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Armatimonadetes

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You started Armatimonadetes with some reference to "Im et al. 2006". I can't find this article. Does it have a PMID or DOI?  —Chris Capoccia T⁄C 12:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


I cited this reference from the NCBI website and posted the link to that page [Reference no.4], which they listed. All you have to do is follow the linked references.Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 14:58, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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wikipedia format guidelines

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Thank you for editing various bacterial pages. However, I am slightly concerned about the use of the Cavalier-Smith tree in one or two articles. Due to the anonymity business in wikipedia, I have no way of knowing your expertise level, so I apologise if you already know this...
Basically, there is an ongoing effort to figure out the tree of life and, to paraphrase Norman Pace's 2009 article [1], it is too early to commit to a definite answer. The most accepted view is the traditional 16S molecular phylogeny tree, whereas Cavalier-Smith's tree is not at all followed in the scientific community, despite the fact he actually commits to firm statements that would be nice to believe (I personally really like many points and the fact he has the guts to name stuff even when it is not his place to do so: Neomura is such a good label!).
I wanted to also point out some minors:

  • Adding references to headers is not a good idea as internal links (i.e. article name + hash-sign + paragraph, e.g. Bacterial taxonomy#Vernacular names) do not work
  • the references in taxoboxes also give problems
  • sometime back I made the template:lpsn to easily cite LPSN to make life easier
  • Somewhere on my user page I have a wikified version of all genera in LPSN, which I cut and paste as an article and expand: anyone is welcome to do so.

Thanks --Squidonius (talk) 04:54, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

December 2011

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Hello and welcome! I edit Wikipedia too, under the username Aleksa Lukic. Wikipedia is written by people like you and me, so thank you for taking the time to participate. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions, such as the one you made to Acidaminococcaceae with this edit, because it didn’t appear constructive to me. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions about editing, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Alex discussion ★ 12:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merging pages Acidaminococcaceae and Veillonellaceae to Negativicutes

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I decided to merge the wikipages Acidaminococcaceae and Veillonellaceae because its desciption was emended and accepted in 2010 by the International Journal of Systematic and Evolutionary Microbiology (IJSEM) and listed in the List of Prokaryotic names with Standing in Nomenclature (LPSN) to that of Class Negativicutes, Order Selenomonadales and families Veillonellaceae and Acidaminococcaceae. Also the wikipage Veillonellaceae contains all the genera of the newly emended class Negativicutes containing both families Veillonellaceae and Acidaminococcaceae. Therefore I reasoned that the genera circumscription of the wikipage Veillonellaceae is the exactly the same as that of the wikipage Negativicutes, but the wikipage Negativicutes has more references and a detailed 16S rRNA-based LTP phylogeny. So why not make the wikipage Negativicutes the destination page for both.Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 14:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Page redirect reverted

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You shouldn't move Spirochaete like you tried to, as it loses the page history. Calabe1992 16:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've requested a proper deletion of the plural version so that the singular version can properly be moved. Calabe1992 16:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, forgot about the page history thing.
But I think the plural version "Spirochaetes" should be kept in preference to the singular verions, "Spirochaete".
Because firstly its a discussion of a group with multiple species and secondly the name of the taxonomic category is plural "Spirochaetes", for which I was trying to standardise the wikipage with.Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 16:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Archaea

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The phylogeny you added was sourced to several sites that are not taxonomic authorities. NCBI, for example, is not a taxonomic database and posts this disclaimer on their website. The added information needs to be better sourced. Also, the linked "article"(?) was not clearly attributed to any group or source, and contained for more detailed and uninterpreted information than is desirable in a summary article. Not every clade to every species need be present in summarizing a cladogram. The clades that are included in such a diagram need to have accompanying explanation since the Archaea article is a Featured Article. Adding disorganized, inadequately explained, or inadequately source information lowers the overall quality of such articles and endangers their prominent status. It is therefore of greater importance to put the effort into polishing additions to such articles. This can be done either in an article's talk page, or in a spcially created page in one's user space, or through a relevant wikiproject group. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:35, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, yes NCBI is not a taxonomic database but LPSN is, I put in NCBI as a link because they have a few species that were not listed in LPSN for various reasons. Don't understand what you meant by The added information needs to be better sourced. Also, the linked "article"(?) was not clearly attributed to any group or source... and ...uninterpreted information..., because I definitely made sure to link it to the 16S rRNA-based LTP release 106 (full tree) from the ARB-SILVA website. And what kind of explaination is necessary for the clades? I have a problem with what you term disorganised, but it certainly is not inadequately sourced. Have you followed any of the links to see where they follow to, they all link to the appropriate website and pages. In the cases of NCBI and LPSN, find the clade name on the page 'click' and you'll see the a more detailed 'explaination' for the clade names and who created them. I thank you for showing me my errors, but can you show me what you think it should look like.--Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 14:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, you can revert my deletions if you wish. But my concern with the trees is not in making them more clear or user friendly. There is a more serious problem. In Wikipedia's mobile version (which appears by default on mobile devices), some of the branches on your trees shift, leading to incorrect phylogenetic relationships. My guess is that this happens because of text wrapping, although I'm not really sure. I agree with you that it is better to fix the problem rather than delete (and I will do so in future edits where possible) but I'm not sure there's a simple way to fix the trees, other then drawing the tree and inserting it into the article as an image (see the tree in Acinetobacter baumannii, for example). CatPath (talk) 06:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Videsh, could you add in the following articles the sources you used in the taxonomy: Filasterea‎, Mesomycetozoea, Nucleariid, Apusomonadida, Breviata? Thanks. Zorahia (talk) 17:45, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello? I found no Lilianae in the APG4 paper, and there were Monocots, Eudicots and Core eudicots...

