily newsletter on the world’s most powerful women", and as you read you get the sense that all its information comes from the developer as the source, which flatters her immensely: "Like any good marketer, Ethington knows her product intimately". Gita Jackson of Vice recounts herself attending a Fashion Week event held by Covet and: surprise! Both she and Covet seem very keen to name drop sponsor fashion brand Badgley Mischka front and centre, as Fuchs says: "“I think Covet provides an opportunity for people to experience Badgley Mischka that wouldn’t otherwise have that opportunity". The other articles, like Bleeding Cool and Disney News, are ephemera around game updates. Needs something a little more evaluative and removed from the creators to suggest it's not held up by puff pieces. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 12:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- We agree that the coverage in those three sources is significant. Those sources are occasionally fawning but their coverage of the game is solidly over the bar AND found in mainstream media, something unusual for an app. We can add in things like [1] and lots of things like [2] (not in depth, but certainly showing the raw breadth of coverage). Hobit (talk) 19:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - the sources identified from Waxworker and even Zxcvbnm should be more than enough to pass GNG. They're clearly in-depth, relevant and provide more than enough info to expand this article. Also, I mostly disagree with the assertion that the sources are of dubious independence. While some of them do contain various statements and information from the creators themselves, they're also interspersed with plenty of secondary coverage akin to actual journalism.
- I think a pretty common misconception is that a source that uses primary info is inherently primary or non-independent in nature. Secondary sources are allowed to use these types of sources from a topic occasionally. What makes them truly secondary is the commentary and analysis of said sources, and I believe there's enough of both from the Fortune and Vice pieces to circumvent any concerns regarding their independence. Both sources clearly contextualize the game with the fashion industry while offering background info on the game's creation and creators. The Fortune piece may touch a bit more on the creator than the game, but it reveals pertinent and factual statements regarding its gameplay, style and freemium payment model, which is the type of encyclopedic coverage one would expect for any game.
- Also, Gita Jackson is a fairly reputable gaming journalist. Though journalists can sometimes be influenced by the people and topics they cover, this article seems like a long-form piece of investigative journalism. She doesn't shy away from explaining the game in relation to negative aspects of the fashion industry: "I think that Covet is fun, but I don't know if it's good for me. My relationship to the fashion industry is complicated in that I love beautiful clothes but am both lazy and tend towards cynicism... an industry that has driven women to eating disorders... relies on sweatshops to create their garments... historically racist on the runway..." Another common misconception is that an article has to be overly negative or critical about a company or product in order to count towards NCORP. There's a difference between offering praise to a topic or person and glazing over them like a puff-piece does, and while I can see how one would assume the latter here, I think stuff like this proves that it walks towards the former side of the runway.
- I've also yet to find evidence that the game's creators influenced these two publications such that they could cover the game in a fashionable light, akin to a truly non-independent source. It seems that there was editorial oversight that ensured the writers here had no vested interest in the game, its creators or the company itself.
- Finally, if editors are still unconvinced, maybe a search on Google Scholar should be enough to prove it - like this solid scholarly source (may also need TWL to access). PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep sources per Waxworker and Hobit seem more than sufficient, but the scholarly source PantheonRadience found puts it WELL over the top, with extended scholarly attention to the game (I have access to full text via University, so could check). More than meets WP:GNG
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- Joshua Beckley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to 2015 World Series of Poker: Subject only has notable coverage due to WP:1E, and without any additional RS covering him this should be redirected as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 21:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Other second-place finishers in the Main Event has qualified as notable (see f.e Steven Jones) and Beckley is atleast as notable as them. PsychoticIncall (talk) 08:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Eight Sleep (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Clearly a soft "infomercial" on WP that is not notable. Normchou 💬 20:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Sources 7 and 12 are product reviews, that don't appear to be paid promotional items. Why PC Mag is reviewing a bedding system is beyond me, but they're both RS per Source Highlighter, so are fine. I think we can establish notability with these and the other sources given. Oaktree b (talk) 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The topic is the company - the product reviews don't provide any in-depth "Independent Content" about the company. I'd also add that both those websites earn commissions from clicking on links, so not as independent as you might think at first, the websites are motivated to promote both the reviews and the click-thru traffic. HighKing++ 11:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Needs a bit of cleanup but I think the product is notable enough. Pablo (talk) 12:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability of the *company*. If someone believes the product is notable and wants to write an article about the product is is likely going to be under a different named article. HighKing++ 11:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I should probably start that topic at RSN I keep on not getting around to, but at present, I am still disinclined to accept affiliate marketing as satisfying ORGIND, and would therefore also recommend against an article on any of the products of this company, not having found any references meeting the criteria for those. Similarly, I could not find any qualifying coverage for the company itself, so I will have to go with delete. