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You're invited! Ada Lovelace Day San Francisco

October 16 - Ada Lovelace Day Celebration - You are invited!

Come celebrate Ada Lovelace Day at the Wikimedia Foundation offices in San Francisco on October 16! This event, hosted by the Ada Initiative, the Mozilla Foundation, and the Wikimedia Foundation. It'll be a meet up style event, though you are welcome to bring a laptop and edit about women in STEM if you wish. Come mix, mingle and celebrate the legacy of the world's first computer programmer. The event is October 16, 5:00 pm - 8:00 pm, everyone is welcome! You must RSVP here - see you there! SarahStierch (talk) 19:53, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon tomorrow (Saturday) in Oakland

Hi, I hope you will be joining us tomorrow afternoon at the Edit-a-thon at Tech Liminal, in Oakland. We'll be working on articles relating to women and democracy (and anything else that interests you). It's sponsored by the California League of Women Voters, Tech Liminal, and me.

If this is the first you are hearing of this event, my apologies for the last-minute notice! I announced it on the San Francisco email list and by a banner on your watchlist, but I neglected to look at the San Francisco invitation list until this evening. If you can't make it this time, I hope to see you at a similar event soon! -Pete (talk) 04:44, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

biographies of editors of Flora Europaea etc

Hi. Many, though very belated, thanks for the barnstar you gave me on 14 July 2012. Since then I've done two more botanists namely E. F. Warburg and Werner Rothmaler, both of whom wrote or co-wrote floras. I'd be interested in any suggestions you might have as to who is still missing. Filling the gap is easiest where, as with Rothmaler, there is already an article in the wikipedia of another (European) language. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Vital articles discussion

Hi there. You have participated in past discussion at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles, namely about possible additions and deletions to the vital 1000 articles. There is a new, similar discussion there now, myself and other users are giving input as to whether they support or oppose the idea of certain articles being added or deleted from the vital 1000 like before. Some of the proposals have been brought up before, and some are new. There are only a small number of users giving their views but we would like more, if you are still interested we would appreciate your input there, thank you. Carlwev (talk) 15:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Radula (disambiguation)

The article Radula (disambiguation) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There is no point to having a DAB for a single ambiguous term. This should be a hatnote instead on the unambiguous article.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Hutcher (talk) 01:09, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Radula (disambiguation)

A tag has been placed on Radula (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G6 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either

• disambiguates two or fewer extant Wikipedia pages and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic); or
• disambiguates no (zero) extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title.

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WP:VA

There are a number of discussions occurring at Wikipedia:Vital articles and Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded that may be of interest to you pbp 19:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Wiknic 2013

Wiknic 2013
Sunday, June 23rd · 12:34pm · Lake Merritt, Oakland
Theme: Hyperlocal list-making

Lake Merritt Wild Duck Refuge (Oakland, CA)

This year's 2013 SF Wiknik will be held at Lake Merritt, next to Children's Fairyland in Oakland. This event will be co-attended by people from the hyperlocal Oakland Wiki. May crosspollination of ideas and merriment abound!

Location and Directions

• Location: The grassy area due south of Children's Fairyland (here) (Oakland Wiki)
  • Nearest BART: 19th Street
  • Nearest bus lines: NL/12/72
  • Street parking abounds

EdwardsBot (talk) 04:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

You're invited...

to two upcoming Bay Area events:

• Maker Faire 2013, Sat/Sun May 18-19, San Mateo -- there will have a booth about Wikimedia, and we need volunteers to talk to the public and ideas for the booth -- see the wiki page to sign up!
• Edit-a-Thon 5, Sat May 25, 10-2pm, WMF offices in San Francisco -- this will be a casual edit-a-thon open to both experienced and new editors alike! Please sign up if on the wiki page if you can make it so we know how much food to get.

I hope you can join us at one or both! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 20:03, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Present for you

Present for you on my user page. ;-) 512bits (talk) 00:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Heraldry and Vexillology project

Greetings! I have requested commentary from members of the heraldry and vexillology project at WT:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology#Current direction of the HV project. Please comment there. Thank you! Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 18:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

muscle
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in many languages on "... Paleobiology, Latin, Galician, ... and ... almost any other academic subject", - keep working on Muscle, we need it! - You are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:30, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 238th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Seven years ago, you were recipient no. 238 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Botany, FA candidate

A group of editors have been working these last months to prepare Botany for FA status, and we have now nominated it. As a major contributor to botanical articles, we would be very grateful for your opinion of the article, and for your support of it if you feel that is merited. Plantsurfer (talk) 19:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Doctor Who Classic GA

Hi, in response to your comment at WP:WHO, really as much information on classic Doctor Who as possible is welcome. I've promoted Genesis of the Daleks and The Rescue using primarily the DVDs, and I'm working on Remembrance of the Daleks but I have two episodes to watch with information text and I'm not sure if there will still be references needed after that (if there are I can let you know). I also have DVDs for Earthshock, Day of the Daleks, The Romans, and Terror of the Autons, though I don't know when I'll be able to get to them extensively. I'd say just pick a favorite serial or something you would like to see improved. I supposed we could make a list of really notable serials...The Tenth Planet, Spearhead from Space, The Three Doctors, The Ark in Space, and The Five Doctors come to mind. But anything is appreciated! Glimmer721 ^talk 02:25, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Rather, I'm offering to make my resources available. I really don't have time these days to write much myself, and have other projects vying for my time. But if you are working on a story and would like me to send reference material your way, I can probably manage that. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:36, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I'll let you know if I run into a problem with Remembrance. Glimmer721 ^talk 17:06, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

You're invited: Art & Feminism Edit-a-thon

Art & Feminism Edit-a-Thon - You are invited!

