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wumbolo ^^^ 15:39, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
@Wumbolo: Sorry, I don't think I have ever edited on that topic, can you explain what prompted this DS notice for a topic I don't edit about? The very reason we have never been able to agree on bots delivering these warnings is so we would not receive them when doing routine vandalism and BLP related patrols. Seraphim System (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- It's about Stefan Molyneux and your reverts [8] [9]. Some sources say that he "intensifies scientific racism" and is therefore a white supremacist, and you removed that from the article. wumbolo ^^^ 15:50, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- I reverted BLP content that I felt was not sufficiently supported by the sources and opened a talk page discussion to stop an ongoing edit war. I've had no involvement in this article outside routine patrolling. The article was even protected for BLP violations after the editor was blocked for edit warring for 24 hours. In situations like this, it is usually not customary to leave DS notices editors whose only involvement is patrolling. It's not a big deal, as I'm generally supportive of the notice-by-bot proposal, but you should be aware that some patrolling editors may have stronger feelings about it. Seraphim System (talk) 16:38, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Disruptive IP user
Hi Seraphim System, could you look at this and deal with it? This aggressive and disruptive IP user is edit warring and just removing sourced content there. His insistent POV-pushing keeps adding an etymology that isn't really relevant here, since the word does not directly come from Persian. Kind regards, Akocsg (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure how I can help, if a user is being disruptive it should be reported at ANI. Seraphim System (talk) 17:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Redirection
Hi, it appears that you tried to create a redirect at Dersim ethnocide, but didn't do it correctly. I've fixed it now. For future reference, the correct redirect syntax is:
#REDIRECT [[target page name]]
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- Wow, sorry about that, thank you for fixing it. Seraphim System (talk) 23:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
This week's article for improvement (week 46, 2018)
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WPCleaner 2.0
Hello Seraphim System.
I would like to inform you that a new version of WPCleaner is available replacing the old version (v1.43) dating back to almost a year. Unfortunately, going from version 1.43 to 2.0 automatically isn't possible and will require a new installation. It's necessary to install version 2.0 to take advantage of updates and bug fixes. Version 1.43 will have to be uninstalled manually, as there are no more updates for it.
The installation procedure is described at Wikipedia:WPCleaner/Installation.
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- With all 650 reviewers voting for these urgently needed improvements, our requests would be unlikely to fail. See also The Signpost Special report: 'NPP: This could be heaven or this could be hell for new users – and for the reviewers', and if you are not sure what the wish list is all about, take a sneak peek at an article in this month's upcoming issue of The Signpost which unfortunately due to staff holidays and an impending US holiday will probably not be published until after voting has closed.
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This week's article for improvement (week 47, 2018)
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History of Ottoman Palestine
I found this and this. Could you make a summary of the Ottoman period to add in the Israel article? Thanks--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 19:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- I am working on this now. Seraphim System (talk) 19:32, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Did you start writing the text? Do you need some help? Regardless of the final result, I think it should include the administrative divisions and changes during the Ottoman period, the 1660 Druze revolt, Zahir al-Umar's revolt and his brief independent emirate, al-Jazzar's encounter with Napoleonic troops, Egyptian Muhammad Ali's war against the Ottomans and the 1838 Druze revolt, to name a few. Maybe I'm forgetting other events. Jewish settlements in the period are already mentioned, so there's no need to expand further on this. What do you think? Judging by other topics in the Israel article, it shouldn't occupy more than a paragraph. I'll wait for you to make the edits before I make the text myself. Even though this specific topic is not related to ARBPIA, I prefer to stay away from the article. But if you don't do it, I'll have to jump in. Have a good day.