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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018

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NPP Backlog Elimination Drive

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Approving change on Xherdan Shaqiri

Why did you approve this change? The hidden comment clearly states "THIS IS PLACE OF BIRTH, not CURRENT NATION" yet when the editor's comment is "Gjilan is a city in Kosovo". Thanks for you help, but I'd like to know the rationale since I reverted it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:02, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: I checked and it seems to be in Kosovo, I think it would be more clear if the comment said (not in caps) - "Shaqiri was born in 1991, before the breakup of Yugoslavia. Please do not change this to Kosovo without discussion." - if this is a recurring issue, and reflects a consensus. Seraphim System ^(talk) 17:26, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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Iraqi art

When the article, Iraqi art was created, it did not include any information about the preferred version of English, nor did it use any words or expressions that were distinctly "British" or "American." Now that the article has been significantly expanded, it is liable to become unstable as different editors seek to impose their preferred English variant on it. To ensure long term stability, and freedom from endless wiki-tweaking and arguments, it seems advisable to apply at least one English langugage variant. My thinking is that because the country was a British protectorate until it gained independence, it would be quite reasonble to use British English. Obviously, you have different ideas, and since you started the article, please suggest at least one variant of English for the article, so that it is clear to everyone what is expected. Until, the preferred variant of English has been clarified, I wipe my hands of it, and will not be expanding it any further. BronHiggs (talk) 04:14, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

I generally write in American English, unless I am working on articles about British history, as in the early history of Britain itself, where I use British English as a courtesy. If you want to use British English because that is the English variant you use and you are working on the article I don't have any objection to that. I didn't realize you were the same editor who has been expanding the article — it seemed a bit odd to switch because of the mandate for an article covering the 3rd through 21st centuries (as would converting the Second Temple Period article or something like that)Seraphim System ^(talk) 04:35, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

@BronHiggs: Ok, I standardized it to universal british. Hopefully that fixes the problem.Seraphim System ^(talk) 04:47, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank-you for clarifying that. It is important to use just one variant of English within the same article. I don't really mind which one that is - just as long as it is used consistently, which hopefully will occur now that you have added the variant at the top of the article. BronHiggs (talk) 05:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Pyrrho (RDBMS)

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Religion and the (Infobox Person)

Check it out for yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Infobox_person_using_religion&pageuntil=Vlaicu%2C+Aurel%0AAurel+Vlaicu#mw-pages

Reverting the edit only causes an error message to be produced. The subjects religion does NOT appear in the infobox after the undo. It did NOT appear before I made the edit.
Gene Wilson (talk) 02:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

I removed it and the denomination, they were both removed from the template by consensus. I linked to the RfC in my edit summary. Seraphim System ^(talk) 02:18, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to look at the information. Gene Wilson (talk) 02:54, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Alan Sabrosky for deletion

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Pyrrho (RDBMS) at DRV

I just noticed I never got around to replying to this edit, sorry. A7 applies only to the very specific list of subjects at WP:CSD#A7: individual people or groups, organizations, or companies of them; animals; web content and websites; and organized events, and furthermore only to nonfictional ones of them. Just being closely associated with one of those - a work of fiction, a song, a product, even a product sold only via a website - doesn't qualify. (Though in practice, any song you'd want to A7 will either qualify for A9, or can be redirected to its artist's article; and most products whose companies' articles have been deleted as A7s will probably be deletable as G11s.) If you're looking for a statement of that in policy, it's further down on WP:CSD, at WP:NOTCSD #6. Admins aren't authorized to unilaterally delete articles not on those subjects for failure to claim significance; when one does - and it happens plenty often - he's not performing an A7 speedy deletion, he's deliberately ignoring the rules in the hopes nobody will complain about it.

The reasons for that are largely historical and inertial. A7 initially applied only to real, individual people (see Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Proposal/1), and slowly got expanded into its other subject areas as we began getting inundated with low-quality articles about them. (Animals were a genuine anomaly here - we never had more than the occasional article about someone's pet cat or whatever.) The usual excuses proffered at proposals to expand it further are either that we don't get enough articles to justify making the criterion even more complex, or that an average admin unfamiliar with the subject area couldn't be expected to reliably identify a claim of importance or significance. The latter, specifically, is almost always why expansions of A7 to software have failed to gain consensus; though I rather suspect we're getting to the point where we can at least come up with a speedy deletion criterion for mobile apps based around the A9 model.

