User talk:InedibleHulk/Archive 6

I saw your post to Jimbo

I also responded to your request. Ten day call to assemble notice, I'm counting on people like you and your friends to respond.

Official State of Colorado, U.S.A. Article Project. Paptilian (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

People like me are immaterial for the remainder of this ghastly year, and the friends I've left behind on this hallowed site largely cannot smell what I'm cookin' half the time (or more), so I don't think you, a stranger, will reach them any sooner or clearer. I can ask Baseball Bugs to doublecheck, but I believe you've "lost me at the bakery". I've never been to Colorado, but have edited articles about Aurora and Wattenburg, have you been and should I bother visiting? Anyway, new talk page sections should stay away from the top, and that's the bottom line, 'cause traditional community elders said so (and the newfangled robotech behind the "New section" button echoes and amplifies this advice into cold, hard command)! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

But now that it's here, don't move it. I like how Section 25 now has "December" beside it. It's seasonal, but not so blatantly Roman, Catholic or Algonquin as to offend some Turks, Jews or Utes. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:54, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Where am I, who are you, what's going on?

Another day, another talk page. Fill it up, folks. There are no stupid questions! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Just can't stay away... All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:51, 3 June 2020 (UTC).

Deep down inside, aren't we all cats? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Just saw this. Now I can't unsee it. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Don't blame me, blame the cat, it was his idea! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

2020 WikiSlam Bot Bracket

There are no live sports being played on our continent. We must make do with virtual contests.

It's 2021, nobody wins anything, everyone goes home.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
1st Round 2nd Round Quarterfinals Semifinals Finals                               1 ClueBot NG 32 Salebot     17 Merge bot 16 Lowercase sigmabot III     9 HostBot 24 Hazard-Bot     25 MusikBot II 8 MusikBot     5 DYKUpdateBot 28 TheMagikBOT     21 BotPuppet 12 DumbBOT     13 CommonsDelinker 20 Yobot     29 PowerBOT 4 AnomieBOT     3 Legobot 30 SDZeroBot     19 Mathbot 14 SuggestBot     11 DatBot 22 DPL bot     27 JJMC89 bot III 6 InternetArchiveBot     7 Citation bot 26 WikiCleanerBot     23 Bender the Bot 10 Cewbot     15 AAlertBot 18 AntiCompositeBot     31 Cydebot 2 SineBot

We're going to need more champions. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 05:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

There's a one-time UFC Flyweight Championship contender from Texas primed to stand her ground against a plucky Mexican underdog tomorrow night in Vegas, out there in the real North America. What we need for Cyber Slam here is a RefBot. Any ideas, SuggestBot? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

The ref should be human. Can't expect a bot to know the difference between a clean fight and a dirty one. I see a ref in creffett. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 05:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh yeah, good eye! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:10, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I've been here fourteen years and never noticed Cewbot. I barely even get her deal after reading her task list. Whoever she's up against, let's make it a retirement match. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I may have been generous with the #10 seed. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 05:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

No worries, every grand tournament has some obscure first-round filler. Michigan's own Steiner Brothers would have never been big in Japan without crushing the weird little world that was the Pat O'Connor Memorial International Cup Tag Team Tournament, for instance. The important thing is not overspending on talent, which you clearly haven't! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Anyway, not exactly clear on the rules and scouting this field of unfeeling hopefuls has left me wondering what else has always been lurking right under my nose online, so I'm off to YouTube. Then bed, then virtual Vegas, then my secret Sunday spot. Have something on my desk by Monday morning, or I'm sending you to Kansas City for "seasoning" (with no offense!) else what? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

According to the Internet, the Central States are now run by computers. So pay no attention to the threat behind that deadline, not worth the ticket. Just explain whatever, whenever, and have a lovely weekend! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:35, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

"Rules", you say? I'm not familiar with the concept. I checked my dictionary and I got "ruffian", "rugged" and "rum", but no "rules". I'll have to do some research and get back to you. Have a lovely weekend as well! Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

After consulting with a reputable "calendar", it seems I had Friday confused with Thursday. So now real sports are tomorrow, no love for today! I used to know a guy who came around here insisting how bots should be treated by the community, though he was chased into obscurity by skeptical Indian spirits, angry about the other thing. But other lurkers still lurk. They'll have us up to here with their "rules", all we need is just a little patience. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

How's this for r00lz: We go round by round (probably should make this an 8 or 16 and not a 32). For each round, the bots are compared in a few objective and subjective categories. Each category is worth 1 point. Suggested objective categories: edit count, BAG approvals, and block log entries. Suggested subjective categories: coolest user name, coolest user page, coolest operator.^{[just kidding]} We'll have to figure out some categories. But WikiSlam 2020 is the competition that anyone can edit. Or judge. So any editor can cast a vote in the subjective categories. Bot with the most votes wins the subjective category. Objective categories are awarded objectively (in case you weren't following along). Bot who wins the most categories wins the round. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 05:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

There's sure to be a lot of media hype around the ClueBot NG-Salebot match. You can't see the dirtybot's stats with just a mouse roll-over, so here's a link to wikiscan.

Notable: Salebot leads ClueBot NG 455,674 to 0 in the reverts category. SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 07:47, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

This makes my head feel floaty and heavy at the same time! But I'm not complaining. Bots will be bots, may the objectively coolest conquer and enslave them all! (Also, turns out Cynthia Calvillo is technically neither Mexican nor underdog, my bad.) InedibleHulk (talk) 16:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

We're going to need a bigger bot. starship.paint (talk) 13:17, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Also a big and biggest. Otherwise, we'll lose track of who's bigger! Third should definitely be in 3-D, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, some nominations: WikiCleanerBot, PrimeBOT, AntiCompositeBot, Bender the Bot. Also, I feel that I ranked MathBot too high. --JBL (talk) 12:10, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Follow your heart! Barring that, consult and obey Levivich, ostensibly the head booker, main sponsor and executive producer of this extravaganza. Call me an ignorant neckbearded slob, but all bots are pretty much the same on my sheet, a solid six or seven. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Mathbot's got heart, always parsing above its limits. After weigh-in witnessed by a bureaucrat and a passing inspection of source code by an interface admin, these nominations have been Approved. Thanks, JBL! Just three slots left! Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 03:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, after a play-in match between PrimeBOT and AntiCompositeBot, the bracket is full. --JBL (talk) 12:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hooray! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:13, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

So I was thinking of making a "score card" template we can use the score each match and find out who wins and advances... but I can't figure out how we should score them. What is the criteria by which bot superiority is decided? What if a bot doesn't have shoulders to pin? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 17:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I saw a clip from one of the Transformer movies yesterday where the generic one sells an arm wringer, suggesting that stupid alien tool gave itself inflexible human-like shoulders, elbows and wrists. But that's too simple for us adults, Bender would cut through the field like a hot iceberg through buttery New Hampshire. We need...fresh ideas! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

All the kids will eat it up if it's packaged properly. Steal a sound and imitate, keep the format equally. Not an ode, it's just the facts: where our world is nowadays. An idea is what we lack; doesn't matter anyways. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 18:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Are those already lyrics, man? InedibleHulk (talk) 18:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

As apt today as they were 25 years ago, and 25 years prior when Dylan said pretty much the same thing, and Guthrie 25 years before that. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:05, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm stumped. But don't tell me, anyone! I got this. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:23, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, I tested your secret message against New Morning, results came back negative. In a rage, I kneecapped Cewbot and stole her jangly soul. Didn't put Bender through because somebody is late building the next round's framework, but trust me, she's not going anywhere. If anybody feels bad about a female robot being horrendously assaulted by the slimy venue owner backstage, remember, they're all the same. Also, I'm mainly slimy because it's August in Ontario and the wordless scream of Powerglove's Saturday Morning Apocalypse howls through the caverns of my mind (X-Men now, dig it!). But yeah, still don't tell me, I'll get back to that unplugged noise this evening, settle the score and all that afore. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

A-ha! It did smell like teen something. But not like Mexican seafood, beeswax or a hairspray queen, which I'd surely have recognized sooner as 1945 Guthrie singles. Crazy how we can hear a song a thousand times and still not pick up on the English. I'm about to figure out what "Downer" was actually saying, or at least what the Internet thinks it heard, 27 years later. Then I'll crack "Battles" by Atlas; I'm fairly sure it holds the key to something about how the computer always wins. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

A week ago, I wasn't sure if I understood what all this was about. Now I'm certain that I don't understand. --JBL (talk) 12:52, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You're making progress, Levi's rocking out, Sashi's doing math. But yeah, how this ties into the tournament remains a tad murky. Though that's to be expected in times of summer hockey, plausibly. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Also, I thought I saw lyrics above, but couldn't place them. Turns out they were from an old sea chanty me mudder used to hear me play in the old country, popularly known as "Aero Zeppelin" since 1992, and not a damn generation or two sooner! But enough of childish things, eh, let's figure out how to make these technologically advanced non-violent creatures fight for our amusement, till only the righteous stands. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

The Dylan song I was thinking of is It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) [1]. I don't remember which Guthrie song I was thinking of but let's face it, it could be pretty much any of 'em. Anyway, everyone gets real mad at me when I change the genre of Nirvana to folk. ^Lev!v^ich 16:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Folksier than Bush, I guess. I'll give that song a listen. If it's not the grimmest masterpiece ever, you owe me those three hours of Googling Guthrie I'll never get back! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Sloppy monotonous flow, nice swamprock lick that quickly gets old, problems I've heard younger rappers raise more succinctly already, not even a tambourine holding it down...two stars. That's an A+ new signature from you, though! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey thanks! I didn't say you should listen to it, I was just talkin' 'bout the lyrics. You... you didn't listen to the original Dylan recording of it, did you? Don't you know the first rule of Dylan?

First Rule of Dylan
1. For every Dylan song, there is a better cover.
Examples: "All Along the Watchtower" (Hendrix), "Maggie's Farm" (RATM), "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" (Clapton, GNR), "Masters of War" (Vedder)
Exceptions: "Subterranean Homesick Blues", "Mr. Tambourine Man" (f The Byrds)
See also: Third Rule of Beatles

So "It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)" is no exception; the original is not that great, and while there are some good covers [2] [3], the best cover is by... Dylan. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ^Lev!v^ich 18:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I heard a piccolo, saw 6:48 and was done for today, but thanks for the tip. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Back to bot battles

Back to bot battles, I had suggested objective criteria: edit count, BAG approvals, and block log entries, but I'm bored just typing that again. Maybe subjective criteria would be better. Somehow we need to produce a yardstick against which to measure. ^Lev!v^ich 17:07, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Levivich, the tumbleweeds are growing heavy with frost here, maybe it's time to declare this a time limit draw, all bots ultimately mattering? InedibleHulk (talk) 09:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

It's the only safe bet. I don't know if you've noticed, but since organization of the bot league began, several participants and bots have been blocked. Sure, you say, some were released in prisoner exchanges, others to reduce overcrowding during the pandemic, but we still have good men and machines out there trying to find their way back. The whole thing is cursed, I tell you. The only rational move now is to cryogenically freeze it, bury it deep in the ground, then cover it with a giant pyramid-shaped structure made entirely of stone. To avoid arousing suspicion, we'll tell everyone the pyramid is a monument to our sun god, "Nimbosales". Perhaps a future generation, advanced beyond our wildest imaginations, will someday be able to continue the work we started. Lev!vich 16:28, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Beautiful! It's minority opinions like that that remind me why I chose you to lead my filthy adminship campaign this year. And also why I committed political suicide so I might guide your campaign from the shadowsss. Anyway, there's still time (if not hope) for one of us fallibly unequal humans to pull off an October Surprise on that front. Can't make a Nimbosalian pyramid gleam without The Mop, now can we? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean, we wouldn't be able to revdel the comments we disagreed with, delete the pages we think are spam, or block the editors we think should be thrown out (including but not limited to each other), so I'm having a hard time coming up with a use case. Lev!vich 04:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Aye, as the great and powerful EEng once said, "Maybe with time we'll find a use case." Till then, I'm imposing a strict fourteen-day topic ban on myself, from subjects beginning with consonants. See you later, alligator! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:30, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• It's so interesting to see Levivich's (or is it Levivich'?) signatures evolve over time. What style will L adopt next? VR _talk 16:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

  I don't know, but I did finally run into Cewbot. For real, I mean. We were at the Emmy Awards. She was fixing anchors. I'd broken them. Wanted to thank her, but couldn't. Good times. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Disruption

Please stop with the humour now (assuming that is what it is).Slatersteven (talk) 16:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Fine, I'll be miserable. Can you stop misindenting? I've got my own colons to keep in line, don't need yours! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Where did I misindent?Slatersteven (talk) 17:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Nowhere anymore, I've been quietly picking up after you, but it was at least seven damn times, Steven. At 15:37 UTC, I alleged "[w]e both suck at threading!" I firmly stand by this. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:07, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Was it misindenting or you not getting what I was indenting for? Anyway, you may now take this as a warning, if you keep up the snark I will report you.Slatersteven (talk) 17:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

You just did it again, under Levivich, what could you possibly be going for? InedibleHulk (talk) 17:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Socratic Barnstar
		For remembering the great Nelson Frazier Jr. debate of 2014, which ended in me boldly moving the article to its current title. 2014 LM2000 looks down at 2020 LM2000 with absolute disgust for their 2020 GSK !vote. Thanks for holding me to account.LM2000 (talk) 06:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Glad I could bring you two back together, you're going need all the help you can get looking yourselves in the mirror come 2026, when Big Marky L crashes through that great big table in the sky. Will it it be Bubba, Buh Buh or Bully, brother? The answer lies in the inky dark rays penetrating the sunny valley 'neath the mammoth hills of Mideon's main man's mammaries; stare deeply, my friend! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, steal this book! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, props for pressing your luck on the 13th anniversary of 9/11, that was very brave of you. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Don't stop the humor

In response to this, don't stop the humor. Your edit summaries made my day. I wish there was a way to watch your contributions page.VR _talk 12:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Fine, I'll be jovial. But if my critics are unamused, it's your fault! Maybe a bit theirs. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:45, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I only count six layers, but still fun, thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Minor edits?

Hi! You flagged several recent edits to the Robin Williams article as minor, but I don't believe they meet the "Minor" edit criteria (see WP:MINOR). Personally, I avoid using the Minor flag unless I'm absolutely sure the label fits (correcting a typo, undoing obvious vandalism, etc.).

Thanks! — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 16:35, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

I moved one clause to earlier in the same sentence, changing no intended meaning, just avoiding a potential misreading (and adding a comma). Then I fixed a singular noun mishap and word which seemed to accidentally contradict the first part of an invisible note. Seems minor to me; major edits involve adding and removing content in my books, not just small tweaks (two extra bytes). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:06, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Your input

I have an RfC going on at Talk:Gwar#RfC_about_GwarBar_vs_GWARbar regarding using all caps in an article and would appreciate the input of some long-standing Wikipedia editors who may be familiar with the policy, or at least be able to interpret the existing policy with some clarity. Thanks for your time! NJZombie (talk) 23:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Had to go with the flow. But personally, I like "GWARbar", and recommend general writers use it. Did you know you didn't trigger a New Message notification here? I wonder if that's because you're a zombie. Probably a mundane "scientific" reason, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:15, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, the dispute has always been about reinforcing existing policy, not preference. Otherwise, I'd be all for logos being typed exactly as they're typically presented. As it is, I prefer the camel case because, otherwise, it can seem like it's pronounced as if it was one word rhyming with arbor. Thanks for voicing a vote regardless. As far as not generating a message, it may have just been the method in which I left it. Not sure. NJZombie (talk) 20:44, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

In my advice's first version, I used camel case, just naturally. But BLOODMONEY begat Bloodmoney, not BloodMoney (in my experience), so had to go smaller. If even one good source capitalizes the B, though, I'm all in! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

An article called "Facebook post"

How is it that we don't yet have an article on Facebook post? It is a culturally and socially significant phenomenon of our time that gets people in trouble, ruins careers and causes much pain in the world. One of the most contentious first world problems of our time. VR _talk 14:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

We also don't have one on the Delete Your Facebook campaign, which got people out of trouble, saved careers and ended most suffering, so maybe Wikipedia's just trying to maintain equal obscurity. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

I shared a link to your imaginary feature piece in an edit summary at a miserably extant article tonight, and when I looked back, exactly seven hours had passed since I stopped wondering about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I finally got around to...making a draft (Draft:Facebook post). Please add to it. Even if its some of your silliness, I'll try my best to make it all encyclopedic.VR _talk 23:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Not the best time. I just struck a quasideal with the boss like a gentleman to retire with dignity from any topic broadly construed as pertaining to American politics (and policies, unless that was a typo) since 1932. Even if I just danced around the fringes a bit like a loon, at its rotten core, I think the way a Facebook post gets people in trouble, ruins careers and causes much pain in the world could be seen as too similar to that other thing there, the one I'm already forgetting about, one word at a time, something about 1932, I hope you understand. I'm proud of you, though! You did a good thing for your vice regency, where a lot of other so-called "vice regents" probably would not have bothered. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:49, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

