User talk:Tribe of Tiger

Tribe of Saber-Toothed Tiger (alternate account)

    
For in his morning orisons he loves the sun
      and the sun loves him.
         For he is of the Tribe of Tiger.
                                  _{C. Smart  Jubilate Agno, Fragment B Lines 721 & 722}

The tiger: Awesome. Majestic. Poor house pet. See WP:TIGER

"When we wish to correct with advantage, and to show another that he errs, we must notice from what side he views the matter, for on that side it is usually true, and admit that truth to him, but reveal to him the side on which it is false. He is satisfied with that, for he sees that he was not mistaken, and that he only failed to see all sides."

"Now, no one is offended at not seeing everything; but one does not like to be mistaken, and that perhaps arises from the fact that man naturally cannot see everything, and that naturally he cannot err in the side he looks at, since the perceptions of our senses are always true." From Pensees by Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic. Robert A. Heinlein (1907-1988)

I looked at

those articles that you sent me links to and they looked okay to me. it is not necessary to get an article reviewed or approved by anyone before publishing it on wikipedia. That the same person is authoring these articles is interesting, but the topic is one that is meaningful to her (?) so she has written them. it is always possible that she works with or even for some of these organizations, but while writing about where you work is frowned upon it is not forbidden, even if you are being paid to do it. Also feel free to ask me any questions about how wikipedia works (or doesn't work) and what you will get is my opinions on the subject. I rarely read the rules and guidelines for editing which sometimes gets me into trouble but mostly not. The areas I am careful about are picture copyrights and plagiarism or cut & paste editing without noting the source. Those things I don't do. Carptrash (talk) 23:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I am glad to help make your first inter-editor interaction a pleasant one because they aren't always, but mostly they are. New page patrol is a fine cause to pick up. One thing that I suggest you get in the habit of doing when looking at new articles is who the author is. New articles, and many edits, by redlinkers are always worth looking at. I have about 4,000 articles on my watch list and almost always start with looking at redlinkers and anonymous edits. After a while you will compile a list of editors that you trust and I find that I tend to cut them more slack than I do ones that I find suspect. Anyway, welcome to wikipedia and if you need an opinion about any thing, drop me a line. Carptrash (talk) 20:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hello, Tribe of Tiger, and please accept my belated welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

• Introduction and Getting started
• Contributing to Wikipedia
• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• How to edit a page and How to develop articles
• How to create your first article
• Simplified Manual of Style

You may also want to take the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. You can visit The Teahouse to ask questions or seek help.

Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or , and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome!

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the love mate!

Muvindu Perera (talk) 17:13, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Photo of Alexander Prokhorenko

Hello, I don't have any free images licensed in a way suitable for Commons. I believe the best way to proceed is to add a non-free photo (ru:Файл:Александр_Прохоренко.jpg) per Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. --Fedor Babkin (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

A request

Hi! I wonder if you could delete the content from your sandbox? I'm trying to make sure that if our favorite refspammer comes back, he won't see much of our efforts by searching on his name. I've got all the location information now in an off-wiki spreadsheet.

And I just wanted to say that I love your username, now that I am enlightened by the note at the top of your page. What a wonderful homage to cats! — Gorthian (talk) 04:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Yikes! I didn't think about that! I have now "cleaned out" my sandbox. I had to get used to WP's use of this term. To a cat owner, it has some different associations.

How did you save the info into a spreadsheet? I tried to use WP's "make a book" link, but this did not work for me. One of the questions I wanted to ask you was how you did the research. I understand searching for the name, but how did you access the all the IP numbers? Did you see the research I did about the locations of the various IP numbers? I'm formulating some theories.....

I went back thru the list and revisited the articles that I had researched because some of them had reference problems (not related to him) in the citations. As a result, my edit count is now over 500, and I think I may have the wiki-gnome gene, as I like to "repair" citations.

It was really nice of you to make a thank-you list on your user page. This experience has helped me to understand that the behind the scenes work is very important. My username- thanks! I was looking for inspiration, and picked up a poetry book. The Jeoffry poem is a favorite of mine.

Thanks for offering to answer my questions.....I have plenty of them!.--Tribe of Tiger (talk) 06:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Ha! Thanks for clearing the sandbox... I grew up playing in "sandboxes," so the way that term is used here seems about right to me. The one you think of is what I call a "cat box." I'm glad we don't deal with those on Wikipedia!

To get stuff into a spreadsheet, I do a lot of copy-and-paste, then parse the heck out of it using find and replace functions and crazy formulas. It was getting it all back INTO wiki-format that nearly stumped me. Then I found this. Wikitables have some of the most cumbersome coding I've ever seen.

For ferreting out the IPs, here's what I was doing:

1. Start with one IP that had added the refspam to an article, say 182.186.87.63
2. Go to the contributions page for that IP: Special:Contributions/182.186.87.63
3. Choose a different article that he had edited: Basque language
4. View the history for that article
5. Click on the link to the revision history search
6. And behold the perfectly named WikiBlame tool!
7. Plug his last name into the search field and run the tool
8. Wait
9. After it runs, the last line below says "Insertion found between 20:59, 25 September 2013 and 21:59, 25 September 2013", with the dates made into links
10. Click on the FIRST of the two dates to see the whole article as it was at that time
11. Click on the diff for the newer revision
12. And there is the citation, added by 84.13.74.181, and that's another IP to add to the list!

Rinse and repeat.

Of course, they weren't all so straightforward. The history-search tool can be finicky; if someone reverts the insertion, it may not be found at all. I fiddled with the various settings on the tool (it always counts backwards) until I got what I needed. Other times, I just skimmed through the history, looking for additions by IPs that were about 200 bytes, more or less.

As you can tell, I'm a little gnomish myself. Come on by my talk page anytime you have a question. I edit in fits and starts, but I'll answer whatever and whenever I can! — Gorthian (talk) 08:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

can you help?

Hi Tribe of Tiger

I saw you were recently chatting in the teahouse and you offered to help create a page. I'm getting in contact to ask if you would be able to help me? I've noticed that Bupa CEO Evelyn Bourke does not have a wiki page, and looking at the persons of notability guidelines, I feel she's sufficiently notable to be included. Especially when considering other UK business people and CEOs in similar positions already have pages. I work for Bupa and have explained that in my bio and dont want to fall foul of the conflict of interest guidelines and/or paid contributor guidelines.

Our CEO is a senior executive in the insurance and financial services industry for over 30 years. And Bupa is a company that if it was listed on the stock exchange would be in the FTSE 50. She was one of 50 execs to go to China on a trade visit last month with the British Prime Minister. And I'm also pleased she is a big champion of diversity by signing up to the 30% club - committing to ensuring over 30% of the company’s senior executives are female.

Is this something you can help with? I can supply a factual draft with external references for you to review and use as a basis as an article?

Please let me know.

Thanks, Andrew

(Andrewbyron (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC))

Xiphoid process

I'll betcha a plate of Wikipedia cookies that the reference you filled is bogus. Rhadow (talk) 01:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Rhadow Opps, sorry! Saw your note at the Teahouse, and wondered what the heck Xiphoid process was. I thought you had already removed the bogus stuff. I did not intend to salvage a poor quality reference. Baking cookies for you now, do you like chocolate chip? Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 01:19, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Dear Tripe of Tiger, thank you so much for all the work you have done in the last two days for the Juliette Benzoni articlee. I am sending you also a lovely tiger. I love cats - your gift on my talk page was what saved the day. A bientôt as the French say.

Laramie1960 (talk) 18:25, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Juliette Benzoni

Hey there, caught your message on my TP- I would leave the ref tag up for now, because a lot of them arent working. (all links to the website which hosts a lot of the clippings has been removed because of copyvio concerns). As I mentioned on Laramies TP, I think a lot of them can be saved by converting them to standard print refs, but it will take a bit of work, and I have only checked a few. Sadly, there might not be enough info/context for some to be usable though. May have to rewrite parts of the article if we cant use or find other sources for certain ones. I hope that if Laramie isnt too discouraged, she would be a great help with the references even if the coi thing means she shouldnt directly edit. I asked her if she would, anyway.. There's some great stuff on the website, so it would be a pity not to be able to use some of it if its at all possible. Curdle (talk) 06:03, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

HMS Cormorant (1804)

Hi Tribe of Tiger, I am going to have to revert your changes to the above article. The program you used destroyed the references by going from individual page references to the volume. It is often very difficult to find the actual listing in a Lloyd's Register or Register of Shipping. The name may be subject to many variants and it take some experienced sleuthing to figure out where it appears. It may also appear both in the main listing and in supplemental pages, or in pages dedicated to ships of the British East India company. We also need the sequence number. Sometimes when one is scanning down the correct page, the name is badly printed and the sequence number helps the reader find the item. The program also destroyed the links in Lloyd's List. The same and (identically named different vessels) may appear 20 or 30, or more times in the same volume of LL, but only one of the items is actually the relevant news item. Because the indexes are based on OCR work, they often miss items. I have made a number of links over the years by finding not the vessel I was looking for, but her captor, or prey, or convoy mate. Some day, when the program actually works,it may be time to try again. Acad Ronin (talk) 20:42, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Irlam (1800)

Same problem with the program so I reverted the ref changes. I went back in and manually restored your copyedits which were all apropos and for which I thank you. Acad Ronin (talk) 20:57, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: I am so very sorry. I'm horrified to think that I have damaged your painstaking work. Have you been able to recover the data? I will take a look and see what's going on. More on this topic, soon. Sincere apologies, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:18, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I was able to restore everything, I think, by reverting your changes and then making the handful of copy edits you made. I appreciate the effort because I get so caught up in the story that my typing, never too good to begin with, to say nothing of my spelling, suffers. It is an interesting problem as I like the idea of the program, just not the current state of the art. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 21:25, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I am so relieved! But not as much as you, I warrant. Yes, reFill works well on run of the mill cite web and newspaper, etc. Which is the majority of the current cites, as they are copyrighted. I've never worked on an article that referenced old public domain books, like you are using. I do like to WikiGnome, so I will be pleased to copy edit when I am reading. You have the talent for researching and writing, someone else can copy edit, if needed. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:49, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I noticed the edit on Irlam (1813). I haven't reverted as it was fine. Am I correct in surmising that you are figuring out how to make reFill work on things like Lloyd's List and Lloyd's Register? If so, good luck with your efforts. Unfortunately, I think some other articles I have worked on have undergone reFill some time ago and I just took it for granted there was no problem and did not check. I will just have to hope that I will find those articles again by chance over time and can check then. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 02:04, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

No, I have not discovered a way for reFill to work on these pages. I may copy some refs into my sandbox, and try a thing or two. But I don't think there's enough info in the cite address for reFill to "grab". Do you have a list of articles? I would be willing to help check them. As an exercise, I hunted for #5877 in the Lloyd's book and found it! How do you get the abbreviation for "number" to print in such a stylish manner? It is that extra touch of class! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have no list of articles. At the time I just noticed the reFill change and thought "Not necessary, but OK", and drove on. As for №, it's a symbol in the list of symbols. When I edit I have the symbols at the top of the editing pane, and the Latin menu at the bottom. The list of symbols has a number of to me useful symbols such as the symbols for the pound sterling, and fractions. The Latin list has French variants. Between the two I lack for naught. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Signature

I just wanted to comment that I love your signature!!! CookieMonster755✉ 17:18, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

