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- re: Conspiracy of Cells of Fire and the Informal Anarchist Federation, as long as the sources are reputable, be bold and go for it! Established Greek newspapers, for example, were a good choice for your CCF expansion. Feel free to post questions here or on the anarchism noticeboard above too. Happy editing, czar 19:08, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- My problem right now is that most of my sources are anarchist websites that distribute communiques and such, many anarchists of the vein of these organisations arn't interested in the traditional media. Do you have any ideas in regard to this little problem?
- They're still covered in their native press, no? el:Συνωμοσία των Πυρήνων της Φωτιάς and it:Federazione anarchica informale appear to have some reliable newspaper sources but they require translation. Outside of newspapers and magazines/periodicals, we're waiting for books and academic articles to be eventually released. Primary sources can be used too but only sparingly. czar 01:25, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- My problem right now is that most of my sources are anarchist websites that distribute communiques and such, many anarchists of the vein of these organisations arn't interested in the traditional media. Do you have any ideas in regard to this little problem?
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[edit]Regarding your question at the Wikiproject talk page (I'm replying here to avoid that discussion going off-topic), the major problems with the détournement article in my view are (1) that most of the article lacks citations; and (2) that most of the sources are there are primary sources, i.e. works by Debord and other Situationists, when Wikipedia articles should be based primarily on secondary sources, which in this case would be later studies commenting on the idea. Google Scholar turns up lots of usable sources (while Google Books seems to mostly give French-language results), but off the top of my head McKenzie Wark's books on the SI (The Beach Beneath the Street and The Spectacle of Disintegration, and perhaps also 50 Years of Recuperation of the Situationist International) would be a good place to start. Purely subjectively, I also think it's a shame the article doesn't mention The Adventures of Tintin: Breaking Free, my personal favourite example. I entirely agree that it's an important article and would wish you the best of luck if you do decide to work on improving it. (Also, just so you know, I wasn't notified that you'd replied to me at the Wikproject talk page because you linked to my talk page rather than my user page. I usually use the {{re}} template to ensure the notification goes through: e.g. {{re|Arms & Hearts}}.) – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:46, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]Hola nice to see you signed up at WP:SQUAT, as I've seen your edits popping up in different places. Feel free to drop me a line with any questions, I'm happy to help if I can. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 14:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- Cheers, @Mujinga: yea. I used to live in squats around the UK and somewhat connected to the larger community in Europe. It seems a worthy WP but most of the sources I personally use for related things would not be considered real sources by Wikipedia logic so this is a challenge and problem for me certainly (the same as i have with WP Anarchism), how do you deal with this personally? Also please let me know if there is any pages you think i'd be able to help with in relation, that would be much appreciated. :) W1tchkr4ft 00 (talk) 04:54, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- What sort of sources are you talking about? Maybe it's good to talk in specifics, since you can still use "unreal" sources for uncontroversial things, they just won't count towards notability. Wikipedia like any system has its rules and regulations but as that interesting WP:ANARCHO discussion that you started shows, people do see things in rather different ways. Depending on what sort of thing we are talking about, the free resources accessible through the wikipedia library can be quite helpful, eg newsbank, jstor, proquest - i use them quite a lot.
- For WP:SQUAT, I tried to start off a discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Squatting/2021_Plans at the beginning of the year but it didn't generate much interest. I do have quite big plans to globalize Squatting and to make more country-based "Squatting in X" pages like Squatting in Nigeria, and I'd be happy to discuss both of those projects further. A perhaps less daunting task would be to focus on getting more individual and notable squats / squat-related events their own pages, eg Metropoliz or Battle of Mainzer Straße as recent examples. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 10:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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I wanted to apologize for reverting your edit on Fusako Shigenobu's page, what you wrote was correct and I got the details mixed up, so I went ahead and undid my edit. Soveryvivid (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Soveryvivid: That's absolutely fine. I have been trying to slowly work at related pages despite being the furthest thing from and expert and found a few things that have been erroneous, different attacks attributed to incorrect people and other such things. I got a lot of it confused a few times too. I appreciate the thoughtfulness though. :) SP00KYtalk 13:45, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]Hiya just tried to email you but it seems you don't have it set up. I wanted to say I enjoy collaborating with you and like your positive energy, but yesterday I think you got a bit frustrated over at Alfredo Cospito. It's understandable, but it's much better to stay calm and at the end of the day this is just a website. Hope to cross paths with you again soon! Mujinga (talk) 12:09, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yea, I don't use email really, sorry. Sorry for getting frustrated too, I just can't stand these people, the level of dishonesty on this website is outstanding (and I find it personally hard to sit and smile and pretend reactionaries are acting in good faith on an personal level), It is one of the core reasons I only really edit WP:@ stuff because they get ignored by the wider community and I don't have to get in arguments with disingenuous people who think that knowing obscure WP policy means they rule the place and want a Wikipedia that only reflects reactionary opinions and articles that agree with American foreign policy stances. It's just insanely frustrating to me for them to come and brigade our articles too when i explicitly leave them the rest of the website to mess with, and especially when I put a lot of effort into this article.... I know not close to as much as you but I did a ton of reading and research for this article and I believe I am useful here anyway as I am more knowledgeable than most about FAI.
