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DYK

The DYK nomination for Pitfalls has already been reviewed, but it's stuck in limbo because the former reviewer personally didn't like my hook. If you like it, would you pass it? Don't wanna get in another Vampyr (video game) situation where it's rewritten behind my back. Cognissonance (talk) 14:49, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Cognissonance, I have to agree with the two existing reviewers that neither hook is particularly interesting from a first glance. I won't immediately comment on the nomination page itself, but you should consider proposing additional hooks, possibly some related to the album as a whole rather than just one song of it. Lordtobi (✉) 14:33, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Created another alternative hook. Cognissonance (talk) 19:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

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Request to semi protect the lego star wars complete saga page

Hi because 2 IP's that are 10 minutes from each other that have caused disruptive editing at Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga, I think we should semiprotect the page from 2 weeks to 1 month and send warnings to the IP's. (the 50 whatever one has been blocked in the past 4-5 times already for vandalism and/or disruptive editing and maybe should be permanently blocked) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.29.100 (talk) 20:00, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Request to Semi protect the Lego Star Wars Skywalker Saga page until a release date is confirmed

Knowing that any disruptive editing from this page happens because of added release dates that aren't confirmed, we should probably semi-protect this page until a date is confirmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.29.100 (talk) 17:56, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Protecting pages is outside my realm of power. I requsted protection for this page at WP:RFPP, where it is still in queue. There isn't much more I can do at the moment. Lordtobi (✉) 18:16, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

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Eurovision Song Contest 2020

Hi IceWelder, even though Netflix is a video on demand service it is still a broadcaster for the United States and should be listed with the other broadcasters. In the United States Netflix is actually a bigger broadcaster than ESC's previous home on Logo TV. Just because one broadcaster is linear and the other is streaming/on demand shouldn't make a difference as other non-participating countries have delayed broadcasts of Eurovision in the past. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 22:24, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Alucard 16, unlike Logo TV, Netflix will not broadcast the show live under the signed agreement, so there is not going to be any commentary unless they add it in post. This latter part is highly unlikely, though, and unless we certainly know that there will be such commentary (we don't), there should be no speculative "TBA". Same with the 2019 contest; if there is no commentary, why list it under commentators in the first place? We do not have a "No commentary" for the YouTube live show either. IceWelder [✉] 22:30, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Other non-participating countries with a delayed broadcast and no commentators are listed in that section. Omni Television for Canada in 2019 is the most recent example of this. It seems in recent years that section is being used to list any country airing the contest even if they don't have commentators. However you can't just say we can't list a country there if there was no commentator since Israel (a participating country) had no commentators under the IBA but does now under IPBC. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 22:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

If a broadcaster does not have a commentator, it should not be listed in the commentators section as it would be completely redundant. It should not matter whether the country participated or not. For Netflix specifically, I'd also like to point that at least the 2019 contest is not exclusive to the US (I was watching it just recently). It is techinically also not a broadcaster; it has no scheduled broadcasts at all and is on-demans only, just like the Eurovision YouTube channel. Other on-demand services aren't listed anywhere either. IceWelder [✉] 22:58, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Maybe as a solution the section could be re-titled to "Broadcasters, commentators and spokespersons" to remove any concerns. I'm unaware of any other country being able to watch ESC 2019 via Netflix as all the sources just specify the United States including the one from the official Eurovision website. I get what your saying but having one section with one sentence about the Netflix release in the United States gives it undue weight. Excluding it completely would also be wrong. Simply including the United States with Netflix as the broadcaster with a note of some-kind would be a better solution which doesn't give undue weight to a single non-participating country. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 23:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Your solution sounds feasible for broadcasters that have not had any commentary. However, I still firmly believe that Netflix (or any other VOD service that already has it, reallt) is different in that it has no live commentary because it is not live and will probably never be. One could argue that the VOD release section could be included in the broadcasters' section, but I'm not sure in how far this should differ from the much related "official DVD" release. Maybe this discussion needs a wider scope and consensus from more parties in the WikiProject. IceWelder [✉] 10:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Your probably right about the need for a wider discussion but the United States/Netflix situation is unique one. Canada and United States are still geo-blocked from the YouTube live streams so if someone doesn't pick up local rights to Eurovision those countries can't watch the contest. Even this year's allocation draw live stream was geo-blocked. If it wasn't for Netflix picking up the on-demand streaming rights for the United States for both 2019 and 2020 then there would be no way US viewers could watch at all. This is why Netflix should be listed as a broadcaster for the United States. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 20:26, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, why you fixed form of infobox in all contest pages? For example, in 1995 we have countries that return and withdrawn. But your correction is fair only for 2020 edition. So, because of you, we have wrong information about other contests. Again, 1995... Return (after at least 1 year of not-participating): Belgium, Denmark, Israel, Slovenia, Turkey. "Non-return": Estonia, Finland, Lithuania, Netherlands, Romania, Slovakia, Switzerland. Hmmm, where is Luxembourg? They "non-return" too, where is Morocco, Monaco?! In all contests (exclude 2020) we need "withdrawn" countries because they participated last year, but decided to WITHDRAW from this year. Think about it! Georgii Kalnitzky_{❯❯❯ chat?} 15:19, 23 March 2020 (UTC+4)

How did any of the seven non-returning countries you list withdraw in 1995? They were relegated and never signed up to participate that year. Withdrawing requires something to actively withdraw from (you can look this up in any dictionary), and Eurovision participation is not perpetual. This has been discussed, and consensus was to change to "Non-returning". Also, if, by your definition, "non-returning" is not limited to just the previous year, then "returning" isn't either and would need to list all countries that participated, as they returned in 1995 after also participating 1994. IceWelder [✉] 11:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I understand I won't change this. That discussion is so silly. So, solution is given by yourself. Than you have to correct all contest pages. In 1995 and other "return" write all participated countries. And in your "non-return" all non-participated countries. And don't forget add 2005 Lebanon, Tunisia 1977 as withdrawn entries! Bye. Georgii Kalnitzky_{❯❯❯ chat?} 16:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC+4)

Not sure whether you actually checked the discussion, since I didn't present the solution, just implemented it. Also not sure why we should add Lebanon for 2005 and Tunisia for 1977 since it longer says "withdrawn", just "non-returning", and neither of the two countries competed in the respectively previous contest. We should have added them if it still said withdrawn, as well as Montenegro 2011 and others, but the concept of "withdrawing" was always misrepresented on Eurovision articles. IceWelder [✉] 12:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok, then "refused" more better than "non-returned". Georgii Kalnitzky_{❯❯❯ chat?} 16:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC+4)

"Non-returning" is a catch-all phrase for the countries that withdrew (ex. Montenegro 2011, Ukraine 2019), that were relegated (ex. Lithuania 1995), that chose not to participate voluntarily (ex. Turkey 2013), that did not qualify from a pre-round (ex. German 1996), or that were disqualified (ex. Romania 2016). "Refused" or "withdrew" would only cover one of these, even if "withdrawn" was incorrectly used for all of them in the past. IceWelder [✉] 12:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

The Witness

Hi! I see you mention my old account name (AdrianGamer) in your user page, but I don't recall working on The Witness. I am not even a minor contributor and I never have the article watchlisted. I don't think I really deserve that credit. I am sure there are other co-contributors, but I am definitely not one of them. Maybe you should give that credit to someone else instead😂? OceanHok (talk) 18:16, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

OceanHok, you're right, although I could swear to have seen your name somewhere when listing this credit. I changed it to other people significantly contributing to the article around the time of the article's GA-becoming. To be fair, though, you have been such a valuable VG member for so long I wouldn't have had any problem giving you some free exposure. Cheers. IceWelder [✉] 18:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

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What do you mean "not in the template"? How can we add Forbes to the template? --RenewableMan^MESSAGE 10:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

YenilenebilirAdam, you only added Forbes to the documentation of the template, meaning that it will appear on the page of the template but is not be a functional parameter within the template. Adding a new reviewer requires consensus on the template's talk page. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 11:21, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. --RenewableMan^MESSAGE 11:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Entertainment Software Publishing

Hi there, can you inspect the Entertainment Software Publishing article please? It's grammatically informal and only has one citation, thank you. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 23:50, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

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Just saying Hello!

Hey there Lordtobi, or as I should call you now: IceWelder!

I noticed you've changed your username, and I like it!

I'm trying hard to get back into video games again, so you might see me frequent those pages if I can.

