User talk:Royalbroil/Archive8

April Fool's Day DYK

Hi, Royalbroil. You seemed very involved in evaluating candidates for the April 1st DYK section--and I saw some funny ideas being tossed around. I had a look at the main page, none of the current DYK's look terribly odd/funny/unusual. Am I missing the joke, is the update delayed, or did someone decide not to be funny this year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk • contribs)

My WiFi internet connection has been almost constantly down because of rain. I bet that the first group had not cycled in yet. I am surprised that the group included exclusively April Fool's Day hooks instead of spreading them out over the day. I should have been notified about the Alien abduction insurance article that I started. Royalbroil 03:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well at least they're up now. Nicely done (the JFK line is my favorite)!--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 03:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - and thanks for all of your hard work on this. My guess is that I can find more odd things on the NRHP for next year's April Fools, and the West Rim Trail was an idea I sat on for almost a year (thought of it April 1 last year). I enjoyed your alien abduction insurance hook a lot. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Excellent idea for next year. Thanks for the recognition and I'm glad that you enjoyed the hook! Royalbroil 14:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• What happened to the funny Ben Affleck one? Spikebrennan (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Alien abduction insurance

On 1 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alien abduction insurance, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 04:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Alan Kulwicki review

I will get a review up for it this week. I have been having to deal with some family issues lately. Hope you understand and sorry for me holding it off.

--Tlayden (talk) 18:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I caused any problems for you with the review. I was new to Wikipedia at the time and had no clue that there was a process involved for review. I looked at a few articles to review and it caught my attention, so along on other reviews I just COMMENTED on it. While I agree that the person who calls it should get it (the article), experience on Wikipedia is not a major factor in being able to review something for that matter....Have Zenlax review the article.

--Tlayden (talk) 05:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

North Wilkesboro Speedway

Yes I am very interested in North Wilkesboro Speedway, in fact I am the web designer for the company Save The Speedway that is documenting all the history at the track and is placing the historical marker for the track in May. To answer your question on if the track is accessible, Yes it is. If there is a way I can contact you my private email I could give you more information. Also in our collection of photos and images Save The Speedway has more the 1000 photos and images, as well as video and program covers that have been given to us with expressed permission to use. I will try and get some of the photos together and put them on the page for other to see. Feel free to contact me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swilson2000 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Desmond Lardner-Burke

Thanks for the response - I just thought I'd offer it up, in case you were planning to get a third round in. I thought the fact was more bizarre than funny, but there are plenty of straight facts of interest. I may well nominate it for the ordinary front page. Warofdreams talk_

Why

Why did ya vandalize the Linkin Park article? Blue Laser (talk) 22:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Why did you ask several people this same question - an April Fool's Day prank? Royalbroil 00:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Image use

Yes absolutely, feel free to do so. --D-Day (talk) 10:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Don Nicholson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bobet 12:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Garbage

Removed unsourced lines for now. Ultra! 16:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw that. That's a good idea, they don't seem very important. I'd read through the article to improve it, but I want the article to be stable. I hope that I'm interpreting the stability criteria right. Royalbroil 19:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

April Fools' Main Page

Hi, I noticed you are archiving some of this year's discussion. Thanks for that! Do you think you might be able to also create archived versions of the AFMP? I think someone did so for last year but this years is now gone, near as I can tell. Unless I was looking in the wrong place. I'm thinking that since this is now a 3 year old tradition, an archive structure that didn't just use the standard archive box might be better ... some sort of embedded template that all the talk pages carry that shows, by year, the main page, the main page talk, the DYK talk pate, the FA talk page, etc. It might be a bit much to do but might also avoid some rediscovery/reinvention each year. I noticed this because my blog link to yesterday's main page is already stale and I was trying to find what to link to... what do you think? ++Lar: t/c 18:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll look into it. I did some archiving last year, so I did the same thing this year. So 2008 was the third year (2006, 2007, 2008). I didn't know that. I made a checklist for myself below, feel free to expand. Royalbroil 19:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

K! Did. Thx. ++Lar: t/c 21:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

To Do

• Fix the links so that someone can easily navigate between the each year's various (2007, etc.) talk pages (links are currently wrong)
  • Really fancy: make it a nav box so you can embed it in many places and nav from 2006 DYK to 2007 DYK to 2008 FA in one click.

 Done

• Make an archive box template specific for April Fool's Day that links all of the archives
  • Really fancy, takes into account that there is a tree structure to the pages where DYK and FA are sub pages of the overall page...

 Done

• Create static versions of the 2 main pages from 2006, 2007, 2008 (both) (if not already done) and include link to them in the archive box.
  • 2 main pages? you mean having statics for how the DYK changed (I know in 2008 there was at least one change in the DYK articles, maybe more, and seeing all of them is goodness, if doable)

 Done (poorly worded on my part)

• Research 2005. SOMETHING was done on the main page more than just out and out vandalism, but I forget what, and the structure there may make it hard to find.

 Done

• regularize the names and locations (subpages) of things where they deviate a bit)

 Done

• pat self on back for a good job :)

 Done  Done  Done

Kulwicki GA

Well done. Regarding FA, you'll have gathered that you'll need a copyediting specialist to look over it. Try the WP:PRV page for volunteers (not me though, I'm too close to the topic, and obviously not yet up to Tony1's high standards!). Regarding refs, I think you'll have some work to do. Especially now that Ealdgyth tends to check all weblinks and question whether they're reliable. The major websites (NASCAR.com NYT etc) are all fine, obviously. There are some that are reproductions of good sources, but by sites that we don't know are reliable in themselves (I'm thinking of ones like 2, 4, 14, 23 (duplicate of 2?)). That means that strictly they don't count as reliable sources. There are also some broken links (already!) Nos. 11, 17, 18, 19. You may be able to find a cached copy or look on the Internet Archive. The underbird.com site looks like a fan site, which is tricky because it's self-published. You might perhaps argue that in this particular case, it's appropriate. You may also be asked whether sites like Ultimate racing results, Racing reference info and Laidback racing.com are reliable, so have your answer ready! Sorry to bring more work! 4u1e (talk) 18:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Redlinks: You tend not to see many. A few redlinks shouldn't really be a barrier to GA or even FA (I don't think it's in the criteria for either), provided that they're to things that really should have an article on Wikipedia (meeting notability criteria and all that stuff). If there are loads I think it would put reviewers off. 4u1e (talk) 06:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Quick question

Since you are now and administrator (Congrats on the Kulwicki GA. I assisted you courtesy of the Hooters magazine article on the 25th annivesery of the company earlier this year), I have a quick question. If you click on the Luis Palau article, you will see two pictures. The second one is the one I am interested in since I took it and uploaded it last September. An anonyous user from Australia is claiming I have a possible copyright violation because I took the picture from the Jumbotron used at the Georgia International Horse Park in Conyers. I have explained that I was not able to get close enough to Palau to take the picture so taking it on the Jumbotron was the next best option. How can a free use image be classified as a copyright violation? I don't get it. Chris (talk) 20:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I did what you said. I hate that because I thought it was a good picture to where I could present the picture. Oh well. Try again when he shows up in Conyers on Labor Day weekend again. This time I will make certain to get a better shot if possible minus the Jumbotron. Chris (talk) 03:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I also did it to another picture I took: Natalie Grant which I took at the same location in September. Chris (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Kulwicki GA

Congratulations on the article becoming recognized as Good. I know you put a lot of work into that. I just looked at it, and there are parts I don't recognize, so you put even more hard work into it! And I didn't realize you'd become an admin, so congrats on that too!. -Freekee (talk) 02:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: next dyk

Thanks! I was hoping someone would comment on that one eventually, since it's the only hook for the 31st of march and 1st of april that still had a decent picture, but I didn't want to put something I wrote myself on the page without someone at least commenting on it. Now I can finish the update with a peace of mind. - Bobet 00:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. And thanks for uploading the image for me. - Bobet 00:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The Woodlands Resort (A7)

Dear Royalbroil,

Just wondering why The Woodlands Resort information was deleted based on A7 when many other hotel and resorts appear on Wikipedia?

