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Goal: 7,500 or fewer Stub-Class articles

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I have been wondering if it would be beneficial to have something like a project subpage or taskforce page to assist with the goal of expanding stub articles to get them to start or better. I feel like it would help have such a centralized place to list the stub articles with the most potential in terms of how many sources have been found online but are not currently being used (or used much) in the article.

For example:

  • Sources are listed on the talk page or in the External links
  • Sources are noted on trusted external websites such as MobyGames or World of Spectrum
  • Sources are listed in a reviews table in the article but not anywhere else
  • Sources were found in a previous AFD or merge discussion

This would specifically list just the stubs where known sources have been identified and found online but not yet put to use, which would help any users with the time and interest in building up articles (especially if they don't find the sources themselves) and such a list would give users a direction to focus on.

I for one would be super extra happy to start forming such a list, checking to see which stub articles for games have sources that need to be implemented and thereby de-stub the articles. BOZ (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So to give an idea of what I am looking for, I started looking through the stub articles and found that the following articles about games have sources listed on the talk page or in the article itself, sufficient enough to easily expand the article beyond stub class or better:
I already stated that I wouldn't mind creating such a list, but the question is what would be the most helpful way to organize it? Alphabetically? By publication date? Platform? Something else? BOZ (talk) 08:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I actually made a for-funsies list of articles I was interested in improving as part of de-stubbification for whenever I'm in the mood for it: [1] - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 10:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh nice, so a list like this could definitely be useful then. :) I'll construct it as I find the time, probably on a user page for now. BOZ (talk) 14:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why I was expecting anything other than lust on the cover for 7 Sins... I opened it... currently in a sanctuary...
By platform seems the most helpful because I find people target articles to work on based on that parameter, but cross-platform and PC releases make this impossible to track. I suggest by publication date, which should give a rough idea to the user what generation of consoles they're in for example.
I like taking on stubs sometimes only if it's possible to greatly expand, because that's the most fun part for me. Games like Good Job! and Animal Crossing Plaza are games I have never played but were intriguing enough for me to work on. If a list were to exist I would definitely browse it, and whether or not I pick up something is up to what's there. I understand you're an absolute machine when it comes to this stuff BOZ, and like the machine you are you don't mind the labor(!, this would drive me nuts), but if I can help with anything let me know. We ought to give you a hand for all the work you do for the project. Panini! • 🥪 14:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK sounds good, I will aim towards listing them by age because some people definitely have a preferred focus on that. :) It may take some time to put this together, but we'll see. Thank you for the kind words! Good luck with the Donkey Kong GA review! BOZ (talk) 15:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I created User:BOZ/vg stubs to use as a sandbox page, listing the games in order by date of initial release, which would help draw people to the eras they are most comfortable working in. Anyone can feel free to make reasonable edits to this page. When I have finished it, whenever that is, I can make a page more like the one that Hahnchen listed below, and maybe we can link both from the main page or some other highly noticeable area? BOZ (talk) 06:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I went through the Nintendo Task Force stubs and added the articles with sources on their talk pages. Most of them don't, so from that point I'll probably go back around and add the source lists myself before adding the entries to your list. Panini! • 🥪 17:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome!  :) Thanks! BOZ (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found tons of sources for Action Fighter, added them to the talk page. BOZ (talk) 13:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone through the first 200 pages in the stub category, and added 72 of them to my sandbox page User:BOZ/vg stubs. Hopefully that gives an idea of what kinds of short articles can be more readily expanded versus those where hunting for more sources would be required. BOZ (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was working my way through this, but lack of access to the Internet Archive has slowed my progress considerably. :( BOZ (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like the Internet Archive is working again? BOZ (talk) 05:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, most links still work if you already had them, but the search function remains down. :( BOZ (talk) 13:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

High traffic stubs

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I published a list of the most popular video game stub articles over the last month at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/High traffic stubs.

I recently returned to Wikipedia (not committing to anything, just dabbling again) and was thinking of where contributions would have most impact. Stubs seemed to be low hanging fruit, and coupled with traffic statistics - we can see where our readers want our attention to be. A lot of articles on that list probably aren't even stubs any more, so there should be some easy wins for a bit of admin. There's a lot of WP:RECENTISM in that list, but I'm sure there are some perennially popular pages that could do with some attention. For someone without clear editing goals, I think the list could be useful.

