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Hohner Pianet

Hello @Ritchie333: I appreciate that your Wikipedia workload is heavy - but before this issue just gets lost in the mists of time is there anything you're happy to do about this? curprev 15:41, 4 June 2020‎ MrOllie talk contribs‎ 19,182 bytes -135‎ rv ext link to book site per WP:ELNO undothank curprev 01:07, 21 April 2020‎ Rodak98 talk contribs‎ m 19,317 bytes 0‎ Moved book reference out of Links and into Bibliography undothank Tag: Visual edit curprev 18:38, 12 April 2020‎ Rodak98 talk contribs‎ 19,317 bytes +135‎ Added reference to recently-released book on vintage keyboards, which includes an entire chapter on the Hohner Pianet undothank Tag: Visual edit Best wishes David Docrobbie (talk) 01:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Docrobbie: Crikey, that article is a mess and needs a proper rewrite with appropriate citations and prose that is geared towards somebody who has no idea what one is. The fact I had to look through your book to get the manufacturer dates, when I should have been able to get that immediately from the article, says it all really. I've done some improvements, using your book as a source, but it needs a lot more. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Ritchie333: I appreciate the time and thought you've put into this. Is there any point in me inserting footnoted references such as your Pianet ones into other relevant keyboard articles? Or will I simply trigger another MrOllie? Docrobbie (talk) 07:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

If you can confirm existing prose is properly cited to the book, and add inline citations in the format {{sfn|Lenhoff|Robertson|2019|p=xxx}}, I don't see any issue. If anyone gives you grief, let me know and I'll get Serial Number 54129 to jump on them :-D Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Uh, I think I've always had a pretty good working relationship with MrOllie, on the few occasions we've interacted, and wouldn't want to jeopardise that. Having said that, if this book isn't self-published, qualifies as a reliable source and is being used only in relevant articles, then there shouldn't really be a problem. ——Serial # 16:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, this is not merely a reliable source for Hammond organ, Rhodes piano, Wurlitzer electric piano, Hohner Pianet, Mellotron, Vox Continental and Gibson G-101, it is the best possible source going for all over them, with the possible exception of the Hammond, where it is equal with others. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:27, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Responding to ping - I agree that the book is a reliable source. But given Docrobbie's COI, best practice (and the best way to avoid getting hauled into an irritating trip to WP:COIN) would be for him to make suggestions on article talk pages and make use of the {{Request edit}} template rather than add cites himself. - MrOllie (talk) 16:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
This isn't what the policy was designed for. The COI policy was geared more towards Sir Joe Blow who didn't want to see the article about his hedge fund company improved to include a convicted case of embezzlement by the CFO. It wasn't designed to prevent subject experts from improving articles to the best of their knowledge. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
I'll take your word about the history, but it commonly applied that way these days - to the point that there's a standard warning template for it at {{Uw-refspam}}. It has been a real problem in some of the science and math articles. I have observed that people are far less likely to mind if selfcites accompany substantial new prose rather than simply being attached to bibliographies or existing content. - MrOllie (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Ritchie333: and gentlemen for the time you've devoted to this. Docrobbie (talk) 06:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

List of people with Major Depressive Disorder

I am new to editing but am curious if there is a way to undelete this page. I think it should remain. Was this your page? Mjotcaw93 (talk) 11:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mjotcaw93: The article was deleted following a debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people with major depressive disorder. The strongest arguments were to delete the page because the potential for it to become problematic and libellous was too great. The biographies of living persons policy has further information. You can set up a deletion review where independent editors will assess the suitability of the close. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Dylan Duff

Greetings. Pinging you because you did the AfD deletion of this article in 2018. Article was recreated by the same SPA author (including the old AfD tag) with a claim of better references. As I’m not familiar with the previous version, can you please have a look and see if it’s noticeably improved or if it’s G4-bait. Thanks. --Finngall talk 18:22, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@Finngall: I checked the two versions and while they are superficially similar, the current version lists numerous Young Artist Awards in 2020. Since they obviously cannot have been present in the version deleted in 2018, I think the class as significant enough to not warrant a G4. I have therefore declined the speedy tag but suggested I would have no objection to a second AfD. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for undeletion

Richie:

In March, my Wikipedia article was nominated for deletion. In April, it was deleted. One of the reasons it was nominated for deletion : There's no evidence any of the awards, grants, and fellowships convey notability. None of them are prestigious national honors if we were evaluating via WP:ACADEMIC or WP:ARTIST; the closest probably being the Lambda residency and VONA pick, but even there she is one of many selected annually (more than sixty in her year), and doesn't indicate a singular honor.

