User talk:Andy Dingley/Archive 2009 March

Wicca music

This article continues to be a problem. An IP replaced a significant amount of irrelvant material that others (including me) had previously removed; I've pruned it again. I put a note in the talk page suggesting that the article be basically rewritten with an emphasis on the music used in Wiccan rituals (for which there are dozens of references on Google Books) with a paragraph mentioning "Wiccan rock" bands, but I'm don't really know enough about the subject to contribute constructively. Certainly the emphasis cannot be on two unsigned Canadian bands; I unfortunately missed the AfD in January, as at present it looks fairly unsalvageable. It needs a comprehensive rewrite. Any thoughts? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I put it up for AfD, which was roundly defeated. I'd quite like it to survive, but it needs to be far better than the single-issue vanity page it is at the moment. As I don't have time to do anything with useful pages, I certainly don't have time for this, and so my plan was to simply ignore it.

Music is one of those areas that doesn't seem to work well on Wikipedia - Too many personal biases and loyalties come out. It depends on the AfD cabal attitudes and how close their interests are to the subject. Most of the UK's industrial / goth articles were WP:NNed recently on the grounds that "festivals" don't convey notability as "chart sales" do - from people who listen mostly to country, which is a genre old enough that it dates from a time when sales-based charts were important and thus became established. I wonder if Bayreuth and Glyndebourne know that festivals don't count?!

Starting from scratch, I'd want to see this:

• Origins of "wiccan rock", as an outgrowth of early-seventies hippies and the beginnings of the environmental movement as a theme in music.
• Eighties rock, with wiccan leanings: Julian Cope (again it's through environmentalism as earth-mother), the Wiccan / fluffy-pagan end of Goth.
• Nineties "crusty" rock, the UK Traveller movement, hardcore direct-action environmentalism crossing into Wicca: Back To The Planet possibly
• "Music in Wicca", if there's such a thing as a distinct theme. This is quite a contrast to those above: it's about what practicing Wiccans listen to as part of ritual, as opposed to musicians who are Wiccan and having their music influenced by Wicca. I know people who probably know about this - user:Totnesmartin would be one.

Andy Dingley (talk) 15:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Bold

Be bold man, don't propose an obnoius move. Just do it! Sgroupace (talk) 00:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

DRV

I have opened a DRV on the wrangler categories, on which you opined. Occuli (talk) 02:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)