File:Csaky madonna.jpg

Hi EncycloPetey! The first Art and Feminism Edit-a-thon will be held on Saturday, February 1, 2014 in San Francisco. Any editors interested in the intersection of feminism and art are welcome. Wikipedians of all experience levels are invited! Experienced editors will be on hand to help new editors. Bring a friend and a laptop! Come one, come all! Learn more here! SarahStierch (talk) 08:55, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

You're invited! WikiWomen's Edit-a-thon at the University of California, Berkeley

Saturday, April 5 - WikiWomen's Edit-a-thon at the University of California, Berkeley - You are invited!

The University of California, Berkeley's Berkeley Center for New Media is hosting our first edit-a-thon, facilitated by WikiWoman Sarah Stierch, on April 5! This event, focused on engaging women to contribute to Wikipedia, will feature a brief Wikipedia policy and tips overview, followed by a fast-paced energetic edit-a-thon. Everyone is welcome to attend. Please bring your laptop and be prepared to edit about women and women's history! The event is April 5, from 1-5 PM, at the Berkeley Center for New Media Commons at Moffitt Library. You must RSVP here - see you there! SarahStierch (talk) 23:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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You're invited! Litquake Edit-a-thon in San Francisco

You are invited! → Litquake Edit-a-thon in San Francisco → Saturday, October 11, 2014, from 1-5 PM

The Edit-a-thon will occur in parallel with Litquake, the San Francisco Bay Area's annual literature festival. Writers from all over the Bay Area and the world will be in town during the nine day festival, so the timing is just right for us to meet, create and improve articles about literature and writers. All levels of Wikipedia editing experience are welcome. This event will include new editor training. Please bring your laptop. The venue: Wikimedia Foundation offices (149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105) – Google Maps view You must RSVP here — see you there! --Rosiestep (talk) 03:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Blaming of harrassment etc

You blocked towering peaks so this user can't give a reason. TW just wants a complete deletion of what was written online. It was deleted by Prosfilaes. Just remove the article deleted online and not to let it appear ever. That is what TW was asking and it was not granted. I hope that as editor you have the right human consciousness and not to blame someone one sidedly... a teacher and from california- you know what ethics are199.101.171.244 (talk) 20:14, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Please post concerns about Wikisource at Wikisource. This is Wikipedia, with different admins, different concerns, and different policies. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for December 30

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SF edit-a-thons on March 7 and 8

ArtAndFeminism (3/7) and International Women's Day (3/8)!

Dear fellow Wikipedian, In celebration of WikiWomen's History Month, the SF Bay Area Wikipedia community has two events in early March -- please consider attending! First, we have an ArtAndFeminism edit-a-thon, which will take place at the Kadist Art Foundation from 12 noon to 6pm on Saturday, March 7. We'll be one of many sites worldwide participating in this edit-a-thon on March 7th. So join us as we help improve Wikipedia's coverage of women artists and their works! Second, we will be celebrating International Women's Day with the International Women's Day edit-a-thon on Sunday, March 8 from 1pm to 5pm at the Wikimedia Foundation. Our editing focus will be on women, of course! I hope to see you there! Rosiestep (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about SF meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Wikispecies user box

I just wanted to remind you that you can promote Wikispecies by using the WS admin user box. Dan Koehl (talk) 20:13, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Splitting Cycad

Hi, you had asked me to look at splitting Cycad so that there was a place to link Medullosales. I've done what I think is a basic job. The pages could do with quite a lot of polishing, though. Do you know any good up-to-date(ish) references for generally accepted overall classifications of fossil plants, or even of the nomenclature? I didn't find my way to interesting material in this site. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:58, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, no. And what I have heard through paleobotanist friends is not encouraging in that respect. It's all rather piecemeal, and even well-studied groups like ferns often have the fossils left out of any cladistic study or reclassification. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Now I won't feel like such a dummy if I ask some of them later this summer. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 19:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Streptophya

This issue is related to the one above by Sminthopsis84, namely that at the upper levels and outside the APG system there is no widely accepted classification of plants, whether extinct or extant. I noticed the recent edits re "streptophytes" in the Plant article. The problem is that there are two incompatible circumscriptions in current use. In the Adl et al. (2012) usage (which I think is more mainstream), Streptophyta consists only of the stoneworts (Charophyceae) and embryophytes; Charophyta is a clade well above Streptophyta. In the other usage, Charophyta is included within Streptophyta. See the Streptophyta article, which is poor at explaining the issue – it's been on my "to do" list for ages.

So I think that some qualification is needed whenever the terms "charophyte" or "streptophyte" are used; they simply don't have a well-established meaning when you don't even know which clade includes which. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:39, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

(By the way, I forgot to say that it's good to see you around here again! We need more competent plant editors.) Peter coxhead (talk) 06:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

