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Goal: 7,500 or fewer Stub-Class articles

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I have been wondering if it would be beneficial to have something like a project subpage or taskforce page to assist with the goal of expanding stub articles to get them to start or better. I feel like it would help have such a centralized place to list the stub articles with the most potential in terms of how many sources have been found online but are not currently being used (or used much) in the article.

For example:

  • Sources are listed on the talk page or in the External links
  • Sources are noted on trusted external websites such as MobyGames or World of Spectrum
  • Sources are listed in a reviews table in the article but not anywhere else
  • Sources were found in a previous AFD or merge discussion

This would specifically list just the stubs where known sources have been identified and found online but not yet put to use, which would help any users with the time and interest in building up articles (especially if they don't find the sources themselves) and such a list would give users a direction to focus on.

I for one would be super extra happy to start forming such a list, checking to see which stub articles for games have sources that need to be implemented and thereby de-stub the articles. BOZ (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So to give an idea of what I am looking for, I started looking through the stub articles and found that the following articles about games have sources listed on the talk page or in the article itself, sufficient enough to easily expand the article beyond stub class or better:
I already stated that I wouldn't mind creating such a list, but the question is what would be the most helpful way to organize it? Alphabetically? By publication date? Platform? Something else? BOZ (talk) 08:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I actually made a for-funsies list of articles I was interested in improving as part of de-stubbification for whenever I'm in the mood for it: [1] - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 10:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh nice, so a list like this could definitely be useful then. :) I'll construct it as I find the time, probably on a user page for now. BOZ (talk) 14:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why I was expecting anything other than lust on the cover for 7 Sins... I opened it... currently in a sanctuary...
By platform seems the most helpful because I find people target articles to work on based on that parameter, but cross-platform and PC releases make this impossible to track. I suggest by publication date, which should give a rough idea to the user what generation of consoles they're in for example.
I like taking on stubs sometimes only if it's possible to greatly expand, because that's the most fun part for me. Games like Good Job! and Animal Crossing Plaza are games I have never played but were intriguing enough for me to work on. If a list were to exist I would definitely browse it, and whether or not I pick up something is up to what's there. I understand you're an absolute machine when it comes to this stuff BOZ, and like the machine you are you don't mind the labor(!, this would drive me nuts), but if I can help with anything let me know. We ought to give you a hand for all the work you do for the project. Panini! • 🥪 14:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK sounds good, I will aim towards listing them by age because some people definitely have a preferred focus on that. :) It may take some time to put this together, but we'll see. Thank you for the kind words! Good luck with the Donkey Kong GA review! BOZ (talk) 15:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I created User:BOZ/vg stubs to use as a sandbox page, listing the games in order by date of initial release, which would help draw people to the eras they are most comfortable working in. Anyone can feel free to make reasonable edits to this page. When I have finished it, whenever that is, I can make a page more like the one that Hahnchen listed below, and maybe we can link both from the main page or some other highly noticeable area? BOZ (talk) 06:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I went through the Nintendo Task Force stubs and added the articles with sources on their talk pages. Most of them don't, so from that point I'll probably go back around and add the source lists myself before adding the entries to your list. Panini! • 🥪 17:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome!  :) Thanks! BOZ (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found tons of sources for Action Fighter, added them to the talk page. BOZ (talk) 13:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone through the first 200 pages in the stub category, and added 72 of them to my sandbox page User:BOZ/vg stubs. Hopefully that gives an idea of what kinds of short articles can be more readily expanded versus those where hunting for more sources would be required. BOZ (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was working my way through this, but lack of access to the Internet Archive has slowed my progress considerably. :( BOZ (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like the Internet Archive is working again? BOZ (talk) 05:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, most links still work if you already had them, but the search function remains down. :( BOZ (talk) 13:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Going to try to get moving on this again soon, now that IA appears to be fully functional again. :) BOZ (talk) 14:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

High traffic stubs

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I published a list of the most popular video game stub articles over the last month at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/High traffic stubs.

