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There is currently only one thread that qualifies for your old(30d) algorithm - the first Signpost, signed July 23rd. As a new feature, the bot has a minimum amount of 2 threads (by default) to archive in one run (to reduce page history pollution). It is adjustable using the minthreadstoarchive parameter (see User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo). Миша1309:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's one issue that has been brought up already. ===Third level headers=== are still an issue - it's unlikely the bot will ever archive anything there (until I write some code to handle this - read: not anytime soon), as it basically treats the entire "Violations" section as one big thread. Миша1322:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Poor Ariel is so confused, lol. I can't figure out why for the past few days the bot continues to put threads into archives 1 and 2, even when the day previous, it said they were full. It is ending up dumping threads from late Aug/Sept into the archive from July, and I tried to fix them but hooo boy did I get confused, lol. (I couldn't figure out what I'd removed and where to put it, sheesh what a mess! lol.) I have the archive size set at: |maxarchivesize = 100K and both my User talk:ArielGold/Archive 1 and User talk:ArielGold/Archive 2 have been over 100k, but MiszaBot still adds a thread to them each morning. Is there a way I can "close" an archive, even if it isn't full, and get the bot to start putting all threads into a new archive? Sorry if this is a stupid question, lol. This whole archiving thing is playing havoc with my Type A personality. First I tried to do it myself, organizing things by date as much as I could, but things got so messed up, that I figured a bot could do it better, lol. But now I have stuff from September in my July archives, . I know I should probably just not care, right? lol. Anyway, is there any way to tell the bot an archive is "off limits"? lol. Ariel♥Gold16:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
*scratches head* Very odd indeed. In this edit, it should also update the counter = 1 to counter = 3 which you can always do manually to force it to move to another archive. (Same thing happened here, here, here and here, which is most odd as it seems to update counters properly on other pages...) I guess the bot needs some spanking... Миша1317:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
ROFL Omg you mean it isn't something I did wrong? All this time I was checking, double checking the bot code every single day after the bot kept putting stuff into archives, thinking I just simply must be doing something wrong, and not wanting to bother you, but yeah, it has been a few days now, lol. I will update the counter manually, and we can see what happens tomorrow, sound good? (Omg I'm so glad it wasn't something I did lol) I guess I will just live with the semi-confused state of the archives, because I seriously screwed them up trying to "fix" things, lol. Thanks for answering so speeeedy fast! Ariel♥Gold17:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, seems it was me after all (it's always the developer's fault ). One culpritregex was causing it not to update the configuration when it contained a "}" (like the archiveheader thingie did). Should be fixed now. Миша1317:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll never understand how you über programmers can read that stuff, to me it is like a big jumble of... well, like looking into a bowl of Alpha-Bits, lol. How come it updated others' counts, but not mine? That has to have something to do with the way I put my code into the talk page, yes? (I've gone ahead and updated it to say header=3, so it should work, we'll see if it updates to 4.) lol, I swear, I read all the archive threads about MiszaBot, I looked about 30 people's talk page headers to see what code they used, compared it to mine, and boy was I confuzzled. Oh well, I guess at the least we identified a potential "bug", so that's good right? lol. Thanks for the quick answer! Ariel♥Gold17:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ohhhh I think I understand it now, you mean that I used the {{atn}} archive navigator, instead of the normal one most people use? Ariel♥Gold17:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely. And when I first introduced the archiveheader parameter, I missed this one place in the code where the bot could get confused. Frankly I wonder how many other pages use a custom template, but their owners haven't yet noticed the bot is going b0rk3d around them, lol. Миша1317:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well golly gee willakers, I'm glad I could help you figure it out! (Even if I had no clue lol.) I honestly haven't seen any pages that use that header I use, I found it just by doing some searching of my own, not from seeing it on someone's page, so hey, maybe not very many people use it. (I just liked the colors better, more "girlie" lol) Thanks again for helping figure this out! Ariel♥Gold17:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I noticed that yesterday on commons. I have commited a fix, but (as usual) have forgotten to run a svn update on the toolserver. Will do that as soon as I return home and have shell access back (will also put the updater into cron). Миша1307:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image of Arattupuzha vel panicker
This img(Image:Arattupuzha vel panicker.JPG) has been deleted by the user Misza13 on August 19, 2007 as it was obtained from some websites by someone. Now, i have obtained a Hardcopy of this photo from Arattapuzha Velayudha Panicker Research Foundation and Cultural Centre at Mangalam, Alappuzha, Kerala, India. I can now digitize and put it in wikipedia. But problem here is it looks exactly same as the snap deleted by the user. please advice
Daya Anjali (talk/contribs) 04:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bot notices
