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Nigel Bonner
As noted above, (#35) I have been editing a page you started, Gerald Bonner. In the process, a source was added for his brother, Nigel Bonner, (William Nigel Bonner).
I believe that Nigel Bonner meets our notability requirements, and I would like to attempt to write my "first article". Would you be willing to give me your opinion, regarding notability? Here is a link to my subpage, User:Tribe of Tiger/New Notes, where I have, thus far, accumulated sources, as well as the mentions of him, already present here on WP.
A second request: I see that you have access to "Cambridge University Press". Can you access the full article, referenced as "William Nigel Bonner". www.cambridge.org.? I think this could be very useful.
Thanks for your time and consideration. I like your user boxes. I am also a female editor who is untroubled by "my" pronouns. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Tribe of Tiger, I agree, this person looks notable and it would be great to have an article on him! I actually don't have access to this particular journal, but you could probably get it at WP:RX. (t · c) buidhe 03:11, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- I will contact WP:RX, thanks! Then I shall immerse myself into the mysterious process of Article Creation, or do you think I should create directly in Mainspace?
- I have "four years" of experience with formatting articles by adding/editing sections, same for working with citations/references. I have copyedited and have experience with article expansion. I know how to use Earwig, to check my paraphrasing work. (I do not, however, have experience with adding catagories.) Suggestions or advice on the proper way to proceed?
- Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 04:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Tribe of Tiger, It's pretty easy actually, just start with a sentence such as: "William Nigel Bonner (1928 - 1994) was a British biologist.<ref>" then add sections about his career, personal life, etc. You can easily add categories with WP:HotCat. (t · c) buidhe 04:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Czechoslovak myth
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Your GA nomination of Hitler's prophecy
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why
why did you delete my article how can i get back i dont understand why you deleted? i got all the information from other wikipedia pages. i just dont even understand why would you do something like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nunu135 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Nunu135: Err, I didn't delete anything. I'm not an admin, I don't have the ability to delete pages. Per WP:V, all information has to be referenced in the article that it is displayed in. Links to other Wiki articles do not suffice. (t · c) buidhe 21:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
why
ok but why do why do you even care. did you just hate guatemala or something — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nunu135 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Some input
Hi Buidhe, hope all is well. There have been a recent edits adding a mass of content to the Jasenovac concentration camp and Ustaše articles that I’d like to you to take a look at. It seems to me that the articles are being crowded with quotes and getting long in general. In fact a piece of the same content was copy and pasted to both articles stressing German number of victims as high as 700,000 even though consensus is 300,000-400,000. Just seems odd so being that you deal with articles of this nature I’d like your inout if you have the time. Thanks OyMosby (talk) 00:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- OyMosby, I don't really edit much in this area, I just have the Jasenovac article on my watchlist. The additions on Ustase article seem to be relevant and reliably sourced, if undue weight (I don't have an opinion on that), the material should be moved to a sub-article. (t · c) buidhe 00:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- I don’t doubt the sourcing just the weight given to it. Especially the creation of a “German accounts of massacres” section which seems very specific.Thanks for taking a look! Cheers. OyMosby (talk) 00:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
CTMU RfC
Hello, Buidhe. I see that you closed the CTMU RfC with the summary "There's a clear consensus that this topic is not notable." I don't see a clear consensus. In fact, I don't see any consensus. Could you explain your decision? Tim Smith (talk) 01:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Tim Smith, Closing RfC's isn't a vote. The weight of arguments is a significant factor, and in this case the sources presented for the notability of the topic were criticized by opposing editors. Also, new editors who don't edit other topics (WP:SPA) are given less weight than established editors when determining consensus. Furthermore, even if this discussion were overturned to no consensus result (incorrectly), that would not result in a change to the status quo, because WP:ONUS is on the people who want to include material in order to include it in the encyclopedia. (t · c) buidhe 04:16, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello!
My interest in the country of Slovakia led me to scan the text of Partisan Congress riots. A couple of things jumped out at me along the way, and I chose this way to pass them on to you.
Lead:
- After World War II ended in May 1945,
- The war in "Europe" ended in May 1945, but World War II officially ended in September 1945.