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- James Shaw Jr. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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James Shaw Jr. should be deleted because he does not meet Wikipedia's notability threshold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praiawart (talk • contribs) 16:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - The shooting itself, the saving of lives, and the subsequent awards and honors are the notability. I think it's worthy of keeping. Whether or not there needs to be editing might be a POV of how a person reads this. — Maile (talk) 00:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The way to fix this article so that it doesn't read like a straight violation of WP:1E (notable for only one event) would be to add more detail about Shaw did afterwards. We find out that he gets a lot of awards - OK. But the article doesn't tell us anything about what Shaw did with his fame, except for "consider" running for mayor of Nashville. Tell us what he's been saying publicly – has he taken any position on crime, police, or gun control, for example? Are there any reliable secondary sources discussing his life outside of the one big event and what he's been up to? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - there’s ongoing coverage after his one famous act. Bearian (talk) 02:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Abdul Samad Dawood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Little has changed in his fortunes since the last AFD eight months ago. He's still a successful and civic-minded businessman from a prominent Pakistani business family, and has worked at a high level for some notable companies. But on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. I couldn't find SIGCOV of him in English or Urdu, just passing mentions in articles about the companies and organisations he's worked for, nothing to bring it up to the standard of WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Wikishovel (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: If only he had appeared in a few dramas, even in tiny roles, his BLP might have been easily saved from deletion under WP:NACTOR! But it’s ironic that someone so important in Pakistan's business community doesn’t have enough coverage that meets GNG. Anyway, I’ll hold off on voting for now. PS. No offense to the nominator Wikishovel, who also has legitimate reasons for taking it to AFD. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Still not a slam dunk; outside of the Engro connection, there are no RS that discuss him and we only have source 13 that is helpful. Rest are yellow per Source Highlighter, so of moderate reliability. I still don't see/find much else we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 22:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The article follows the guidelines of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV as it demonstrates significant coverage in both Pakistani and international media, meeting WP:RS. As per WP:BASIC, “People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[5] and independent of the subject.[6]” Please feel free to check the sources, they meet all the mentioned criteria. Crosji (talk) 07:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Reuters is RS.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 14:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Reuters reference is indeed a reliable source, but that article is a summarised interview, and interviews are WP:Primary sources. Wikishovel (talk) 07:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable obscure business executive. Already deleted under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samad Dawood. I suggest to WP:SALT the topic because Dawood family won't stop paying these UPEs. 188.31.32.162 (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This statement clearly violates WP:AFDEQ by making personal remarks about the subject. Given this user's anonymity, it could potentially be part of a coordinated attack, possibly even Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry.
- Crosji (talk) 08:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Non-notable at this time. The sources that are not not primary/self-published, Reuters, Financial Post, The News, can be considered trivial mentions at most, but not significant coverage about Dawood. These sources are a better proof of notability for the corporation, Engro, not for Dawood himself. Prof.PMarini (talk) 08:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this is WP:V and there exist WP:NEXIST 202.141.250.250 (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)— 202.141.250.250 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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- Redirect to Dawood Hercules Corporation because he's prominent businessman serving on the board of various companies under Dawood Hercules Corporation. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
KeepThe references for this article are strong, even for a stub. The subject is a notable businessman in Pakistan with occasional public appearances. His notability is supported by coverage from reputable national newspapers and some international outlets. The first deletion discussion, with only one vote for deletion, appeared premature. Hence the new article has been improved with additional sources. While contributions are welcome, the arguments for deletion are not in line with policy. -Crosji (talk) 06:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strikethrough of second !vote: in an WP:AFD discussion, we get to post our recommendation just once. You're welcome to comment as much as you like. Wikishovel (talk) 07:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep: While there may not be extensive media coverage, the subject is undoubtedly an influential figure in Pakistan’s business community, as highlighted by Saqib and others above. The significance is evident through the inclusion in government advisory groups and recognized contributions. The cited sources, including interviews with reputable, independent global media, further reinforce the prominence. Instead of debating the subject’s notability, efforts would be better spent refining and improving the article.