This is Harry, signing off! Luigitehplumber (talk) 01:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Eurovision 2021

Removing an entire page for Eurovision 2021 is ridiculous when you know full well the contest is back next year as normal. The page is valid as it clearly states that the location of the event is still being considered. It's the same scenario as what happens after a country wins and initial talks haven't yet started. There's no need for the page to be blanked. DaleYorks (talk) 14:37, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The page is a clear-cut case for WP:TOOSOON and always has been since it was created. It should not have been created before the 2020 edition took place. Now that the 2020 one has has been cancelled, however, the 2021 edition will not be a contest "as usual": It is not known whether new entries will be selected or whether the 2020 ones can take part; it is not known which country will host it (they are in discussion with Rotterdam, but that does not mean anything at this point) since there will have been no 2020 winning country; etc. IceWelder [✉] 14:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, not sure if it was a mistake of yours (or me missing something), but I re-added Spain and the Netherlands.[1] --Semsurî (talk) 14:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Friendly reminder

Hi IceWelder, I saw the recent activity over at {{Infobox song contest}} and I left a friendly message over at Aris Odi's talk page advising the editor of the recent consensus that lead to the change, how to open a new discussion if they feel the change is incorrect and advising them of editing policies such as the three-revert rule. If the issue continues to escalate and all other methods fail please seek out full protection for the infobox. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 10:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Report moved to ANI

Hi IceWelder,

to allow discussion and further comments, and to prevent automatic removal at WP:AIV, I have moved the report to WP:ANI#JanaMelitzana reported by IceWelder.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Period in or out of quotation mark

Regarding this, are you sure that is correct? Per MOS:LQUOTE, it says, "Include terminal punctuation within the quotation marks only if it was present in the original material." The source in question says, "could spark fresh interest in an industry that has struggled to win over hardcore gamers." with a period in the original source. If this is not a situation in which the period would go inside the quotation mark, then I don't understand the difference between the two scenarios. Useight (talk) 22:15, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Useight, the statement that is important here is keep them inside the quotation marks if they apply only to the quoted material and outside if they apply to the whole sentence. Regard, in particular, the second example:

• Marlin needed, he said, "to find Nemo".
• Marlin said: "I need to find Nemo."

The original quote is "I need to find Nemo." In the first scenario, however, the terminal punctuation does not apply to the entire preceding sentence, just to a three-word part-sentence, wherefore the punctuation is found outside the quote marks. On Half-Life: Alyx, the concept is the same:

• A wrote that B could "C".

C is not a full sentence, therefore its punctuation should not terminate the preceding sentence. Our article on logical quotations also contains some more examples. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 22:33, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Ah, so if the Half-Life Alyx article had quoted the entire sentence, then the period would go inside the quotation mark, right? Useight (talk) 22:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. It should then look like this:

Kevin Webb of Business Insider wrote: "Though the virtual reality business isn't exactly new, Half-Life: Alyx could spark fresh interest in an industry that has struggled to win over hardcore gamers."

As the latter part of the quote could form a full sentence on its own, the first part might be optional. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 22:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

To ensure I'm fixing things instead of screwing things up, I think I've got it, but to be clear, a change like this is correct, right? Useight (talk) 22:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Useight, exactly. IceWelder [✉] 07:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

New on the Eurovision 2021 page

Hello, I'm new to the Eurovision 2021 page, Can I help you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rap57 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rap57, everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, on any page they wish, as long as their edits are within the scope of the project and follow Wikipedia's editing guidelines. Since you're new to the site, I suggest you check out the WP:Five pillars and our WP:Tutorial first, which will introduce to some important basics. If are already aware of a very specific change that needs to be made, you can always ask other editors (such as myself) for help/guidance. As such, if you have any questions, you are welcome to leave them here. When editing on talk pages, also keep in mind to sign your comments using ~~~~ added to the end of your message. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 13:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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I have "not once contributed" to Bayonetta? and other issues

Hi,

I attempted to nominate the above named article for GA, but you rolled back the edit, justifying it with "new editor who has not once contributed to the article request peer review and GA at the same time". Firstly, this, this, this and this beg to differ. Secondly, nobody had responded to my PR request for days. Thirdly, I felt that the article met all the GA criteria. I'm genuinely curious to see what I did wrong. MiasmaEternal^TALK 23:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi MiasmaEternal, sorry for the confusion. What I meant to say is "not significantly contributed", rather than incorrectly attributing no contribution at all. You did perform minor edits to the article, but the reason I wanted to mention this is because most GA reviews are initiated by the primary editors of an article, so that they receive their due credit. Looking at the history of the article, however, I fail to identify one or multiple "main" editors, so this was an error on my part.

I became aware of the situation on Bayonetta's talk page after you asked for a GA review on Team Fortress 2's talk page as well, even though that article would instantly fail such a review. Another editor swiftly removed the GAN for this reason. I noticed that you placed both a peer review as well as a GA review request on the talk page for Bayonetta; these generally stand in conflict and shouldn't be placed side-by-side (but may have been exchanged instead). You noted that your peer review request went unanswered for multiple days, but be aware that (since the vast majority of Wikipedia editors are here voluntarily) such reviews can take a long time to be answered.

It was not clear to me whether you had yet become fully aware of Wikipedia's guidelines on the topic, also given that your account is relatively young (this is merely an observation, not inherently a problem). Hence, and given the similar revert on the talk page for Team Fortress 2, I also reverted the changes to Bayonetta's talk page.

Should you think that you have grasped our GA-relevant guidelines, and I therefore made a mistake in reverting your changes, you are free to re-instantiate a review tag, although only one (peer review or GAN) should be listed. One advice I would already give for either undertaking is reworking the reception section: The "Press reception" (generally called "Critical reception" in other articles, but this is minor) appears to mostly be a quote farm, and should instead focus on the specific elements of the game that reviewers in general liked/disliked, with quotes only serving in the role of an accent for particularly praised/panned elements.

Sorry, again, should my edits have caused an inconvenience. Regards and happy editing, IceWelder [✉] 08:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Jackbox games

Oops you're right. I'm thinking of the edit I did on the Jackbox Party Pack on the same idea (and thought this was that article and was using the RS I had used there). My bad :P --Masem (t) 15:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

On company types in Nordic company infoboxes

Here's a thing about company types in Nordic company infoboxes: Many infoboxes of major Nordic companies lists their type of incorporation in the "type" parts (such as "Publicly traded Aktiebolag" or "Julkinen osakeyhtiö", see Ericsson or Kone for examples) so maybe the types of incorporation should be removed as well from those infoboxes of major Nordic companies...? (Since you often removed the type of incorporation from Nordic game devs such as Embracer Group or Remedy Entertainment per the docs) Gibranalnn (talk) 08:38, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Gibranalnn, exactly, these should be removed and replaced with just "Public". "Type", here, refers to type of ownership rather than type of legal entity. This is noted in the template's docs. The template does not currently cover type of entity, such a change would need to gain consensus first in a discussion on the template's talk page. IceWelder [✉] 09:01, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

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About the EA move

That was an accident. I was trying to make EA (game company) redirect to the main article but I did something else I didn't want to. TheDiaperPinez37 (talk) 22:12, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

TheDiaperPinez37, thanks for the heads-up. Indeed, you moved the entire article to "EA (game company)" rather than creating a redirect from it. Yet, now that the page has been moved back, there is a proper redirect in place, so it worked out in the end. Don't fret, this happens to the best of us. If you have any questions, related to this or not, feel free to ask here. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 22:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

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Response to your question about image scaling

I have read your question, which you have actually retracted. Anyway, I used cubic algorithm to resize the image. Oh, and if DatBot would resize this, I guess that would be at 277 by 359 pixels, instead of the more correct 277 by 360 pixels; the source code for the image reduction task that was done by Theo's Little Bot truncated fractions of pixels in vertical resolution (after truncating horizontal resolution per WP:IMAGERES), and DatBot's code was based on that. Dividing 277 pixels by the image's aspect ratio results in approx. 359.95 pixels, 0.95 of which is truncated by the bot when resizing. I hope that helps. Ntx61 (talk) 16:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Ntx61, thanks for the info. I retracted my message as I wasn't sure whether I came off as rude asking you to redo work you had already done just because I didn't like the result. I don't know (rather will see) whether that one missing pixel strip will be a problem. For now, I have restored the original (too large) image, hoping that DatBot's scaling method produces a slightly crisper picture than the cubic interpolation did. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 16:34, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I have attempted to resize the image again, using another application. The image quality has improved compared to my previous attempts, although not as crisp as the JPEG version. I am reserving this until DatBot uploads its own in about 7 hours; let me know if DatBot's resizing method helps (otherwise I might upload my own). Ntx61 (talk) 16:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

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Infobox software website bug

Hello! I noticed there is a bug with the Wikidata parser code on Template:Infobox software for the website property (official website (P856)). I was going to notify Codename Lisa who originally implemented this in 2015, but she is blocked. Since this template is protected and you have worked on it, could you please take a look? Please look at Node.js for an example of the problem. I have also asked CyberSkull to look at this issue. --Alex Rosenberg (talk) 17:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Alex rosenberg35, this should be fixed now. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 17:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick! Thanks! --Alex Rosenberg (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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What is the reason for reverting the changes on this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lastcalls (talk • contribs) 17:45, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Serious Sam: Kamikaze Attack!