- You are probably right and I should probably walk away in order to maintain a calm image as you say, but my worry is that if I just ignore these people they will run rampant over this article like they already tried and likely others. I know it's only a shitty website but i am passionate and really do care about the quality of WP:@ and the work we do here, I feel like i would be remiss to not channel that energy... Maybe I will give it a few days at least though, these kids will probably get bored.
- Anyway, I just thought i'd lay it out because to the random observer it might look like I was going a bit over the top to those guys but it's a common thing for me on this site to see people like this.. Thanks for the kind words and keep up the good work! I respect you muchly as an editor. <3 SP00KYtalk 13:24, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah well in retrospect I was probably too nice! Thanks for your latest edit there, I was going to say exactly the same thing (as in, just remove "illegal" then). Anyway, came here to post the below ... Mujinga (talk) 13:46, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Mujinga Yea, although not editing the article, I have saved a version from the day before those 2 or 3 guys turned up that can at least be used to improve the article when they leave, and i am trying to keep an eye on the changes so i can remove the most egregious things they do, I just do not see the point personally in arguing with WP autistic rules lawyers like this types like this because they will just abuse interpretations of whatever 'WP:*' rules that nobody reads anyway to get their own way.
- I feel like that FFFF guy is kind of towing a line so he can appear as a 'legitimate' editor but I think at the every least that Allions should just be banned for probably being a cop as well as being generally a disingenuous liar, as well as that IP or IP range of the pigs you caught posting, but I have no idea how to do that and probably am not the best person to ask because i struggle to stay 'polite' and talk like my statements are proof-read by an American corporate HR department, (if that makes sense?) but if you or anyone else could create some kind of complaint about these people it might get us away from this problem we are having..
- It obviously annoys and frustrates me, mostly because how abusable this site is and how corrupt (in my personal experience) the people in charge are here, but also i am nostly annoyed for you because you have clearly put so much effort in to the article only to have these three or four guys come across and ruin the article with absolutely 0 repercussionds.
- that was long, sorry, buy the real meat is, 'What is to be done?', can we remove these people, and how? SP00KYtalk 18:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- You could make an email just for wikipedia reasons and never check it except when you get a "you've got mail" message. That's what I've done, and it's worked fine so far. -- asilvering (talk) 19:11, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah well in retrospect I was probably too nice! Thanks for your latest edit there, I was going to say exactly the same thing (as in, just remove "illegal" then). Anyway, came here to post the below ... Mujinga (talk) 13:46, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
I just realised I put some questions on things to be getting on with in the new year at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Squatting then forgot to send them round! I do love a new year push but they're still valid six weeks later lol. So please take a look and see what you think, feedback welcome, cheers Mujinga (talk) 13:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks matey, i'll take a look when I can. :) SP00KYtalk 18:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
GA question
[edit]Some real battleground/ownership stuff in the edit history of that article, fyi. You might be about to step into a minefield. -- asilvering (talk) 03:36, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for the warning, @Asilvering, what reasons for exactly are people making problems? It seems like a fairly benign historical article which would make a very good WP:Anarchsim based GA. If people are ruining it to be disruptive cannot we get them banned? I am starting to get real tired of disruptive actors seeping into WP:@ related articles when I already have to ignore a good part of recent history and Politics based Wikipedia because of dishonest and disruptive actors... SP00KYtalk 18:44, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, it's definitely not benign! Articles about nationalist revolutionaries tend to attract... well, nationalists. My (perhaps too kind) read of it by skimming the article history is that the editors who have been trying to counter the nationalist editing are wearing out their very last nerves. I think it would be great to make that article a GA - I just wanted to warn you in case you hadn't seen the tendentious history of the thing, so you don't get shocked if someone