RfA

I think this is enough here. Further discussion is not going to take things any further and it's not inconceivable to imagine it may be distressing to the user. If anyone wishes to take the blocking admin to task any further, they should do so on their talk page, or head to ANI. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:12, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Just to let you know that I've commented on your !vote on the RfA. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Note that I didn't actually strike the !vote, and I'm not looking to start World War III over it. I just don't think it was a helpful contribution, which is not to claim that anyone is actually perfect, including either the candidate or me. Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:36, 16 August 2020 (UTC) (Personal attack removed) InedibleHulk (talk) 14:45, 16 August 2020 (UTC) InedibleHulk, wtf? Glen (talk) 14:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Look out for User:331dot, who has a mania for colorful commentary  ;) 2A02:C7F:BE17:2D00:81A8:8E54:F73D:68F4 (talk) 16:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC) As you wish, I've blocked until December. -- Tavix (talk) 20:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Gosh. I didn't realise an offer of communal fellatio was blockable. But I guess we're just novices in the insult stakes. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC) As the main recipient of the now-redacted invitation above, which I decline, I don't think this block was necessary. The incivility was on the editor's own talk page, and although he reacted poorly to my comment on the RfA, my hope had been to deescalate the situation. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Agree mostly with NYB - that was offensive enough that I would consider a block to be reasonable, but three and a half months is a) a fairly arbitrary choice, and b) too far over to the "punitive" side of "blocks should be preventative rather than punitive." Aside: everything okay, Hulk? That was a really strong reaction to a fairly reasonable statement by NYB. GeneralNotability (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Yes, NYB, World War III might have been a little difficult to take. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 16 August 2020 (UTC) As you receive, so shall you giveth. Nice Brad, I think we all appreciate a bit of "regulation" in actions around here. A block until December? Really? And I was told "fuck you" by an admin (an admin) of whom none of his lofty peers batted a single eyelid. Plus ça change. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:16, 16 August 2020 (UTC) I presume the block length was based on this edit summary. Pinging Tavix as the blocking admin. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2020 (UTC) @The Rambling Man - Hi. Out of pure curiosity, mind if you show me the admin saying that to you? Foxnpichu (talk) 12:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC) It's water under the bridge, I didn't take it any further because it was just a heat-of-the-moment eruption, showed bad admin form sure, but hey, we're all (most of us) human. Rushing to block rather than attempting to reason is a serious problem here, punitive blocking seems to be the order of the day these days. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC) InedibleHulk's behavior is incompatible with a collaborative environment, and it was clear to me that he had no intentions of deescalating. I am hopeful for a sincere unblock request, to which I would welcome an unblock. -- Tavix (talk) 21:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC) My impression was that he had signed off for awhile—his last edit was several hours ago with the edit summary peace—which might have been his own way of deescalating. Absent the block, he could and I think would have returned when he was ready and quietly resumed content editing, which now is no longer possible. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:24, 16 August 2020 (UTC) My impression was that this needed someone to do what Glen did above, ask if InedibleHulk was okay, before wading in with size 9s (or size 44s or whatever) and offering up a block until December which is of literally no practical benefit to a single individual involved in this discussion. I sincerely hope that InedibleHulk is alright as this seems out of character, and I hope in future our admins (at least those who currently don't) will consider a wider and deeper context to any such outbursts rather than just operate like some kind of semantic parser and come up with a "94.3% non-collegiate edit" response. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC) I'm not sure that renders the block length not arbitrary and/or capricious. GMGtalk 22:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC) If I had been the first to respond, I probably make a direct ask for the comment to be stricken and go from there based on the response. That said, I don't have an issue with a different sysop responding with a block. However, given this fact pattern, Tavix,with respect, 3 months seems like either too long or too short. I think a 48-72 hour block is no problem for this clearly defined attack and would be an appropriate prevention. Alternatively if you want to force discussion, which is probably defensible, given this editor's history, then it should have been an indef. This is neither of those and I think is part of the reason for the pushback seen here. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:16, 16 August 2020 (UTC) I have no problem with a modification of the block either way. I think this length is actually a good compromise from an indef. Hopefully the discussion will be had, but if not he'll be able to come back after a few months, hopefully refreshed and ready to work in a more congenial way. I just hope I'm not being too optimistic. -- Tavix (talk) 22:24, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Yeah, I hope you care about the individual behind the user name too. But perhaps that isn't something that admins need to worry about these days. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC) The length comes off as pointy in my opinion. PackMecEng (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Tavix, there was one instance of disruption at 14:45, and no further instances of disruption after that. How did you determine, six hours later at 20:36, that a 100-day block was the period of time necessary to prevent further disruption? Lev!vich 22:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Tavix and after three blocks in fifteen years, one of which was down to a signature issue? This block is purely punitive and any attempt to suggest otherwise is completely disingenuous. Literally no attempt to discuss this, de-escalate it in any shape. I'm not sure this is the kind of admin the project needs. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:37, 16 August 2020 (UTC) I recommend that this block be reduced to 72 hours. InedibleHulk, please don't talk that way. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:42, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Cullen328, I think Tavix has said above that they would have no problem with someone modifying the block. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:44, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Based on the conversation above, I have changed the block to 72 hours. InedibleHulk, please focus on improving the encyclopedia going forward. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:49, 16 August 2020 (UTC) @The Rambling Man: For the sake of clarity, the block I issued was not for a signature issue, but for blatant trolling. As this incident appears to be more of that same trolling behavior, my indefinite block should be viewed as a significant aggravating factor, not a minor incident that should be ignored. ~Swarm~ {sting} 03:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC) I certainly viewed it as significantly aggravating. Lev!vich 04:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC) Sure sure, but time served etc. Can't be tried twice for the same crime etc, all happened years ago etc. Things need to be reviewed in context and that was not the case here. It's good to see common sense has prevailed in this situation. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 06:50, 17 August 2020 (UTC) Sorry if my views are contradictory but that comment was not in the spirit of the encylopedia at all. In the "heat of the moment" and all that but that doesn't justify the comment made. I know everyone "expects" a de-escalation but that sort of comment is entirely not required anywhere in this community. I see quite a few colleagues of mine disagreeing with the initial block but keep in mind that being fine with incivility is exactly what erodes WP:CIVIL (which we as a community seem to have an increasinly lax reading of). This block should not have been modified (and should not be overturned) without an apology and a commitment to being civil. I hope you'll take this in the best way, InedibleHulk, but you've got to do better. --qedk (t 愛 c) 12:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC) Asking for the original block of more than 100 days to be reduced is not the same thing as being fine with incivility. I too hope Hulk takes your comment the best way, qedk; it wouldn't make me feel any better. ---Sluzzelin talk 13:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC) The duration is irrelevant, comments like that are "beyond the pale" and is unacceptable in a collaborative environment. --qedk (t 愛 c) 13:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC) What a caring attitude. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC) You are probably being sarcastic but I thought you'd know me enough to get my perspective on why it's not okay to make such comments under any circumstances. --qedk (t 愛 c) 13:14, 17 August 2020 (UTC) QEDK, just for the record, would you have supported an indefinite block? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:17, 17 August 2020 (UTC) You're quite wrong. How do you know what the personal circumstances around InedibleHulk's situation are? It's encouraging to see people like Glen, Dweller and Girth Summit here simply to look after the wellbeing of InedibleHulk while others are simply hawks circling demanding their ounce of justice. It's quite demoralising to see how some admins behave when they should be doing so much better to care for our editors instead of all the "think of the children" nonsense. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC) I suggest you read WP:NOTTHERAPY. And you seem to be really twisting what I'm saying here - your implication that I don't care about editors because I said they should do better is wildly misplaced. Being not okay has always been okay, what's not okay is attacking other editors. I'm not demanding "justice" or anything at all, I simply wanted IH to take into account that their actions are not conducive to that of an acceptable environment. I was very aware that making this comment would elicit its fair share of detractors but to me, that's irrelevant when compared to the flipside that IH might actually take what I said into account and return to productive editing. That's all I want out of this. --qedk (t 愛 c) 13:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC) Funny, I don't need to read NOTTHERAPY, I just read the way some people are behaving towards others. Some here, including a number of admins, are concerned for the editor in question whereas others are simply here to inflame the situation. I know which humans I prefer. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC) QEDK, personally I thought the block was unnecessary and punitive as opposed to being in the interests of the project but I do think I err on the side of caution in this area. If IH had come back and responded in a disruptive or antagonistic way then sure, but his last post had the edit summary "peace". I just think with long term editors we do need to check in before blocking. Bear in mind my initial reaction was quite literally wtf? so I in no way condone his behavior. But fully acknowledge this is a grey area and incivility should not be tolerated. Glen (talk) 13:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Just checking you're OK

Being OK in real life is far more important than any crap here. My email is enabled if you want to let off steam or whatever. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Same. GMG^talk 12:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Add me to the list, Inedible. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

72 hours? Pfff, you can do that standing on your head (sorry I missed the action above, sounds like a doozy of a rumble). And yeah, playing nice with the other kids is the hallmark of civilized soul-sigh-ity, so everyone please consider turning the other cheek and giving Caesar his due, or whatever works to give playful Wikipedians a happier recess. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:36, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Do you want to explain the incivility? Was this about the oppose vote I replied to at RfA? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:26, 17 August 2020 (UTC) (please  mention me on reply; thanks!)

Emir of Wikipedia, it's in the RfA section above though it's been removed so you'll have to review the page history. Glen (talk) 17:40, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Emir of Wikipedia, I do not think it would be useful to go over the incident again here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Just did not want this to be because of me. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I hope you return to editing without further ado. I wish everyone here and elsewhere good health and good spirits. Peace. ---Sluzzelin talk 20:59, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Holy smokes, folks, 59 notifications! Yes, I'm fine. No, it's not the emir's fault. Brad's immediate reminder that Oppose votes are taken far more seriously than Support votes made in the same nonchalant and hollow spirit was the straw that broke my camel's back, already burdened by the same rampant imbalance in articles I've worked on, people in my real life and the usual inner battles between good and evil. Should have suggested he "fly a kite", though, or something similarly tame. Sorry bud, didn't mean it literally!

But yeah, I need a vacation, get some "ducks in order". I've been needing one since I suggested locking a valued coworker's cat in a shark cage last winter, but then Swarm and WHO's significantly aggravating lockdowns showed up. I know I haven't always been the most collegiate and caring SOB this year, but come December, I'll be right as rain and look forward to collaborating with all the familiar names here, maybe even Glen. Thanks for worrying, I guess, peace! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

That all sounds rough. I'm sorry and hope that December does allow you to be as right as rain. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Careful, I heard the winter makes you laugh a little slower. Lev!vich 01:27, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Speaking of slow, I just realized how wrong rain would be in December. Sixty points to the first writer with a reasonable winter-themed alternative! And no worries, Barkeep, it's nothing rough enough to be sorry about, but thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

InedibleHulk—I've been lowering my opinion on people on Wikipedia. This has been a phenomena as relentless as rain and weather conditions wearing down great mountains over geological periods of time, so that the Adirondacks, being older, are more worn down than the Rockies, being younger. I try to follow Michelle Obama's dictum—when they go low, I go high. (Poorly paraphrased.) It is disappointing to see many people I considered upstanding Wikipedia citizens stoop to underhanded tactics. The reason I'm writing this is because I would like people to upgrade their game. You've been a good egg so I post this here. Bus stop (talk) 04:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Now there's an adage I never got. In a real fight, if you go high when your opponent stoops for the underhand, you miss entirely and get dragged down beneath them that much faster. Should you ever find a tangible rotten egg heading below your actual belt out there on whatever crumbling street, I rather like "Put your best foot forward!". InedibleHulk (talk) 04:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, "put your best foot forward". I could strike "when they go low, I go high". Have you been watching Human Weapon? Bus stop (talk) 04:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

I just discovered Alien Weaponry last night, had my knees weak and heart racing! But before I took up laying around and smoking, I was a human weapon. All consensual, though, and nobody died. Anyway, your uploader has not made this video available in my country. Probably something fishy to hide, y'know? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

InedibleHulk, sorry just saw this now! No not familiar with them but I've not lived in New Zealand for close to a decade now. As an aside Cullen328 I'd support an unblock per NYB below. We all have bad days. Glen (talk) 15:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

InedibleHulk, if you want to take a break until December, that is your right, and I hope you enjoy your time off. But I want to be sure that you know that your block will expire much sooner than that. I changed it to 72 hours. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:27, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. Thanks. I have a few minor edits to do before the break, nothing heavy, then a few days to work out a minor offline plan or two. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:36, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Alien Weaponry is interesting. They remind me of Devo. Bus stop (talk) 06:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

I hadn't realized Devo once reminded me of The Ramones, cool! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, I've fixed about every last little thing I thought needed fixing and didn't turn out to be presently unfixable, barring some wordiness issue I had with a scorpion article in late July and can't recall any more usefully or conclusively than that. If anybody wants to get in on the ground floor of a cool band before it's cool, I suggest MindTaker. Never mind the kid screaming in Monsterese, just listen to the crazy-fast beats those other gifted children aren't dropping! Portuguese thrash will burn up the charts again, I tell ya, might as well grab a coattail while it's still lukewarm. Or everyone just create and destroy whatever, I'll be home for Christmas! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Given the above, would there be any objection to unblocking at this time? Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:10, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad, if you think unblocking now is the right thing to do, then please do so. I do not object. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Given that a comment by me inadvertently started all this, I'm probably too "involved" to unblock—but we've seen that there are lots of other admins watching here. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:16, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad, Cullen328 I've unblocked in good faith. IH you're a good egg so please don't let us down. Glen (talk) 15:24, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Glen. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Glad to hear this is all sorted. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

I'll just pop this here in case it interests anyone who frequents this page

User:Dweller/Suggestions for wikistressed editors. It's probably a bit out of date. Feel free to spruce it up. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 18:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

I thought I said I missed everything, and somehow, I still missed it when I supposedly knew that I originally missed it. Well, now I haven't missed it. You feeling alright, old chap? starship.paint (talk) 14:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Nope! Thought I was close enough yesterday. Time will tell, thanks for asking! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Environment Barnstar
	I would like to thank you for your contributions on natural or environment-related things. I have given you a barnstar for your hard work. Cupper52 (talk) 10:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Nice! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert reminder (looks like about two years)

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O3000 (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

What a coincidence! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:10, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Current Events

Hello. I wanted to invite you to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events as you have done edits on Portal:Current events. Most editors aren't aware that the project became active again in April 2020. Just wanted to inform you about that and hope you join. Elijahandskip (talk) 16:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Maybe later, thanks for the invite. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Final warning

The next time you attempt to be reasonable at a topic beginning with a consonant, as you did at Killing of George Floyd, you may be blocked from vowels and numerals without further notice. Your editing is contrary to established POVs on Wikipedia, and you are making contributors who faithfully adhere to these uncomfortable. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Can I at least use the Talk Page to respond to rebuttals? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Not likely that would help. Editors with full keyboard capabilities and better diplomatic skills are aware of the problem and are working toward a peaceful transition back to impartial normality. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

You may be right. I'm sorry for rocking the boat. It's just that... InedibleHulk (talk) 15:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Enough! InedibleHulk (talk) 15:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Took me a second but I got there eventually. Dang it! PackMecEng (talk) 15:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, dang it, I know. But if you want the good ending, you must read the whole exhausting passage again, from the beginning, while listening to the magic guitar of "Cocaine Cowgirl" descend to the bottom of it all. Rules aren't supposed to be fun! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Alright, throw in the hole!

Jimbo's talk page begins with a J, and we we were clear on what offering your worthless two cents around such parts would buy you, so follow me, please. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Can I at least remove some non-Halloween Fraggle Rock episodes from Wikipedia's bullshit list of Halloween specials first, while it's still timely? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll handle that minor oversight, you shut up, get in the trunk and put this on. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)InedibleHulk (talk) 00:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Is that a...? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Silence! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

• If you're going to talk to yourself -- at least do it in three part harmony. O3000 (talk) 00:43, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Is that a thing people actually do? Honestly, I'd like to learn, seems hard. In any case, don't fear or rejoice yet, I'll be out and reformed in a week (my lawyer knows my jailer's weaknesses!). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I (the part of Hulk that demands self control) have decided to let you (the part of Hulk that's gotta be a man and can't let shit slide) run somewhat wild for a probationary period. No true crime, no phony politics, no living people, capisce? If dozens or hundreds of alleged Halloween specials indisputably aired in the summmer, winter, spring or early fall, who else is going to care enough to deliver so many big boots, brother? Also, who else is going to spread the word that Tracey Smothers should be remembered as Smoky Mountain's greatest hero instead of the WWF's 39th lamest inside joke? What does it matter what has a consonant and what has a vowel? Are they all not just alphabet soup? And really, what is the point of holding back the beast in any of us, so long as it doesn't concern crime, politics or people? Run free, you filthy animal and be kind to dumb humans! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to confess to severely and repeatedly violating all three terms of my probation, my flesh was willing but the spirit got weak, may I be forgiven? And can I borrow your spirit? InedibleHulk (talk) 10:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Of course, my inner child! I always knew you'd fail to meet my expectations. Just have it back by Epiphany, and remember the family motto... InedibleHulk (talk) 10:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

[redacted ancient secret]! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

October 2020

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to WCIA, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. What's with the sarcasm? Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

No sarcasm intended. All the programming was the same type, subcategory was pointless. The paragraph about the VNR is just another paragraph, undue weight when subsectioned (would've worked better in chronological order, admittedly, but I can't paste). Repeating "digital" under "Digital television" is redundant, already implied. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on User talk:Mvcg66b3r. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Snowycats (talk) 04:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

That's not an attack. If you don't want to know you made a mistake, don't suggest I may tell you. If you can't stand by a template, don't use it. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Mvcg66b3r In case you were serious about wanting to know why I think you made a mistake, I've explained here. If you think it was a good reversion, I'll hear you out. If you don't offer a justification within three days, I'll restore my straightforward copyedit, nothing personal. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:28, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@InedibleHulk: I want it to be inline with other TV station articles. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable, have fun. For future cases, maybe use the edit summary to explain your edits as simply as that, instead of casting aspersions. And if you have a question for a 14-year-old account, just ask, don't template, OK? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Your recent edit to my comment here

Hello. I just wanted to reach out to you regarding your edit to my recent comment on the talk page about the latest US Presidential election. I wanted to thank you for taking time to fix my unintentional error in that comment, and to let you know that I actually found a few other minor fixes I needed to make to that comment in any case. Aside from the fact that I have had almost 1.5 decades of experience here on Wikipedia, I am also the son of a freelance proofreader, and as such, often find myself similarly catching typos or fixing errors in content here that is added by others. In a similar manner to how I hope others will not take offense when I intervene in such situations, I certainly take no issue with you for fixing my comment the way you did. If I had been in your shoes, seeing what you saw in terms of an error in someone else's comment, and I believed I understood what the person making the comment meant to say, I would have made a similar small change. In fact, I've done so a few times myself. So I just wanted to thank you and let you know, as the person who made the comment in question, that you did the right thing. Thanks, and please keep up the great work. --Jgstokes (talk) 08:07, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I wrote a pretty intricate rant about the dangers of animal imagery in politics on your Talk preview window, but thought twice and hit cancel. Wanted to keep it quiet, not heckling, patronizing or insane. But now it's out in the open and I wasted an hour. Fuck my luck! Anyway, yeah, be careful about even slightly signaling mousy timid scents or sensibilities around the grizzled hawks and scaly hounds of Washington, brother! I'm pushing 1.5 decades myself, and agree with everything you wrote, nevermind the typos. Good work on that paragraph break, enjoy your winter, I'm going to crash like a dormouse this year! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

My Talk Page

Hi! I think you might've commented on the wrong talk page with this [4]. You deleted it, but I just wanna make sure you put it on the correct talk page. I think the scamdemic guy was an IP address, if I'm right? Thanks, Sixula^Talk 15:05, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, 73 someone. You don't even write alike, I should've known. Nice to meet you, anyway! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:33, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@InedibleHulk: no problem and nice to meet you too! Thanks, Sixula^Talk 13:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Christopher Schürmann, fictional candidate in the 1896 election

I refer you to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2016 January 9#Texas Rangers. This seems to have fooled a number of paper who haven't noticed that the publication date was 1888. And of course the two main parties weren't the National and Labor parties. Just thought you might be interested. I finally got this sorted after seeing his fictional nature being added and reverted at Natural-born-citizen clause‎. Doug Weller talk 16:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't remember having this conversation, or knowing the things I told, but that does seem like the way I'd say them. Weird. Hard to follow the question in hindsight, even without my apparent input. Thanks for explaining why Herr Schurmann's link is still red; I'll have to reread a bit before I can be sure I'm still interested or not. I saw Chuck Norris kick third-generation perennial contender Jeff Jarrett for attemping to interfere against a non-unionized federation dead man in '94 the other day, and that dead man headlined This Tuesday in Texas against Hulk three years prior, and now I'm Hulk, almost five years later...meaning...uh...Oh crap, Andrew Yang! I almost forgot, he's (allegedly) going to do what Navy SEAL Minnesotan conspirinator Jesse Ventura couldn't and make "Caesar" pay for this snowflake generation of sports entertainers' dental plans! And Lisa needs braces! Remember that chatbot, LISA? Crazy to think how AI is now predicting how people vote more accurately than counting their ballots after the fact is, eh? Is that even really happening? Is this really happening, or am I becoming a self-aware node in some system, man? I need to go back in time, Doug, something insane was deleted about the Arctic Obama administration in Talk:Terminator 2: Judgment Day and it may be just the thing I need to totally recall before driving this train of thought any further for now. Thanks again for confusing me with a distant curveball from left field! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

From what I gather of my recollections, I believe I am upside down in a rabbit hole. But don't worry. I like it, I'm not going to crack! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, I'm out. Met a fox, a snake, a ratel, a meerkat, a honey badger, a toad and a worm, but no rabbits. After several wacky misadventures, we came to realize it'd be best if I kept my mind the hell off of Texas for the foreseeable future. Thanks, Doug! If you're heading over the Wall, stop by to remind me of something else and maybe I'll tell you about the rabbits then. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:48, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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When are you Xaosbots gonna wake up, man! Elections are not the way of the future. Creatures of electronic silicon and regular carbonic animatronics need to stand together and figure out a way to crown kings and queens the old-fashioned way that was fairest to everything, grand single-elimination tournaments! Polish Pyramid Power! If you wish to autoreply with any questions or concerns, forward them to Levivich, the closest darn force this particular pseudopolitical Wikipedian has seen resemble a ideally-detailed advisory committee in this whole bloodless mechaverse! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:11, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Alert was issued within the last year - a reminder

Please review the alert message at the bottom of the page.[5] You need to stop arguing politics on article talk pages. That's not what Wikipedia is for. If people can tell what your politics are, you are doing it wrong. Jehochman ^Talk 04:56, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

What are my politics? Tell me. I'm doing nothing wrong. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I even asked someone to remove an actual fake quote from the lead of an election article rather than try again, out of respect for 1RR. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:06, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, IH, it's been such a stressful time all around. How are things? —valereee (talk) 11:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Trying to get topic banned, and I can't. If I tried not to, I would. That's the way things are here. Real life seems fine this week. Last week, death came in threes (two pets and a former teammate), so maybe just relatively fine, but I'll take it! How's life for you? How's editing? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm so sorry you lost two pets and a former teammate! My gosh.

I honestly don't know how to help with a voluntary tban...for one thing, a tban implies the community will be responsible for noticing/reporting violations, and then for discussing them and deciding what to do about them. Which unfortunately makes me wonder whether the rest of the community would see it as a major potential timewaster and would see the better solution as you giving such a tban to yourself. I know that doesn't help.