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So I think your APG4 diagram in the page "Angiosperms" is different from its original paper? Or we have different versions of it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdgzfallen (talk • contribs) 17:43, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gdgzfallen I thank you for your concern, but I inadvertently used Lilianae an alternative to monocot. Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Too much information

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Please do not load details of genera into large-scale articles about botanical classes or divisions. Putting too much information into a single chart or cladogram defeats the purpose of such a summary, and makes it very difficult for the reader to use. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up but my logic was for it was "simpler to edit one page (Marchantiopsida itself) rather than multiple pages for each family of Marchantiopsida, plus I did not have to create new pages for those that do not exist." Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Unfortunately, I cannot access the article you are using for your updates. If I had a copy, even an electronic one, I could use it to assist with updating the liverwort classification. If you can access an electronic copy, could you please e-mail it to me? --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am looking for the 2016 classification paper:
Söderström; et al. (2016). "World checklist of hornworts and liverworts". Phytokeys 59: 1–826.
I don't have access to the journal, and the doi you've used is either incorrect or does not yet appear in the database. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:15, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for correcting the doi. Unfortunately, the PDF download option does not work, and reprints cost €160, which is too expensive for me. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I did try the updated link. The site's PDF option will not download the file. I get an empty download. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I get either an empty file when I try to download, or the site fails to recognize my account. I have tried several times and cannot download from dropbox. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:55, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I have finally accessed the article and gotten a copy. Thank you so much for continuing to help me! --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, Videsh Ramsahei. I don't know of a reputable source for Ciliofaureida and Corlissiida, so have replaced those in the alveolate template with the generic Ciliofaurea Dragesco, 1960 and Corlissia Dragesco, 1960. As far as I know, the former is a suspected cryptopharyngid (under Loxodida), and the latter--a single-species genus--is of uncertain placement.