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GTA V characters - Tracey

Just following up on your edit at the GTA V characters list where you removed a small bit of information about Michal Sinnott's role as Tracey. Although it wasn't cited to an RS, it's an interview with the actor. Would we not be giving attribution to her instead of the site? If the AfD closes as delete, I would consider if it's worth adding to the development article. What are your thoughts? (pinging Rhain). — CR4ZE (T • C) 05:15, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@CR4ZE: I don't think it should be included, for two reasons: Firstly, the site seems (or rather seemed, since it is now dead) rather sketchy and shouldn't be used in an FA, even if the content in it is modeled like an interview. Second, the claim is that Sinnott worked on the game for three years. If I got my maths right, and shooting began in 2010 while the game released in 2013, this would be true for every actor who didn't just voice a pedestrian. The claim is really peripheral and IMO does not warrant inclusion just because others didn't say the same verbatim. In contrast, the claims made by Mogentale for Ron go beyond that. Cutting down some of the stuff that counted for all actors, his claims might warrant inclusion, although it would seem a bit odd to thoroughly cover the three protagonists, and then suddenly have one sentence about a random supporting character. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 07:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

You make a fair point about Sinnott. I was looking further into Mogentale's sentiments and I think they're interesting and could be included. Though you're right, it has to be integrated in a way that doesn't feel phoned-in when the article's so heavy on analysis of the lead protagonists. I'm going to look into inserting some of that information back in a way this organic. Feel free to throw around ideas if you have any. Thanks for your feedback. — CR4ZE (T • C) 13:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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BMG Entertainment and various lies made by the newspapers and news websites

BMG Entertainment (and its video game publishing division, BMG Interactive) were both subsidiaries of Bertelsmann Music Group (formerly RCA/Ariola International), and not directly subsidiaries of Bertelsmann in any way. All sources that hint that BMG Entertainment is a subsidiary of Bertelsmann is wrong. So BMG Interactive has to be a subsidiary of the German music publisher. Yes. I'm talking about both Rockstar Games and Take Two Interactive. --Jostcom (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

This was already discussed previously with plenty of sources various publications and various years. If you can provide at least a few reliable sources to the table that explicity verify your claim, be my guest. That the company begins in "BMG" is not a source, for that matter. IceWelder [✉] 17:22, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

I will have to speak to Bertelsmann to make your claims false and prove that BMG Interactive (and BMG Entertainment) were both subsidiaries of Bertelsmann Music Group.--Jostcom (talk) 17:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Cool. I'm still not sure whether we really need this claim, but make sure they publish that info clearly on their website to make it verfiable. IceWelder [✉] 17:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

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Re: GI scans

Heya! Sorry for the delayed response. Here's the page you requested: https://drive.google.com/file/d/16_2xvXIJJTMwOSU43ePj1onnqXwj-AyV/view?usp=sharing. Let me know if you need anything else. Cheers! sesuprime 21:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much, this is perfect! IceWelder [✉] 18:25, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

might not be doing this exactly right

i'm afraid i'm not posting this right... everything seems so consequential with the wiki coding... seems utterly unnecessary to point it out but only just realized that i'd marked the six awards to goldeneye because i used to love that game and happened to notice it getting awarded multiply by whatever the DICE awards are... on the wiki page i searched for "goldeneye" without realizing in 2004 Judi Dench received an award for GoldenEye Rogue Agent... just worry about seeming like a troll and getting exiled from wikipedia, thanks for catching my error Thehappypoet (talk) 08:06, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

DSOGaming Wikipedia Page

Hey there IceWelder,

I hope you are well in these difficult times :).

Can you help with the reports? You have removed all the citations, yet there is a "This article needs additional citations for verification." report. Here is an example of a page that has similar citations and is allowed on Wikipedia -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCGamingWiki

Is the History part right? I can expand it a bit, however, I'd like to hear your suggestions for improving the page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSOGaming ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by John2gr (talk • contribs) 12:49, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@John2gr: Thank you for the heads-up. I understand your position, but there is an inherent problem here. Wikipedia has a certain threshold on what it considers "notable" enough for it to have an article. This is documented in the WP:Notability guideline, and in particular, the "General notability guideline" section, which says the following:

"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

Checking reliable sources, I could not find any that fits this description while at the same time not being affiliated with the site. Being cited by another website is, at most, a trivial mention and does not add to notability. The central issue, therefore, is that all actual information is based on primary sources, meaning that any tone we adopt and facts we present are spoon-fed by the subject matter or its affiliates, with no critical commentary at hand. This is not a position Wikipedia would strife for.

Allow me to also explain the individual tags. Per the explanation hereabove, I placed the "Notability" tag on the article as I suspect the topic not fail said guideline. Furthermore, several statements, such as daily article count, founder and founding date, had no source at all, hence the "More citations needed" tag. The last tag, "COI" (conflict of interest), was added because you were the only major contributor and your username suggests that you are the editor-in-chief of the site. I am rather surprised that it passed the AfC stage in the state it was, but that is not reversible. Soetermans extended this with a "proposed deletion" (PROD) request, which you later removed, invalidating it. I expect that this might lead to an AfD (Articles for Deletion) nomination in due time.

I realize DSOGaming is one of the better-known non-corporate-owned websites out there, but in terms of notability, it unfortunately appears like any other website to Wikipedia's guidelines. Many editors often try to pedal their personal blogs in a similar manner, so we probably cannot grant an exception for DSOGaming just because it has been around for longer and been very prolific in that time. Gematsu was deleted for similar reasons recently, and looking at the article for PCGamingWiki, it probably should be as well. If, somehow, a reliable, independent source pops up that details DSOGaming's inner workings in-depth (with emphasis on "depth"), we could try to use that to write a proper article on the topic. We could then add some primary source to round off some details, but primary sources may never be the majority.

Please let me know should you need anything else. Once new sources become available, you can also incubate a new draft and pass it by me or other experienced editors in the Video games field to get some help on getting it ready for Wikipedia. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 14:07, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Edit: While I was writing this, said AfD discussion was opened. You may participate in it if you make sure to disclose your COI and provide valid arguments under Wikipedia's guidelines. I will look into commenting myself at a later time. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 14:36, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

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June 2020

Hello, I'm 忒有钱. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Grand Theft Auto V have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks.--10:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't think you have a point here, since you are the one breaking WP:BRD. IceWelder [✉] 11:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

But no official announcement that Grand Theft Auto V will be released on Xbox Series X.--忒有钱 (talk) 11:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

The sources suggests that "and other consoles" refers to Xbox Series X as it is the only impeding major console release outside PS5. Per WP:V and since GameSpot is on WP:VG/RS, we can thus include the claim. Pinging @Blakegripling ph and Rhain, who previously edited that statement. IceWelder [✉] 11:24, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

You can see "Grand Theft Auto V Coming to New Generation Consoles in 2021". Rockstar Games. Retrieved 2020-06-12.. --忒有钱 (talk) 12:24, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

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TemplateData aligned formatting

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It actually makes perfect sense, because that's exactly what makes it easier when people do edit in source mode.

You linked a tutorial (and an outdated one), not a guideline or policy.

Many infoboxes have aligned format. I didn't decide it, I took it from other infoboxes that already had it. It's a common practice. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I disagree. Having everything spaced out is rarely an advantage for desktop source editors (opinions may vary, but there is no consensus) and it becomes a pain for mobile editors or those with smaller screens (this is a related example). The issue is handled inconsistently in the project but several editors have unnecessarily tried to change this on several templates without consensus.