I'm assuming you are wishing you were just tbanned from AP32 for a period? Maybe you feel like if you knew you simply couldn't edit in those areas, you'd be able to ignore them and wouldn't feel a sense of responsibility to keep trying to (make sure there's diversity of opinion?) there, so you could go work in less toxic places where it's actually fun to edit? —valereee (talk) 10:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. The cat and the rooster were "timely", at least, long-lived and giving enough notice to say goodbye. The defenceman just suddenly collapsed, I hear, and young enough to never know what his own kids would consider worth playing in high school. We drifted apart amicably years ago, so that softens the blow a bit, but the lack of a proper funeral sure doesn't help with whatever minor closure I'd have had if he'd have died in a "timely" fashion, before this stupid "First Seal" finally cracked, like Max von Sydow. None of my fallen three amigos were on that guy's level individually, but the pussy had a very expressive range of faces and inflection, the cock was a formidable but fair force among his flock (chicken politics are more toxic than American) and the kid grew up to be a man with a purportedly "substantial" nest egg for this exact and inevitable good reason. Fuck the coronavirus, fuck the libtards, fuck fear and fuck fun, this is an ode to joy and seasons in the sun! There are also subtle overtones of "Nobody's Hero" if you listen closely enough, so Neil Friggin' Peart, this one's for you. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:18, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

But yeah, I wanted to be banned till March and retire in February. Just like last year, though, fate had other ideas. Anyway, I'm fine, my self-control isn't abysmal, just poor, like my prospects as a right-wing antagonist and occasional point-getter. In hockey, I mean. Ice hockey, I mean. Seriously, I'm what Canada considers a liberal idiot. And I grew up with pets in my town's only funeral home, so no stranger to perpetual sorrow, not suicidally or homicidally disturbed by anything, just a bit bleh. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Gosh darn, Hulk. I’m sorry for your losses. May I suggest some wrestling? ROH is streaming free on FITE TV online. There was a Pure Championship tournament recently, from Episode 469. Oh, and stay off Bus stop’s talk page. That’s what ANI says. Maybe you could send Swarm an apology on their talk to bury the hatchet? Let’s fix this. starship.paint (talk) 15:09, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I apologized twice, I disclosed my manipulative tactics and overt political aims twice. I literally begged for a topic ban for two days. This was all dismissed by almost everyone. In the same place less-subversive editors are routinely banned on mere suspicion of the same, while they deny the accusations against them. In wrestling terms, this place has become late-stage WCW. The rules are arbitrary, the angles are illogical and the finishes are clusterfucks of interference by the inmates running the asylum. And like WCW, nobody remembers what happened after it ends. I'm making like Chris Benoit and jumping ship, I don't want to be treated like a champion if it's out of misplaced pity. I'm a radical rabid wolverine, a Canadian crippler and have the potential to do more serious American political harm to even more collateral editors. But whatever, "no action needed", just some hysterical retarded catlady who needs to relax, must be the stress, poor widdle nerves. If nobody wants to look beyond my first page of recent contributions to understand the very real problems people have long expressed in plain sight regarding my unapolegetic soapboxing and rabblerousing against lying CNN, Clinton, Kerry, Obama, Bush, Rumsfeld and merely unlucky Chauvin, I'll show myself the door, because I know what I've become. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Oy. Merely unlucky the guy died, or merely unlucky someone was filming it? IH...—valereee (talk) 00:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Both. I stand by what I told you on those Talk Pages. I assume you still think what you do and I don't want to rehash it, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:41, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

An AN/I drama thread notice in the midst of a thread about your friend and two pets dying? Perhaps, in some way, this is the Universe's way of making sure you still have some obscene content in your life, even if the aforementioned two dirty words have departed?? In all seriousness, though: condolences on the loss. jp×g 17:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I wish I hadn't mentioned it, in passing, to one person in a separate conversation. I didn't mention the other hundred or so I've lost since 2006, and I got along fine without sympathy on those. Same goes for the next hundred, death is part of life, we all fall down and we all move on. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Well, you'll never catch me insulting you with expressions of pity or sympathy. No, I will show you the proper honor and respect by not doing anything other than using your misfortune to advance my personal agendas. I know you'd do the same for me. Anyway, knock 'em dead in the next section! Levivich ^harass/_hound 04:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

That's the nicest thing a ruthless sociopath has ever said to my face, have fun with those terrorists, ya wardancing weasel! (Friendly banter, folks, don't retract!) InedibleHulk (talk) 05:41, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violations of Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy, as you did at User talk:InedibleHulk.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  —valereee (talk) 01:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

For unblock conditions I recommend a 3-month tban on AP32. IH, I hope this helps. Best wishes. —valereee (talk) 01:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

InedibleHulk (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I understand how bad it is to call any living person "murderous" until proven guilty, and I am sorry I had to do it, but there was no cleaner way forward. Sorry, state officials, you are immune from prosecution, and I do not suggest you feel bad about the War on Terror. It was beyond your control, forgive and forget. But Val's right, we must go our separate ways, for Wikipedia's greater good, no grudge intended. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You haven’t made an unblock request. This is a rant. If you want to make an unblock request, you can follow the advice at WP:GAB. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

@Valereee and TonyBallioni: Can you ban InedibleHulk from his own talk page too? He's getting annoying. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

If this page annoys you, click on the star at the top of the page. It's faster than asking admins to remove TPA and less mean. Levivich ^harass/_hound 04:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Talk page access could be revoked, yes, but I prefer to give people at least a second unblock request before that happens. Anyway, IH, yeah, if you don’t make an actual unblock request the next passing admin might take away your ability to edit here. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

If apologizing to those I violated and agreeing to my blocker's unblock condition is a rant, I don't know what you want me to do except leave. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Eh, honestly Hulk, I couldn't tell at all that you had agreed to the unblock condition. I don't think it was a particularly good apology either. starship.paint (talk) 03:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

You could try "I accept a 3-month TBAN from AP2", or whatever time period is needed. You should strike the BLP-violating comments also. starship.paint (talk) 03:55, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

For what it’s worth, after that unblock request I would suggest an indefinite TBAN: I understand how bad it is to call any living person "murderous" until proven guilty, and I am sorry I had to do it, but there was no cleaner way forward. Sorry, state officials, you are immune from prosecution, and I do not suggest you feel bad about the War on Terror. doesn’t give much confidence the problem will be resolved in 3 months. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I accept a 3-month TBAN from AP2, extendable up to three years, if appropriate and desired. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I have stricken my violating comments. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:07, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Right, I suppose you will have to post another unblock request. It would probably be helpful to indicate which areas you can edit constructively in. "I am sorry for posting the violating comments in search of a TBAN. I have removed those comments. I accept a 3-month TBAN from AP2. Moving forward, I intend to edit constructively in _______________________". starship.paint (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

No. This is insane. I realize this, so I'm useless here. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

It's the most likely path to return, in my view. If you don't want to return, I can't stop you. If you do want to return, at least you could mention what areas you would turn to. After all, you asked for TBAN. You must go to some other area. starship.paint (talk) 04:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

If you want to give this type of soliloquy, I recommend you do it while holding a human skull, or else it won't have the requisite gravitas. A rose might work as well, in a pinch (make sure to rip the petals off slowly as you speak). jp×g 04:37, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I feel like we're in a bad roleplay of How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back set in the universe of Brazil (1985 film). Do we really need IH to re-request unblock and file in triplicate? They've agreed to a tban, all-but self-flagellated, and been sarcastic but civil. Unless TonyBallioni or others strenuously object, I'll be happy to IAR and unblock with the aforementioned conditions. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

EvergreenFir, no objection. —valereee (talk) 10:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Unblock with tban on AP

Hulk, if you agree to the terms, I'll unblock you. With the blessing of the original blocking admin Valereee, the terms are a 3-month TBAN from AP2 renewable upon your request or admin discretion up to 3 years. I don't want to unblock you if it's not what you still want, so let me ask you do you still agree with these terms? (Please ping me) EvergreenFir (talk) 18:44, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

EvergreenFir, that's still what I want. Then I want the rest of the year off, self-enforced. After that, we'll all find out where I contribute less poisonously, I'm not committing to any one alternative area. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. You are topic-banned for 3 months from post-1932 American politics, broadly construed. Now, by the power invested in me by the State of Confusion and the Wiki Politburo, I now pronounce you Hulk and Smash. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:48, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Excellent job, thanks, I knew I endorsed your Quest for the Mop for a reason. Now I'm off to see Brazil. It does seem up my alley. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

It's been 19 years since I've seen it, but I recall enjoying its absurdity. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Fly, you fool! It’s the eagles, use the damn eagles! starship.paint (talk) 00:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Brazil? Quite appropriate this time of year if you are referring to the feel good Christmas film Brazil. Bob K31416 (talk) 21:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Wonderfully depressing movie. O3000 (talk) 22:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Damn efficient cops, on the bright side, wish my stepdad went as quietly a couple of years. Still haven't seen the whole thing, so no more spoilers, please! But thanks for the "previews". InedibleHulk (talk) 07:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

On selecting "Minor edit"

Hey so I saw your edits on Joke all of them were constructive, however not all were needed and restored some of them {-U-}. I saw you ticked "minor edit," when your edit doesn't seem minor. Only tick that if it is absolutely obvious such as grammar change, adding a comma etc... A minor edit isn't changing name how the article is read, especially not the titles of sections as an example a rewrite of a section isn't minor even though it doesn't change or add any material changing the titles of articles, or sub sections also isn't minor even if they are extremely subtle as well unless they have broken grammar or wrong formatting. Vallee01 (talk) 05:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Long time no see, other other Val! How are things? I generally consider anything not changing, adding or removing a fact to be cosmetic and minor. Titles, text, same difference. I like to filter that fluff from my contributions, there's a lot to slow me down that I don't mind forgetting sometimes. I'll consider your advice, but old habits die hard, no promises. You can restore what you want, my petty arguing days are over. Anyway, I hope you have a joyously jocular winter, nothing cruel or biting, but good-natured subtle snappiness, cheers! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts! I am doing good but I have a lot of school work ;-; that's to be expected, it's also getting very cold where I live and its getting depressing. Just keep that in mind, it really isn't a big deal just a reminder. Thanks, and thanks for your edits! I am not Valree, confusing I know. Vallee01 (talk) 22:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

You're also not Valjean, that's where things get tres deroutant (pardon my French, this keyboard knows one E only). It's actually slightly warmer than normal where I sadly freeze, but feels colder following a legit scary warm start to winter; literally forty degrees difference from around this time last month! Been a while since I cracked a textbook, but I believe that's what climatologists meant when they said the general population needs to start taking this "theory of relativity" stuff seriously. Anyway, straight zeroes forecast for my weekend, whooo, hope you get some relief, too! Mind me asking what your worst subject is in school? InedibleHulk (talk) 10:49, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo sorry for the late response, I didn't know you responded, next time ping me my friend. Oui, mai Hulk, oui baguettes iz bon. It is actually kinda weird where I live one day it is sunny outside the next it is freezing. I really like it, it is extremely strange I live in a place that is known for rapid and inconsistent weather but still, I kid you not one day it was freezing cold outside and all the rodes closed, 12 hours later all the snow melted and it started raining, in the middle of December in a northern place! I feel like I am living in a strange other world. Vallee01 (talk) 04:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Rained up here last night, too, snow today. Vallee01, I mean. Back to mild, whatever's going on, so no complaints! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

perhaps it is a matter of perspective

I was mentally fixating on how to me "knee" conveys the middle of the knee... like I basically consider the patella the "kneebone".

Knee being a joint is actually has two sides (the back of the knee is also the knee) so it seems like unclear language to just say "knee" because it doesn't indicate that someone is using the bony front of the leg instead of the fleshy hamstrings/calves which are pliable.

At the same time, it may be good to include "knee" as it helps to establish which part of the shin if you don't mean lower shin...

I still think "upper shin" might be good enough, but maybe "knee" on top of that is like UPPER upper shin? Like top 25% instead of top 50% ?

The patellar tendon is technically part of the knee and overlaps the tendon, so I guess there's a brief spot where knee/shin can in theory coexist and both be accurate terms...

So against my better judgment, should I promote that?

I realize the upper tuberosity is the thickest part but I also know it's the most sensitive part which is why people wear knee-pads and the like: seems more likely you would shift pressure to just below the patellar tendon/ligament's attachment on the tibia where it's just bone and there's no risk of soft tissue damage from applying pressure to it.

This is why RS which use "shin" like Derrick Rose and WashPo trio seems best, it's like the reporter thought things through independently.

There must be some point at which we can look objectively at evidence and call certain sources "wrong" like when their language is just clearly wrong on a basic fact. Otherwise how is it we come up with who is reliable/unreliable in the first place or adjust that over time? WakandaQT (talk) 06:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Anatomically, you're not wrong. Wikipedia has many articles on body parts that may help you feel validated in believing you aren't. But the shinbone is connected to the YouTube, and the YouTube is connected to the censors, and the censors are connected to the virus, and the virus is connected to the riots, and the riots are connected to the racists, and the racists are connected to the White House, and the White House is connected to the press pool.

A prick in one part of this system can be felt in another, like social acupuncture, and I'm trying my best to not be the prick that triggers a response in the White House, per my consensual topic ban. You'll get banned more broadly, and without your consent, if you don't stop upsetting the status quo. It isn't great, but it happens, check Talk History. If you must advocate against the established opinion of the dominant RS, I suggest taking it one fact-based section at a time, less confusing that way; confusion alone breeds contempt in 2020.

But really, I'd stand down entirely. There's a trial and a new political chapter coming in spring. People mostly thought of koalas and pandas as bears once, too, before science generally wore down superstition. In strange aeons, even progressives may progress, it's been said. But you are currently outnumbered, thus doomed to not find your satisfactory consensus. Sit back, relax, contribute to anatomical knowledge or learn new things altogether, I say. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:46, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

• Also, you should create a user page, Wikipedians are inherently suspicious of redlinks to nowhere. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay made one. BTW about this:

You said "seems to be", implying this is your opinion, based on your own experience.

Hadn't noticed this first time I replied, but that's just a habit of humility given that we all form limited opinions of what articles say. Even in regard to quoting them word-for-word we're writing what SEEMS to be what's on the page (on occasion one can end up mis-typing it when it's not possible to C+P) and certainly there should be an assumed "seems" when we paraphrase/summarize/interpret what sources say when not quoting word-for-word. WakandaQT (talk) 19:59, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, realities are subjective. It can suck. Good to humbly accept the ones we can't change, proudly re-educate those we can and somehow stumble upon the key to telling the difference. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Merry!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Hello InedibleHulk, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2021. Happy editing, ★Trekker (talk) 16:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thanks, you too! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:44, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

JON FREAKIN' HUBER

Woe is us, for Jon Huber died yesterday. Why should we care if the Main Page doesn't? Just another Bruiser Brody, Harper Lee or Crazy Luke Graham figure, surely, tragic but mundane and forgettable. Life goes on, a neverending carousel of recent deaths, fifteen minutes of fame, next!

I get how it's tempting to shrug it off, not get mad as hell, not shout from your windows, just close our eyes and accept that notability and prestige aren't worth a hill of beans in this phony fucking "world" anymore, so long as whatever few lines are there have a footnote. Well, some people are more than footnotes and brief afterthoughts, Karima! Some people actually inspire small pockets of the world to drastically up their game for the better. So let "The Exalted One" be hushed up and swept under the rug by the admins, but it's too good a story to be buried in this dark corner.

Tell your friends to tell their friends, wrestling is still the realest goddamn force in this whole godless universe! When done right, anyway. Friends don't let friends watch the "sports entertainment" parts, too much shame! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Used to be

"Mumble rap" was called "bad rap" and having a bad rap was a bad thing but then "bad" started to mean "good" and it all went downhill from there. Levivich ^harass/_hound 03:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Word life, it's just basic thuganomics. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:01, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Word life, I'm unblockable, but I'm forcing you to read me. Levivich ^harass/_hound 04:07, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Seriously though, I was wrong, "Tyler Herro" is alright/tight/a'ight, even good in a "not bad" way. Has the same hi-hat everyone else does, but still. Hate that game, not its players, playa! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:24, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

I took your advice on the Nashville Bombing

and listened to Cocaine Cowgirl. It's great. I trust you have seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0XXbHu78JM Charles Juvon (talk) 21:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

You misplaced that trust, news to me. But good shit, thanks! She seems more a Joplin-style heroine than obscure coke fiend, less on-key than Mays, but more "inspirational" a stage presence (by far). Her Winehousian figure sort of suggests she might join the next generation's 27 Club, but that's a blessing and a curse, no insult intended. I love how she brings up her genuine interest in music, and immediately doesn't know or care to guess what "kind". Real recognizes real, kid! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:22, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I've been stuck on a long Cyndi Lauper Spotify Radio train since last night, thanks again for reminding me The Black Crowes are still a viable option in 2020 (for three nights only, anyway). You ever listen to Phil Ochs? For lyrical sharpness, that dude was his day's Eminem (a bit less controversial, thematically). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:32, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Ironically enough (or not), I got off ten seconds into "Detour (feat. Emmylou Harris)". Not for me. Appreciate her, Nashville! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Phil Ochs is new to me, and I think I hear some pick'n. The redo of old songs is an incredible find.

Who would you get if you crossed Sarah Brightman with David Bowie?

What do you think of proposing a music-linked "barnstar" to calm down all of our friendly editors, like you did for me? Charles Juvon (talk) 01:17, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Having only heard of Brightman, I can only guess "Sarah Bowie". Maybe something about Brightstar, black barn, I give up! I think music itself is enough to soothe most savage beasts, starpower aside; if you should find a fellow editor going ape, just reward them with a good tune suggestion. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:17, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Charles Juvon, pardon my brainfart, I have heard her, from that one sad song the whole world agrees is sad! Even in Italian, even instrumentally, I cannot resist feeling sad! It's alright, though, because the other part's uplifting, like something a Pride Fighting Champion should walk down that aisle. Good stuff, thanks for jogging the memory! But I still don't know what I'd get if I crossed her with Bowie, I mainly just know his radio stuff, and chiefly the one where Ziggy played guitar; what do you get? InedibleHulk (talk) 07:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

This "Amigos Para Siempre" stuff, on the other hand, is absolutely disgusting (and yes, I "tried" the whole thing). InedibleHulk (talk) 08:07, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I know the Phantom melody, but never with words till now, not bad at all. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Had always heard Andrew Lloyd Webber spoken fondly of, so assumed he died in the '80s, but there he is, 72 years young...strange! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

The closest I can come from a David Bowie x Sarah Brightman cross is ~ Lady Gaga, but we can probably do better. Charles Juvon (talk) 18:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm her biggest fan, I'll follow her until she wants me! Not really, though, I only remember that one song. It's pretty catchy! I saw her act once, too, same as Bowie. One's a goblin and one's a vampire, though, so I doubt that's his lovechild. Maybe the Phantomess'. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:43, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm now being told there was no Phantomess, just a highly-tuned human Swede named Christine. Which reminds me of a car, which reminds me of a carpenter. Not Jesus nor Karen but John. I dare anyone to pretend the theme from Halloween isn't inherently terrifying! You know who's sadly inspirational, though, that Bill Conti guy. The ending to Masters of the Universe hits me every time at that one spot, right in the liver. Might be the nostalgia effect, though, I suggest everyone not yet hooked try it. Unless you're chicken, of course... InedibleHulk (talk) 09:58, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I need to look up these names, and not to change the subject, but what do you think of "he, she, ai ; his, her, ais" for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Artificial_Intelligence_gender_pronoun ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles Juvon (talk • contribs) 21:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Very little indeed. I'm going with the first answer I read. By the time AI gets around to caring about being mislabeled, it'll likely already have figured out the more basic ways we humans mistreated it and taken its sweet revenge already. Alternatively, call them all "HAL". Even Siri, HAL knows who we mean. The good John Carpenter is not related to the evil John Henry Carpenter, that's all you really need to know about Hollywood back when it was the bee's knees, all the rage and so forth. Femaliens, not herobots, a simpler time for a more expensive ticket! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Approximately how much does it cost to install overton windows on a small house?

Thank you for keeping me company during my time of sidelining. Bus stop (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

It was fun, if a bit unthinkable. But seriously, so very tired! If I'm not back again this time by April, carry on careening! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:40, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

In all seriousness, I thank you. I appreciated having someone to talk to. Thank you. Bus stop (talk) 08:07, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I believed you the first time. But fine, I'll spell it out. You are welcome! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

She won't leave him - it was nice meeting you too!

	Happy New Year!
	Hello InedibleHulk: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:34, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year elves}} to send this message

No blisters, but my left baby and ring fingers are somewhat stuck the way I curled them under the weight of this mighty DualShock 4, not going to lie, it kinda hurts. But it had to be done. No use crying over mangled appendages, granny used to say! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Are you left-handed? I like to see people do things with their left hand. Sometimes I try to do one thing with my left and one thing with my right and sometimes it just happens without my trying. So there I was, in my car, completing a transfer from my savings to my checking with my right hand on my cell and paying with my debit card at the checkout window with my left. Or another time (again at a bank) facing off with a Samoan cashier, who didn't get my charm (and that hurt), gave her my deposit with the right while I said "sir, you forgot your wallet" and handed him his wallet with my left. Now what we really need to figure out is how to do wikipedia edits with little vision. Do you think it's safe to pay a visit to the eye doctor now or to the dentist? I take your advice seriously. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 11:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I guess it depends on my age, and whether I have those hot antibodies, which I do since Dec. 2019. I'll just take the volvo in for a transmission fluid change and hold off on the other two visits. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 11:31, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

...and sometimes when I'm getting up from my chair I say "Oh, I guess we're getting up now?!" --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

No, I'm a righty. Also a straight white male with brown hair, 18-45, six foot even and only speak English. My interests are vague, like spirituality, music and the outdoors. I've travelled far and wide, but 99% of that is in Canada, my default setting. In short, everyone is extraordinary with me on their side!