Frankly, I don't see the need to include all of the ciliate orders. This is a navigational template. Its purpose is not to provide full taxonomy (we have Wikispecies for that), but to facilitate navigation between articles within Wikipedia. The taxa you've added are nearly all red links, linking to articles that don't yet exist. Previously, the ciliate part of the template included links to a few useful articles about well-known organisms, some of which will be of interest to general readers (e.g. links to high-traffic pages like Paramecium and Tetrahymena, and well-known or important organisms like Stentor and Balantidium, etc.) Removing those has made the navigation template less useful for the general reader (while still not comprehensive enough to be of any use to a working ciliatologist). Of course, those links can be easily restored, beneath the orders. However, the template is already very large and cumbersome. Deuterostome (talk) 22:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just took a closer look at the new taxa you've introduced. Many of them are eccentric and idiosyncratic formations that don't appear in any published sources ( e.g. Azerida, Dysteroideida, Silenellida, Schizocaryida, Nucleocorbulida ). Also, Thigmotrichida has recently been found to nest withing Pleuronematida, so has been reduced in rank (see Gao et al, 2016 on the position of thigmotrichs). Finally, some recognized taxa at the ordinal level, such as Ophryoglenida, are omitted. I don't know what source you are using, but the signs point to an obscure Polish site (which isn't working properly, at the moment, but is indexed by Google): http://grzegorj.cba.pl/pl/protista.html I don't know anything about the site, but the classification there is evidently not entirely "mainstream." If you want to include orders at all, it would be better to use a system with strong support from ciliatologists, like that in Gao et al, 2016, or Denis Lynn's slightly older (but still very influential) classification. In the meantime, I will restore the earlier version of the page. Deuterostome (talk) 00:33, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Videsh. Thanks for the reply, and sorry for removing the dinoflagellate material. If I'd noticed those taxa, I would have left them in place, since I am mainly concerned with ciliates and steer clear of groups I don't know well. If you are determined to add ordinal groups to the ciliate section, I won't object, as long as you restrict them to commonly used and well-recognized taxa(like those of Lynn's system, or Gao et al, 2016).
However, as I mentioned above, this is explicitly a navigational template, designed, as the template guidelines say, "to facilitate navigation between articles within English Wikipedia." It was never meant to be a place to insert a full and detailed tree. It seems to me that a navbox containing a lot of red links and a superabundance of taxonomic detail is not doing the job for which it was intended. Deuterostome (talk) 16:49, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Many thanks for updating the phylogeny with citation. However it would be much appreciated if you could in future preserve the indentation formatting of the phylogenetic tree as this makes maintenance much easier. Thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Blablubbs: The block message contains the IP address and port that the bot connected to. That is not always the same IP that the proxy uses to connect to Wikipedia. The bot checks mw:API:Userinfo to get the IP address that Wikipedia sees, and it blocks that. The input port can change very quickly and unpredictably, so the fact that we cannot currently find it does not mean that it doesn't exist. It is currently being advertised as 135.181.18.96:37196, but that port is refusing connections. Videsh Ramsahai, it is possible that a device on your network contains a virus that is allowing people to connect to your network. Spamhaus has seen spam emails originating from that IP. If their ISP uses carrier-grade NAT, we may need to give them IPBE. ST47 (talk) 18:31, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation ST47, this is very helpful. By the way, the entire /16 that entry node is on is a Hetzner range (see also here). Blablubbs|talk 18:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Blablubbs:,ST47 So how do I move forward (unblock my editing privaliges) from here. And also I use my PC at home and sometimes my work PC. More than likely the work PC is very secure (no spams). So the spam emails might be originating from my personal PC, how can I correct this.Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 22:09, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Blablubbs & User:SQL, I have been autoblocked again. My IP address is 186.96.212.105.Videsh Ramsahai

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Hi, when I started editing paleobotany articles, I included dates in authorities, because sources did. However it was pointed out to me that botanical authorities don't include dates, unlike zoological ones, and this convention is strictly followed for extant species throughout the English wikipedia. I did manage to convince plant editors that the style in the ICBN (as it was then) of parenthesized dates could be used, exceptionally, for fossil plants. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi stwalkerster, yes it's still affecting me. Those edits were done during my limited free time at work, not at home on my pc. Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 12:20, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I've seen your change of Template:Archaea classification as of 3 March 2020‎ concerning Asgard members, introducing Lokiarchaeota and Heimdallarchaeota both sensu lato, each comprising one of the two main clades of Asgard, and lowering taxonomic rank of the previous phyla (now classes?) contained. Since this looks very convincing to me I'd like to add it to de WP. However I'm afraid I was not able to locate a reference for this, even GTDB seems to differ in some way. So could you please help me? Thanks in advance! --Ernsts (talk) 09:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ernsts, the tree visualisation tool is Annotree[1] based on GTDB release 05-RS95 (17 July 2020)[2].Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 02:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Videsh Ramsahai, thanks for the information. I'm looking forward to look at these links next days. I'll return to here then. so long!--Ernsts (talk) 04:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ernsts, I am not an expert in anyway, I am just an amateur who currently likes to update the classification and phylogeny of organism based wikipedia pages. If you go to the GTDB website and click on the "About us"[2] page plus the multiple papers listed therein, it states the methodology briefly. The classification and phylogeny are based on 120 and 122 concatenated set of single copy marker proteins of both Bacteria and Archaea respectively, whereas most other studies use far fewer chromosomal and ribosomal RNA sequences. Also another significant difference to other studies is the standardised use of RED threshold values to demarcate each taxonomic rank statistically rather than subjectively. It seems it is updated once per year. Please note Annotree is just the visualisation tool and all taxonomic and evolution information are based on GTDB. the latest version is GTDB 06 (r202), however Annotree is using info from the previous version GTDB 05 (r95)], so hopefully it will be updated soon. Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 14:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see, the first link (AnnoTree) lists for phylum asgardarchaeota as classes Heimdallarcheia,{Thorarcheia, Lokiarcheia}; Lokiarcheia consisting of Helarchaeales, Odinarchaeales and CR-4. The second link (GTDB Tree) shows for phylum Asgardarchaeota as classes contained: Heimdallarcheia, Lokiarcheia, Lokiarcheia_A, Thorarcheia, DTBI01. That's Release 06-RS202 (27th April 2021). So it looks as if they both had updates meanwhile. Da you know how volatile the information provided there may be? I'm more familiar with viruses, the ICTV Master Species List is updated about once a year only.--Ernsts (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Mendler, K; Chen, H; Parks, DH; Hug, LA; Doxey, AC (2019). "AnnoTree: visualization and exploration of a functionally annotated microbial tree of life". Nucleic Acids Research. 47: 4442–4448. doi:10.1093/nar/gkz246.
  2. ^ "GTDB release 05-RS95". Genome Taxonomy Database.