Since then, I have received two artists grants from national arts organizations. Though the grants have not been mentioned in the press, I can provide you proof via email. Will you please consider reviewing them to restore my Wikipedia article? Thanks for considering my request.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nahshon_Dion_Anderson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shootingrange78 (talk • contribs)

@Shootingrange78: Apologies for the belated reply, but did anything happen with this. I didn't take immediate action because I didn't close the deletion debate. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. No action was taken. Can I email you the recent national three grant awards I have recieved? Shootingrange78 (talk) 12:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this photo your work? It's slated to be deleted.

File:Trump Baby Balloon at protest in Parliament Square.jpg

-- Softlavender (talk) 11:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

@Softlavender: I took the photo, but Winkelvi uploaded it for nonfree use. Ironic, since I indef blocked him. The deletion notice comes about because in this diff, 182.239.120.76 (talk · contribs) removed it with another image, which ironically has the same copyright issues as the original. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:07, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020

Information icon Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.[1] Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Guy, you posted a rant about how you were civil, and posted a link to how tone policing is unhelpful. Therefore you are in no position to criticise when somebody does the same thing to you and is blunt and direct about what they think. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
WP:NPA does not have a "but he deserved it" exception. Please follow Wikipedia's behavioral guidelines. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Well I'm sorry you took offence at that. Anyway, Levivich has basically said everything I wanted to [2], but better.
If you argue
about the weather
Wait for Levivich
He'll do it better
Burma-shave

Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:03, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

  • Ritchie333, I think saying someone is being an attention-seeking dick qualifies as a personal attack. While "You're being a dick" is a statement about behaviour (as opposed to "You are a dick"), adding the "attention-seeking" in there makes it an attack on his character, in my opinion. Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 14:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
@PJvanMill: As ever, it depends on the context. In this instance, Guy had mocked the WMF; the individual comment didn't violate WP:CIVIL as such, but the overall complete lack of respect was unhelpful. In an earlier post, I justified some of the criticism towards the WMF, but also suggested both sides need to respect each other a little more. Meanwhile, Sitush has said that sometimes it's better to be direct and straight to the point, and not go round the houses, while Guy linked to https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/ . This gave me the impression he supports "telling it like it is" and would not be offended by me doing so. I am also rather perplexed that he tried to compare longstanding subconscious racial bias with criticism of the WMF. That is not acceptable and somebody needed to tell him to back off. Meanwhile, on another ANI thread, we've just concluded that calling an unpleasant threat of violence and retaliation "horse shit" is not particularly nice, but justifiable enough to require no action than a straightforward reminder. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Hm, I don't think the context can do much for this one. You've explained how you think the context could justify your comment, but that doesn't magically make it not a personal attack. Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 12:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
However, I have apologised to Guy above for him taking offence at the remark, because I had misjudged the situation and sincerely believed he would not. User:Geogre/Civility is worth reading. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, but can we agree that it is better not to make such a comment even if you suspect the other will not take offence at it? Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 12:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, that was a rhetorical question - after all, we have a policy that says you shouldn't. I will drop the subject. Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 12:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
It's a longstanding problem. The best / worst example (depending on your POV) was something like Eric Corbett versus Lightbreather, but basically the typical non-metropolitan British male (think Gene Hunt) and the typical midwestern American female (think Evelyn in Fried Green Tomatoes) have wildly different cultures despite a shared language, and are the most likely combination of Wikipedia editors to accidentally give and receive offence. It's a culture thing. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
People are not completely bound by their culture, though - they can adjust to a different culture. And in WP's culture, "Comment on content, not on the contributor" is a norm. Kind regards from PJvanMill)talk( 12:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
You'd think that was the case, but if so, why have we got WP:G5? I've declined more than a few speedies because I think the article is worth salvagable, and being attacked for it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Tone policing

Actually, Ritchie, the tone-policing-and-privilege is a perfect analogy even if its leitmotif is about something else. Guy Macon and I share the same serious concerns about the WMF, though it's a bit late in the day for me now. Stay well. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