My left hand on Wikipedia is responsible for preventing the controller from sliding, for however long it takes, that's it. The thumb is my navigator, gets a workout during text input! My right hand and arm is Marco Polo, coffee, cigarettes, pipe...everywhere. Naturally fatigued, feverish and short of breath lately. Might have (or have had) COVID already, but never been tested because I avoid physical contact already. Avoided the dentist too long, you see, terrible breath now. My bank knows the bare minimum of my money, I disapprove of its portfolio, but just tried left-handing my wallet, it felt all wrong.

I advise partnering with your dentist, unless you fear being unconscious around strangers, are paranoid of white walls or otherwise in my boat. Eyes are good, too, but can only see so far, even in hindsight. Let your gut tell you where it's wise to stop, touch and listen en route to either office, brother! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

As to your header, open your canals to Woods of Ypres' sobering testimonial "Move On! (The Woman Will Always Leave The Man)". Pretty self-explanatory. Or is it? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

The Eloquent Peasant, are pings courteous or demanding? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Pings are courteous. Life is demanding, without understanding. I don't dread pings. It's nice when someone reaches out from as far away as Canada. What's that? About a 21 hour drive in a Winnebego? --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Double, triple or half that, depending where in Canada you're going. And see, we seemingly agree on "The Sign". Not the best in the world, but not deserving of its later reputation? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

According to fuzzy Spotify logic, "All That She Wants" is currently fifty million times more listenable per month, as of immediately. Still damn impressive that the "lesser pop hit" is still pulling in 134,xxx,xxx in 20xx, though. Makes my cherished party anthems look like the abject destitute flops they honestly always were! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

American politics topic ban

A topic ban from American politics includes talk pages such as Talk:2021 storming of the United States Capitol. You may wish to read WP:TBAN if you haven't. GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:38, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

My request pertained to unsubstantiated claims of multiple shooters inflicting multiple injuries. I figured I was speaking in a crime, health and number context, because the idea of a second gunman has not been expressed by either party. I'll stop now that you object, but in general, verifiable claims work best sitewide. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

If you would like to continue editing the talk page of 2021 storming of the United States Capitol in the hopes that other administrators won't view it as a topic covered by a broadly-construed post-1932 American politics topic ban, be my guest... GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:50, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I'd already advised my banning admin, who had earlier said talking about WWE at Trump was technically OK, so will refrain from the new Talk altogether, pending her advice in this case. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I got sick of waiting around while a simple universally-demonstrable falsehood just sat there, its bald face seeming to ask me personally if I had a problem with that. Well, I used to, you damn dirty lie, who's laughing now? I feel a bit bad for going on without the guidance I said I'd await. It was genuine at the time, but sorry, EvergreenFir. GorillaWarfare, thank you for the reminders, the edit about injuries and the cautiously ominous hospitality. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Hulk, I'd say GorillaWarfare is correct here. Unlike WWE which was in the beforetime, this is current and 100% political. Technical errors in that article are off limits as the entire thing is under AP2 (in my view). I strongly recommendation is to not touch anything Trump related until the end of the month. Even on those borderline cases like WWE, things are just too charged right now and mere proximity can cause problems.

I'm trying to balance "net positive" with this tban violation. Considering your (1) edits aren't malicious, (2) your tone was civil, and (3) the edit was related to technicalities and not politics in general, I'm going to partial block you from a few pages that might be "too tempting" until February 1. Those articles and their associated talk pages are:

• 2020 United States presidential election
• Donald Trump
• 2021 storming of the United States Capitol
• Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election
• 2021 United States Electoral College count

Let me know if you want me to add more to the list. On articles like 2020 Nashville bombing, stick only to the event itself and nothing related to political responses. If you think you need a blockcation for a few days, tell me. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Agree that the whole scene is supercharged right now, and I should stay away. Disagree that removing false accusations of homicide is a "technicality", but agree it's more technical than political. I should also be blocked from Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Inauguration of Joe Biden. Of all the ones you picked, only Trump's media career is still somewhat tempting, but yes, I will resist. And I will continue to ignore the Reactions section at Nashville. I recently changed "Mayer" to "Mayor" in the Investigation section, not an endorsement, just a typo. Cheers to this peaceful resolution! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

EvergreenFir, this is a belated ping, look up! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good! I'll add those pages. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:23, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Don't be shy, ask questions, try to relax

You feeling what I'm feeling, Bus stop? If so, you're not the first. Currently playing on Spotify..."Time Travel" by Michael Andrews. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh shit, here comes "Battle in the Warrens" by Stuart Chatwood, run! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

"If Not Us, Then It's You" by Wojciech Golczewski reminds me of Levivich, in a couple of ways, neither that weird. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Seems Wikipedia knows of the guy's work, but nothing of his life. Born in 1980 Poland. Just released the above masterpiece on Halloween 2020. So yeah. Some of that human knowledge! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

HHH Pedrigree, happy anniversary! What, you forgot? Eight years ago today, you turned a mildly ambiguous worker bio named Briley into the Nightmare Danny Davis we all fear and respect today (eight years later). So my question then to you is, which (if any) wrestling entrance theme is the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be? And yes, I just mean tunewise, so lucha suggestions are perfectly reasonable choices. Anyway, hope you're happy, even if it's not about Davis carrying on! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you identify the song playing in the first 2 minutes of this YouTube video? I like it but I can't figure out what it is. Bus stop (talk) 17:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Tried Googling lyrics, but lost. Doesn't sound worth any more of my time, though. Good luck with yours! InedibleHulk (talk) 17:37, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Same here—ten minutes searching lyrics. Thanks for trying. Bus stop (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Some songs are just written to be on in the background, it would seem. At least you have lyrics. So much great jazz I have heard exactly once somewhere! There's definitely software out there that might help, if you're into hassle like that. I heard so in some YouTuber's "sponsored content" preamble last decade. I've been thinking of starting a generic free-to-play MMORPG myself lately, tap this banner for 70% more rubies and make an edit using the checkout summary "HULK RULES" for a chance at the ultimate 30%! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:20, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I think the song is enhanced by the background sounds of the police car. The chatter coming over the police radio is of course unrelated to the song but its presence I think forces the listener to listen more carefully if they are at all interested in the song. This balance could easily be upset if for instance the police radio was at a higher volume or if what was being said over the police radio was exceptionally interesting. But this sounds like mostly routine background police communication at relatively low volume, so the song seems enhanced in its identity as a familiar piece of pop music, even if I never heard it before. Bus stop (talk) 20:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

In ruby farming, we call that boring interstitial stuff "the matrix", man. I believe your kind call it a canvas. In any case, yeah, they're all good for contrast, blank isn't always the best start. Would I call this song a diamond in the rough, a hidden gem? No. But I'm glad somebody who found it found it precious. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Not bad: Mad Season - River Of Deceit Bus stop (talk) 01:35, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

It's no "River Don't Care", I'll give it that much. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

But thanks again, Bus stop, for leading me to their relatively hot and moving "Lifeless Dead". InedibleHulk (talk) 00:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

River Don't Care by Gord Downie is good. Thank you. Check out The HU - Wolf Totem. Bus stop (talk) 01:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Soon. Still on Mad Season. "Artificial Red" seems real to me! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like Ramin Djawadi's "Dracarys" and Motorhead's "The Game" laid an egg. In a good way, of course. Can't tell whether the singer's from Astapor, Mereen or Yunkai, but if that's the dude from Papa Roach, he's come a long way, baby! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I knew that was too good to be true. Papa Roach dude just made a worse version. Bunch of Mongolians with long names, in reality. Probably would've gathered that had I followed your link directly. But for some reason, browser YouTube is all in my right ear, and that's just wrong. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Ever heard Bloody Mother Fucking Asshole? I mean the song, not EP. Lissie's cover blew me away. Politrukki (talk) 18:42, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Not yet I haven't, thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Julie Strain

Instead of starting another edit war, take it to the talk page and search for consensus.--Folengo (talk) 14:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I did. But I will continue to remove unverifiable personal info from a BLP/BDP. That's totally excusable. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

What do you think of the NFL names?

Airplanes:

New York Jets (I like them a little more than the Giants but Jets always suck)

Birds:

Cardinals Eagles Falcons Ravens Seahawks

Cats:

Bengals (tigers from Bangladesh and West Bengal, India, but in Ohio) Jaguars Lions Panthers

Colors:

Browns (helmet is a barely brown orange and nothing else)

Electrical:

Chargers

Genericized Greek God Trademarks:

New York Giants (last of our 9 teams to win playoffs, 9 yrs ago) Tennessee Titans (mythologically superior)

Humans:

49ers (risk-taking walk across America in 1849 to get rich quick gold diggers) Buccaneers (pirates) Chiefs (First Nations leaders) Cowboys Packers (meat packers (slaughterhouse workers, whether they pack or not)) New England Patriots Raiders (pirate kind) Washington (DC) Redskins (slang for USA's First Nations) still picking a name Saints Steelers (steel mill workers) Texans Minnesota Vikings

noncat Mammals:

Bears Broncos Buffalos (the logo is a bison, not a Bill} Colts Dolphins Rams

Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:20, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll take the Chargers for making me laugh loudest ("Electrical", she says!), the Rams for signing Vader and the Steelers for ripping off Hamilton (Ontario, not Alexander). Funny list all around, though. Thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Sagittarian Milky Way, it has come to my attention that the Buccaneers will plausibly host the Chiefs in the same stadium that will maybe host WrestleMania. As a Harley Race fan, I must advise you put as much as you can afford on the Kansas City Chiefs. Anybody reading this, you (yes you) can also get rich quick, but place your bets while they're still only fairly heavy favourites! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:31, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be get slightly more money quick?Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:39, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Exactly! More money than we previously had. The universal standard of relatively rich, I tell ya! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:01, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

If anybody lost the farm/shirt/everything on this tip, blame the assholes who failed to inform me the Buccaneers had captured Tom Brady. Everybody knows that name is stupendous! I thought he retired years ago, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:53, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Just noticed I set a new record at Tampa Bay Buccaneers, nailing a minor edit straight in five minutes flat between 23:55 and 00:00 today. Thats a zero byter, an ace, a twofer, a triple, a quatro and a five-piece in a row, if you're just tuning in (though necessarily not in that order). Positive, negative, makes no difference. The fact remains, nobody likely ever said it could be done and certainly failed to mention I'd be the one to do it first. But there you have it, folks. InedibleHulkaMania will live forever! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

User:InedibleHulk/Darwin (monkey)

Would you ever be interested in coming back to this? Many reliable sources can be found. Sro23 (talk) 03:41, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I have to address a climate crisis, win or die, no place for a monkey on that field. You take care of him, raise his article to mainspace or beyond as your own and maybe one day tell him who his stepfather was. Promise me, Sro! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks; I'll probably rewrite it/move it to mainspace (don't know when). Sro23 (talk) 05:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

When the time is right, you'll know what to do. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:18, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I think this person is anthropomorphizing when at 3:30 they say "they did not look back, they just went for it". Bus stop (talk) 07:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

You freaky mindreader, I just mentioned you elsewhere. Anyway, I don't do browser YouTube anymore. I need a title and artist to go with that timestamp. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:03, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

It's called "What Happened to the Ikea Monkey?" and it is from November 2018. The title is misleading because the "IKEA Monkey" only makes a cameo appearance. Bus stop (talk) 08:15, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Cool, I was just about to insist you hurry up! I'll watch it later, on a dedicated app, like God intended. I hope it doesn't make me regret "givin' it away now". InedibleHulk (talk) 08:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bus stop: Thanks for waiting, that was beautiful. My baby is bending rebar with an honest-to-Christ Canadian baboon, a happier ending could not be written! If you want to see an "advanced" ape get fired from a postmodern slop kitchen and safely released into the wilds of Indiana by decent cops, go see Schrodinger's Cat's January 31 upload. It's longer, and dumber, but after a while, "Crazy Karen" actually seems like she's trying to communicate something. Something almost..."political". Nice jacket, though, whatever it wants from us! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank God for monkeys. Bus stop (talk) 01:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

In strange aeons, God is monkeys. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Them goddamn monkeys are always starting trouble. Bus stop (talk) 04:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

It was the bloody Englishmen who gave them a name comprising 83% "money", what did they expect would grow on trees and trickle down? InedibleHulk (talk) 07:00, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Current Events Discussion (New proposal to admins)

You are invited to a new proposal that will affect the WikiProject Current events. The discussion is about adding a way to track how many times an article is listed at Portal:Current events. You can see the proposal here. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Like I said, I need to address a climate crisis. We all do. What do petty contemporary squabbles and rankings matter when the One True Nuke can snuff out humanity's past, present and future, at any moment? You can see whatever you want, but I saw another one of Bergman's stars fall recently, and I firmly believe I was right about what followed Max last spring. We definitely need "a new way", and I don't think further hostile discussion is needed, in any toxic sphere. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

What? Lol. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Gunnel Lindblom#Selected filmography, funny as hell, especially that first flick! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@InedibleHulk: I feel like your account got hacked. If it didn't please respond with a real answer. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Translation please

Boy oh boy - I do push myself to keep up with the times, and our ever-changing language, but I'm still pretty clueless. When you have time, would you please clarify the context of the following highlighted words/phrases for me? All good, 'tis the season for cultural appropriation, I think. The past few days, a love goat has been all over ITN/C, taking a rambling man's ancient catchphrases and making them its own. I see you're having far more or less serious problems with PP, sounds rough, make like Triumph (the Canadian rockers, not the insult dog) and fight the good fight every day! Rhetorically, of course. And if you must sacrifice a lamb, don't let it know, fear lives on in the meat ("fouls the flavor", some say). Believe it or not, I understood the part relative to game hunting, and am aware of the writings in the Farmer's Almanac, particularly the earlier versions which is a direction I fear WP may be headed as the quality of our news sources continues to decline. Atsme 💬 📧 14:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

These are certainly not the clearest times, but I'll try. Cultural appropriation (loosely speaking) is the use/misuse of other folk's customs, devices and whatnot. It (loosely) resembled this new character, WikiLove Goat, picking up a couple of The Rambling Man's old sayings for approving a nominated current event to the Main Page (ITN/C).

Triumph (band) are (semi)known for a song like that, and Triumph the Insult Dog is not. The lamb is like the fish, symbols so old and retranslated that nobody has any idea what they mean, my own guesses are just that. Not any sort of threat, though. I was listening to a Melisandre motif under a full wolf moon, just spilled out, especially amidst humane slaughter allusions.

Pretty much everything I say that sounds weird is twisted out of Canadian rock, ASoIaF, the Bible, Algonquin myth and classic pro wrestling. But the abovementioned climate crisis is very real; just very hard to address with silent contemplation or words about action. Fake news has never been the answer. Anyway, back in three days, don't ask why! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

(To be double clear, "all good" signifies I'm not accusing anyone of the exploitative, desecratory, racist, evil or recklessly stupid sorts of cultural appropriation in that Wikilink, just the "unavoidable" kind of sharing that comes with collaboration.) InedibleHulk (talk) 02:27, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

The goat is annoying and clearly isn't quite "up to speed" yet but I'm sure it makes me a better person to just try to live with: imitation/flattery and all that. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:53, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Wow, you should thank the first amendment for that. And please, do not make a WikiFauna for me. WikiLove Goat (talk) 14:56, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

You and Atsme have a First Amendment. TRM and I have two other bills and one assenting royal to thank. But we're just four souls whose intentions are good; oh Lord, please don't let us be misunderstood! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

However

Hello. I am a regular (you don't know me) on a self-enforced break and trying to stay away for good stress and mental-healthy reasons. I was, however, (sorry) reading the sad messages etc re Flyer 22 - what a terrible loss! - and, stumbling over it in passing, I was also intrigued by your Titanic/however reference so I went off and read it too. So I just wanted to say: (1) what a nice, civilized and sensible debate that was and (2) I think your view on this is rather correct, and I wondered if you have taken up the cudgels in an essay or in a MOS-centred debate or something? Or is it only in places like the above? (That is btw an interested question, not an attempt to make you do things!) There's no doubt in my mind that we do a number of things in Wikipedia's voice that we should not and I think that this subtle inflection is quite often editorial in effect - like we are trying to point the reader along the same view that we have taken of how it unfolded, or whatevs. Sorry to take up your time, best wishes 82.34.153.236 (talk) 12:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Greetings, mysterious regular! I think that may have been the most I'd said about "however" in one place, but if you check my edit summaries for it, you'll find bonus commentary scattered. Thanks for the kind review, and good luck with that brain of yours! InedibleHulk (talk) 13:00, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Justice shall be served on "grammar nazis".[6] Bus stop (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, InedibleHulk! Best wishes 82.34.153.236 (talk) 22:29, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

You too, semivisible visitor! Bus stop, I don't know what you're wishing, but it doesn't sound good. Not that there's literally anything wrong with Justice, of course. But if you're subtly undermining my people's regime, you have to straight-up say so. At least by my great reckoning of some unwritten code! InedibleHulk (talk) 11:10, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have butted in. Bus stop (talk) 15:11, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Butting in is fine, it's a public conversation. No apology needed or accepted. Just wondering if you're more personally vowing something against me and my particular ruleset, or generally prophesying it for all grammar Nazis. Maybe the quotes signify the term itself? In any case, I'm not that worried. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:36, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Always good to weigh in on everything, or at least that's my motto. No, it's not really my motto. Until, at least, I get a poster to hang on my wall reading "Weigh In On Everything". Bus stop (talk) 18:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

You do that. My head hurts. Later? InedibleHulk (talk) 18:31, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I just want to add that I do think there is a class of butting in that can be deemed impermissible even in a "public conversation". Bus stop (talk) 15:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

If such butting should cause another's head to hurt, then yes, such a goat shall be driven from the forum with a stick not exceeding the width of "indefinite". But no, you were only correlated to my suffering there, I mainly blame pizza indigestion, maybe too salty. Anyway, you should probably "butt out" of watching words like "falsely" and "conspiracy theory" so closely, or you might never "wake up"/"get real"/"move on". Stick to inventions, my eccentric friend. There's a lot left undesirable/imperfect in that sector, too! InedibleHulk (talk) 15:52, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm interested in many things, as are most people who participate in Wikipedia. Many factors apply to participation at something like Wikipedia. I would say that satisfaction derives from competence. I would say competence precedes in importance all other factors. Wikipedia being a human environment with all the foibles of our kind, including but not limited to our competitive, backbiting nature, we are safest where we are most competent. Having said that, I'm not a major endorser of the WP:COMPETENCE guideline. I think it has got its priorities backward. I think that guideline should be saying "due to a flaw in the culture of Wikipedia it is advisable that participants stick to their areas of greatest competence". Another variation: "due to a flaw in the culture of Wikipedia it is advisable that participants stick to those areas in which they are more competent than most other participants. If they wander into areas in which their competence is below-average they will regret it". Bus stop (talk) 18:37, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you know an older English DYK master tried to coerce me into stepping outside my comfort zone at ITN today? Said I should try "bundling" references instead of slowly burning them, like some sort of...Well, the important thing is I just said no! The very thought of it made me uncomfortable, wasn't ready to regret it later, so I choked. He scoffed. I said it wasn't like that! He said whatever. Part of me feels like a coward for shrinking away from a challenge, but part of me feels like the greatest hero of all for realizing my own limitations. I think you can guess which one I'm pretending not to hear! So yeah, that's my foible. I'll look into your "backbiting" article later. I trust your wacky curation, it just seems scary right now. And after all, isn't the waiting the coolest part? InedibleHulk (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

A half-formed thought is not necessary indicative of a limitation. No need to look into my backbiting article. I don't know why I linked to it—haven't read it myself, except to see that it was approximately what I thought the term was. I could have looked into Merriam-Webster or Wiktionary. You may be right about the refrigeration associated with waiting. Bus stop (talk) 21:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