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I've been using this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27The_All-Species_Living_Tree%27_Project) to get an idea of the current phylum-level taxonomy of bacteria and saw you had added a number of phylum-level clades to it (e.g. Moorellales {"Moorellia"}, "Calderihabitantales", Zhaonellaceae, "Desulfitibacterales", "Syntrophomonadia" etc.). I wondered what your rationale was for placing them at a phylum level? I'm not a taxonomist so this isn't a criticism but I am a researcher so wan't to understand your logic as I'm trying to pick a representative set of species to cover current cultured bacterial diversity. --J — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.49.242 (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, 80.2.49.242, the branching order and composition of the clades are totally from the 'The All-Species Living Tree' Project (LTP_12_2021). However only the names of the clades (in inverted commas) were taken from Genome Taxonomy Database (GTDB release 06-RS202), i.e. at present there are no formal taxonomic name for these groups at those ranks/level. Please note LTP uses only a limited set of 16S rRNA molecules, while GTDB uses a concatenated set of 120 and 122 marker proteins for Bacteria and Archaea respectively. Most of those "phylum-level clades" are former members of Firmicutes which is notoriously polyphyletic when analysing 16S rRNA molecules only. Also note, not all the clades are rank as phyla, since currently the delimitation of and between ranks are totally subjective, and I wanted to highlight clades that were removed from previous phyla and orphaned as a result.
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Thanks very much for your reply. So those clades that you have highlighted that sit outside established Phyla / Phyla recognised with standing in nomenclature encompass species orphaned from other phyla? In other words, is it a reasonible hypothesis to say they are genetically distinct enough that they don't nicely cluster with any established phyla? 194.80.232.18 (talk) 09:19, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, 80.2.49.242, Yes they, according to the LTP tree, are orphaned and distinct from other phyla. However, please note the LTP tree uses on the 16S ribosome, which is effectively only one gene (meaning it gives the evolutionary history of this one gene only and not the organisms that possesses it). Where as the GTDB tree gives a phylogeny of 120/122 genes. The more genes analysed is way better to infer evolutionary history, because it minimises errors due to long brang attraction, short branch exclusion, horizontal gene transfers etc. Videsh Ramsahai (talk)
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Hi Videsh; There's a duplicate "1" parm error in the lefthand clade in Opitutales, in this code: 

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I didn't try to fix it because I don't know what you intended. Can you fix it? Thanks. Davemck (talk) 01:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Davemck (talk), i just fixed the error. Thank you very much for pointing it out. Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 02:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Are you intending this to be a monotypic genus in the class? Ie... this article will cover class, order, family, and genus because they are all essentially the same and none of them have more than a single child (except for the multiple species in the genus)? - UtherSRG (talk) 20:00, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. No I was not intending this to be a monotypic genus. My reasoning was, the name of the article is the genus name, so I amend the taxobox to reflect this (all hierarchical levels to genus). Also this is the standard for all monotypic families and higher taxa, if I am not mistaken. Secondly, there is room to add additional species in the 'Species' section. Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 13:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I meant a monotypic family. So this article is about Rozellomycetes, Rozellales, and Rozellaceae, not just the genus. To effect this, we need to tweak the underlying template so that these are not redlinks in the taxobox, and then you should have some statement in the article where each of these terms is mentioned, and ensure the first time they are mentioned they are in bold. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, now that I've done that, I see this contradicts the taxonomy at Rozellida. Please discuss this.... somewhere... to resolve the contradiction. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. Let me highlight the recent release of the prokaryotic GTDb: Release 09-RS220 (24th April 2024). Since you regularly updated the article with the current title Branching order of bacterial phyla (Genome Taxonomy Database, 2018), I assume you have SW to transform the information into a cladogram. Are you planning to update the cladogram in the article in the near future? Thank you. **** Petr Karel (talk) 09:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Petr Karel, yes I saw GTDB has put out the newest version of their phylogeny. However, I don't have the time at the moment to update it, I will hopefully soon. In the interim if you would like to help, I can send you links to resources I use. @Videsh Ramsahai Videsh Ramsahai (talk) 13:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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