comes at you in bad (or just tired...) faith. imo if you're not familiar with the India/Pakistan topic area already, you should probably go over the sources with a fine-toothed comb while you work on getting it ready for a GA nom. I haven't looked closely at this one but others I've seen in the topic area have leaned heavily on antiquated racist/colonialist sources, or, alternatively, more recent but disastrously non-RS ones. I'm happy to help follow up on things you're paywalled out of, if that's an issue. -- asilvering (talk) 19:09, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think i will. Thanks though. I am getting real tired of Wikipedia lately, after making a conscious decision to ignore a lot of areas i'm interested in because of this nonsense even an article that Mujinga who wrote wish was fleshing up to be very good about Alfredo Cospito which I ranted about above has had a lot of issues with these people, and had bunch of americans come along to argue to the death every time someone comes to say maybe Viet Cong article names should be changed as it is a derogatory term that is not used outside of (obviously bias) western sources.. There are just two examples, but it seems that WIkipedia is INFESTED to the point it's a huge problem with people who are either A. Reactionaries who believe they are honest and just do not want to examine their assumptions or B. reactionaries who know full well they are being disruptive. And the biggest problem to me is that you can't even just tell them to fuck off or worse like you would IRL, they can just 'rules lawyer' with their readings of WP policy pages until they 'win'.
- </rant> I am getting very sick of it though and with every attempt i make to join a page or set of pages I feel more disillusioned with this website, it's US-centric, or to be in perhaps bad faith, US-Nationalist, or to be more broad and 'spooky', ('Western-Nationalist') point of view feels like it will always be upholded at all costs, even when plain and simple facts sit in their face... IRL editors would be physically attacked if they act how they act to people on here.. I know I am a very minor editor, but it is ....exhausting..
- SP00KYtalk 18:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- I hear you. For what it's worth, I don't think the article we're talking about is full of that kind of bad actor. It's two other problems instead: one, the sources that are available for writing this kind of history themselves often have extreme nationalist/racist/colonialist biases, which is not always easy to notice when you're just looking at a single sentence or paragraph on Wikipedia; and two, the (-ist) editors who are motivated to edit the article are often doing a lowkey WP:GREATWRONGS kind of thing, which drives everybody else crazy. It doesn't look to me like it's a bunch of rules lawyers trying to "win", though maybe I missed something. -- asilvering (talk) 05:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- hiya asilvering i don't think we've interacted before but i've been admiring your work whenever i come across it :) witchy i hear you as well, i really do. perhaps your wikilawyering comment was more directed at the alfredo cospito article because we definitely have had a few editors acting in bad faith there and making bogus appeals to "rules" to justify NPOV edits. you caught that happening before i did. it has reminded me of how years ago i was editing 9/11 conspiracy theory pages and wow they could turn into a right bunfight sometimes. now i try to not bother with trolls although i also do think there are hills worth dying on occasionally. having said that it would be a shame for your frustrations to stop you editing here so that's why i wanted to comment.
- i didn't reply on "what is to be done" above because things had kind of settled down but i suppose the cospito article probably will flare up every time there's a major news update. but that's ok, we can also play the long game. i've been grateful for your comments there because it's annoying having to explain wikipedia works on my own. cheers to you both and hope it works out with the other article! Mujinga (talk) 17:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- To me it is more a problem all over this wretched website, every dispute is a disingenuous 'rule lawyer' battles with the winner being whoever can bring the most to his side with him and some of the worst attempts at 'consensus decision making' I have ever seen in my life, and that is saying something. Even the actual moderators with power are really bad people, as i discovered attempting to use the en.wikipedia IRC channels. :(
- I appreciate both of you as editors who regularly show up in my watched pages edits though, you are a few of the good ones and as much as I hate this website it is good that people like us are around and to stick with it, as like it or not it is the main place most people will be going for their information.
- What I am saying is, thanks for great editing and being some of the few strands of reason i found here that help me stay.