Background:
- By April 1946, 7,000 Jews were living the city, only 1,000 of whom had lived there before the war.
- The word "in" appears to be missing between living & the.
Regards - Pendright (talk) 03:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! I've made the necessary fixes. (t · c) buidhe 04:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Foreign funding of NGOs
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Thanks for jumping in to the advocacy/undue morass
I saw one of your edits in an article on my Watchlist, and then checked and saw you had done several similar edits. By now you probably have a good idea how insidious these advocacy marketing campaigns are within Wikipedia. You've probably come to the same conclusion as mine, which is that these edits were inserted as a deliberate marketing effort, and none of the content was placed to improve the articles. The pattern is unmistakable. Such abuse/manipulation of Wikipedia by a single organization makes me want to ban their domains from all of Wikipedia. Thanks for joining in and doing some edits. I hope you continue to pick away at the problem whenever you have some time. Thank you. Normal Op (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Jewish war conspiracy theory
I did some light copy edit of Jewish war conspiracy theory. A couple notes:
- The first paragraph of section World War II is quotation for its second half. What would you think of moving this into a block quote? It's at the size we would normally use a block quote for, and having it in that format would avoid the quotes-within-quotes issues. (see MOS:BLOCKQUOTE and MOS:QWQ).
- Would it be worthwhile to include the date that WWII began? (Generally, the 1 September 1939 invasion of Poland). That's 3 days after Weizmann's letter.
- "He is to blame for the war" only appears in the picture caption. It looks like a simple enough direct translation, but it would be ideal if there was a citation for it.
I think this would improve the article, but didn't want to clutter the DYK with it. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Your edits to the Anglo-French War talk page
Hello your recent edits to the Anglo-French War talk page deleted comments made by other users. See here [[1]] I assume that was an error?XavierGreen (talk) 19:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
PETA cleanup
Hi Buidhe. I saw the cleanup you were doing, and what appears to be the one article where there was pushback, Sia (musician) . Have you received any other comments, especially pushback? I just noticed the RSN discussion has been reopened. That was my plan, but wanted to know if Sia is a one-off or if there's anything else, even if it's minor. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 20:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hipal, I did some spot checks and it seems they stuck. There aren't any cases I'm aware of where my edits were reverted. (t · c) buidhe 20:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
I wonder if I could trouble you for an image review on my FAC: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2010 Twenty20 Cup Final/archive1? It would be greatly appreciated if you were able to. Harrias talk 10:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Holocaust maps
Hi Buidhe, I hope you're doing well! I was wondering if you had an opinion or suggestions about the possibility of XrysD redoing the main Holocaust maps. I made this suggestion myself and XrysD seems potentially open to it, but it would be a lot of work for them, and they wanted to be sure they wouldn't be going against consensus/stepping on someone else's shoes.
I asked XrysD in part because I think their maps are really exceptional in their aesthetics and readability. But I also think it would be useful to have an overall Holocaust map which could be customized for different articles. Many articles use File:WW2-Holocaust-Poland.PNG, which I find dense to the point of illegibility despite it still failing to mark sites such as Lipowa 7. I think File:WW2-Holocaust-Europe.png is an excellent overview of Holocaust geography, but it contains a lot of information that's irrelevant or even misleading for specific articles. For instance, marking occupied territory vs. annexed territory doesn't provide much Sobibor-specific insight, and it costs the reader the ability to eyeball the map and immediately understand Sobibor's position relative to modern borders. Or similarly, the deportation route running from Westerbork to Sobibor might not count as "major" in the scheme of the Holocaust as a whole, but it's important to Sobibor given that the camp population was half Dutch at one point and that about a third of the Dutch victims died at Sobibor. And I'm sure similar concerns hold for articles on other aspects of the Holocaust.