I would argue that someone who does not edit the source code should not have an impact on its formatting, especially with possibly disruptive changes like these. Of course, I would rather have that the VE enforces no formatting at all, but if that is not possible, we should use the one that causes the least problems. There is no formal guideline on this, but the tutorial at least provides some context with appropriate reasoning. The Meta help page is still a draft. IceWelder [✉] 17:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for helping the grammar of my games Wikipedia article. I would send you a dm but I just wanted to say that your work in the community has not went unnoticed and that you are truely a decent person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.203.230 (talk) 21:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. I am not sure which article you are referring to but I hope my contributions were helpful nonetheless. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 09:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Removing UK from articles

Rather than get into an edit war regarding your removal of UK as the sovereign nation for the company HQ location. Can you provide the wikipedia guidelines that UK doesn't need to be listed, as I am unable to find it, as this is what you put for the edit summary for Deltic Group of England is the constituent country, "UK" does not need to be listed. link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deltic_Group&diff=965111992&oldid=965111865

Kind regards Angryskies (talk) 13:41, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

We had this discussion before. The existing, status quo consensus is not to list the sovereign nation if one of its constituent countries is already mentioned. This is the case not only with the UK's four countries but also with all other nations that have such constellations, for example:

• [[Edinburgh]], Scotland
• [[Edinburgh]], Scotland, UK
• [[Cardiff]], Wales
• [[Cardiff]], Wales, UK
• [[Nuuk]], Greenland
• [[Nuuk]], Greenland, Denmark
• [[Tórshavn]], Faroe Islands
• [[Tórshavn]], Faroe Islands, Denmark
• [[Avarua]], Cook Islands
• [[Avarua]], Cook Islands, New Zealand
• [[Alofi]], Niue
• [[Alofi]], Niue, New Zealand
• [[Willemstad]], Curaçao
• [[Willemstad]], Curaçao, Kingdom of the Netherlands
• [[Amsterdam]], Netherlands
• [[Amsterdam]], Netherlands, Kingdom of the Netherlands

With a constituent country in place, the location is already fully identifiable and has a country listed, wherefore no further expansion is needed, nor would any help the reader in any way. For the UK specifically, this would allow for some uniformity with edge cases for Crown dependencies, where the UK cannot be listed. It has been this way since before I became active on Wikipedia five years ago, even if there is no formal guideline (neither for nor against). Regards, IceWelder [✉] 14:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for the reply. The Faroe Islands and Greenland are autonomous territory of Denmark. The Cook Islands & Niue are Associated states of New Zealand. Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are constituent nations of the sovereign nation that is the United Kingdom, so there is a major difference between those examples. While I do see where you're coming from, the sovereign nation is the UK. If we look at places in the United States i.e. Dallas:

• [[Dallas]], Texas
• [[Dallas]], Texas, U.S.

it could then be argued that Dallas is fully identifiable.

Perhaps this is a question worth taking over to one of the noticeboards for further clarification or attempt to get some consensus on the matter. Regards Angryskies (talk) 15:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Retracting my Denmark examples, as the terminology seems to vary. The Cook Islands and Niue are both in free association with New Zealand but neither is recognized as a fully sovereign state internationally, rather they are part of the Realm of New Zealand, i.e. yet another edge case. The UK major constituencies are designated as "countries".

I agree that just "Dallas" could be considered sufficient to identify the place in a certain context, but we would be lacking that in the infobox if no country was listed. Consider the example:

Company	Location (ex. 1)	Location (ex. 2)
Northern Treasures Ltd.	Dallas	Dallas, Scotland
Southern Business, LLC	Dallas	Dallas, US

If really necessary, this can be elevated to a higher level. However, the last time we discussed this (albeit in a slightly different context), there was no support for the inclusion of the sovereign state in cases like UK places, rather the opposite. As Keith D said:

You should stop at the first country so UK should not be present as Scotland/England is a country while in the others, for example Canada is needed as British Columbia is not a country.

Regards, IceWelder [✉] 15:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Mojang Studios

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Digital Bros

thanks for your suggestion, I remove the celebratory words as leader etc. it is not my intention to emphasize.Peter39c (talk) 14:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Peter39c, thank you for the heads-up. When someone tags an article, make sure to consider these tags first, not just remove them without comment. The article should be completely neutral and factual rather than copy every "we're great" statement from the company itself. This is not helped by the majority of sourced content references the Borsa Italia or the company's own website. Please check whether the company actually meets WP:NCORP. Since this is a video game company, WP:VG/SE might be a help in finding sources. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 14:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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Edit warring at Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2020

This is clearly a content dispute between you on one side, and the editors who want to add countries now on the other side. I will point out that you are in violation of 3RR on this article ([2] [3] [4] [5] [6]); just because you're reverting different editors doesn't mean it gets a pass. None of these qualify for a 3RR exemption. Please stop. –Darkwind (talk) 13:01, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I am not the only editor pushing against this kind of changes.[7][8][9] Eurovision is a prime example of a niche category of articles maintained only by a handful of people but overrun by editors with no care for guidelines or the status quo. I realize I am the most prolific reverter in this case, but the scenario is not new. I ask for RPPs often but these are ignored for hours, sometimes days. This full lock will cool the situation down a bit for now. IceWelder [✉] 13:33, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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new order

At first I thought it was sequel too but it is actually a partial reboot. For example the old blood is a retelling of RtCW. The game also shares some degree of continuity with wolfenstein 3d. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metin karasu (talk • contribs) 19:09, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

You need to provide a source for this claim. "But it is actually" claims are not sufficient to editwar over something like this. IceWelder [✉] 17:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox on (Junior) Eurovision Song Contest pages

Dear IceWelder,

I'd like to invite you to join the discussion on the talk page regarding Infoboxes on the (J)ESC pages.

Kind regards, JKOkay (talk) 17:45, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

This has been discussed time and again, and consensus was to wait for some sort of formalization. Two important reasons are:

1. It is misleading. All statements before the confirmation are provisional. The infobox does not make this clear, rather presents information as definitive. This violates WP:CRYSTAL.
2. It is unnecessary additional maintenance for every editor that changes almost every week.

Just removing the existing comments and placing other content against what the comments said is not helpful. IceWelder [✉] 17:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Could you please reply on the talk page to make the discussion accessible for everyone who wants to have a say in it? Moreover, I've looked through quite a few talk pages, but I could never find a proper discussion on the subject. You claim there was, so could you please link the discussion where this consensus was reached too when you're replying on the talk page? Thanks. JKOkay (talk) 18:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't think I'll be discussing this further, as I've explained it often enough. Maintaining these pages is taking more time and energy than it should be because there will always be a vocal subset of people who edit Eurovision articles for the heck of, not noticing (or plainly ignoring) that they are on an encyclopedia. Any discussion or RfC is a lost cause because that same subset would say "makes sense to me" without giving it a second thought or checking out relevant guidelines. The new discussion will likely become a prime example of this. The effort one has to put in to actually get a clean, encyclopedia-ready article for any Eurovision topic while at the same time fighting those that don't even pretend to have read a guideline is way more than I'm willing to give, so I removed all Eurovision-related stuff from my watchlist for now. Have it your way. IceWelder [✉] 18:39, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

You say you've explained it often enough. I'm not that active on Wikipedia, I sometimes contribute here and there, which is why I asked you if you could link the discussion with the consensus. I'm just looking for a fruitful discussion. If that discussion has been held too many times according to you, that's fine, and I'm willing to read into old arguments if you were just willing to link the old discussion. The way you're avoiding that genuine question, not pinching in on a genuine, grown-up discussion I'm trying to start up on the talk page and at the same time guilt-tripping me into removing all your Eurovision stuff from your watch list is just childish. But keep in mind that by abstaining from the discussion now (which I've yet to see being properly held earlier somewhere), you're weakening your own point of view if you were willing to stand up for it in the (near) future. I'm still willing to have a proper discussion on the talk page, but if this is the solution for you, then suit yourself. JKOkay (talk) 18:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I made my points on the talk page. As I said, this was discussed before, even if I cannot directly find where (probably in some WT archive; I'll let you know when I find it). I appreciate your efforts trying to get a proper discussion out of this now, but knowing the community, the outcome is probably set. Know that this is not your fault and I'm not blaming anyone specific, but I'm too exhausted to deal with this right now. IceWelder [✉] 19:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Template:Infobox company/doc

Even though I originally thought that listing the aliases was causing a lot of clutter, I agree that having them listed is helpful to some editors, who may not be familiar with the intricacies of the template. However, your edit statement of "Not a correction, you only removed the aliases of the params" is an incorrect assessment of my previous edit. As you can see from your edit here, the |income_year= parameter was repeated twice in the reverted version. The correct parameter after |net_income= would be |net_income_year=, as you inserted in your 2nd edit. Regards, Funandtrvl (talk) 15:11, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Funandtrvl, you're right. The diff view made it appear as first as though the comment removal were the only edits done and I did not notice the actual change yet. Because I see this kind of -- what I perceived to be -- a misguided edit frequently from new users, I checked your contributions only to find that you have been active since 2008. Confused, then, I checked the edit again and saw what you actually wanted to achieve with it. I went ahead and fixed this but decided to just use the same format as is present in the main parameter list, so the doc has some consistency. I should have mentioned that I took the fix from your edit in that edit summary, sorry.