The 2012 usage isn't mainstream yet (and may or may not be), but you do have a point. --EncycloPetey (talk) 07:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Note that I wrote "more" mainstream; I agree that none of the classifications are "mainstream". Even "established" classifications are less certain than they once seemed; some evidence emerged recently that bryophytes may be monophyletic after all. It makes life interesting for botanists but not easy for Wikipedia editors! Peter coxhead (talk) 07:58, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Most of the papers that purport that bryophytes are monophyletic depend on a restricted data set, and thus suffer from the likelihood of long-branch attraction resulting from noise in the one or two genes that were studied. There is also still a significant problem with undersampling of some of the major groups of taxa--a problem that has plagued all these studies in bryophytes since they started doing them. One major German paper suffered from a failure to include any vascular plants in their study, so of course the bryophytes would look like a monophyletic group in their results. This particular area was my field of study in graduate school, and I've tried to follow it as best I can since then, although lacking access to a major research library has made that difficult. --EncycloPetey (talk) 08:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Re: "Being here". I chime in a bit, but I'm spending most of my wiki-effort at Wikisource. I'm hoping we'll have a really good collection of sources on Ancient Greek drama, among other projects there. Though there are still a few articles I've intended to write or greatly expand for Wikipedia, and may get around to one of those sometime. --EncycloPetey (talk) 08:15, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Chiming in with Peter coxhead's welcome; it is indeed good to see you here again, whether with lots of energy or simply with your well thought-out responses to a few matters. I've been wondering if there is some database of high-level nomenclature or fossil plants that wants wiki-style contributions such as adding the data from individual papers, but haven't found such a thing. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I've seen nothing either. At one time, I considered revising either the Equisetopsida (in the narrow sense of horsetails, calamites, sphenophylls, &c.) or the Marattiopsida, but kept finding dozens of papers out there describing new species and genera of fossils, without ever providing any synthetic articles bringing all the individual descriptions together or providing an updated classification. What I hear from my paleobotanist friends is that gymnosperms are even worse. The only collected work I ever found dealt with fossil bryophytes, and it is now very dated. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this is my experience as well as I noted briefly above. You can find individual articles giving molecular phylogenies of groups, but almost always with no attempt at a classification. There's no equivalent of the APG with an interest in synthesizing classifications for non-angiosperms. Even worse, when you do find classifications, they are often completely inconsistent with one another. The best I've found to date for fossil plants is in the article Polysporangiophyte; I keep looking for more up-to-date overall schemes, but haven't found one yet. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Bryophyta s.s. and Marchantiophyta

Hello User:EncycloPetey

I was trying to add a classification scheme that was similar to the most recent phylogeny of the Marchantiophyta. Now if we were to include only schemes that had the general concensus of the scientific community the these pages would be devoid of many current research ideas. And isn't that what Wikipedia is about, showing the general user the many and varied ideas about these topics. So the ideas might not be mainstream at this point but it shows an alternative view held by some, also it can be said Galileo's ideas weren't mainstream at the time but was vindicated subsequently. Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 13:33, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I do know what you were doing, but the classification schemes you added do not have the support of any scientific consensus. They are the result of a single paper, and also not the result of a general collaboration in the scientific field. The APG classification of angiosperms was a broad collaboration. The Goffinet classification of mosses was broadly accepted by bryologists. The Smith et al. classification of ferns has a broad acceptance in the scientific literature. This cannot be said of the latest Stotler classification of liverworts. The Stotlers publish a new classification every 10-15 years themselves, and there are several competing classifications in circulation. Choosing to use just one of the newer classifications, without a reasonably broad scientific consensus, violates WP:NOR and is inappropriate for any encyclopedic publication.

Your edits have also been problematic in a number of other ways, such as loading information into a taxobox summary that does not appear in the article, and which should not appear in a taxobox; you have been adding footnotes in section headers; and other problems as well.

If you believe that Wikipedia should adopt a particular classification scheme for a major group of plants, you can discuss that proposal in the WP:PLANTS group, which helps to add, coordinate, and maintain information about plants at Wikipedia. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:09, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Resource Access

Apropos your comment at the Talk:Myocyte‎ page, I suggest you sign up for Wikipedia Library access to Wikipedia:DynaMed. There are some other journals available online listed at the library project that might also be useful. Cheers,  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:50, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. For most of these research opportunities, I have not applied in the past because my work and Wikisource activities limit the amount of time I have available to be productive. Since this one does not seem to have a limit on the number of applicants, I will look into making an application. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:19, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Broach / brooch at Azure (color)

The OED lists many senses for "broach", most of them technical, and none of them referring to jewellery or a clasp / fastening for clothing. (Another entry has an unrelated etymology.) Under "brooch" it lists (1) "an ornamental fastening ...", the other senses being obsolete. The etymologies are the same and apparently the spelling distinction has only arisen relatively recently, but it's observed nonetheless: see for example grammarist.com, grammarrule.blogspot.co.uk, grammar.about.com, Paul Brians. Note that the OED itself, though it gives "broach" as an alternative spelling, only lists the "ornamental fastening" sense under the headword "brooch" - OED often includes obsolete variants this way, since it's descriptive and not prescriptive. Hairy Dude (talk) 12:02, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

The relevant points are that: (1) Both spellings are given for both entries. (2) Both entries have a definition of a pin used to fasten clothing. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:08, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Please also see wikt:broach, which is up-to-date. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:01, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

No, as I explained above, the entry for "broach" does not, in fact, have a definition for a clothing-pin. That's only at "brooch". Unless you're looking at a different version of the OED than me? My source is the online version, linked above. Hairy Dude (talk) 23:32, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

The information in the OED is at the entry for brooch, where you missed the fact that it can also be spelled broach. Wiktionary has the same information. Both spellings apply to the jewelry meaning, but the definitions and etymologies in the printed OED do not duplicate all the information, but instead note the alternative spellings. There is no consistent spelling distinction in modern English; it is very easy to find citation examples of broach in published books that clearly refer to the jewelry, and such a citation may be found in the Wiktionary entry I pointed to. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:15, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Alternative use for deformed tree root picture?

Hello. I'm wondering if you can think of an alternative article use for this image, which you've just removed from root. Also, I'm curious whether someone interested in botany can tell more about the tree from the image alone (e.g., genus, possible diseases, etc.)? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sb2s3 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

The best place to ask with regard to the botany would be at WP:PLANTS. But do keep in mind that not every picture uploaded to Commons is necessarily going to be used in an existing article at the English Wikipedia. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:00, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Help Me!

Hi, I have a problem related to unicellular green algae, and i think that you are the one who can help me. i wanted to know which unicellular algae functions as indicators of clean water. Let me be more clear, Actually i am solving an biology crossword puzzle. so the clue to this algae is that it is a 7 letters long word and its second letter is "E". Ankit2299 (talk) 05:59, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Habbakuk

Regarding [1]. You´re absolutly correct, and to be honest I didn´t even look at the source, if I had I wouldn´t have edited that way. What bugs me is that I expect a WP-article of this kind to sound more like my edit, take Jeremiah for instance, "Jeremiah is traditionally credited with authoring the Book of Jeremiah...". I have no problem with that, but "He is the author" says that he both existed and wrote as a historical fact.