Do you think it would be possible to add a 'notice' functionality to the bot, or have another bot work with it to give out notices? Mainly, leave a note on people's talk pages whenever the bot is updated, such as the minimum threads thing, or the bot switches to a new archive (Archive 4 -> 5, and such), for that user only of course. This would be insanely useful, I wouldn't have to have a redlink on my userpage just so I know when to add another archive link to my archive box --lucid06:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry then. Short attention span :p Maybe in the mean time it would be a good idea to ask the signpost to distribute news of such updates in their bots/admin section? Wouldn't reach everyone, but it would at least be easier when people go 'hey wtf' on IRC to say "read signpost nub" --lucid14:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bot edit
Sorry, MiszaBot III, if this is the wrong place to post, or if this is of no interest! Re- (cur) (last) 06:40, 2 September 2007 MiszaBot II (Talk | contribs) m (296,080 bytes) (Archiving 2 thread(s) (older than 14d) to Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons/Archive_10.) (undo) -- That talkpage is still too long, though I myself cannot update a BOT-script. Not the BOT's fault, though, just FYI. or, other- thanks. NBG Newbyguesses - Talk08:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You can shorten the archiving threshold. From the summary, I can see it's set to algo = old(14d) - you could try to set it to 10 or even 7 days, but beware of angry masses that will whine about messages getting archived prematurely. Best discuss that on the affected page first. Миша1309:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
MiszaBot3
Hello, I saw your MiszaBot3 and I thought it would be neat to get it to arcive my talk page; so I added the template on my talk page, but it doesn't seem to work. I'm wondering if I did anything wrong on the config template or is there something wrong with MiszaBot3.--Sunny910910(talk|Contributions)18:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Archiving your talk page would violate the default minthreadsleft treshold of 5 (there are only 5 threads now). You have lowered that to 2, but only after today's run (the bot runs only once every day) - please wait until tomorrow. Миша1318:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I likewise can't possibly know how many of my images you might have nuked. That said, my immediate concern is all the images missing from the Compact disc: Logos section.
I don't think the "fix" worked, lol. Poor lil MiszaBot is still not updating the counter, ([1] yesterday, [2] and today,) even when archive is full. (Yesterday, [3] and today: [4].) I hope I don't have to go back to the ugly brown archive header, lol. I like the pretty blue one better! I'll manually update the archive number again. lol. Ariel♥Gold16:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Poor the bot is indeed. For having such a dumb master. It is me to blame, of course, as I have not read the regex module's documentation thoroughly and have passed some arguments where they meant something else (without going into technical depths this time). Anyway, should be really fixed now. Thanks, Миша1317:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
ROFL I think that you just simply must blame the bot for having a mind of his own! ~*Giggle*~ Actually I think you both are wonderful, and even if I had to update my archive number every day I'd still do it because lordy knows, I made a mess of it trying to archive things myself, lol. But I'm glad that at the least, you were able to figure out why our little MiszaBot's mind was "wandering". As always, you have my deepest thanks. Ariel♥Gold17:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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MiszaBot III
Hi! I've been using MiszaBot III for a while now. But, recently, it won't archive my talk page. It stopped after this happened: It archived a couple of threads, and then found the archive was full as I had set it up. But, it didn't remove the threads from my talk page. Now, it hasn't archived for weeks, but, just today, it archived with this: Archiving 2 thread(s) (older than 24h) to /dev/null when my talk page is set up to archive 14d old threads. Also, it didn't create a new archive, or archive to the old one. Here is how the template currently looks on my talk page:
Oh, and becuase I have to go to school, if you could fix this for me, that would be great! If you edit my talk page, you will notice near the top "<!-- Begin archive function -->. That is where the MiszaBot III configuration template is. Thanks,
There was exactly one edit between the creation of that account and your block of that account. There's something wrong with that. Nice job, speedy fingers ;) Gscshoyru22:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have a question? How is it possible for you to block an inappropriate username extremely fast? Someone creates an inappropriate username (like Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee), and you block it within one second after the account creation. How do you do that? NHRHS2010 Talk 23:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings. I really like your archiving bot, and I am wondering if it is possible for it to detect time stamps created by unsigned templates. Thanks. – Basar (talk·contribs) 23:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
{{unsigned}} does not generate a timestamp on its own. It uses the one that you provide as a parameter. Hence, if you do not provide a valid one (for example, by omitting the timezone part), if will not recognize it. Миша1322:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is a problem with the timestamps left by SineBot and the like. Could you have MiszaBot ignore any trailing </small><!-- and comments --> when looking for timestamps, please? ←BenB410:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Two comments maybe? I had to do this, for a SineBot sig ending "{{#if:16:22:09, August 19, 2007 (UTC)| 16:22:09, August 19, 2007 (UTC)}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->". ←BenB414:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"16:22:09, August 19, 2007 (UTC)" is a non-standard (as in ~~~~-generated) timestamp, because:
there should be no seconds (who cares about them anyway?),
day should go before the month,
there should be no comma before the year.