The Woodlands,Texas wikipedia page has a link to The Woodlands Resort wikipedia page but no information appears on the resort. I'm trying to correct that by contributing information but it was deleted.

Your insight is appreciated. Bkaplan (talk) 16:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK writeup

Thanks, Royal; I added that over on WP:FCDW so we can schedule it in, still unsure what we're doing on the 14th. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Aiming for May 5 for the Dispatch, unless something comes up (like the 2000th promotion :-) Please tune in to the talk page at WP:FCDW for discussion about whether the 5th will work out for you. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Alan Kulwicki

My advice to you would be to get a second opinion on the article's status for it becoming a Feature article. I would give opinions on it, but I am terribly busy and don't have time to give you the correct standards for the article being qualified for Feature article. Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I was hoping that you would do it while you were reviewing against GA. I have run the article past numerous people. I just need an English wordsmith expert to review the prose. Royalbroil 02:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

re: The Woodlands Resort

RoyalBroil,

Thanks for the feedback.

Now that the page has been deleted, what is the next step? Do I just start over add more information about the resort (and what makes it notable with references)?

Your help is appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkaplan (talk • contribs) 20:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

UCLA digital library program images

Roybalbroil

Sorry to see that the LA Times images were deleted and my apologies for completely disappearing from the discussion at the end of Feb. I went out on medical leave and returned to work this week.

To fill in the gaps, LA Times transferred the copyrights to UCLA; for negatives the university physically has in its possession. I was hoping that our legal counsel could work out a way with Wikipedia policies to keep the images up. I believe UCLA counsel and others in the UC system are continuing to research ways to contribute material to Wikipedia.

My Thanks to you, Anderson and Evrik for the help and discussion.

Ucladigilib (talk) 22:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

dbopm : "I Love You Truly"

Royalbroil, thanks for your correction. Not being a regular contributor, I'm struggling to learn the rules here. (For example, WP:DEADLINK was new to me.) I'm concerned that "bad" links to my database will create a bad impression among those who don't realise that it's not my fault. Dbopm (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 12 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Article One (band), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ah, I knew I'd forgotten something! Thanks for the pointers, will have to do better next time :( Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Adminship

Thanks very much RB, I appreciate your comments. I am still interested in becoming an admin, mainly to help out with DYK, but after my last (withdrawn) RFA I decided I wanted more time to get some runs on the board. Basically I decided not to nominate again until I had at least 2 years as a registered user and 12k edits. I passed the 2 year milestone a day or two ago and I will probably exceed 12k around the end of this month. If you are still interested in nominating me then, I will probably be willing to accept at that time.

No "skeletons in the closet" that I am aware of - at least, not on the project :) Gatoclass (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's talk on around May 10 when the self-imposed time limit is up so Bencherlite and I can prepare our co-nominations.

That sounds fine to me :) Thanks once again for the support. Gatoclass (talk) 16:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Otto Zobel

I am thrilled that is going in to DYK so soon. The lead could do with ". . . in radio and cable transmissions." added to the end for clarity. I am not sure what you want with the request for in-line citation. The most relevant paper is the Carson and Zobel 1923 treatment which is already in there at reference 31. Thanks. SpinningSpark 07:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

RE:Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame

Hey Royalbroil, I'm slowly working on the above linked article, and I was wondering if you minded if I uploaded a cropped version of this photo to Commons. I would of course link to the Flickr page and give credit where it is deserved ;-) Just wanted to ask before I went ahead and uploaded it, cheers! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) 02:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Go for it, of course. Make sure that you grab the original size image of the image from flickr by clicking on the "All Sizes" button and then select "original". Please add it to Commons category Category:Files by User:Royalbroil from en.wikipedia. Royalbroil 03:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! For your reference: commons:Image:PackersHoF-edit.jpg. I tried to model the page after your other pictures, of course feel free to make any changes you see fit. Thanks again for the pic! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) 05:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Jocko Maggiacomo

I'm fairly confident that Jocko, Jr. was the Trans Am champion. If the 1947 birthdate is correct (which is the one listed on racing-reference, that would make Jocko 28 years old in 1976, a very reasonable age. This would also place that championship 1 year before that man's NASCAR debut, also a reasonable assumption. In addition, in the mid-late 80's, most of Maggiacomo's NASCAR starts were at road courses, indicating that he was some sort of "road course ringer". Finally, the AMC Javelin that Maggiacomo drove to the '76 Trans Am Cat 1 championship would have been very similar to the cars used in NASCAR at the time. Finally, this ebay auction of his memorabilia also indicates that Trans Am and NASCAR Jocko Maggiacomo are one in the same. -Drdisque (talk) 04:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK

Thanks for the DYK on the Bert Isatitsch article. I greatly appreciated it. Chris (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

thanks!

Thank you for your kind message. Vishnava (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability

Hi Royalbroil, I'd like another opinion on this situation. Pastordavid had previously redirected the page to Skillet (band) a week ago, although it isn't a redirect at the moment. I fully respect what he did, although all of the other members should be redirected, too, to be consistent. The notability guideline for music seems pretty clear that the Skillet member articles wouldn't be notable enough. But do you think that at least the John Cooper article could stay around if I worked on improving it? Thanks for your input. --JamieS93 19:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Greater Nepal

Hi - I request that you have a look at this article, which is being proposed for deletion and claimed to be totally inaccurate. I am a bit rattled over the possibility that the article I've worked upon and has been displayed on the main page, is inaccurate and biased. Your opinion would be of great value, both for the article and from the standpoint of if/what care I need to take in the future work I do. Thanks, Vishnava (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The Woodlands Resort

RoyalBroil,

Thanks for your offer to review my Woodlands Resort user page. I hope you find the information I've added makes it notable and appreciate any feedback you have on the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkaplan (talk • contribs) 14:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The Woodlands Resort

RoyalBroil:

Thanks for the feedback. I will keep adding credible sources to make this page appropriate for inclusion on Wikipedia. Regarding the photo: I was given permission to use this photo. What is the appropriate way to note that? Bkaplan (talk) 15:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkaplan (talk • contribs) 15:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Bob Kames, was selected for DYK!