@CookieMonster755: Thanks so much! It took a while to figure out, as I am inexperienced with wiki text. I really like your user name, it makes me want to take a "byte"! Heh, heh...See you around! Regards, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:51, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Reverting my edits

When you revert someone's edits saying they are "unexplained". Make sure they actually are unexplained. Please do not start an edit war. LittleJerry (talk) 13:56, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Scott Israel

I changed his birthday to May 22, 1956. I got that information from his tweets. It's obvious it's his birthday. And the year I got from articles citing him as being 61 yrs old. What's the needed source to let the edit stay? Thanks. I'm mostly new to this. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pairunoyd (talk • contribs) 17:25, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pairunoyd: Sorry for the delay in responding to you. Mr. Israel's article is a biography, so per WP:BLP any information added must be verified WP:V by a reliable source WP:RS. (Also note that WP:V and WP:RS apply to all articles.) So, we can't add this info because Twitter is not a reliable source. The birthdate you added may be TRUE, but WP requires that it be Verified. I hope that helps. If you are just starting out at Wikipedia, there is a lot to learn, and I'm sorry to throw the "alphabet soup" at you, but it's the best way to understand the policies. Let me know if you further questions, I will try to help. You can also ask questions at WP:Teahouse which is geared towards new Wikipedians or WP:Help desk. I put a welcome notice on your talk page, as it has some good info. Glad to have you with us! Regards, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:29, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

John Laurence

I am wondering if anon IP: 2001:978:2305:a:b05:200:0:107f isn't a sock of [User:Onward&Upward] to evade his/her page ban? regards Mztourist (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. Or perhaps a "meat puppet". Since they zeroed in on the marijuana paragraph, and tried to disguise the removal with an edit summary of "a small edit". The IP geo locates to NYC, NY. Does,that give you any clues? Frankly, I don't see the problem with this particular information. But I "grew up" in the 1970s in the USA. Smoking the occasional joint was not uncommon then, and I would not disparage someone for doing so...particularly in the hell-hole of Vietnam when Laurence was there. O & O's walls-of-text at ANI seemed rather hysterical to me. I'm glad you have been able to return to editing JL's article without interference. We'll see what happens. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 10:49, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I really don't know the difference between sock and meat puppets as I've been fortunate enough to not have to deal with them much before. Yes I checked the geolocate of the IP, which only added to my suspicions so I have gone ahead and opened the SPI and asked for a checkuser. Yes I really don't understand O&O's sensitivity, Laurence writes openly about marijuana use and frequently (almost boastfully) refers to his drinking abilities, which, as you say, would have been perfectly understandable in the circumstances. best regards Mztourist (talk) 11:14, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Mztsouris launched the "John Laurence" page with three paragraphs based on Laurence's award-winning 850 page memoir: "The Cat from Hue: a Vietnam War Story." Those paragraphs were: 1) a disparaging comment about his drug use at a Saigon hangout for reporters; 2) a false claim that Laurence's reporting became "more cynical" as the war went on; and 3) his reporting of the killing of allied soldiers caused "outrage" when broadcast, making it seem as though there was something wrong with the report. What else to conclude than Mztsouris's motive was to defame Laurence's reputation? Otherwise, why not say something decent about the man and his book instead of writing three negative paragraphs? All of the copy about Laurence's achievements as a network television reporter, a documentary filmmaker and author were added by Onward&Upward. Whereupon Mz had O&U banned from adding anything else to the page because he is a member of Laurence's family. Who is biased here? Truly? 88.97.102.10 (talk) 13:08, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, so we have definite confirmation that User:Onward&Upward uses IP socks!!! regards Mztourist (talk) 09:29, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Do you know this piece?

Judging by your username, you may know at least some of the words. (Not the best performance I've ever heard, but the best I can find on YouTube.) "For I will consider my cat Jeoffry..." Narky Blert (talk) 22:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, @Narky Blert: I never thought to look for a recording of this. I based my user name on the poem by Christopher Smart, see my user page for the passage, and link to the WP article. I had forgotten that Britten set the poem to music! Anyone who has ever been "owned by a cat" can attest to the truthfulness of Smart's descriptions. Jeoffry is a famous cat and his poem is charming and rather moving, IMO. Nice to meet you! Meow! Regards, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

K2-155d

Just curious, but what do you think about my article so far? LovelyGirl7 talk 12:42, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Arthur Margoschis

Johnson.devaraj (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Thanks for the changes you have made to my draft article. The article Draft:Arthur Margoschis is a very important one to the Christian world, and also to the Nadar people of South India and Srilanka. We don't want the History and Wikipedia to miss Arthur Margoschis. We are grateful for whatever contribution you made to this article. Also, we request you to help us streamline this draft article into an encyclopedic format, and make this article move into the main space of Wikipedia. Thanks again. Johnson.devaraj (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

BLP box popped up again

Thank you for your help last time on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Korwin Looks like the BLP box popped up again. Any ideas for revisions to be made to the article or tips for future reference? Tqiwiki (talk) 20:35, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Aylesford Priory

Hi there, You'll have to forgive me, I'm new to all of this. I have noticed you put a reference after mentioning Aylesford Pottery on the Aylesford Priory article but the ref relates to the Newsletter for Aylesford Priory. Was you meant to do this? I have been trying to write next to the 1 and 2 on the references and I cant seem to work out how to do it!!. Thanks NewsletterKelly (talk) 11:58, 16 July 2019 (UTC) NewsletterKelly

Sorry for the error. I have a new ipad & couldn't discover how to paste, plus I have forgotten much of what I used to know about repairing references. while I have fixed the problem noted above I still have additional work to do/relearn. Give me a couple of days...also I will try to find some referencing info on WP to point you towards. Regards, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

You're a star!! thank you for your help. The frist time I changed quite a lot it all got taken off and deleted so I'm trying to do it carefully. Also, i have some lovely photo's of Aylesford Priory that i'll put on too when I can. Thanks for your help again. NewsletterKelly (talk) 12:23, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Some links

https://www.wired.com/2005/03/wiki/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/digitalrevolution/2009/10/rushes-sequences-einar-kvaran.shtml and another. http://www.bbc.co.uk/virtualrevolution/interviews.shtml
and here is my view. https://www.flickr.com/photos/60188803@N00/albums/72157622199565367
The BBC wanted to get some shots of me playing with a couple of bands (very local, Northern New Mexico village stuff) so we set up a bash in the library park and they arrived half way through. Then it was over to my place for more BBCing. They sent me a copy of the show but I loaned it out and never saw it again. Oh well, fame is fleeting for sure. Enjoy, and please pass it on to Billy Bob. Carptrash (talk) 04:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Carptrash Thanks for the links. I have not read them all throughly, but the "Wired" article, really spoke to me. Despite my own lack of "formal credentials", I hope that I have something to offer WP, even if it's only wikignoming. This is a major strength of WP...harnessing the abilities of intelligent people, without requiring "proof" of credentials. An amateur, in the original/best sense of the word, can benefit others through their specialized knowledge, as you have done for a number of years. Kudos! and thanks!

As a native of NC, I have lived here, or in SC, all of my life. I grew up listening to people talk like Billy Bob, particularly my paternal grandmother. She was born in 1898, and used to amaze us with her stories of hitching up the horses to a wagon, so that her father could deliver pottery (butter) churns to the train depot. She played both the piano and the banjo, which we viewed as an exotic instrument in my childhood.

Despite his "complaints", Billy Bob is "tickled" by by your Halloween get up, and would be pleased to enjoy your music making. The flickr photos remind me of our local Eno Festival. Best wishes to you, as always...Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:11, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Some day I'll tell you about how I think all this stuff, Wired & the BBC happened, and it has nothing to do with my wikiprowess. But I'd rather not do this sort of speculation in the open. I once realized that at the time my grandmother was born the Wright Brothers had not yet flown and by the time she died people were walking on the moon. Hard to imagine, but these are the facts. The only coin of the realm on wikipedia. Carptrash (talk) 02:23, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Just wanted to thank you for your help on Louis G. Dreyfus!

—Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 20:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

@Javert2113: You are very welcome! Impressive info box, on the article, not to mention your user page! My two adult cats are staring at me right now, hoping that I don't intend to adopt the cute kitten. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Removal of Links

Thanks for tending to those paywall/subscription-based links. I had run them by my client before removal but you beat me to it. Sccros (talk) 21:56, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sccros: Glad to help, but all I did (I think?!) was to correct the error notice (shows up in RED), that a url was in the "title" parameter. Normally, I am leery of editing in someone else's sandbox, but assisting with the formatting of refs seems like the helpful thing to do. Best of luck to you and your project. Your personal thank you is very much appreciated! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sccros: Okay, now I see that I also consolidated two refs. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Keeping You in the Loop

Tribe of Tiger:

In case you're still going through my article-space contributions, I wanted to inform you that I've moved my list from my profile page to a subpage, "Articles". It's just gotten a bit too unwieldy over time, what with me inching toward twenty total articles soon, and so I decided to move it somewhere else.

Anyway, I'm rambling, so thank you for your patience, and have a great day! — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 23:49, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Just wanted to thank you for, well, cleaning up my messes. Setting that failed joke aside, though: I truly appreciate all the work you do in keeping Wikipedia articles perfectly impeccable in terms of grammar, spelling, and style. Thank you again. — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 23:28, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Curly apostrophes

Hi TT,

I added a few hundred titles to your sandbox. Note however that some of these have other problems than just a curly apostrophe, so some care is needed. A few don't even match what's in the article, others have other formatting or wording issues. For example, there are a number of articles on Belarus that were translated from Belarussian or Russian, and the titles are not in colloquial English. (Many of these can be spotted by the en dash in place of a 'be' verb after the bolded phrase in the first line, or there is a 'be' verb but they forgot to remove the dash.) An example is Skvortsov_doctor’s_house (which I'm pasting here rather than in your sandbox). In the original, 'doctors' is in the plural, and I don't know what it actually means. There are other cases where a title has "-'s" but probably shouldn't. In some cases I've just deleted it, in others changed "X's" to "of X", etc. Another common problem is titles being capitalized throughout, despite being descriptive phrases rather than proper names.

Anyway, have fun! — kwami (talk) 01:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy notice - Fringe theories and pseudoscience

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in pseudoscience and fringe science. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

--Hipal/Ronz (talk) 23:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Hipal Thank you for this courtesy. Please see my apology and withdrawal on the Bates talk page. Although I wish to support the debunking of Pseudoscience/fringe topics, I now recognise that I do not possess the expertise to appreciate the nuances of editing in regards to this article. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:MEDMOS2020

Hi Tribe of Tiger. Do you realize that WP:MEDMOS2020 has a corresponding arbitration and sanctions, WP:ARBMED? I believe editors have been rather cautious on what edits they make on the topic since the arbitration closed. Have you reviewed the past discussions, or noticed how the editing has been going since? If there weren't sanctions in place, I'd remove your addition of "TXA is inexpensive and treatment..." to Tranexamic acid for the many reasons given in the past discussions. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 17:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Hipal/Ronz, I followed the Arbcom case, and then read the entire MEDMOS2020 RfC, which took considerable time. Have also followed some of the editing. If you will review all of the edits I made at Tranexamic acid, you will, please, note that I copied this stmt from the body of the article. (I did not write it, or "add" it to the article myself). The stmt is still located under "Society and culture".