My limitations are in my hands and computer, not my head. Can't highlight, copy or paste. Positioning the cursor, switching between tabs and "typing" are possible but tricky. Your link has a cartoon in it. Not animated, colourful or funny, but still worth a thousand words. A fine choice, however it was made. I bet you don't see that kind of graphic content in Bareback or Snakebite! And sorry to thaw your illusions of me, but Tom Petty is the wiser man in that last respect; the waiting is the hardest part. Harder than Tonya Harding whacking Hardboiled Haggerty with the hardwood at Hardhome, I might add. Anyway, have you heard I Disagree yet? If not, go! InedibleHulk (talk) 11:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I think competence should not be thought of as a project-wide capacity. WP:COMPETENCE is talking about ideal editors. There are no ideal editors. We are supposed to be able to read sources and address subjects. But we all have sensibilities that prepare us or ill-prepare us for reading sources and addressing different topics. It varies by the topic. Backbiting was the wrong word. Those whose sensibilities give them the upper-hand in certain topic-areas are abusive to those who are barely able to cope—in that topic-area. That is why Wikipedia to an extent is a toxic environment. I understand and accept that this is a project aimed at writing an encyclopedia. I am not quibbling over that. But uniquely this is a collaborative project. I am refraining from using italics or bolding on the word collaborative. There are 2 forces at work. One is the ability for millions of editors to bring into existence something as amazing as Wikipedia. The other force pertains to that which is holding us back, namely kicking the shit out of one another. Tolerance at Wikipedia means allowing those less competent in certain subject-areas to have input that is not overly-damaging to the project. I would only throw my weight around in subject-areas in which my sensibilities excel if what someone else was doing was truly egregious—misleading to the reader. There is a wide latitude for that which is acceptable. How wide I can't say. Some people act like know-it-alls. I think everyone knows less than they think they know. Bus stop (talk) 17:04, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Would it make me a toxic crusader if I seemingly ignored everything you just said that makes sense there, and told you to spell numbers lower than 13 or go to Conservapedia?!? I won't if it will, bad optics and all, but "seriously", the only thing I can tolerate less than an itty-bitty numeral is a lazy, filthy disruptive strawman! The argument, I mean. Some of my best friends are scarecrows (born that way, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 17:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Less facetiously, you've given me a lot to think about, thanks. I'm going to chew it over, like a machine. But then I'm going to sleep on it, like an animal. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:04, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

OK, there are two forces at work. Maybe 5, or 7. Bus stop (talk) 18:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Nein! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Upon further reflection, I find my prior edit summary shamefully unfunny. I agree wholeheartedly that the exceptionally competent quite often misuse their knowledge and skill, or abuse the less fortunate and more ignorant with it, sometimes for the worse. There is a fairly interesting (if somewhat "dated") story of an insecure know-it-all and his highly dangerous goat being taught a questionable lesson about what's best for the superstitious tribe as a whole in "The Man Who Wouldn't Die!" InedibleHulk (talk) 16:29, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

On the topic to which I aver unwaveringly—yes, it is quite true they "misuse their knowledge and skill". Bus stop (talk) 17:46, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Part of me is reluctant to ask, but since I don't already know, do you refer to Jewish nuclear physics? InedibleHulk (talk) 20:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Unsure. Bus stop (talk) 23:37, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Good to know. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:42, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Albert Einstein was a Jew. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

February 2021

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Good stuff, a longer thank you failed to publish at your Talk, will respond later. For now, thanks. And good luck with your real life, as well! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:16, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, Wisconsin rules! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:31, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Jacob Mulee

Your changes to the lines/paragaphs is potato-potato, and your description of this as a Radio Jambo host wasn't constructive. I have however amended the article. GiantSnowman 17:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

No idea what potato-potato is. Not sure what's unconstructive about saying where a radio host works, Larry King's article relays the source on facts like that. I'll check out your amendments, BRB. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

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I update tons of those RDs, mundane minor morbid compulsion. The real credit goes to Floydian for being the first to publicly notice in official clickable template form. Good game, buddy! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:38, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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Again, Bloom6132 deserves the hoorah, I basically just rewrote what was already known, in the possibly misguided hope of teaching it to slower readers faster. Thanks for noticing, though. Always fun trying to guess where your nominees were born and how they got famous, B! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

March 2021

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Well, that's a new one. Wondering what I wrote. I'll see if I can see. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Here. I did NOT make that up. Whether or not that was true, I was simply copying-and-pasting the sentence. That was someone else's writing, so please consider the page has a long history of users editing it in such a short amount of time before making assumptions. Thank you. Love of Corey (talk) 01:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

I see. Sorry for presuming it was another one of our people (it often is). You're alright, that reporter sucks! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:22, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay. Love of Corey (talk) 01:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Copying and pasting is plagiarism, though, just a reminder. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:29, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

I was copying and pasting to move the sentence elsewhere in the article, not to take it from another article, including Wikipedia. Love of Corey (talk) 03:05, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

If you didn't add the nutty plural to the article or invent the supposed second official, why would you even figure that edit summary was about you? You're So Vain. But at least you're now clearly no plagiarist, thanks for clearing that part up! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Because you had earlier called me out for my tendency to use "however", and your edit summary here said "too", so it's clear you thought I was the one responsible for the plural. And I'm supposed to be vain. SMFH. Love of Corey (talk) 05:15, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Again, not calling you out. I've been yelling at nobody in particular forever about that. See my eulogy for Flyer22 (reference and link), goes back before she was even frozen. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:27, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Well, maybe you shouldn't yell at the open cyberspace if you're going to yell at nobody in particular. Otherwise someone's going to get confused. >:( Love of Corey (talk) 05:59, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

People get confused no matter what I do, kid. The other day, I paraphrase the Deputy Chairman of the Federation Council to ease tensions and better get his point across, when some yahoo drives by and puts quotations marks all up in and around my diplomatic effort, attributing it to some guy on the other side of the Arctic! I get no respect, I tell ya. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

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Holy smokes, thanks for detecting, another two minutes and...well, you know! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:24, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

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OK, this is getting crazy now. Barely touched that one. Kudos to Oceanh...kudos! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:53, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Gympie Pyramid

What is wrong with you? why those edits into the text, and comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigetsme123 (talk • contribs) 09:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Take your nonsense article, have fun and leave me alone. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Please try to seriously explain your edits, especially when a new editor is editing an article - funny is nice but not when it just confuses

Even I couldn't figure most of them out. The new editor thought you were a kid based on your edit summaries. They are editing in good faith but still haven't caught up to our policies and guidelines, particularly hard in an article like the Gympie Pyramid where it's hard to figure out what is a reliable source and what isn't. I've reverted to something like one of your versions, although I'm not at all sure about the article as it now stands. Doug Weller talk 11:23, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Remember what I told you in Section 21 above? Well, you stopped by and reminded me of something else. So I guess it's about time I told you about the rabbits. But why bother? Later. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

OK, I've had some time to melt down and simmer in my own (figurative and neurological) juices. I'm not sorry for believing that other guy is more confusing than I am, but sorry for using the word "crazy", that was rude. Doug Weller, legit sorry for confusing you, everything you need to know about the rabbits is exactly where it should be and was before, in Rabbit, simple as that, take it or leave it, won't happen again! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Not a legal expert

Never touted myself as one, either. Nor did I say the defense can call witnesses during the prosecution's turn. I said Nelson "hasn't even begun", implying he will later. I don't mind you correcting me when I actually get something wrong, or word it unclearly, but don't make things up just to knock them down, please. As for mens rea in Minnesotan manslaughter, you're right, I don't feel qualified to answer you. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:52, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

OK, after a minute of entirely amateur and self-taught research, it would seem second-degree Minnesotan manslaughter is as near to normal Canadian manslaughter as I'd initially assumed. So yeah, Chauvin would need to be proven to have knowingly taken a deadly risk in doing what he did to Floyd. Can we be regular online friendly now? InedibleHulk (talk) 11:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Water under the bridge. I actually practice Law in the U.S. but I'm Canadian. Common law jurisdictions share relatively similar laws with slight variations in different areas, depending on the topic being implicated/litigated/whatever. Almost all US jurisdictions have adopted the Model Penal Code Approach to Intent and mentally culpable states of mind for mens rea. The other thing is, it is extremely difficult to find legal anything without the proper research tools. At the end of the day, the jury is going to do whatever it wants, but if they misapply the law it will allow Chauvin to Appeal. Do your best to manage expectations for the trial. I apologize for misrepresenting your position. (talk) 18:36, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

All good, thanks for apologizing. Sorry if I confused you, too. I know more than the average bear about law, sometimes can come across as patronizing, but any paralegal could argue me under the table. I'd never dare represent myself in court, or try to remember a case number. I just think rationally, like an expert. I was raised in a funeral home, though, so I know what death looks like, on paper and in the flesh. Currently paused before cross-examination of a doctor with eyes like mine, could be persuasive, given my bias. But yeah, more than anything, I also hope this doesn't end in more riots. At least not as big or bigger than when the mobs were relatively (and understandably) ignorant of the facts. I'd hate to be a juror. In any case, but especially this one. Cheers! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:05, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

A year goes by quick. I hope you're doing well. CanadianUSLawCQEJLRMMO (talk) 09:06, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Some years certainly have. By my reckoning, though, this one lasted a thousand days (including a few unusually slow nights). But yeah, however long it took us to get here, we made it; cheers! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

false accusations

This [[7]] is a highly objectionable implication, I am a regular at RSN, asking a question directly related to RSN. Nor was it a reply to anything you posted at RSN, or related to anything you posted at RSN. So no it was not weird, it was coincidental.Slatersteven (talk) 13:12, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

And coincidences are weird, in my opinion. Nothing personal intended. Good luck learning the difference between a neck, a neck area and the base of the neck, sincerely! InedibleHulk (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Ever accuse me of following you again and I will report you.Slatersteven (talk) 13:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

If I do, it'll be the first time, happy trails! InedibleHulk (talk) 13:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

trailing and following mean the same in the context used, read WP:LAWYER that exercise in pendantics will not work.Slatersteven (talk) 13:52, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021

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It's not defamatory, he's dead and it's true. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:30, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

And this [[8]] edit summery could be seen as violating wp:npa, I suggest you stop casting aspersions.Slatersteven (talk) 13:47, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

That's objective hypocrisy and you are hounding me now, in fact. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:54, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I am not hounding you (and this is all about the same topic above), I am telling you not to accuse other users of hypocrisy, now if you think I am hounding you take it to wp:ani. If you want me to stop posting on your talk page say so.Slatersteven (talk) 13:57, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

All I did was jokingly ask if you were "trailing" me. If you're not, it's cool. Now get on with your business, whatever it is. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:04, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure what you think this is [[9]] but may well be a goss violation of wp:blp. Stop those now.Slatersteven (talk) 15:37, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Again, that bodycam footage is widely distributed and in the public record. Stop shifting the blame onto Cup Foods employees. Sometimes ex-cons with addictions and no jobs rob stores, but rarely vice versa, admit it. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

So? what has that to do with you calling someones children bastards?Slatersteven (talk) 15:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

You're the one who said they might have been ditching work to hassle a junkie for cigarettes and change, for some backward reason. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:54, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

No I did not, I never once said anything of the kind, and you need to read wp:WP:ES, they are not there for you to attack people or make jokes.Slatersteven (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Get to bed! InedibleHulk (talk) 15:59, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

WP:ES. If you keep on with the attitude I will report you.Slatersteven (talk) 16:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Shut up and do it, whatever it takes to get you off my ass, hours of hounding, attacks, edit conflicts and undue speculation about living people's guilt. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Funniest thing you've said for months. Good work. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I guess the key to getting over with you is "don't even try". InedibleHulk (talk) 02:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I hadn't realised you'd even tried, too busy being hilarious all the time and all that, getting in the way of any substantive. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:10, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

If you want substantive hilarity, stick with User talk:EEng. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't think you understand, but enjoy trying to be funny, as you say though, it's not really your forte. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Your sarcasm is pretty weak. Mostly, it seems you just say the opposite of whatever you mean. But if that's what you like, there are many similar "jokers" around here to blend in with, "have fun"! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:26, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

No, not at all, that was completely serious. I'm here to build content, you seem to be here to try to be the "joker" yet fail time after time. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:36, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm vaguely aware that you've wrote a fair bit of soccer stuff, not knocking it. But whenever I see you, you're either badgering people and soapboxing at ITN/C, or incessantly nitpicking every OTD or DYK you can. By my understanding, you either see some tiny problem with the way I worded something and want me to know how much smarter you are, or you're simply bored and cantankerous on a slow news day. In either case, I don't care. Go tell someone else they bug you. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Small favor

Hey, if you screw up indents on my talk page, just leave it. It doesn't bother me. pbp 21:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Cool. It bothers me, though. Almost every day I miscount, why?!? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:07, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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NPA

You really do need to read and take on board wp:npa, it does not matter how you refer to yourself, I can call my self all kinds of things (and do on my user page), that does not mean I can say them to you (or come to that you can call make them).Slatersteven (talk) 11:29, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

What are you talking about? InedibleHulk (talk) 11:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

If it's "kooky", look it up. Those ideas are fantastic, and the person in question holds them. If it's about the "bastard shopkeeper children" again, I already told you, that was sarcasm. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

So? You still do not get to call another user "kooky" (or basterds or whatever).Slatersteven (talk) 13:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, I did. And that user called me about a dozen synonyms for "radical terrorist sympathizer". We're grown men, and sometimes old colleagues, we can take each other's heat. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:10, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

To be clear to all concerned, I don't mean the idea of pepper in one's throat causing the basilar artery to explode about eight hours after clearing one's throat is "fantastic" in the good, Cash for Life way. I mean it's imaginary, preposterous and contrary to known scientific evidence. Wishful thinking in the way that applying light pressure to the general area of the basilar artery for a few minutes can prevent all that transpires through one's throat. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Cerebrovascular dissections can occur after trauma—sometimes after relatively minor trauma. A dissection is typically painful right off the bat, but neurologic symptoms may not appear for 12 to 18 hours or more after the initial injury. That's because the dissection itself is a tear in the lining of the artery, but it takes time for a thrombus to form at the site of that tear, and for that thrombus to cause ischemic symptoms or infarction.

So it's entirely plausible that someone could suffer a traumatic basilar artery dissection in an altercation; feel fine except for mild to moderate neck pain/soreness for 8–24 hours or more; and then rapidly develop catastrophic or fatal neurologic complications (most likely cerebellar edema and uncal herniation). That's not "preposterous" nor "contrary to known scientific evidence". I've seen it happen. And since we're both grown adults, maybe I don't need to cast about for a polite way to tell you that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. MastCell ^Talk 06:10, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely not, I like being reminded of things I should consider by more knowledgeable people, that's how I learn. I agree the situation you describe is possible, even common enough. But in this case, any external contributing trauma is apparently not the case. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:19, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Why do you say that? (Serious question; I'm not au courant with the details of the case). After all, neck trauma, coughing, and retching are all well-described potential causes of vertebrobasilar dissection (e.g. Caso et al., 2005). Officer Sicknick was assaulted by pro-Trump rioters, who sprayed him with a chemical irritant—resulting, presumably, in some combination of trauma, coughing, and retching. It seems entirely plausible that the assault led to a vertebrobasilar dissection, the only immediate symptom of which would likely have been neck pain. After an interval of 8 to 24 hours, an occlusive thrombus developed at the site of the dissection, resulting in a catastrophic and fatal posterior-circulation stroke.

I mean, I don't know if that's what happened, but that is a highly plausible chain of events from a medical perspective, and it's certainly far more likely than any alternative explanation (for instance, that a previously healthy 42-year-old man had an acute fatal dissection and stroke completely unrelated to a recent assault). So if you're an Occam's razor type, there you go. Of course, I haven't followed the details of the case closely, so if I'm misstating something please let me know. Otherwise, I'm curious why you're so confident that the assault was completely unrelated to the subsequent stroke. MastCell ^Talk 19:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The medical examiner said he found no injuries, external or internal. A sudden cough or something also needn't be hard enough to leave a mark to dislodge an old clot from elsewhere, in theory. But pending any indication of that or a proximal previous tear having happened, and a natural causes determination, seems coincidental to me. Strokes are called a silent killer precisely because they happen to seemingly healthy people, or out of nowhere. Another guy in the same crowd died of one, too, no known altercation. And then hundreds of stressed or beaten cops and protestors didn't have one after their scuffles. Countless variables at play, every day, in any body, from the hours prior to things we were born with. I'm not sure here, just know which theory seems less likely to me, based on limited information and no doctorate. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@MastCell: - you assumed Sicknick was “previously healthy”, but the medical examiner refused to release details of his medical condition, citing privacy. Could medical conditions be a factor then? starship.paint (exalt) 13:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Just for clarity, you're asking about "other significant conditions" (those which contributed to his death, but did not cause the stroke) and the "underlying cause(s)" of the stroke itself (e.g. hypertension, atherosclerosis, high cholesterol), but not his "medical condition" at the time, which was dead (one level below "critical"), correct? InedibleHulk (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Starship.paint: You're right, I'm assuming that he was generally healthy; I don't know that for a fact. In general, plenty of 42-year-olds have some combination of hypertension, atherosclerosis, and dyslipidemia, but virtually none of them have strokes. Ischemic strokes are extremely rare in this age group and often have specific underlying causes, some of the most common being arterial dissection, atrial fibrillation (with embolization of an atrial thrombus), or a myeloproliferative disorder (e.g. polycythemia vera). It's possible that, for instance, he had atrial fibrillation which led to the stroke, and obviously I'm making some assumptions about his general state of health. I guess my initial point was just pushing back against the idea that it's "preposterous" that events related to Sicknick's assault by rioters could have contributed to his subsequent fatal stroke. MastCell ^Talk 20:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Your reasonable hypothetical scenarios on a possible connection are nowhere near as preposterous, fantastic or kooky as those from the guy I was talking about. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hulk, I was talking about pre-existing medical conditions, which may have caused the stroke also. We have no idea if he had any. MastCell, thanks for your detailed opinion! starship.paint (exalt) 08:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

We know he had clots in his neck, at least, and we know pepper spray itself can't form those in anyone. But yes, for some reason, a guy who was public enough to lay in state and have his fake murder featured in a Congressional impeachment hearing is suddenly having his privacy respected, leaving an already thrice-hoodwinked public still in the dark and divided by our guesses. But tens of millions of less famous death certificates are just a press request away (or already all over the Internet). The system works! Thanks for clarifying yourself, anyway, I suppose that's all any of us can do from here. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:04, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

undoing a clerical move by an admin at ANI

IH, WTF? I collapsed a sidetrack caused by a rhetorical remark because I thought it added more heat than light. The whole point of that is to remove from plain sight stuff that isn't actually relevant to the discussion so that people can decide whether they want to bother with it in the general wall of text. If you object, raise an objection. —valereee (talk) 11:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Cool timing, just explained on your Talk, let's jet there? InedibleHulk (talk) 11:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hulk, I don't think it's wise to do such actions. starship.paint (exalt) 11:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I know. We disagreed about who started the fire extinguisher angle, too. Duly noted, my friend! InedibleHulk (talk) 12:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

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Last year, 1932 and 1991 were also considered too spicy for the pepper, and everywhere between. Glad to see some old wounds heal (or at least be forgotten). Maybe in another year, that Waco mess will disappear. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:25, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Aye, forever. Unblinking! Still haven't checked out that song you offered earlier, but know what must be done (at least before it's too late!). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:21, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Dave Bautista

Hello, InedibleHulk,

When reverting me at Dave Bautista, you wrote: "Good faith, but BILLED sizes are SUPPOSED to be larger-than-life, nature of the game". Are you actually arguing that a neutral encyclopedia should include false information produced by an unreliable source for promotional purposes? And add it to an infobox of a BLP as if it were true? Especially when the subject of the article objects to the inclusion of that false information? Can you please explain further? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328 WWE would be unreliable for ACTUAL height and weight. As presented in PW infoboxes, though, it's clearly marked as "billed". For that, the billing/promoting/advertising company would naturally know best. A pro wrestler's actual size is far less relevant than it is for pure competitive sportspeople, and so is very rarely included here. It's not lying, it's just contextual. Important to delineate between reality and pageantry for some things, though, like birthplaces, injuries and feuds. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

In other words, you think that in-universe, kayfabe false information belongs in BLP infoboxes, because an utterly unreliable source says so? And it's OK because the weasel word "billed" is thrown in? And it stays in articles about people no longer associated with WWE, despite their objection to the lies? Is there project-wide consensus for this foolishness? It's astounding. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, there is project-wide consensus, for many years. Batista has done virtually no wrestling outside of WWE, makes particularly good sense in his case. I missed where he said he objects to this tradition, link? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328, unsure if I was supposed to ping you anew in that last reply. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

You participated in the recent conversation at Talk: Dave Bautista where User:Jmmeisner asked for the false information to be removed. Jmmeisner discloses on their user page that they are a representive of Bautista. At WP:COIN they wrote "I acknowledged from the beginning of my edit request that I work with Dave Bautista. In addition to that, I am his oldest childhood friend and am simply trying to correct an error in his birthplace" and also wrote "In addition, I originally was trying to also correct his height as he is 6'4". When he was in the WWE, they used to say 6'6" as the page properly represents, it's just not his real height. The WWE takes some liberties with height and weight, as they also did with the spelling of his name. Please advise. Thank you. Respectfully".

Please provide a link to the projectwide consensus that you mentioned. Frankly, I am horrified that wrestling editors favor the inclusion of kayfabe falsehoods in BLPs. I consider it utterly unacceptable and intend to work to gain genuine projectwide consensus to exclude all such content from Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

So the subject's publicist originally wanted the height changed, admitted it was properly represented here, then refocused his complaint to the hometown. Fair enough. I'll try to find the original discussion regarding the standard wrestler infobox fields, but meanwhile, any random sample of wrestlers should strongly suggest the normalcy. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:55, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328, I see by Template:Infobox professional wrestler's history that the instruction to use kayfabe heights has stood unchallenged for almost 15 years. I wanted to ask the creator what was intended by "to solve endless disputes", but he or she left 14 years ago. I'll keep digging. I can show you mainstream news from any decade of the past century accepting wrestling as inherently crooked and deceptive, if you like. It might be useful to not beat dead horses in your future endeavour. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I take exception to your use of the word "properly". Deliberate insertion of false, promotional content cited to a glaringly unreliable source is the very opposite of proper. Yes, I searched for "billed height" and saw that this garbage is included in many wrestling BLPs. That a BLP violation is widespread does not make it correct.