As for the comments, I don't think that they are too cluttery, especially since the syntaxhighlight tag puts code and comments visually apart nicely. If a user is new to the template, the comments might be helpful, while experienced users can just remove them after copy-pasting them to their article within seconds. I'd be open to further discussion on this, but that should happen on the template's talk page. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 16:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

No problem! Funandtrvl (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Civility Barnstar

Thank you so much for your calm, civil, well-researched, and overly generous resolution to my dispute on the Duke Nukem 3D article. Totally legendary! My general experience on Wikipedia and other wikis has been extremely, extremely stressful, and I can tell that you're very good at minimizing needless stress. I've had my edits reverted before, but I've never felt like, "Yeah, OK, I actually feel pretty comfortable with that one." :) Smiiikes (talk) 03:26, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Raw Fury wikipedia page

Hi,

You reverted my changes on the Raw Fury page. Unfortunate, as I am the founder of Raw Fury so probably the best source. Could you please re implement my changes. If you want to verify me then feel free to ping me fx through twitter @jantonsson Gubbidi (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Gubbidi, thanks for the heads-up. There are two important things to note about this:

1. Your edits were reverted because you added/removed information against the claims from sources given, and did not provide any new ones. While it was not clear that you were the founder of the company in question, Wikipedia requires that all information is verifiable through in-line sources (see WP:V), regardless of who adds the information. A possible fix for this would be to add new sources. A source (for trivial information such as founding dates) may also be the company's own website, but from the looks of it, it does not currently have a history section anywhere.
2. Since you are involved with the company, it might be preferable if you followed the procedures outlined at WP:COI. In short: Disclose your conflict of interest where it is easily visible (the article's talk page, your user page, or both) and submit changes in the form of edit requests on the article's talk page, so that an independent editor can review the requested changes for verifiability, neutrality, etc. and perform them on your behalf. Templates and instructions for both can be found at the cited guideline.

I would happy to help out with this directly if the verifiability is given, in that you provide the source(s) that support(s) your claims. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 18:05, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha. Okay, then I’ll post on our site in the near future a post that has all the facts straight, along with the history, as some of the cited sources on wikipedia are simply wrong. That should do the trick - no? Gubbidi (talk) 18:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

The website source would be used in addition to the existing sources, smoothing rough edges where information might be incomplete. We still need secondary reporting to show that the topic is notable.

I will also note that it is doubtful that all sources cited are "simply wrong", given that they mostly re-report the information they are presented with, and all three outlets are listed among our reliable sources for video games. I just checked the GameSpot source used for the founding, and it appears that the "February" claim is not in there at all, so I removed it. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 18:57, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Serious Sam: The Random Encounter

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Unverified info?

If there are actual Wikipedia articles for these old game titles that I added, they are notable enough to be added to the main Software Toolworks article IMHO. If they were not notable, there wouldn't be articles on them. -- xpclient ^Talk 15:56, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Xpclient, it's not a question about whether they are notable or not, but it should be verified in-line that The Software Toolworks was responsible for them. If the corresponding articles already have a reliable source for this, you can use that one. If not, there is unverified info on the game's article that would need to be addressed. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 15:59, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Yandere Simulator page

Why did you remove parts of the criticism section on the Yandere Simulator page? There was no reason to. They were properly cited, and the criticism part had been reinstated by admins before you removed it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xsetrox (talk • contribs) 15:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Xsetrox: There is an ongoing discussion about that particular section on the article's talk page. The content has been removed pending consensus, but was frequently restored. Unlike what you claim, no admin has previously re-instated the content in question. The only admin that was recently active there has, in fact, removed that content. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 16:03, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Serious Sam Double D

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tinyBuild Page - Hello Guest

Hello Guest is not the codename for Hello Neighbor 2. On many sources you will see that they are completely different games.

Also, why didn't you just remove the Hello Guest row instead of undoing everything? Adding all those links took me an hour.

Nightboi17 (talk) 20:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC)Nightboi17

Nightboi17, the description of the announcement trailer for Hello Neighbor 2 reads that Hello Guest (which had only been in alpha) was the "prototype" for Hello Neighbor 2. The game was also clearly renamed on Steam.

The many duplicate links were removed in accordance with WP:OVERLINK, as all of them had previously occured in the same section. You can see what has changed overall between our edits here.

Lastly, please avoid posting in archives. I noticed your message only by chance and transferred it here. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 20:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Ziggurat Interactive

Hey there, Harry here.

Not sure if you’re aware, but I found out now that a fairly-new game publisher (who formed last year) called Ziggurat Interactive had recently purchased a majority of Ex-Infogrames/MicroProse/Ocean/Accolade titles from Tommo.

I cannot find a source though, so I think they likely did it silently. I’d just thought I’d let you know about this.

Luigitehplumber (talk) 01:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

LTPHarry, there are sources like [10] that attest that Ziggurat (re)published some of the previous Retroism/Tommo games, such as Darklands. This can be included in the respective game articles. However, it is not verifiable that Ziggurat bought them from Tommo, so that shouldn't be mentioned. IceWelder [✉] 08:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Rockstar Games

The article List of games by Rockstar Games is an article made to list all the games Rockstar Games owns, not games that it published. Rockstar Games displays Grand Theft Auto on their website as their game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therealslimfan (talk • contribs) 15:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

No, it's a list of games originally published by Rockstar Games. GTA1 was originally published by BMG Interactive in Europe and ASC Games in the US. Listing games published more than a year before the company was founded is misleading. Also, all games are de jure owned by Take-Two Interactive, not Rockstar Games. IceWelder [✉] 15:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

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Serious Sam

Still reading over the Big Rigs page but since you're also writing the Serious Sam games, I noticed that the Request board has a game in the series that got requested in 2019. So was wondering if you needed a new idea for an article to create. GamerPro64 16:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

GamerPro64, yeah, I draft for that in my local MediaWiki (as well as Tormental), but I'm still gathering sources for that. I have basically nothing for a prospective "Development and release" section, so I'm not sure how fast I'll publish that. IceWelder [✉] 18:06, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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3D Realms and Apogee

1. Can you wait until I finish my edit, please? 2. The two companies are unrelated besides the trademark. It's like if I delete Fiat's wiki page, then redirect it to Renault's page. 3. They just announced two new games. WolfmanFP (talk) 17:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

WolfmanFP, unlike Fiat, Apogee Software LLC clearly fails WP:GNG, as there is absolutely no in-depth coverage of the company outside one section in the Polygon feature about 3D Realms. Furthermore, as already mentioned, Apogee Software LLC is not the primary topic for "Apogee Software", 3D Realms is. The company might have been renamed but at least 90% of pages mentioning (or linking to) "Apogee Software" refer to 3D Realms. IceWelder [✉] 17:53, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Can we transfer the content to a new Apogee Software, LLC article then? Either way, redirecting to a subsection of an article about a different company makes no sense to me. WolfmanFP (talk) 17:59, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

WolfmanFP, I tagged the redirect for G6. I'm still not convinced the company is actually notable, though, but I will let it stand for now. In general, a section of a highly related topic (as is the case here, apart from Radical Heroes) should be fine. Hence, {{R from related topic}} exists. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 18:12, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. WolfmanFP (talk) 18:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

People Can Fly

Hello IceWleder,

I am not sure if this is the correct way to reach out to you but I am now a little desperate to find help. I am trying to help my friends from People Can Fly - video games development company - to update their company logo via Wiki Commons but I can't figure out how to do it properly with respect to all the policies.

They have recently updated their logo: https://galaktus.prowly.com/104408-people-can-fly-announces-development-of-new-aaa-title-and-reveals-new-logo and would love to have it featured in wiki articles. As you can see the logo was shared publicly via press release and is used on their website: https://peoplecanfly.com/

Do you think you could help me set it properly in Wiki Commons?

Thank you in advance for your help!