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 17:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- I may have stuff to add it to it afterwards. I would rather write the standalone articles first and then summarize them in the main article. Seraphim System (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Hi. Sorry to bother you, how is the text on Ottoman Palestine going? If you don't know how to properly summarize everything, I recommend you to paraphrase this content from Encyclopedia Britannica. Could you do that? Thanks--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 22:22, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- I may have stuff to add it to it afterwards. I would rather write the standalone articles first and then summarize them in the main article. Seraphim System (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Did you start writing the text? Do you need some help? Regardless of the final result, I think it should include the administrative divisions and changes during the Ottoman period, the 1660 Druze revolt, Zahir al-Umar's revolt and his brief independent emirate, al-Jazzar's encounter with Napoleonic troops, Egyptian Muhammad Ali's war against the Ottomans and the 1838 Druze revolt, to name a few. Maybe I'm forgetting other events. Jewish settlements in the period are already mentioned, so there's no need to expand further on this. What do you think? Judging by other topics in the Israel article, it shouldn't occupy more than a paragraph. I'll wait for you to make the edits before I make the text myself. Even though this specific topic is not related to ARBPIA, I prefer to stay away from the article. But if you don't do it, I'll have to jump in. Have a good day.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 17:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
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Page mover revoked
Hi, Seraphim System, I'm just letting you know that I've revoked your page mover permission pursuant to my comments here. This didn't have to happen, and was brought about by your own refusal to be accountable for your own mistakes. You were given ample opportunity to do so, and you instead seemed to put your efforts into making excuses and dismissing the concerns rather than focusing on what you did wrong and how you'll make it right. You did not even seem to appreciate the severity of the situation when you were forewarned that revocation was a strong possibility. I take no joy in this and would not have done so if you gave me any reason to change my mind. You can request for this back at any time, but you need to convince us that you've changed your attitude. See the link I provided for my extended comments. Regards, Swarm {talk} 01:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
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Block
I've blocked your account for six months per your request. I am sorry to see you go, and I hope you'll change your mind. The page mover revocation was nothing personal, and I was sorry to have to do it. Either way, I wish you nothing but the best, and you will be welcomed back at any time. Swarm {talk} 01:07, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Swarm: I would appreciate if someone could just finish speedying the articles that I've created which have not had significant contributions from anyone else, because now it's going to piss me off for another six months knowing I have unfinished stuff to do. (Obviously a whole bunch of them have been deleted already).Seraphim System (talk) 01:15, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- I will have to run this by the community. Swarm {talk} 01:29, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Swarm: Ok, I guess also the drafts I have in my subpages.Seraphim System (talk) 01:43, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- I will have to run this by the community. Swarm {talk} 01:29, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
@Softlavender: I should probably give an explanation of why I am asking that my work be CSD'ed so people like yourself do not spread rumours about me in my absence and where I can't respond. I regret that I am removing content that may be useful to readers as I obviously had readers in mind when I put many hours and years of my time into creating. I haven't saved any drafts, etc. Leaving is difficult for me and I want a clean break. I sincerely appreciate everyone who has been supportive, and I am sorry to them for giving up and also to our readers, but I don't want my work to be part of this project anymore for reasons that I feel I have explained adequately at length elsewhere. This is not one of those things where I leave and come back as a sock, there are certain issues such as being from a censored country thus not having other English speaking editors around who share the same interests I do - I don't blame anyone for that, but it is has not been a good experience for me. There are certain articles where the environment is toxic, but not everything can be fixed by administrators. I'm not really in a position where I can take a positive attitude and run edit-a-thons or outreach - I have thought about it but decided it would be too dangerous in a blocked country. Please do not continue to say nasty things about me behind my back. Seraphim System (talk) 02:00, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't intend to say those things behind your back. I'll post them here, verbatim:
I really don't know the whole long story, but the Suleiman move and edit-war was particularly, unbelievably egregious, and any admin would have been within their rights to immediately withdraw the very exclusive page-mover right. And the fact that Seraphim System consequently CSDed all of their own articles out of sheer spite, not caring that they might be useful to readers, is further evidence that the user has a major attitude problem. I think Swarm did exactly the right thing. Softlavender (talk) 02:12, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- Please calm down, spite has nothing to do with it and I'm not mad. I'm a little bit sad, but that's it. At least take some time to think about what I am saying and do not just dismiss out of hand the experience that I have had as not valid or simply blame it all on my spitefulness. I don't really want to leave on a nasty note.Seraphim System (talk) 02:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- Too late for that, Seraphim System, you are leaving on a nasty note. When your page-move violations were reported to AN, you immediately threatened to quit [13]. Then when your page-mover right was removed you immediately, literally three minutes later, asked Bishonen and Swarm to block you for six months, after which you CSDed all your own articles. All of those actions are textbook rage-quitting. Softlavender (talk) 02:32, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- If it makes it easier to tell yourself that, I don't mind. I don't want people like you in my life anymore. It has nothing to do with "page move violations". That is something you care about. To me, it feels like a violation that my work continues to be live in this project against my will and I feel sick to my stomach. Goodbye. Seraphim System (talk) 02:38, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- Too late for that, Seraphim System, you are leaving on a nasty note. When your page-move violations were reported to AN, you immediately threatened to quit [13]. Then when your page-mover right was removed you immediately, literally three minutes later, asked Bishonen and Swarm to block you for six months, after which you CSDed all your own articles. All of those actions are textbook rage-quitting. Softlavender (talk) 02:32, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- Please calm down, spite has nothing to do with it and I'm not mad. I'm a little bit sad, but that's it. At least take some time to think about what I am saying and do not just dismiss out of hand the experience that I have had as not valid or simply blame it all on my spitefulness. I don't really want to leave on a nasty note.Seraphim System (talk) 02:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
@Swarm: Can you please stop calling it "rage quitting"? I have been thinking about this for a long time. Please copy and paste my explanation and apologies to the discussion you opened at AN. Many members of this community have been supportive and welcoming and I don't have any bad feelings for the community as a whole and I don't want this to be represented that way.Seraphim System (talk) 02:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- I am sorry, SS. I never intended for things to go this way, and I'm sorry you feel the way you do. As it happens, whether you believe it or not, I've felt the same way before. There's nothing wrong in requesting a self-requested block. Please, though, try and understand that my opening of that AN thread was not intended to be a personal attack against you or your contributions. I simply think, on principle, that Wikipedia should take a hard line on advanced permissions, and particularly their use in relation to move disputes. I tried to explain to you what I thought you did wrong at AN...perhaps you might understand at some point. RGloucester — ☎ 02:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- I understand why you did it and I would have done the same thing in your place. I definitely understand what you are saying about the use of advanced permissions, but that's not why I'm leaving the project. This has been a long time coming and I know I haven't been as responsive to the PERM thing as you guys wanted. I moved the article to Süleyman the Magnificent, you know? I'm leaving because I don't want to argue about whether it should be spelled Süleyman or Suleiman, or to be afraid that if I talk about the genocides suffered by those who founded Turkey (my family background) that I will be accused of denying the Armenian Genocide. My grandmother was a baby in her crib during WWI, and I know what happened. There are dog whistles that I don't want to have to hear day in and day out, pontificating that things would be better off this way or that way. I am open to any type of civil discussion of any viewpoints, but the discussions haven't been civil. There is too much LTA sockpuppetry in the areas I'm active in, and I don't know enough about it to file a complaint. It has really eroded my trust in the consensus process. This has been rather a dramatic exit, I'm afraid, but I probably deserved removal of the PERM. I should have known better.Seraphim System (talk) 03:18, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Deletions
Hi SS, can you explain more how deleting these articles would help you make a clean break? I understand regretting being associated with WP - I do - but people have to balance helping you make a clean break against our core function, providing sourced information to readers. Plus, people can be horrible, and there will no doubt be all kinds of people who will want to kick you while you're down at the AN thread, so I can kind of guess how that thread is going to end up. I have a hard time understanding how deleting articles that currently qualify for G7 will help make a clean break, while articles that have been edited by others, and so don't qualify, won't. Is it that you wish you could delete all of it, but know you can't so you're doing the most you can? If so, is there any chance you could view the G7'd articles as future articles that will be edited by others, and treat them the same way? Any chance you could give the OK to undelete those that are already deleted, so that AN thread can be closed, and it gives horrible people less of an opportunity to be horrible?