As it had a supporting secondary source, (a good one, I believed) I thought it might be okay to substitute it for the primary sourced prices, which I had removed from the lede. However, as you have voiced an objection, I wiil remove the stmt from the lede, ASAP. I will also add a subheading under S&C, labeled "Cost". Hope that is okay. I will add the section in a separate edit, which you can "undo", I think, without risking sanction, as it would be a minor copyedit revert.

Earlier, you pointed out my mistake at the Bates method article, see previous talk post. I really appreciate your willingness to engage with me, by pointing out any errors I have made, including this new one at TA. I am very willing to learn from my mistakes, and I am grateful to you for your willingness to "teach me" by offering correction. (This senior-citizen "old dog" is willing to learn new tricks!) Again, my thanks to you. Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:10, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Kudos for reading through all that.

My take on dealing with costs of the form "inexpensive", "expensive", etc:

• It doesn't belong in the lede unless highly noteworthy.
• It needs to be qualified with the year, location, and other such factors.
• The quality of references for such information should be very high.

There are many hundreds of articles with problematic medical pricing content. Until there is a coordinated cleanup effort, any cost-related content currently in an article needs at least some careful review. I wouldn't add anything to the lede unless it's an obvious area of notability. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hipal/Ronz Yes, the "reading through" was a mind-expanding and mind-blowing learning experience! Per your comments above, I now know that we are in agreement on all three counts. I have been doing my best to fly under the radar, while working through the 500 plus list. And I "tell you true" that TA was the only article to which I added (any, or any already stated) price info into the lede. I will Not Do That again. Prior to the TA article, I had aways deleted, only. And per the prior recommendations I received, I have provided the good edit summary.

I have noticed that (at least two) other editors are of the same mind, because they had already done the deed, before I arrived at a listed article. One of the editors was informed (by a third party) of my intention to "gnome", and the other has, no doubt, noticed my activities. So, I think there is a "coordinated cleanup effort", but it has not been formally declared, for good reason.

So, I hope that you and I are in accord. Please contact me if you have concerns, etc. etc. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

There are over 600 articles, and I expect there are many more. At some point we'll need to work on some guidelines to take it all on, but obviously no one is in a rush.

Thanks for your work. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I was just checking how many are left for MSHGuide, and there are not that many. See this special links list. It looks like less than 100. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia Yes, as noted, "people" have worked to resolve the problem without fanfare, and that is for the best, IMO. Should be resolved soon.... My respect to you, for your efforts in the MED area and the link. Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

"Filled in 1 bare reference(s) with reFill 2"

Hi noticed this note when you made the last edit to GWAR. I can't find anything about reFill 2 when I googled it - well, actually, I did find some things but not anything about what it is and how to use it. Was wondering if you could point me in the right direction. I have added references before I had an account, but I always just used "ref" and "/ref" and put a URL in between, because I didn't know how to get all fancy. In loco parenti (talk) 02:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Will do, give me few minutes, editing at the Teahouse, per the GWAR problem. Back to you soon...Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

in loco parenti I am not very tech savvy, and type like a turtle, one finger mostly, two when I am in fine fettle (some physical problems). So, using reFill is marvelous!!

Anyway, at the top of each of each article, is a Page tab. Click here, choose Tools, and then Expand bare references. Then wait a bit. Once Success! pops up, press Preview/save, which takes you back to your page, where you can preview the changes, which are shown in the right column. Save the changes/publish, as usual, and you are good to go! It is very satisfying to see those dreadful bare urls turn into lovely formatted citations!

Okay, my friend, the situation at Gwar looks weird to me, too. But I tell you true that "our" cause is a lost cause. Hoary would have checked the situation over before commenting. (I asked for additional help at the Teahouse, that is why he came to have a look.) I am sorry that NJZ may not have been friendly/kind/welcoming, but please, do not pursue this any further. Tilting at the monstrous WP windmill...will not work out well. From my standpoint of 4 plus years, I am giving you good advice. I suspect that you have a lot to offer, if you wish to do so, by continuing to edit. But WP has an enormous amt of strange and arcane rules, like the rest of the world, sigh.

It is a learning experience...see, now you know how to fill in bare refs! And a total stranger tried to help you! Sorry it takes me so long to reply, but you have a wiki-friend. Let me know if you have questions, etc., and I will try to help. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

reply

Thank you Tribe of Tiger. I will try to wade through that stuff eventually. In the meantime, I think the GWARbar argument needs more people to weigh in because so far there are only 4 people that have offered an opinion. I would like to find out if there are more lists I can add the request for comment page to, and how to add it. I did ask about this at the Request for Comment talk page, but I do not know how often people read that, it looks like the date stamps on posts show that not too many people comment there. In loco parenti (talk) 11:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

So, after I posted this I think I found it. I added "media" inside the RFC "template" as a new topic area. That seems to have worked. You are right about the "strange and arcane rules". Took me a while to find that page with the instructions on how to do that, and even then I felt like I was guessing. The "show preview" button is very useful, turns out. In loco parenti (talk) 11:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

in loco parenti, have a look at the Gwar article, and the section name. It has been that way since I changed it. With all the arguing on the talk page, it went unnoticed. Don't say anything about it, and it will probably stay that way, ESPECIALLY if you refrain from making any edit to the article or talkpage in the near future.

At the top of each article is a little star. If you press it, it puts the article/talkpage on your Watchlist, so most likely NJZ has a watch on Gwar, as do I, any changes made now will draw attention.....Not sure what to say about your posts at Wikiprojects, since we have what we want for now. Suggest a wait and see mindset. Also, WP does have a sense of humor, and this short humorous essay makes some good observations, that apply here. Please read it! WP:STICK. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

citation problem

hi Tribe of the Tiger, thanks for the help with the Handschriftencensus article and for the congrats. I am presently having difficulties with a a citation for an edit in the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BCbeck_law The earliest Latin manuscript transmitting the Lubeck Law dates to 1226, the oldest Middle Low German manuscript to 1270. The earliest reference to a Lübeck Law manuscript is attributed to 1188. The Lübeck Law is influenced by the merchants from Westphalia who settled Lübeck as well as by the Holstein land law and the Schleswig Law.

Buchhester, Dörthe & Mario, Müller (2014) [1st pub. 2014]. "Lübisches Recht". In Achnitz, Wolfgang (ed.). Deutsches Literatur Lexikon des Mittelalters, Band 6 das wissensvermittelnde Literatur bis zum Ausgang des 14. Jahrhunderts (in German). Walter de Gruyter Verlag. pp. 508–516. ISBN 978-3-598-24996-9.

Somehow I can't get it to make a footnote. Could you please help? Its probably child's play for you. There is so much that is false in this article, that 95% of it should be deleted. I am shocked that there is only 1 reference, even that reference (Ebel) does not accurately reflect the source. Since I have been concentrating on the Lübeck Law in my studies for the last year I could try to improve the article. Thanks, Hroberth Dunbar (talk · contribs)

@Hroberth Dunbar::I think I have fixed the problem. When you add a inline citation, you Must enclose it with the ref tags. They are helpfully supplied for use just below the "typing panel" that we use to edit. Just click the spot in your article, click on the ref tags:...<ref></ref> ... and then insert your cite btw the tags,... <ref>Insert here</ref>...

Does that help? I am going to post some helpful info on your talk, for future reference.

Another thought. This article was started in 2006, when some of the present rules may not have been in place.

If you could add references and improve, that would be wonderful! Especially the refs. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tribe of Tiger::I made some edits to the first paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lübeck_law and corrected some catastrophic errors and added references. One question, the Cordes reference didn't go by page numbers but column numbers (2 per page); a German proclivity. I tried replacing "pages" with "columns" but it was not accepted. Can you think of a solution? I could put "(columns)" after the numbers?

Would it be possible to add an image of the manuscript? Its posted on de.wikipedia already, hopefully that would cover the copyright concerns?https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardewikscher_Codex#/media/Datei:Bardewik_Codex_1.jpg :https://www.wikiwand.com/de/Bardewikscher_Codex

Thanks and have a great day! Hroberth Dunbar

@Hroberth Dunbar:, CORDES: the present ref reads as pages 1072-1092. Are you saying that you wish this to read as "columns 1079-1092"? Just wish to confirm...Either way, I can ask experienced editors for advice, as I do not know the answer. User:Ermenrich may be able to help, as they have a Ph.D in medieval German literature. Please confirm, and I will ask on your behalf at various places, until we find an answer.

IMAGE: Any image posted on ANY Wikipedia site, was First uploaded into WP:COMMONS. So, you can use them, no problem! I have added the image. Now, you will see, under the image is a caption. We can change this, to a better description, if desired. After adding the image, I revised the caption from "Bardewik Codex 1" to the longer description found in Commons, "The "Bardewik Codex" of Lübeck Law, written in 1294". As you can see, the longer caption allows us to highlight the relationship between an old (and beautiful) manuscript page, and its relationship to Lubeck Law. Hope this helps.

Thanks so much for contributing your specialized and scholarly knowledge. On WP, I am what is known as a WP:WIKIGNOME. We tend to work in the background, as support personnel, and really enjoy being of assistance! You are doing wonderful work, and I am pleased to assist. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Moving here, per WP:DENY, from User:Joannych

Extended content

Gerald Waldo Luis, and ThatMontrealIP: Preferred to move the conversation here, hope that's okay with you two. Why let J know about our thoughts/feelings, as they seem to have no care for them. Gerald, you were kind and polite and very helpful. I have just read your moving and heartfelt words of personal experience. We are all human beings here, and it is painful to be rebuffed and unjusifiably labeled, even if we are "just" on a website. TMIP's good advice about WP:DENY is absolutely on point. But, I was rather "steamed", esp. as TMIP had done good work, and THEN been accused of harassment! Not only does this type of situation distress people of good heart and motive, it may cause "us" to be less willing to be helpful to others in the future, after having had a bad experience. One thing that I found a bit odd was the complaint about our "nicknames". I had the impression that pseudonyms were very common, online. What was up with that? Well, here we are, three editors who can acknowlege each other in friendship, and common purpose. My best wishes and respect, to both of you. Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 09:49, 19 August 2020 (UTC) Thanks for the kind words and the nice words; I love your idea on moving here too. I don't understand any of Joannych's statements. Other than being insulting, it makes no sense: how are we harassing the user? I tried searching for relevant policies, but it seems like WP:ACCUSE does not refer to this. He also claimed to be writing a letter of complaint to the Found., which makes no sense, but seeing such legal (is it legal? it sound like one) threat, I think we must keep an eye on what he will be doing. His cry-out about pseudonyms really made me confused and laugh. What's the problem with nicknames? Aren't we volunteers and not a representation of Wikipedia? He kept on bringing up the vision and mission of Wikipedia, saying that we don't mirror those, but the problem is, in J's case, we are. Unless he genuinely apologizes and wants to and becomes a good member of the community learning from this experience, I would never be empathetic with J as a person. I do want to bring up possibilities on why he acts the way he acts. He claims himself as an art agent, which may explain his attitudes on "mission and vision." He seemed to take things very crazily and started labeling everyone a bully. I'm no medic, but Sensory processing sensitivity is possibly the thing here. Quoting the article, "[it is a] temperamental or personality trait which is present in some individuals and reflects an increased sensitivity of the central nervous system and a deeper cognitive processing of physical, social and emotional stimuli." I of course present this with humility, but it could be needed to look into psychological or psychosocial things here. Other than that, it's nice to have someone online who recognizes and "sees" you, so thanks. A pandemic has made people crazy, so I don't need any more of his insult. I agree with your request to move here. GeraldWL ✉ 10:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC) Reply forthcoming, have get some sleeeeepppp!Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 10:39, 19 August 2020 (UTC) Haha. I also realized something... why is he flagging SuggestBot????? Haha! GeraldWL ✉ 11:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC) My advice is to ignore the user who claims to be an "art agent". When you see an editor who wants to complain and waste your time, at the same time as they are contributing zero to the encyclopedia, it's time to ignore them and deny them the time-wasting discussion they seek. In fact, the best thing you could do here is delete this thread and don't make any more posts about the user in question. Some people are WP:NOT HERE. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC) ThatMontrealIP, Breaking news: The person retired from Wikipedia. LMFAO. GeraldWL ✉ 18:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Psst