Checking other minor prophets and their books, I see more inconsistencies like Habbakuk/Book of Habbakuk, and with Jewish Encyclopedia one could probably source "He is the author" in more of them. You could certainly change Book of Habakkuk (and the "Works" section of Habbakuk) with [2] if you wished.

Well regarded as the Jewish Encyclopedia may be, it´s old and I hope there´s better sources out there, but if I want to change these articles, it´s up to me to find them. Minor prophets states "Scholars usually assume that there exists an original core of prophetic tradition behind each book which can be attributed to the figure after whom it is named.[5]" (there´s that "attributed" I want), and that source (Floyd, Michael H (2000). Minor prophets) checks out (it´s on googlebooks). Of course, that´s not specifically Habakkuk, like JE. I´ll have to think some more, maybe I´ll try posting on a wikiproject or something. If I do, I´ll ping you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:50, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

I could cite several dozen other scholarly sources identifying the author, but having a string of citations in the summary section would be more a distraction than a benefit. Quibbling over the name attached to the author of this work is pointless. The book of Habakkuk was written, and this is a fact. Someone must have written it, and we call that person Habakkuk. No details about this person are certain, but there are traditions about the author, and inferences made from the content of the book. Saying that the book is "attributed to" Habakkuk indicates nothing useful. "Habakkuk" is the name by which the author of this book is known, and is the only name by which he is known, whoever he may have been.

If you were talking about the Pentateuch (Torah) being attributed to Moses, then I would completely agree with "attributing" the book to him. If we were talking about the Athenian Society's translation of Aristophanes being "attributed" to Oscar Wilde, then I would agree. But for the book of Habakkuk, the issue is fruitless. Someone is the author, and the name scholars give to that author is Habakkuk, even though we don't know whether that was his name, whether it was a pseudonym, or someone other circumstance. --EncycloPetey (talk) 12:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Bay Area WikiSalon series kickoff, April 27

Please join us in San Francisco!

Panel discussion at a recent Wikipedia & Journalism event.

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. We have two brief presentations lined up for our kickoff event in downtown San Francisco:

• The Nueva Upper School recently hosted the first ever high school Wikipedia edit-a-thon. We will hear what interests them about Wikipedia, what they have learned so far, and what they hope to achieve.
• Photojournalist Kris Schreier Lyseggen, author of The Women of San Quentin: The Soul Murder of Transgender Women in Male Prisons, will tell us about her work and how she researched the topic.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. We will have beverages and light snacks.

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on this point.

For further details, see here: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, April 2016

We hope to see you -- and until then, happy editing! - Pete, Ben & Wayne

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series on May 25

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. We will have beverages and light snacks.

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on this point.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, May 2016

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See you soon! Pete F, Ben Creasy, and Checkingfax via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC) | Subscribe/Unsubscribe to the SF Meetups notice.

Mass addition of spam? link

I can see Dipentodon adding the same link to very many pages of botanical families. The link itself appears to be behind a paywall and I can't see it. However, whatever the merits or de-merits of the publication there seems to be little merit in blanketing so many articles with the same ref. It looks very much like link spamming to me. I note that you have reverted one addition and I have reverted four but before going for a mass reversion, I would welcome your comments. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}  

I posted the start of a discussion about this at WP:PLANTS when I first noticed it, but received no comments. Dipentodon has gone on to add the same information everywhere over and over, often altering the classification system we're using, in order to fit the non-phylogenetic one apparently used in the cited paper. The result is that he's changed some articles about taxa (regardless of current name) into articles about names (regardless of the taxon to which it is applied). This is certainly counter to what we've decided to do at WP:PLANTS in previous discussions about such matters.

I can't access the paper either, but judging from what I have been able to find, it merely a species count paper by family, and it clearly doesn't take into account the current systems of classification of pteridophytes, nor does it permit any uncertainty in the number of species. Based on those two counts, I wouldn't rate it as a valuable source. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I strongly support mass reversion. (The user also edits as an IP.) There's no attempt to check consistency with existing systems of classification or the existing text. So the total species count for a family may be updated based on this source, but not the counts for the genera of that family, based on other sources. I haven't had the time and energy to revert/fix all the problems I've noticed, but in general the edits are lowering the quality of the encyclopedia. Peter coxhead (talk) 05:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I've left a message at User talk:Dipentodon trying to explain the issue. Potentially this is a good source (although I can't access it), but it has to be used with care and understanding, which is not the case. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, June 29

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have:

• A brief report on Pride edit-a-thon recently held at the San Francisco Publice Library, coordinated by Merrilee:

  What topics might we cover in a follow up?

  Find out more about resources your public library provides to help with editing (hint, it's more than just books!)

  Special announcement (secret for now but come and find out more!)

• Join in on an in person Wikidojo!

  Are you curious how your peers approach writing a Wikipedia article? This exercise, pioneered by Wikipedians Nikola Kalchev and Vassia Atanassova in 2015 and conducted in many places around the world, will help us all - from first-time wiki users to veteran Wikipedians - share ideas, while building an article together. If you have ideas (relating to Bay Area history, ideally) about a new article we could build (stubs and short existing articles are fine), please submit them ahead of time to coordinator Pete Forsyth. (User talk page or email is fine.)

  Announcements and impromptu topics are welcome, too!

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, June 2016

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REMINDER/invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, June 29 at 6 p.m.

Please join us in downtown San Francisco tonight!

