Talk:Kibbeh nayyeh

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Clearly, this article is not neutral and does not comply with WP:NPOV. No one can seriously claim Kibbeh nayyeh to be exclusively lebanese, because it's a common Levantine cuisine. Mostly associated with Aleppo, where there are 16 variations of it.

The cited book by a lebanese author, says "Kibbeh Nayeh, (Lebanese dish)" and thats all, which is really not enough to claim it's exclusively lebanese. Falafel is part of Palestinian, Syrian, and Lebanese cuisines, but that doesn't mean it originated in any of these countries. It comes from Egypt.

Another source that's used is NPR which quotes a Lebanese chef that repeats the lebanese myth story. Why is Kamal Mouzawak a reliable source? He is neither an academic nor a historian! Moreover, kamal doesn't necessarily say kibbe originated in Lebanon. He just tells an old story of kibbe nayye from his country. Using this source to claim it originated in leb is an original research.

Regarding Tasteatlas, much of the info there is user-generated. The origin of cuisines is far too complicated for such a source to be used.

There are two stories about the origins of KN, Aleppo's story is more likely to be true. https://www.smh.com.au/traveller/inspiration/the-raw-meat-dish-australians-are-finally-ready-for-20230908-p5e35l.html

Note:Sydney Morning Herald is a reliable source per WP:RSP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

The history section doesn't comply with WP:RSOPINION and cites a low-quality lebanese source that talks about the lebanese myth and ignores the more likely Aleppine story. And another source, a self-published book by a lebanese Patriarch. Of course, someone from Lebanon is more likely to tell the lebanese story. The sources are anything but reliable. If you disagree, explain why it is not unreliable.

This source says, Kibbe nayyeh is a dish served in Syria and Lebanon: https://books.google.com/books?id=7MK3DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA25&dq=kibbeh+dish+in+Syria+and+Lebanon+called+%E2%80%9C+kibbeh+nayeh+%E2%80%9D+which+can+be+translated+to+raw/uncooked+kibbeh&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx-cGBmbKDAxUIgf0HHQumCWwQ6AF6BAgHEAM#v=onepage&q=kibbeh%20dish%20in%20Syria%20and%20Lebanon%20called%20%E2%80%9C%20kibbeh%20nayeh%20%E2%80%9D%20which%20can%20be%20translated%20to%20raw%2Funcooked%20kibbeh&f=false

The book talks about Arab traditional food is peer-reviewed by Springer

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-24620-4_2 Whatsupkarren (talk) 14:11, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]