The guy in the lab coat isnt attacking her, he is trying to save her! He is about to sedate the zombie hand for safe removal and further study :) Curdle (talk) 10:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh my...I think you have the answer! Gosh, you made me laugh! Thanks! Zombie Hand Removal Services. Like the guys who remove wild critters from your house.Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 19:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your edits in Chemancheri Kunhiraman Nair. Rahulsomantalk - contribs 22:50, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Rahulsoman, Thank you! I live in the US, and I had never heard of Chemancheri Kunhiraman Nair or Kathakali before I read your article. It is important to document and recognize people of "cultural significance", like Chemancheri Kunhiraman Nair. I have great respect for him. Thank you for writing the article, because it gave me the chance to learn about a beautiful form of art, and an extraordinary man. Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:40, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh its a shocking reality, I thought you are somewhere there in Kerala and well aware about the topic and person. Its good to know. Great keep contributing good works. Rahulsoman^{talk - contribs} 05:49, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Rahulsoman Thank you, I consider that to be a high compliment, that you thought I was from Kerala! No, I am just a very ordinary, older, American person. You had added enough English-language sources, so that I could read about him, and make a few additions. But I have a high regard and respect for other cultures and civilizations! I wish to learn and to support their inclusion, here on English WP. I am very impressed with the number of articles you have contributed to WP, already! I will help you, if I can, on your cultural or biographical articles. My best wishes, to you and your family. Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} Happy to see your attitude, acceptance, respect and hard work towards the fellow beings around the world. Here around me people prefer English WP to read and use, because none of the other language WP is not this much enriched with content. I really wanted to spend time with my chemistry and pharma related the content, but I always get attracted towards other articles. Thanks for editing the article Draft:Atsuhiro_Osuka. Thanks for correcting my languages and template. Regards Rahulsoman^{talk - contribs} 17:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Cedar Point peninsula (thank you)

Thank you for assisting with this draft. The links that you added were very helpful! (I apologize for inserting this message at the TOP of your talk-page; but my browser doesn’t seem to let me do it otherwise. Sorry.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.233.154.132 (talk) 01:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Iván Enrique Rodríguez | Thank you!

Dear Tribe of Tiger I wanted to take a moment to thank you for all your wonderful edits of my article especially because in classical music there has long been a divide between White Cisgender males and everyone else. My intention is to continue to bring articles of incredibly successful composers of color such as Rodriguez but there has been a blatant rejection and racial discrimination against composers and musicians of color negating or diminishing their achievemenst. When it comes to composers and musicians of color, females, non cisgender, and non heteronormative, they are all held to different standards with the intention to maintain a "justifiable" White Frame against any type of change. I plan to add to wikipedia a lot of incredibly successful composers of color that have been neglected by the WP:Composers: standards, as those standards are associated to an industry that will inherently negate and discriminate against anything not male and not white and not heteronormative.

If possible I ask of your help to approve my articles because these composers lives and incredible achievments deserve to be recorded.

Thank you so so so much! MahlerLover (talk) 05:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

MahlerLover, Thanks so much, for your kind words, I do not think that I did very much of anything to deserve them! My perception is that EN-WP is very accepting and welcoming of the sort of people that the outside world labels as "different". As long as an editor can provide proper sources, etc., for a composer/artist, the article subject's skin color, sexual preference, gender, etc. are certainly not an issue! I think this is a strength of WP, we make judgements on the sources only, read the secondary sources, and base our articles upon them. I will try to watch for your contributions, and help, if I can. Thanks so much for your efforts to bring a continuing diversity to the Encyclopedia. Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

A moment of your time?

Hello! I am fairly new to Wikipedia -- I've read a lot of reference on how to make pages, but am now feeling my energy drain with this one. Would you mind taking a look? I would love your advice.

So, this subject has a long list of credits as a producer and is famous in the experimental and commercial animation world. Otherwise, he's published/curated a big animated film collection, and edited a book. I wasn't 100% sure how to format the published section and am wondering if I should continue adding credits. What are your thoughts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ron_Diamond Katherine311MH (talk) 13:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Answering on the draft talkpage...Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Sharing the Happyness

	The Real Explorer Award
	User_talk:Tribe_of_Tiger you deserve best explorer award. You are the person who literally explore the knowledge here in WP and ready to share with the new comers. If it continues, sooner you will be getting listed here Rahul Somantalk - contribs 14:41, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

On behalf of the acceptance of article Atsuhiro_Osuka Rahul Soman^{talk - contribs} 14:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Rahulsoman:! Oh, my dear friend, you are so kind! What a lovely and appropriate award! Thank you, so much! I did feel like an explorer. I must admit that I was worried that you would feel that I, and others, were taking over "your" article. I am so happy that you perceived this as a team effort. I think that the evolution and development of Atsuhiro Osuka represents the best of WP collaboration and teamwork. First, you had an excellent idea for an article topic! I added the Festshrift. We had good advice from User:DGG. Then, when we needed help, User:Richard Nevell answered at the Teahouse, and provided the wonderful table for the publications of Osuka. Although other people "helped" you, this article would not have been possible without you and your original idea. So, we have had a good and rewarding exploration, with both of us learning along the way. My best wishes, as always, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Jatbula Trail

Hi. Thanks for your edit to Jatbula Trail. However, I believe that the way in which Australian Aboriginals use the word 'Country' is special. I found a bit about it at this page: http://www.visitmungo.com.au/aboriginal-country Canberranone (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Canberranone: I have great respect for the manner in which these people relate to their environment. However, saying that they "help to look after country" is grammatically incorrect. So, I changed it to "they help to look after the countryside", which is grammatically correct. Now that you have provided this link, I will try to add to the sentence/statement, to make it clear that their cultural view of "country" has a deeper meaning. Given their cultural views, "country" is an unusual terminology that needs to be defined, as it can be confused with a nation/state, or just a parcel of land. In the context of this article, it refers not only to a physical region, but also to an environment, with cultural and spiritual meanings. Give me a day or two...I believe that this additional meaning is very important to add to the article. Thanks so much for your comment, and this information.

Oh dear, I have just discovered that you wrote most of this article! Nonetheless, I shall add a bit of help, if you don't mind. Thanks for your good work, here! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:27, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Really, I'm very glad of your help! I'm just curious about how to best word this. In Australia, we hear the word Country used quite often like this, when referring to how indigenous people feel about the land, so much, that I admit I hadn't thought about the grammar. Canberranone (talk) 05:10, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@Canberranone: I live in the US, so from my standpoint, I saw a grammar problem. Plus, I did not know about the indigenous viewpoint regarding the word "Country". So very many of us, worldwide, "speak English", but each country has phrases, etc., that are understood in our own country, but do not make sense to others. So, we help each other! This is a wonderful way to promote understanding across the thousands of miles that separate us! I would really like to work on rewording this, as a mark of respect, so the importance is clear to non-Australians. Then you can provide corrections, etc...a collaborative project! Hope this meets with your approval. Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:42, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

New page created for Prof. Draft:Timothy D. Lash

Hope you dint see the page about Draft:Timothy D. Lash. He is a professor from US, so unlike out side professors, there is relaxation in wiki. I hope it will go through. Just tell your valuable opinions and if possible enrich it. Rahul Soman^{talk - contribs} 12:13, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Rahulsoman:, as noted on your talk, I didn't even have a chance to look at your newest article, before it was accepted, and moved to WP Mainspace! Wow, how wonderful! However, I have now gone through the new article and made a few changes, in regards to English, and added wikilinks, etc. Good work, as always! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:50, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Education in Iran - ratio

Hello! I reverted your edit on Education in Iran that changed 1.22:1 to 1:22. The reason is that the female to male ratio as stated in the source is 1.22. This means that for every 1 male student, there are 1.22 female students (on average). This is the highest in the world - females outnumber males. Changing this to 1:22 would mean for every 22 male students, there is 1 female. Females definitely would not outnumber males if it was this. I am happy to discuss further and be corrected over any misunderstanding. 314WPlay (talk) 07:29, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@314WPlay: Oh, my dear friend, thanks so much for this revert! I did indeed, unintentionally, make a terrible mistake. If you look at the edit summary, you will see that my old eyes misread the info: "per source. 1:22, not 1:22.1, which doesn’t make sense.Probably a typographical error". I thought it said 1:22.1, and then I didn't think it through, per the meaning of the text ratio! Thankfully, you caught the mistake. Thanks so much! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Tribe of Tiger: Yes your edit summary did seem odd. This article needs more of a cleanup as in my opinion the style doesn't fit the classic Wikipedia trademark style of article writing. I may work on it. For example, are Press TV (described as regime propaganda by some) and Tehran Times (also linked with the state) reliable sources? The statistic is actually repeated as the ninth bullet point in the "Statistics" section. I don't know if there is a Wikipedia guideline about repeated info but we could probably do without one of them. Thing is, it's a statistic, but it's also about women in Iran - so it could fit either way. 314WPlay (talk) 14:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Tribe of Tiger/sandbox

Hello, Tribe of Tiger. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "sandbox".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Zjholder 19:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Zjholder: Please explain why you wished to delete my standard WP Sandbox. It is not a draft article. I edit in it almost daily, so it certainly has not been six months since I used it. Thank you.Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I left a message on their talk page. They seem to have discovered the CSD functionality in Twinkle and are using it inappropriately. Schazjmd (talk) 20:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: Thank you for contacting me. It sort of freaked me out to think that my personal sandbox would be deleted, heck, I use it all the time! Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:13, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

apostrophes 2

Hi. I added another list of titles w curly apostrophes & quote marks to your sandbox. (I hope you don't mind me editing there!) Last time we did a run, there were 1147 articles, this time there were only 46 new ones (plus one I fixed in the text but failed to move). So that's not too bad. — kwami (talk) 05:44, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: Already on the job! Have moved two of them! I don't mind if you pop a list into my disastrously messy Sandbox....I am glad to help. Yes, if you are down to only 46, that's wonderful. Should have them finished in a day or so. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, there are another 18 I don't know what to do with. Mostly Arabic place names that may have errors, and I can't confirm the Arabic. — kwami (talk) 06:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Cobra award

	A healthy discussion resulted in a WP article Kerala Snakebite Murder Case
	A discussion about indian snake catchers resulted in a WP article Kerala Snakebite Murder Case. Happy to see the result at last they accepted it. Rahul Somantalk - contribs 17:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@Rahulsoman: Thanks! So happy for both of us...More to say, soon...Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} take care Rahul Soman^{Discussions - contribs} 21:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Rahulsoman:Thanks so much, for recognizing my contributions, and for "gifting" me with the Cobra, which I can admire in safety. It is truly a pleasure to work with you. Regards and best wishes, as always! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

radionuclides

Hi TT!