Miłosz (KillNeq) —Preceding undated comment added 15:03, 18 September 2020

Hi @KillNeq. The problem here is that Wikimedia Commons is only for images either devoid of copyright or available under a free license (e.g. CC-BY-XX). Images that are not free, as appears to be the case here, have to be uploaded locally (i.e. to English Wikipedia), since this Wikipedia pertains to US law, including the "fair use" law (which is not universal). I uploaded the image here and added it to the article. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 15:45, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

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Dear IceWelder, You sir, are amazing. Can't find a proper way to thank you, so... just thank you!!! Cheers, Miłosz —Preceding undated comment added 15:47, 18 September 2020

Sure! If you need anything else, just let me know. Also, when posting on talk pages, make sure to sign your comment using four tildes ~~~~, which adds a linked name and the timestamp of the comment. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 16:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Module:Wd

Hi IceWelder, thanks for your edit to Module:Wd. Have you come across a situation where this module trew an error due to unavailability of Wikidata? Does the check you've added really prevent that? I thought that it is simply a library or an interface that would always have a value, so I'd like to better understand. :-) Also, I don't think that the main function is the most important place to check this (because it's not used in most cases, although it is one of the entry points indeed). The wrapper functions in establishCommands should also contain this check. But again, I'm curious if it is a useful check in the first place? Thayts ••• 22:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Thayts, thanks for the heads-up! Although Wikidata is usually available, in the rare cases it is not (e.g. due to maintenance or a server crash), the value of mw.wikibase becomes nil (nothing). Trying to access a nil variable in Lua is not possible and this his was previously unchecked in the entire module, meaning that in that rare case where Wikidata is gone, every single instance that relies on Wd would instead show a flashy, red Lua error. With the added line, the module just does nothing if Wikidata is unavailable.

Issues like this stand out to me because I'm running a local MediaWiki instance where I prepare some articles to be published here. There, Wikidata is never available. Importing a whole article from Wikipedia (including templates and modules) to my MediaWiki thus results in just those errors. Luckily, this also allows me to identify, test and fix this very edge case, and so I did for Wd.

Hope this makes the change a bit clearer. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 22:31, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Great, thanks for your explanation! I will make sure to add more checks in the next version of the module that I'm currently working on. Thayts ••• 22:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Warner Home Entertainment

There is something wrong here. Home Entertainment is part of Warnermedia Commercial but you say it is part of Studios and Networks. Looks like there is inconsistency between pages. It is confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.119.61.128 (talk) 15:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Warner Bros. is part of WarnerMedia Studios and Networks. Warner Bros. Home Entertainment is a division of Warner Bros., and Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment is in turn a division of that division. The divisions page has been updated repeatedly, so I highly doubt that it is out of date. Whether or not other articles on Wikipedia say something incorrect should not be the concern of the one article where the claim is supported by reliable (in this case, primary) sources. If there is an issue the Home Entertainment article, that one should be fixed. IceWelder [✉] 15:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Read the source again and it says there's a new commercial unit that combines advertising sales and distribution groups with home entertainment. Are you 100% sure about this? Other editors insist on it.

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ATS Automation Tooling Systems Updates

Thank you for looking at the ATS Automation Tooling Systems article and removing information. I would like to ask, how would I request updates to the History section which only includes information up to 2014. I would like to ensure this is done properly. My request on the talk page had a number of additions, can you advise if these are appropriate? How would I best proceed. I appreciate your guidance, thank you. McMln (talk) 14:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, McMln. I'm assuming that you have a conflict of interest (COI) with the subject in question (being paid by or an associate of the company). From your contributions, I can see that you previously posted a request to the talk page of the "Companies" WikiProject. While this is usually the correct way to go, that specific project is very inactive and has few maintainers. I suggest adding a new section with your request(s) to the talk page of the article itself and adding {{request edit}} at the top of your message. This way, the page will be categorised as needing triage due to a COI request, and users who handle such requests frequently can process and respond to your message. I cannot promise how long this takes, however, since voluntary editors are not always available. You can find more information on this at WP:SCOIC. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 14:44, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your guidance, much appreciated! McMln (talk) 15:12, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Avalanche Software

Hello, I am currently translating the article on Avalanche Software for the German Wikipedia. In 2017, you made this contribution to the English article. Since October 2017, there is a citation needed tag for the names of the founders of the company, which you added in that edit. I have searched the internet for a source, but I was only able to find this interview that confirms that John Blackburn founded the company with three of his colleagues. Do you still know where you got this information from? If not, I think it would be appropriate to just name John Blackburn as one of the four founders of the company because the interview contains that information. Thanks.--ManuBu (talk) 02:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

ManuBu, honestly not sure, sorry. I know I took this from somewhere, but I couldn't find that source again (it's either now dead or an offline source I no longer possess). I removed the offending parts from the article and replaced it with what little could be sourced. I'll let you know if I eventually find the source again. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 08:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Playstation Studios

Project Siren is part of SIE Japan Studio, but they are still a Playstation Studio. Plus there have been rumors of them making a stand-alone game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FoulFix (talk • contribs) 13:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FoulFix: I've transferred your message here. Please do not post in archives. Regarding your question, Project Siren is a development team within Japan Studio. It is not a separate studio and not acknowledged by SIE as one. This is the same as Naughty Dog's ICE Team. Whether or not the Project Siren is still active is irrelevant in this case. IceWelder [✉] 13:51, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Missed ping

Sorry, I was away from English Wikipedia for a couple of weeks, editing Swedish Wikipedia only, and didn't see you had pinged me in a discussion. My apologies. /Julle (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Julle, no problem, this happens from time to time. You probably noticed the origin of the ping: you said that Liljegren headlines several Swedish-language sources, but you provided no examples. During the 2018 discussion, you added on such source, which puts the article in the state it is today. If you have more such sources, could you possibly add them to the article? Also, could you validate whether the parents and birthplace are actually covered in the adjacent source? Regards, IceWelder [✉] 06:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Parsec Productions

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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

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Hi Liz, could you check whether this message was actually intended for me? I did not create the draft, only incubated it because it was far from mainspace-ready. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 06:49, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Why you're reverting my edits to SCP - Containment Breach and related articles?

I was inserting information related to console remake of SCP - Containment Breach, developed and published by Respawn Entertainment. The information I'm adding to pages was not hoax. 36.74.41.11 (talk) 17:56, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Five seconds of Googling show that what you are adding is, in fact, a hoax. You did not provide a source for any of your claims and instead tried to eradicate all info of the original game. Plus, you're making it extra obvious by claiming that Respawn is self-publishing. IceWelder [✉] 18:02, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

No, the unsourced/uncited information I added was not hoax. You're overzealous for reverting my edits to SCP - Containment Breach and Respawn Entertainment. 36.74.41.11 (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

So provide a source. IceWelder [✉] 18:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

WARNING

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Tenet (film), you may be blocked from editing. -- AmblinX  06:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

AmblinX, this is the third person you are warning over just one of your edits you keep disruptively inserting. You should check what these warnings should actually be used for. In this case, your behaviour clearly indicates edit-warring. IceWelder [✉] 08:29, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Tenet (film)

Hi there, hope you’re doing well. Could we perhaps discuss the recent edits on Tenet (film) that we’ve been involved with? Should we keep reverting the edits? What should we do with the warnings left on our talk page? Hoping we can all come to a civil conclusion at the end. Thanks, any help would be greatly appreciated. KaitoNkmra23 talk 07:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

KaitoNkmra23, I filed a case with the Administrator's noticeboard for edit warring that I invite you to comment on. I also requested temporary full protection for the Tenet page to enforce a discussion. You could start a discussion on the article's talk page and invite all involved users to comment. Once the page is protected, this will be the only way to discuss the user's edits. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 10:17, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

The Interplay asset sale from 4 years ago never occurred. Is it still relevant to keep it up on the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.162.29 (talk) 01:16, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

It can be easily verified that a sale was planned, so it should be included. IceWelder [✉] 23:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of I Hate Running Backwards

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Congratulations again on turning this into a good article. Reach out if you have any other questions, and keep up the great work. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:14, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Shooterwalker, thanks! I was struggling with this article due to the limited source pool (there are several feautres, such as the "curses", that didn't make the cut because bo source mentioned them), but I'm glad we could find a good solution that we're both happy with. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 04:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of I Hate Running Backwards

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GA Reviewing Process of Super Mario Bros. 35

Thanks for showing interest and reviewing Super Mario Bros. 35. I'm one of the main contributors of the article, so I'm kind of excited, even if the article is turned down (so I know what to improve). I have a question: does length contribute to good article status? I for some reason believe its length is un-intimidating. The answer is probably no, due to the whole quantity over quality thing, but I'm just making sure. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 21:33, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Le Panini! Length is not necessarily a failure criterium. What is important is that all relevant aspects are covered in some shape or form. If there aren't that many aspects, the article will obviously be shorter. I know I have written a short GA before. See also WP:GA? for the various criteria I will need to cover.