However this ends up, sorry to see you this miserable, and if you ever change your mind, we'll be here. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Floquenbeam: It greatly decreases the likelihood that I will come back after the self-block period, but I guess if you guys want to keep them its ok. I figure this will get easier in a few days whether the articles remain or not.Seraphim System (talk) 02:42, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- I suspect you'll either not want to come back in 6 months, regardless of whether they are there or not, or you'll want to come back and you'd ask for them to be undeleted anyway. Enjoy the time away, and I hope you decide to do whatever is best. Thanks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- That actually made me laugh, there is no way I would come back and ask for 100 articles to be undeleted, I would feel too stupid. Seraphim System (talk) 02:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- I suspect you'll either not want to come back in 6 months, regardless of whether they are there or not, or you'll want to come back and you'd ask for them to be undeleted anyway. Enjoy the time away, and I hope you decide to do whatever is best. Thanks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
@Floquenbeam: Thank you for supporting my petition but I didn't know there was a "good faith" requirement for G7. I will keep that in mind for the future - I guess I can reconsider this when I'm less emotional. If I still want them deleted in say, 6 months, I imagine then it would be considered a good faith request? I definitely feel comforted by the thought that the articles will be edited by others in the future, so by that reasoning, I don't mind if you guys close the thread and restore whichever articles are decided to be of value, provided I can request the G7 if I still want it after some time has passed.Seraphim System (talk) 03:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- That seems like a good compromise. As you know I cannot guarantee how Wikipedians will react to something 6 months from now. But it seems at least marginally more likely than now. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:04, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, I hope you don't mind some comments from me (about a couple of things). I personally would not have revoked your page mover right, as your replies were during the immediate stress situation that was happening at AN - I would have left it a while and given all heads time to cool. But that's one thing, and the other is your deletion requests for your contributed articles. I also have no idea how the community might react in six months, but I hope you will not want them deleted and will, instead, want to leave them as your contribution to the encyclopedia and for the benefit of those who have read and will in future read them. In fact, more than that, I hope you will want to rejoin the project - and I say that as someone who's been in a similar pissed-off situation. I reached a stage some time ago where I really had had enough of this place and of the nastiness there can be, and I'd decided I needed to walk away - and I ended up having a complete break for more than a year. I came back thinking that maybe the bad stuff wasn't *that* important, that the good stuff outweighs it, and that it's a project that's still worthwhile despite its horrors. Anyway, take as much time as you want, and please consider coming back when you feel better - and I'm sure you will feel better. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Some baklava for you!
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- I hope you come back. Enjoy your break. —usernamekiran(talk) 17:45, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
- Take care of yourself IRL. That's what's important. I understand that things on here can be stressful (I've experienced it myself, including the overwhelming desire to just quit). I've found that having a little distance gives me a better perspective on what's most important. Good luck! ~Awilley (talk) 20:22, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
GiantSnowman
@MrX: I don't really mind if you mention me in discussions but why you are pinging me? I am still active on foreign language Wiki, so I do receive notices of these pings. Where in WP:IDHT does it say I have to agree with you? I don't think Swarm gave WP:IDHT as a reason for removing the perm, so I don't think you should make it sound like he did. My response at AN, which was basically Fuck'd if I care
but with more words, was enough of a reason to take away the perm. I would have made the same call in his position. It's not a constructive attitude, so the fault is mine, because I lost my patience over time ... I agree with you that editors losing trust in the process over time very concretely leads to significant losses for the project and I think that is important. But I think each case needs to be considered on its own merits, including GiantSnowman. The removal of my perm is an unecessary complication and unrelated to anything going on with GS. Desysopping is a lot more serious then just removing one rarely used permission from an editor. It involves multiple tools some of which may be being used to the benefit of the project and ARBCOM needs to consider everything. If anything, I support unbundling the tools. It is stupid that a vital editor should lose all the tools because they've had a problem with one of them. Many admins do significant heavy lifting and we can't easily let them go, unless there is someone to pick up the slack. That is reality.Seraphim System (talk) 16:23, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- I pinged you as a courtesy and I'm sorry if it was unwelcome. I stated my opinion of the discussion that led to your loss of the page mover bit, which I don't have strong feelings about. Personally, if you were allowed to keep the page mover right like Beyond My Ken was allowed to do in a similar case, I would have been fine with that outcome. I do believe that there is a cadre of admins who rush to protect other admins when they are called to account, and that admins are often treated differently than regular editors. I agree that admins should not be demoted for simply misusing a tool, unless they continue to misuse it. Admins who misuse multiple tools multiple times probably should be de-sysopped, although I don't yet know if that's the case in this Arbcom request, because I have not reviewed the most recent evidence. Thank you for sharing your perspective, which I value.- MrX 🖋 16:56, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- ETA: I support unbundling too. - MrX 🖋 16:57, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018
Hello Seraphim System,
- Reviewer of the Year
This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to Onel5969. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554 reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285 edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.