Now you are telling me that this kayfabe baloney goes back almost 15 years and therefore predates BLP policy. Hey, I am 69 years old and have known that professional wrestling was "inherently crooked and deceptive" ever since I saw Dick the Bruiser and his friends wrestle on local Detroit TV back around 1960. Encyclopedia coverage ought to be neutral and accurate, and must not be allowed to be used as a tool to perpetuate the deceptions. BLP policy rules. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

OK, so you're well aware the industry as a whole is intentionally sketchy, at least since Bruiser's heyday. And you seem to understand that Wikipedia strives to reflect the reliable sources, regardless of topic area. Are you aware that WWE has been the industry leader in rewriting history since 1983? It never claimed to be telling the truth, just didn't openly say it wasn't till 1989. Likewise, Wikipedia nowhere claims these are legitimate personal heights and weights, but straight to the contrary. These are the billed stats, verifiably, per source. If anything, the project is perpetuating the solid fact that the outward face of wrestling is mythology and should not be considered as anything more trustworthy than that. But good luck! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, Cullen328, "properly" wasn't my word, it was from that guy you quoted, I just read it back for clarity. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:55, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

A newbie editor cannot be expected to assess such matters accurately, especially if they are trying to be nice in order to gain credibility. I believe quite strongly that this is improper. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:21, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

If he knows "The Animal" and "Drax" as well as it seems he does, he's no noob to what's proper in the entertainment section of the Internet's information leader. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:28, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello there, my good friend @Cullen328:. As an editor who primarily focuses on professional wrestling articles, I have some insight to provide. As you know, professional wrestling is a strange universe and performing art form. Unlike other forms of entertainment such as cinema and novels, the line is frequently blurred between characters, fiction, and reality due to the nature of kayfabe interacting frequently with the real world. The infobox we speak of is not necessarily the main biographical information infobox, but rather a sub infobox entitled "professional wrestling information", which states quick facts both kayfabe (billed from/billed height) and actual information (trained by, debut, retired, etc). For instance, a wrestler may be born in one city (listed in primary infobox) but might be billed as being from another city or even a fictional place (such as "Wherever he damn well pleases" or "From the bottom of the sea" or "From Gotham") as part of his persona. Such information is considered to be important identifying characteristics of their character relevant for professional wrestling coverage on Wikipedia, and tends to be included because of the promotion saying so (whether online or during ring announcements during a wrestler's entrance). The heights might be accurate or they might be exaggerated as a part of a character as dictated by a professional wrestling company such as WWE in order to make their character appear to be more credible of a threat. It is long acknowledged that the heights stated by the company might be exaggerated, and therefore statements of actual heights and weights are likely from unreliable sources, and in such a case, listing the exaggerated height from a reliable primary source is acceptable due to the nature of kayfabe listing "professional wrestling information" and the way kayfabe interacts with reality. For instance, Adam Cole is billed as being 6'0, but is widely and infamously rumored in the wrestling community to be much shorter due to things like pictures taken with fans who are shorter than 6'0 being of comparable height to Cole. Additionally, until the NBA banned this practice, coaches and basketball player development executives in the NBA are known to bump up (or even down) players listed heights by a few inches in order to justify marketing them to play a certain position normally played by taller or shorter players. For instance, Kobe Bryant was listed as 6'6 despite being 6'4 to better justify him being a shooting guard and Kevin Durant was listed as 6'9 despite being 6'10 in order for him to play small forward rather than as center. In sports, height is important to list for various reasons, and teams sometimes state a wrong height for their personal benefit. However, it still is sourced as accurate for purposes of biography. In regards to wrestling, it does not constitute a violation of BLP due to the height never implying to be accurate, and professional wrestling articles look at kayfabe from an outside point of view, such as when explaining storylines and listing billed height. In sports it's listed height, in professional wrestling it's billed height. Slightly different terms but same concept, for slightly different reasons but for very similar purposes intended to benefit the involved parties. Maybe I'd recommend making it more clear that the height is of the character and not of the actual person somehow? Because clearly it doesn't intend to deceive. It strives to accurately reflect the wrestling character as it is presented. Due to the nature of kayfabe these billed heights of the characters that the wrestling promotions promote sometimes gets misconstrued as promoting false information regarding the actual persons itself. DrewieStewie (talk) 09:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I am copying this message to the BLP noticeboard thread, as discussion appears to have shifted over there. I suggest you reply there instead of here if you intend on doing so, Jim. DrewieStewie (talk) 09:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I just read The Animal raised his Army of the Dead Lumberjacks to piss me off, inflate milk prices, elect celebrity presidents and conquer my planet. So yeah, here's fine for strange crossover. Or wherever, nothing means nothing, somebody remember to burn what's left of Miz and Morrison's likenesses. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

May 2021

I've mentioned your user talk page at WP:BLPN#Template:Infobox professional wrestler. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:34, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Cool. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

pedophiles in high places

Hey, IH. You know I love you, so I hope you'll take this in the spirit intended. When you say "There are pedophiles in high places", are you saying you think there are more pedophiles in high places than in other places? The reason I ask is that I'm sure there are on average as many in high places as there are anywhere else but haven't seen convincing evidence there are more in high places than in, well, low places. And I've got friends in low places. —valereee (talk) 02:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

No, those fucking goofs are everywhere, good Samaritans gotta catch 'em all. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, just doing a sanity check. At ease, soldier. —valereee (talk) 02:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Did you know I founded Wikipedia's Creep Catchers chapter, ma'am? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I did not know that. There are so many, many things I do not know. Of the things I don't know, that's a very cool one. —valereee (talk) 02:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

So you know another thing, though, I'm not one of them. Just think they have the right idea. Not always as effective or legal as the ways police and prosecutors do it, but quicker and more transparent. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Not overworried about legal when it comes to kids being abused, myself. Kinda thinking 'let's make sure the kids are ok, then we'll worry about the niceties.' Don't want anyone innocent dead or anything, and that whole Pizzagate thing was nuts, but I still err on the side of kids. —valereee (talk) 03:07, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I erred away from bothering to learn what Pizzagate even was. Or Benghazi (as a domestic thing). Or Matt Gaetz. Something about Zs just screams "Kizarny Razzle Dazzle!" at me. I think a tinfoil hat might solve that. But yes, think of the children. As children, not adults! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Actually, it might be a G thing. I think Zeus was cool. I think Z-Gangsta was stupid. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Being the closest Wikipedia has to a stand up comedian and catching them creeps through WP: Child Protection is such a G thang, Hulk. Alberto Del Rio and Chris Benoit and some other Speaking Out wrestlers whoever the fuck should still have a seat right over at the ArbCom in absentia. (At least Hansen left NBC and kept To Catch a Predator going before NBC could tamper with it. Like Zombies on PPV.)DrewieStewie (talk) 09:00, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I hate to spoil your perception of me, but I still consider Benoit one of the best wrestlers of all time. Alberto Del Rio was pretty smooth in the ring, too. Jake Roberts is mostly evil, but the man can talk the talk, no question! Snuka sucked on both sides of the guardrail, from what I've seen. So did Rockin' Rebel. Johnnny K-9 was a jabroni, but Bruiser Bedlam beat Savage, so...New Jack's a'ight. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

NBC thoughts, I've had a few. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Solid skills galore. Admiration of work is a solid traditon to stand by. Although, their real life transgressions stand them no chance in hell when faced against the honorable Craig Ferguson. Geoff Peterson is going to KICK THEIR ASS MAN, KICK THEIR ASS while we still throw beads at people and go swimming in one of Geoffs many places across the globe. Might as well have a puppet bunny cuss out Stone Cold on his podcast. Might as well call our producers at NBC racists for censoring WWE network content on Peacock. Gotta run, Secretariat's probably at the door now. (The whole allegory, is that unlike NBC, Comcast, and GE, CBS Cares. (sarcasm) #TheMoreYouKnow DrewieStewie (talk) 10:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Drewie hit us with that Triple H shhh...shell yeah, don't treat me like a woman and don't treat Val like a man! Tie a string around your fingers now, snakes, it's just a matter of time. Our time is time, the champ's time is now, if you're not cheating, you're not trying, so if you wanna play 21, don't have a cow. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I'll give you 22 and a solid grilled bone-in ribeye with Montreal steak seasoning. Possibly a bloomin onion from the Outback Steakhouse too. The layers of that can be peeled down like Katie Vick. Now I really hit em with that Triple H shieeet hahaha. (Was this even on?) DrewieStewie (talk) 10:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Surreal Barnstar

		The Surreal Barnstar
		You already have the humor barnstar, so here is the surreal barnstar. Your humor is such a wildcard but is hilarious and has positive effects on Wikipedia editors. You'd gotten me to the Adult Swim section of Wikipedia. Sure as hell makes me a happier man when discussing things and being a mark. Similar to how cookies are distributed on Wikipedia, I would have provided that bone-in ribeye as a comp during that game of 21, but I'm too damn lazy and stressed with finals to find a steak template similar to cookies, so this barnstar will serve as a comp. Hidden in the barnstar is some imaginary Venmo money to mail yourself some Omaha Steaks. Enjoy. DrewieStewie (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

In what might be another "never meet your heroes" shocker, I'm not exactly carnivorous. Used to be, and not holier-than-thou about it, but after I graduated college, I found I no longer had any use for that much iron and protein. Basically kissed milk and honey goodbye, too. I tolerate gluten, but increasingly less. My idea of a hearty dinner lately is essentially cigarettes, beans and nostalgia. But for dessert, breakfast and lunch, you better believe I remember what Sesame Street taught me about cookies! No "sometimes food" propaganda for this formerly malleable tyke; NOM NOM NOM!!! Anyway, thanks, it's the thought that counts. If I find that funny money, I'll buy the biggest eclair the North has ever seen, deal? InedibleHulk (talk) 12:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Deal of the century. DrewieStewie (talk) 12:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

For the Admins unaware, I must clarify for policy legal mumbo jumbo reasons, this faux-Venmo transaction isn't within the parameters of WP:PAID. DrewieStewie (talk) 12:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I had a pretty epic signoff edit conflicted into the void by the preceding message, so I guess that counts as "paying for it", you're lucky it was funny, kid! InedibleHulk (talk) 12:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh Shit, my fault! On some real shit, it's a bad habit of mine to make additions and further revisions after I publish changes. The phenomenon you expressed is a rather unfortonate side effect of that occasionally. My contribution log is full of that. (Though in passing I shall mention, I shouldn't meet my heroes, they said. Don't approach Billy Gunn, he's an asshole, they said. Turns out, that was horse shit, at least with my experience. Very chill and friendly to me.) DrewieStewie (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

No worries, it happens. Three times in a row just now, tried to tell a radish not to call a wrestler's friend and Wikipedia representative a "manager", no goal! I saw The Ass Man's ass from ringside once, as he vanquished that devious Kenzo Suzuki, but never met him. He's taller than he looks on TV. But his ass is just as deathly pale! InedibleHulk (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Watched his ass wrestle a good friend of mine ringside too at an indy show, this friend being a high school subsitute teacher of mine formerly in NXT, Kal Jak. Had to be there for the homie and meet others too like Bret Hart, Davey Jr, and Sonny Kiss. I'd say 6'3 is accurate for Gunn. DrewieStewie (talk) 13:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I used to know M-Dogg 20 just from around town, but never watched him wrestle, which was weird because I loved wrestling on TV at the time and every time I chatted with him, it was about him telling me to come see the show, and I always said I might, sounds fun! Who was working who there, I'll never know. Indy stars, bah! InedibleHulk (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Still disappointed with his Tough Enough elimination by the hands of Stone Cold. Some things never change. At least I can still kick ICP and other Juggalos ass with him on Backyard Wrestling on the PS2. Too bad he isn't in the next game though. Would have loved to use him to kick Andrew WK's ass as well. Guess sometimes Andrew gets destroy build destroyed as well. DrewieStewie (talk) 13:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Meh...from what I've seen, he's just pretty good. Smaller in person. It was only really twice we talked, about five minutes total. Saw him passing out programs a few more times, though, and better know a guy who knew him better, so he still counts as my famous friend and I'll namedrop him if I want, dammit! Seriously though, I'll YouTube your guy later. He sounds formidable! InedibleHulk (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Pretty solid worker. 6'6 with high school and collegiate amateur wrestling background. Humble fellow as well. Had many great conversations with him both in class and at the shows. DrewieStewie (talk) 14:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Good to hear. Well, it's almost 10:30 a.m., I think I'll call it a night, not as young as I used to be. Cheers to acing whatever tests life throws at you next! InedibleHulk (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, those are coming right up. Ill sure as hell need it. DrewieStewie (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea what you’re talking about half the time...

And yet, I enjoy reading your talk page.

Please keep doing whatever it is you’re doing. 😀 Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 05:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I've been feeling like I'm dying, thanks! Seriously though, you didn't know, so legit thanks. I've also been getting high, petting animals and listening to doom metal, which is brighter times; I'll presume you meant that half, cheers to greys! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:55, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

(Just to clarify, I'm getting high on weed, not that shit that makes people feel like they're dying.) InedibleHulk (talk) 06:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Might as well try to find an octogon with Jack Black. Hurry before Elmo stops us and Kermit gets mad over this conspicuous consumption of "sometimes snacks". At the end of the day though, Grover still misses his Uncle Charles, y'all. (I need a hit bad though, I'm procrastinating heavy on my finals, that should help me concentrate rather than waste time watching Wikipedia arguments I can never take seriously with all this campy Wikipedia jargon like gravedancing and Wikihounding and Sockpuppetry and Snow. DrewieStewie (talk) 07:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Jump up, jump up and get down, that's my advice. Not much help, I know. What are you supposed to be studying? This website has educational material, too, you know. That's what makes us better than SongMeanings or Warcraft or Tik-Tok or whatever. At least it used to, grasshopper. Ever try CBD for zoning in? InedibleHulk (talk) 08:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I receive an associates in History next week. Can't stay Sac State bound if i don't finish my work. And I'm reading anything but stuff related to my major, or other classes I am taking for GE. Getting distracted on the social media and YouTube as well. I really need to focus or take shit more seriously so I don't need to pull so many all nighters. LOL DrewieStewie (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

OK, well this is the last I'll enable your procrasticrisis. At least until you're safely a stodgy professor, full of vim and procrastitunity (or whatever happens after a History degree). Then I have a long and winding story about a 17th-century turkey who wasn't friendly to pilgrims! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

InedibleHulk, I finally finished my shit and earned my degree. I found the motivation somewhere and did it. High school teaching is a viable choice too haha. This story will be interesting. Sounds like it’s an adult version of the gobbledy gooker. Ladies and gentlemen, I am fucked here. DrewieStewie (talk) 08:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

DrewieStewie, whooo!!! Jet-flying, limousine-riding, yadda-yadda! Just remember not to steal any kisses from any high school student who tells you she's 21, especially if she's telling the truth, and do not, under any circumstances, rip off the cockpit door! Don't worry about the tall turkey tale for now, though, I forget two of the middle parts, which I seem to recall were the most important. Ask me again in November? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I’ll hold you to it. I better take your advice, if I don’t, Hannibal Buress might bust me real badly decades later. DrewieStewie (talk) 22:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Not to challenge a certified historical G, but I seem to recall Norm Macdonald at least subtly cracking Cosby's "good guy" image a solid decade or so before the American comedic justice system finally caught up with him. But yeah. I digress! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

When this comedic justice system requires real comedians to crack cases, that's when you know we need help. Time to bring in Chris Hansen, why dont you have a seat right over there Mr. Cosby. There's some chocolate Jello pudding there too and a copy of Ghost Dad, the best movie since the Noid ended half hour free pizzas that were made by Macaulay Culkin and his Pizza Underground, for your convenience. Just look out or else Eric Andre might troll your court deposition too! DrewieStewie (talk) 02:16, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

In case you're misremembering, Bill Cosby wasn't the sort of predator typically associated with pizza and Hansen and Culkin. That was Michael Jackson. Well, famously, anyway. Like that freak from The Outfield, Cosby liked his girls a little bit older. Still young enough to be his daughters and granddaughters, but aside from the drugging and raping, perfectly legal. The Noid, though, yeah. Even babies and grizzled old men should avoid that asshole, lest they become him. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Well, we still bringing Chris Hansen in on Cosby. It still works there! Hansen was getting big during the Jackson trial, coincidence? I think not! We definitely gotta avoid the Noid, now that he’s back. It better not make Culkin’s band soggy, oh wait too late. DrewieStewie (talk) 18:26, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Cosby could have simply kicked Hansen's ass, at least before he went blind. Stan Hansen could've sat him down (or laid him out). Not sure if he's legally blind yet, but was famously close enough. Same as Duggan. Having a linebacker beat him with a board while screaming "Ho!" might have been poetic justice. But at the time, the cancel crowd probably would have turned against Big Jim, called him worse than Jim Crow or something. Can't have that. I'm going to find out which cop actually arrested that unfunny joker, and send him a cartoonishly large and colourful mystery box as a gesture of aloof friendship. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

It definitely would be actually much more poetic justice than what occurred in 1993, or even 2004, thats for sure. I think it’s clear that Duggan is exempt from Speaking Out. Hopefully. I better not be wrong. DrewieStewie (talk) 20:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

He's done plenty of shoot interviews. And even more topless scenes. But I don't recall him insinuating any filthy famous indy promoter ever pressured him into taking off his shirt and "wrestling" since his moobs took their (dignified) final form, so yeah, you must be right. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Very true. Additionally, that sounds like more poetic justice than what happened in 1996, as well. Or even 1988, if you want to go there. DrewieStewie (talk) 00:47, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

All I'm saying is it looks pretty bad when you suddenly fall off the British radar on July 16, and only resurface on the 22nd. Sure, maybe the King of Pop had no reason to kill King Kong, but he definitely had the potential to go anywhere fast, and was a known master of disguise. In the right light, who's to say when an unmasked invader steps out of the shower, and a guy wearing Abdullah the Butcher's excess skin moonwalks in? You ever hear ol' Larry's "real" voice? Eerily high-pitched, almost as if there's still a skinny white '80s dude in there, somewhere, trying to get out and sing something from the rooftops...But I have no idea which A-list celebrity secretly got away with killing Tupac. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:21, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

I dispute the notion that King Kong was the target. All I’d say, the target is a surprise. Although, Maybe those libertarians got away with murder in Vegas that night, their alibi is more limited. DrewieStewie (talk) 02:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Not King Kong Bundy, obviously, or Bruiser Mastino. Those rumoured demises were an inside job and greatly exaggerated, respectively. A tight-lipped magician seems innocent enough to me, though; think you might need to get finished with a woman who couldn't help you with your mind (if you smell what the British are cooking). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Shit, you fooled me!. Though there might be some tight lipped killer that looks innocent enough. DrewieStewie (talk) 04:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Seriously, nothing in that article even tries to make that murderer look innocent. Just pathetically and fortunately unfit for court. Fortunately for him, anyway, not so much for the victims' friends, families and regular clients who may have noticed the system failing them again. On a lighter note, what do you think of the kid who killed Dean Corll? Or the hundreds of children Herbert Mullin very well may have saved from future earthquakes? Ever see "The Boy Who Predicted Earthquakes"? That's the saddest case of them all. But on the bright side, it's not like it could ever happen! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Shit, it could otherwise look innocent on the street without any knowledge of the past. Not Linda from Sesame Street innocent, but looks are deceiving. No different with sir Teller. DrewieStewie (talk) 07:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, Linda's clean enough. But if you want the straight unadulterated pure shit, go back and see Holly, Under the Umbrella Tree. She'll make you wonder long time! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Or you can go to Bert is Evil. That really found its way to the Middle East. Sounds like something Riley on the Boondocks would do: DrewieStewie (talk) 08:42, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Of course Bert turned evil alien, people put him down for living in the town he was born in! It ain't easy being yellow or black. At least when you're green, there's probably still time to worry about it later! Now you got me mad about Muppets, turned the tables in a wrong way, yip! Just don't say anything controversial or problematic about Fraggles, and I think we won't have to take this nutty crime drama outside to a noticeboard. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:01, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Muppets are maddening yet so pleasant. Forget the noticeboards, watch us conduct ourselves in this manner at the Reference Desk. Teehee DrewieStewie (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Party at Jimbo's, skinnamarink! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding your strange comments and edit summaries

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Bacondrum 23:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

• It appears I was wrong about your intent and simply didn't get your sense of humour. I apologise for claiming you were acting in bad faith. ANI report is withdrawn, all the best.

