User talk:Ravenpuff

User awards

The Hard Worker's Barnstar I probably should have posted this earlier, but many thanks for jumping on board and helping out at POTD in the past few weeks/months. It certainly makes life easier not to have to worry about getting every day's blurb up to scratch in time, and to have someone else who is prepared to do the leg work of making sure the material posted is properly cited and up-to-scratch. Thank you for this and all the other excellent work you do on the Wiki, Ravenpuff.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2019 (UTC) gaudete et exsultate Thank you for quality articles such as Gaudete et exsultate and List of titular churches, for updating the history of images and hooks used in DYK, for dealing with In the news and Main page errors, for sensible redirects and page moves to better capitalisation, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 20 June 2019 (UTC) The Editor's Barnstar This is to acknowledge and thank you for patrolling the DYK prep sets and making much-needed grammatical fixes! Yoninah (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC) The Original Barnstar I couldn't find a special barnstar but I just wanna show some appreciation for all of your brilliant grammar rescue works done in the preps <3 VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 16:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

ITN credit

On 6 June 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Elio Sgreccia, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 03:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC) On 14 July 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Paolo Sardi, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 23:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC) On 29 July 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 03:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC) On 13 August 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Sergio Obeso Rivera, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 17:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC) On 30 August 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Achille Silvestrini, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 12:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC) On 6 September 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article José de Jesús Pimiento Rodríguez, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 12:26, 10 September 2019 (UTC) On 2 October 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article William Levada, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 06:12, 2 October 2019 (UTC) On 10 October 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Serafim Fernandes de Araújo, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:35, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

"Baroness Cryer"

Hi,

Regarding your edit here, my understanding is that the wife of a hereditary baron is a baroness, but John Cryer is a life peer. Ellie Reeves has the right to use "Lady Cryer" as a courtesy title, but doesn't, as mentioned in the article.

Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 15:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: The wife of any baron (whether hereditary or for life) is a baroness; for instance, see Samantha Cameron or a different article in Category:Spouses of life peers. Whether we should include "Baroness Cryer" in the infobox/lead is a separate discussion, but I would say that we should at least mention it in the lead (as her "formal title"), even if we omit it from the infobox. This is the practice used for Emily Thornberry, for example. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm beginning to suspect that I've been hasty. But could you point to reliable (off-wiki) sources to back that up? I can't find references to Samantha Cameron as "Baroness Cameron", for example, or any official ruling on the correct titles. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 17:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: There are some useful sources cited at Baron § Styles of address – especially this page from Debrett's about barons and their wives. Basically, in the same way that our article on David Cameron has "Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton" in the infobox and "Baron Cameron of Chipping Norton" in the lead, the same practice applies to Samantha Cameron, with "Lady"/"Baroness" being the corresponding female terms. Samantha Cameron hasn't been in the news since her husband was made a peer in November 2023, but she is definitely entitled to be referred to as "Baroness Cameron [of Chipping Norton]" through him. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 19:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was certainly mistaken about the hereditary aspect, so please accept my apologies. I did find this document (p.20) issued by the Passport Office that says: "The title of baron and baroness is not usually used, except by peeresses in their own right", but perhaps that only applies to passports. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 21:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jean-de-Nivelle: No worries. As regards that document, I think the sentence you quoted merely refers to the fact that you see peers formally referred to as "Lord Smith" but not "Baron Smith", which practice is reflected in Wikipedia infoboxes. However, "Baroness Smith" is used for women who are peers in their own right. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 22:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

3rd generation appellation in sources

Hello! As you are a local editor for Cardinal electors in the 1978 papal conclaves I wanted to touch base about a change I made. The author Lentz uses "III" in his name. The citation was originally configured this way:

• <ref>{{cite book|last=Lentz|first=Harris M., III|...etc}}

The problem with placing the "III" under |first=Harris M., III is that the comma generates a Category:CS1_maint:_multiple_names:_authors_list maintenance message. Placing the "III" appellation under |last=Lentz III removes the error message.

I looked for guidance on where appellations such as "III" are supposed to be placed but my cursory check couldn't find anything (I'm sure it exists but didn't want to spend forever looking for it). I made the change to the article, but afterwards, realized that since you are a frequent local editor for that page, I wanted to make sure the change met with your approval. If not, let me know and I will self-revert, or please feel free to revert my change if you like.

I was thinking, since the CS1 message is hidden from all users by default, it's not a glaring error, but nonetheless, maybe the "III" could just be dropped? (or I could just remove the comma, or encase the entire entry within double parentheses / keeping the comma, like this |first=((Harris M., III)) which would also remove the error message) I dunno, whatever works for you, I'm fine with... but so sorry for the hassle! Take care,  Spintendo  04:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Update - I went ahead and placed the template within double parentheses, that way the error message is resolved while preserving the page as it was. I noticed {{sfnp|Lentz III}} which displays as Lentz III (2002) -- because it appears so often in the article -- well, that just seemed fairly disruptive enough that it looks much better the way you originally had it configured. So in the end, the problem is solved, no muss no fuss ... again, sorry for the hassle! Regards,  Spintendo  04:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)