- Keep it up! <3 SP00KYtalk 14:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Aw, group hug to you both. :) Take a step back if you're feeling burnt out. I have to credit WP:@ for helping me stick around, since it's a place where editors actually put into practice various concepts like "use reliable sources" and "collaborate and find consensus". Speaking of, I've noticed that @Grnrchst has been working on the Anarchism in India article and might have some thoughts about a Bhagat Singh GA run. -- asilvering (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- I haven't been working on that article as much as I'd like, to be honest. I keep getting distracted by other parts of the project. My main issue with the article on Bhagat Singh right now is that its citation style is rather inconsistent. I think this could probably be fixed by sticking to a certain formatting, trimming the less necessary citations (like when a sentence is cited to a dozen sources but only few of those sources are actually about Singh), and just generally trying to tighten it up so that it's easier to verify. I personally find it quite frustrating to read articles with this kind of inconsistent citation style, as I often don't know where to start with further research of the sources. -- Grnrchst (talk) 09:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, that's a very easy one for me to tinker at in bits and pieces, so I'll start in on that. -- asilvering (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, I can see why you look at these citations and then want to give up, haha. -- asilvering (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- It's something I'll look in to doing too at least, I always try to change the citation format from the old one in to the more used one when I spot them. SP00KYtalk 23:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I haven't been working on that article as much as I'd like, to be honest. I keep getting distracted by other parts of the project. My main issue with the article on Bhagat Singh right now is that its citation style is rather inconsistent. I think this could probably be fixed by sticking to a certain formatting, trimming the less necessary citations (like when a sentence is cited to a dozen sources but only few of those sources are actually about Singh), and just generally trying to tighten it up so that it's easier to verify. I personally find it quite frustrating to read articles with this kind of inconsistent citation style, as I often don't know where to start with further research of the sources. -- Grnrchst (talk) 09:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Aw, group hug to you both. :) Take a step back if you're feeling burnt out. I have to credit WP:@ for helping me stick around, since it's a place where editors actually put into practice various concepts like "use reliable sources" and "collaborate and find consensus". Speaking of, I've noticed that @Grnrchst has been working on the Anarchism in India article and might have some thoughts about a Bhagat Singh GA run. -- asilvering (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- I hear you. For what it's worth, I don't think the article we're talking about is full of that kind of bad actor. It's two other problems instead: one, the sources that are available for writing this kind of history themselves often have extreme nationalist/racist/colonialist biases, which is not always easy to notice when you're just looking at a single sentence or paragraph on Wikipedia; and two, the (-ist) editors who are motivated to edit the article are often doing a lowkey WP:GREATWRONGS kind of thing, which drives everybody else crazy. It doesn't look to me like it's a bunch of rules lawyers trying to "win", though maybe I missed something. -- asilvering (talk) 05:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, it's definitely not benign! Articles about nationalist revolutionaries tend to attract... well, nationalists. My (perhaps too kind) read of it by skimming the article history is that the editors who have been trying to counter the nationalist editing are wearing out their very last nerves. I think it would be great to make that article a GA - I just wanted to warn you in case you hadn't seen the tendentious history of the thing, so you don't get shocked if someone comes at you in bad (or just tired...) faith. imo if you're not familiar with the India/Pakistan topic area already, you should probably go over the sources with a fine-toothed comb while you work on getting it ready for a GA nom. I haven't looked closely at this one but others I've seen in the topic area have leaned heavily on antiquated racist/colonialist sources, or, alternatively, more recent but disastrously non-RS ones. I'm happy to help follow up on things you're paywalled out of, if that's an issue. -- asilvering (talk) 19:09, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
about my edit on alfredo cospito article
[edit]This is my edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfredo_Cospito&diff=prev&oldid=1144566188
I Just wanted to let you know that I did not intend to do vandalism on the article. The fact is that the italian article describes in the first line Alfredo Cospito as an "anarchist and terrorist". I support that Alfredo Cospito is described as a terrorist in the wikipedia article, because no one would know Alfredo Cospito if he was a normal anarchist who has never made terror attacks. Lorsss98 (talk) 17:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- 'Terrorist' is a non-neutral term, we do not use it on wikipedia to describe people or groups without clear qualification, especially in the lead. SP00KYtalk 20:26, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
good faith
[edit]If you could erase this one, I would appreciate. I believe we both act in good faith, even if we have different views on what constitues a good biography.