So that's my pitch! When you get the chance, please let me know what you think and who else you think I should talk to. Botterweg14 (talk) 19:24, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- Botterweg14, I tend to share your thoughts on these maps. It would be better to have more customized versions which are suitable for different articles. While the current maps are quite useful, the ideal maps imo would take into account the following factors:
- The current maps seem to more accurately show what's easy to show, rather than those (admittedly difficult to decide) which are most important/significant. EG, the Poland map shows Lachwa (pop. <2,500) but does not show Tarnów (40,000), Sosnowiec (35,000+), Piotrków Trybunalski Ghetto (28,000), Przemyśl (22,000+), Izbica Ghetto (tens of thousands), Tomaszów Mazowiecki (16,000+), Bochnia (14,000+), Otwock (>12,000), Zamość (12,000+), Siedlce Ghetto (12,000), Deblin–Irena (~7,000), etc.; Lublin is the only ghetto in the Lublin District shown, where hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered.
- Similarly, the Europe map makes it look like there were much more transports to Auschwitz than anywhere else, when Belzec + Sobibor + Treblinka killed more people.
- The Europe map looks empty over Belarus, Ukraine, and Balkans where very high numbers of Jews were imprisoned in smaller ghettos and later killed in a large number of smaller massacres. (harder to show on a map?)
- There are arrows confusingly pointing to Mauthausen from nearby areas, despite Mauthausen was not an extermination camp and the plurality of prisoners were from far away (Polish, Dutch, or Spanish).
- These maps do not quite distinguish between different types of camps. For instance, Lety and Hodonin are marked as concentration camps, but actually they were considered gypsy camps (outside the concentration camp system). Maly Trostenets was an execution site (similar to Babi Yar), and is not described as an extermination camp in reliable sources.
- Furthermore, we have to think about the definition of "Holocaust", whether these maps are intended to show the persecution of Jews or something more broad. For instance Potulice concentration camp (shown) appears to have had ethnic Polish victims, however camps were several thousand of Jews died, (such as Kauen concentration camp or Kaufering), are not marked. Likewise it doesn't make much sense to me to show Valley of Death (Bydgoszcz), since we could not plot every location where 1,000 Jews were killed (on a map this scale).
- At the end of the day, I would prefer a map which shows extermination camps and transit routes, but doesn't try to show all ghettos or concentration camps. Then we could have density type maps [2][3] which would give a better idea of the concentrations of these issues.
- I oppose plotting over modern borders because it is not historical and would cause Polish concentration camp confusion.
- The current maps seem to more accurately show what's easy to show, rather than those (admittedly difficult to decide) which are most important/significant. EG, the Poland map shows Lachwa (pop. <2,500) but does not show Tarnów (40,000), Sosnowiec (35,000+), Piotrków Trybunalski Ghetto (28,000), Przemyśl (22,000+), Izbica Ghetto (tens of thousands), Tomaszów Mazowiecki (16,000+), Bochnia (14,000+), Otwock (>12,000), Zamość (12,000+), Siedlce Ghetto (12,000), Deblin–Irena (~7,000), etc.; Lublin is the only ghetto in the Lublin District shown, where hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered.
- Another factor is that ideally we would have maps in a svg (Commons:Help:SVG), so they would be easy for anyone to fix, edit, or modify, so we wouldn't need to rely on a single editor to do it. (t · c) buidhe 21:39, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- Wow, huh, so maybe I was actually being too charitable in my judgment of the older maps! How would you suggest proceeding? Are there particular other editors we should talk to or fora that you'd suggest posting on? I think XrysD wants to avoid a situation where they put in a ton of work to make these maps and then it ends up just causing controversy or pissing people off. Botterweg14 (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Botterweg14: Ultimately, if you have a good idea of the map you want, it might be easier to make one/have one made suited for that case rather than try to be a map which would be suitable for all cases. (There are free tools such as Inkscape, which you could use to draw your own if you go down that road.) (t · c) buidhe 17:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- I think XrysD's idea was that they would make some kind of template which could be used to easily generate maps for potentially any Holocaust-related article. Was your comment based on worries about getting the kind of consensus that would justify XrysD putting in the work? Botterweg14 (talk) 17:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Botterweg14: Ultimately, if you have a good idea of the map you want, it might be easier to make one/have one made suited for that case rather than try to be a map which would be suitable for all cases. (There are free tools such as Inkscape, which you could use to draw your own if you go down that road.) (t · c) buidhe 17:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Wow, huh, so maybe I was actually being too charitable in my judgment of the older maps! How would you suggest proceeding? Are there particular other editors we should talk to or fora that you'd suggest posting on? I think XrysD wants to avoid a situation where they put in a ton of work to make these maps and then it ends up just causing controversy or pissing people off. Botterweg14 (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Private sector participation in Nazi crimes
On 10 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Private sector participation in Nazi crimes, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after World War II, German industrialists who used forced labor claimed to be victims and opponents of Nazism? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Private sector participation in Nazi crimes. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Private sector participation in Nazi crimes), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Precious anniversary
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DYK nomination of Equality marches in Poland
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A barnstar for you!