If you cannot join in person or want to view portions later:

• To join via Hangout on Air
• Via YouTube Stream

We will have:

• Light snacks, and time to mingle
• A brief report on the Pride edit-a-thon recently held at the San Francisco Public Library, that was coordinated by Wiki editor Merrilee
• A special announcement (secret for now but come and find out more!)
• Join in on a brief in person Wikidojo!
• Announcements and impromptu topics are welcome, too!

Please register at: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cjLRrSTlEkGOPTQ-h6A0WvSFI4ZmIUl6jEHp_RYas-E/viewform and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict.

For further details, see: Bay Area WikiSalon, June 2016

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References

Hi EncycloPetey, to which plant references are you referring to and how to send you the file, more than likely its a pdf. Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 19:52, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi EncycloPetey, I fixed the DOI link in the reference I missed out a dot in the doi address.

i.e. I used doi=10.3897/phytokeys.596261

instead of doi=10.3897/phytokeys.59.6261

It's fixed now so you can try the link again.

Hi, did you try it again, I have checked and it is working and the pdf file is free from PhytoKeysVidesh Ramsahai (talk) 21:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok, give me some time to upload the file, probably in a couple hours. I will send you a link to my dropbox so you can download it.Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 21:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi here is d link to my drop box https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fyjomp7k3eolek9/AADvvR5DL-QBOfL9rg1go3Zaa?dl=0 . Tell me if you get it

It says the folder is empty. If I download I get an empty file. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:35, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Here is my email send me a shout an i will send the file to you: videshramsahai@hotmail.com

Late breaking invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, July 27 (Wednesday) - change of venue - tonight

Please join us in the Mission at Noisebridge (one time change of venue)!

We hope you can join us today, Wednesday, from 6 p.m. on, at our July Bay Area WikiSalon. This month only, we are going to be at Noisebridge, a hackerspace/makerspace 1.5 blocks from the 16th & Mission BART station (see the link for directions). Some of us will be working on the Wikipedia article on basic income. All info here. Some good news - we do not have to be as strict about advance RSVP at Noisebridge, so bring spontaneous guests! (Registering ahead of time is still helpful, as always, as it will help us plan ahead.)

Come and hang out, have some light snacks. Wi-Fi is available, so please bring your editing device if you plan to edit.

Also, Pete just published a writeup of the Wikidojo exercise we did last month. Your comments welcome, if he missed anything! http://wikistrategies.net/ghost-town-royals-wikidojo

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. Mark you calendars now.

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Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, August 31

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have a brief presentation for your education and possible enjoyment:

• Former EFF intern Marta Belcher will discuss crowdsourcing her Stanford Law School graduation speech using a wiki. The "WikiSpeech" was the subject of prominent national media attention in 2015, and more than half of her classmates contributed to writing and editing the commencement address via a wiki.

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on speakers or wiki-related activities.

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Tonight: Live and archived links for Bay Area WikiSalon

Bay Area WikiSalon, Wednesday, August 31:

If you cannot join us in person tonight, we are streaming (and later archiving) the presentation by former EFF intern Marta Belcher. We expect her to be live starting between 6:30 or 6:45 p.m. PDT and talking and taking questions for about 30 minutes thereafter.

Here is the YouTube stream link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t8V79s2-og
Here is the link to join the Hangout on Air: https://hangouts.google.com/call/ezrol7dafjfwxfh2ilpkjyxoaue

You can search for it on the Commons and YouTube later too.

Wayne, Pete, Ben, and Stephen

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Paraphyletic taxoboxes

If Wikipedia doesn't allow non-cladistically based categories in taxoboxes, you may want to fix red algae too. That's the example I was copying from. Gould363 (talk) 03:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

You'll have to be more specific about what you're referring to. I assume you're making an assumption from some other edit, but you haven't clarified what that other edit might be. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry: this was in reference to your reversion an edit I had made to brown algae adding Protista to the taxobox. (The audit trail in the article history doesn't actually seem to reflect that faithfully, though maybe I'm just looking at it wrong.) I had also made a few other edits; I'll need to redo those manually. Red algae includes Protista in the taxobox; you say that that is inconsistent with Wikipedia policy.Gould363 (talk) 13:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

"Protista" is an outdated wastebin group. At this point the higher-level classification of Rhodophyta has several competing schemes, no one of which is favored widely yet, but none of which include the concept of "Protista". That group has been dismantled into several kingdoms because "Protsita" is simply all Eukaryota with Fungi, Plants, and Animals removed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

The technical term for "wastebin" is "paraphyletic." I'm aware of its taxonomic status. Nevertheless, many biologists find paraphyletic groupings such as "moths" useful. I was simply informing you that if, as you say, Wikipedia's policy is to avoid them in taxoboxes, you might want to clean up the one at Red Algae, which reads Protista (that is, Red Algae and Brown Algae should be edited for consistency). I'm not going to make that edit myself, as I don't see it as particularly useful, but you seem to feel strongly about it.Gould363 (talk) 02:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for mansplaining that to me. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:59, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

You were the one mansplaining. I left you a courtesy note about an edit you might want to make; you ignored what I actually wrote and instead gave me a freshman biology lecture justifying the original reversion, which I wasn't disputing. Gould363 (talk) 03:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Your territorial behavior is showing

You seem to be working very hard at guarding an article. What exactly is going on with you? Do you not understand that no one owns these articles? Time to move to one side and stop making yourself look silly. I noticed that you got all hot under the collar about the material I included under "Origins" but then finally bothered to notice that I provided a reference. Nice to have your opinion about the reference, but the reference is sitting on my desk and is good enough and that is all that is needed. Zedshort (talk) 04:36, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Your "reference" is a general textbook by a non-specialist who used out-of-date texts to create an inaccurate general description, which was then summarized by you. It is not good enough, as the information does not agree with current paleobtanical, phylogenetic, ecological, or bryological research. Thank you for your undergraduate freshman introductory course viewpoint, but that's just not good enough for an encyclopedia. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