- 202.141.250.250 (talk) 10:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strikethrough of second !vote: in an WP:AFD discussion, we get to post our recommendation just once. You're welcome to comment as much as you like. Wikishovel (talk) 11:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strikethrough of second !vote: in an WP:AFD discussion, we get to post our recommendation just once. You're welcome to comment as much as you like. Wikishovel (talk) 07:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The sources are solid. The fact that there is coverage from independent national newspapers support notability.
- 119.155.63.175 (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)— 119.155.63.175 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Note: Closing admin should disregard some IP votes, as it appears that canvassing may be influencing the outcome. --— Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting as I still don't see a consensus (even after disregarding second "votes" that were cast). A source review could be helpful as well as arguments based in policy. Opinions, both pro and con, based on who he is related to, are not useful to an AFD discussion.
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Redirect to Dawood Hercules Corporation. I was in the process of closing as such, but as we edit conflicted will just leave this as a !vote. He does not merit a standalone, but the target makes sense. Protect if needed against disruptive recreation. Star Mississippi 22:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment here's a source assessment, as suggested by Liz above in the relisting comment:
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Wikishovel
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| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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| Karachi School of Business & Leadership, "Mr. Abdul Samad Dawood"[3] | 
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profile page from a university of which he's on the board of governors
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✘ No |
| Engro Corporation "Engro Corporation 1H 2021 Results" [4] |
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A press release by his employer announcing compamy results, mentions him briefly in one paragraph
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✘ No |
| The Express Tribune "Summit highlights importance of girls’ education" [5] |
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Routine coverage of the International Women Leaders Summit, where he's mentioned in passing as an attendee
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✘ No |
| The Express Tribune "Corporate Corner" |
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a photo of six CEOs and CFOs at a conference, with Dawood and the other five mentioned in passing in the caption
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✘ No |
| Financial Post "Pakistan's Engro Looks To Invest In Other Developing Nations" |
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an article about Engro, with several quotes from an interview with Dawood
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✘ No |
| Pakistan Stock Exchange "Resignation of Director" [6] |
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Formal letter to the stock exchange announcing Dawood's resignation from Cyan in 2014
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✘ No |
| Pakistan Stock Exchange "Board Meeting - Election of Chairman and appointment of CEO, CFO and Company Secretary"[7] |
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Another formal letter to the stock exchange announcing Dawood's election as chairman of Cyan in 2022
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✘ No |
| Pakistan Stock Exchange "Change of CEO" [8] |
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Another formal letter to the stock exchange announcing Dawood's appointment as CEO of Dawood Hercules in 2014
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✘ No |
| Pakistan Stock Exchange "Appointment of CEO" [9] |
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Another formal letter to the stock exchange announcing Dawood's resignation as CEO of Dawood Hercules in 2016
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✘ No |
| Business School Lausanne "PEBBLES (PVT) Ltd.: “Building Hopes” " [10] |
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Case study by a business school on a subsidiary company of Dawood Hercules, where Samad Dawood is mentioned in three places as the parent company's CEO, e.g. " the organization’s sustainability perspective and the journey it took to transform the dream of Mr. Samad Dawood, the CEO of Dawood Hercules Corporation, into a reality"
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✘ No |
| The Express Tribune "Dutch company acquires Engro Foods for $446.81m"[11] |
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Article about another company taking over Engro Foods, with a quote from Dawood from the Engro press release.
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✘ No |
| Reuters "Pakistani conglomerate Engro looks to go global, its main investor says" [12] |
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Interview with Dawood about Engro, primary source
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✘ No |
| Pakistan Today " "Engro's Rs60 billion question" [13] |
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Article about the company, with several quotes from Dawood and some analysis of his role, meets SIGCOV.
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✔ Yes |
| Khaadi "Abdul Samad Dawood"[14] |
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A short director profile by his employer, primary source.
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✘ No |
| Pakistan Business Council "About PBC"[15] |
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Simply lists him as a board member.
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✘ No |
| Hub Power Company "Annual Report 2016"[16] |
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Annual report simply lists him as a board member, with a short bio.