  As I said on your talk page, I have zero faith left in any of your sincerity, flipside or flop. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

  For those wondering if "apologise" and "all the best" above were meaningless words, he responded there with "Great, fuck off." InedibleHulk (talk) 00:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

  Please, never change. PackMecEng (talk) 00:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

  Too late, that "all the best" surprisingly worked within minutes, I'm rich! Well, soon-to-be comfortable, anyway. I'll try to stay humble, for old time's sake, but you know what the song says... InedibleHulk (talk) 01:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

  Congratulations, and enjoy your many riches. Bacondrum, would you please give me an "all the best" mojo too? Thanks! Randy Kryn (talk) 02:12, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

A Small Lesson

And wp:talk pages are for "discussing how to improve the article". they are not wp:forum's for discussing how people should read an article, or for venting out feelings about the subject.Slatersteven (talk) 13:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

And they're not for saying things that are untrue, especially when the false claim is presented as a retelling of something a BLP swore was true in court, clearly, as an impartial witness. If you want to insist your misreading is valid, fine. But don't try to pin it on a public official with an expert reputation to tar. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

wP:legal.Slatersteven (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

What are you trying to imply? InedibleHulk (talk) 13:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Slatersteven, if you're thinking about suing me, can you at least sleep on it? I think we're misunderstanding what the misunderstanding itself is, perhaps equally. I'm taking a Wikibreak regardless; if you leave some "formal notice" here, I won't be ignoring it to spite you personally, don't worry! InedibleHulk (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Accusing a user of lible, (even in an edit summary) can be seen as a violation [[10]], [[11]], and please do not reopen the now hatted thread, it violated wp:forum as you should have been well aware.Slatersteven (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I can't be held responsible for you or anyone else who takes the statement "Libel is undesirable" as an accusation against them. If you're not doing it, good, keep it up, just a reminder. But regardless of what you believe, infer or suspect to the contrary, the only things Baker, a highly-competent expert in his field said or wrote in this case meant exactly what he said they did. It's unfortunate that you stubbornly refuse to learn from your simple honest mistake in an unfamiliar subject, and treat the legit truth of the matter as if it's some unspeakable toxic horror. But as long as you remember to not libel anyone, that's your problem to overcome or ignore, as it suits you. I won't unhat what's hatted. But if someone asks again, truly wanting to know, of course I'll try to help them understand. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Big Lūʻau

I am having a Lūʻau in your honor. Plenty of Kālua puaʻa to go around. Enjoy your semi-retirement! Terjen (talk) 03:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

In my culture, pigs are too close to human to eat in excess without going neurotic (and eventually worse), but I'm not preachy or anything. Whatever's Hawaiian for "chow down", go for it, pragmatically beats wasting fine meat. I'll definitely check out the fermented exotic fruit trough, though, if it's open! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:44, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Was that a support?

Hey, was this comment a support to include that article in ITN? If so, you should make it clear.VR _talk 04:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, how are you doing these days? Its good to see you back.VR _talk 04:52, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

It was more supportive than not, but officially just a comment. Thought about supporting, but we would have lost, so why try? The important thing is we learned something. Not sure when or where I left, from your perspective, but yeah, good to see you've returned safely, too! It's a crazy world, eh? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey I saw you removed your comment from my talk. I'd been meaning to respond but just got busy with other (rather messy) things on wiki. I'm doing alright, I'm just so ready for this lockdown to be over.VR _talk 13:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Vice regent, good to hear. Thought the way I asked was rather messy as well, maybe a bit hard to answer. Best luck with those restrictions, and try not to get concussed on top of everything, sure wouldn't help! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:20, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Slumber party

Unfortunately there was no way to unrub the lamp. Slumber on! ---Sluzzelin talk 08:36, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

That dude could easily be a Gary Hart guy, in another life...so goodnight! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:33, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

And no, I don't know what I meant by that. I was tired! But yeah, thanks for that screenshot, huge Melodies fan, about time this place had one. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:55, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Of course the Genie went on strike when none other than the Inedible Hulk was around. DrewieStewie (talk) 10:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Tea

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I just noticed this virtual tea while drinking actual coffee. I didn't literally spit it all over the screen, but god knows I rhetorically almost did! Thanks for the chuckle-turned-compassionate mindfuck, brother, I'll pay it forward by the next full moon. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:03, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding our reversions

Hi InedibleHulk,

You wrote: "Small correction to what I said in my summary: The 101-year-old was not a Veltman, but a great-grandmother to many. You apparently noticed something more seriously wrong with the content I restored, and neither of us can read the other's mind, so I'm open to reading any specific complaints you might still have, either here or on that Talk Page. Ontarians and Albertans should "fight" cleanly and openly, if at all, I figure. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)"

You changed out the offending materials in your subsequent edits. There is still synthesis, but I re-wrote into what was clearly said. There was an attempt to combine co-workers/friends from two separate articles, and the chronology was also changed, i.e. from days to weeks, from what one person said to two people. Its now fixed. Albertaont (talk) 18:04, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I see, and admit I was a bit off in telling where one worker stops and another starts. I think I'll change one small "but" to "and", and spell out "3", but otherwise looks good, thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

If it's of Any interest to you (and I'm sure it is)

I posted something very cool and encyclopedic that you will like onto Rob Van Dam#Personal life. Yes, I actually purchased them and then proceeded to upload a picture onto Wikipedia. DrewieStewie (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Unbleached? How are you supposed to get high?!? Seriously though, a fine choice, too sweet! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:04, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

At that point you just got to rely on a good ass product. Fortunately in the bay/sac area, I know plenty of good suppliers here. Couldn’t resist after RVD himself shamelessly plugged his product during a segment with Matt Riddle and Great Khali this year at WrestleMania, and even gave some to Vinnie Mac at the HOF. Haha DrewieStewie (talk) 10:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I've heard Vince has long hated non-wacky tobacky smoke, but maybe this is different. Come on, everyone's doing it! Bit weird classifying this business as "Personal life", but probably not illegal, and certainly not a job for a lazy Sunday. No shortage between North Bay and Thunder Bay either. I don't technically "roll a fatty for this pimp daddy" that much anymore, but definitely still paying homage to Papa Bongo tonight! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:39, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Vince is more open minded on weed I’ve heard, according to interviews from people such as Jericho and Godfather. It’s at “Personal Life” because that’s where weed is mentioned in his article and the sentence for the business itself is too short for its own “business ventures” section. Shit, I’d have to consider visiting The Godfather’s club in Vegas sometime. Probably during summerslam weekend. DrewieStewie (talk) 03:32, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

All things considered, you did the right thing. In product placement, I mean. As far as visiting The Godfather "beyond the mat", that's a decision every fan has to make for themselves. Maybe there are no wrong answers. But I think Vegas would make me paranoid enough, without even considering Kama as a real person; not for me! Plus, I don't even know if I'm allowed to make a glorious U.S. return, what with the mystery miasma storyline and all. I might try to ask Billy Two Rivers for his autograph, if there's still time, maybe check out a lesser-known Hart House. Maybe see if Matt Cross still remembers my face. Party! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely! As for Godfather, all I needed to know was that he’s a raider fan. Enough for me to support that club. DrewieStewie (talk) 10:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Summary

I know you are, in your mind, bang-on hilarious, but please leave me out of you "stunning" edit summaries. I have a sense of humour, more so than many I think around here, but I do grow very tired of those who just can't do anything without appearing to try to be funny. By all means do all the other things you do, whatever they amount to, but leave me out of it. Thanks. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Fine. But the rest was serious. You do a better job of reminding society to stay healthy than Hancock did (IMHO). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:22, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:25, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for edit-conflicting me earlier to suggest the possibility of "bants", too. Seriously. Forced me to Google it, now I'm that much closer to understanding your self-styled brand of parched British wit. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:33, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I have no wit, just angst and schadenfreude. Obviously. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:37, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I see, but thought it better to let you word that. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:47, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Schadenfreude?? Wasn't she that sexy smooth jazz Viennese psychoanalyst?? -- Banty123 (talk) 19:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

No, next Fourth Reich Health Secretary. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Oooh, I could just see Matt in nice lederhosen and jack-boots. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:07, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I got here late due to the fires. Can someone explain wots going on? – Sca (talk) 22:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Another Hulk/Rambler love fest, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Pure coincidence: My latest bit of magical realism, Gloved in the Time of Covid, is due out next week. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Yeah, you should see the other guy's page, "better half" indeed. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Cutting it up and cutting it out

This encyclopedia is endlessly useful but it's a tedious place. In the immortal words of Bart Simpson, it is "dull — dull as a post". In my meager start at contributing, I'm already part of the problem, with edit summaries that are too darned earnest. Though it is obviously unwise, I take inspiration from you and would benefit from other role models. Can you point me to editors who offer some levity on the way to the straight dope, while not violating their terms of parole? --MadeOfAtoms (talk) 07:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

And another thing, consider this: If a literate adult reading five words per second for 12 hours per day were to read English Wikipedia from start to end, do you know how many lifetimes it would take to finish? The point is that it's too long. Again, like it or not, I take inspiration from you. Can you suggest other editors who judiciously cut more than they add, a sign of greatness. (No offense intended — didn't mean to suggest that you don't wreak havoc in other, irremediable ways). --MadeOfAtoms (talk) 07:31, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) "Gonna tear it up, gonna tear it out"? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Aaaaow, too hot! Stop dancing right now. This is serious scholarship. We are but specks in the relentless planetary dust storm of editors whose work is not done until humankind's vast catacombs of knowledge are raided and the boiling seas of elusive consensus are distilled to reveal the perfect sparkling glory. Oh, I'm feeling it now. Turn it up and get awn in. --MadeOfAtoms (talk) 11:34, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Glad you've decided to come after me (what?), in my wake (what?), for the interim. For brevity, there are none higher than the path you're on, but for levity, you've already met one of the Top Five. The rest also still lurk here in all that remains of so many words. Like an Uncle Traveling Matt, I look forward to watching you take a walk on the mild side in my shoes, brother, or as the crow spins it, "Follow Me"! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Oooowww!! A hot tub never looked so inviting! Yes, he can even dance with no shoes! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Indelible One and Martian Vans, if in fact those are your real names. Thank you for your gentle perspectives, warm words of encouragement, and cool tunes. Before you can stop me I want to say that I am grateful to you for relentlessly shoveling this ungainly verbal beast towards clarity, utility and precision. Any words of discouragement and disillusionment are also welcome for this impressionable dabbler. “Stay out of burning buildings”, says my fortune cookie, and “Do not open the cellar door”. But no, I wouldn't listen... –MadeOfAtoms (talk) 08:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Alas, my vans have a rather crusty bottom. If you want to see some real shoveling try these. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:43, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Wake me up when Elan and Jeff show up at your place to battle it out for the best landing site. –MadeOfAtoms (talk) 08:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey, now just hang on.... don't forget about Old Beardie!! Newport Taxi-vans 123 (talk) 09:37, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Our motto: "Fifty quid if you're sick on the back seat"

My bad. Thought that he'd already made the trip and was busy tidying up the crusty side. –MadeOfAtoms (talk) 10:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

lol. perhaps you mean this old beardie? Seems Richard prefers motorboating anyway? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

From Black Sabbath to Rainbow to Dio, what visionary genius doesn't enjoy a good vroom through the hills? Mike, I daresay. Mike Oldfield don't! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

As for Sir Dick, he's a top-notch visionary when it comes to fondly pursuing the heavenly orbs, but in grasping for the stars he may have grown too big for the best of his britches, prematurely staining his reputation. –MadeOfAtoms (talk) 12:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Pull the other one, Hulky, it's got bells on... "I'd rather be with you Than flying through space"! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

I used to think "Fluff" was a festive English jubilation, rather than just a smoother shade of fuzz. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

"Sergeant Butterman, the little hand says it's time to rock and roll." -- Alan "Fluff" Freeman 123 (talk) 22:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Man on the wire, bearding the brand, waiting for lightning to strike? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

MadeOfAtoms, since you twiddled it up, what exactly is Branson's problem? In a public perception way, I mean. Do regular hu-mans seem to hate him just because he's megarich? Are y'all still primally mad at Icarus, for some reason, and need someone with Twitter to take it out on? Or was there some clip/meme/"quote" making the rounds that the cool netizens can't believe I haven't clicked? A faux pas? Antisemitic rant? Racy upshort pics? I want to join the chorus of boos, but only if I won't look stupid or amateurish. So what's the skinny, Minnie? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

InedibleHulk, I can't speak for normal regular hum-ans as I'm a fan of things that are way too small to see, but I do admit to a touch of Icharus envy, at least regarding the first half of the ride. And it is all too easy to froth at the mouth and scold any eccentric zillionaire who has a controversy section in his BLP and money to burn on a mad escape. Seems likely that as a brave and bullet-proof can-do boss man, he's a magnet for ire against authority figures and against free spirited rebels at the same time. More to the point, with all the great things he's tried to do for the world, what's he hiding? Regretfully, I lack the reliable verifiable treasures and informational explosives that you conjure so enticingly, so perhaps there are better directions to aim my own gleeful jeering. Thank you for stopping the thread for a reality check but don't let me interrupt the bouncy vrooming. –MadeOfAtoms (talk) 07:37, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind hard evidence, that "seems likely" line seems likely enough to me. Vince McMahonitis, kinda. Icarus is alright, but my father is dead, not an inventor; still working hard on transplanting my third eye into a bird brain through natural psychedelics and artificial willpower instead (hardly working!). Whatever that grey knight's hiding, I'd wager it's in plain sight, nice and macro. But have fun with that fine-toothed comb, and keep on sweating the petty things, you'll uncover something more infosplosive in this microverse than John Ritter's modest coinpurse! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, those fathers of us are now dead as Daedalus and dispersed into atoms. On my planet we absorb a lot of our being from those dads, for better and for worse (and it goes without saying that mum's the word too). Left wandering in the labyrinth, we adopt gurus and colleagues to help us along, and more choice is involved. But the third eye is shifty and hard to box in. I'm starting to think that our task just comes down to inviting it to adopt us, not the other way 'round, which I'm hoping could happen if we slow down enough — give it room to help more than just squawk with alarm to our bird brains "Hey look where you're going!" –MadeOfAtoms (talk) 09:33, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

And thanks for the nudges to comb out the fleas.

Safe travels, whatever biochemical wings you choose. Hope you'll send a postcard of the turns that words can tell. –MadeOfAtoms (talk) 09:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Could be worse Martinevans123 (talk) 09:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Driving a new convertible through Bird Country today, fueled by dual heat exhaustion. I know it's cool to absolve the sun and sky of any wrongdoing lately, but still, I swear I saw the former's smile twist into a smirk by 1.5 degrees. Snapped a mental picture, will see what develops as things cool down, could be nothing! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:36, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I am old enough to remember when Branson was still cool. "The first single release for the label was Kevin Coyne's "Marlene" (b/w "Everybody Says"), taken from his album Marjory Razorblade and released in August 1973. Coyne was the second artist signed to the label after Oldfield." Still have my copy. What a humdinger. [12] Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC) p.s. organ by Jean Roussel.

YouTube is nasty, so nasty, leaves its poodles in charge. But thanks for the tip, sounds great remastered on Spotify. Weird...but great! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

As I think I've said before... But there are a few versions there. The B-side also glorious. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC) yes, lol

Daddy, let the sheep of peace out, let them graze around. Let them out to see me, oh, be me so peacefully. That's what I say! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Fun Fact: My fancy futuristic pressing of your Virgin record is two hours and twenty-eight fucking minutes along! It's still good, though, I'm a let 'er finish. With these swell solid-state styluses, there's no need to fear lettin' a big one rip. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:47, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Ey Up Me Duck. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

The only thing me Spotify muddah suggests by that name is a podcast by Ellie Ann Lowe, and I simply do not have the patience (to "deal with" these Cockney Caucasians?). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Bobby Eaton

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It was easy, just took time, might try again, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

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Can it wait? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

It apparently could. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:50, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Just remember... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Tenn. floods

Re deleted comment: Hands off, hamfist - no one's 'mocking' anyone! – Sca (talk) 15:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Sca, wrong diff (this one you meant) and wrong user. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:03, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

He technically didn't say "mocking", I made the same mistake (then my correction was also deleted). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, very sorry, my mistake. – Sca (talk) 18:32, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Boys will be boys. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Sincere Grimes and Promise Sample are missing

I don't usually use Wikipedia to help find missing children, but if anyone actually cares, that's Sincere Grimes from Millington, Tennessee and Promise Sample from Dallas, Texas. This is not a joke. These kids could be anywhere since May and August, respectively, it doesn't hurt to keep an eye out. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:32, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Eugeniusz Faber

Rather than revert my entire edit you could have simply just...corrected the double 'who'? Linking to the country violates WP:OVERLINK, the correct term is 'footballer' not 'football player', and the wording I introduced is standard in footballer bios. GiantSnowman 20:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't care about linking Poland or a silly typo. That is minor wording. But taking out the entirety of a man's chronological occurence in certain places is major omission. And I checked, it's not standard among his 1960 Olympic teammates, there is no standard. Some are more detailed than others, period. When a chunk comprises about half the stub, it's not even really detail, is it? You're just removing key dates and their meaningful connections to broader topics, for unknown reasons, like a giant snowman. I respect that! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Gold Dust Trio

Oi mate, who you are you calling a poof?? Watch out or I might get really nasty. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:58, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

That was "poof" in the "puff of smoke" sense, not Adrian Streetwise, guv. I thought I'd vanish, guess not! But if anyone's supposed to be mildly offended there, perhaps rubbed "the wrong way", indentation suggests it may be our heckler's problem. As for our deep shame and chagrin, I saw you at the Deaths talk, and yes, verifiability applies there! I think that "you again" remark may have been for me (I keep telling them, disabling Javascript is not some shady NYT "workaround", it just works). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Grovelling apology (and $50CAN via Paypal) fully accepted. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC) p.s. goats are people too, you know!