It's an encyclopedia being written here, not a summary of the latest and greatest reserch on Bryophytes. There is nothing wrong with keeping it simple. We don't need to reference only articles from specialists and specialized journals. Your insistance that only such references be used is just plain silly. If you do not recognize as correct and accurate all that I put in the "Origins" section as true, then I think you need to back to those basic texts and try reading them more closely. Try to get the basics right first. Zedshort (talk) 05:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Goodness you're arrogant. Thinking you know everything because you read a paragraph in a general textbook. Nevermind that the information in the textbook is contradicted by multiple sourced articles on Wikipedia, including the very article to which the information was added. Example: The oldest bryophytes date from the Ordovician, not the Silurian. Example: Bryophytes and vascular plants did not evolve independently and separately from aquatic ancestors, and the land plants are now universally considered to be monophyletic. Example: The earliest bryophytes were not aquatic; their fossils were terrestrial, and in fact only a small number of bryophyte genera are aquatic at all. Example: Aquatic plants lack stomata, but both hornworts and mosses have them. Example: the idea that bryophytes depend on rainwater is a temperate zone bias. Tundra species seldom get rainwater. And besides, most bryophytes are tropical epiphytes, and get their nutrients from detritus, the same as epiphytic orchids, cacti, and bromeliads. Thanks again for your undergraduate freshman introductory course viewpoint, but that's just not good enough for an encyclopedia, because it is in no way accurate. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:28, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

If you believe all that is so, then why don't you just add the material, written to suit yourself, rather than to simply delete material wholesale that I added because I saw that it was obviously missing from the article. Your immediate resort to deletion rather than to consider that the edit points to missing material is more a sign of ill will and territorial behavior than anything. Try working with the material rather than have a hissy fit and delete in a reaction. When I read an article, I come with questions and if I don't find them I seek elsewhere, return here and fill in the gaps. Zedshort (talk) 05:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your unrequested advice on how to spend my time and accomplish goals. And thanks again for for your uninformed opinions about me. --EncycloPetey (talk) 09:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

If you would simply read the paragraph as the title suggests, "Origins" rather than reacting and reading it in the light of present day bryophytes it would make much more sense to you. The event of the population of the land mass by plants was of paramount importance, and it was done by bryophyte-like plants. It should be obvious that the bryophyte-like predecessors would have had to occupy only niches very similar to that of total immersion of water. Their present diversity as a result of adaptation to other environments obviously came much later. Finally, some mention of how bryophytes feed should be made. Zedshort (talk) 13:28, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I did read that section, but I also know what the fossils and the current systematics actually show. The "immersed" ancestors were green algae, and there is no phylogenetic nor fossil evidence of any immersed bryophyte ancestry. There has been speculation since Victorian times, but all scientific research of the past fifty years points to the contrary. The few aquatic lineages, such as Sphagnum and Naiadita, are secondarily derived. Bryophytes feed like most plants: they make their own food through photosynthesis. That's what autotrophs do. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, green algae (eukaryotic plants) that had become associated into larger more complicated things that were slowly acclimated to another environment. I understand that the fossil record for such soft bodied things are hazy, and it is speculation that I am repeating here as to how plants moved on to the land but it is speculation that has sources and that is approriate. As for whether bryophytes had that origin as progenitor of all land plants is the question but some believe that was so. While bryophites may be photosynthetic, they must use minerals and those must be delivered to the plant somehow and distributed within the plant somehow; they can't live only on carbon dioxide and water and sunlight, and they are not vascular. I addressed both of those subjects as they were both missing from the article. Zedshort (talk) 20:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

On the contrary, we have fossil charophytes, both fossilized oogonia from plants like Chara and fossil thalli of plants like Coleochaete. We also have extensive fragmentary and molecular evidence of cutin and epidermis from as far back as the Cambrian. The record is far from hazy at this point, because there has been a wealth of research over the last fifty years. We no longer need to speculate.

The acquisition of minerals and other micronutrients is not "feeding" though. It has nothing to do with feeding. And you failed to consider that (1) micronutrients are needed in very small quantities, (2) bryophtes have far less total biomass tan vascular plants,(3) bryophytes grow in closer contact with their substrate, (4) they do not have the same growth rate as most vascular plants, and (5) conductive tissue exists in several groups of liverworts and in most mosses. Everything you stated then is speculative, without considering these differences, and is not based on any actual research. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, September 28

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no formal agenda to allow people to freely share ideas and perhaps learn about Wikipedia through hands-on editing. Co-organizer Ben Creasy will be looking at election-related articles to enhance the information available in the upcoming November elections.

Co-organizer Stephen LaPorte has suggested doing an upload-a-thon for Wiki Loves Monuments. Niki, the California coordinator for WLM will be in attendance. WLM is an annual event and the official dealine is Friday the 30th for submissions to count towards awards.

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, or a stool and do your own thing.

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, September 2016. Mark your calendars now for the 3rd Wednesday in October, the 26th, when we will have a brief presentation.

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cyanobacteria

The Joneses ARE a family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.61.85.149 (talk) 23:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

But "Joneses" is not the proper name of a taxon, it is the plural form of a English proper name that also exists in the singular as a proper name. The situation is therefore not equivalent. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:31, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Useful to refer those who insist on changing grammatical number in relation to taxa to WP:PLANTS/TAXONNUMBER. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:08, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

You are invited to a Wednesday evening event in SF

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi folks,

Please copy and share this on other talk pages. We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather at the Wikimedia Foundation lounge to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no meaty agenda this month, but we will allow a brief period for:

• Open mic for anybody who attended WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego last week and wants to share their takeaway
• Question & answer
• Open mic for announcements
• Maybe a focus on some topical election article editing with Ben?