On April 16, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bob Kames, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for DYK nomination

I really would like to thank you for the DYK nomination for the Bob Kames article, and for completing and expanding the the entry. I really appreciate it! Have a great day! Scanlan (talk) 14:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Image:LakeGenevaRaceway FinalNationalAnthem.jpg

A tag has been placed on Image:LakeGenevaRaceway FinalNationalAnthem.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I8 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is available as a bit-for-bit identical copy on the Wikimedia Commons under the same name, or all references to the image on Wikipedia have been updated to point to the title used at Commons.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on [[ Talk:Image:LakeGenevaRaceway FinalNationalAnthem.jpg|the talk page]] explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Gary King (talk) 19:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done I deleted it. I got the admin bit. Royalbroil 01:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Rondel DYK

Thanks for putting it up! AlexJ (talk) 19:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 18 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Otto Julius Zobel, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bobet 11:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Update

Is ready, if you're active. Gatoclass (talk) 08:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

That was the middle of the night here in the U.S., and I was sleeping soundly. Royalbroil 12:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I usually just notify admins who have recently posted. I must have misread the timestamp :) Gatoclass (talk) 05:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for removing the speedy-deletion tag from Red Meat (band). Pha telegrapher (talk) 19:09, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Wadham's?

I just wrote an article, and was wondering if it were DYK-worthy. Any thoughts? Wadham's Oil and Grease Company of Milwaukee -Freekee (talk) 05:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I responded there. By the way, if you ever need any photos of the Ozaukee or Milwaukee area, let me know. I know you take a lot yourself, but I don't know how often you come through here. -Freekee (talk) 04:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think that area has public access. I'll keep it in mind, though. And yeah, I remember the speedway. I never saw a race, but you could hear them for miles around. Of course, that's the main reason they stopped having them. I noticed in the Kulwicki article, that he raced there. I hadn't been aware of that. Speaking of him, I was wondering where his grave is, in St. Adalbert's. Can you tell me roughly what section it's in, or how to get there? -Freekee (talk) 02:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Is that here? Right in the middle? And not too far from where I took this picture. ;-) -Freekee (talk) 02:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

That one I took is right along the main road, looking south, as you come in the entrance. -Freekee (talk) 02:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!! :-) -Freekee (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

1995 Japanese Grand Prix

Thanks for your comment at WT:FAC, I appreciate it. However, you wouldn't mind by any chance review it now? It's currently up for peer review, and I think it would make the article even better if you review it. Of course you can still review it again at FAC, but I think the article could improve more if you review it now at PR. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 16:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I'll be comparing it the same way that I would if it were up for FA. Royalbroil 18:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I've made some comments back. Please reply at the PR. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

'Nother batch of comments. ;)) D.M.N. (talk) 16:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I think I've resolved all your issues, and I don't think you need to comment on any further issues. Keep the PR on your watchlist in case any further issues arise. I'll give you a knock when the article heads for FAC, and I'll be on the lookout for more sources where necessary. D.M.N. (talk) 20:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Apostle Islands

I started articles on the remaining Apostle Islands and I used the Wisconsin-geo-stubs for the articles. It had to be done.Thanks-RFD (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I completed the articles about the Apostle Islands-they are geo-stubs.Initially I was just going to do just Stockton Island but decided to do all the Apostle Islands. In addition I started article on 3 islands off Door County that had lighthouses on them.Thanks-RFD (talk) 14:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your comments. I too agree that the Galena, Illinois area is beautiful. I am very interested in the Washburn family-Elihu Washburn who lived in Galena abd of course Governor Cadwallader Washburn who lived in La Crosse, Wisconsin and who helped founded my home away from home-the La Crosse Public Library! Many thanks-RFD (talk) 17:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

image gallery

Thanks for the kind words --I've seen Wikipedia as a reason to go on a sort of global scavenger hunt of sorts, going around and taking photos of things that haven't got them yet (using a tourbook when useful to find the ideal spots). I'm happy you liked them, it gives me some ammo for when my fiance complains about stopping in every small town to take a photo :-) All the best! --Bobak (talk) 22:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Larry Woody

Thanks for the backup on the Larry Woody article. How does this peer review, classes, etc. stuff work? GeoffEighinger (talk) 04:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Things

1. How do the reviews work? How does one go about rating something? Do they have to be of certain credibility or is it administration only? 2. In the WikiNASCAR Project, who determines whether something is a stub or higher or whatever? 3. Is there a way to continually work on an article without it being visible?

Thanks GeoffEighinger (talk) 07:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Test

Okay I created a user subpage for a Bob Latford article I plan on putting out there...did I do it right? :) GeoffEighinger (talk) 07:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I see you everywhere!!!!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Everywhere on Wikipedia I see you in random spots and--wow it just seems that you contribute to wikipedia a lot so I am giving you this barnstar. --RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 11:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Easter Parade

RB, do we have a page for holding over links for Easter? It's just that someone submitted an article called Easter Parade a few days ago, I'm happy to run it now but if there's a precedent for holding topical DYKs over for a more appropriate time, we could run it next Easter instead. Gatoclass (talk) 12:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe holding articles for a year is a little over the top anyhow. What the heck, I'll run the article now, last Easter wasn't long ago anyway. Gatoclass (talk) 12:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Lou probably planned to feature it at Easter, but it took him longer to write than he thought. Anyhow, it's a good article and I found it pretty interesting, so it certainly deserves the DYK. Thanks for your input. Gatoclass (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Mecca Time AfD

Hi Royalbroil - I request you to have a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mecca Time - I had created this article early today thinking it was significant, but later I found that only a BBC report and a Gulf Times article are the sources of this information - all other sources have picked the BBC article, nothing else. The participants in this conference in question are virtually unknown, and I couldn't find any background information on this idea or controversy. I had a discussion with Erechtheus, who had first raised the point, and Johnbod, whose feedback I had requested. Yet, I feel the best thing to do is to get wider community opinion, and your input will be appreciated. Thanks, Vishnava (talk) 14:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I felt it was the thing to do. Given the opinions of Erechtheus and Johnbod, its possible that I made a mistake, in which case the article has no business being here. Nobody knows who these people are and they can propose just about anything, as I realize in retrospect. Its just that the news was carried by the BBC and was interesting, in context of the current Islam-related happenings, even though the idea was ridiculous. Vishnava (talk) 14:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

NASCAR drivers images

Hi! Thanks for your input. I'm in the process of uploading the images to Commons. When I'm finished uploading them, should I delete the ones I uploaded to the English Wikipedia, and if so, how to do it??

Thanks, Nascar fan mx (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I have one thing for you...