There simply isn't a measurable guide to importance/significance that can be applied to an arbitrary subject, like the WP:GNG can; and A7 looks for claims of "importance or significance", not of "notability". That's also a historical accident: when A7 first passed, it wouldn't have been able to if it had been instead worded as "an article about a real person that does not assert that person's notability", even though at that time it meant the exact same thing. The word "notability" was an inflammatory sticking point at WP:VFD around then, and was nominally used in the usual real world sense, but always really meant "I [do/don't] think we should have an article about this subject, because they don't meet my arbitrary personal yardstick of importance". It wasn't until two or three years later that the term was cleverly reclaimed by making it a restatement of WP:Verifiability. Inertia and the folks opposed to any sort of deletion managed to keep the speedy deletion criterion unchanged, though, and so we're still stuck using the muzzy personal-yardstick model for it. —Cryptic 00:13, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

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Meddy

Hi SS. I've declined your speedy deletion request for this article, since although the sources are generally pretty shitty, there's enough there to at least make a claim to notability (which is enough to decline an A7). Feel free to chuck it to AFD, though. Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:08, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

@Yunshui: Sorry you're right, I was going by the first criteria in Wikipedia:Credible_claim_of_significance that it wasn't asserted in the article. I didn't think any of the sources was enough to claim significance Significance is a lower standard than notability. - I get that this is an essay, but that is what I was going by since it's linked in the policy. My reasoning for the nomination was that being one of 500 startups was not a claim of significance.Seraphim System ^(talk) 10:18, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh hey, no worries, and no explanation needed - we've all had CSD tags declined at some point. I do get your reasoning, but since our requirement for notability - the higher standard of the two - looks as though it may be met (not saying it is, of course), a discussion really ought to be had, rather than outright deletion. Mind you, YMMV - other editors may well disagree with me on this. Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:23, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Duh, you're right. I nominated several articles for AfD today while working though NPP, and I'm not the only one, so I'm also thinking about the burden it puts on AfD. It's possible, sometimes they are kept, but just today I voted keep on an article that was probably notable, but we ended up agreeing to delete it as ISNOT promo. I don't mind either way.Seraphim System ^(talk) 10:39, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Hi Kindly change the result of war to ( Egyptian military victory ) because that's the truth . Visit Arabic version of this war and you will see the result is Egyptian military was the victory . Best regards Mrx480 (talk) 18:52, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Sources needed for Days of the Year pages

I see you recently accepted a pending change to July 8. I looked for a source for this date of birth in Marion Hartzog Smoak and it was unsupported by any source there either.

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. I've gone ahead and un-accepted this edit and backed it out.

Please do not accept additions to day of year pages where no direct source has been provided on that day of year page. The burden to provide sources for additions to these pages is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 01:07, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for letting me know.Seraphim System ^(talk) 07:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

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Report at AE

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Tech News: 2018-28

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Your description is completely false and you should self-revert

You said that there are "there are three who oppose on the talk page and only you support" when in fact several users on the talk page who have expressed support for the long-standing version. The editors who are edit-warring right now are the ones who have lost previous disputes on this and keep re-litigating this every four months. In fact, Darouet and Thucydides were the only ones who supported your version of the article until you and the guy who deleted Andrew Gelman's assessment showed up. So, as it stands, you're right now responsible for removing academic sources, making the lede inconsistent with the body and abetting two edit-warriors who have brought zero to bear in the content dispute. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 06:06, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, with Darouet that's four. Please continue the discussion on the article talk page, not here.Seraphim System ^(talk) 06:12, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