You already erased other presonal attacks, which I accept as a positive way to engage. Ffaffff (talk) 17:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
March 2023
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- This warning not only applies to personal attacks on talk pages but in edit summaries as well. Focus on describing the edit, not bashing other contributors. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 20:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
- how about you deal with the actual problem this is absurd. SP00KYtalk 21:28, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
- THANK YOU. /s SP00KYtalk 21:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Witchy how is it going? I decided to put my bookshelves into rainbow by spine colour and now I have a LOT of books everywhere on the floor hahaha. From the above, it seems you (like me) are getting irritated by Ffaffff's bad edits (unless there are also some other shenanigans going on). I would suggest you delete/strike a few of your recent edits, there's no need to attack other editors and it would prob be better for you in the long run. Liz is a decent admin and she is giving you fair advice. I also don't want you to get blocked!! It's in a way good we have some admin attention on Alfredo Cospito because it is likely to be back in the news again soon and then we will no doubt see more SPA edits.
I also wanted to ask about your recent edits, because I don't think you did this on purpose but you rolled back some stuff I did such as adding the FAI image, adding the film link and expanding the lead. I do think they were helpful edits (even if Ffafff turns up an hour later to revert and introduce copyright violation). Anyhoo, I'd like to re-add these edits but thought it best to talk it through with you first and see where you are coming from on that in case I've misunderstood somethin. In other news, I created Ojore Lutalo recently, if you happen to have books about the BLA maybe you could add some more infos. Cheers and happy editing! Mujinga (talk) 13:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- OK I went ahead and re-added stuff. Hope you are having a good weekend! Mujinga (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, it is just Fffafff. I did not mean to remove anything you added. :)
- I am not sure exactly what we are supposed to do with it, obviously those with power on this website have looked over it's edits, as from this incident and when you tried to report it... I have also tried to just ignore him but when i did that and i went back to the article a little later he had introduced a bunch of problems, it is recurring pattern.. What else are we supposed to do except use our words to apply social pressure to make it leave? Even when it is not bad-faith removing things it is introducing language that feels like it is written by a child. So I do not respect this moderator and never will, Instead of using the power they hold over us to actually get rid of a disruptive editor they come to threaten to ban me for using 'bad words' like a failed HR department employee, seemingly taking great care to studiously ignoring the disruptive editor. Probably just another wikipedia reactionary looking after their own. Honestly it is beyond pathetic and really just a bit sad...
- Do not worry though if they ban me over this guy it will be unjustified as I have never been a disruptive editor and always given respect to those who give it to me, so i will be back, I personally think having a history and articles on radical politics as well as pushing back at reactionary perspectives in wikipedia is important enough to do regardless of these types making it difficult and throwing up this kind of disingenuous nonsense.
- Cheers Mujinga! :) SP00KYtalk 16:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hmmm yeah I hear you, I mean this latest edit by Ffaffff is both incompetent and disruptive. It manages to be bad copy paste, introduces grammar errors and ignores WP:20YEARTEST despite all Ffaffff's blabla about recentism; it's almost impressive to be so bad. But I can't be bothered to revert, I'd rather leave it for another editor to intervene so we get more consensus that Ffaffff is a problematic editor - for me that's already painfully clear. As you know, I've already reported them for edit-warring since they were over 3RR but the admin reviewing the report didn't think so ... *shrug*.
- I did find reading WP:SEALION helpful. People like this are hard to block, since it's not simple vandalism. The admins are fire-fighting here and anything like an edit summary with sweary language will get flagged on a list and attract sanctions, because that's quite simple. Persistent civil disruptive editing is more tricky to identify, but if you look at Ffaffff's talkpage I've been warning them since January which already says something; they've twice introduced copyright violation and haven't shown any acknowledgement of how serious that is, so the case is being made. All I can say is we need to keep cool and maintain the moral highground and keep escalating the warnings until they hopefully become a better editor or get sanctioned. This is far from being the only page where I see this sort of behaviour. Another part of it is I think attention-seeking trolling. Mujinga (talk) 09:43, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Edit summaries & reverts
[edit]Hello. You reverted my edits, this time with an empty edit summary (last time it was: "leave.")