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For your superb peer review of the 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article which entitled of about one trillion comments and every one of them comments will almost certainly help the article in the near future. Thank you very, very much! Oh, and I've replied to your comments at the peer review! ;) D.M.N. (talk) 18:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral. Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations. Thank you again, VanTucky

April 28 Dispatch

Hey, Royalbroil. There was talk page consensus to give the 28th to Featured lists, but they have had to back out. Are you able to tune up User:Royalbroil/DYK overview for the 28th deadline? Please let me know ASAP, so I can get a Plan B in case you can't. I usually need time for Tony1 to run through pre-publication. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Royal, I'll go in later tonight and add some things from the point of view of someone who had no idea how DYK worked; if I mess anything up or add any tortured prose, please feel free to revert, change, delete as needed. My prose stinks, but my intent will be to add in things that the uninitiated aren't aware of. Can you add some basic stats somewhere? How many submissions, how many DYKs there have been, any sort of numbers you have access to? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Royal, you realize that vandal has put up two unblock requests even though s/he isn't blocked? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I bet that they are blocked. The unblock description describes that they are probably in an autoblock if there's no entry in their block log. I gotta go to sleep, it's the middle of the night here. Thanks for reverting the vandal blanking on my user page, Sandy! I saw it almost immediately and tried to revert, but you already beat me. I semi-protected it for a while. Royalbroil 06:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Pitong Araw

I suggest you read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philippines Hot 100‎ for the truthfulness of the chart that it charted at. --Howard the Duck 04:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Kulwicki refs

Two possible approaches, I reckon.

1. This is one of the times that a little original research seems in order to me. Are there any primary sources (photos, I guess) you can use to confirm one or the other version? High quality sources do make mistakes sometimes: I have a book that I can use to reference the fact that famous Brazilian Nelson Piquet is Argentinian, if I want!
2. If you're not comfortable with that, or if you have no way of checking, then give both versions and attribute them to their sources. That way you're not interpreting.

What do you think? 4u1e (talk) 13:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

For the DYK notice and the mention in The Signpost! I was wondering if you did or could let the photograph's creator know it was featured on the Main Page, he's new to Wiki and I got him to go out of his way to take that photo, I am sure he would appreciate knowing it was selected. I would tell him but I think it would mean more coming from the folks who regular at DYK. IvoShandor (talk) 17:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I am glad to be back, I don't think I will be as prolific as before but I will be around. Thanks for dropping that notice on Brooooce's page. I am also glad to see his photo featured on the Main Page, it's really the only reason I nominated the article and I think the more we recognize quality content from the newest Wikipedians the more likely they are to feel welcome and keep coming back. Thanks for helping out with that Royal.IvoShandor (talk) 18:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you like the photograph, and thanks for adding it to DYK, it really made my morning to see it posted on the main page. Broooooooce (talk) 19:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Proofreading hooks in the Signpost article

If the hooks attributed to BInguyen, Piotrus and Cirt appeared today, I would remove the space after each ellipsis, end each hook with a question mark, and correct [[rowing|single sculls]], which links to a disambiguation page. Since they didn't appear today, perhaps you printed them that way in the interest of an exact quote. But I have given almost every hook in the last 20 months or so a spaceless ellipsis and a question mark. Art LaPella (talk) 03:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done Those are all good points. Those quotes were all added by my co-author. Thanks for the review! Royalbroil 03:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Um, Royal, you should get Art LaPella to realize, then, that the mainpage is out of compliance with MoS, specifically WP:MOS#Ellipses.  :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 29 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. James' Episcopal Church, Manitowoc, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Very neat to see it on the Main Page. Thank you for the nomination. -- AltioraPeto (talk) 03:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Replaced hooks

Sorry about those two. I've assumed up to now I can rely on the fact that hooks still on the suggestions page are new! Obviously, someone got careless and forgot to remove those hooks after they promoted them. I guess that's one more thing I will now have to check before promoting hooks *sigh*.

Do you know who forgot to remove the hooks from the suggestions page? I wasted time validating and tweaking those hooks, and I feel a reminder is in order. Gatoclass (talk) 04:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I've caused this problem before, so I understand. You might want to remind a certain yellow monkey who had placed DYK credit on those articles. He must have eaten too many purple bananas! Royalbroil 04:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I've just had a look through the histories and it appears neither of these hooks has ever actually run, so how the heck did they get DYK credits in the first place? Gatoclass (talk) 04:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

They were directly placed on the main page template [1], which that yellow monkey frequently does. The hallucinogenic properties of the purple bananas must have caused the monkey to forget to remove the hooks. Royalbroil 04:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay, so he placed them there after the update had already been posted? That explains why they don't appear in the archive either. Hmmm, there's been some sloppy work on this project lately. I will have a word to the monkey, thanks for helping to track that problem down :) Gatoclass (talk) 04:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he placed them after the update had been posted. Royalbroil 05:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

GA review

Hi, you reviewed the article on Jos LeDuc a while back. I found the review very helpful, and your feedback is greatly appreciated. If you have time, I was wondering if you would be able to review the article on Money Inc. It was nominated for GA one month ago and is still awaiting a reviewer. If you're really busy, though, please don't feel obligated. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I can do the GA review. I actually remember them. I was mildly interested in wrestling for a short while, right when they were a team. I have just the right amount of familiarity with them - detached familiarity but not a fan. Royalbroil 05:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Image deletions

In answer to the question you posted on my discussion page, yes, those are the three pix I would like to have speedy deleted, if you would like to do that. BTW, what do you think of my user page...other than the fact it doesn't talk much about what (little) I do for Wiki?? Thanks!!! JG Race 1194 (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Blasco de Garay

Hello Royalbroil,

Would you please look again at the DYK nomination for Blasco de Garay. I have tried to specifically show the exact way in which the article hook is cited. I put in a fair bit of work on this, and would like to see it make the DYK if possible. Please note that Gatoclass' talk page says he is currently ill, so I don't think he will look anytime soon. So I think you are my best bet. Thanks.

WilliamKF (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your thought process and that the references adequately cite the hook. It helps that I can somewhat read French (knowing English plus some basic Spanish), so I added the hook to the next update. I won't be online at that time to update it, but I trust it will be used. Royalbroil 03:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! WilliamKF (talk) 03:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Committed identity

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it some thought. Gatoclass (talk) 04:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I noticed this thing on his talk page, and I'd like to do it. How does it work? Thanks, Oreo Priest ^talk 13:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Lakewood Speedway

Thank you! I was so impressed with the track details you added. I will be following up with the citations! Deelzbub (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of which, did you really mean to refer to "score cars" in that article, or did you mean "score cards"? I've never heard of "score cars" but then I don't know much about car racing :) Gatoclass (talk) 15:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know what a score card is, but you wrote "score car" in the article. Was that a typo, or is there really such a thing as a score "car"? Gatoclass (talk) 15:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

No problemo. I know how easy it is to make these little typos, I've done it a few times myself. It always seems to be easier to see the other guy's typo somehow :) Gatoclass (talk) 15:47, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Wisconsin

Hi Royalbroil. I revised the Template:WikiProject Wisconsin to include an image request option by location. I also revised the non-article parameter options consistent with other WikiProject templates and provided documentation for the template. GregManninLB (talk) 03:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

DYN questions

I was wondering how to get involved with DYN? Its sounds very interesting and seems a good idea, as it gets editors producing good articles regularly. What should i do to get involved? What tips can you give me? Thanks a lot, Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 20:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I have recently been working on Ross Kemp in Afghanistan. I believe this is a correct article. I would love to help out behind the scenes, to gain some experience in what a perfect DYN is, so that some time in the near future i may be able to contribute my own DYN. How would i go about this? Thanks, Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 20:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I would like to be mentored by you. I think you could help me a lot and introduce me to DYN. What would my first step be? Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 11:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Lakewood Speedway

On 4 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lakewood Speedway, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 00:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Baseball uniform

Hello. I would like your opinions on the article if it would pass DYK. Someone else already nominated it but I would like to have your opinions, just in case their's a flaw to it. Thanks.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I verified it, although I don't see where the exact date is listed. Is the year sufficient? Royalbroil 01:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Just give me a minute or two.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. It seems that a minute or two turned into an hour or two. Anyway, I think using only the year is more appropriate. But I know I read the date somewhere. But for now, you should just use the year.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 04:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Would you please request that change at the DYK page? I can't believe that there had not been an article on a baseball uniform! Royalbroil 04:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll do that now. And that's what I thought too. I just saw the it up for WP:MWA, so I decided to create it.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 04:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I meant WP:REQUEST.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 04:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 04:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

So what do I do now?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

NASCAR images on Flickr

Hi Royalbroil. I was wondering if you are aware of the existence of this set of freely-licensed images from the recent NASCAR race at Talladega on Flickr?-- Diniz(talk) 14:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Douchville NA.