I'll review the article in due time, when I have nothing else to do for an hour or so. I'll let you know when the review is done, both as a ping and by putting the review "on hold" (Legobot will leave a message on your talk page). Regards, IceWelder [✉] 05:10, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Serious Sam Advance

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Your GA nomination of Serious Sam Advance

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GA Reviewing Process of Super Mario Bros. 35

@IceWelder: Hello! I've taken all notes into account and substantially changed the article to GA status. You can come and review it.

(P.S. I know I said it should be done by Halloween. That was bad wording. I have changes done now, and believe I'll have it to as a good article by Halloween.)

(P.P.S. Ignore how I spent 5 hours today making the changes. I stayed home from school because I was sick, and had literally nothing better to do.)

Also...

Luigi has been discovered to be playable, but was only speculation, and you suggested it to be removed for trivial reasons. However, its now been discovered the exact way to unlock him (playing all levels at least once and holding down the L button on the menu screen). What are your thoughts about this, GA wise? Should it be added in gameplay? Development and release? Not at all?

Also also...

You suggested that gameplay and development should include why it is being discontinued, and sources theorized the reason is due to wanting to sell more Switch Online. Should I add this in, even though its just their theories?

Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 20:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: I will thoroughly look through the changes later today (my today, that is; we might be on different timezones). Some quickies:

• I think I might have seen some unreliable sources being added. Please check the new sources against WP:VG/RS (before, all sources were reliable or at least situational).
• Re Luigi: If this is proven, add a short sentence just after mentioning Mario. For example: [[Luigi]] can be unlocked as a playable character through an [[Easter egg (media)|Easter egg]].
• Re discontinuation: Speculation should generally be avoided (WP:SPECULATION). If there is nothing firm to substantiate the claim, it is better left out.

Regards, IceWelder [✉] 09:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@IceWelder:I've done some revising on sources.

I removed one likely unreliable source,

I've reviewed the list of reliable sources, as well. UGO and VG247 fit this list.

There was a another retro wiki that I sourced to, but removed for now. However, I am skeptical on the sources notability, as it is cited in the Goomba article as well, which is where I got it from. Here's the link:

http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/TheGoomba

Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 03:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikis of all kinds (including Wikipedia) run afoul of WP:USERG and cannot be used. The same goes for TVTropes. Sorry I couldn't re-review yesterday. You said the article would be done on Halloween so we'll finish it today. IceWelder [✉] 09:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:BOTREQ

Still recommend creating a BOTREQ, and linking the RfC. It helps to document the chain of events and giving Primefact (if he does it) a more formal request to point to. And he doesn't respond there, someone else can pick it up. Also suggest describing what the bot would do (which fields, what to do) maybe with a couple hand done examples. I could be overthinking so feel free to ignore :) -- GreenC 19:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Serious Sam VR: The Last Hope

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DYK Nomination

I started a DYK nomination:

Did you know nomination

Super Mario Bros. 35

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• Comment or view
• Article history

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• that claims that Super Mario Bros. 35 was a stolen concept from fan game Super Mario Royale were denied by the creator, calling them "simply not true"?[[11]]

Improved to Good Article status by Le Panini (talk) and IceWelder (talk). Nominated by Le Panini (talk) at 19:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC).

How is this looking? Should I change it? Re-word it? Also, how does the QPQ work? Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 19:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, yeah, I think that's fine for a hook. QPQ means that you review another hook first, but you're exempt from this for your first five hooks (per WP:DYKRULES). Regards, IceWelder [✉] 19:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

IceWelder, I submitted it for review, but its not showing up on the nomination talk page. Did I do something wrong? I know its currently right here. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 14:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind, figured it out. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 02:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Serious Sam VR: The Last Hope

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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for your help on promoting Super Mario Bros. 35 to good article status! Off I go to find other articles that need expansion. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 02:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Serious Sam: Next Encounter

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DYK for Super Mario Bros. 35

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Your GA nomination of Serious Sam: Next Encounter

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Royal Space Force

Dear IceWelder, thank you for your assistance with the article and the Did You Know? nomination!Iura Solntse (talk) 02:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Worms (1995) cover art

Hello there! While i appreciate your edit on Worms, please link the source where you got the new image on its file page on the source section of its summary: [File:Amiga Worms cover art.jpg]. Because readers want to know where it came from and to not mislead them, as MobyGames does not have this particular file there... Have a good day! Roberth Martinez (talk) 03:35, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

KGRAMR, I usually do this; must've slipped my mind this time, sorry! I fixed it right away. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 08:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

P.S. @KGRAMR, if you're curious, Team17 has uploaded covers for pretty much all of its games on Steam. SteamDB allows you to view (and download) them directly. For example, this is the page for Worms. The upright image is identified as library_capsule. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 16:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@IceWelder:Okay then! Roberth Martinez (talk) 16:28, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for I Hate Running Backwards

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Infobox company

With regard to Template:Infobox company, I would like to raise the subject of creating a separate parameter for the "legal form of incorporation", which would be particularly useful for companies that have a non-English legal form, like Aktiengesellschaft or Società per azioni, or other similar forms. In the infobox for Volkswagen Group, I see here that you removed the "Aktiengesellschaft" link in the "type" parameter, and in the infobox for Lamborghini, I see here that you had removed the "Società per azioni" link in the "type" parameter. If the "type" parameter in Template:Infobox company should only be used for the "type of ownership in the company" and not include the "legal form of incorporation", then it would be very useful to create a separate parameter for the "legal form of incorporation". Many English-speaking readers of Wikipedia are not familiar with non-English legal forms such as an Aktiengesellschaft or a Società per azioni, so it would be very helpful for them to have a Wikilink to this sort of info in the infobox. Your user page indicates that you are German, so you would be very familiar with those types of corporate forms. I am a corporate lawyer in North America, and I can assure you that most North Americans are not familiar with non-English corporate forms. If the "legal form of incorporation" should not be shown in the "type" parameter, then would you be open to considering a separate parameter for the "legal form of incorporation"? Thank you very much for your consideration, and I will watch for your reply here. -- Blairall (talk) 18:21, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Blairall, this was discussed recently with no consensus and archived. I'm generally neutral on the topic, so consider opening a new section on the template's talk page and seek consensus for the change. You can also ping related WikiProjects to weigh in. I can handle the implementation if this is a widely requested feature. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 19:37, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your message with that information, which I greatly appreciate receiving. I had not checked the archived discussions, so I will have a look at those. Blairall (talk) 20:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Serious Sam's Bogus Detour

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DYK nomination of Serious Sam: Next Encounter

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Your GA nomination of Serious Sam's Bogus Detour

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DYK for Serious Sam VR: The Last Hope

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— Maile (talk) 00:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Serious Sam Advance

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Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Serious Sam: Next Encounter

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

MOS:DEADNAME

Thanks for nuking your section to concentrate on the RfC. While you were doing that, I wrote a reply to your comment, which I would be happy to discuss here if necessary. :) I'm pasting it verbatim:

• Comment - insofar as editors have limited time an energy, I would encourage them to address the above, quite clearly formed, RfC rather than this vaguer topic, though I recognize that the OP here has something broader in scope than just the works with which a trans creative is associated.

I would also point out that a recently-closed RfC answered one aspect of the question Does the notability of the person's name/public identity at the time of the article's event/subject play a part here, though not for the most interesting case: any references to a deadname that a person used before the person became notable are not grounds for using that person's deadname in a WP article, broadly speaking. Finally, to the question is there a clear differentiation between people changing names as part of their gender transition and people who changed their names on other grounds the answer is unequivocally yes, and the current text at MOS:DEADNAME reflects the current status of this differentiation. Newimpartial (talk) 00:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Newimpartial, thanks for the heads-up. The RfC was published while I was typing, so obviously I did not notice it until after I hit save. I will take your comments into account and also await the outcome of the RfC. I will not part-take there myself because I lack the knowledge/insight on the topic. Last time I tried to make an uninformed argument, I was publicly shamed and painted a bigot; it is something I regret to this day.

