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Claire Redfield (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

As of 21 November 2024, 12:40 (UTC), this page is active and open for discussion. An FAC coordinator will be responsible for closing the nomination.
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Nominator(s): 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 04:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a character from the Resident Evil game and film series; who is known for her red jacket and ponytail. The article recently received copyedits. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 04:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You forgot to add a template to the talk page for this. GamerPro64 02:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, missed it. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 03:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image is appropriately justified. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shapeyness

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Hi Boneless Pizza!, thanks for your work on the article! Here are some comments from a first read-through, mainly to do with style. Shapeyness (talk) 19:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Critics have positively responded to Claire's personality and as a strong female lead character. Should this be "and her role as a strong female lead character"?
Done
  • Several journalists also considered Claire significantly less sexualized than other female game characters; she was also cited as an example of a female character who was as competent and skilled as her male counterparts, though her costumes and design in the Resident Evil 2 remake were criticized. Minor one but imo this is a bit long and awkward (and repetitive), optionally might want to reword/restructure the sentence and/or split it up into a few shorter sentences
Done
  • Producer Michiteru Okabe believed that this was a good thing since it shows that he consider them to be entirely different personalities rather than simply their gender. Not the best worded, maybe something like would be better: Producer Michiteru Okabe reflected that they had not reduced the two characters to their gender and had instead given them unique personalities, which he felt reflected positively on the direction of the video game industry at the time.
Done
  • He also landed on the idea that the players can play multiple roles and stated that "it isn't two against the world, it's one against the world with a helper". Why is this relevant?
Done
  • Okabe also hinted that Claire's experience would be more traumatizing than other protagonists' as she is not prepared for such a situation This should mention that it is other protagonists in the Resident Evil franchise. The sentence also doesn't really explain why she isn't prepared for the situation or how this feeds into her design/characterisation.
Done
  • They were excited to do so because they really prefer Claire Previous sentence already mentions that they were a fan of the character so I don't think this is needed (it is also less encyclopedic in tone)
Done
  • Voice-over and live-action actresses section - maybe adding a picture for the live action actresses would be helpful, what do you think?
    I added only for it to be simple. Done. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • She encounters a young girl named Sherry Birkin in the Raccoon Police Department building, including the mutated scientist William Birkin. The bit after the comma doesn't make sense in this sentence I don't think so needs rewording
This one was removed so the sentence now makes sense, but William Birkin isn't introduced anymore. Would this work? She encounters a young girl named Sherry Birkin in the Raccoon Police Department building, who is being pursued by her father, the mutated scientist William Birkin. Shapeyness (talk) 13:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is. Changed 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 21:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • and finds the vaccine to let Sherry's scientist mother Annette Birkin cure her daughter before dying from her injuries The her in "before dying from her injuries" is ambiguous
I made some edits to this one, hopefully that is ok and feel free to change if I got anything wrong! One small change that is still needed: this paragraph doesn't mention that Sherry is infected before it says she is cured, which it should. Shapeyness (talk) 13:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added it. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 21:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made some more edits, I haven't played the game so if I get anything wrong please correct me! One thing I'm not sure about, do you know how Arnette is injured? The paragraph says "Annette dies from her injuries" but it doesn't say what injured her. Shapeyness (talk) 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boneless Pizza!: This one still needs looking at. Thanks! Shapeyness (talk) 19:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 22:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • director Paul W. S. Anderson and producer Jeremy Bolt decided to bring Claire into the film because they thought her inclusion was important Why did they think it was important?
This still says they thought including her was important, but doesn't say why they thought it was important to include her. Shapeyness (talk) 13:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I ended up removing it 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 21:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just read the source and realised it is a bit weirdly worded, I agree that removing it makes sense. Don't forget to re-add the first movie name though "Resident Evil: Extinction". Shapeyness (talk) 00:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I already added it. Any thoughts now or conclusion? 😊 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • She plays a major role in Resident Evil: Degeneration (2008), reuniting her with Leon I think this should be something like "in which she is reunited with Leon" or "where she is reunited with Leon".
Done
  • IGN editors and Kimberly Wallace of Game Informer both praised with Wallace stating that Claire is her favorite Resident Evil character Both praised what?
Done
  • as well as her portrayal in the horror game This is a bit vague
Done
  • An essay in Nadine Farghaly's Unraveling Resident Evil also compared Claire to the "typical trope" of "a virgin or tomboy" This might need explaining a bit more - why does the essay say this?
  • In general, I think the reception section could do a better job of identifying key themes from different writers and exploring them, atm it feels a bit directionless
    Hi Shapeyness. Thanks for the review. I already dealth with all of your concerns. Some of them have been removed. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding to my comments, I have added some more comments to help keep track. Shapeyness (talk) 13:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shapeyness Done. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 21:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Boneless Pizza!, thanks for all the changes you've made and sorry I've been busy for the last few days. I think the main area for improvement remains the reception section. Try to read through sources on Claire and figure out what the main themes are that different critics/journalists have agreed on or discussed, and try to group paragraphs together by theme. Also, can you check that the timeline "Resident Evil games featuring Claire Redfield" is accurate? Some of the games are not mentioned in the article. Thanks, Shapeyness (talk) 14:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shapeyness We don't put other RE games that are not canon and are remakes in the timeline per other FAs. I made a few changes from the reception section. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 22:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, maybe it's clearer if I list the ones I'm talking about: Resident Evil: Zombie Busters and Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles are in the timeline but not mentioned anywhere in the article. Shapeyness (talk) 18:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shapeyness Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles is not canon. Even a recenly promoted article, Ada Wong appeared but didn't include that appearance since its not canon. About Zombie Busters, done. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, can you remove Darkside Chronicles from the timeline, or add a citation for her appearance somewhere. Shapeyness (talk) 10:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shapeyness done removing it. You got conclusion now? 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 10:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is one more thing from the reception section: Other critics also praised her role as a strong female lead character, such as Syfy's Brittany Vincent, who described her a "good-looking video game heroine". The Syfy quote here isn't relevant to the point being made in this sentence, would suggest replacing it with this one "Claire is a strong-willed young woman who's tough as nails and ready to take on any challenge." I will try to do a final go-over of the article soon to make sure there isn't anything else, but hopefully almost there now! Shapeyness (talk) 20:14, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I made the changes Shapeyness, but removed the actor's image since I don't think adding it would be relevant for a flimsy actress section. wdyt? 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 22:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on prose, can't speak to comprehensiveness. One last thing: and plays a main role in the third novel in a series by S. D. Perry, Resident Evil: Caliban Cove (1999) the citation is to Perry's Resident Evil: City of the Dead. Shapeyness (talk) 14:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for spotting the typo, it should be City of the dead instead of caliban. Thanks for the review! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review from Crisco 1492