There's a Youtube series "Periodic Table of Videos" that's fun. Not a lot of info on any one element (and not always accurate), but there are 118 videos if you're bored!

I know thorium and uranium occur as ores. I think they're the only ones. (And they're more common than silver or mercury.) Radium I think is only a decay product (mostly?) from uranium. (Actually, almost all helium on Earth is a decay product.) Most other elements up to plutonium are present in trace amounts. It looks like primordial nuclide has a summary. — kwami (talk) 00:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

(ec):@Kwamikagami: Thanks, this is helpful, especially primordial nuclide. It always amazes me that humans dug into the "dirt", found ores (gold, silver, iron, copper, tin, etc.), identified their properties, and learned to process them, in so many ways, over many thousands of years. I shall explore, and try to learn....Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

(I know thorium is because ThO2 is used for crucibles to smelt platinum, so it has to be common enough to be relatively inexpensive. Thorium contamination of low-grade platinum (from the crucible) might be the reason the original cold fusion experiment got the results it did -- the thorium impurity might have seeded a fusion reaction. When the experiment was replicated, they spent extra for chemical-grade platinum, so there was no radioactive impurity, and they couldn't replicate the results and dismissed the original claim as bogus. So the US patent office gives cold fusion as an example of something that can't be patented because it's inherently impossible, like perpetual motion, but the US dept of energy continues to investigate it because further experimentation suggests there is something to it after all (though they're careful not to call it 'cold fusion'). Another cautionary tale, if one is needed, that you should only change one variable at a time in an experiment.)

@Kwamikagami: Per your cautionary tale...Fortunately, I was already familiar with the "one variable at a time" concept, when many years ago, I began to "hand dye" fabric on a semi-pro basis. Customers provided color samples of the commercial garments, for the upcoming season's clothing, and I would have to discover the proper combination of dyes, to closely match the colors, in order to produce silk fabric to make scarves, etc. to coordinate with the season's colors. I kept copious notes, regarding time, tempurature, assistant chemicals, but most importantly, the exact grams of each dye color (synthetic acid dyes), per weight of the fabric. Then, I would tinker with the samples, adjusting each dye color, in a sequential and individual manner, until I acheived the desired result. Eventually, my "eye" learned how to evaluate a specific color, and the experimentation period was much shorter. There were many variables to consider and adjust for, including the "type" of silk fabric. In view of your note above, if I had dyed in an aluminum vessel, versus an inert stainless steel vessel, it would have affected the results. Small potatoes, compared to "real scientists", but the same principles. I do know that people who dye, using "natural dyes" take advantage of the composition of the vessel. Trace amounts of iron, from the vessel can shift colors, etc. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 01:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I find it amazing that the physicists who claimed they replicated the cold fusion experiment weren't that careful, when the stakes were so high (an end to global warming?). The fact that the USDE still hasn't gotten any results more than jusst encouraging suggests that cold fusion, if it exists at all, won't be an easy fix. But claiming conclusive results from sloppy experimentation is a huge problem. — kwami (talk) 01:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami:, I agree with your stmt concerning lack of care. As I stated above, even "very minor people" understand that small variations can affect an experiment, and the outcome. And, per my example (iron vessels, versus..... etc.), this has been recognized by logical minds for many (hundreds) of years. I don't know much about this field, and I dislike considering a conspiracy-type train of thought. But important and powerful people have, I think, a stake in promoting "fossil fuel", vs environmentally clean energy. A bit lost and concerned, but thanks. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think there's any conspiracy here, just sloppy debunking and people annoyed at self-promotion through the media (of the original experiment) rather than going through peer-review. The DOE is looking into it, after all. (I doubt that the fact that you can't patent it is even a conspiracy -- the DOE just uses a different name for it.) — kwami (talk) 01:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Absent here in wiki

I was not present here for few days, gone engaged with one of my research article which face some rejections.

Rahulsoman Thanks for telling me. You have my best wishes for success with your research article . No need to reply. I will always understand if you are away from WP, for a period of time, so do not worry, if you cannot answer right away. I can wait. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Motive and dowry

Section I saw there in Talk:Kerala snakebite murder, but I dont know whether do we need to go that details about a case that is not yet proved by police and still running in court. But as per the news and all its very clear he done murder for the money and gold. There are some questions in mind, as per the custom that follows here, after death of the bride usually people used to return the money and gold back to parents of bride. If there is a kid (Son or daughter) who is taken care by the husband then the parents will not ask the assets back. So its not 100% clear what is his exact motive and all. Rahul Soman^{Discussions - contribs} 22:11, 28 September 2020 (UTC) parents.

I think there is no dowry system in western culture.

Rahulsoman No, we do not have a dowry system in most (all?) modern Western cultures. Thank you for the information regarding Indian customs, which is very helpful to your “Western Culture” wiki friend. Some of the sources in the article state that their child, a 1 year old son, is in the care of Uthra’s parents.

I trust and agree with your judgment, that we should wait to add further details, as the murder case is still in process in the courts. From what you are saying, I think that if a wife dies in childbirth, or through some other natural occurrence, like a normal snakebite, then her assets/dowry, would be retained by the husband, to be used to support the child, send them to school, etc. Or, at least, this is what “should” be done?

I will tell you more about “dowry systems” in Western Culture (England for example) later... No need to reply here, at this time, since you are busy with your research article. Thanks so much for this helpful reply! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:54, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

thanks for Tim Black

Many many thanks for your very good intervention in the Timuel Black entry. This looks much better now. I'd be very glad to mail you a copy of his memoir if you had any interest in having a copy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigetastic (talk • contribs) 02:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Nigetastic You are most welcome, glad to help. As much as I would enjoy and benefit from the memoir, I don’t know of any way to “disguise” my real name and address, in order to receive the book! I am so sorry, my friend, and I do not wish to offend you in any way. You, too, might have your own “real name and address” exposed by mailing items to editors on WP, so please be careful! You are very kind and generous. Perhaps if someone had questions, you could consult the book, and provide the information, page numbers, etc. If you are willing to do that, perhaps you could post a note saying so, on the article’s talk page. Please take care, and thanks for writing this article. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Tribe of TigerQuite alright and no apology necessary. If you later think of some intermediary I could send the book to--a friend, a library, a church, etc.--don't be bashful about asking even if some time has passed. If, for instance, there is a church in your town with a library of books about the Civil Rights movement, you could just give me the name, and I could mail them a copy, which you could then borrow. ... I agree that some anonymity is important. Half-disclosure: I work for the publisher of the book. I got involved in Wikipedia about ten years ago because from time to time I'd see errors about books or authors I worked with on the site. In the fullness of a decade, I got evangelized about Wikipedia for Wikipedia's sake. I haven't gone to the next level of Wikipedianship, but I'm approaching 500 edits and might apply to be able to review the big backlog of new articles. So conversations like this on Talk pages and in the Teahouse help me move along that learning curve. Thanks again.

Nigetastic Well, thanks for reminding me about libraries, even though I can’t visit them right now! I just checked, and my local, well-known University has a copy of the memoir! Once it is safe for me to go out, etc. I could borrow the book. I like your statement “ I got evangelized about Wikipedia for Wikipedia's sake”. In some ways, WP’s five pillars are a type of intellectual “religion”. Glad to have you as an editor! Regards, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Ingrid Bergman

Hi let's talk before war editing,

I just read from you on the talk page: I think it is both useful and important to divide her life and her career. That was I doing. Her getting her US citizenship and her opinion on WW2 has nothing to do with Casablanca, or I don't get it.

I think only her affair with the Italian director and the American politician presenting his apology are the only times where her career is affected by her personal life.

I have seen only one bio (Charlie Chaplin) in the featured article section which mixes personal and Career. I haven't read them all, so I could be wrong, but most of what I have seen don't do that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Media_biographies

Thanks Filmman3000, yes we are having some problems here, and I thank you very much for speaking to me on my talk page. It may be a couple of hours before I can respond to you, as real life interferes with WP editing, as you know. Please, do the kindness of refraining from further edits, and I will do the same, and we can talk as friends who want to do the best for an article. I will ping or notify you soon...there is some history with this article that I need to tell you about, and I type very slowly....Best wishes,Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:28, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Filmman3000Although I perceive you as a decent person, and a good editor, I am very concerned that you have it wrong, and "don't get it", as you said. Yes, perhaps some people may not realize how important Bergman's personal views on Nazis and Weirmar Germany were. Perhaps her views may not have been well-known at the time, but for those of us, who are the children of people who lived through, and fought in that terrible war, Bergman's thoughts (and their perceived recognition through her movies) are very important. This is not a separate thing from her wartime movie (Casablanca). It was an important part of her life, which is absolutely connected to her Hollywood career. Although this film was made much later, you may be familiar with Cabaret (1972 film), a 1972 film. Made @30 years after Casablanca, it was still a moving and timely film. Now, in present time, please go back through a few hundred edits , and you will see that several of us have been carefully and respectfully working our way through editing this article. Making small changes, working in a cooperative way, respecting not only this wonderful actress, but appreciating each other as editors. Bergman's career spanned @47 years, and it seems disjointed to separate her personal life from her life's work. The decades of her acting life and her personal life are all of a piece. Connected. I look forward to working with you.Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:54, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Filmman3000 Thanks for your much, much better section title of "Subsequent films", absolutely more elegant than "Other Hollywood work". Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:32, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the nice reply as well,

While I still disagree with you, rest assured I will not play or tinker with it. I cannot see how it impacts the film. If the overlap of the film and view on WW2 had a personal impact on her it should be in the personal section, if it had an impact on her performance it should remain there.

I do urge you to consult some of the featured biographies, and copy a format. I do think the headings are overdone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Media_biographies

Thanks and best wishes!Filmman3000 (talk) 05:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Filmman3000 Thanks for the link to Featured Articles, I will study (and enjoy). In the meantime, I think it is best if I leave the editing to you and others, until I have educated myself a good bit more. Reading over my comments above, some twenty hours later, I am embarrassed by some of my statements, which may well be too emotional to qualify as NPOV. I am at fault, for editing when I am feeling nostalgic and melancholy, and for making talkpage statements from a standpoint of emotion and remembrance, versus NPOV. So, it is best if I sit on the sidelines, and observe for a time. If I am truly troubled by something, I will bring it up on the article talkpage, in the proper (non-argumentative, non-edit warring) manner, so that other editors can give their opinions. You are a kind and generous person, and I am pleased to meet you! Best wishes to you, also! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:11, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

How nice of you. I feel bad because I value your involvement. In the meantime, I left areas where citations are needed, maybe you can find some. or elaborate on films project that we have no information on. Most notably Arch of Triumph, Giovanna d'Arco al rogo, and La Paura (Fear), who are the most underdeveloped while the two Italian films don't even have a citation to support their release date.Filmman3000 (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Filmman3000 No worries, my dear! I am pleased to find and contribute citations, etc. In addition to sources in the article, Lightcaller contributed a long list of other, accessible works, on the TP. Will follow recent edits, and see what I can find. Will also search for info, per your notes above. It's quite wonderful to see that several people are now involved, and I am very glad that you are one of them. Even if we have a few mistakes and misunderstandings along the way, the article is being improved! Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:48, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

apostrophes 3

Sorry, I thought you'd see the my edit on your watch list. — kwami (talk) 04:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Kwamikagami My old eyes missed it. I need to clean out my watchlist, many things have found their way into the list, while I was doing maintenance work over the years, so that is my mistake, etc. I have been in and out of my Sandbox several times, and didn't notice the addition, so even more embarrassment. Just didn't want you to think I was ignoring you, as I do enjoy the work! After I finish this batch, cleaning my bloated watchlist will be a top priority. My very own WP maintenance project! Hopefully, I won't miss such obvious things in the future. Whiskers drooping...Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:04, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