Just to inform you i dident make it his home town i only created a page to go along with a missing link and honestly the douch in that race was denny hamlin intentionaly drawing a caution for his team mate--Cmedinger (talk) 18:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Yahoo! Fantasy Sports

Would like to hear your reason on why you've switched back to keep after switching to merge when you said their wasn't enough material to keep the page. Is there enough material now? And if so, why haven't you added it to the page. A good reason from you on why you switched back to keep might be helpful for the discussion. Other than just saying I changed my mind. Thanks, and this is an attack on you, I'm just curious to hear your full opinion. -GoHuskies9904 (talk) 19:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm staying out. As I said, I was attempting to make a compromise in an earlier discussion. I assume that you mean that this is NOT an attack on me. Royalbroil 02:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

5/5 DYK

On 5 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Wannuaucon Quinney, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford 03:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Images for Rahr-West Art Museum and Sputnik IV impact site in Manitowoc

I uploaded 6 pictures of the Rahr-West Art Museum and Sputnik IV impact site (Manitowoc, WI) to my Wikimedia Commons account. You can view them at the gallery tab on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:AltioraPeto. Let me know if these are what you are looking for, or if you had something else in mind. --AltioraPeto (talk) 04:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Well, I'm finally going to have my first DYK. :) And yes, me and you have met before. It was when I was adopting. You may have remembered my adoption program. Look at User talk:Tlayden, you commented after my offer. BTW, it took me about 20 minutes to dig this up becuase I knew I saw your signature before.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 05:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

RE:Lee Remmel

So I see you found my new article :) I was thinking of putting it up for WP:DYK. What do you think? And if you think its good enough, would you care to help with the hook? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 03:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I find all (in theory) new Wisconsin articles at User:AlexNewArtBot/WisconsinSearchResult. I was definitely thinking about DYK if enough information can be found. Royalbroil 03:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I really like your additions, I will try and find some more to expand about him (cant find his dang birth date). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 05:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. No DYK fact jumps out at me, except I found an unusable blog that calls him the only historian in the NFL. It's probably right. Please look out for a RS. Royalbroil 05:59, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll be on the lookout, if you can also try and find his birthdate, that would be great. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 06:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Y Done I got lucky and found his birth date quickly - on the first page of google results. Royalbroil 06:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Ha, thanks a lot! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 06:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Money Inc. review

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for your review of this article. Your comments were helpful, and the article is definitely improved because of them. I've never asked someone directly to review an article before, but it's really hard to find anyone willing to review wrestling article, so I really appreciate your willingness to take the review. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Your WikiProject is being very productive writing GA articles right now! It's hard to find someone who would review racing articles too. I'm sure that I'll be asking you to peer review an article that I've been working on. In fact, I think that I should ask you for a FA PR on Alan Kulwicki as soon as I get done improving the quality of the sources. I know just enough about wrestling to be able to understand most terms, but I can see what a non-fan might not understand. Royalbroil 14:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Motorsport Wikiproject

Hi Royalbroil. Thanks for your message. I'm still getting to grips with writing articles or here but bulk of them is fine at present. I'll look through the 'to do's' and find something simple to begin with! I welcome any further advice from you or others. So thanks again. (Storm85 (talk) 20:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC))

Titian/Renoir

Thanks! To be absolutely fair his earlier edits to Rumble Fighter seemed serious; maybe he left the pc untended? Johnbod (talk) 14:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks again. Johnbod (talk) 14:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Keibler

Thanks for taking the time to do a good review. The article is much better because of all your suggestions. Nikki311 03:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. She's easy on the eyes. Royalbroil 03:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA nomination

Accepted with thanks :)

I've formally accepted and replied to the questions. Hopefully it reads okay :p Gatoclass (talk) 05:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW, do you think should I submit the page to RFA now, or should I wait for Bencherlite's co-nom? He did say he was going to co-nom a while back. Gatoclass (talk) 06:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I see you've contacted B. I think I'll wait to see what his response is, and then post. Gatoclass (talk) 06:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

 Doing... Bencherlite^Talk 06:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done Bencherlite^Talk 06:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Good to see that you had nominated Gatoclass for the RFA. I was always wondering why he is not an admin yet, considering his active participation in the DYK updates. -- ₮inucherian ^(Talk) - 11:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Several of us asked a few months ago, and he told us about wanting to wait until more time passed from his previous RFA. I hadn't responded because I was sleeping. Royalbroil 11:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Dual Freq and the WikiProject Wisconsin Barnstar

Hi- About your suggestion about User:Dual Freq and the WikiProject Wisconsin Bardstar I am all in favor of awarding Dual Freq this. However, I don't have the computer know how to this. I tried awarding User:OrangeMike WikiLove to cheer him up because of the vandalism on his user page but this turn out to be a disaster. Therefore, I proposed you make the presentation on behalf of both of us-You have my OK to do this.Thanks-RFD (talk) 13:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I took care of it and the Wisconsin Barnstar took hold!Many thanks for your patient and kindness.RFD (talk) 11:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Question on the Barney Oldfield Page

I have some pics from a private collection of Barney Oldfield memorabilia -- what would be the best way to go about including non-copyright protected Barny Oldfield photos? I'll not include anything that doesn't add to the understanding or knowledge base. Also, I put up some info earlier this year that someone else deleted -- can I re-include that if I cite my source? The source isn't anything published, though, so what do I do, scan it in & upload it? Sorry to take your time, but I have some primary source info I'd like to contribute, if it will be useful.--CCSEuro (talk) 17:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 12 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lee Remmel, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK update?

Hey Royalbroil,

Pleas could you update DYK? There's suggestions on the next update page.

Thanks,

BG7 14:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Kulwicki

Hi Royal. Real Life^TM is taking up most of my time for now, so I don't have as much time as I would like to put into Wikipedia. I haven't read through the article again (that time thing!), but my advice would be to go for FAC. You've had lots of people look at the article, and put loads of work into it. I think the end result is very good, but you know what FAC is like: the really picky people come out to play! You may get some, er, robust responses, but that's all part of the process. Don't take it personally if it happens. Good luck - I will try and chime in at the FAC if I can. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 09:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem

Happy to help RB :) Hope you enjoyed your day out.