Again, you reverted (among other stuff) typo fixes like this. Are you sure you wanted to revert those changes too? If you revert only the parts you care about (i.e. not typo fixes) it would be a good compromise to start a discussion, don't you agree? Ffaffff (talk) 11:39, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am not sure why you had to come here Ffaffff to announce you had corrected a curly apostrophe to a straight one. Anyway I think we are now back to a somewhat decent version of the article. Mujinga (talk) 14:16, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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- I don't want anything to do with these reactionary administrators. leave me tf alone on this. SP00KYtalk 17:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Hey there. I haven't seen you around in a while, so just wanted to check in. How are you doing? :) --Grnrchst (talk) 11:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! i thought i replied to this a week or two ago but i probably left it opened and closed the window, which is far to common!, sorry!! I've kind of been around but just IP-posting to fix citations and add tags and reading talk pages more than really participating in anything, i only just logged into my account on my main PC a few weeks ago, suprised but glad i remembered my password! :)
- IDK, i'm approaching it hesitantly, i still have a deep critique of Wikipedia developed whilst editing it, and parts of it, such as fascist (or fascist enabling) moderation and there constantly threatening language, as you can see with a quick scroll above with '@Liz' coming to the defence of some bad-faith reactionary, more than once, or 'BilledMammal' above, despite not even having a basic understanding, getting tilted after and trying to discipline me over me pointing out that MEMRI TV (an accepted and VERY common source used in all things Palestine related on Wikipedia going back decades) is an objectively bad source known for many dishonest things, such as select cutting and making up of translated subtitles divorced from what is being said. Obviously these are just two low-level, but easy to view, examples but the wider point is the political stances (conscious or subconscious) those with both collective and individual power in the wikipedia project hold and how much then does our work here eventually simply become building walls of sand to pushing back the tide? To add to that, I learned that a lot of wikipedia is written (and perhaps moderated) by people paid by think tanks and so on to be editors so there are many conflicts of interest within the project that go unchecked, i think any reading on current events, for example Ukrainian conflict related stuff or reading about Palestinian related stuff, with it's aforementioned love of MEMRI quotes and citations, makes these kinds of conflicts of interests, explicit mechanisms of reinforcement and biases, i would argue all act in favour of the global hegemony or 'international community', very clear.
- There's also the fact that most of what I'm reading and re-reading is around Israel-Palestine at the moment and I have never in the past really made any serious efforts to edit those pages because they're mostly completely dominated and will quickly land you into the kind of arguments with people who certainly knows less and is well less read than you on the issue Wikipedians like to have** (the aforementioned BilledAnimal is a good example here), where they degrade you and treat you like you're retarded but with this like HR-filtered, 'i went to university!' bureaucratic middle-class-office-worker language that's A, gamed always in their favour, and B. completely alienating to any half-normal person, and i basically want to edit most of the time completely avoiding having to interact with these freaks and bad-faith weirdos because it's demoralising and actively makes me unhappy.
- That is to say, i'm around, but i finally logged into my account and hope to do more than little things, kinda want to write more about fascist parties in Europe, but i'm treating it like dipping my toe into the river very-very tentatively, hopeful but still prepared in the case that it is in fact to cold.... and also full of shit and old-tampons. :P Sorry, that's a lot longer than before, but it was also for me to help me straighten out a couple of these critiques i've been having about Wikipedia and my understanding of the project, but yea, that's how i'm doing with regards to the WIkipedia project. :P How's it going? :)
- Excluding you all at Wikiproject Anarchism, who are the only people i've actually enjoyed editing with on this site and are great, who kept me on this site for so long. SP00KYtalk 17:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- >kinda want to write more about fascist parties in Europe, but i'm treating it like dipping my toe into the river very-very tentatively,
- And having said that, the one article i started with and going to focus a bit more on was removed to drafts with no oversight or discussion, which i only discovered. Right on cue with amusingly good timing, a new example of all the irritating little things that actively discourage and make you think things like 'what's the point in active collaboration if they're gonna be like this all the time' or, 'why should i even bother writing and spending so much time doing all the finicky editing stuff if they're just going to remove it without even forewarning or notification, let alone asking for input on this decision of the actual people actually editing the article.'. I think you could look at your average talk or history subpage and probably see in most of them people being actively demotivational and examples of serious problems to which the way the project is run. SP00KYtalk 17:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