My bot is already quite liberal in the amount of creative variations, but there are some limits. My opinion is that SineBot should instead be tweaked to use a standard timestamp. Миша1315:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since when is it not allowed to use Wikipedia screenshots for support questions? The only reason it was "unused" is because someone delinked it as a supposed copyright violation. (I'll check back here for your response). - 131.211.210.1710:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a specific image in mind? I delete hundreds of them every day. And by the way, screenshots tend to contain parts of copyrighted content and thus cannot be always free. Миша1312:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Javascript/Template question
I thought you might have an answer to this. Is there a template that I can use that when placed on a page converts into the articles name? for instance if I put {{Page}}(an example) it would automatically convert into the name of the article which it's placed on? Does such a thing exist? If not, What javascript would be required to make such a script possible to create such a template? Wikidudeman(talk)19:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes, when I look at special:Log and see that you block an inappropriate username within 1 second after creation. How do you do that? (I am not an administrator, but I am just wondering) NHRHS2010 Talk 00:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it does - what else could be expected? I have only one (main) account with admin abilities and the bot runs on it. Миша1322:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I fail to see how this is of interest to me (and why should I contact someone) - this wasn't even me but rather my bot - and the block was simply yet another user... —Миша1310:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Misza13. User:Soundstormaj's uploaded images include movie posters, album covers and publicity shots, and all bear the same dubious licensing tag claiming the editor is the copyright holder. I can revert the changes in the articles, but I pass this info along in case you wanted to delete the related images. --Rrburke(talk)02:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bot doesn't archive post that was marked with unsignedIP tag
The first section of my talk page was autosigned using the unsignedIP template, and MiszaBot does not seem to recognize that format. The link is to the IP's contributions, which might be the problem. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, the problem are the seconds, reversed day<->month order and a comma. See a previous thread. Thankfully, SineBot seems to be using a standard timestamp now - you may want to adjust your talk page manually. Миша1313:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure exactly how the bot works, but do you have an account? You're not logged in now. It looksl like you'd probably have to change the "My_user_name" part to your username, whatever it is. LeeboT/C16:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Quite obvious - there were ==section headers== inside <pre> tags (and shouldn't be treated as such). I have no clue however how to easily fix the bot to handle such situations. I have provided a workaround that will hopefully make the bot ignore these "headers" as sections. Миша1320:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, no. The bot searches for the configuration only in the main page's code. If it's transcluded from somewhere else, it can't find it. Миша1316:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing mine as well. My adoptee did me a favor and moved all of my talk page code to a subpage for me, and must not have known to leave your bot's code on the page. Sorry for not catching it, and thanks again, TheHybrid22:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Proposal for a cooperative effort among several bot designers/code writers
Misza, would you kindly consider helping to assemble a small group of bot designers that can interact on the project of organizing the tagging of NFC? Among the things that will be needed is a running tally of image and media file template usage. In kind response to my request, arising out of ongoing discussions at WT:NFC Betacommand has recently put together a static tally here. The partially complete tally includes Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/All#Non-free_content and Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/Public_domain. This will ideally need to be converted to a running tally of usages of all templates in Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/All#Non-free_content and perhaps even the entire list of tags in Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/All. Can you consider this? Do you know other competent bot designers who might be interested? This is, IMO, too important to leave to one user, because it has to do with complying with the Wikimedia Board Licensing Policy Resolution issued in March 2007. WP needs to get this more-or-less in order by March 2008. I just left a similar note on Rich Farmbrough's page. I look forward to hearing more about this possiblity of a cooperative effort so the whole task does not fall on one user (presently Betacommand). ... Kenosis15:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Misza. Yes, something that can keep a regular tally of usage of all the templates on the one page. It would be daily, weekly, perhaps even monthly would be adequate for starters-- enough to develop trend lines of usage for each template, say, on a spreadsheet and ultimately on a chart or graph. For now, I'm trusting that the Image_copyright_tags page will be where they'll be expected to be kept. There are presently some stray ones out there, though I imagine thatl'll get readily enough decided in the future, even if the page's name is changed to something else in the future.