I probably won't maintain it, but if it's helpful, I hope someone can just refresh the numbers every month. Why not add it to the mostly empty left hand side of Template:WPVG announcements? - hahnchen 21:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea too. :) BOZ (talk) 02:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
High traffic stubs updated with October figures. I couldn't find a good way of comparing September to October data other than just skimming through them on multiple browser tabs. There is definitely commonality between months, these will be the articles where edits will make most impact. - hahnchen 15:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Longest stubs

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Another page worth publishing periodically would be the largest pages in Category:Stub-Class video game articles. This would require Wikipedia:Database queries which I am not familiar with. - hahnchen 17:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's something to consider. BOZ (talk) 16:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hahnchen: Here's the query and resulting data: https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/87337
The query pulls the top 100 pages in the "Stub-Class video game articles" category sorted by the "page_len" attribute, which is the uncompressed length in bytes of the page's source text.[2] Not as accurate as character count, but its a close approximation. Hope it helps. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@Guyinblack25: This query sorts it by talk page length. - hahnchen 10:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Sorry about that. I forgot that Categories are populated by Talk pages. I updated the query to pull the info on pages only in the Main namespace. https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/87337 The caveat about the length of the source text still holds true.
PS- I did the query in a kinda roundabout way, so someone with more knowledge of Wikipedia tables/queries might want to update it to be more efficient. Regardless, hope it helps. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]

@Hahnchen: I removed the special naming of the page length attribute, which looked like it was messing up the sorting before it grabbed the top 100. Should be more accurate now. After a brief inspection, it seems many of these are no longer stubs. For anyone inclined, reassessing them to their proper quality rating (Start, C, or B) could help make good headway towards the goal. (Guyinblack25 talk 22:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]

@Guyinblack25: I saw the initial error a few days ago and published a query using the same logic at Quarry:query/86269, thanks. - hahnchen 12:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I published a list of the 250 longest stubs at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Longest stubs. Many of these articles are clearly not stubs. These are prime candidates for re-assessing, and doing so will make clear inroads towards the project goal. - hahnchen 12:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several of those largest pages are people with lists of works and about a paragraph about the person themselves. Probably just reassess as start for the lot and move on? Izno (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Raising this here as I think it would be good to discuss linking to MyAbandonware.com downloads in general, pinging @Vitaly Zdanevich: for their input. A download link for the game on MyAbandonware.com was added to Armies of Exigo by Vitaly Zdanevich to support the category of Category:Abandonware games, but I believe this is a copyright issue per WP:COPYLINK. As I understand it, 'abandonware' is a grey area and copyright is still a concern even if the game is no longer commercially sold anywhere, and I believe that we shouldn't be linking to unauthorized free downloads of games still within copyright. 'myabandonware.com game ID' is a property on Wikidata, but I don't engage with Wikidata and I don't know what it is used for. Input from other editors would be appreciated. Waxworker (talk) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Completely inappropriate link. Whatever argument there may be for distributing abandoned software, it still remains a copyright violation until proven otherwise. Masem (t) 22:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to note that, in my personal opinion, almost any and every use of {{Internet Archive game}} is also a WP:COPYLINK violation. -- ferret (talk) 23:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ferret, and feel it may be best to either examine the uses of that template or nuke it outright.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree as well. It's a WP:COPYVIO issue no matter how you slice it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand you, yes this is a gray area, BUT note that myabandonware.com replaces the Download button to a store link if/when somebody (Steam, GoG) starts selling a game again, for example https://www.myabandonware.com/game/star-trek-voyager-elite-force-bbv
I respect myabandonware.com for their work, thanks to them.
Another point - I cannot image a lawsuit against Wikimedia Foundation that we have a link to a 20 years old game that nobody sells anymore.
Is Internet Archive actually remove anything? It looks like it is possible to upload anything to their servers, just asking.
Armies of Exigo such a good game, I love it, you should try. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 03:48, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also see related Wikidata discussion https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/myabandonware.com_game_id Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 03:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Related link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=500&offset=0&target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.myabandonware.com%2Fgame Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 03:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are a lot of the games there just ancient forgotten games nobody cares about? Sure, but that doesn't make it any less of a copyright violation. This is more of a strict yes or no legal question than an issue about the morality of the site's creators. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging involved editors, @Vitaly Zdanevich, Masem, Ferret, Kung Fu Man, and Zxcvbnm: - thoughts on removing all links to game downloads from the site from articles due to copyright concerns? As Vitaly Zdanevich linked through linksearch, there are 57 instances of MyAbandonware game links, and I wanted to ask involved editors for their input before making the sweeping change of removing all of them. Waxworker (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would vehemently support it, as far as I know, none of the original game creators are profiting from MyAbandonware at all. If people want to find warez then let them look for it themselves, but there's no encyclopedic purpose for linking it. Links should be used when things are obviously in the public domain or similar. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same. This is basically undrr WP:ELNO because the copyright aspect is very much in question and we default to assuming the worst. — Masem (t) 18:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm down with that.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and removed a bunch of MyAbandonware game download links from articles in mainspace - there are still some on talk pages and used as sources of images that I'm unsure how to properly deal with, therefore I haven't removed those. Waxworker (talk) 23:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with not linking to these on Wikipedia most of the time (there's probably some exceptions), but to be fair to your first point I don't think that's a good reason on its own compared to WP's own copyright rules – the original developers of a lot of games frequently don't profit at all from legit reissues either, especially if the rights to a game have been bought by another company. (Depending on their contracts with publishing companies a lot probably didn't profit much from initial sales past a certain point either unfortunately.) Ringtail Raider (talk) 02:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not about profiting. It's about whether or not MyAbandonware has permission to host those copyrighted works. By the site's very nature, the answer to that is "extremely doubtful". -- ferret (talk) 04:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"I would vehemently support it, as far as I know, none of the original game creators are profiting from MyAbandonware at all." - ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC) -- Ringtail Raider (talk) 02:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know what he said. The fact that "profit" doesn't matter changes nothing. They don't have permission. -- ferret (talk) 14:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super Famicom vs. SNES