It would've been polite for me to say something. I was just being lazy! — kwami (talk) 05:11, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

No worries. Frankly, I needed a self-reminder to sort the watchlist problem...Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: All done, except for two that I had to list at Requested Moves, but I haven't had any problems at RM before. In addition to curly apostrophes, I ck dead links & then archive sources on these small articles, plus copyedit. So they should be in good shape overall. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! — kwami (talk) 05:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Cottrill Opera House

Hi. I believe the reason your previous request was removed from WP:RM/TR was because there was a formal move request at the bottom of Talk:Cottrill's_Opera_House in early October, even if no one participated. I would recommend you first ask the closer, Nnadigoodluck, if he would reopen the discussion because you wish to oppose it. If he prefers not to do that, you could open a new request at Talk:Cottrill's Opera House. Normally, move requests opened fewer than 6 months after a previous request are discouraged, but since no one participated in the previous discussion, I would consider this to be an exception to that unwritten rule. Let me know if I can be of any help. Station1 (talk) 05:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Station1: Thanks so much taking the time to write this kind note. I had just discovered the talkpage convo (duhhh) and I was in the process of writing a note there, when you left this msg.! Would you have a look at the comment I wrote there, regarding the lack of sources? Although Nnadigoodluck made the close, the editor who left the "evidence"/lack of evidence, has a red-linked name/talkpage...and only two edits, both to this talkpage. Well, I can follow your good advice and discuss with Nadigoodluck. I was merely helping another editor with correcting a list of curly apostrophes, when I listed this at Requested Moves, as I have done several times before. This situation puzzles me. I don't have any attachment to the name, but it bothers me when things seem illogical. Very nice to meet you, and thanks again for taking the time and trouble to explain. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Your comment at the talk page seems reasonable. The current owners do seem to prefer Cottrill's [1] but that's not necessarily the standard. Other sources use Cottrill, according to a quick Google search. There seems to be a plaque on the building, but it's not quite big enough to read, even if I enlarge the photo. I'm not sure of the best answer in this case. Sometimes there's more than one WP:COMMONNAME and it's just a question what most editors think is best. Station1 (talk) 06:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Station1: Well, your reply is entirely reasonable, and it seems that the best course of action is for me to "get off my high horse" and leave well enough alone...although I did supply a better linking source for one ref. If they want an apostrophe s, that's okay, WP isn't going to self destruct over one apostrophe, (nor, I hope, will I) and I am happy that the building has been retained and is in use! Thanks for the source above. #1: I will use it to add to the article, as expiation for my sins, and in honor of your assistance. #2: I will add a "ignore the above" cmt to the article's talkpage. #3: I will try not to be an arse in future. Best wishes to you, and thanks so much for your help...if you ever need a WikiGnome to assist with a repetitive project, let me know, I owe you! Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 07:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your assistance and efforts with the New Albion article. I worked very long on this article to bring it to GA status; nevertheless, I also knew that it required attention to archive digital sources. I did not, however, know how to do that--and now you have. I believe the article is excellent, and others have continued to improve it in small ways since the GA designation. Your contributions were significant. I wonder about seeking assistance through a mentor to move this to FA status as I believe it approaches that level. But that is for the future. I appreciate your kind attention.Hu Nhu (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hu Nhu, Yes, I saw that you had done magnificent work on New Albion, and that your GA reviewer was quite thorough. This process resulted in a very "good article" indeed! We are run by a team of volunteers, but have a look at your GA review, vs the review at San Francisco Bay Area. I think your review was more rigorous, which resulted in a high quality article. I do not have experience with GA and FA, but by comparing the New Albion GA process against the San Francisco Bay Area process, it appears that New Albion has met a high standard. I wish you the best of success, if you try for the FA standard.

WP is a complicated place, but archiving is pretty easy...if one knows how to do it. I will post a short primer on your talk. You will then understand that I do not deserve great praise. Those of us who do minor technical tasks, value the recognition and appreciation from writer/researchers, like you. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 01:50, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

A Happy news to share a news

Hi Coeditor, Happy to inform you that part of my Indian patent work got accepted as journal communication in Organic Letters, a reputed journal published by American chemical society publications. attached the link bellow. So I was just behind these all work so I could not check my talk discussions and all. Thanks for all care. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.orglett.0c03813#.X8osW8MCRsY.twitter

Rahulsoman Thanks for telling me, and providing the link! I am so pleased and impressed with this accomplishment. I realized that you were very busy with your work, so no need to explain. Still, is is very kind of you to to take the time to tell me this good news. I am very happy for you! Best wishes to you and your family, as always! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rahulsoman: I am sorry that I cannot understand the concept or importance of your work. I believe you once mentioned the possible importance of Timothy D. Lash's work, in regards to cancer. After my cancer diagnosis in August 2014, I was fortunate to have a good surgeon and oncologist, plus many others who cared for me. It seems that hundreds, perhaps thousands of worthy scientists contributed to the level of care that saved me. So I have great respect for the scientists, like you, who make discoveries that may benefit our world, in some manner.

If I am feeling sad, I visit your talkpage, and read the many conversations we have had, beginning at the end of August. It always makes me happy. I Alway Know that you may be busy with your family and your work, so if it takes a few months for a reply, I am not concerned. You have important responsibilities and work! Your friend, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:06, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

apology for the delayed reply, Thanks a lot for the good words. Oh you are a Cancer survivor, i was really unaware about it. Hope everything is fine now. Literally health care professionals and scientists does a lot to humankind and novel threats. But I am no where in it till now, trying to reach somewhere. Indian research in medical field and all still not comparable with developed countries. Those initial chat days we were in covid lock down, now its getting slowly normal here. Hope Covid related pandemics are now fine there in your place. Rahul Soman^{Discussions - contribs} 21:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Sad to say that things are getting worse in the US, in regards to COVID-19. Many hospitals are 90% full, and some have to send patients hundreds of miles away, to another hospital. High numbers of people are testing positive, and also dying. Millions of people still do not have jobs and children are not in school. I am so glad things are becoming more normal for you! Still, you must be careful, I think.

I think/hope I am okay with the cancer, it has been approximately six years. My next annual test is in January. It seems that your research and patent are a "discovery", and you have added to knowledge. At some point, you may look back and see that your work in 2020 has contributed to something even more wonderful! Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 08:06, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Another poem

Hi again T. Your poem about editwarring is well done. You might find the almost haiku that I came up with here User talk:Antandrus/observations on Wikipedia behavior#Here is another possible addition. Can it really have been 8 years ago :-) Where does the time go. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 17:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

MarnetteD Where does the time go? This reminds me of hourglasses. I just read today that in order to build an award-winning sandcastle, the best ratio of sand to water is 8:1. Something to do with capillary action. I suppose we can build sandcastles, while socially distancing. A bit of humor in dreadful circumstances.

I am quite honored that you chose to read my user page, and that you liked my poem. It was written in response to the section on my tp entitled "Reverting my edits ". The edit I reverted had no edit summary and removed sourced info from the lead, which was no longer covered in the text body. (It had been added years earlier.) As a new, law-abiding, by-the-book editor I was appalled and intimidated. Rather than engage with such a person, I wrote and saved this "poem". Your wise "haiku" speaks to the same sort of situation. Over time, I may have retained some stars, but chose to skip over them, in favor of my mental and WP health. I don't edit contentious topics, but losing a source/reference is my bete noire. Grrr!

You may have seen Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. In a final, pivotal scene, "Indiana" Jones, Jr. is reaching for the Holy Grail. His father, Jones Sr. is grasping his son's arm, and preventing Indiana from falling to his death. Jones Sr. says "Let it go". Wise words, encompassed by your "haiku". Perhaps, when one star dims, another one brightens. Thanks for sharing, and for being a kind senior editor. My very best wishes to you, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:56, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks to you for sharing all of these thoughts T. I appreciate them immensely. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 03:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Hey there! It's been a good while. Hope all is well. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 22:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

TheLionHasSeen, It is wonderful to hear from you, and it is so very kind of you to contact me! I am still living like a hermit (in the US) as my age, health, etc., place me in a high risk category. But, I have more time for WP editing, so let me know if I can help you. I sincerely hope that you are well and staying safe, and your good editing continues without difficulty. I am truly touched that you chose to say hello. Thanks for your thoughtfulness! You have my best wishes, as always! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Thank you for explaining some of the policies around contentious information in a friendly way. I'm still on a learning journey of what to do but grow confidence and that is down to you and fellow editors around who encouraged me when I was too hesitant to start. Thanks again and have a happy Christmas! 314WPlay (talk) 20:40, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

314WPlay Thanks so much! I was feeling a bit sad, but your kindness has made my day! It is so very kind of you to remember me! I am glad I could help you with some explanations, but oh my, I owe you enormous thanks for reverting my dreadful error on Education in Iran! So, you might be a new editor, but you are an intelligent editor, and we need good people like you! You are a pleasure to know, and I wish you a Happy Christmas and a wonderful New Year! Picture a Tiger with a holly-wreath collar...Blessings, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 09:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Hello Tribe of Tiger, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2021. Happy editing, Mollifiednow (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2020 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Mollifiednow (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Dear Mollifiednow, thanks so much for thinking of me! I had to take a bit of a break for the holidays, but your kindness means so much to me! I have been living like a hermit since COVID, so this gift is deeply appreciated, especially in these troubled times. Bless you! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Be well :) Bless you too! You're the one who helped me through a rough start here. Mollifiednow (talk) 03:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Apologies

I apologise for the edit summary of my undo just now, that was unnecessarily harsh. I'm honestly not sure why I said it and I feel like an arse now. Primefac (talk) 02:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Primefac, you are absolutely and unreservedly forgiven! I must admit I was a bit taken aback, and still am, not so much because of your comment, but because when I look at the "live article," I cannot see a difference between your versions and mine! Please tell me what I am missing versus what you saw and corrected. The article looks the same to me, but I am an older person, working on a (@6 x9) iPad screen. I think you know that I did not intend to break things, and I have a very high opinion of you, because you chose to apologize. If you will provide me with a bit of education, in regards to this situation, then I will be in your debt! Kindest regards, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:45, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Being on an iPad might explain it, but if you look at Special:Diff/1004916949 you'll see that there was a line break between the | and "FBI". Wiki code is (fortunately) smart enough to recognize that all of that text is still inside of one wikilink, but it makes for messy code (and could break depending on how it's edited in the future). Not sure what would cause it, but as long as you're checking your changes and there are no weird spaces, you should be good. Primefac (talk) 13:01, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Primefac, ah ha, the "pipe" was followed by an unnecessary space, and that caused the line break. Our smart wiki code caused the article to look okay, but we were still left with "messy code", which could cause future problems. The only problem with the iPad is that the text is pretty tiny, versus my desk monitor...more difficult to spot a minuscule space! Fairly certain I accidentally added the space but didn't notice. Thanks for explaining. I shall double check in future. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 08:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello again

Hello again Tribe of Tiger. I hope all is well with you. Very clumsy of me to not sign a post and most gracious of you to simply take a look. I've much going on--life happens and right now much of what is happening is good. Chalk paint can work very well to repair furniture, and there are many fine YouTube videos on the matter. I am of course very happy to answer questions and give advice, too. My woodworking projects have been varied-chests, pub table, cutting boards, and a cradle. And among the finishes I've used is chalk paint.Hu Nhu (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		You've been most helpful and supportive--many thanks. Hu Nhu (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Tribe of Tiger. Thank you again for your assistance with chalk paint. I re-submitted the article through the articles for creation and it sailed through--with much credit to you. Have you been able to proceed with your projects? Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Jaguar article

I have just noticed that you replaced the Wikipedia Featured picture in the infobox with a very low quality image on 7 February 2021. Please do not do this again. I have reverted your edit. If you wish to nominate an image to be FP, please go through the prpoer procedure. Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Charlesjsharp, The image in my edit was, in fact, the original image when the article was Featured Article on Sept. 24, 2006 (promoted Sept. 11, 2006) You can confirm by reading the yellow box on the talkpage.