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Your closure at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Knickerbocker Gang
You closed this AfD as keep even though it had just been relisted today. Was this intended to be a WP:SNOW closure? – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Lord Bolingbroke, The AfD has been open more than 7 days, it can be closed at any time after reaching a consensus. (t · c) buidhe 23:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- I actually wasn't aware of this, but after reading WP:RELIST I see you are right. Thanks for responding. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 01:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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DYK for "What! Still Alive?!": Jewish Survivors in Poland and Israel Remember Homecoming
On 16 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article "What! Still Alive?!": Jewish Survivors in Poland and Israel Remember Homecoming, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Monika Rice's "What! Still Alive?!" has been described as a "disturbing narrative of violence, hostility, and indifference" towards Holocaust survivors in Poland? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/"What! Still Alive?!": Jewish Survivors in Poland and Israel Remember Homecoming. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, "What! Still Alive?!": Jewish Survivors in Poland and Israel Remember Homecoming), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Xinjiang re-education camps title
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Interesting
Buidhe, this is really interesting article you created Hitler's prophecy. I’ve learned a lot, thanks.GizzyCatBella🍁 23:36, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- GizzyCatBella, you're welcome! It is currently undergoing assesment at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Hitler's prophecy if you have any suggestion for improvement. (t · c) buidhe 23:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- I have to be cautious not to breach my Topic Ban (yea I earned one :(), so I rather not participate, but I'll watch it. I've read it with interest like twice, really, really enjoyable to read and educational.GizzyCatBella🍁 23:46, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
PSA for Penal Substitution
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DYK for Equality marches in Poland
On 19 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Equality marches in Poland, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jarosław Kaczyński, an adviser to the prime minister of Poland, claimed that equality marches (example pictured) are "a real threat to ... the Polish state"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Equality marches in Poland. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Equality marches in Poland), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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New York Post
After seeing this article, I now convinced that it is time we had a discussion about the New York Post. Would you consider starting an RfC about this publication? Here are just a few of the RS that describe the complete lack of journalistic integrity at the paper: [4][5][6][7][8][9]. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Coffeeandcrumbs, Mmm. I live on the West Coast and honestly don't know much about NYP so I probably shouldn't be the one to start the RfC. We also have to separate out ethics violations from factual inaccuracies outside of headlines:
- The false reporting on Boston Marathon
- Chirlane McCray — assuming that she is telling the truth about being misquoted
- Other things were not technically about false information
- Omar was quoted out of context, but she actually said that. (Also, this seems to fall under "don't cite the headline").
- In your first link, the reporter discusses ethical dilemmas but didn't seem to highlight factual inaccuracies in his claims, at least outside "misleading headlines" that he had to wrangle about.
- The piece on AOC's speech looks to me more like opinion leaking into news columns than factual misstatement, although I could be wrong. (And NBC withdrew a similar tweet that AOC called misleading[10], although it wasn't factually wrong)
- While I deplore unethical reporting, not all of it makes a source unreliable for Wikipedia purposes. Based on the above, "generally reliable" is excluded but I would want to see more information before !voting on it. (t · c) buidhe 07:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- In the first link, note the passage that begins "The article was the truth (Austin was not allowed to attend CSI), but not the whole truth." The paper has a pattern of selective reporting to mislead. Also, the last time they printed a correction was in March 2018. That seems implausible for a reliable paper. Wouldn't that fall under "a poor reputation for fact-checking, fail to correct errors" as defined in WP:GUNREL. I also suspect there are more examples of factual inaccuracies that will come to light in an RfC.