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I noticed that Japanese exclusive games on the SNES are generally described in articles to release on "Super Famicom". It's done that way in Mario's Super Picross. Isn't it the same system as Super Nintendo Entertainment System? WP:VG/PLATFORMS doesn't inform me why it should be done this way, so I'm asking here. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 02:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you said, it's because they're Japan exclusive, where the SNES was called that. The same applies for Japan-only Famicom games vs NES for games released elsewhere. I'd assume this applies to some other regions and consoles as well, I'm not sure to what extent but (Super) Famicom vs (S)NES and Genesis vs Mega Drive at least are well known. It should probably be mentioned in the guidelines if it's not. Ringtail Raider (talk) 04:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Japan-exclusive games were never released for a system called "Super Nintendo Entertainment System". Why wouldn't we use the more accurate term "Super Famicom", which is also an English-language title? --Mika1h (talk) 15:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They're the same system. It's why Super Famicom is a redirect to Super Nintendo Entertainment System. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute at Assassin's Creed Nexus VR

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There is an ongoing dispute at Talk:Assassin's Creed Nexus VR regarding how to list developers in the infobox. A user insisted on listing all Ubisoft co-development studios in the infobox. More input is needed. Thank you. OceanHok (talk) 12:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That press release clearly put the matter to bed. Any revert from now on will be WP:DEADHORSE territory. - X201 (talk) 12:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for FreeSpace 2

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FreeSpace 2 has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 13:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute at Game Science

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There's an ongoing dispute at Talk:Game Science regarding the inclusion of sexism allegations surrounding the company. I've attempted to resolve it via discussions but I feel it's going in circles and that the discussion is no longer genuine. I would appreciate help resolving it, thank you. Snakester95 (talk) 16:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The dispute is really lengthy, but I'm not sure this can be solved via debate at all. User:YuelinLee1959 should be taken to WP:ANI as they are not here to build an encyclopedia but only spread rumors supporting their Gamergate-style views by inserting info that is neither here nor there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have been actively avoiding anything related to Wukong because it is no longer simply a game but also a hybrid of game and Chinese patriotism. I doubt that we can do anything now except waiting for the fad to die out. However, if needed I could help with source verification or translation. MilkyDefer 13:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I created a discussion on WP:ANI after the recommendation here to do so.[3] Snakester95 (talk) 19:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to access Electronic Gaming Monthly via Internet Archive

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This might have something to do with that recent outage, but lately I've been unable to access any issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly via the Internet Archive; any attempt to do so just results in a perpetual "Loading viewer" message. I'm bringing this up to confirm whether or not I'm the only one experiencing this. Example links to test this are here and here. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 19:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several parts of the site are still acting wonky. Text viewing works on the pages manually, but text searching through the in-built search engine does not. Guessing whatever they've been upgrading is throwing a lot of things out of whack.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PDFs, at least, are still accessible relatively speaking. Otherwise, they're fine. 2601AC47 (talk) 20:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't access a PDF (and others) the other day of a magazine so maybe not everything is fine yet. Sceeegt (talk) 20:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just tested again. The archived PDFs now load within a few seconds, and they shouldn't be in a perpetual loading state anymore. 2601AC47 (talk) 17:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Potential to broaden the scope of the ninth generation of video game consoles

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I'm going to put this proposal here. As I was saying, I disagree with the order of the home consoles within the ninth generation: PlayStation 5 → Xbox Series X/S. Like I said, I've come up with two options:

Reorganize
The Xbox Series X/S was already released before the PlayStation 5 was, so the new order will be as follows: Xbox Series X/S → PlayStation 5.
Do nothing
The PlayStation 5 was already announced before the Xbox Series X/S was.