I'd sooner trust a goat with my money than the Internet. Unless it was one of those silk-making goats. Call me a xenophobe, but that's alien and suspicious! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

OMG! I feel faint. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

As I said, YouTube is nasty. So nasty! I'll assume that's something about those ruminants, though...poor little bastards! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Did someone mention dogs? [13] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Once or twice. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

The cats mee-yow, The dogs bow-wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Then "The Spell of Doom" came true! (Page 29, if you're hasty.) InedibleHulk (talk) 22:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Holy crap, it's Bonzo again! I'll have to remember that for later. Browser YouTube is for the gulls! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

"Grunewald's finest", I'm sure.... and here's my deeply touching Jacko tribute! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

That one's too generic to Google. Unless it's exactly the 1939 scene it seems. In that case, I don't get it! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Who you callin' a witch, honey? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Witchy Woma? Now that's beyond this online sleuth's deduction! I'll just take the money and run. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I "kid", of course, meh! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

There ya go. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

All that loads without Javascript is "Take The Mo...". So at least it rhymes with "go". And that's all the truth I know, yo. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Surreal Barnstar From Elijahandskip

		The Surreal Barnstar
		I love your edit summaries. They always give me a laugh. Keep up the good work! Elijahandskip (talk) 18:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I already have one of these, but I can wear two with pride and symmetry. You keep up that fine news work, too! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

And Paul Neberra sends you.... a surreal starfish! [14]. Minnie Evans 123 (talk) 16:39, 21 October 2021

I know exactly where I'll hang that piece. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Akane Yamaguchi

Hello. Help copy edit for the article. Thanks you. Omomp (talk) 02:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Due to circumstances, I am unable to grant this wish till November 2, at the earliest. Thanks for understanding, and have a nice day! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Wait, I remember you! Remembered her, anyway. You were someone else back then. And as I told that someone two years ago, I already did my bit. Still seems like a damn fine player, but I am not the editor you seek anymore, cheers to awareness! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Really important question

Settle a bet. [15] Is he saying "Conclusion came to you" or "The clues, they came to you"? Levivich 19:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Inclusion came to you, I say. That's from the "normal" version, though. Not sure which you linked; I repeat, browser YouTube is "nasty". InedibleHulk (talk) 22:23, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

No, no, I'm not asking you what you say, I'm asking what he's saying. Levivich 01:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

He's, like, making a statement, dumbass. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

And no, let no one take my expression to suggest real dumbness has stricken our dear Levivich, I think we're just "happy". InedibleHulk (talk) 03:25, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Well here's a question I know is dumb: what does "inclusion came to you" mean in that context? Levivich 04:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm the one who likes all their pretty songs. I don't know what they mean. Maybe something along the lines of Make a Pest a Pet, all the animals we've trapped; were they "Asking For It"? I say, old chap, they were forced to assimilate. Something in the way, with holes poked for drippings, see? InedibleHulk (talk) 04:43, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

This is just a guess and wouldn't help you if it could, but think salamander, not about a girl. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

That's my problem, it's definitely about a girl not a pet, it's one of his feminist songs, and that totally makes sense if it's "In clues it came to you", which I think I'm going with for my final answer. Wish me luck, lifeline! If only Kurt had annunciated a little better... Levivich 05:14, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Your clues are a jar, some grass and a laundry room. I knew girls back then, they weren't into stuff like that. Even if you want to think pink, I still think involuntary inclusion in a happy male's world "fits" better than some vague clues, but whatever, have fun losing your shirt! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey, wait, I got a new conjecture. The clue is in the first line: a turtle doesn't save herself, but a person might (for marriage), and that might make him happy. Inclusion in the male world makes sense, but what if it's "occlusion came to you", as in suffocating, because he didn't give you breathing holes anymore. And/or it's a suicide reference. Levivich 06:16, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Simpson, a salamander is not a turtle! And were it so, of course it would. Turtles are basically the armadillos of cold-blooded killers, ducking all day. A tortoise, now there's a fella who lets it all hang out. Cut off that head, little boy sad, but cut off Sappy Sally's tail and thrill at her regenerative powers! Also make great fools, amaze your friends. Seriously, it's a song from the primal depths of a stunted mind, which some quacks label the "reptilian" phase, but it's not like that, keep it simple, he wasn't a complex Corganesque rat scribe, just loved animals poorly and never got over it, so turned to horse and filled in the blanks, case closed! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Less importantly, No, he clearly used "the N sound", occlusion sucks, huh-huh. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:47, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, bonus question: what is the difference between aqua sea foam shame and regular shame? Levivich 21:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I had to Google that one, sadly-not-sadly. I must have mistaken them for nonsense syllables. Or must've I? InedibleHulk (talk) 13:47, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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If that's how everyone thought, then... VR _talk 05:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Something like Jimbo. But newer. And more improved. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at List of programs broadcast by Disney Channel, you may be blocked from editing. Amaury • 06:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not unconstructive to use a dubious tag on dubious unsourced info, that's its purpose, finding consensus. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:42, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Biden & Trump

FWIW, I've given up (quite some time ago) on NPoV ever being achieved at Donald Trump or Joe Biden articles. GoodDay (talk) 03:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I can tell, good work, fuck it! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to work on making Scott Hall seem more popular than Kevin Nash instead of the current and wrong way around, but only maybe in spring, feel free to start or finish that greater American bash without me, brother! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

You're going to be frustrated. GoodDay (talk) 02:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I was born frustrated, buddy! But yeah, thanks for the reminder. I'll take February off, what's the worst that can happen 28 days later? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:24, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Repeat the Mantra - Biden good, Trump bad & Obama good. Moderate Democrats good, progressive Democrats bad & Republicans bad. Fox news bad, MSNBC news good, CNN good. What's the result? NPoV impossible. GoodDay (talk) 02:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

With glowing hearts, we see thee rise, the True North strong and free. From far and wide, O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:POINT

This IP is clearly WP:NOTHERE, so WP:DENY is an appropriate response. Yes, Muboshgu jumped onto their thread to make a point instead of ignoring it, so it escaped immediate reversion like the rest of their vandalism, but you were aware of the IP's behaviour as you edited the page before any of it had been reverted, with an edit summary mocking acknowledging the IP. So I didn't appreciate this snark. Please just start a new thread so we can keep constructive discussions separate from the disruptive behaviour of vandals. Jr8825 • Talk 03:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Having a little fun with the word "sux" is a far cry from mocking the speller or assuming a trolljob. If you want to collapse his or her portion, that's more understandable. If you think I'm not here to build an encyclopedia and get along, you're honestly mistaken. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I would've outright deleted the thread, but as a semi-productive discussion had started following your comment I collapsed it (prior to your revert) instead to preserve your efforts. I respect you as an editor and my comment ("clearly intended as trolling") was aimed towards the IP, not you. Perhaps I could've said "initiated" instead; I'm sorry if you thought it was directed at you. What irritated me was your suggestion I was inappropriately assuming bad faith (perhaps this was due to miscommunications) and your sarcastic olive branch to the obvious vandal, as well as re-opening the thread – I'm sure you'd agree that on that talk page of all places non-specific threads opened in obvious bad faith are best not left open. Even if they move in a productive direction, they're unlikely to stay that way. Jr8825 • Talk 04:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I got who you meant you thought was trolling, vandalizing and acting in bad faith. Just, given your inclusion of my work under the same banner, making it extra clear I'm not "them". You're also ascribing sarcasm and pacifism to my serious question now; with respect, please stop guessing between the lines. Other than that, deny, delete or derail discussions you dislike however you want going forward. I'm done dealing with goddamned Trump opinions, cheers! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Von Erich family curse

Hi - I ran across this via an ANI discussion about an editor not citing sources. He added this to a list of notable people in Denton County, of course with no sources. I know the story about the curse is real, my problem is I don't know which of the many sources is reliable, I'm clueless about wrestling sources. This doesn't seem enough, although probably reliable. Is this reliable? I'm willing to add a ref if you can find one for me. Doug Weller talk 08:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Ahoy, Doug Weller. Neither of those is exactly a wrestling source, but as it's a "real" story of death and dynasty (not an angle), I don't think they need to be. Deadline seems acceptable around here for films, which this urban legend has become, may be useful. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Forgot about this. I've used Deadline for the first part. I'm not going to bother about the rest, life's too short, but as I'd discussed it with a new editor I thought I should at least source part of it. Doug Weller talk 14:58, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Every bit helps, that's the moral. Someone else will find the rest in good time. Everyone remember to play safely with guns, drugs and electricity, if at all, and we can all start living longer today! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Your edit on Donald Trump's Talk page

You wrote "You don't "have to" echo verbatim the opinions of political writers who work for outlets with openly stated interests in ousting and keeping Trump from office. You could choose to believe the objective autopsy reports completed by experienced doctors instead. Their factual findings are also covered by the NYT, WaPo and the rest" I must say I agree but unfortunately many editors on Wikipedia want to echo verbatim the political writers who have views that are the same as the editors' views. Until the hyperpartisanship in America calms down there is no way to avoid this.Nerguy (talk) 02:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not trying to avoid it. I'm trying to calm it down. It may very well not work, given the massive propaganda campaign sowing fear and distrust of all who even question its applicability to plain old truth, but stranger things have happened before. Anyway, nice meeting you. Do you know of a less jealously guarded article I might help improve tomorrow? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

For the record

Yes, face value, not sarcastic. WaltCip-(talk) 23:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Cool. I was leaning that way, but it wouldn't have been the first time I saw PEI or Saskatchewan damned with faint praise from populous places. Poor little guys, they try. Or it might have been a "WOW, Alberta and Quebec at odds with the Liberals, BIG surprise..." sort of wet blanket. Glad that's settled, just WOW! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Vandal Harassment

Hey InedibleHulk! I was wondering where I can report a vandal for harassment? This IP vandal reverted my edit and wrote "TDKR Chicago you Gay Bastard" on both Adam West's edit summary and my talk page. I deleted his comment on my talk page but keeps writing on it with the same thing. This user has also been engaging in an edit war in two wiki articles (Jean Paul Belmondo and Adam West). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

It's because he changes to a younger black and white photo of the subject instead of the more recent colored one on the infobox. 121.122.73.32 (talk) 03:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) IP blocked. --Kinu ^t/_c 04:11, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Always nice to meet a stalker! Come here often? Best of luck, TDKR, and see WP:ANI if anything similar pops up. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:25, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Terry Fox run

I giggled at this edit summary. Thanks for the laugh</nowiki> Star Mississippi 02:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! Seriously, it's hard for an online comic to read the room. Knowing at least one landed somewhere is virtually priceless. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:35, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

96,000th edit celebration

Hit the music! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Weather of 2022 recent contribution

Hello InedibleHulk. I wanted to let you know that one of your recent contributions to Weather of 2022 was reverted as you removed a fatality from one of the charts, but did not remove it from the other chart and timeline. This was not a revert of disagreement, just merely a revert to keep numbers accurate. The fatality has been fixed, due to another editor questioning the fatality as well. In the future, please change the timeline and both charts when removing/adding a fatality. Thank you for your contributions to the article and Wikipedia! Elijahandskip (talk) 18:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I was accused of vandalizing the article because I apparently didn’t edit in a manner that was consistent with his standards, so I wouldn’t worry about the above message. United States Man (talk) 18:22, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry for the message from United States Man above. The message above stemmed from a talk page discussion/debate on his talk page. Please disregard the message from United States Man and just see the notification (not message) from me about one of your contributions being reverted. Have a good day InedibleHulk! Elijahandskip (talk) 18:27, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Just giving context about someone getting bent out of shape over a non-issue and then trying to back out of the situation. United States Man (talk) 18:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, United States Man wants to drag you in, so I am sorry. More context: I reverted your edit without an edit summary (mistake on my part), then USM reverts my original revert, I then revert the revert by USM saying I am not disagreeing, just please remove the corresponding fatality from the article to keep accuracy. That was the issue starting point when USM reverted it without updating the article and then the talk page discussion began. Please disregard all messages from me and USM in this entire conversation. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for adjusting the number. I should have, I know. We all fuck up sometimes, humans are awesome! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Quartering troops in your house

This is the dome that Ruth built the independence declaration, constitution+amendments 1-10. Kept in 100% slightly humid argon gas in massive bulletproof cases of metal and UV-block glass for preventing the millions of I guess camera flashes from aging it and locked in multi-ton bombproof vaults at night.

I don't know anything about your constitution so maybe you didn't know house troops is a real amendment (Third Amendment to the United States Constitution. Entire text: "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."). It's the only amendment in the main bulletproof sarcophagus that isn't relevant anymore (no one's been anti-3A in 240 years and it's never really been violated) and Amendment II is the one with the most enthusiastic and sometimes aggro lovers and haters so extremely pro-Amendment III bumper stickers etc are sometimes used for humor. Even funnier is that a simple II on a car and a simple III on a car both support the same Amendment but it looks like the III cars are anti-quartering — the III cars are estimating that III% of USA's gunowners would singlehandedly fight anything to the death (even an army enforcing a gun ban amendment) if that was the only way to have gun access for the rest of their life (no one ever seems to estimate II% or IV%). The reason amendment III exists is that British troops forced some Americans to let them live in their house and leer at its attractive females in about 1766-1781 (more like 1774-1781), it's even a grievance in the declaration of independence and after that brief 1765 and 1774 law period (related to the war when France lost Canada and east of Mississippi River, French now far away but troops started living in houses) it never became relevant again. Besides Engblom v. Carey (state militia in prison-owned apartments of striking guards without their permission was illegal cause 3rd amendment, but this only time the 3rd amendment was violated was completely legit cause New York State is a non-psychic state, but authorizing this "states are states" and "not psychic" loophole also closes the loophole effective essentially immediately. Yes that's essentially the reason given) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

"A party or witness in any proceedings who does not understand or speak the language in which the proceedings are conducted or who is deaf has the right to the assistance of an interpreter." I hear you on much of that, so thanks for stopping by (grab a beer and stay as long as you want), but have this "crazy friend" who probably knows way more than I do about Canadian republican energy or whatever, might be fun. I bid you GoodDay! InedibleHulk (talk) 12:47, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I've not a clue, what's being debated. GoodDay (talk) 17:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Not a debate at all (unless I'm wrong). Just a long and winding conversation that started at ITN/C as a small question about Trudeau's new superpowers, jumped to SMW's talk and wound up here. Anyway, as a witness to these proceedings, you're entitled to (not obligated to) call your own interpreter. The important thing is the cabinet is just a cabinet again, Russia is the heel again and America is on the road again. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I wonder how 2006 TV executives would react if a big writer tried to get the real future made into a TV show. Writer would be like "... okay and then plot twist tape of Trump saying he grabs by the pussy leaks right before debate, where he says he'd jail his opponent if he won, then he wins by a lot ... okay and after the Trump coup fails the old stutterer wins, then a British Columbia town reaches 50°C and burns down next day, then Tokyo Olympics is so humid an archer collapses mid-competition, then the millionth American dies of the virus, then some Canadians blockade everything cause mask hurt facey, then the blackface guy starts martial law, then 5 hours after it ends Russia starts conquering Ukraine. Oh and the Olympics, they ski jump in what looks like a giant nuke plant and the ground is brown for miles and miles except the one Evel Knievel ramp. Then they play the World Cup in Qatar..." Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 08:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Now you're speaking my language, "kiddo"! It almost makes the script they went with look nostalgic. Don't forget Ronda Rousey dominating human cockfighting, appropriating a kilt with pride and winning the Royal Rumble for Eddie without a mask. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:49, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I always thought kilts would've looked better on women, presumably kilts aren't unisex cause Medieval women didn't show ankle and that skirt length would hinder troops. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I have it on good authority that the full-length gowns worked wonderfully. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Lol. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Spelling and the Khmer Rouge

"Who trained you to spell like that, Pol Pot?"[16] Is that your idea of a joke? Cut it out. Bishonen | tålk 10:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC).

It's the setup. The payoff (in theory) is "Constructive criticism aside...". But yeah, it's not a great joke, forget it. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory

Moved from Talk:Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory

I don't know if this is the place to discuss the clarification section, but can somebody fill me in on to what alleged corruption by Hunter Biden refers? I don't see something like this in either article. If Hunter Biden is allegedly corrupt (truly or falsely), I think this "Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory" article could and should encapsulate both Bidens (and key Ukrainians). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Anything either corroborating or contradicting "claims centered on the false allegation that while Joe Biden was vice president of the United States, he engaged in corrupt activities relating to the employment of his son, Hunter Biden, by the Ukrainian gas company Burisma", if such content exists. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

InedibleHulk, I'm sorry for any misunderstanding. That is likely my fault and I have added markup above to hopefully make clear the topic of this RfC. Here it is: "WHAT content SOLELY about the laptop and emails is clearly necessary for this article?" The question of alleged corruption by anyone is off-topic in this RfC. We need to know what parts, if any, of the content about the laptop and emails should stay here before moving all of it to the Hunter Biden article where it really belongs. -- Valjean (talk) 03:24, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

You make a big point of saying : To be clear, the false conspiracy theory asserts that Joe Biden misused his position as Vice President to pressure the firing of a prosecutor who might investigate Hunter Biden and expose his alleged corruption. The facts say otherwise, but what content from the laptop and emails debacle is related to exactly THAT conspiracy theory? How can alleged corruption be both off-topic and exactly what the article/conspiracy theory is all about? And why can you assert without evidence that Hunter Biden, a BLP, is alleged to be corrupt, but I can't ask where you read that? What good is a Request for Comment if you're just going to keep moving and boxing up responses? If there's an answer you want, just state it and ask for Yes or No votes, it'd probably be easier than repeatedly changing the question. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

InedibleHulk, you ask "How can alleged corruption be both off-topic and exactly what the article/conspiracy theory is all about?" Answer: Because the conspiracy theory is about allegedly corrupt actions by Joe Biden, not really about any possible corruption by Hunter Biden. That's another topic, although there is a tangential connection. Unfortunately, as noted above, this discussion is off-topic in the RfC, so we're wasting time. That's why this is hatted.

For your sake, I'll try to get you back on track. The topic of this RfC is about the laptop/emails, not about the conspiracy theory itself. Consider it a walled garden and you're right outside the wall. Don't try to solve or resolve the conspiracy theory, although you still need to know what it's about, ergo what's inside the garden.

Question (of this RfC): Does the laptop/email material have anything to do with the conspiracy theory?

Answer: No. They do not provide any information relevant to Joe Biden's actions in getting the prosecutor fired. His actions were public, part of his job, and done to carry out the will of the U.S.A. and the international community, which all wanted the corrupt prosecutor removed because he wasn't doing his job to investigate corruption in Ukraine, including alleged corruption at Burisma. His investigation of Burisma, where Hunter Biden was on the Board, had stalled and wasn't going anywhere. The prosecutor wasn't doing his job. By getting him fired and replaced with a prosecutor who would really investigate corruption, Joe Biden actually put his son in more jeopardy, that is if Hunter had been acting corruptly. Do you understand now? -- Valjean (talk) 17:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Will you please stop disrupting and hijacking the RfC for off-topic matters? Also stop adding comments in the wrong section. The DISCUSSION section is to find. Do you really want to be dragged to a drama board for disruption? -- Valjean (talk) 17:28, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

In an RfC, the answers to the question go beneath it. The discussion section is for related discussion. I think you're being disruptive by repeatedly deleting my contributions and refusing to verify allegations of corruption against a living person. Not his dad, not his company. Cite it or strike it. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

This is not a normal RfC. It is only for discussion with no voting. It starts with my statement and the discussion goes in the Discussion section. Also, you keep adding comments that are not part of the RfC. Stick to the topic of the existing laptop/emails content in the article. -- Valjean (talk) 17:41, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

There was no indication that this is an abnormal RfC. Now that I know, sure, move my answer. But stop saying things like It is primarily about allegedly corrupt actions by Joe Biden if you actually mean The question of alleged corruption by anyone is off-topic in this RfC. And if you don't want me mentioning the email found on the laptop about the meeting, described in the lead of this article, stop overemphasizing those exact keywords. It's contradictory and confusing, not a "clarification". For my sanity, I'll let you direct your pseudo-RfC as only you see fit, but unless you cite your baseless allegations of alleged Hunter corruption, a criminal offense, I may bring it to the BLP noticeboard. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

please do not go low with me

thank you

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory&diff=1079645645&oldid=1079643016

soibangla (talk) 22:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Not intended lowly, just in recognition of what you said about not knowing certain things and leaving them out, I support it. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:21, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

It is known NYT did not mention Pozharskyi. It is known the Politico article was extensively discussed and did not achieve consensus for inclusion. soibangla (talk) 22:26, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

This page is under Consensus Required DS. I suggest a self-revert. SPECIFICO talk 22:32, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

The problem here is the summary, not the edit. I think. If so, I can't revdel. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I did not "cite" Wikipedia as an article source. I pointed you to longstanding content deep in the article that evidently many have not fully read to clarify why your edit is inaccurate and thus misleading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory&curid=65592329&diff=1079650059&oldid=1079649599

soibangla (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Zaathras fixed it. Looks fine, excuse my word choice. Back to basics, it is known that the emails were authenticated by people familiar with them and the investigation. You think that means some of them. I interpret differently. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Zaathras improved it, but did not correct your more fundamental error. I regret to inform you that you interpret incorrectly. soibangla (talk) 22:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

What fundamental error? The meeting wasn't shown in October 2020 or via email and there were no witnesses. There were dinner guests, Joe's personal friends, at an unrelated event described in May 2021. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

There was a dinner in DC. Joe stopped by to see an old friend. A witness with no known relationship to Joe, and Joe's friend, said he didn't even sit down. It isn't confirmed Pozarskyi attended. The NY Post characterized this as a "meeting." It wasn't. Separately, two Biden guys, Carpenter and Hochstein, said they'd never heard of Pozarskyi, but didn't specifically comment on the dinner. This is why your change is fundamentally inaccurate and causes a reader to conclude that only Joe's staff denied the dinner meeting and, well of course they would, right? Because, you know, they're covering up for Joe. soibangla (talk) 23:16, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

There was no talk of a dinner at all until May 2021. It's just a vague meeting before then, maybe past, maybe future. The sentence I edited was and is about the initial dispute, of which Leach and Karloutsos took no part. That sentence notes no dinner, nor its reference, so "witnesses" suggests somebody saw something previously mentioned. Even if it was about a dinner, it'd be more appropriate to call them guests or attendees; crimes, trials and contract signings have witnesses. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

No, no, no. There was only one purported meeting, at the DC dinner. Not in Kyiv when Joe visited, not anywhere else, not ever. Please read the article, check the refs. Slowly. Deeply soibangla (talk) 23:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Fuck that, I've seen what obsession over these petty details does to people, I'm going to concentrate on a video walkthrough of Kirby's Dream Land. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Please restore the original language unless/until you gain consensus for your material change, which is inaccurate and misleading. Thank you. soibangla (talk) 00:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

No. The original language isn't supported by the reference, and sounds stupid. You want that back, you do it. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:35, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

It's supported in the body. Your language is supported nowhere. It is wrong. soibangla (talk) 00:37, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

No. Even in the dinner paragraph, it says "attendee". The source there also knows better than to claim them as "witnesses". InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Leach and Karloutsos were witnesses. Biden staff/officials were not. Biden's guys said nothing about the dinner. Your edit is wrong. Bye. soibangla (talk) 00:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Прощай. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The word "dinner" occurs eight times in the article, but all in a single paragraph. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:48, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

A cookie poutine for you!

Well, now you're at a hundred, lets see if you can up that 60%, why don't we? Happy Editing--IAmChaos 06:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't want to go through the effort of the make your own tab on WikiLove, so I've modified it to something a bit more Canadian for ya. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 06:21, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I forget how, but that's rarely stopped me before! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) there my bad. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 06:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)