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I just wanted tohank you for the heard work that you do archiving threads on both user talk pages and on content talk page.s It is much appreciated and teh project is better for your presence. You desrve a barnstar. Smith Jones (talk) 02:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No it's not - instead of just redirecting the bot's talk page to his, Beta decided on having all threads copied to his own. Миша1312:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah... didn't know they were coming from the bot's talk page - didn't know where they were coming from, honestly. Makes sense now. Thanks for the reply! JPG-GR (talk) 01:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
:o You got me confused because issue 23 was bolded on the newsletter page, not 22. In future, best to point out the issue # when signalling me to deliver it. Anyway, fixing in progress... Миша1318:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request for uninvolved comment
Hi Misza13,
I found you at random from the list of administrators. I am currently involved in a disagreement of sorts with an administrator, Raul654, regarding the content of some of the Global Warming articles. I should stress that I am not challanging any science based portion of these articles.
I have written up on my talk page an informal request for comment on the situation, here. I come to you with the intention of accepting your opinion regardless of if it leaves me blocked and Raul654 vindicated completely. I am aware that reading through this (and the rest of my edit history, to verify Raul654's own accusation that I am in fact myself a disruptive editor) will take a fair lump of your time and will further respect your decision if you decide I am wasting your time.
Well, whatever. If you actually read the deletion log, you'd see that the image was deleted per Image with unknown copyright status., citing WP:CSD#I4. In fact, even after your re-upload, you still didn't tag the image with an appropriate copyright tag. As such, the image will continue to be tagged and deleted. Миша1312:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That states nothing regarding your licensing conditions (and there are many to choose from) - every media on this site must have both the source and licensing information provided. I have provided the link for you above, let me repeat it explicitly: Wikipedia:Image copyright tags - please choose one that best fits you (as long as it's compatible with the image's planned use and that you're aware of implications of the chosen licensing). Regards, Миша1318:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you again soooo much for the invaluable Wikinews Importer Bot (talk·contribs). I was wondering - would there be a way to create a bot to capture only the four headlines, with dates, from the 4 "Lead" article blurbs on the n:Main Page of Wikinews?
Certainly possible, even though it would prolly be a quite different bot. Where would these be supposed to be dropped, and in what format? Миша1320:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to be a bother but even if it might take awhile it might be helpful to get a time estimate if this is something that could be done - we are trying to have some heady development and reform-style discussions on Wikinews and this type of bot or regularly updated list might help. Thank you so much, Cirt (talk) 00:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually if Wikinews Importer Bot (talk·contribs) could do it by itself that might work out better in the long run - eh, I am not too sure, I will defer to you as you know more about this sort of thing than me and how to set it up (if you have a chance). Cirt (talk) 02:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for not replying timely; I've been quite busy recently. Of course, if you manage to get the DPL templates to do your work, then everything is already set - the bot is able to import that format. If however the initial idea must be pursued then I will require several days (given my other tasks) to code and test it - shouldn't be much of an obstacle though. For a start, let's see if I have it ready by the end of this weekend. Миша1317:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think DPL would be the way to go for that because we would first need a category, and that would require updating either by a human or by a bot - either way, I would much rather prefer the initial idea of a straight bot to do it and crawl from Wikipedia for it. No worries if it takes you some time - thanks so much for helping - I had just wanted a rough time estimate, no problem if it takes awhile. Cirt (talk) 20:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some, yes. I still have to get the date for the headline. I'm thinking about the the date of the first revision of the article that's linked from the template. Will try to use the API for that. Stay tuned for an update tomorrow... Миша1316:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, it seems to be working as expected: [1] - I'll set it to update hourly as the original bot.
If you however plan on putting it on a high-visibility page (Main Page?) remember that the bot is not an admin and wouldn't be able to break through a cascading protection. :>Миша1317:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Um, how would we proceed if we did want to get around the cascading protection issue and put this on a high-visibility page, (Main Page, etc.) ? Cirt (talk) 23:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And on a related note, would it make a difference if at some point in the future the 4 Main Page lead templates at Wikinews were also full protected? Cirt (talk) 23:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't make any difference whatsoever since the bot only reads the the wikinews pages. Regarding going "around" the protection, should this idea arise seriously, I would prolly try a not-so-simple request on WP:BRFA/WT:BAG and finally on WP:BN to check if any 'crats had the balls to go "around" what is called "community consensus" and flag the bot +sysop in a rouge manner. Since I'm pretty sure none would, the only choice left would be WP:RfA, a.k.a. the hard way... Миша1320:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for all you have already done. I will think about this, discuss with others and look into it further, and keep you posted. Cirt (talk) 20:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Block of Dooooooo0000000000000000000000000000000
The username policy doesn't support instant blocks of names like "Dooooooo0000000000000000000000000000000". Were you unaware of this, or were you just applying IAR?