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✘ No |
| Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited "Annual Report 2008"[17] |
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Annual report simply lists him as director, with a short bio.
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✘ No |
| The News International "In rare visit, top Pakistani business leaders meet US officials"[18] |
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Routine coverage of a trade delegation to the US, mentions him in passing as one of the eight members.
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✘ No |
| The Nation (Pakistan) "Inaugural meeting of Industrial Advisory Council held"[19] |
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Routine coverage of a government-backed business conference, mentions him in passing as one of the members attending.
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✘ No |
| Pakistan Today "Govt establishes Industry Advisory Council to develop industrial policy"[20] |
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More routine coverage of the government-backed business conference above, mentions him in passing as one of the members attending.
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✘ No |
| WWF–Pakistan "Annual report 2012"[21] |
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Listed on p. 56 in the list of board members
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✘ No |
| Business Recorder "WWF-P holds awards ceremony"[22] |
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Routine coverage of awards ceremony, briefly mentions Dawood and another member getting certificates of appreciation
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✘ No |
| ABC News (United States) "Titanic submersible victim’s deaths ‘brought the world together,’ Dawood family member says"[23] |
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Short interview with Samad Dawood on his grief following his brother's death in an accident, primary source. (Please see article for full URL: source assessment template doesn't work with full YouTube links with separators.)
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✘ No |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}. | ||||
Wikishovel (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I have just added an additional source from Bloomberg.com, a reputable and independent news outlet, further strengthening the subject’s notability. The table is impressive, though I am unclear why some quotes are not considered significant coverage, as they seem to meet GNG criteria:
- - The Reuters article is based on a direct interview with the subject.
- - The 2016 Express Tribune article by Salman Siddiqui, from one of Pakistan’s leading English-language newspapers, features prominent quotes from the subject.
- - Additionally, a university case study is inherently independent, so I wonder why this is being questioned. Crosji (talk) 11:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete Not every single businessman from Pakistan becomes notable just for being involve in a business inside Pakistan. BLP lacks significant coverage in reliable sources and by looking at image it seems it is a case of COI. 39.34.141.22 (talk) 09:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not sure why you haven't logged in yet, especially since you seem to have a deeper understanding than the average user. Check THIS VIDEO out to see that the involvement extends beyond Pakistan. - Crosji (talk) 10:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Agree with Wikishovel's table above - I think Profit's article is about Engro so I would not count it as significant coverage about Dawood (I only found a few quotes from him in that article). 202.47.50.250 (talk) 04:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Procedural relist to rescue lost AfD
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Keep Article is notable enough to meet WP:GNG Tesleemah (talk) 16:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – Article has sufficient WP:PRIMARY and meets the criteria of WP:GNG
- 221.120.201.170 (talk) 05:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC) — 221.120.201.170 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete per nom. UPE concerns are real and definitely hired guns using new accounts are voting keep here. @Wikishovel:'s analysis is fine. 185.189.253.223 (talk) 11:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — 185.189.253.223 (talk) has made only anonymous edits suggesting the removal of this and a few other topics.
- Pinging all participants of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samad Dawood which resulted in delete: @Nosebagbear:, @MelvinHans:, and @Bearian:. 185.189.253.223 (talk) 11:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per the analysis by Wikishovel. Thanks for the ping. Only one source contributes to the subject’s notability, yet several sources add to the company’s notability. Bearian (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- VTES 3rd Edition (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Outside MtG, individual sets of CCGs are almost never notable, and I don't see why this should be an exception. Maybe merge the mention of awards to Vampire: The Eternal Struggle if it is not there and redirect this per WP:ATD-R? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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Google scholar has no sources and neither does the Turkish article Chidgk1 (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Seems to fail WP:GNG, I was only able to find passing mentions in Bianet. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete no sources at all. Xegma(talk) 18:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - again, lack of references is not on its own a criteria for deletion. The article as it exist right now doesn't fully explain the nature of the group. TÜM-İGD is the youth wing of the TKP (1920) (ex Ürün Sosyalist Dergi, one of the main remnants of the old Communist Party of Turkey and as such, unrelated to the current Communist Party of Turkey). It's a nationwide movement, that is notable in its own right. I note material on 2012 May Day, 2010 YÖK action (the Bianet coverage mentioned above would have been for https://bianet.org/haber/students-take-the-streets-on-30th-anniversary-of-yok-133750 for 2011 protest presumably). Here coverage in Yeni Dünya, here coverage on 2006 protests in Hurriyet, Evrensel, Milliyet, Cumhuriyet, Yeni Safak, etc, etc. Most of coverage is coverage on various protests of the group over the past years. --Soman (talk) 18:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)- delete / merge - There is a much better written page for Progressive Youth Association, which I take to be the same organisation given that one of the the best links given by Soman is to the same organisation magazine for both. There seems to be the perennial problem of that source not being independent, but it seems likely that Soman or another editor might be able to fix that if they do their best to search out independent news sources in Turkish which would be more difficult for us non-Turkish speakers. With an organisation of this age I have to believe that they exist, and as Soman says, the criteria is that sources exist, not that they are cited currently in an article. I see no point keeping this clearly inferior article though, when a better one on the same topic exists.