I've been aware of a lot of problems with the WMF, and known about the hardship and repeated banging our head against a wall to get WP:ACPERM through. Wasn't it 7 years to get that done? Anyway, I think post WP:FRAMGATE, the tide is starting to turn as the WMF realise they need the community on their side, otherwise they'll spend too long defending themselves and lose. I sincerely think Qgil-WMF is trying to do the right thing and reach out. He's done work on the encyclopedia, he doesn't seem to be parachuted in from the corporate world, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt and not chuck rotten tomatoes. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Barking Dogs

Hi

I see you have put that page for the Barking Dogs up for deletion. I understand your concern with the page. The band was successful in France in the 90s. However, very little got ported online since the alternative rock scene that the band was part of was based on Fanzines and printed press The band got articles in Best (a major French Rock publication), but the article never got onto the web since the paper folded (pun intended)

We (I was the double bassist) released 4 albums, all of which were distributed by recognised independent distributors (WMD that was part of the FNAC group, XXXbis) It is difficult to point to anything more substantial than the albums on Deezer, Spotify, Google Play et al, and on MusicBrainz and Discogs. Each album sold around 6000 copies.

Here, however, is a reference from the Transmusicales de Rennes (a major music festival in Rennes, Brittany) that shows we played there at the festival in 1992 http://www.memoires-de-trans.com/artiste/barking-dogs/ You'll notice that the description of the band on the right is absolutely their own, not ours (in French, sorry) Here is the programme listing http://www.memoires-de-trans.com/annee/1992/?tx_icsconcerts_pi1%5Bprogrammation%5D=1

Here is a video recorded by the local (public) TV channel FR3 in Angers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kHR1XdCSkc And this (amateur footage) at Cafe de la Danse in Paris (famous venue that is still going) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO3rugV-JzY Here is an article about the manager on the site of the Independent Record Producers Association website https://www.upfi.fr/wtpl-music/ and speakers academy https://www.speakersacademy.com/fr/speaker/xavier-collin/ And the record label that acquired the rights to the records http://www.booster-label.com/Booster/Liens.html

Here is the French BNF listing https://data.bnf.fr/fr/13945930/the_barking_dogs/

Given that the group was underground, and Europe based and pre-Internet, finding the elements to prove notability is difficult.

Perhaps a redacted / much shortened version would be more appropriate? Please let me know what I can do to help this. Jasonbarnard (talk) 09:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jasonbarnard: I'm not sure what to do with the article. Another editor tagged it as {{db-band}}, but it does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion. I was stuck to know how to improve it, so I've opened a discussion. Carrite might know more about the group and ways to improve the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: Ah. Sorry to have dragged you further into this. I will add the above to the talk page and tag :@Carrite:. I am leery of contributing directly as I am a member of the band. Thanks ! Jasonbarnard (talk) 10:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Newtown Hardware House

Hello, You closed this as a merge. I wonder if you might consider extending the !voting? I have been adding newspapers, and I consider the subject notable. Perhaps extra time will allow more editors to weigh in? Lightburst (talk) 15:09, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lightburst: It was a marginal case between Keep, Merge and No Consensus. I did notice you'd been improving the article; however, Eddie891's comment about merge being "a suitable compromise" came in after your improvements. I also notice the article is significantly larger than its parent Newtown Historic District (Newtown, Pennsylvania) which is still a stub at less than 900 bytes of prose, so I would expect any improvements to be carried over there without too much of a trim. Can I recommend you wait a day or two, and if nobody comes along to act on the merge, assume that everyone's changed their mind and leave the article as is? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:34, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Sounds fair if that is the best we can do. As you know I feel strongly that the building is worthy of an article, but I cannot fight the local consensus. Lightburst (talk) 16:03, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
An editor keeps trying to redirect the article. I have reverted the editor twice. Hoping to follow your directive to allow a possible merge discussion. Thanks. Lightburst (talk) 04:09, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Needless to say, I am rather perturbed that the time I have spent on merging these two articles has been wasted. There is a process here for a reason. I hang out at project merge, a lot, and this is a clear case of a merge that should take place, not an Edit War. The clearly articulated AfD close should then be reversed and re-opened if this merge is not going to happen now. Regards, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 04:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the merge has been carried out particularly well; it just looks like a cut and paste of the original article, so now instead of an article that's rather short, we have an article that's rather lop-sided. I suggest you need a discussion on Talk:Newtown Historic District (Newtown, Pennsylvania) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
And, I don't think the discussion close and follow-up has been carried out particularly well. That said, I have no horse in this race, nor the time to devote to this mess. You can do the merge – or not. I don't really care. I'm out. Cheers, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 17:02, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie333. just a message bc it has been 8 days and there was no discussion regarding the atd-m at the target talk. So wondering if we can close it out? Thanks much. Lightburst (talk) 16:23, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail

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@Red Phoenix: Seen and replied :-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Escape the Night problem still ongoing

Hey Ritchie--I don't think the twenty-four-hour lock worked. I've proposed MULTIPLE compromises to solve the problem, but certain other editors are basically insisting that it's their way or the highway, and I'm not okay with that. Is it at all possible that you could step in so that we can end this argument once and for all and reach a solution that everyone is happy with? Thanks. Leahmerone (talk) 04:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@Leahmerone: I'll have a closer look later, but to be perfectly honest I don't know anything about the dispute and merely protected the article as an uninvolved administrator so you could stop reverting each other and discuss things on the talk page. If you're going round in circles, you can set up a request for comment on the talk page which may break the logjam. As I write this, nobody has touched the article since full protection has expired, so there's no further admin action to take right now, but if things kick off again I may start sanctioning people. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:43, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
There is a consensus on the talk page of the article for the cancellation of the show to be included in the lead and the body of the article. Leahmerone's compromise, and arguments have failed to gain support, and is still insisting that we are not listening to them, when we have, it's just that nobody has agreed with their position. They are arguing that all four editors involved in the discussion are incorrect on this matter, and also ignored the advice of an admin, Lee Vilenski, who said their arguments were untenable. It's clear from their user page and WP:SPA contribution history they are a fan of the show, and choose not to believe the reliably sourced information, and will not abide by consensus. They are back to edit-warring their preferred version, and have already reverted two editors. Isaidnoway (talk) 20:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@Richie333: Could you please unblock me from editing the page? I still don't agree, but I promise I won't edit the Variety article off anymore. I just want this to be over at this point. Leahmerone (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Leahmerone: Sorry, but I can't. Firstly, if you are not planning to edit the article, being blocked from it should not be important. More importantly, pretty much everyone else who has contributed to the discussion has agreed the block was necessary, so there is consensus for it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
@Richie333: Could I at least get an idea of how long the block will be in place for? Leahmerone (talk) 17:22, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
@Leahmerone: The block is in place indefinitely. When a block of that nature is placed, particularly with an overwhelming weight of consensus behind it, any talks of appeals won't be successful for months, perhaps years afterwards, and only then after there has been a serious demonstration that the disruption that led to the block will never happen again. There are six million articles on the English Wikipedia, most of which need improving. If you are stuck for something to edit in the murder mystery vein, Death in Paradise (TV series) could do with some cleanup, as can most (if not all) the articles in Category:2020s crime drama television series. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Linda Metcalf

Hello, Ritchie333. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Linda Metcalf".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! JMHamo (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

For those talk page stalkers playing at home (do I still have any these days?), this is a follow-on from this thread and this thread, which AFAIK was me being nice and starting a draft on an article I'd previously deleted. I forget. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Might be interested

You might be interested, am not sure if salting is also necessary? Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 17:04, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Synoman Barris: I have redeleted and salted. If the creator gets in touch, I'll see what they have to say. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:07, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Clemis Kuriyakos

Hi Ritchie - can you please add a nomination rationale to your PROD? It's not clear why you believe this page should be deleted, and why it would be non-controversial. Thanks! pburka (talk) 19:31, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Pburka: I've added one. In this case the PROD is a procedural one, I thought the article almost but not quite justified speedy deleting per WP:A7 and if I don't have full confidence I can explain to the page creator why I've deleted all their work, I won't do it and will use an alternative procedure instead. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:38, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
(talk page stalker, yes you still have some) It seems like this user does need some help. There's already Draft:Clemis Kuriyakos which they appear to have created earlier on 21 July. And you'll notice that although the article you prodded is at Clemis Kuriyakos, the article begins with a wikilink to Clemis Kuriakose which they have also created, and seems to be the same person. AND there's Kuriakose Clemis. Some merging/redirecting is needed here but my head is spinning a bit to be honest. -- P-K3 (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Just fyi, I'm also still watching here, but not editing much. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

An automated process has detected that you recently added links to disambiguation pages.