Also, on the TP, you will note (#10) that there was conversation & comparison of several images, and consensus supported the use of the original image. This was, in fact, the "proper procedure" for choosing the image.

A FA is Not Required to be illustrated by a FP. Likewise, a normal article may display a Featured Picture. A FP is a beautiful photograph, and this is true of the image you used when you reverted. However, it may not be the best image to illustrate the subject of an article. This is why several editors agreed with me that the original image showed the actual "Jaguar" to best effect. Hence, your edit has been reverted by another editor.

In future, consider reviewing the TP prior to making changes, and admonishing editors. FA and FP are "different animals"! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:07, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

9/11 related articles

Do you think you can help with improvements to the other flight articles? 11, 175, and 77.80.43.197.240 (talk) 08:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, yes, I was already planning to do so! Had a look at Flight 11 last night, and Flight 77 today. Same problems with paragraphs that have "grown" since the 2008 FA promotions. At first glance, Flight 175 seems okay, but I will check, after finishing #11 and #77. Thanks very much, for noticing my edits and asking for more! Very kind! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Could you place Aysel Sengün’s name in the “hijackers” section on Flight 93, as she is mentioned there before the “flight” section, specifically the paragraph “Jarrah maintained contact with his girlfriend in Germany and with his family in Lebanon in the months preceding the attacks”?80.43.197.240 (talk) 20:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

No. I don't think that's appropriate, as she was not a "hijacker". And no other "non-terrorists" are mentioned in the section. Best to discuss this on the article's talkpage. Happy to help with paragraphs, etc., though! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Circumcision

Well dad wasn't, but as far as I know the doctor(s) didn't ask anyone if they only wanted to remove enough that it can retract, they definitely didn't ask me or I would've said just do that so it's more natural-looking (I was too young to be assertive and ask) But circumcision isn't all bad, as foreskins are a double-edged sword. They couldn't have told me all the big pros and cons however, as I was too young to be told intercourse exists. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Sagittarian Milky Way, thanks for telling me this. So, your procedure was done for aesthetic reasons ("more natural-looking")? I am curious as to why your parents made this decision, your age, and the country, but this may be entirely too personal. I do realize that foreskins have pros and cons. The entire circumcision process makes me cringe. I wonder if there was an evolutionary advantage gained by having a foreskin, or if this one of the oddities of human anatomy. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

It was likely done cause I couldn't get the flacid little boy incarnation even close to retracting fully by hand so they assumed without proof that the future pubescent incarnation of the organ couldn't get erect without pain, but they could've waited to be sure and even if they were right they didn't have to remove the whole damn thing, they could've just removed the minimum percent needed for the glans to fit so it looked more natural but they didn't even ask. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 06:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Sagittarian Milky Way, Okay, I did some research and I think your childhood "condition" was Phimosis. The lede plainly states "99% of cases resolve by age 18". This article also describes a number of less drastic treatment options, both non-surgical and surgical, if age does not resolve the problem. Even the surgical treatments have a range...as you mentioned before, it wasn't necessary "to remove the whole damn thing".

This WP article is of interest. Even if you don't read the whole article, you may be interested in these two references, regarding one man's experiences.

This article/reference has fascinating info regarding the medical uses of harvested foreskin and the lucrative products that it can yield. It says that one foreskin can be lab-grown to the size of a "football field". Naturally, the patient doesn't receive any of the financial largesse.

References

Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Nigel Bonner

Hi, I see you created a draft article on Nigel Bonner a couple of months ago. Is there any particular reason that it has not gone live? I am quite keen to link to it from another article I am working on. If you are busy with other stuff I'd be happy to take it live myself, if that won't get in the way of anything you are doing, waiting for, etc. PatLurcock (talk) 08:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

PatLurcock, it hasn't gone live, because I lost my nerve, fearing NPP or AFC. I've never written an article from scratch, although I have "worked" on many others, through the years. See Gerald Bonner, Nigel's brother, where I learned a great deal, working there. Now that you have contacted me, I am inspired to cleanup and finish! I'm old, slow & working on a tablet, because I can't sit. Of course, I don't own this draft (of course), but pls give me a week or so? There's a very nice admin, Nick Moyes, who has provided encouragement re: the Nigel Bonner article, so now I have two editors who can have a look!

Your Polar Medal list is wonderful! Thanks for providing this extremely valuable article/resource! I am in awe of your table-producing ability. I will be in touch, thanks so much for contacting me. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. I copied the table from another article listing US congressional medals, and someone else stepped in and did the merged first cell thing for the years. I was not aware of NPP and AFC, but have just looked them up. Wikipedia is a nice friendly supportive space for those genuinely trying to contribute, so there is no need to be fearful! Your article looks good from this amateur's point of view so I would encourage you to go ahead and publish. If there are any issues that someone identifies then we can address them and make the article great. Indeed, I have often found that when I go back to tidy up a hurriedly started page, someone else has already improved it. Then I can point a buddy who knew Nigel and lots about him to have a look at it. I'll make any changes that he comes up with.

And full marks for persevering with a tablet! PatLurcock (talk) 09:26, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

PatLurcock, I completed some cleanup and organizing work, and plan to ask Nick Moyes for a final look/advice. So pleased that your buddy who knew Nigel may be able to contribute information and sources. Hurrah! I have further cmts to make, and I will "ping" you to the draft's talkpage. I also have some cmts, and suggestions, per your List, and will ping you to the talkpage.

It's a true pleasure to meet you, and receive your encouragement. I look forward to working together, in some capacity. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 19:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

When too many people work on a text !

Hi Tribe of Tiger,

it is more than three years that we talked here. Maybe you remember me? You and Curtle had re-written and deleted a lot of my original text! I had been criticized for my English (not by you), because I had been so daft to admit it was not my mother tongue!

I was able to accept that, but what I cannot accept now is how other people destroyed and added in really 'awful English' what they thought was missing. I am pretty sure to know who did it, there are certain entries which betray this people. I do not want to argue with them, they probably thought it just "needed them" to finish that page for which I had done so much hard work. Like making sure there was the image of that TV-series and so on...

However, I would appreciate it very much if you or someone else would find the time, to go over that page again! As I was able to read on the History page, I do not seem to be the only person who complained about the 'confusing^' entries. here the link to that wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_(1986_TV_series)

Thanks for considering it. Best to you, Laramie

Laramie1960 sorry to reply so late! I remember you, with pleasure! I will have a look and contact you again...Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 18:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

happy to read and know about Nigel Bonner

Nigel Bonner a person somehow missed here in the wiki, you have done a wonderful job, by this addition.

While going through what links here for Nigel Bonner found he is not added in University College London#Notable alumni its better to add his details there. Also linked to Rothera Research Station#Bonner Lab.Rahul Soman^{Discussions - contribs} 20:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Rahulsoman, oh, thank you so much! I didn't know what links here even existed, or if I did I forgot! You have taught me something very useful. Didn't know about "Notable alumni" either! Thanks for adding his name to University College London, and to Bonner Lab. This is wonderful, and I deeply appreciate your help, Best wishes,Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For Nigel Bonner and Gerald Bonner Rahul SomanDiscussions - contribs 20:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hope you are fine with your health. You recovered from the troubles that you gone through recently, praying for a speedy recovery. Rahul Soman^{Discussions - contribs}

Rahulsoman I am doing remarkably well, and have regained the use of my left arm and hand. My physicians say that I have been very lucky. Thanks for your prayers, and for the Barnstar. Your friendship is a blessing and a gift. Best wishes, dear friend, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Tribe of Tiger, good to read the message, take enough rest and get well soon completely.

Bold text== Help with citation ==

Hello Tribe of Tiger. I hope things are well with you. I've a favor to ask, specifically regarding the magic you work with citations. Might you please look at this: https://web.archive.org/web/20140222133454/http://www.nps.gov/nhl/Fall11Noms/DrakesBayES.pdf. It is a citation used on Manila Galleon and I'd like to use it on New Albion. You much improved the internet citations on the New Albion article--I really do not understand how--and would appreciate it if you could do the same for this one. Perhaps you could place it at the top of the page in my sandbox. Then I could use it in the New Albion article.

And how are your chalk painting adventures progressing?

Kind regards, Hu Nhu (talk) 03:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hu Nhu, no chalk painting in sight. I had foot surgery in May was cleared to walk more on July 13.Then had a stroke July. 14. Left arm/hand is improving, but errors are made as I usually type with my thumbs. Hope my thinking will clarify so I can work on WP. Am both terrified and bored. Puzzling over the citation. Will put note in your sandbox, when I am fresher. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• • • • Inserting note. Above I confused July 13/July 14 with the true dates of SEPTEMBER 13/14 2021. My brain was most definitely not working properly, as of 15 September 2021, one day after the stroke. A very difficult time... This note added 17 March 2022. My mind is functioning better, I think, because I discovered this error.

Oh my goodness. The tone of your message sounds positive, and I dearly hope this is so. I am so utterly sorry to hear of your troubles and pray for your peace and your recovery. Most kind regardsHu Nhu (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

While assisting with the Catherine (1986 TV series), I saw your delved into article creation. So, congratulations on your first article.Hu Nhu (talk) 04:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hu Nhu, thanks so much! I am in awe of your ability-to write articles! . I want to help with your citation, but it may take several days. Will get back to you soon. Thanks,Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Nigel Bonner

On 30 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nigel Bonner, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nigel Bonner, an Antarctic marine mammal specialist and Polar Medal recipient, researched the Antarctic fur seal and published "the first modern scientific study of the species" in 1968? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nigel Bonner. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nigel Bonner), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

In Kerala snakebite murder court sentenced Murder double life imprisonment

Hi Madam, As you were the major contributor of the page, now kerala court sentenced Murder double life imprisonment.Rahulsoman (talk) 08:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Rahulsoman, thanks for telling me about this, and for adding the sources to the article talkpage. I plan to add the information to the article! Thanks for giving me so many good sources to use. This was a strange and horrible murder of an innocent young woman. The Indian judicial system worked well by proving his guilt and giving him a heavy sentence. You started the article and we worked together. We cannot help Ulthra, but I think we have honored and respected her, by creating the article. Best wishes, my friend, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Madam, the Indian judicial system is relatively very slow. Now the case reached in Kollam Sessions Court only. The murderer can proceed the case to Kerala High Court and if needed to the supreme court also. So the result is not final in this case.Rahulsoman (talk) 08:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Tribe of Tiger. I do hope you are continuing to improve. Looking at your contributions, I see you are not so busy during the last half of October. I have continued to offer prayers for your peace during this difficult time.Hu Nhu (talk) 03:21, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