I recently returned to Wikipedia (not committing to anything, just dabbling again) and was thinking of where contributions would have most impact. Stubs seemed to be low hanging fruit, and coupled with traffic statistics - we can see where our readers want our attention to be. A lot of articles on that list probably aren't even stubs any more, so there should be some easy wins for a bit of admin. There's a lot of WP:RECENTISM in that list, but I'm sure there are some perennially popular pages that could do with some attention. For someone without clear editing goals, I think the list could be useful.

I probably won't maintain it, but if it's helpful, I hope someone can just refresh the numbers every month. Why not add it to the mostly empty left hand side of Template:WPVG announcements? - hahnchen 21:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea too. :) BOZ (talk) 02:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
High traffic stubs updated with October figures. I couldn't find a good way of comparing September to October data other than just skimming through them on multiple browser tabs. There is definitely commonality between months, these will be the articles where edits will make most impact. - hahnchen 15:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Longest stubs

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Another page worth publishing periodically would be the largest pages in Category:Stub-Class video game articles. This would require Wikipedia:Database queries which I am not familiar with. - hahnchen 17:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's something to consider. BOZ (talk) 16:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hahnchen: Here's the query and resulting data: https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/87337
The query pulls the top 100 pages in the "Stub-Class video game articles" category sorted by the "page_len" attribute, which is the uncompressed length in bytes of the page's source text.[2] Not as accurate as character count, but its a close approximation. Hope it helps. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@Guyinblack25: This query sorts it by talk page length. - hahnchen 10:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Sorry about that. I forgot that Categories are populated by Talk pages. I updated the query to pull the info on pages only in the Main namespace. https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/87337 The caveat about the length of the source text still holds true.
PS- I did the query in a kinda roundabout way, so someone with more knowledge of Wikipedia tables/queries might want to update it to be more efficient. Regardless, hope it helps. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]

@Hahnchen: I removed the special naming of the page length attribute, which looked like it was messing up the sorting before it grabbed the top 100. Should be more accurate now. After a brief inspection, it seems many of these are no longer stubs. For anyone inclined, reassessing them to their proper quality rating (Start, C, or B) could help make good headway towards the goal. (Guyinblack25 talk 22:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]

@Guyinblack25: I saw the initial error a few days ago and published a query using the same logic at Quarry:query/86269, thanks. - hahnchen 12:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I published a list of the 250 longest stubs at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Longest stubs. Many of these articles are clearly not stubs. These are prime candidates for re-assessing, and doing so will make clear inroads towards the project goal. - hahnchen 12:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several of those largest pages are people with lists of works and about a paragraph about the person themselves. Probably just reassess as start for the lot and move on? Izno (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Echoes of Mana

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For anyone interested, ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ just created an article for Echoes of Mana. This means my attempt to complete/maintain the Mana GT is now...frozen, for lack of a better word. I don't have the time or energy to dedicate, so...yeah. If anyone wants to take on Echoes of Mana in case ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ doesn't, the sources for it are on its talk page already. (pinging PresN so maybe they can find someone, because while Visions of Mana was something I was fascinated by, Echoes of Mana is not.) ProtoDrake (talk) 22:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (October 28 to November 10)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 17:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Skipped last week, so have a double-dose! --PresN 17:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The audacity to delete Pink Yoshi. Panini! • 🥪 18:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Video Game draft

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There is a draft of a video game subject at Draft:Luigi death stare that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have created a sandbox for the subject Luigi which featured a section that discusses the meme. Also I did try to see whether or not the meme is notably enough for its own article however, due to the sources, I decided to merge it with my Luigi sandbox for now. NatwonTSGTALK 01:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be an insanely hard sell that this would be notable separate of Luigi. I don't think it became that big of a meme that WP:OVERLAP wouldn't apply. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at RSN

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There is currently a discussion being held at WP:RSN about whether or not denofgeek.com ([3]) qualifies as a reliable source. Feel free to chime in with your thoughts here. JeffSpaceman (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's the policy on photographs of copyrighted works?

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User:Quidama recently uploaded File:Dawntrail Promotional Mural.png for use at Dawntrail under a non-free license. This is a photograph that they took of IP-protected characters owned by Square Enix. In this case, the mural is an advertisement commissioned by Square Enix itself (not sure if this matters). I have a few related questions here.