- What format do you suggest for an RfC? Is it customary to offer examples? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 09:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Coffeeandcrumbs, It's very easy. You can just copy the format used in the Quillette RfC, with the four options listed, separate sections for survey and discussion. The RfC question has to be brief and neutral, so state your opinion and reasoning in the first comment in the Survey section, with additional info (links, etc.) in the discussion section. (t · c) buidhe 09:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. BTW, it appears they never even offered a correction about their Boston Marathon coverage. The defense of the cover by the editor Col Allan very much indicates a refusal to print any corrections. Foreign Policy also reports on a related false story about a Saudi national that is still live to this day with no correction. The latter article also still claims that 12 people instead of 3 died in the bombing. (Again, no correction.) --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 09:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Coffeeandcrumbs, It's very easy. You can just copy the format used in the Quillette RfC, with the four options listed, separate sections for survey and discussion. The RfC question has to be brief and neutral, so state your opinion and reasoning in the first comment in the Survey section, with additional info (links, etc.) in the discussion section. (t · c) buidhe 09:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Bogdan Gasiński - tags removal
Hello, this is about the Bogdan Gasiński article. The outcome of the discussion was to keep the article, and that the subject is notable. But the tag at the top of the article, about it possibly not meeting the general notability guideline, still remains; as the person who closed the AfD discussion, could you remove that tag?
Same request about the hoax tag.
Periwinklewrinkles (talk) 06:26, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Periwinklewrinkles, If you believe that the tags are unnecessary, you can remove them yourself. (t · c) buidhe 06:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello.
When I created Draft:List of archives in Azerbaijan, I took List of archives in Armenia as a basis for its creation. The latter article does not have adequate sources and links either, but is allowed to stay. I agree that putting internal wikilinks to Azerbaijani articles in that article and expect people to use machine translators to decipher them makes no sense. What should I do, if I wish to create and upload this article in a revised form and so it can stay?
Yours sincerely, Karalainza (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Karalainza, The article is a good start, it just needs to cite reliable sources for the existence of each archive on the list. Thanks for your contributions! (t · c) buidhe 17:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hello.
- I created a new draft and added it at the bottom of Draft:List of archives in Azerbaijan. I have found and put sources for every archive in the list. They are in Azerbaijani (but can be deciphered via a machine translator). I have translated each title of the source into English. Can you check it, whether it is now acceptable for an upload for List of archives in Azerbaijan?
- Yours sincerely, Karalainza (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! Karalainza (talk) 07:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Anti LGBT => Anti-gender movement
Re
Several reliable sources state that the "anti-gender movement" originated in the 1990s.
And dozens more state that in the 1970s, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_Our_Children
with roots in the 1930s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_opposition :
LGBT rights opposition is the opposition to legal rights, proposed or enacted, for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and *transgender* people...
(emphasis mine)
See Talk page of Anti-gender movement for more, read these related articles, and review their RSes there first, as I do not want to engage in an edit war.
Bows Zezen (talk) 07:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Zezen, You are confusing opposition to LGBT with anti-gender movement, which according to sources are not identical. For example, one scholar writes that anti-gender movements are not necessarily "explicitly anti- feminist or anti-LGBT, even though their fight is fought with the enemy constructed by the term and the alleged contents of gender, and even if their struggle may have detrimental consequences for gender equality and sexual rights." (The Emergence of Powerful Anti-Gender Movements in Europe and the Crisis of Liberal Democracy Eszter Kováts, Springer) (t · c) buidhe 07:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Your quote supports my argument: "not necessarily explicitly" -> many of them are, implicitely or otherwise. Venn diagrams, aka logics.
Also see the other Wikipedians work and their RSes, the links and even (re)quote:
...and *transgender* people... (emphasis mine)
above.
Do they confuse them, too?
-> Please read them first.
-> Please discuss this and more on Talk, not here.
Bows Zezen (talk) 08:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello.