The consensus of WT:U is that it's much better to give a username warning with {{uw-username}} in those situations. That way, if the user is a good-faith user who didn't realize that they need to use a non-sucky name, we give them another chance and don't necessarily drive them away, and if they're a bad faith user, we find that out the first time they edit, because the username makes their vandalism really obvious and we can hardblock them.
So, how many 0s are there exactly? Or are those Os? Besides, the first thing the block template says is how to create a new account. And if they don't edit at all (which they most often do, if they just registered for the lulz), then it's a lost effort to communicate with them (2 messages in this case). This has been my experience with this type of users (with whom I've had a share of dealings). I suppose you're the type that would prefer to discuss every single block for at least a week prior to actually (not) placing it, but that's not how things have been accomplished over the past years. Миша1307:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why does it matter how many 0s or Os there are? Nobody's asking you to recite the user's name in a spelling bee. You're on a computer; if you want to see what the user's up to, you click on the link. It's no more difficult than interacting with, say, a user with an Arabic name.
Perhaps nobody was harmed by this block, but that was not the case for Ggggggggggggggg12 -- you could have been the one making that mistake. Yes, I think blocks need to be discussed, and I don't see placing unnecessary blocks as an "accomplishment". rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 22:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And BTW, what is this pointless digging in my months-old logs? After you poked me a month ago about a similar issue, I removed the character repetition rule from my bot. Now you made me go WTF three times: For once, I couldn't find this block in my recent log and was expecting some Mediawiki bug. Second, I went to remove the rule (again!) only to find it's not there anymore. And finally, when I checked the user himself (of course you didn't even link to him as you suggest and I had to go through the copy/paste routine - I'd type the username in the URL by hand if it was simpler) I saw you were referring to a block back from May. Srsly, the world has moved by a few million kilometers since then. Миша1323:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Huh. I actually don't know how I came across this block. I found the user's page as a link from some current event -- I've totally lost track of what -- and I mistakenly thought the block was current as well. I certainly didn't go digging in your logs intentionally. I do apologize for the confusion, then, and I appreciate the response to the unnecessary bother I've created. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 23:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image Renewal
I wonder if you know how to renew an image, like edit an Wikipedia image a little bit to make it look better and relace that image with the old one (The old one would be shown on the image page). Do you just upload the file under the same name, or is there a more complex procedure.
On every image page, in the "File history" section there is a link called "Upload a newer version of this file". Or you could just go straight to Special:Upload and simply specify the same destination. Either way, you should probably only upload the image with a different version of it, not with an entirely different image. Cheers, Миша1318:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion of Image:Phoenix_Fire_Dept_Logo.png
You recently deleted an image (Image:Phoenix_Fire_Dept_Logo.png) that I uploaded on the grounds that it was copyrighted but unused. However, WP:CSD#I5 clearly states: "Reasonable exceptions may be made for images uploaded for an upcoming article." After I received a speedy deletion warning, I added a note to the image's description section saying that it was intended for us in an upcoming article. I believe that the image is acceptable for upload under said conditions, and I would appreciate your input on the matter. Thank you.
Seanm028 (talk) 10:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that you deleted Image:BlusterKong.jpg. Based on the guideline you cited, I am under the impression that you deleted it because it was not used in any articles at that point. For some reason, Bluster Kong became a redirect to List of Donkey Kong characters but the information about him was not merged into the list. I have completed the merge, but the section would look much better if the image supplimented the information. Would you mind restoring the image now that it would be in use?
My talk page hasn't been archived since July 7, but it also hasn't been touched since July 26, though everything on it right now ought to be archived since my minthreads is set to 0. = ∫tc5th Eye06:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm having some trouble using the archivebot.py on de.wikinews. This is the error:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "archivebot.py", line 475, in main
Archiver = PageArchiver(pg, a, salt, force)
File "archivebot.py", line 298, in __init__
self.loadConfig()
File "archivebot.py", line 339, in loadConfig
raise MissingConfigError
MissingConfigError
Can you please help me? Don't know what to do. I don't think that there is any error, I took your original-script and I have always this error. My script looks like this: http://rapidshare.com/files/138279277/archivebot.py.html
I tried it now on an english wiki, too, with english timestamps, but nothing works. I just can't help myself, why it isn't archieving anything. Even with the original script, it isn't working and I just don't get why.--HouseGhostDiscussion22:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It always displays the help - something to do with the framework itself, not my bot.