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Catholic Church art

Would you be willing to make a relisting instead (at least once) on Talk:Catholic Church art? Thanks! Chicbyaccident (talk) 09:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Chicbyaccident: Hi, I decided to close as no consensus because it looked like the discussion was heading towards discussing three titles - both Art of the Catholic Church and Catholic religious art were proposed in the course of the discussion and I thought the oppose arguments regarding the scope made by Johnbod and In ictu oculi were compelling. Some editors prefer to keep the discussions shorter and propose multiple modified proposals until a consensus is reached, where options A,B,C are added and discussed until a consensus is reached, but if you prefer to relist I can do that.Seraphim System ^(talk) 14:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I would advocate relisting. It looked like the discussion was about to resolve to me, if only perhaps a few more voices came around. Chicbyaccident (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Failing that, I think a new one for "C religious art" would pass. Johnbod (talk) 17:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree in that perception as a secondary best option. Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:03, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm fine with relisting - I'll clarify support for "C religious art". Johnbod (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

"Catholic" is implicitely in the most popular sense a religious adjective, isn't it? Anyway, I'll let go of the discussion here. Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

taking offense

I have so far refrained from commenting on the stunning hypocrisy of some Serrano's critics who have committed actual crimes (vandalism, destruction of property) or are being charged with an otherwise unrelated crime (sexual assault). I'd encourage editors who are offended by Serrano's work to spend a few moments contemplating that and coming to terms with the fact that not all offensive speech is hate speech. Vexations (talk) 14:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not offended by Serrano's work, and I don't see that anyone else on the talk page is either. I am mildly irritated by your assumption that I am, but we'll let that slide. This has been discussed in reliable sources, and no one objecting to this has responded substantively to what those sources actually say - no one is arguing that offensive speech is hate speech, I'm only objecting to removal of relevant categories for grandiose reasons.Seraphim System ^(talk) 15:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Category:Christianity and art

Setting this up was not a good idea - in categories "art" always means "visual art", with "the arts" covering all forms. It is redundant to several other categories in the tree. I suggest you empty it, & request a deletion. Thanks, Johnbod (talk) 00:51, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Johnbod I don't think it's redundant - there's a difference between "Christian art" like the crucifixion and Piss Christ. We've been discussing all day what a good category for it would be. Where should we put it? Obviously we can't add at to "blasphemous art". Most of the sources that discuss it talk about it as "Religion and art" not "religous art".Seraphim System ^(talk) 01:03, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Sigh! The films and books don't belong there, and then what are you left with? You might look at Alexamenos graffito. Johnbod (talk) 01:16, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

@Johnbod: Sorry, I'm not trying to make this more difficult then it needs to be - another editor just told me about WP:DEFINING and I was trying to follow it. Here's what Oxford Handbook says "When considering atheism and the visual arts, works like Andres Serrano’s Piss Christ, the crucified cows of Damien Hirst’s Natural History, or even Andy Warhol’s celebrity screen prints might come to mind. These works, and those like them, figure as likely candidates because they seem to offend, or at least confound, religious sensibilities. This however is to conflate atheism with heresy or blasphemy. Rather, the deepest expression of atheism in the visual arts is God’s complete irrelevance to the project of modern and contemporary art. And to understand this, the heart of atheism and the visual arts, means looking not to today’s postmodern art trends but rather to the Renaissance origins of the split between art and religion." — you know the existing category structure in more detail then I do obviously, so maybe you could recommend something. Maybe Category:Postmodern art would work. Seraphim System ^(talk) 01:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit Warring

I will not edit war with you, but be advised that your edits on various Turkish massacres are contentious. If you honestly think that Turkey is not involved in anything pre-1922, why aren't you removing all the pre-1922 positive references to Turkey that pre-date that year? Selective editing evidences some sort of agenda. WP is not a battlefield. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

@Carlossuarez46: why aren't you removing all the pre-1922 positive references to Turkey that pre-date that year - What positive references to pre-1922 Turkey are there in a category about Massacres committed by Turkey that I've left in? Until now, I thought you had made a good faith mistake while doing an administrative task because you didn't know when Turkey was founded (1923). This is completely inappropriate. Seraphim System ^(talk) 17:22, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