Yes, the RFA has gone well - much better than I anticipated! Still I will be relieved when it's over. I cracked WP:100 sometime last night, so that was kind of nice too :) Gatoclass (talk) 02:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Mount Olympus Pictures

I noticed you've got a few pictures on various Mt. Olypmus-related pages. You wouldn't happen to work there, would you? It'd be cool to find a coworker or two on here.

Gah, forgot to sign. Joetheodd (talk) 05:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA

Thanks RB, I've been carefully reading the instructions over the last day or two, and I figured that would be the best way to go about it. But it's good to get confirmation from someone with experience :)

I don't think I'll load an update for a day or two though. I'll probably play around in the admin sandbox for a while, until I start feeling more comfortable with the tools :) Gatoclass (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

That's a great idea. I was careful when I started. There's no rush. Royalbroil 12:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam

Royalbroil/Archive8, just a note of appreciation for your recent support of my request for adminship, which ended successfully with 112 supports, 2 opposes, and 1 neutral. If there's something I've realized during my RFA process this last week, it's that adminship is primarily about trust. I will strive to honour that trust in my future interactions with the community. Many thanks! Gatoclass (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Whew! Finally got through it. I can't believe how long it took to thank-spam over 100 people! Anyhow, saved the best till last.

I just wanted to extend a special thanks to you RB, given that you are the user who has unquestionably given me the most support and encouragement for this over the last six months. Your good advice has been of enormous assistance, and you've also really helped me keep my feet on the ground throughout with your timely reminders that adminship really isn't such a big deal :)

I was planning to hand you a six-pack but since I couldn't find one, I'm just shouting you to a beer instead. Enjoy! Gatoclass (talk) 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't know that you found me so helpful. You're welcome! :))) Royalbroil 11:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks!

		RfA: Many thanks
		Many thanks for your participation in my recent request for adminship. I am impressed by the amount of thought that goes into people's contribution to the RfA process, and humbled that so many have chosen to trust me with this new responsibility. I step into this new role cautiously, but will do my very best to live up to your kind words and expectations, and to further the project of the encyclopedia. Again, thank you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Image review

The information provided is really too vague to keep the image. The specific question to ask the State Archives of Florida is "Is the image in public domain?" They may know the answer. If not, then it would need to be determined (if possible), when the image was first published and was it published with a copyright notice. If there was no copyright notice, then the image is in the public domain. If the image was published with a copyright notice, was the copyright renewed 28 years later as required? If the copyright was not renewed, then the image is in the public domain.

The uploader stated the image would qualify as CC-by-sa, which is not true. An image does not qualify for a Creative Commons license. A CC license is granted by the copyright holder. Without more research to determine the status of the image, it should probably be deleted. -Regards Nv8200p talk 01:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Why do you think that it's necessary for the images to be in the public domain? Andy Dingley (talk) 15:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

If the image is not in the public domain or the copyright holder (who you do not know at this point) has not released the image under a GFDL or Creative Commons license, then the image has to meet all the requirements of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria to be used on Wikipedia. The image would currently fail item 10a, as you do not know who the copyright holder is. If the image is in the public domain, there is no copyright holder. -Nv8200p talk 01:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

This isn't non-free content, it's released as free-content by the Florida archive. Now they don't label specifically as either GFDL or CC-by-sa, but that's not a problem as wikimedia doesn't require this, merely that such licence shall "considered "free enough" for Wikipedia" (i.e. CC-nc would fail this). The licence they offer meets this "free enough" requirement, therefore we can use it.
Andy Dingley (talk) 10:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It would seem sensible to relocate this thread here: Commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Henry_Segrave_n041938.jpg Andy Dingley (talk) 13:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ian Frazer (cricketer) issue

Hi Royalbroil - I need your counsel on an issue over this article. Skipper08 insists that a few facts in the article are wrong, despite the fact that they are sourced properly - I explained that to him and provided the links - [2]. However, he behaves as he hasn't seen them and simply keeps removing them - [3]. What shall I do? Vishnava_(talk) 17:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK crediting

No problem, glad I could help. I figured I should get more involved with DYK, so this is a good place to start. :) Happy editing, Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 18:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Oladevi DYK nom

Hi Royalboil - I request your opinion on a debate regarding this article's DYK nomination. Soman is arguing against the nomination for reasons that I feel are not justified - [4]. I have given my reply, but I would request your insight so as to make sure I can fix any issue asap. Thanks, Vishnava_(talk) 15:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Grand-Am pics

I recall a little while back that you had posted at WP:SCR regarding photos from Grand-Am at VIR, and I had forgotten about it until recently. I can say that there might be a few useful pictures that could be requested. Basically, it'd be nice if we had some clear shots of a new Dallara, a new Proto-Auto Lola, and maybe even a new Coyote CC/08 since I don't have any clear picturse of them from Daytona. They'd be nice to add to the Daytona Prototype article. I'll leave it to you to make the arrangements with the photographer for permission. The359 (talk) 07:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's the Dallara, Coyote, and Proto-Auto Lola. The359 (talk) 16:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I asked. I never would have figured them out. Royalbroil 17:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Bill Elliott.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Bill Elliott.jpg. You've indicated that the image meets Wikipedia's criteria for non-free content, but there is no explanation of why it meets those criteria. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. If you have any questions, please post them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.

Thank you for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 05:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

What

happened? I though you were a big-time inclusionist. I was shocked to see this.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't be shocked. I tend more inclusionist, but I occasionally nominate articles for speedy, prod, or AFD. I tried to work with the contributor but got nowhere. I sometimes go to WP:CSD and delete articles with the mop. I have deleted over 400 articles [5]. Royalbroil 12:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, no prob. My suprised was based on this conversation (took my an hour to track it down, so that you don't think I'm nuts). Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

It's too bad that you spend so much time on it, but it's good that you brought that up. I had forgotten those images and that the article existed. I now uploaded two images of the track because of this conversation. Royalbroil 18:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Indy 500 Table

I'm sorry I caused edit conflicts. I did not see the message. I will still make most of the table. I am just not knowledgeable about the average speeds.209.20.219.145 (talk) 04:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh! Somebody kicked me off the computer last night! :( I apologize.209.20.219.145 (talk) 16:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm working on it right now because it's not done and I feel so bad. Please forgive me.209.20.219.145 (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Apology accepted. Please respect other editors when they place "inuse" templates. They are there for a reason. I would have gotten it done in under an hour. Now a day later little progress was made beyond what I did. Royalbroil 17:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I got it extended to 15 drivers and put in the colors.209.20.219.145 (talk) 17:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I just did most of it. All but 8 drivers, the colors, change, laps, retired, basically everything except sureness on point standings.209.20.219.145 (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I finished it off. For the record, the Indy 500 result was removed from ITN partially because it was unfinished, while the results of a regional rugby championship are still there. Kenhullett (talk) 18:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the picture compliment!

Thanks for the compliments on my Chasen pic! Just now saw my talk page...I don't log in that often. We told them the pic was for Wikipedia, and they liked that, since they knew all about their page on here. My sister JamieS93 is the one who uploads my Christian artist photos (Mercy Me and John Copper).