So, I think we're talking about a bot that's sufficiently important to Wikipedia that IMO the code should be shared among a small committee of experienced, trusted, competent bot operators. Rich Farmbrough also responded on my talk page to the similar request I made here>, and I haven't yet called this developing conversation to Betacommand's attention, though feel free to mention it to him if you talk with him before I do. ... Kenosis14:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would probably go further and made the code public. It could perhaps be kept on a public repository on the toolserver, with few developers having write access to it. I'll give it a thought over the next few days. Миша1318:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering if you would mind taking a look at my talk page here. For some reason Misza III doesn't seem to be archiving it anymore. I don't recall changing anything recently so I don't know why it stopped. Thanks. KnightLago19:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An editor added {{User:MiszaBot/config}} to the Talk:Luton page, and so MiszaBot has moved various threads to subpages named by months. But there is no box at the top of the main talk page listing the archives. Should we have done something to get such a box created automatically, or do we have to make it by hand? Thanks, JonH17:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One can do it by hand (which is not that much work once the initial ones are created) or can somehow use ClueBot III (talk·contribs) - it supposedly can maintain archive indexes (in addition to regular archiving). Миша1318:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for contributing in the wikipedia database wipeout process
Hello. I just wanted to mention that I just started to spend time that I already spent for the same thing writing things that had been subject to speedy deletion. You invoked a communist in me, so I licensed most of my contributions in a new self-made bot-compliant license now. If you consider doing further damage to my contributions, I consider leaving the English part of the Wikipedia. Please, in future, dump a copy of my deleted contributions in my talk page (so I can correct them rather than rewrite them). --Lazer erazer14:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What is your problem, exactly? I have deleted a total of one image you uploaded and within policy - it was a non-free image that wasn't used in articles. You have been sufficiently warned on your talk page that such images may be subject to deletion. Furthermore, I am in no way obliged to inform anyone of my speedy deletions (which would be insane). If your best way of contributing is to vent on people who enforce copyright policy, then by all means leave. Миша1316:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
CC-BY-SA is probably the most common variation used on both Wikipedia and Commons (it is also in a way compatible with the GFDL used by default). Any limitations might disqualify it as free enough for Wikipedia (most notably, free images here must allow for commercial reuse (again, for GFDL compatibility, I presume), so NC is out of the question), though I'm not an expert on this. You can check the upload wizard, follow the own work path and see the available choices. Though you might also seriously consider uploading the image to Commons instead (to allow wider use). Миша1321:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there. I just added the code for MiszaBot on my talk page; is there a predetermined time when the page will be archived? Do I have to do something to activate it? Is there some file other than User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo which can answer my noobish questions so I needn't pester you with them? Thanks. – Scartol · Talk01:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll answer this! (I feel like the little girl who shoots her hand up in class, Ooh ooh! I know! I know! hee hee) MiszaBot III runs once daily, and starts around 8:30 a.m. Eastern time. So your name should be reached before 10 a.m. Eastern time, normally. Ariel♥Gold01:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have a problem on my talk page too. I noticed that I put the code as told many many days ago and It's still not archived. I must have made a common error... Could you look into it please?
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Hello Misza. We are trying to see if MiszaBot archiving would work at WP:COIN. There was a discussion over at User_talk:MER-C whether the show/hide boxes used to resolve issues would confuse the bot. I was going to do one archiving run to see what would happen. Meanwhile I noticed you moved one of the reports on the Noticeboard. That particular one is supposed to stay permanently at the top, and not be archived. Perhaps you can recommend how it should be handled. Thanks, EdJohnston18:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are confused because how Mediawiki displays the diff. I have not moved the thread down - I have move the MiszaBot template up. It must be placed before the first thread (defined as a ==second level section==) or the bot will not find it at all. However, as long as the section meant to stay does not contain a valid timestamp, it will be ignored and not archived. Миша1319:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing that. Since I notice that no reports from COIN have yet been archived, something must not be acceptable to the bot. I note for example that WP:COIN#Kandisky123_-_Promotion_of_commercial_website has not been archived, while the last dated comment is 14 August. Our reports have a somewhat irregular structure. Perhaps I should make a couple of dummy reports with backdated signatures, and see if I can get them to archive, to see what the matter is. EdJohnston16:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If i were to place proper fair-use and copyright tags on the deleted images that were on CKCK-TV's article, would you be willing to undelete them? I know that one was uploaded by a fellow wikipedian from one of their own video tapes of the station's programming... RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk01:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