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  • She was given a tougher appearance in Resident Evil – Code: Veronica (2000), the reason being her experiences in Resident Evil 2 built her toughness and confidence to handle any situation. - Does the source also mention the interlude between the games where Claire is explicitly undertaking efforts to sabotage Umbrella? If I remember the game correctly, the reason she's captured at the beginning is because she was infiltrating the labs in France.
I cannot access the magazine so I ended up removing the source and the claim sadly. I couldn't also find dev info of Claire in code veronica. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I am able to acess it now and it doesn't mention what you were saying. Only the one that ive used after rephrasing it. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 16:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • James Baker - The RE Wiki claims that baker was a pseudonym, which makes sense. We should be able to find a source for this, somewhere, as otherwise the name may come as a surprise to readers
Done 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • clearing up after bioterrorism incidents - Clearing up or cleaning up? It's been a few years since I played this instalment.
I think clearing up is better since they're fighting the monsters and villains on the island. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the end, both of them survive, along with Barry, who arrived to look for them, and a little girl named Natalia Korda. - This is the canon ending... but I seem to recall that there is an alternative ending where Moira fails to overcome her fear of guns, and thus Claire is killed by a creature. (IGN goes into some detail, though I'm not sure if it meets the RS guidelines
Its unreliable. Also, It would be better if the appearance was based on canon imo. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Worth mentioning that the Claire skin was a DLC for DbD?
Done 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "defenseless little girl" - Might be worth contextualizing this as applying only to RE2, as Sherry takes a few levels in badass by the time she hits her twenties (i.e., Resident Evil 6).
Done. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conversely, Ravi Sinha of GamingBolt considered the character's design to be among the worst in video games, noting that her appearance is "quite odd" and stated that the developers should have kept her original design,[75] while feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian of Tropes vs. Women in Video Games criticized Claire's alternate costumes as too revealing, particularly the motorsport umbrella costume - Are they writing this in regards to RE2 remake, or in regards to Elza Walker? Definitely worth specifying.
Done 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, and made the changes Chris Woodrich. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Tintor2