Again thanks, "my friend Royalbroil". (Remember you helping me when I expanded Becca Barlow?)

--WordyGirl90 (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK chores

Hi RB - is it allowed (and helpful) for a non-admin to do the fact and length checking for DYK noms? I would love to help out. Vishnava _talk 22:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Great! I'm on board from tomorrow (gotta go right now). Vishnava _talk 01:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Fort Crawford

I put the photo request in because I felt it should have a modern, recent photo. This property is a museum and a National Historic Landmark. It is a place that folks may want to visit. Einbierbitte (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK

Can you look into the activities on Template:Did you know/Next update By an IP address ? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Fremont, Wisconsin village and town

Hi- The article for Fremont, Wisconsin is still there, but the article for the town of Fremont in Waupaca County, Wisconsin has been redirected to the village of Fremont article. Was the town of Fremont annexed by the village of Fremont or was the town of Fremont redirected to the village of Fremont article by someone that should not had redirected the town of Fremont article to the village of Fremont article. In short where is the town of Fremont article for Waupaca County? Thanks-RFD (talk) 00:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I check the Waupaca County website. The Town of Fremont is still listed as having town officials as of April, 2007. An article for the town of Fremont should be there but is not. Thanks-RFD (talk) 00:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The town's article was redirected to the village back in 2006 by someone who doesn't understand Wisconsin towns vs. city/villages. I undid the redirect. You can undo an future redirect that you come across, as consensus among the Wisconsin experts at WikiProject Wisconsin is quite clear. If someone argues, come see me and I'll help explain the difference. Royalbroil 00:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, Royal. I will not let him dampen my WikiExperience. I have contacted Dispute resolution.--Buster7 (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, Royalbroil, regarding this specific article, would you consider this ([6], [7]) normal editorial behaviour? I have become more and more convinced that User:Buster7 just isn't that serious a contributor. You might also want to read back our respective editing histories of the last week or so. I have to go and catch some sleep now. Iblardi (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I certainly didn't mean to drag you into this silly war, Royal, but as long as your in the room. Your right, it probably was amatueristic to do________-- and continue on. I had to get to work and wanted my brother to log on, take a look, and let me know what he thought. Its a personal editing manuvuer I've used for years. It allows me to move on and then come back and fill in the blank with just the "right' verb, etc. BTW...I've fished the Wolf at Fremont for 40 years. This is just Iblardi's sour grapes. Being a "rookie" here, I'm not quiet sure what to do. I have contacted dispute resolution and I am waiting for their reply. Initially, I feared Iblardi's retaliation. He seems to be a seasoned veteran editor. I seriously question his motives, however. Our initial conflict didn't seem like much to me. What it revolved around, in between the lines was, "Old World Stuff"...an unfavorable joke toward my ancestry that I would not tolerate, and I told him in many "talks"....anyway...thanks for listening..."see ya on 'da Wolf!":--Buster7 (talk) 02:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Royalbroil Thanks for replying about the 2 Fremont articles.Hopefully-I will try to end the Fremont town article to the Waupaca County template. Also my apologies to Iblardi and Buster7 if I did anything a or got caught into something. Also my apologies to you Royalbroil. Thanks-RFD (talk) 10:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

RoyalBroil- I added the Town of Fremont to the Waupaca County template and added the template and reflist to the Town of Fremont article. User Nyttend or one of the bots will need to make any appropriate changes to the article to update any information. Thank you for your help and patient. RFD (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Alan Kulwicki

Hi. Sorry for taking so long to get back. Sure, I'd be happy to help, it'd be good for all concerned to get the first NASCAR FA. From a very superficial glance the article looks very strong. I'll give it a detailed review over the next few days. Mark83 (talk) 11:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

White Bass Spawn

I've looked high and low, but I can't find any article about an on-going Wisconsin event. If not in the town of Fremont article, where would I put information about a bi-annual event that draws thousands of fishermen into Wisconsin. (A human spawning run?) There must be someplace where the entries I made yesterday about white bass would seem less "advertising".--Buster7 (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Check out the Iola, Wisconsin article to see how the well-known Iola Car Show is done in that article. Note that it is written in a neutral tone, short, and that it is backed up with a citation. It doesn't brag about the show or get into great detail. Content like "It has been documented that there are times that 'a person could walk across the fast flowing river, stepping from boat to boat'" and "A favorite method among local fisherman is The Wolf River Rig" make me cringe when they are placed in a city article. The first sentence is too far off-topic and the second sounds like an advertisement for the "Wolf River Rig" available at stores for just $10.99. Royalbroil 14:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I can tell your not a fisherman, Royal. "Wolf River Rig" is almost a generic term among fisherman in the Midwest to describe the manner in which the bait is presented to the fish. I'm sure if you ask around amongst your fellow Wisconsin editors, there will be some that remember how unbeleivably crowded many lakes and rivers become when the bass are running. To me its a slice of Wisconsin. Also, thanks for creating positive movement in that other situation. Its moving toward a win/win solution.--Buster7 (talk) 20:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You are very correct about my not enjoying fishing! Boring! I need more action to be interested, which is why I like going to car races. My point is that fishing information belongs in a fishing article (or a section in a river article), not a city article. I should have given that response to you for your initial question. I doubt you would get opposition if you added it to the river article. The best thing is to add WP:REF from reliable sources, because anyone can challenge and remove any content without a citation from a reliable source. That's what User:Iblardi was doing. It's one of the key points in Wikipedia now.

Since "Wolf River Rig" is a general term and not a specific product, why don't you write a section in the Wolf River article about it? It's directly related to the river (since it's named after river, right?). That's the perfect place for the topic, except if it's big enough to carry its own article. You might want to redirect Wolf River Rig to the Wolf River article if not, since it sounds like a widespread term in the Midwest. Let me know if you need help. Royalbroil 20:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Question on reverting vandalism

Hi RB - I have a question I was hoping you'd help me with. I've noticed cases of anonymous ips vandalizing a page then removing it themselves in the next edit. Should the article be reverted to before the ip edited, or its ok to just leave it alone and warn the ip? Vishnava _talk 23:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - it does seem weird, like they're trying to get away with something or pull wool over our eyes. I worry sometimes of embedded vandalism that may escape the eye when they do this. Vishnava _talk 14:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi again - (you're prolly getting a bit tired of my bugging you :) I request you to take a look at the Wikipedia:Featured article review/Kazi Nazrul Islam. A few editors have raised the view that Banglapedia is an inherently biased source; they also object to books published by the Nazrul Institute. Its a complicated argument that Armanaziz and I have sought to counter, but its time to have more views or we'll keep going round in circles. Vishnava _talk 15:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm definitely not tired of your questions. They are all excellent questions.