- Thanks are also extended for their work to JTtheOG (15,059 reviews), Boleyn (12,760 reviews), Cwmhiraeth (9,001 reviews), Semmendinger (8,440 reviews), PRehse (8,092 reviews), Arthistorian1977 (5,306 reviews), Abishe (4,153 reviews), Barkeep49 (4,016 reviews), and Elmidae (3,615 reviews).
Cwmhiraeth, Semmendinger, Barkeep49, and Elmidae have been New Page Reviewers for less than a year — Barkeep49 for only seven months, while Boleyn, with an edit count of 250,000 since she joined Wikipedia in 2008, has been a bastion of New Page Patrol for many years.
See also the list of top 100 reviewers.
- Less good news, and an appeal for some help
The backlog is now approaching 5,000, and still rising. There are around 640 holders of the NPR flag, most of whom appear to be inactive. The 10% of the reviewers who do 90% of the work could do with some support especially as some of them are now taking a well deserved break.
- Really good news - NPR wins the Community Wishlist Survey 2019
At #1 position, the Community Wishlist poll closed on 3 December with a resounding success for NPP, reminding the WMF and the volunteer communities just how critical NPP is to maintaining a clean encyclopedia and the need for improved tools to do it. A big 'thank you' to everyone who supported the NPP proposals. See the results.
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This week's article for improvement (week 51, 2018)
 A bookworm / beetle grub found inside a paperback book, showing some of the damage it has wrought
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Tech News
- Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 7 January 2019.
Recent changes
- Some templates that show notices about the content of the page will now be shown on the mobile website. In many cases they were hidden before. [14][15]
- Admins can no longer unblock themselves, except for self-blocks. A blocked admin can block the user who blocked them but no one else. This is so no one can block all admins on a wiki without being stopped. [16]
- The ParserMigration extension has been removed. It compared the result of two versions of the MediaWiki wikitext parsing pipeline. It was used when we moved to the Remex parsing library instead of Tidy.
Problems
<ref>tags can use parameters such as "name" or "group". For example<ref name="adams" group="books">. If a<ref>tag has more than two parameters all parameters are ignored. You don't get a warning that they don't work. This will soon be fixed. [17]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 December. It will be on all wikis from 20 December (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 19 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Wikimedia Foundation Android app team are working on making it easier to edit on mobile phones. You can read more about these plans. If you have an Android phone and speak at least two languages you can help testing in English. Tell Dchen (WMF) you want to be part of the testing by writing on her talk page or email her.
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tiles.wmflabs.organdwma.wmflabs.orgwill stop working. They have no maintainers and run an old operating system. Tools which use it could stop working. This includes the mapnik gadget, hill shading, and hike and bike layers. New maintainers could help out and keep it going. [18]
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January 2019 at Women in Red
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This week's article for improvement (week 52, 2018)
 A diagram that includes the scalp
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The Signpost: 24 December 2018
- From the editors: Where to draw the line in reporting?