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, a stool or counter and do your own thing.

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Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, October 2016.

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PS: Mark your calendars ahead now for the 3rd Wednesday in November, the 30th (the week after Thanksgiving), at 6 p.m. when our WikiSalon will host a super awesome top secret mystery guest mingling in our midst. We will announce specifics at the upcoming WikiSalon.

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Plant morphology Comment

There was a summary left. You meant to write "the current summary is inadequate to allow for content splitting" in your edit summary. I'll make a better one now. As an aside, what did your previous edit summary mean "improper transfer violates terms of MW"? Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)^[1] 04:51, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

No, the introductory paragraphs were left, but the material that was removed was not summarized. In any case, much of the material does not belong at plant development because it is not about that topic. The new article should be pruned / revised / expanded to clarify its proper scope, and some of the material should be left behind (either intact or in summarized form) at plant morphology.

There was no mention made at either end of where the content had gone or where it had originated. The editor thus implicitly claimed to be the sole author of the material added to the new plant development article. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:02, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Right, and I've left a comment on his talk page and added the appropriate templates on both Plant development and Plant morphology, so that's all taken care of. And yeah I see what you mean, the development section of Plant morphology is about development and growth in the context of morphology, not just "plant development". I think I'll leave it as it is and cut down the Plant development article so it doesn't concentrate on morphology so much. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)^[1] 05:18, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

As nuvens

Hi, thanks for your message about the mistake on the page above. DARIO SEVERI (talk) 22:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

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The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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Everybody is invited to the November 30 Bay Area WikiSalon

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Bay Area WikiSalon series: Everybody is invited this Wednesday evening at 6

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki and open-source enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

Before and after the brief presentation we allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks.

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In addition, this month we will have:

• a brief presentation from User:Cullen328 (Jim Heaphy) about the Wikipedia Teahouse
• spontaneous lightning talks from the floor
• community announcements from the floor

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P.S. Any help spreading the word through social media or other avenues is most welcome! We plan to announce this on various sites and invite various groups; if you would like to join in, check our meta planning page, and please note any announcements you are sending out: meta:Monthly WikiSalon in San Francisco#Announcements and promotion

Please feel free to add to, refine, reorganize or edit the above linked page: it is a wiki!

We need more helpers and organizers, so if you see a need, please jump in, or talk to us about it! You can add your username to the meta page where appropriate, or create a new role!

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Reminder invitation to the December Bay Area WikiSalon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi, everybody.

We are excited to remind you of the ninth in the Bay Area WikiSalon series that is coming up this Wednesday evening at 6 p.m.

• Details (RSVP suggested) here (RSVP helps us know how much food and drink to bring in)

What is a WikiSalon? A monthly safe and inclusive meatspace event conducted in organized chaos and we all clean up the mess afterwards. Livestream links for the presentation are available during presentation months, and will be forthcoming for those of you that cannot attend. December is a presentation month.

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Archived link for December Bay Area WikiSalon

Hi, y'all. In case you missed it and want to watch the archive reel; the topic was The Wikipedia Teahouse and the presenter was well respected Wikimedian Jim Heaphy [[User:Cullen328]]

• Archive link (also includes intro, announcements, and a lightning talk)

• Details about Bay Area WikiSalon for December here

The full title of Jim's presentation was: Welcoming and Helping New Editors: A Month at the Wikipedia Teahouse: an overview of the Teahouse and an analysis of over 300 Teahouse conversations during the month of August, 2016

Jim gave a longer version of this presentation in October at WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego, California.

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You are invited to a birthday bash to Celebrate Wikipedia's 16th Birthday!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district.

For details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Meetup/SF/Wikipedia Day 2017

The San Francisco gathering is one of a number of Wikipedia Day celebrations worldwide.

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PS: We need volunteers to help make this a fun and worthwhile event. Please add your name to the Project page, and what you can offer. It is a wiki, so please make direct edits to the page.

Bay Area WikiSalon usually meets the last Wednesday evening of every month as an inclusive and safe place to collaborate, mingle, munch and learn about new projects and ideas.

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Reminder invitation to the Wikipedia Day 16 birthday bash & edit-a-thon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district and everybody is invited!

Details and RSVP here

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Bay Area WikiSalon invitation for February 22

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks.

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Bay Area WikiSalon February reminder

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Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 6 p.m.

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Your invitation: Bay Area WikiSalon series at Noisebridge

Please join us in San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. This month we are meeting at Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace in the Mission near 16th Street BART (temporary change of venue). The good news is this means that you can bring spontaneous guests if you forget to RSVP!

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@Onel5969: Thanks for the notice. I created the article from a portion of the de-WP so there wasn't a lot of text to pull from: I do not have the English titles of his works. I created the article because this author is cited several times in Plumptre's The Tragedies of Sophocles., which we now have at Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi - still not sure he passes notability, but WP:AGF, and not being able to research it adequately, I think it could pass, so I won't tag it for notability. However, it is uncited, which leaves the issue of it looking like original research. Regardless, nice little stub. Keep it up. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:30, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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May I ask you a question?