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- Delete and do not merge. I think Soman is conflating two different groups. From my understanding of the equivalent articles on the Turkish Wikipedia (thank you, Google Translate), the All Progressive Youth Association claims the legacy of the Progressive Youth Association, but they aren't the same group because the Progressive Youth Association was banned in the 1970s and the All Progressive Youth Association was founded in the 2000s. It's worth noting that the notability of the modern group is questioned on the Turkish Wikipedia as well. The only defence offered so far is of the original group, not the subject of the article in question. Yue🌙 21:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. mikeblas (talk) 13:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. Weakly defined inclusion criteria. mikeblas (talk) 14:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Why isn't the list notable as a group? There are other arenas of similar size listed that have similar lists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_events_by_venue Jasonstru (talk) 17:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- This list isn't notable as a group because it fails WP:NLIST. WP:OTHERSTUFF doesn't mean this is notable. (Also, note that many in that category have been already nominated for deletion.) -- mikeblas (talk) 18:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. Weakly defined inclusion criteria. mikeblas (talk) 14:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. mikeblas (talk) 14:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. mikeblas (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. No inclusion criteria, very weak referencing. mikeblas (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. Stated inclusion criteria does not match title. mikeblas (talk) 15:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. Contains only events since the end of 2019, only concerts. Completely unreferenced. mikeblas (talk) 14:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Hello, mikeblas,
- For policy, see WP:NOQUORUM. Basically, Soft Deletion is treating an AFD discussion with low attendance as a PROD, proposed deletion. They are seen as uncontroversial deletions and if an AFD closes as a Soft Deletion, this allows an editor to ask for the article's restoration at WP:REFUND. AFD closures are not eligible for a Soft Deletion if a) there are any Keep votes (hence deletion is not uncontroversial) or b) an article has been PROD'd before or brought to AFD before. Does this explain things sufficiently? Many AFDs that have been relisted but have no participation or just one editor arguing for "Delete" are closed as Soft Deletions. It can be seen as preferable to additional relistings which may or may not result in additional participation. Liz Read! Talk! 01:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. I hadn't heard of that AfD outcome before. But your note is confusing; isn't every AfD "already at AFD"? Therefore, none would ever be eligible for "Soft Deletion". -- mikeblas (talk) 09:59, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the explanation. I hadn't heard of that AfD outcome before. But your note is confusing; isn't every AfD "already at AFD"? Therefore, none would ever be eligible for "Soft Deletion". -- mikeblas (talk) 09:59, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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Never actually took implementation stages. Politician dream. WP:TOOSOON. No developments from a very long time. Also this article says no metro to Visakhapatnam.- https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/politics/040821/no-vizag-vijayawada-metro-rail-for-now.html. Thewikizoomer (talk) 05:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Lots of speculations within the article as well. Thewikizoomer (talk) 05:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete much of this seems to be copied from a promotional brochure. A planned project can be notable but I don’t think we’ve reached that threshold. Mccapra (talk) 11:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Article only has one source, and it does not say anything about the election in 2028. CycloneYoris talk! 03:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Thought about a redirect but I really couldn't find a suitable target. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- redirect to Northern Territory Legislative Assembly maybe? otherwise yeah delete Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move to Next Northern Territory general election. No point in deleting the page when it will only need to be remade again. Viatori (talk) 08:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move to Next Northern Territory general election or keep, for the same reasons as Viatori. --SHB2000 (talk) 00:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Neutral on keeping the article, but just wanted to say that the suggestions of moving it to Next Northern Territory general election are misplaced. "Next" is used in election article titles when the date of the next election is uncertain. However, Northern Territory has fixed-term parliaments and the next election must take place in 2028, so the current title is correct. Number 57 01:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- 'Keep since the previous election cycle is over and there is now verifiable information about the next. In terms of naming, the 2008 Northern Territory general election indicates that elections can be called early? Has something changed on a constitutional level? -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete TOOSOON and page recreation in 2027 when it's appropriate is not that hard. Nate • (chatter) 16:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per Nate, too soon - recreate much closer to the date when it’s not just speculation. Absurdum4242 (talk) 13:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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Lakana presents this term as representing a specific type of watercraft (an outrigger canoe) with a specific type of rig (the "downwind" mastless rig that is supported between two sprits). This specific type of craft does exist – it is shown in the photo illustrating the article. However, in Malagasy, as far as I can determine, the word "Lakana" is any type of canoe, with or without outriggers, with or without a sailing rig, and certainly not confined to just one type of sailing rig. This is clear from the reference in the article
Hornell, James (1920). "67. The Common Origin of the Outrigger Canoes of Madagascar and East Africa". Man. 20: 134–139. doi:10.2307/2839454. Retrieved 5 September 2024.