Deep Purple in Rock
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Unprotection of Rishi Kumar

Hello! You appears to be the create protecting admin of Rishi Kumar. There is currently a draft at Draft:Rishi Kumar which has been worked on by two editors that seems at least half decent (I haven't reviewed it formally yet as there are some formatting issues to be fixed). Therefore, I'm requesting unprotection of the Rishi Kumar page in preparation of acceptance of the draft article - let me know what you think. Thank you,   Kadzi   (talk) 19:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dr. Kadzi: Sure, unprotected. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Ashish Chanchlani recreated

I nominated an article Ashish Chanchlani for deletion and you have deleted the article after a general consensus. But, a user has re-created the article by adding middle name (Ashish A. Chanchlani), which conceals the article history of deletion. Also, I am of the opinion that the article is created in return for undisclosed payments. Can you suggest the steps, which can be taken to address the issue? Thank you! Neurofreak (talk) 21:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Neurofreak: The simplest thing to do is to tag it with {{db-repost}}, which I have now done. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:54, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your response! Neurofreak (talk) 11:04, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

72.87.79.120

Could you please block user:72.87.79.120 . They clearly will not stop until blocked. CLCStudent (talk) 22:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Looks like Ian.thomson has done it. Sorry, I was busy improving Deep Purple in Rock to GA. (Cue humorous quip from Martin in 3 ... 2 .... 1) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:30, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Just FYI ...

... that's a prod rationale that's going to be deprodded in no time flat. Quite aside from the deprod warriors who are bound and determined to gum up the process no matter what, that really isn't a valid rationale. Better to check it to ensure it fails the GNG and WP:BAND, and prod on that. Ravenswing 09:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ravenswing: Actually, I missed this just now, but it's already had a PROD declined once, and as far as I know you can't PROD twice and you can't speedy anything that's had a PROD challenged (as it means at least one independent editor has formally objected to deletion). Looks like an AfD is in order. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
You're right, you can't prod twice. Would you like to do the AfD honors or shall I? Ravenswing 09:40, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Already done - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allerseelen (band) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

"On yer bike, Boris!"

"Let the bleat control your body...."

... my wiki-flocking is just too unlimited. --Martinevans123
Cornetto for Group and Orchestra

"Just one cornetto, from Walls Ice Cream!"

.... 'ere, Threesie me ol' Raleigh Chopper china...I 'ad that Fatty Bum-Bum Johnson in the back of me Boris Bike Kung Flu Taxi the uvver nite.... Damn near bust me back axle an' all, e' did! -- Yours, stuck in the Wikirank.... Lightnin' Slim Starmer, (talk) 17:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Bah. Editors like you should take the bus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Special Offer!! Scorching Cost-a-Fortune July only!! I'll come round and let your tyres down for only £49.99.*
-- Up-Yours & Merkxels "EuroTaxis you can trust" (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC). *comes with free Eurozone repair kit....
I'm only driving three wheels these days .... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Yee-hah!! -- The New Crusty-Minstrels-Matter Show (talk) 18:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC). ... those scrums can get pretty lively down in Devon: [3]
p.s. hard to believe that song was Burt Bacharach's "first credited production"?
Ah, this must be English English. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 19:06, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't think Martin's English. That's why he keeps looking for the gossip, he thinks this place is wikileeks. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Duuuh!! "Is it cos I is Welsh Black"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

GAN backscratch?

Wanna trade GAN reviews on albums? You assess Talk:Back in the High Life and I look at Talk:Deep Purple in Rock? Binksternet (talk) 20:58, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Binksternet: Okay, I'll have a quick shufti, but it might be the weekend before I get another chance to take an in-depth look. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Aye, aye, I eye yours soon. Binksternet (talk) 21:44, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Los Angeles Women's Music Festival Merge

Hello. Yesterday you closed the Los Angeles Women's Music Festival as a merge. Today I performed the merge. I believe I did everything correctly, but this is the first time I've done a merge. If you have time could you please check to see if everything has been done properly. Thank you and I hope all is well with you.   // Timothy :: talk  18:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@TimothyBlue: That looks okay as far as I can tell. The merged text could do with a few more inline citations supporting the text, but that's a job for another day. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:29, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

things that make you go 'hmmmm'

