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Nomination of Bridge rail for deletion

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Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels

Hi Andy

You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm

Regards Bruce

Speedy deletion nomination of Internally riffled boiler tubes

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

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Crank in rotary mills

Hi Andy Dingley! Recently you deleted my contribution, because you said the sources didn't support my claims. Here you have a summary from sources(no verbatim, no copyright violation), to show my sources support my claims. I claim:

-That the rotary hand mill comes from Spain, between 6th and 5th BCE

-That a rotary hand mill is a crank

Source 1

"Moliendo en ibero, moliendo en griego»: aculturación y resistencia tecnológica en el Mediterráneo occidental durante la Edad del Hierro"

-Page 23 names the device, as rotary hand mill

-In page 25 Figure 1C, there's a drawing of rotary hand mill

-In page 28 describes the rotary hand mill, composed of two circular stones and a handle/crank (depending on the translation)

-In page 29 says the rotary hand mill is an Iberian invention(Iberian were natives of Spain before Roman conquest)

-In page 29 dates the invention between 6th and 5th BCE

-In page 30 says the rotary mill expanded from Spain to East(Greece and Middle East)

My Source 2

"A Relief of a Water-powered Stone Saw Mill on a Sarcophagus at Hierapolis and its Implications", Journal of Roman Archaeology"

-Page 158 says the rotary hand mill emerged in Spain in the 5th BCE and expanded East(Greece) and North(France)

-Page 159 says the rotary hand mill is a crank. With the handle being the crank and the person's arm being the connecting rod

My Source 3

Lucas 2005, p. 5, fn. 9

-Says: the rotary quern is a crank

Wikipedia already contains my very same claim( with the same sources:):

-Crank page picture. Description: "Tibetan operating a quern (1938). The upright handle of such rotary handmills, set at a distance from the centre of rotation, works as a crank."[My Source 2 page 159][My Source 3]

-Crankshaft page picture. Description: "Querns are a form of hand-operated crank"[My Source 2 page 159][My Source 3]

Both pages:

-"The Chinese used not just the crank, but the crank-and-connecting rod for operating querns"[Source: Science and Civilisation in China, Part 2, Mechanical Engineering, p118-119]

Compare to my claim:

-My Source 1: Verbal description and depiction of a device, identical to the pictured above, a rotary hand mill with a handle.[My Source 2][My Source 3]. See summary above for pages.

Why is the same device a crank in one place but not in other?

New source: Source 4

Science and Civilisation in China, Part 2, Mechanical Engineering

-Page 186 says: the rotary hand mill or quern, with the eccentric handle, it's a crank

Wikain (talk) 19:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5 Sep 2024

Do you want to post diffs for bad moves at ANI? Sammy D III (talk) 17:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a big point. Certainly it ought to be reverted via WP:RM/TR. Maybe if I do that I'll just get posted to ANI again as 'disruptive'. (Oh sorry, didn't really mean that, it just slipped out. Oops.)

But overall, this is all a bit of a lost cause. It's a fashion parade, not anything about sourcing. At least it's not quite as bad as the original mess at Motor Torpedo Boat where it actually changed the scope of the article. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, your world, your call. I'm sure not popular. I reverted something at Land Rover whatever using the word "bad faith", maybe someone will notice one way or the other. I've got nothing to lose, every time I come back I have to shake my head longer. Sigh. Have a nice one. Sammy D III (talk)

Is there a reason a notification hasn't been posted to MILHIST? Sammy D III (talk) 01:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no reason that it needs to be (as policy, like notifying ANI'ed users), but equally it certainly could.

However WP is losing so many editors these days that most projects are moribund. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rematch is almost ready. Here a hint: 5-22. No reply needed. Sammy D III (talk) 14:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spartan

I see you are also involved with Draft:Spartan Cars, which was draftified by the deletionist cabal. I have blue chip newspaper references which I will add as soon as I get a chance, after which I think we should submit. Any thoughts? Mr.choppers | ✎ 13:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that if you're looking for collaboration and support against "the deletionist cabal", then you would be well to not describe editors as "vandal"s whilst you're deleting their articles.

See WP:ANI#WP:OWN, with personal attack and vandalism accusation by Mr.choppers Andy Dingley (talk) 14:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS question

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout. Regarding the links to German coal mines in de.wiki, I am asking for clarification. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arsenical bronze

The article is tagged as being in US English, and was in a mixture of both spellings. I've raised it at talk; I really don't mind which spelling is used, but it annoys me seeing the same words spelled two different ways in one article. John (talk) 22:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bluebird K7

Isn't this getting rather ridiculous? The paragraph you have restored bears little relevance to the topic. It is an opinion piece well pre-dating the events, and is of more relevance to a page on Bill Smith or on the Ruskin Museum rather than a page on Bluebird. That comment could also be applied to most of what has recently been added. The page is clearly becoming a battle-ground between warring factions. I suggest the page could usefully be split so that the original undisputed information up to and including the accident which claimed Donald Campbell's life is retained with a small final paragraph stating the wreck was recovered, restored and is displayed at Ruskin, and the rest is removed for possible inclusion in a page on Bill Smith if such is considered suitable. Sooty655 (talk) 09:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:80.3.122.252 reported by User:Andy Dingley (Result: Blocked one month)

Whatever the 'ridiculous' aspect of the content, that is 6RR edit warring.

Now maybe the paragraph does indeed have little relevance to the topic. But that's something to sort out by discussion at the article talk:, not by edit-warring and then following editors to their own user talk pages to browbeat them individually. Maybe I could have been convinced by such an argument (certainly it's not the most important aspect of K7's history). But as a tactic to switch to only after a month's block on the simple edit warring account, when that approach failed? No. Not a convincing argument.

"a small final paragraph stating the wreck was recovered, restored and is displayed at Ruskin"

You mean this edit ? Was that you?

possible inclusion in a page on Bill Smith

You mean the page that's, once again, up for deletion and that you yourself are busy removing the links to? It would indeed be convenient to wrap all the non-Ruskin content into one bundle, pop it into a Bill Smith page and then delete that page! Problem solved and Ruskin / CFHT get all the credit.

I don't understand the antipathy to Bill Smith on Wikipedia (OK, of course I do, I've been here long enough). But I don't understand antipathy to him from someone involved in a Vulcan preservation project? Whether he's a 'sonar search expert' or not, he achieved amazing results with the K7 rebuild. The Bill Smith article is justified just from that aspect. Will WP go after Owen Wyn Owen next? IMHO, the restoration part of K7 is every bit as interesting as its record-breaking history (and the article could still use more on the pre-'67 runs). Andy Dingley (talk) 10:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Are you following me around?

Your edit at Special:Diff/1254199753 would indicate that you are following me. Is that the case? TarnishedPath^talk 23:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't flatter yourself. I was following Insomniac187 (talk · contribs)'s page creations, to see if any more of them had been unjustifiably blanked outside process. Imagine my complete surprise to find that you'd done this one too. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re-directing aritcles which don't have multiple reliable sources which have significant coverage is "outside process" now? TarnishedPath^talk 23:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously? I can't believe you just did this. You won't even discuss this with an independent editor, you'd already moved it to draft: space (where articles go to die) rather than talk about it?

Yes, your whole attitude is wrong. Absolutely and utterly wrong. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is inappropriately sourced and I'm not certain that signficant coverage exists in multiple reliable sources. I certainly couldn't find any. Draftification or redirect are suitable as WP:ATD. If you think my attitdue is wrong I invite you to take me to WP:ANI TarnishedPath^talk 00:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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