which has a translation provided by a colonial administrator confirming that "lakana" is not a specific type of canoe, but a canoe (or boat) in general. Hornell is still seen as a useful authority on the ethnography of sailing craft in the areas in which he worked. If the word applied to a particular hull and rig combination, he would have picked up on this.
I have asked for help on the Wikiproject Madagascar[24] with no result. Therefore, I think we have to conclude that these concerns about the article are correct. If "lakana" is a much broader term than the article suggests, if we do not the name of the type of craft that the article describes (I can find no source that makes this clear), then the only option is to delete the article as unsupported by sources.
In passing, it is worth saying that I have come to the conclusion that though the subject of traditional sailing craft in Madagascar would make a very interesting (to me) article on Wikipedia, there simply are not sufficient sources to do the subject justice. This is after some considerable searching. (It would be great to be proved wrong in this.) ThoughtIdRetired TIR 13:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this is the second AfD nomination for Lakana, but the first related to a company not a type of boat. TSventon (talk) 14:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. In terms of:
- Scope. To my read, the article doesn't state (at least not directly as interpreted by the nominator) that the article "
presents this term as representing a specific type of watercraft (an outrigger canoe [of Madagascar]) with a specific type of rig
". Rather it states (as would appear to be supported by Hornell (1920; p.138) and Richardson (1887; p.345)) that the Lakana is (yes) a specific type of watercraft. Being an outrigger canoe. That is "dug out". Rather than "built". IE: A "specific type of watercraft (a dugout outrigger canoe [of Madagascar])
". Which is supported by Richardson in particular. Yes, the article mentions different types of rigging. But I don't read it as stating that the rigging type is part of the definition/classification. If that is unclear, I would suggest that we clarify or change the text. Rather than delete the article. - Sources. To my mind, there are sufficient sources (including the two above) to support some text about the subject. Being a type of dugout outrigger traditionally used in Madagascar. Even if just as a sub-set / sub-section of the Pirogue article. Which appears to cover the "generic" class of small dugout canoe. Globally. With a redirect left behind. To a subsection on the Madagascan type.
- Suggested action. If the issues with the title are scope (including clarity of the text) or sources (reflecting them), I'm not sure that outright deletion is the right way to go. Deletion isn't cleanup. At the very least, a merge/redirect seems like the way to go. To Pirogue. Leaving out any "questionable" or potentially confusing text.
- Scope. To my read, the article doesn't state (at least not directly as interpreted by the nominator) that the article "
- My 2x cents at any rate. Guliolopez (talk) 19:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment.
- Translation: The key issue is whether Lakana is a term for "outrigger canoes which are based on a dugout hull" or if it applies to "any dugout canoe". The two sources discussed above seem to give the definition of an unqualified "dugout canoe". At present the article is solely about the outrigger version. To assist in decision-making on the meaning, see this video[25] with the caption "Miandry ny lakana miampita" which google translates as "The boat is waiting to cross". We can see there is no outrigger. (Whilst OR is not allowed for article content, there is no prohibition on using it to help understand a subject.) The boat in the video is very different from the seagoing outrigger canoes.