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- Arbitration report: Year ends with one active case
- Traffic report: Queen dethroned by U.S. presidents
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- Humour: I believe in Bigfoot
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Facto Post – Issue 19 – 27 December 2018
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Zotero is free software for reference management by the Center for History and New Media: see Wikipedia:Citing sources with Zotero. It is also an active user community, and has broad-based language support.  Besides the handiness of Zotero's warehousing of personal citation collections, the Zotero translator underlies the citoid service, at work behind the VisualEditor. Metadata from Wikidata can be imported into Zotero; and in the other direction the zotkat tool from the University of Mannheim allows Zotero bibliographies to be exported to Wikidata, by item creation. With an extra feature to add statements, that route could lead to much development of the focus list (P5008) tagging on Wikidata, by WikiProjects. There is also a large-scale encyclopedic dimension here. The construction of Zotero translators is one facet of Web scraping that has a strong community and open source basis. In that it resembles the less formal mix'n'match import community, and growing networks around other approaches that can integrate datasets into Wikidata, such as the use of OpenRefine. Looking ahead, the thirtieth birthday of the World Wide Web falls in 2019, and yet the ambition to make webpages routinely readable by machines can still seem an ever-retreating mirage. Wikidata should not only be helping Wikimedia integrate its projects, an ongoing process represented by Structured Data on Commons and lexemes. It should also be acting as a catalyst to bring scraping in from the cold, with institutional strengths as well as resourceful code.
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This week's article for improvement (week 1, 2018)
 Poster for a production of Boucicault's farce Contempt of Court, c. 1879. From the Library of Congress.
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The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019
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This week's article for improvement (week 2, 2019)
 An example of page orientation: a smartphone positioned upright (portrait orientation) and horizontally (landscape orientation)
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Tech News writers, editors and translators wish you a pleasant 2019 year.
Recent changes
- RelatedSites extension has been undeployed. It was used to create interwiki links on Wikivoyage, now handled by Wikidata. [19]
- MediaWiki logstash logging is moving to a new infrastructure. This is an ongoing deployment. [20]
- codesearch.wmflabs.org has been updated, with new and updated repositories and a new search options for code. [21]
- On several wikis, an account named "Edit filter" has been created on December 17 to perform some technical maintenance on AbuseFilter. This account has sysop rights but it's a system user and no human can use it. The account already existed on wikis where AbuseFilter can perform blocks, which are issued using this account. See T212268 for more information and future plans.
Problems
- In AbuseFilter, the "Throttle" action takes three parameters: count, period and groups. They must now strictly respect the requirements listed on mediawiki.org. A list of broken filters is on Phabricator. If you're familiar with AbuseFilter, please take a look and fix them. [22]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 8. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from January 9. It will be on all wikis from January 10 (calendar).
Meetings
- Search Platform Office Hours is rescheduled to January 9. Check the details for time and date.
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This week's article for improvement (week 3, 2019)
 Vicki Gunvalson in 2009
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can now use Google Translate in the content translation tool. [23][24]
- You can now add captions to files on Commons. Captions are short descriptions of the file. They can be translated to all languages we use. They can't use wikitext markup.
- Earlier a quoted HTML attribute had to be followed by a space. Now it doesn't. This means that some pages could look different when you save them even if you didn't edit that part of the text. [25][26]
- Templates with <templatestyles> could not show the difference between the live template and the sandbox version when they were tested. This has now been fixed. <templatestyles> has a new
wrapperparameter now. You can use it for selectors like.mw-parser-output <wrapper parameter value> <selector from CSS page>. [27]
Problems
- When you see an edit in the recent changes feed or in the history of a page some of them have tags. Some tags are added automatically. You can also add tags manually. Tags for edits that have been added manually can be edited. This didn't work for a little while. This has now been fixed. [28]
Changes later this week
- You can move files from your wiki to Wikimedia Commons and keep the file history with the new FileExporter. It will be a beta feature on all wikis from 16 January. If you want to test it you activate it and check your wiki's configuration file.
- Users who could cause more damage to the wikis if someone took over their account have to have more secure passwords. This includes administrators and other user groups. They can't use passwords that are in a list of common passwords. Accounts with common passwords are easy to take over. The list of common passwords was made longer a few weeks ago and has a different error message. Some user groups have been added to those who can't use common passwords. This is to protect all accounts with user rights that could cause damage. [29]
- The AbuseFilter variable
minor_edithas been removed. It was deprecated in 2016. Now you can't use it. You can fix the filters using it. You can find them if you use the search bar on Special:AbuseFilter. - The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 15
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