Reverting comments from someone you disagree with is what I'd expect admins like (Redacted) to do. I does make one wonder (although I can think of several that could fill in that blank - 1 in particular.) Still - it made me smile. — Ched (talk) 23:45, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the issue is between TonyBallioni and Levivich, but hopefully they can settle their differences out like grown ups. Or failing that, maybe with pistols or swords instead. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Deep Purple in Rock

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Your GA nomination of Deep Purple in Rock

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All done! Great work, along with your lifeline friend, Martinevans123. Binksternet (talk) 20:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Could I please claim back my expenses? "cough, cough". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:05, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I dunno, how long have the band been waiting for Rod Evans to pay back the "expenses" for the Bogus Deep Purple gigs 40 years ago? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Request to block IP

This IP has made no contributions to the encyclopedia and has been range blocked since 3 March. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) DogeChungus, admins here don't have any control over the Hindi Wikipedia. P-K3 (talk) 13:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

My Sockpuppet Accusation

Hi Ritchie, I figured i'd come to you as I've seen you around in the past, I've been creating a number of articles related to Irish townlands and roads, I have created over 200 stubs, including a couple that had been deleted due to being created by a sock, due to this I have now had a sockpuppet accusation against me. I'm going to step away from Wikipedia for a while due to the accusations, but at the same time I don't want the Encyclopedia to be ruined by my articles being deleted (All have been properly reviewed and accepted). If I must be blocked from editing, I am willing to accept that, wait 6 months and attempt the standard offer method, but my only worry is that the large number of articles will be gone. Is there anything I can do in this situation? Thank you for your time. PatWhelehan (talk) 13:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@PatWhelehan: The best thing to do is go to Roader's Digest - the SABRE Wiki and add them there. I don't think we need stubs on Irish roads unless they are notable and have sources that show they are of interest to the casual reader. Here, I have taken A303 road and M25 motorway to good article status, because they both appeal to a non-enthusiast. The former includes Stonehenge and related history to the road, the latter contains cultural references and criticism of its traffic. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:02, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: Thank you Ritchie, I will recreate the road articles over there, there's also a few articles I created related to Tristan da Cunha, namely William Glass, St. Mary's Church, Edinburgh of the Seven Seas, St. Joseph Church, Edinburgh of the Seven Seas, St. Mary's School, Edinburgh of the Seven Seas, Camogli Hospital, as well as a couple of notable Irish articles that I feel are worth keeping Meedin, County Westmeath, Tomás Malone and Séamas Ó Maoileoin, and Statue of Haile Selassie (Wimbledon) is there any way you could review these and do anything to prevent removal, as I said beforehand, its not the fact the articles have been created by myself, it's more the fact that I feel the information is worth keeping. Thanks again for always being so helpful and responsive. 15:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Sandra Pinel concern

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A plastic cup of warm Lambrini for you!

The Phew, what a scorcher!! award
Phew!


What a scorcher!!

Push the boat out, why dontcha!

Martinevans123 (talk) 17:04, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Cheers m'dears. I need to go and get some more ice cream..... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Kimmy Shields

Hi,

Given Kimmy Sheilds has been in several films and shows can we reconsider this deletion? https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5777436/

Thank you Jasonbook99 (talk) 22:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jasonbook99: I deleted it because of the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kimmy Shields. It has since been deleted again by Athaenara (talk · contribs) per WP:G4 - recreating a similar article that was previously deleted per consensus. You cannot use IMDB to show notability. I'd suggest finding another article to improve. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Rishi Kumar

Ritchie333, you removed protection to re-create the page Rishi Kumar in July 2020 [4] but the talk page, Talk:Rishi Kumar, is still restricted to creation by administrators only, if you could kindly lift that restriction. Thanks. Loksmythe (talk) 01:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure, there you go. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:54, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Earl's Court tube station

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DYK for Portez ce vieux whisky au juge blond qui fume

On 15 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Portez ce vieux whisky au juge blond qui fume, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Portez ce vieux whisky au juge blond qui fume is the French version of The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Portez ce vieux whisky au juge blond qui fume. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Portez ce vieux whisky au juge blond qui fume), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Sacré bleu! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:14, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Chongkian RFA