- What makes this more difficult is the knowledge that the Vezo make use of outrigger canoes with a distinctive common spritsail rig (as defined by Edwin Doran [26], pg 40, fig 21, drawing B) that is not described, in Madagascar, by Hornell or anyone else. (Hornell describes this rig in the neighbouring Comoro Islands[27]) A Vezo boat is the one illustrating the Pirogue article – but there is no RS that identifies the rig type. And, of course, Commons has no obligation for its descriptions of pictures to be supported by an RS. This might contribute to the impetus for deletion in this editor's mind (as proposer), as there is a very common class of Madagascan dugout outrigger canoe that is totally undescribed in RSs, so making the subject incomplete. (See youtube[28] for these Vezo craft under sail, which is something that most believe Hornell never saw). All I have to back this thought up is some private correspondence with a researcher on Austronesian rigs – so essentially WP:OR.
- If I understand User:Guliolopez correctly, their suggestion would mean a complete rewrite of the article to fit the sources and then merge it into Pirogue. That would fit with the intent behind the proposal: that we do not really have enough sourced material for an article on the Lakana on its own. Have I got this correct? ThoughtIdRetired TIR 21:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Reply. Hi ThoughtIdRetired. RE: "
suggestion would mean a complete rewrite of the article to fit the sources and then merge it into Pirogue
". Effectively, yes, I think that's probably the most appropriate outcome. Retain the title. As a redirect. And summarise and merge the content/text (about the Lakana being a form of Pirogue/dugout traditionally associated with Madagascar) into the Pirogue article. Guliolopez (talk) 14:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. (Note: prior to the AfD nomination, I had suggested to the nominator that they put this up for deletion.) My take on the current sources etc. is that none of them indicate that the lakana is anything other than the Malagasy for a canoe. My interpretation of each source etc. below:
- "The lateen rig allows a lakana to sail closer to the wind, so giving some windward performance.[1]”
- My interpretation: Doesn't indicate that the lakana is something different.
- "The boat is often referred to by the general French term "pirogue", which can include boats with no outriggers.[2]"
- My interpretation: “general French term” suggests there's nothing special about the lakana.
- “The technology was adapted in neighboring East Africa, like the Tanzanian ngalawa and the Fulani laana.[3][4]”
- My interpretation: Can't access these sources, but the Wikipedia wording suggests that there are similar craft elsewhere - i.e. there's nothing peculiar to Madagascar about these.
- “some locals prefer the Hazomalany wood (Hazomalania voyronii of the family of Hernandiaceae).[5]”
- My interpretation: Doesn't indicate that the lakana is something different.
- Hornell, James (September 1920). “The Common Origin of the Outrigger Canoes of Madagascar and East Africa”
- My interpretation: Only indicates that “lakana” is simply the Malagasy for “canoe”.
- Richardson, J (December 1887). “The Affinities Of Malagasy With The Melanesian Languages”
- My interpretation: Only indicates that “lakana” is simply the Malagasy for “canoe”.
- “An Austronesian square-sail is more common (e.g. in Ambaro Bay).[a]”
- My interpretation: Doesn't indicate that the lakana is something different.
- "The lateen rig allows a lakana to sail closer to the wind, so giving some windward performance.[1]”
- --A bit iffy (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete, as there is very little material in this article that can be merged into Pirogue. On going through this in detail, there are perhaps three sentences to add to Pirogue from this article. (The tree species used for the sailing versions, the "lakana" is the Malagasy for pirogue, and that this word applies to dug out canoes, with or without outriggers and with various rigs. We cannot say more as the sailing rigs are incompletely described by sources.) Lakana would just remain as a redirect. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 21:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Kay-Anlog, Calamba (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails notability WP:GEOLAND, Barangays are not considered being notable. Please see here the similar deletion (which is converted the redirect), for more details. TentingZones1 (talk) 08:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. HueMan1 (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Calamba,_Laguna#Barangays per WP:ATD --Lenticel (talk) 02:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Some other deletion discussions mostly were kept. This article is in good shape and has a lot of information, hence keep.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗11:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC) - Comment: When becomes as a redirect, Calamba,_Laguna#Barangays. Makes it some knowledge about this barangay. Soft deletion if not redirected, resulting the article links were comes in various articles, which is problematic due of lack of sources. When the vote changed in keep, unless the reliable sources and information are available for this article. TentingZones1 (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Final relist. User:TentingZones1, I see three outcomes you are arguing for which makes it difficult to know what your ultimate choice is. And as I stated, in my previous relisting statement, this AFD is not eligible for Soft Deletion.