I'm gonna need some opinions, so let me tell you what. Which options would you choose? One-Winged Devil (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if there's a reason the organization is what it is, but "changing it would be pointless effort" is a valid position to take on Wikipedia. If there would be no benefit to the reader or editors from such a change, then it shouldn't be done. Most people are too busy with content creation to bother doing vast tweaks based on a minor date discrepancy or console war-ism. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm: Agreed. I really don't see the need to start a fuss over minor date issues. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS Portal, anyone have it to photograph?

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The PlayStation Portal article doesn't yet have a photo of the device. (there had been one File:PlayStation Portal.jpg which is rightfully nominated for deletion because it is definitely not free). Just putting this out here for anyone who happens to own a Portal and has good photography skills to consider taking a free shot. Sceeegt (talk) 18:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Handheld gaming computer

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We all know what a handheld game console is but I think the Windows-based ones that are gaming machines are a little confusing. See this:

The GPD Wins have a keyboard and look like mini laptops but at the end of the day it's still technically a "gaming computer" - it also has regular gaming controls right above the keyboard, just like the Deck/Ally.

I think maybe some discussion and possible changes are necessary for us to have a naming scheme that is both accurate and COMMONNAME but without confusing readers. Sceeegt (talk) 16:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The actual term appears to be handheld gaming PC. This might support a separate article with sources like this, though there are two separate and equally viable locations for a potential redirect, either handheld PC or gaming PC. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Because this category of devices is still relatively new and not so broad, it's probably best not to have its own article. It would fit well in the gaming computer article, as a form factor alongside desktop or laptop gaming computers. I'm gonna start working on that.
But yeah judging by COMMONNAME it's best to change the intro for the GPD Win articles if "palmtop" is not the common term for them, if others here agree. --Sceeegt (talk) 23:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)Sceeegt (talk) 20:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However an argument is that a device like GPD Win is aimed first and foremost as a utility-based computing device with gaming as a secondary feature, whereas the Deck and others are gaming devices, first and foremost aimed for gaming, with some potential to run utility programs. Both fall under "handheld PC" but there is further distinguishing for the gaming ones. — Masem (t) 00:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing that out. FYI the GPD Win articles are in pretty bad shape. GPD Win 3 for example has a statement about Fallout 4 performance with a reference to a Youtube video which isn't entirely ideal. Sceeegt (talk) 04:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Supercell (video game company)#Requested move 16 October 2024

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Supercell (video game company)#Requested move 16 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 03:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Wild Arms (video game)

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Wild Arms (video game) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 13:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slow Damage

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When I added Slow Damage to the requests, the sources that I added were only meant to be a sample of other ones as well:[4][5][6][7], and I believe there are enough to meet WP:GNG. Surely you could reconsider your assesment? Kind regards, NoonIcarus (talk) 15:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assume you're referring to submitting Draft:Slow Damage to the Articles for Creation process. Add any sources and content you can to the draft before submitting so it's ready, don't just add a sample. Any comments etc about the draft can be added to the draft's talk page, can ping the user who declined draft there too. Indagate (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Indagate: I wasn't aware that a draft existed. I'll offer said sources to the process. Kind regards, --NoonIcarus (talk) 17:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are any of those sources actually reliable? That's the main problem here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anime News Network is at least, not sure about the others. Foreign-language sources are unfortunately a relative blind spot - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The ANN source is not sigcov though, just a simple news announcement. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You asked about reliability though - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, what I meant to say was "are any of those sources that would supposedly prove notability, reliable". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah no problem, just a misunderstanding - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Echoes of Mana

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For anyone interested, ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ just created an article for Echoes of Mana. This means my attempt to complete/maintain the Mana GT is now...frozen, for lack of a better word. I don't have the time or energy to dedicate, so...yeah. If anyone wants to take on Echoes of Mana in case ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ doesn't, the sources for it are on its talk page already. (pinging PresN so maybe they can find someone, because while Visions of Mana was something I was fascinated by, Echoes of Mana is not.) ProtoDrake (talk) 22:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (October 28 to November 10)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 17:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 28

October 29

October 30

October 31

November 1

November 2

November 3

November 4

November 5

November 6

November 7

November 8

November 9

November 10

Skipped last week, so have a double-dose! --PresN 17:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The audacity to delete Pink Yoshi. Panini! • 🥪 18:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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