It looks like it may still be a work in progress; are you sure it's supposed to be running right now? — Wug·a·po·des​ 21:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The crucial edit is this one which makes an RfA live - given you have to do some fiddly text formatting and follow a comment telling you to do that when you want to transclude, I have to assume that’s what Chongkian wanted to do. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:53, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I've tried to follow the exact step-by-step guidance on this RfA nomination, and yes, from my best understanding, I think I have fully written the requirement needed for my RfA. Of course I did somehow made 2-3 small changes, but those are mostly typo (minor edits).
That's reasonable. My worry is that Chongkian seems to be offline at the moment and may not expect to come back to an RfA debate. Especially since it was being advertised on watchlists, I think it's better to wait a few hours until they can clarify their intention to avoid them being blindsided. I've reverted for the time being, but if you've got strong feelings let me know and I'll self-revert. — Wug·a·po·des​ 22:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, generally I think all Wikipedia editors will have its online and offline time everyday (presumably several hours of online time per day), because they need to work/sleep/drive/eat. Chongkian (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
The other open was to revert back to draft state and tell him. However, I was concerned he might get a bunch of opposes for being unable to follow instructions when he did transclude. I’m not totally convinced that the nomination statement isn’t what he intended to run with - this is somebody who has never been approached about adminship and never clearly taken part in the nuts and bolts of things, but had the qualifications to (maybe) do the job and has read up on the process and (perhaps) made a bunch of rookie mistakes. I don’t have strong feelings about this; I was just trying to do what I think he wanted (or might have wanted) with the minimum amount of fuss and disruption. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ritchie333, I did self reading on the RfA nomination, and I tried my best to follow its step one by one as written. Of course before this, I was just a normal editors (never read about adminship at all) and this is my very very first time trying to deal with adminship, so is there any wrong step I have done along the way? If there is, maybe you can point out my fault for not following the guideline's cearly-defined steps, or maybe the guideline is a bit outdated and missing some points (which needs to be corrected). Thanks. Chongkian (talk) 01:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
@Chongkian: Ritchie333 is very experienced with RfAs, so hopefully he'll give you advice too. I was excited to see your nomination, and hope that you consider trying again in a few months. To answer your question, it's a bit of both. RfA has a lot of undocumented expectations that aren't written down, and even those that are written down can be out of date. The aspect that brought me here was that answers to the first 3 questions are usually more specific and written out more completely. A lot of us at the start thought you were till drafting your answers and that you would give more concrete goals and experience. If you plan on running again, I would suggest looking through some of the recent successful RfAs and seeing how they answer the standard questions to get an idea of how to improve your answers. Second, I would suggest reading through the admin's reading list. A number of the opposes pointed out that your answers to follow-up questions demonstrated you did not have as much knowledge of internal policy as many people would like. That's easy enough to fix, and the reading list covers all the major policies you should know before another request. It's essentially an open book test by design, people aren't so concerned that you have policy memorized as they are concerned that you know where to find them. You're generally a good content creator, and I think a lot of people see that as a benefit. As you said though, this was your first adventure into the back rooms of Wikipedia, and for better or worse it's a lot more bureaucratic than the reader-facing side. Besides the reading list, I would recommend hanging around some project spaces to get a feel for the administrative (rather than editorial) side of the project. If you're interested in deletion, participating at WP:AFD and deletion review are good places to start. You can also subscribe to the feedback request service to be notified about policy discussions and participate in the crafting of our policies. Participating in noticeboard discussions such as the reliable sources noticeboard are also good venues. You'll learn a lot about what administrators do there as well as the important policies to consider when making. Hopefully that helps, and I look forward to seeing you around more! — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Chongkian: First things first, read User:Sven Manguard/Failed RfA Advice. There's a lot to pick through here, but I'll be concise as I can. The guide to starting an RfA is described at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Nominate; however it includes very clear guidance not to start one frivolously until you are absolutely sure you know what to expect. Specifically, Candidacies that are far from meeting community standards always fail early. It is your job to obtain a general idea on what the community expects from candidates; review recent RfAs and gauge your contributions accordingly." While it's technically possible to create a bot task to simplify the technical instructions, nobody's done it because a) RfAs don't run often enough to motivate anyone to write it and b) Anyone who doesn't know how to do the task manually probably shouldn't be an admin.