I am not familiar with English Wikipedia's regulations and reverted by you. Of course is my fault. But I am puzzled about the origin time of flowering plant. In my impression, there started to exist many fossil pollens from 130 millions years ago. I remember news such as World's oldest fossil dating back 130million years could solve meaning of life. And in China, many reports claimed that scientists had discovered fossils of angiosperm from Late Jurassic such as Chinese Scientists Find Jurassic Herbaceous Angiosperm Plant Fossil. I am not professional in biology so I am willing to follow your point of view. Please tell me why you think Flowering plants' temporal range is from 120 millions ago?--空间的拓荒者 (talk) 13:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

There are two issues. (1) You need a credible source, such as a peer-reviewed scientific journal that provides the date you added. For scientific facts, a scientific journal should be cited as a source. Mainstream newspapers such as the Mirror are not reliable sources of scientific data. (2) Also, the article makes no mention of the date. The place you made the change is the place where the article is summarized. So the information should first appear in the article itself (with the citation I mentioned), and then it can be summarized in the taxobox. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

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You reverted my revision to kelp - would you care to explain in detail? Or is the no further reason than what you already wrote? Because you realise (if you have taken any time at all to read the source) that the background for a revision is valid, right? There is no foundation for the families in modern terms.Carystus (talk) 22:49, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I've read the current literature and disagree with your claim. You blanked content and offered nothing new. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:52, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

 That is true, I blanked content, and for the reason I stated, that the eight families are not clear to me, but I believe the ones now stated are wrong. Do you have suggestions regarding the families?

The text I wrote "In the class (Phaeophyceae a.k.a. Phaeophyta) called brown algae, the order Laminariales are called Kelps." is clearer than the previous, it should be preferred. You reverted the text back to "There are about 30 different genera", isn't that rubbish in your own opinion? As for your revision of Laminaria, you do realise that the term kelp go beyond the genus, hence the need for clarification. If you think I did it the wrong way, will you suggest a better way?Carystus (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2017 (UTC) correction: "(Phaeophyceae a.k.a. Phaeophyta)" should read "Phaeophyceae"Carystus (talk) 23:29, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

You still haven't looked at the Manual of Style regarding lead sentences. You keep asking me for more information and opinions, but haven't followed up on the suggestions I gave you about what was wrong. Collaboration is not one-sided. You seem very eager to change something, but don't seem to be familiar with the current literature, or the Manual of Style, or current classification, or the basics of botanical nomenclature. I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to teach you all of that, especially when you seem unwilling to even consider that you need to look at the Manual of Style. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:14, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

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Nice article - I'm surprised there wasn't already on this genus. It would give extra clarity if you could split text into separate sections on Description and Habitat. Perhaps put the terrestrial form image higher up on the page under the taxobox? Galleries nowadays seem to be depracated, but I still think they work ok.

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@Nick Moyes: There are literally thousands of plant genera that do not yet have pages. Sections will have to wait until a lengthy expansion, which I'm unlikely to have time to do in the forseeable future, as most of my effort currently focuses into Wikisource. I just happened to have a little time to create an article here for a change. --EncycloPetey (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I am well aware of that (being a botanist, myself). Obviously I can't know the commitment level of each editor to the articles they start - but I do like to give editors good faith suggestions for simple improvements, should they care to invest the extra time. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you for the correction. Deutrostome pointed this out to me also. Virion123 (talk) 10:11, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

First sentences

Please read all of the following:

• AN report
• village pump discussion
• RFC
• FAC discussion.
• ongoing clusterfuck starting in this archive and continuin today.

All of that happened because WP editors have to add kinds of useless clutter to the first sentence, making it ridiculous for people on mobile who are over half our readers - not to mention plain old web-based readers - to understand what the article is even about. Jytdog (talk) 03:55, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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There is no way in hell you read that stuff about first sentences. What you wrote on my talk page was about something else.Jytdog (talk) 03:58, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Please discuss article content on the article talk page. I wrote the above, because it is general. Please do take the time to read it. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 03:59, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

The links above discuss the problems created by outsourcing descriptions to Wikidata, not locally created descriptions. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:04, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

You are not dealing with the reason why the WMF reading team took matters into their own hands and added the descriptions from Wikidata which is discussed ad nauseum in the links above and addressed particularly clearly in the link in the fourth bullet to the FAC discussion. Please do. Jytdog (talk) 19:40, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

You are not being helpful. Telling me over and over to read extensive discussions without making your point or concern clear does not help. What "reason" am I supposed to deal with? And how are you suggesting I deal with this "reason"? --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:46, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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edited Hi, Sorry for posting this here but I am unable to edit on Wikisource. I am sorry if my edits were disruptive but I should atleast have been given a warning, I will discuss the issue on the Talk page, please reconsider the ban. As for the POV edit summaries the same user [from the same IP range] Zeshan Mahmood has been making such [pro-Pakistan] edits all over Wikimedia Projects, I had reverted all of those without any issues on Commons, Simple Wiki and did not think I would face any problem on Wikisource. Gotitbro (talk) 17:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

You knew another person had been blocked for making POV edits on the same issue, then proceeded to bring the same issue to another wiki and start an edit war with an admin. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:45, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not intend start an edit war. I will discuss the issue on Talk page I did not know the user was an admin. Gotitbro (talk) 17:48, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

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Muscles

Hello EncycloPetey, would you be in favour of keeping Muscle tissue as the main covering page with pages now at Skeletal muscle, Cardiac muscle, and Smooth muscle changing to Skeletal muscle tissue, cardiac muscle tissue, and smooth muscle tissue, with info from the page Muscle merging with these other pages? I'm not really familiar with the histories but have noticed that smooth muscle was called smooth muscle tissue in the past. Thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 13:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

With regard to changing Skeletal muscle --> Skeletal muscle tissue (etc.) I do not think it matters either way. Each of those articles is about a specific kind of tissue, really. But I do NOT agree to merging muscle into muscle tissue or the other pages. The expectation from the average reader is to find a general article at Muscle, and that should be the location of the general article. Even the human anatomy articles have this expectation, with opening sentences such as "The biceps ... is a large muscle...". The biceps is not a large muscle tissue; it is a large muscle. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I was just trying to find an alternative as you are clearly against the removal/merge of Muscle tissue page to Muscle. The example of biceps belongs to Skeletal muscle page as all other skeletal muscle info; still leaves no rationale for separate page of Muscle tissue imo - but it seems we agree to differ on this; thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 15:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

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