  1. Is this the correct license? Why should this be tagged as non-free instead of a free license?
  2. What's the difference between this case and, say, File:Cosplay of Tifa Lockhart by Miduki Hoshina at Tokyo Game Show 20140918.jpg, which is a cosplay photo? It's an image of an IP-protected character so why is it not subject to the same/similar non-free license considerations? This one happens to be from an official promotional event (again, not sure if this matters), but I also see fan cosplay photos under free licenses.
  3. What are other situations/considerations for photographs of copyrighted things where it's ok to upload them under a free license?
  4. And as a side issue, if the Dawntrail promo mural image is correctly tagged as non-free, does the Dawntrail article pass WP:NFCC#3a given that there are already 2 other non-free images in the article (box art and characters art). If it's determined that it can be uploaded under a free license, then this question is moot.

Axem Titanium (talk) 00:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

US has a freedom of panorama that only covers buildings and architects (that those can be treated as free if taken from a public space). 3D and 2D art do not qualify, so that means is the 2D art copyrightable, which it absolutely is, and it is not treated as de minimus (the artwork is the focus of the photograph), so it has to be treated as non-free.
Cosplay is treated differently and is far more complex, per c:COM:COSTUME. --Masem (t) 01:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This may be of use, but this image got past the issue by being zoomed out and slightly blurring the copyrighted part. You can still make out it's Kasumi on the side of the building for the article's thumbnail, but the image remains free use as a result with the provision that cropped versions may require special considerations.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, that seems to conflict with c:COM:De minimis#Guidelines when it's being used to illustrate the copyrighted concept as the primary focus (e.g. example #5). The image itself is fine if it was being used to illustrate the Sofmap building since the copyrighted image is incidental to that use. But on the Kasumi article, I think it may stop being de minimis??? This is far from my expertise. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, de minimis can be vague like that, and I would agree that using that on Kasumi, even with the blurring, may be questionable (as well as how much help does that really give for the article?) Masem (t) 19:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly I'm not sure myself, it's a holdover from Niemti's work on the thing, but it seemed the closest thing to what Axem was after that hasn't been nuked off commons.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for removing it. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everybody's Golf

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Is there really a strict adherance to the DMY date format for Japanese games? Most games developed in the region fend to use the MDY date format, but the Everybody's Golf series' articles seem to rigidly follow the DMY formula. I don't think there is a specific guideline that demands it, and I don't see any problems from changing it as it definitely was not be controversial other than that it had been used for a while.@X201 MimirIsSmart (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, there isn't. The guideline is MOS:ENGVAR. Unless the topic has a strong national tie (it doesn't) to a specific format or an exceptional rationale, it should retain the existing format. czar 16:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And keep in mind WP:DATERET - don't go switching the established date without consensus. Masem (t) 19:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As Masem said above WP:DATERET, don't change date formats without consensus. Now to turn your question around: Were you right to make blanket date changes to the vast number of Japanese articles you have edited, to adhere to MDY without discussion? No, you weren't. Also whatever script you are using, can you please get it to function correctly and add a line break after the date template and not leave the first line of the infobox hanging off the end of another line. e.g.{{Use mdy dates|date=November 2024}}{{Infobox video game - X201 (talk) 08:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll take that into note. Also I don't use scripts. MimirIsSmart (talk) 08:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Deadlock (video game)#Requested move 31 October 2024

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Deadlock (video game)#Requested move 31 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 22:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Kern

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Can anyone keep an eye out for an article about Mark Kern? It seems that it has become too interesting to anonymous users who either vandaliz it or add random/fresh tweets from Mark with their own ratings as the last anonymous user. Solaire the knight (talk) 09:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you request page protection?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if this is enough, because in similar cases last time I was told that it was not enough. Solaire the knight (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (November 11 to November 17)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 17:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 11

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missing Jonny Quest: Curse of the Mayan Warriors. Timur9008 (talk) 19:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added; sometimes it gets confused if you create a page and then move it immediately after. --PresN 17:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional resources for sources

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So this is something I've thought i'd share per my user page User:Timur9008#Websites_checked_for_information(Press_Releases,_links_to_reviews,_etc)

I've been working on this for more than 2 years now checking every URL (I try) for these websites. I don't use everything just the relevent bits but maybe other users will find use to incorporate other bits of game info into articles.