For example, I moved Category:Attacks on churches to the new category Category:Hate crimes against Christians, but editors rightly point out that the designation of hate crime needs to meet WP:DEFINING. However, this is true of "Persecution" as well. There is long tradition of classifying church arsons in the US as hate crimes—but I'm not satisfied with the current category, because most of them are actually race based hate crimes. However, they are certainly not part of a "Persecution of Christians". But some of the other subcategories most like are part of larger persecutions. So the fact that we have have set it up with a subcategory (Attacks on churches) that is more general then the parents (Persecution of Christians and Hate crimes/Hate crimes against Christians) is imperfect. But, I'm not really sure right now what can be done about it. Seraphim System ^(talk) 20:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Pastirma

I have seen your concerns and am re-adding some of your content.

A lot of your changed were good, but some of it violated long-standing talk-page consensus; that's what I'm removing. Please be patient with me, I should be done shortly. 74.70.146.1 (talk) 18:06, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

No it hasn't, all you've done is make a series of rapid fire edits removing and re-adding the same content, which is completely inappropriate in mainspace, and you've restored SPS to the article while doing this. It's completely unacceptable. I'm rolling it back and I suggest that you stop. Seraphim System ^(talk) 18:11, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

You have removed sourced, long-standing content that stated that Pastirma has an Armenian origin in favor of your preferred version, which uses dubious sources to state that it has a Turkish origin. Can we discuss this civilly on the talk page? I'd be willing to open up an RfC or go to mediation, but I will not let this rest as-is. 74.70.146.1 (talk) 18:19, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't see what there is to discuss until you are able to suggest some sources that are not SPS. The multiple sources that I added to clean up the mess in the etymology section are far from dubious. Most of them are expert sources in classics. The only source for the Armenian origin is SPS. I looked for, and could not find, any non-SPS supporting this. I spent hours working on the section, if you want to make changes to a well-sourced section you are going to need actual reliable sources that support those changes. It is actually unlikely that this dish has an Armenian origin, as Armenian cuisine, another article that I sourced and expanded, is very much herb, fruit, rice and cultivated vegetable based. This is extremely disruptive to remove reliable sources and replace them with SPS. Seraphim System ^(talk) 18:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

I will not discuss this further off of the article's talk page. 74.70.146.1 (talk) 18:29, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

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I think an RfC for a first edit is a bit suspicious, but I don't know if it will be enough for the CUs to intervene.Seraphim System ^(talk) 23:21, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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Closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maggie Aiono

Hi Seraphim System, I'm afraid I have to object to your "keep" decision.

There were four Keep !votes and Two in favour of deletion (the nominator and myself). Two of the Keep !votes were based on an erroneous reading of WP:NOLY which states that only medal winners at Paralympic Games qualify, not every participant (which is the case for Olympic athletes). Another of the Keep !votes stated no reason at all. So, discounting the two based on an incorrect argument, that leaves only two keeps, the one without motivation and another that claims the subject meets GNG. However, I believe in my delete !vote I properly refuted the GNG claim. In the light of this would you consider reverting the close and relisting the AFD. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:13, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@Dodger67: Ok, relisted. No harm in leaving it open a while longer. Seraphim System ^(talk) 22:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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Please note that diff1 and diff2 violate the original author provision of WP:ARBPIA's 1RR clause.Icewhiz (talk) 07:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@Icewhiz: I took the article off my watchlist - there is too much back and forth and it was distracting me from more productive things. I didn't know the editing restrictions apply to the article talk page. I'm sorry I can't keep track of all the different things that can go wrong under discretionary sanctions, maybe it would help if someone wrote a clear guideline about this for new editors that actually explained the different types of sanctions and how they are different from one another. Don't the talk pages need to have edit notices added to them under the modified awareness requirements? Anyway, based on your edit summary and the lack of other objections I didn't think this edit would be controversial and I don't need this stress about the minutiae of discretionary sanctions. I don't really understand why the edit is bothering you and I don't really care - just undo it if it you have a problem with it. Seraphim System ^(talk) 17:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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Do you mind if I reorganize the sources section here? I think it would be better to have a subsection for each news source.

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