When I created Draft:List of archives in Azerbaijan, I took List of archives in Armenia as a basis for its creation. The latter article does not have adequate sources and links either, but is allowed to stay. I agree that putting internal wikilinks to Azerbaijani articles in that article and expect people to use machine translators to decipher them makes no sense. What should I do, if I wish to create and upload this article in a revised form and so it can stay?
Yours sincerely, Karalainza (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Karalainza, The article is a good start, it just needs to cite reliable sources for the existence of each archive on the list. Thanks for your contributions! (t · c) buidhe 17:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hello.
- I created a new draft and added it at the bottom of Draft:List of archives in Azerbaijan. I have found and put sources for every archive in the list. They are in Azerbaijani (but can be deciphered via a machine translator). I have translated each title of the source into English. Can you check it, whether it is now acceptable for an upload for List of archives in Azerbaijan?
- Yours sincerely, Karalainza (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! Karalainza (talk) 07:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Anti LGBT => Anti-gender movement
Re
Several reliable sources state that the "anti-gender movement" originated in the 1990s.
And dozens more state that in the 1970s, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_Our_Children
with roots in the 1930s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_opposition :
LGBT rights opposition is the opposition to legal rights, proposed or enacted, for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and *transgender* people...
(emphasis mine)
See Talk page of Anti-gender movement for more, read these related articles, and review their RSes there first, as I do not want to engage in an edit war.
Bows Zezen (talk) 07:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Zezen, You are confusing opposition to LGBT with anti-gender movement, which according to sources are not identical. For example, one scholar writes that anti-gender movements are not necessarily "explicitly anti- feminist or anti-LGBT, even though their fight is fought with the enemy constructed by the term and the alleged contents of gender, and even if their struggle may have detrimental consequences for gender equality and sexual rights." (The Emergence of Powerful Anti-Gender Movements in Europe and the Crisis of Liberal Democracy Eszter Kováts, Springer) (t · c) buidhe 07:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Your quote supports my argument: "not necessarily explicitly" -> many of them are, implicitely or otherwise. Venn diagrams, aka logics.
Also see the other Wikipedians work and their RSes, the links and even (re)quote:
...and *transgender* people... (emphasis mine)
above.
Do they confuse them, too?
-> Please read them first.
-> Please discuss this and more on Talk, not here.
Bows Zezen (talk) 08:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
English language: crescendo
Re https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/974477941
This is crescendo: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescendo
These are thus its proper collocations:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crescendo
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/206245/rose-to-a-crescendo-or-in-a-crescendo
-> revert yourself, please.
16:33, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Christian views on lying DYK
Just saw your DYK hook for it and it is excellent. Though might I suggest "St Augustine" be used in there rather than just "Augustine" to give it a Christian context? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! I don't think WP should take a position on whether Augustine is a saint, since he is not considered as such by all Christian denominations. (t · c) buidhe 18:00, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- I left a comment on the nomination regarding the hook wording. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:43, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Idea for your next article
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Christian views on lying DYK
Just saw your DYK hook for it and it is excellent. Though might I suggest "St Augustine" be used in there rather than just "Augustine" to give it a Christian context? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! I don't think WP should take a position on whether Augustine is a saint, since he is not considered as such by all Christian denominations. (t · c) buidhe 18:00, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- I left a comment on the nomination regarding the hook wording. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:43, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Idea for your next article
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Hitler's Justice-- if you are looking for something to do
Hi Buidhe, hope all is well! While working on Robert F. Utter, I came across Hitler’s Justice by Inge Müller (author). It seems to be a very notable book in your area of expertise, why I came here. I don't consider myself competent enough in the area to write it myself, and while I'm sure that you have more than enough projects-- don't we all?-- this might be a worthwhile one. I was wondering if you could double check that my brief description of it ("about how the German legal system was complicit in The Holocaust") is more or less correct-- Am I missing something? Anyways, best wishes and stay safe. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:28, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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Opposition Agreement
Hi! I noticed you moved Opposition Agreement to Opposition agreement. Can I ask what part of MOS:CAPS you were referring to? To me, this phrase is the name of the agreement itself, rather like Munich Agreement, Nobel Prize or Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet. The capitalization you suggested seems more appropriate if it were an article describing "opposition agreements" in general, which this article is not. Jdcooper (talk) 21:48, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Jdcooper, MOS:CAPS states, "Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia." It seems to me that the majority of English RS do not capitalize. The first page of Google results include several that do not capitalize:[11][12][13][14] (t · c) buidhe 22:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Thanks for reply! Jdcooper (talk) 22:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Vietnam stab-in-the-back myth
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DYK nomination of Polish Stonewall
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Favour?