Almost all of these sites can be accessed via the Wayback Machine. Timur9008 (talk) 18:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GB Studio and classification of game platforms

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TL;DR Should browser games made using GB Studio be characterised as Game Boy games even if the release method and player base don't involve hardware at all?

Hey, I'd like some guidance on a minor issue I've seen in writing articles for games like Grimace's Birthday and He Fucked the Girl Out of Me. Many indie games are made using GB Studio, an engine that can be used to create Game Boy ROMs. However, the games are published and usually played as web games.

I've seen frequent edits where others would prefer to have the games characterised as a Game Boy game in the infobox, headline and content. I'm unsure about this as whilst I accept the software to create the game is consistent with and playable on a Game Boy, unless the game is released as a GB cartridge, the release platform is going to be the primary way that the game is released and playable by its audience.

Labelling these games as Game Boy games is maybe technically correct but misleading, in the sense that no GB Studio game is going to be an official or licensed Game Boy game. It can lead to confusion too: as with Grimace's Birthday, there was misreporting that the developer had released a game for the Game Boy Color, as if it were a new release for the handheld.

Appreciate any views. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well look at it from a different perspective. A game on a Switch or Playstation is for that system regardless of if it's digital or physical. The distribution method doesn't matter. And of course you can play a myriad of systems on an emulator, including a browser (there's plenty of places out there in the past and present to do this) -- which despite perhaps being a 'browser game' is what is being used. If a game is a GB ROM being run in an emulator, I fail to see how it's not a GB game regardless of whatever the primary distribution method is. It shouldn't matter if 'most' people won't, nor should the fact the distribution method one being digital matter either. The fact that the software itself is only playable on a Gameboy (which even with an emulator, is essentially what is happening) is what matters the most.♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 06:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the second opinion. The games are typically exported as HTML games or Windows executables and not played in emulators, although obviously they can be. Get your point though and no issue reframing things if I'm wrong. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 06:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having tried to build something in GB Studio myself, I would want to say that the Gameboy label is appropriate. The hardware limitations are very inherent to the type of game it is. I'm still on the fence, though, as they are indeed not really released like that...? Though GB Studio does really present itself as creating games for actual Gameboys. There's stuff for the linkcables and Gameboy camera in the engine as well, for example. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He Fucked the Girl Out of Me was released on itch.io as a .gb ROM image (besides the fact that it can be played directly as a browser game through emulation) so it is by all intents and purposes a Game Boy game. If it's something like a Unity game made with the aesthetics if not the limitations of the platform it is imitating, but is later backported to the platforms in question, it should be indicated as such. Blake Gripling (talk) 14:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, a "Gameboy game" has to be technically playable on Gameboy to qualify. Otherwise it's a browser or PC game. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like a reasonable and clear way forward. Just to clarify, GBStudio ROM files would play on a Game Boy if someone put them on a cartridge or loaded them into a home-brewed device. Even if a game didn't have a cartridge release, would you be comfortable saying they're Game Boy games? If so, seems pretty clear consensus to me. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As long as the ROM image could be sideloaded to a flash cartridge and run on real hardware, the classification stands. Heck, even just running it on an emulator still counts as they're re-implementing the original hardware in software. Blake Gripling (talk) 05:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, just making sure. Sounds like a non-issue then and can rewrite accordingly. Thanks for the input. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neo Geo Pocket

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The merge proposal is still open and needs more replies: Talk:Neo Geo Pocket Color. Sceeegt (talk) 00:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure what the stance on this is but I was wondering is it possible remove all GameFAQs links from external links and its usage as source for release dates? GameFAQs is user edited and users probably got their info from sources at the time. (such as Interviews, company sites, etc)

I'm curious what others think. If there are no objections I will start removing them and replace them with diffrent sources. Timur9008 (talk) 12:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and remove it. It's not reliable. See also this nearly 10 year old template deletion discussion. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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