I am not able to offer and opinion on Banglapedia, since I am not familiar with it. It's too bad, because I know most of the contributors involved in the discussion pretty well. I see there is a criticism section about it in Banglapedia's article. I haven't read Kazi Nazrul Islam's article, but I hope that you are concerned about the prose and POV issues that have been brought up by all of the reviewers. I don't have time to review the article at this time. Royalbroil 16:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem - Yes actually we've addressed most, if not all of the prose and POV issues. The only bug is with these 2 subjects. Thanks anyway, Vishnava _talk 18:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You've got mail. Vishnava _talk 01:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Where is this mail? I think I answered everything here that I could. Royalbroil 04:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well I've re-sent the email to the address you've provided here. Vishnava _talk 16:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know that you meant email. It's good that you left a message because I don't check that account daily. Royalbroil 20:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your reply. One final thing - could you please semi-protect User:Vishnava, User:Vishnava/SpaceBar and User:Vishnava/huggle.css. I want to take precautions against retaliation from ip vandals. Vishnava _talk 22:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

My rite of passage :). I am officially one of the gang. Vishnava _talk 20:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Orphan articles tags -Wisconsin local governments

Hi- User:Avocado has been putting orphan tags on some Wisconsin local government articles like the town of Sturgeon Bay in Door County for example.Is this okay?I am not going to get into an edit war with User:Avocado about this.I am relieve the articles are not being deleted or redirected.Thanks-RFD (talk) 22:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a note that I've responded to your comment about this on my talk page. -- Avocado (talk) 22:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Wisconsin-local governments

Royalbroil I am trying to do the best I can with the Political subdivisions of Wisconsin especially with the towns. I try to locate a website about the municipality to add to the article or adding a notable person or some attractions, etc. It gets discouraging when some editor wants to redirect an article about a Wisconsin municipality or even try to get it deleted.Thanks-RFD (talk) 23:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Royalbroil many thanks for the message and the photos. Maybe the photos will help non-Wisconsinites understand the local government units of Wisconsin. Also my compliments concerning your photography- Thanks againRFD (talk) 18:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wisconsin photographs

Thanks for the tip. I will definitely look at the list and see what I can do. My main objective was to photograph all the cities in Ozaukee county, but I got a little side tracked lately. I am always open to new ventures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redwoodperch (talk • contribs) 02:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Platte Mound M

Thank you for rewriting this article and finding more sources. I appreciate the effort. Thatoneguy89 (talk) 05:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Pete Smith's hook

I managed to find another interesting fact about Pete Smith, so I changed the hook. --RyRy5 (talk) 04:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Song:English

I was gonna send it for translation. Is it nonsense? Domo arigato. Dlohcierekim 21:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

A series of thousands of question marks is nonsense. This is the English Wikipedia. Do you want the content of the article for an attempt at translation? Royalbroil 21:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see you have the admin bit. Feel free to do what you want with translation - I have no prejudice. Royalbroil 21:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Just trying to figure it out. Can't read Japanese. Question marks? Dlohcierekim 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't have Japanese or Chinese language packs installed, so my computer rendered almost every letter as a question mark. You can use the mop to look at the old article. I saw thousands of question marks and a speedy deletion template, so I deleted it. As far as English goes, it's nonsense. Do whatever you think is right with the article. Royalbroil 21:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's Chinese. Tagged for translation. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 21:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

protection

Based on this fanmail that has accumulated over the past 2 days - [8], [9], [10], [11], [12] - I formally request the protection of User:Vishnava, User:Vishnava/SpaceBar and User:Vishnava/huggle.css. Vishnava _talk 21:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries now - got it protected. Vishnava _talk 22:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hook characters

I have a few questions about reviewing DYK noms: Is 200 the maximum characters capacity in a hook, do you count the "... " as a character, and is this a good site to test the character capacity of a hook? Thanks, RyRy5 (talk) 04:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

200 is the maximum number of characters, although you might let 205 pass under the meta:Don't be a dick clause. I count the number of characters in the hook without the "..." characters. That website looks like a good way to determine the number of characters. I was updating DYK when you asked. Royalbroil 05:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I know, I saw you updating from recent changes. I understand. Thanks RoyalBroil. --RyRy5 (talk) 05:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and do you count the question mark as a character? --RyRy5 (talk) 05:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

It's only one letter, so it really shouldn't matter much (see my don't be a dick comment above). I'd say yes. BTW, today I saw that some people do count the (pictured) even though I wouldn't. Royalbroil 05:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

And one other thing. Is it okay to review a hook even if it was just created and nominated? For example. I just reviewed two hooks here. It is in todays section. Is it too early to review it? --RyRy5 (talk) 05:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Contributors like it when it is reviewed early so that they don't get a last minute surprise when it doesn't get selected. It gives them more time to correct problems. Just make sure that you don't give final approval to an article while it is still being rapidly expanded in case that something major gets changed. Royalbroil 05:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's all I needed to make sure of. Thanks for your help. :) -- RyRy5 (talk) 05:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Royalbroil 05:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks! athinaios | Talk 05:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Lake Delton

Please discuss your rationale for changing the article to the past tense on the article's talk page. I think the article needs to be written in the present tense and I have left a message there with my rationale. You have ignored me. Creating an account is also highly recommended because there's a good chance that you'll never get this message that I'm leaving right now. Royalbroil 19:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, Wisconsinite amigo, I’ve contributed to this article under these account designations—Rosspz; 74.94.83.94; and 75.73.209.32. You can check the edit history for actual edits. As to you question about the past tense, this reminds me of the Monty Python skit about the parrot brought back to the pet shop owner: Dead Parrot and script at: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ebarnes/python/dead-parrot.htm--Mr. Praline:” I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!” Owner: “No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.” Lake Delton is gone. It’s dead. It may be repaired, and might not be repaired. Maybe the Army Corps of Engineers and/or the Dept. of the Interior (since the Wisconsin River is a navigable water of the United States and thus under federal jurisdiction) won’t give the required permits. What Gov. Doyle may want and plan to do is irrelevant. Unless and until the dam is upgraded and the breach repaired by means of modern day fill techniques, there is no more Lake Delton—it is a former lake. The possible, precarious and possibly phantasmagorical repair of the breach and refilling of Lake Delton are uncertain and contingent events that and the use of the present tense in talking about the lake is an exercise (although admirable) in denial or denial of denial. Rosspz (talk) 22:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)rosspz

RE: Platte Mound M pictures

My account is now able to upload, but I haven't had a chance to get a good photo of the M between my schedule and the crappy weather we have been having. However, I do plan to take some pictures tomorrow, weather permitting, and upload them that night to commons. Then I should be able to put them into the article. Thatoneguy89 (talk) 04:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 13 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Platte Mound M, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 12:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Recommend Site For Deletion

RoyalBroil,

The wiki site for Carol Newinn does not comply with Wikipedia rules. I would like to recommend it be deleted. The links are no longer active and the premise of the article is not newsworthy.

--Bkaplan (talk) 20:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

(copy of message posted at talk page) I see an assertion of notability as she was the cheerleader for a major U.S. football team. It is backed up with multiple reliable sources. If you want for it to be deleted, you need to propose it at WP:AFD. I would fight in favor of keeping it. Royalbroil 03:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Anthony Kershaw

That was my mistake, sorry RB, I've been using new character counting software over the last couple of days and I obviously misread the results. The expansion is still a tad short, but since Daniel Case had already approved it I think the best thing to do now is just stick with his original decision. Gatoclass (talk) 08:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I figured that 4.5x expansion was so close that someone would approve. It was major expansion, so it follows the spirit of the rule. I wouldn't be excited if it was selected or not. Royalbroil 12:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)