When you filed the RfA, the general feeling was that you were a longstanding contributor who could possibly be trusted with the admin toolset, and people were asking questions and seeing how you responded before making the decision. In my case, I couldn't decide whether or not to support, and wanted to see how things played out - had you given great answers, you would probably have people on your side and you'd pass. (See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GoldenRing). Unfortunately, pretty much all of the answers led to you shooting yourself in the foot and getting opposition. Nothing in the "oppose" section could be reasonably described as unfair or unpleasant; it's simply a reaction to the answers you gave that show you don't really understand the policies that you need to have a full and through working knowledge to be an administrator. Some specifics:

Q4 : "what I see lacking is the standardization in writing style in Wikipedia, and I wish there are mechanism to make things as standard as possible" This is impossible, if nothing else because British and American English have different styles, and trying to merge together everyone's preferences into a single choice will just annoy everyone who chose something else. In particular, we've seen some bitter arguments over the Manual of Style and Infoboxes.

Q5 : In general, administrators should be expected to use meaningful edit summaries all the time. Often, what you think is obvious or unimportant in an edit summary won't be to other people. Specifically, the lack of edit summaries when editing the RfA caused us all to second guess what you were trying to do - we now know you did want to put yourself forward, but couldn't read your mind.

Q6 : In addition to what I just said about edit summaries, WikiProjects are (with a number of significant exceptions like WP:MILHIST) generally deprecated. Iridescent would be able to give you a full background story, but AFAIK the concept of projects arose around 2005 in order for Wikipedia to be produced as an offline CD, and hence we needed to categorise individual articles with quality and importance to assess what should be included. The trouble is, what you think as important isn't the same as what everyone else thinks, and it's not a simple matter of page views, which spike in response to some news or current event. Anyway, many people think changing importance or assessment quality in lots of articles is "busy work" which not only doesn't require the administrator tools, but gives the impression of favouring style over substance and placing a greater importance on tags and templates than writing content.

Most of the opposition has already covered the issues in Q7. A good piece of advice that nominators give to candidates is to make sure your mainspace contributions are tag free, well sourced and of sufficient quality. In particular, IMDB should not be used as a source for biographies of living people.

Q10 : I'm not sure what Levivich was trying to get at here, except I know he was throwing you a difficult situation, and seeing how you would respond to it, citing relevant policies. If you look at Talk:Taiwan, you'll see that multiple attempts have been made to rename it to "Republic of China" (which is what the government in exile view themselves as, contrary to the rest of the world) and there has never been an agreement to do so. So in this case, I would decline the request to block as frivolous and point the complaining editors to the previous discussions; also if the reporting editors had been disruptive elsewhere I would consider a WP:BOOMERANG set of sanctions if necessary. Your answer wasn't technically wrong, but it was vague and lacking in specifics - if you had directly linked to Talk:Taiwan/Archive 23#Requested move 13 August 2014, and also mentioned that Editor 2 might not have violated WP:3RR (say, by only making three reverts in 24 hours, he would did not break the policy which requires more than three), you would have got more support.

Q11 shows you don't understand the issue, which is that articles with over 5,000 revision can't be deleted by a common or garden administrator and need a steward to do so. This is mentioned on WP:ADMIN in a footnote next to the limit, so you really should have read it.

Q12 : This answer assumes that everybody who is blocked is a vandal, which is plain incorrect. There are many reasons to unblock editors, including a convincing unblock request (where agreement from the blocking administrator has been given in advance or asked for), an ANI thread with overwhelming consensus for the standard offer, or a long standing editor blocked by a compromised admin account. In particular, the mention of a hard 2-3 days is terrible advice - you should unblock when the block is not necessary to protect Wikipedia from disruption and no later.

Now, having said all of the above, I want to make it very clear that deciding you are not a good fit to be an admin does not mean we don't want you as an editor. I know several editors who are amazing content contributors who can produce work I can only dream of, but don't want the administrator tools. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Adminship

Hey I'm flattered that you would consider me for adminship. I will think about it. It's been a while, but I'm not quite sure that I'm admin material, due to some things I've done in my past. Give me some time, and I will see if I want to do it again. My last go-round was not enjoyable, but it was a while ago and I've grown since then. Regards ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 19:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Dang, if you join RfA too @Editorofthewiki:, then we have an Eddie mop spree :o Goodluck! VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 03:51, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Machine Head (album)

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Your GA nomination of Earl's Court tube station

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