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I reverted your changes to List of organisms by chromosome count. It's not clear what you are trying to accomplish there. It's a massive change, please discuss this and the reasons for wanting the changes (which at first glance seem unrelated to chromosome count) in the talk page before doing this again. Thanks, Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 04:34, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, I just wanted to mention that I keep trying to find time to look at the extensive edits you've been making about biological life cycles. My life is just a bit too frantic at present, to give this matter the thought it requires. Sorry. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:13, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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Edits to Amoeba

Hello, Zorahia. It's good to see someone taking an interest in the protist pages. They receive far too little attention, and the Amoeba article does need work. You seem to have a good understanding of amoeboid taxonomy, and access to good sources.

However, your recent edits have introduced a large number of problems, including textual discontinuities, organizational confusion, and major mistakes of grammar, spelling and diction. You have removed material that gave context to later paragraphs (notably, the passage introducing the reader to the now-obsolete Sarcodina). You've introduced new content that disrupts the purpose of entire sections. For instance, it makes no sense to introduce matter pertaining to contemporary classification (such as the place of Laybyrinthula within Stramenopiles/Heterokonta) in a section devoted to describing the old classification system. In that same section, you've inserted a random assortment of taxa, such as Cercomonas and Ascetosporea, that have been moved to new groups as a result of recent phylogenetic work. However, these updated classifications properly belong in the section which follows, entitled Modern Classification. And indeed, both taxa are also included there, in their proper places (although the existing table uses the synonym Heterokonta for Stramenopiles).

The errors of spelling and style are very numerous, and will require a lot of work to correct. I would invest some time in repairing these mistakes, if I thought the structural changes improved the existing article. However, I am not convinced that they they do, so it might be more efficient to simply revert the changes and start over, after discussing areas in which the article could be improved.

It is customary, when doing major edits like this, to discuss the changes on the Talk page, and explain your decisions. Remember, others have done work on this page, and might like to know why you've removed paragraphs, etc. I don't mean to discourage your work. As I've said, the article needs attention, and it's good to see someone at least attempting to improve it! :) Deuterostome (talk) 02:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. The problem here is that I think the most efficient way to improve the article is to begin by reverting most of your changes, and then start over(with appropriate discussion and explanation of changes on Talk:Amoeba). I'm reluctant to destroy your work, but untangling the problems that have been introduced will be quite time-consuming, since the problems are organizational, and not just matters of orthography and style. Would you be willing to roll back the changes, and then introduce improvements in a more orderly way? I like some of your ideas, such as the inclusion of a History section (similar to the one I added to Amoeba (genus), when it was still called, simply, "Amoeba"). Deuterostome (talk) 03:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

OK, I've reverted the edits, as discussed (I left the first one, putting Pawloski in external links). If it is OK with you, I am happy to rewrite the Classification section, incorporating some of the material from your edits. The result must be easy for the non-specialist to understand, since the Amoeba article is often consulted for school projects. Deuterostome (talk) 14:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Re. your comments w/ respect to specialist/non-specialists: I strongly agree! There is lots of room for technical detail, especially when it is well organized and set apart in well labelled sections (this isn't Simple English Wikipedia, after all). A good example is the wikitable outline of amoeboid groups, which provides a convenient way of putting a lot of technical matter in a concise form (of course, it will need to be updated regularly, as new phylogenetic information becomes available). However, we do have to allow non-specialists to gain a quick understanding of the subject without being bewildered and dazzled by discussions of unfamiliar taxa. As you may know, this article was originally called Amoeboids(it was renamed at my request, and the previous Amoeba article was moved to Amoeba (genus)). The change was needed, because of a basic confusion between the genus and the cell type. However, the article has not yet been fully adapted to its new role, and is still somewhat confusing to users who come to Wikipedia for information help with their homework! I think there are ways to accomplish that without over-simplifying or misrepresenting the subject. Deuterostome (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm just writing to acknowledge your post to Talk:Amoeba. I've been working on revising the article (especially the History & Classification section), and will try to incorporate your work. I should mention that I have doubts about your section on the dismantling of Sarcodina, especially since your list is a chimerical construct, with matter taken from both Page's rather old article and Pugachev's more recent classification (which accords w/ molecular phylogeny, and doesn't include the obsolete taxon Rhizopoda). The proper place for parallel presentation of multiple classification schemes is Wikispecies, where Page's old system is already included under Rhizopoda and Pugachev's under Protista.

In any case, the "fate" of groups previously included in Sarcodina is already addressed in the article, in the wikitable which shows the various supergroups into which the old taxa have been placed. That table can updated, and indeed should be. For instance, Chromalveolata is probably polyphyletic, and Stramenopiles/Heterokonta now sits alongside Alveolata and Rhizaria (in a probable clade sometimes referred to as SAR). If there are groups you think should be included in the table, it would not be hard to insert them.

As an aside, I notice that the old wikitable doesn't cite any sources, and that should probably be rectified. I'd suggest harmonizing it with the Revised Classification of Eukaryotes, Adl et al., 2012, which is very thorough, reasonably up to date and as close to a "consensus" view as we are likely to get. However, checking all the taxa will be a lot of work! Deuterostome (talk) 16:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Good, Wikispecies is the right place for that kind of thing. Speaking of Rotosphaerida Rainer, 1968, its placement with the Nucleariids has come into question...Cavalier-Smith has moved the group to Cercozoa ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22317961 ).

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions! I've incorporated two of your recommendations already (the first and the third), and will see what I can do about the others later today, when I have a bit more time. I inserted some references for amoeboid stages. I removed foraminifera temporarily from this passage, but will add a mention of their amoeboid reproductive forms when I revisit the page, later.Deuterostome (talk) 17:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, I noticed you removed Ascetosporea from Amoeba, on the grounds that "it is not an amoeba." My understanding is that certain ascetosporeans, such as Haplosporidium, have amoeboid stages in their life cycle. For instance, Haplosporidium lusitanicum is described as having a uninucleate amoebula that emerges from the spore. Perhaps you could look into this? Deuterostome (talk) 14:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Actinophryid taxonomy based on Cavalier-Smith & Scoble 2013

Hi Zorahia, I've recently taken an interest in cleaning up and expanding the Actinophryid page and its subsequent families and species. I saw that you were the one to add the taxonomy section based on Cavalier-Smith & Scoble (2013), but I believe that their final decision was to keep Camptonema as a separate genus from Actinosphaerium, both within the family of Actinosphaeriidae. I edited it on the Actinophryid page before noticing the same style was used elsewhere, so I wanted to check in with your understanding of the paper before editing the others. Daemyth (talk) 21:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Formatting citations

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Hi Chiswick Chap, I prefer to write references instead of using templates, it is simpler for me. I hope this is not forbidden. Thanks, Zorahia (talk) 19:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Please feel free to write them by hand, but please format them as {{cite journal |author= ... etc if you are editing any biology articles that use that format, otherwise other editors like me have to trawl round after you cleaning up, which may not be "forbidden" but is definitely in the b* nuisance category if you take my meaning. I am not trying to cramp your style, simply to maintain existing articles which use {{cite journal .. with consistent formatting and completeness.

By the way, it is a fact that when people try to write citations by hand, they frequently forget title, or author, or date, or doi/isbn, so using a tool or template is definitely helpful: there are two sides to most things, including this. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Sincerely, I don't like that format. I think it pollutes visually the codes. But I will try to do it. Zorahia (talk) 20:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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