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- Engschrift (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Initially PRODed by me, for the following reason:
In addition to the existing relying on a single source and vagueness issues (likely due to translation), the information in the article could easily be included onto the existing articles – DIN 1451, Austria (typeface), Tern (typeface) and Road signs in Austria – with the provision of sources, weakening the article's basis.
Deletion was objected, a merged was proposed instead. However, it is not possible to redirect one article to 3 others. Created a topic at WikiProject Typography over 4 months ago with no response. The article has no notability on its own, and is poorly written/explained. EthanL13 | talk 22:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts, Transportation, and Austria. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is covered in DIN 1451 in more detail than is here. Nothing in that article gives me the impression that a separate article on DIN 1451 Engschrift would be needed. I did search and Engschrift is always defined together with DIN 1451. Lamona (talk) 02:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion,
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- Merge to DIN 1451, by condensing the Austria section into a single sentence and placing it under DIN_1451#Usage_examples (this is sourced - the article's only source refers to this). There is certainly no justification for a standalone article, as the target article provides better coverage for every other aspect. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it is in this case, as the article makes clear. The term should lead the reader somewhere. Do you have more general redirect targets in mind? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the article is much to go by – it can't even stick to its own subject in the lead. If it were possible, a disambiguation page (with DIN 1451 as its primary article) would be ideal, with links to Austria (typeface), Tern (typeface) and FE-Schrift. Just an idea, not sure if it's possible. EthanL13 | talk 09:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it is in this case, as the article makes clear. The term should lead the reader somewhere. Do you have more general redirect targets in mind? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Anything as long as it's deleted. I recommend making it a redirect to Font#Width, the content can be spread out in the relevant articles if it is of any interest. Mr.choppers | ✎ 18:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: We now have several closure suggestions including Delete, Merge and Redirect with different target articles mentioned.
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- List of entertainment events at the Golden 1 Center (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. Significant referencing problems. mikeblas (talk) 15:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Entertainment, Events, Lists, and California. Skynxnex (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep: These three sources (all independent, secondary, and reliable) collate entries of this list topic together as a group, thus satisfying WP:NLIST criteria. Left guide (talk) 21:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- These are just schedules (and they only cover 2024), so they don't satisfy WP:NLIST because they're not significant coverage. -- mikeblas (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- You have a point; I hadn't previously inspected the sources in that manner, but now I have. In that light, delete. Left guide (talk) 23:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- These are just schedules (and they only cover 2024), so they don't satisfy WP:NLIST because they're not significant coverage. -- mikeblas (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting, already at AFD so not eligible for Soft Deletion,
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- List of entertainment events at Canada Life Centre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. mikeblas (talk) 15:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Entertainment, Events, Lists, and Canada. Shellwood (talk) 16:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting, already at AFD so Soft Deletion is not an option.
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- Delete. Don't see any sources discussing this set of events as a group, so ultimately this article violates WP:NOR and fails WP:NLIST. (I also don't see any meaningful navigational value per WP:LISTPURP.) Obviously, notable acts can be discussed at the main page for Canada Life Centre. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- List of entertainment events at the Araneta Center (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. mikeblas (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Entertainment, Events, Lists, and Philippines. Shellwood (talk) 16:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting, already at AFD so Soft Deletion is not an option.
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- Delete. Don't see any sources discussing this set of events as a group, so ultimately this article violates WP:NOR and fails WP:NLIST. (I also don't see any meaningful navigational value per WP:LISTPURP.) Obviously, notable acts can be discussed at the main page for Araneta Center. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- List of entertainment events at Kia Forum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. mikeblas (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Entertainment, Events, Lists, and California. Shellwood (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, already at AFD so Soft Deletion is not an option.
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- Delete. Don't see any sources discussing this set of events as a group, so ultimately this article violates WP:NOR and fails WP:NLIST. (I also don't see any meaningful navigational value per WP:LISTPURP.) Obviously, notable acts can be discussed at the main page for Kia Forum. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)