Hi - you might have received a ping from the talk page of the Battle of Dunbar - Gog the Mild and I are needing a source review for its FAC, and I think you know what you're doing with this - I wondered if you'd be inclined to do us a favour and run through it for us? Please just say so if you're too busy, I'm sure we can rope someone else in, but I'd be most grateful if you'd be willing to take a look. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 18:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Buidhe - just checking whether you saw this? If you're too busy, or it's not of interest, let me know and I'll go pester someone else. For convenience, since I just realised I didn't provide links in my last message: Article, FAC review Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 09:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
But if those books don't exist...
... content is lost. Re [15]. I stubbed one more: Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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Can you restroe Draft:Lake City?
An article that I made, Draft:Lake City was removed. Can you restore it so I can refer to it on a google docs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zora Champion Mipha (talk • contribs) 18:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- Zora Champion Mipha, I'm sorry, I'm not an admin and can't undelete. I suggest you try WP:RESTORE. (t · c) buidhe 19:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)Template:Did you know nominations/Yeshivas in World War II
Hello and thank you for reviewing my DYK nomination. At Template:Did you know nominations/Yeshivas in World War II, you said that the book, Tales of Devotion, may not be a reliable source. What prompted you to come to that conclusion? Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 00:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Charlie Smith FDTB, there is no presumption that sources are reliable. I take the perspective that memoirs are not generally reliable, as an individual person may be mistaken or misremember, as well as the possibility of occasional hoaxes. If cited at all, it should be attributed as the claims of so-and-so (unless you can find a reliable secondary source which corroborates the information).
- The article also has other issues: some WP:editorializing ("warmly welcomed", "famous", "infamous"), non-cited information, and other sources which are questionable (dead link to "project witness" which, despite its claims, does not appear to be referenced in actual Holocaust research[16]). (t · c) buidhe 01:17, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your feedback on the WP:editorializing problems. I intend to fix them as soon as possible, if they're not fixed yet. It may take some time though, as I'm in school and have less time for editing. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 18:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Tales of Devotion is not a single memoir. Rather it's composed of conversations that Rabbi Dov Eliach had students in pre-World War II yeshivas. Among the interviewees were two students who were sent to do hard labor in the Komi Republic. As for the Project Witness source, it was a webinar about yeshivas in World War II, likely recorded, although the link may no longer exist.Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 18:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Buidhe, I removed the words "infamous" and "warmly welcomed", although I think the saying that the yeshivas were "famous" is a factual statement. Regarding the non-cited information, were you referring to anything specific? I will try to replace the Projcet Witness reference with more reliable sources. Thank you. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 20:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tales of Devotion is not a single memoir. Rather it's composed of conversations that Rabbi Dov Eliach had students in pre-World War II yeshivas. Among the interviewees were two students who were sent to do hard labor in the Komi Republic. As for the Project Witness source, it was a webinar about yeshivas in World War II, likely recorded, although the link may no longer exist.Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 18:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your feedback on the WP:editorializing problems. I intend to fix them as soon as possible, if they're not fixed yet. It may take some time though, as I'm in school and have less time for editing. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 18:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Genocide justification
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Good compromise re claims
Re https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/976588674?diffmode=source
Thanks for compromising and removing OR, bordering on HOAX claims. FYI even the most partisant source (the actors of one of the sides, thus most POV nonRS, etc. for this very claim) avoids "equates":
which pits people against the LGBTQ+ community, compares it to paedophilia, ...
https://stopbzdurom.pl/help-us/
Bows
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