I think the problem on dewiki is with the timestamp format - it's quite different from what we use on enwiki (and the bot doesn't handle that format). Can you show me an example on the english wiki where it doesn't work either? Миша1319:54, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
if not TIME:
TIME = txt2timestamp(TM.group(0),"%H:%M, %d. %b. %Y (%Z)")
if not TIME:
TIME = txt2timestamp(TM.group(0),"%H:%M, %b. %d. %Y (%Z)")
if not TIME:
TIME = txt2timestamp(TM.group(0),"%H:%M, %d. %B. %Y (%Z)")
Because (as the documentation I linked to explains) backslashes themselves are control sequence markers and must be escaped twice: "%H:%M, %d\\. %b\\. %Y (%Z)". And no, to my knowledge it hasn't been used on any german wiki. Миша1317:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, thanks for your help. I did that changes, but it is still not working. As I see (and the error message is the following when I take away the "if TM:"-condition), it doesn't even grab the timestamp:
TIME = txt2timestamp(TM.group(0),"%H:%M, %d\\. %b\\. %Y (%Z)")
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group'
Well, I'm certainly lost now. If I find some free time in the following days, I'll try to do it myself and see what's the problem. Миша1317:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I got it here. With a lot of regexp and replace-functions. (like taking the dots away, and changing things like "Dez(ember)" into "Dec(ember)". Not the best method, but I hope that it will work until you bring up a new version with better german support :-).--HouseGhostDiscussion00:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You deleted the Church of Scientology publicity photo featuring John Travolta and Rep. Ros Lehtinen on August 7th. The photo was more than properly documented as fair use, and it is the only known photo of a prominent Republican politician at a Scientology event. So what gives? MiamiManny (talk) 13:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I set up archiving via your bot for my talk page back on the 15th. So far, however, there hasn't been any activity. I'm wondering if this is because I've done manual archiving before and the bot doesn't want to touch the current archive, or if I'm doing it wrong, or what... Could you please figure out how I'm screwing it up, and let me know how to fix it? Thanks. --coldacid (talk|contrib) 18:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Misza. I can't seem to get the bot to archive our project's talk page. The code looks correct but no archiving has been done over the past few days... Is it a problem with the code? Thanks :) -SamuelTan09:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To me, "duh" means "you're being stupid". "Epic duh" (in all caps, no less) means then "you're being very stupid". How is that not incivil? If you don't see this as a problem, please review WP:Civility. -kotra (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, now I'm 100% sure the problem is on your end. I suggest you research the meaning of "duh" further before making any more frivolous comments. Regards, Миша1318:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously, this is hilarious. I honestly thought you would get the hint and go about your business now. But instead you continue this nonsensical discussion. But I'm not at all surprised that you have chosen references that are biased towards your POV, instead of, for example, reading up our own definition or about the root of the word. Well, if the hint wasn't clear before: I am not interested in further participation in this perversion. Thank you, Миша1320:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know this particular case is minor, but if you still don't see how you were being incivil, then it could potentially be a much more extensive problem. Incivility is particularly problematic for bot owners and administrators, as per Wikipedia:BOT#Good communication and Wikipedia:Administrators#Administrator conduct. As I'm sure you're aware, Wikipedia only works if editors respect each other.
And I don't understand why you say I've "chosen" references that are biased to my POV: they say nearly the same thing as the wiktionary definition you provide. Dictionary.com and m-w.com are just the only two online dictionaries I am aware of (aside from wiktionary, which I don't use). Regardless, wiktionary defines "duh" as "Disdainful indication that something is obvious." wikt:Disdain is further defined as "A feeling of contempt or scorn." Now do you understand why I feel your usage of the term is incivil? If you do not, please explain respectfully. I am trying to resolve this in a cordial manner, please do the same for me. -kotra (talk) 21:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Minor pedantic aside: the origin of "duh" is not "d'oh". All the etymologies of the word I've seen (admittedly, only two) put the origin in the 1960s, as an imitation of a sound slow-witted people (allegedly) make. Reading up on it more, it seems that the two have recently been mistaken to have the same source, but they do not. This is, however, pretty irrelevant. -kotra (talk) 22:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for doing this. Quick question, can you change this to only 3 items in the list and not 4? I will update you on how this goes, I am about ready to propose it. Cirt (talk) 22:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Order of statements in MiszaBot III config, transclude questions
Is order of statements which configure MiszaBot critical, in addition to having a carriage return/line feed (new line) for each statement following a pipe character? May the configuration template be transcluded to the talk page, say from a Talkheader template? Thank you! -Newportm (talk) 18:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The order is irrelevant - in fact, the bot will sort the variables in its preferred order next time it edits the page. Also, the template can't be transcluded from another page because then the bot wouldn't find it if it were to "enter edit mode". Миша1320:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, there are some errors that need to be banged out. Please don't deliver it until I send you another message later this afternoon, when I get home. -- iMatthewT.C.11:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - sorry to bother you, the bot seems to have left my talkpage untouched for quite a while now; the paramaters in my template all seem to be right, I wonder if you could take a look at it. Thanks! ╟─Treasury§Tag►contribs─╢ 17:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, I use those parameters already, I'm afraid - my code says:
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|minthreadsleft = 0
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(2d)
|archive = User talk:TreasuryTag/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthnameshort)s
}}
Then it must be random space radiation - it happens from time to time that the bot doesn't see a page on Special:Whatlinkshere of the template. Best I could do for now was to remove and add it back, hoping it forces the mw:templatelinks table to update. If nothing happens though, I'll see about changing it to use api.php instead... Миша1319:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please help me set up an automatic archive on my talk page
Hello there. I fear that you get these sorts of requests only too often but unfortunately when I tried to set up automatic archiving on my talk page using MiszaBot III, nothing seemed to have happened. Could you please check over the code I have used and inform me of what the problem is? Thanks in advance. It Is Me Here (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please see two threads above - you might be the victim of the same effect (the bot doesn't see your page). I'll see what I can do about it. Миша1319:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am fairly new to Wikipedia but not at all new to physics. I have been contributing to the Greenhouse effect but recently dicussion has been almost completely suppressed by the introduction of automatic archiving which sends discussion to the archives when it is a few weeks old. It does this by running some software called a mizabot or some such. I have been told that I might be able to adjust the parameters of this Mizabot but, although I have searched extensively, I cannot find where the code is still less how to edit these parameters. I am familiar with the obscurities of MS Access with it hidden processing that conceals most of what is happening. To me this automatic archiving is similar.
Are you able to enlighten me on the matter of automatic archiving? I have asked those who enabled the archiving to change it to leave contributions for this year visible but no luck so far. Perhaps the last 6 months would be a better idea. The current situation is absurd and appears to be quite contrary to Wikipedia policy i.e, consent for automatic archiving (is this for all archiving?)
I may be at the wrong place or completely out of step, I have the weird feeling I am writing this to a non-existant person whose identity is only a programing construct, it keeps you in the beginner category just so much longer. I have contribution to make to Greenhouse effect and I don't see why discussion should be suppressed by archiving. --Damorbel (talk) 21:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, it's "Misza", not "Miza" - seems like dozens of people who keep confusing that can't read what's before their very eyes.
Second, you're talking to me, a human, the bot's operator.
Third, the edits where the archiving was requested were here: [2] - as you see, it wasn't me who did that, I only provide archiving service to those who opt in to use it. (And you could've found it in the page's history on your own.) If someone uses it against consensus, it's not my problem - you can adjust the settings, revert the archiving, etc.
Fourth, if you bothered to do some research first, and visited the bot's userpage, you'd invariably end up at User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo which explains the rules of archiving in great detail.
Fifth, archiving discussions that haven't been posted to in two month can hardly be called "suppressing" (on the other hand, it's a demagogy-loaded word, and entirely unnecessary here). If you want that to be 6 months, help yourself, I coudln't care less.
Sixth, if you bothered to enter edit mode on the archived page, you'd notice the bot's configuration at its very top (does that qualify as more than "extensive searching"?).
Thanks for the warm welcome to a beginner! Your response "Fifth, archiving discussions that haven't been posted to in two month" I may have made a mistake but what I object to is stuff being archived when it has been on show for two months or less, in my book that is "suppressing", I know you "coudln't care less" sorry I bothered you for help.--Damorbel (talk) 12:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
By the way your problem with the spelling of you name arises because sometimes it reads "Миша" instead of Misza. I have the same problem because my name was originally Gaelic. I solved the problem by not getting upset when dealing with non Gaelic speakers who did not understand. I tried looking at the Polish alphabet but I still couldn't resolve the characters in Миша, is that article no good? --Damorbel (talk) 13:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I am interested in reviving this Newsletter, but User:R who used to work with the delivery has since retired. I noticed that your bot does the delivery for WP:PW, is there a chance that it could do so for WP:PUR? - Caribbean~H.Q.01:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. I'm so wound up with work lately, I only occasionally check for new messages. :( I do though (as I check my mailbox), so feel free to msg me at any time (don't expect a very timely response though). Миша1320:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
how is the archiving done?
I would like an explanation about how archiving is done, in particular unresolved complaints. I am referring to a complaint entitled /*Harassment by Badagnani */ which was archived in this sweep. Would it be appropriate to reinstate it, and if so, how? Ohconfucius (talk) 02:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Archiving (as noted in the edit summary) is done by copying threads that are older than (in case of AN/I) 24 hours (where "old" means that no one has posted to the thread in 24 hours). If you wish to reinstate a thread just copy it from the archive back to the main page (and add a fresh timestamp, so that the bot doesn't archive it right away). Миша1319:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