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  • While I get the fact that some actors need sourcing I don't really feel that sourcing Chris in the infobox is needed as it's common knowledge with RE2 casually saying it.
Removed the sourcing 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 01:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The image of the voice actress could be moved to the left to avoid clashing with the rest of the article.
Done 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 01:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tintor2 Done everything. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 01:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Support Still. Maybe the free image could be moved to the films section due to the size. Tintor2 (talk) 01:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 01:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

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Going to throw the major caveat that I am relying on WP:VGRS rather heavily here. I see that TheGamer is flagged as reliable only after August 2020, and I wonder if this kind of information is better sourced to an official source. X is not the publisher and thus #7 needs to be rewritten; is the Twitterer a reliable source? #9, #50 and #51 likewise might work better with an official source from the games mentioned (ditto #61). Why does Edge get an ISSN? I am kinda iffy on GamingBolt given how sparse the information about their editing is. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced TheGamer into official source, removed the Twitter/X as a source and the claim since its just a minor thing to cite and the twitterer doesn't seem to be reliable. The Edge do indeed has ISSN, other FA article Jill Valentine also used this source. I removed the GamingBolt. BTW, #9 seems to be fine as is since it is cited from an animated film, while #50 and #51 can't be sourced officially since its from other games. I did removed #61 Jo-Jo Eumerus 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 10:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What I mean is that I expect that the companies/groups that make videogames or their adaptations to state that information themselves, so we don't need a secondhand source. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I reedited my reply too late. I'll repeat, #9 seems to be fine as is since it is cited from an animated film, while #50 and #51 can't be sourced officially since its from other games (her appearance was DLCs); I did replaced the source of #51 to a better one. I removed #61 source Jo-Jo Eumerus. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 10:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jo-Jo Eumerus just incase you forgot this. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do these other games have their own official sources? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They might, but that 2 appearances like Onimusha Soul and Dead by Daylight were DLCs so the source should be secondhand. That's how vg articles cite sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of longtime editors uses secondhand source instead of official source when it is from other game or franchise am I right Crisco 1492? 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess it depends on what the information is about. When it qualifies as analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis then we need the secondary sources. If otoh you are saying that a character was voiced by a particular person, the primary source (i.e the games and their producers) are the most reliable. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, if I am sourcing to a particular person/actor/actress then official source are valid to use; though if there are available secondary reliable sources, editors I think are advised to use it and the primary source/official source shouldn't be used excessively after seeing Jill Valentine's FAC. Thanks for understanding Jo-Jo Eumerus 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, as the other FACses note, sometimes the games themselves and their producers are underused. This is particularly a problem because many common secondary sources seem to be only so-so in terms of reliability. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm. I see what you mean, but since were talking about this 2 source from Dead by Daylight and Onimusha Soul, it should be secondary sources since Claire's appearance were downloadable content not originally Jo-Jo Eumerus.
. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could the DLC itself be used as a source, or do we need to specify that it's this Claire Redfield rather than some unrelated character with the same name? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. I am also not sure how to use official source of other games? this is my first time that I encountered like this situation. As far as I know if the character's appearance is in other games or dlc, we should use secondary source. Kung Fu Man I kinda need your opinion about this as an expert of video game characters. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that I think about it, having the source from the DLC is probably a nice-to-have rather than something mandatory. Granted, I might not be thinking clearly as I am doing my annual article update run at the same time... Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine. Thanks Jo-Jo Eumerus 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 21:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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