As for the RfC itself, it is very focused on media properties where people are credited by name. One thing from my original section that the RfC does not discuss, for example, is how people should be credited for events like founding a company. A particular example here would be Interplay Entertainment, which was co-founded by Rebecca Heineman. Her transition only occurred several years after the founding and her departure from the company, meaning that during her entire tenure, she was known by her deadname. I edited this several times, and it currently reflects Option E from the RfC in lead&body, Option B in the infobox. I don't know what would generally be the best option here, so I'd appreciate your insight. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 12:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

You don't need my blessing, but I think B/E is a fine outcome in that instance. The RfC verdict should offer useful direction to people in situations like that, though of course there will be certain editors who will try to explain how it doesn't apply to them. But I also wouldn't be surprised if there are cases I haven't thought of, where other considerations really might apply. Newimpartial (talk) 16:19, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! IceWelder [✉] 16:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Paper Mario: The Origami King featured article candidate

It's me again. You've probably seen in the task bar that I started a featured article candidate review for Paper Mario: The Origami King. I got a request to deal with empty n.a. spots in the images, but I'm not sure what WP:NFCC#2 means. You did the image info for Super Mario Bros. 35, so do you know what this means? Le Panini ^Talk 21:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, I reworked all four rationales with the project default for VG. NFCC#2 means that the image cannot potentially be replaced by a free alternative (e.g. photos). Screenshots and cover art are copyrighted by nature, so this applies here. The standard templates should usually cover everything. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 22:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

IceWelder, Oh, wasn't expecting that. Thanks! Le Panini ^Talk 23:32, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Neil Druckmann Co-President of Naughty Dog

The official twitter account of naughty dog posted an announcement on the promotion of Neil Druckmann to Co-President amongst others.

Tweet can be found here: https://twitter.com/Naughty_Dog/status/1334993287187320832

Announcement can be found here: https://www.naughtydog.com/blog/studio_announcement_dec2020

Please undo your change that reverted his back position to vice-president from co-president. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TMJTheKing (talk • contribs) 23:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Odd, this didn't show up in my quick Google search, so I reverted the change. Masem found appropriate sources and reinstated the change properly. IceWelder [✉] 23:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

"BOTW" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect BOTW. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 5#BOTW until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:36, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Big Rigs video

Thought this video would interest you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2m0QO138_U GamerPro64 01:18, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

GamerPro64, thanks. Seems like they read our article and TCRF. The video is mostly accurate apart from the trophy change, which was not part of the patch. I can confidently say this because the patch is available on Stellar Stone's archived website and does not contain a new image file for the trophy (and TCRF notes that this occurs in "Some of the copies sold"). Ultimately, though, neither TCRF nor this video is reliable, so the article is fine at present. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 07:19, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Co-founders Gambitious / Good Shepherd Entertainment

Dear IceWelder,

I wanted to inform you that the company has an additional cofounder, named Sjoerd Geurts from the Netherlands. Most of the articles he's mentioned as such are in Dutch why it might have slipped your attention before. Geurts is featured on the last picture in the currently referenced article: https://venturebeat.com/2016/01/27/gambitious-resurfaces-with-profitable-titles-and-a-new-way-to-invest-in-games/ (second from the left between Payne and Hanraets)

He is mentioned as co-founder in the following articles:

https://control-online.nl/gamesindustrie/2017/08/17/gambitious-krijgt-nieuwe-naam-en-financiele-injectie/ https://ag.hyperxgaming.com/article/1914/publisher-spotlight-gambitious http://www.nerdstalker.com/2016/09/crowdfunding-in-crowded-place.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.56.102.70 (talk) 15:55, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Noted, added. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 16:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Serious Sam's Bogus Detour

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Super Mario Bros. 35

Wanna visit Super Mario Bros. 35 once again? Who doesn't? I started a Wikipedia:Peer review/Super Mario Bros. 35/archive1, so if you'd like to revisit and see if you have any new suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Le Panini ^[🥪] 05:16, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, I'm probably too biased, since I passed the GA. Maybe notify the project instead. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 18:45, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

IceWelder, Makes sense. Thanks anyway! Le Panini ^[🥪] 18:49, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

But Paper Mario: The Origami King is always open. Le Panini ^[🥪] 01:40, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Capitalization of doinksoft

The entity doinksoft, apparently for stylistic reasons, never capitalizes its name. See: this entry this one this one this one and their logo here. I'll revert your edit later today if I don't hear back from you.--Quisqualis (talk) 14:41, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Quisqualis, I am aware of this. However, as I noted in my edit, we do not carry titles spelt in lowercase for stylistic purposes, per our guidelines at MOS:TMRULES. For the same reason, it is Pepsi, not "pepsi". Regards, IceWelder [✉] 14:47, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm not seeing your logic. PepsiCo, the company, always capitalizes Pepsi. Other usage will flow from that. I believe that, if doinksoft were to trademark anything, the TM would include their name uncapitalized. If an article about doinksoft were created on Wikipedia, would all mentions of the firm's name (other than in the article title) need to be capitalized?--Quisqualis (talk) 14:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I've spotted the adidas/Adidas example in MOS:TMRULES. Case dismissed.--Quisqualis (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, Adidas is the same. I gave Pepsi as an example because it also lower-cased in its logo. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 23:11, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bad Rats

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People Can Fly - new logo in the Polish article

Hello @IceWelder!

I hope you are doing well, and stay healthy!

Right before the holidays, I wanted to ask for your favor once more. Would you be able to update Polish People Can Fly article with their new logo? I have tried following your steps or using the file you have uploaded but unfortunately, it didn't work...

All the best to you in the next year! User:KillNeq

@KillNeq: Thanks for your message. I'm not that well informed about Polish copyright law, but based on what I'm seeing on plwiki (e.g. on Ubisoft), copyrighted images seemingly cannot be used there. Since enwiki adheres to American laws, we can apply "fair use". I don't know whether plwiki (under Polish laws) can do the same. Sir Lothar apparently suggests the same in your discussion over there. An alternative to this would be to use one of the three text-only versions, which are Commons-compliant, and use that on plwiki. The full, stylized version can only be uploaded to Commons if explicit permission is granted (publicly via a CC license, or privately and processed by OTRS). Regards, IceWelder [✉] 13:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bad Rats

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Fixing Steam redirects

Hi IceWelder,

This is a very minor issue, but for what it's worth, it's really not worth your time or other editor's time for adjusting redirects. Please see WP:NOTBROKEN; basically, unless a redirect is actively misleading or misspelled or the like, it's harmless to leave in a link to a redirect, while the "fix" edit just gums up watchlists. Like I said, not a big deal, but also not really a priority for the future should you see future links to redirects. SnowFire (talk) 20:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

SnowFire, thanks for checking in. While I get your argument, I would like to note that NOTBROKEN doesn't really apply here since the links were already piped, and the guideline primarily targets unpiped→piped changes made only for the sake of a "fix" (essentially as an extension of WP:NOPIPE). I wanted to pull the redirects straight for futureproofing, and I had actually put it off since getting the move through the door more than a year ago. Besides, I'm already done with all of the changes. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 20:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

That isn't the case. NOTBROKEN does indeed apply to piped redirects as well, unless the piping is broken / misleading (e.g. something like [[Steem (service)|Steam]]). This isn't really futureproofing either; if Steam does move again (which you shouldn't really assume, barring something like 2032 Summer Olympics perhaps), then a bot will detect the double redirect and update Steam (software) to directly redirect to the new title. There's no need, and actual minor harm, to do these "tasks", so while I understand you already did this for Steam, please don't do it for similar situations in the future. (If you're skeptical, you can ask at Wikipedia talk:Redirect, if you want someone other than me to confirm that such tasks are discouraged by NOTBROKEN.) SnowFire (talk) 22:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I do think that NOTBROKEN precisely targets the changes I described. After all, its preface reads "However, changing to a piped link is beneficial only in a few cases." (emphasis mine), and no bullet point talks about changing link targets of already piped links (except for #4, which concerns section links). Regardless, the changes have already been performed and it was the only such change I had been meaning to do, so consider this chapter closed. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 00:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Please don't use AWB to make useless changes that don't actually fix a problem. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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Your revert

"This user does not understand English (or understands it with considerable difficulty)." Then don't interfere with grammar fixes by native speakers. Thank you. 2A00:23C5:FE0C:2100:813:B949:960D:D93C (talk) 20:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

The sentence was already correct. Your edit just made it clunkier, hence the revert. IceWelder [✉] 20:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

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