And hello again, Tribe of Tiger. I deeply appreciate your kind assistance with archiving citations. You've been very generous with your assistance. If you are so able to do so, might you look at four un-archived citations I have recently added to New Albion? New information has come out regarding the site, and it is all digital. I fully understand if you are not able to do so, and if that is the case, please let me know. I can always seek other avenues of help. Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hu Nhu Thanks for your kind thoughts! I have tried my usual method of adding archives, but now see that I may need to use my desktop computer for the citations. Give me a week or two, please. The sources look stable, so I don't think the delay will cause adversity! If this doesn't work, I will let you know. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

As usual, Tribe of Tiger, you are very kind and generous. Most kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 02:50, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Tribe of Tiger. Well, I inquired of the Help Desk about archiving. I took a very deep breath and engaged in the process. I had many mistakes, and FINALLY had my first success. My subsequent archive edits worked out with no trouble. So, I will be able to take care of my archiving in the future. I much appreciate all of your kind assistance, and I will continue to occasionally check in to see how you are faring. With great appreciation and most kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 23:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

My dear Hu Nhu, congratulations, I am so very pleased for you. The Help Desk has, I'm certain, provided you with better quality information. I realized a couple of months ago, that I may have had some long-term misunderstandings of the process...despite the fact that my "short cuts" seemed to work. My perception has (always) been that you are a more technically proficient editor than I am. My mind is running more slowly than before, but I will try to look at your archive edits, to see if I can learn and remember. I have been thinking about you recently, because I decided to carve a pumpkin! It's been over two decades since I did this, and it turned out so well! If I can figure out how to upload to Commons, I will show you. Today, I scrambled through my art supplies, and found my Lino cutting tools & have practiced on the back of pumpkin #1. Such fun, and I am imagining a sculptural carved design for pumpkin #2. Thanks for your WP friendship, & for sharing images of your artistic work. You are an excellent writer and researcher, and I am so happy for your archiving success! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Submitted a new article Draft:Theranostics

hi mam, Hope you are doing well and things are okay there. Now, I started working on a new article entitled theranostics and submitted it. Rahulsoman (talk) 16:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Rahulsoman I will make some "English" edits...but I don't have your scientific education, so please change if I make mistakes. The nanotheranostic diagram you contributed is very well executed! Excellent work! I am so happy that you are contributing to WP, with your knowledge. Anyway, I am reading your draft and will help as much as I am able. Thank you for inviting my participation in your high quality articles. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Tribe of Tiger for kind words. It is only a simple concept and maybe the future face of cancer medicine. The nanotheranostic diagram, I just drew in photoshop. Once again thanking you. Rahulsoman (talk) 18:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Hi User:Tribe of Tiger How things are going, hope you are fine and your health is good now. please let me know is there any chance is there to change our user name to a different one. I remember you suggested me change my name to a different one. Thank you mam Rahulsoman (talk) 14:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Rahulsoman Hello, dear friend! I think my physical health is better, (my arm works again) but this event has caused my mental and editing energy to slow down rather drastically. I don't think I will get back to editing WP regularly until after the New Year. Yes, you can change your username and still keep your same "account" so all your articles, contributions, etc will still be "attached" to your new name. Look here WP:RENAME and see if this helps. Here's an easier page WP:CHUS, look here first.

If this page doesn't help, or if you have other questions, ask at WP:Teahouse. If you need more privacy for questions, you could email an administrator, such as DGG, who helped with the Atsuhiro Osuka article. Oh, I hope this will help you! Take care and best wishes! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

thanks a lot for the reply... Rahulsoman (talk) 06:01, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy wiki editing

	King editor
	Happy wiki editing to the tiger. Rahulsoman (talk) 14:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Rahulsoman How lovely, it has cheered me and made me smile! Thank you so much! Sincerely, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

If you're interested...

Hi! Ages ago, you mentioned to me that if I was ever in need of a WikiGnome, to let you know. I came across an article that could use a little help. Principality of Tarragona was created by a fairly new editor earlier this year. They did a great job, and I've since cleaned it up a bit, but one issue remains. As you can see, a lot of the article is sourced to two journal pieces by Lawrence McCrank. However, the reference is duplicated each time a new page number is used rather than being set up as a source with repeated notes for each page #. I'm not very good at handling references, so I'm mentioning it in case you are interested and have any spare time. No obligation, of course, but figured it couldn't hurt to ask. :) —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:09, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Ohh...this *was* truly ages ago! How kind of you to remember me! At first glance, I see the problems and they are fairly tricky/tedious to resolve. Yes, I will set to work, somewhat slowly, but with determination. Thanks very much for asking me to help. Will keep in touch... Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:43, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm glad you'll take it on! In return, I can offer my thanks and a choice barnstar to hang on your talk page. —Ganesha811 (talk) 22:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Ganesha811 Well, this was great fun! Consolidated the refs, with page#s, and some other minor ce. Very nice article. I posted a sincere compliment to the editor, and they just gave me a barn star. If you want to thank me, sent me some more work, if you find it! Best wishes and thanks for remembering me. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:40, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I really appreciate all your help, and thank you very much for your kind words! Martianman64 (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Leopard lead image

Talk:Leopard#Lead image Here posted a new potential lead image for the leopard article. May be you want to participate. Best,--Altaileopard (talk) 13:32, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Altaileopard I shall have a look, thanks for informing me Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:58, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

User page transgression

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Its very funny you did that, because I noticed you linked to articles on your user page, and I was going to ask you about it, but didn't get around to it or begged off. I'm flattered you're interested, so I'm in the process of linking right now, but there's a problem. Is there a way make the link so that the name of the film stays in italics, but the qualifier (19XX film) stays in plain text, like at the top of the page if said article? I can only make the link all italics, and that looks wrong. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 23:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC) @Pete Best Beatles, Well, I was stymied, but determined. I have fixed The Captive City on your user page, see if it makes sense. I think it looks the way you want? I shamelessly copied the "code" from this page The Captive City, which is a disambiguation page, but maybe, maybe, this format will work for your other articles? Don't know. I am working on an iPad, & things get wonky, esp with italic marks. I haven't been able to replicate, but it might be my device problems. Looking at your user page, I don't think I would have noticed, save that you pointed it out. You have a discerning eye! I suspect that it has to do with the way our "software" manages the article titles, vs text on a page, as your user page is similar to the text of an article. It's possible that someone knows how to do this (Teahouse consultants), but consider the purpose of your user page. I wanted to find articles that you have edited, because I am interested in your work and the films. (New to me.) The articles are linked properly, so I'm not bothered by the formatting, because you have provided the information I was seeking. Hope this helps. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 02:24, 7 June 2022 (UTC) PS: I just added another entry, my first major contribution not to a film noir article (not including my draft article). I'm going to add the references tonight, as well as dramatically add to the Reviews section. Also, I intend to rewrite the Plot summary for T-Men soon, 78 word just doesn't cut it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pete Best Beatles (talk • contribs) 00:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC) @Pete Best Beatles Here is a good source for T-Men. [2] Be sure to look at History, Details, etc, in addition to the Synopsis. Hope this is possibly helpful. Will check your other entries tomorrow, or later, much later, tonight. Regards, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 02:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC) Sorry to make you go to all that trouble regarding the formatting on my user page, I just wanted to be correct, especially when I'm basically bragging about my proficiency. If it does that to everybody and everybody knows about it, then it's no big deal. I just left a message about Private Hell 36 on that article's talk page, but it redlined when I tried to ping and "re" you, so I don't know what's going on. Again, I'm flattered; if you're new to this type of movie, might I suggest the Wikipedia artice Film noir? It'll give you some background (although I don't think it addresses the mystique of the films). -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 03:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC) @Pete Best Beatles Hey, no problem, I do like trying to figure things out. Now, it's not considered bragging, to speak on your user page, many of us want to learn about each other, as editors and human beings. So, actually, it's a kind and polite way to signal your area of interest. Reading user pages is pretty marvelous, to me! Anyway, your ping problem:{{ping|Tribe of Tiger}} You used a colon : instead of a | which is called a "pipe". It's a pain to remember such things, and then we are puzzled and confused! Oh, boy, have I been There! Film noir is a @generation before me, but (because of you) I watched a T-Men clip on YouTube. This brought back childhood memories. Ye olde days of black and white, well remembered. Some of those B&W "horror films" stayed with me, well into adulthood. Will read Film Noir, thanks! Cmts on PH 36, as well. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC) It just hit me, the problem with italics in the links we're talking about is analogous to the fact you can't italicize in edit summaries, or at least similar in some way. Now enough editing today (I'll credit the fact I couldn't discern the difference between a pipe and a colon on the screen to blurry eyes). -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 04:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

== 3 thank you's ==

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I was flattered by your three recent thank you's; do those manifest themselves somewhere else, or are those small notices all there is? They don't really explain what you're thinking, or put them in context. @Pete Best Beatles:. Thank you. Yes, the thanks is "all there is", so to speak. It's a quick way to give appreciation, approbation, agreement, etc. If first editor (ToT, that's me) makes an edit and the next editor (PBB, that's you) changes it and the first editor (ToT) says "thanks", it means...Yes, my fellow editor, I agree with your changes. Or...I made an error/poor choice/mistake, thanks for correcting. Or... I'm not certain, but I bow to your judgment. So "Thanks" while not specific, is a positive affirmation! Now, I am no longer physically able to type on my desktop computer, and work by tippy-typing on a tablet, which is very slow. So, the thanks button is a simple way to say "Yes!" But, many editors are very busy, and WP:THANKYOU is a marvelous way to appreciate our fellow editors and their contributions. Please, please read WP:THANKYOU, which gives a better explanation than my poor attempt! Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 20:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC) As for adding the page breaks, that's great. I worried over that when I was writing the plot summaries. I had seen other people use them, but I couldn't decide where to put them, it seemed so arbitrary since the summaries seem to flow from start to finish, without any lulls or acceleration. Since lots of plot summaries are one giant block of text, I just forgot about it. As for your editing in the Born to Kill artice, I didn't mind in principle, but I felt bad that my prose would be so pedestrian. I don't think I could improve my writing without some formal help -- if I could have done better I would have. I just read the two versions, and I guess mine wasn't that bad - I know Wikipedia is supposed to be collaborative, it was just a little bit startling because nothing that extensive had happened before. I notice you only did page breaks on the others... Pete Best Beatles Born to Kill article. I neglected to check the past history back far enough before I went bashing and thrashing through your newly added text. Because I am editing on an iPad, I saw you had added a preposition and tweaked prose, but didn't scroll further down. I am so very sorry! If you wish, I will self-revert my edits there. My personal (possibly archaic) opinions regarding text are not worth it, if it discourages you. It doesn't mean you are a poor writer, by any means! I am certainly far from perfect. Your ability to recount and organize a plot is excellent. I, too, have had my text rewritten by others, many times over the years. If you disagree with someone's changes, take it to the Talk Page of the article, and discuss. (Not a problem between the two of us, of course.) Don't engage in an edit war WP:EW, by any means. See WP:BRD for helpful information. (Apologies for informing you, if you are already aware.)Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 20:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC) And now for something completely different: did you see the disclaimer at the top of my User page? I had to put that there because they were trying to take my user name away! (That's one of the chastisements I mentioned.) Pete Best Beatles Now, your username. This is a rule WP has, for very good reasons. You stated a disclaimer, so all is well. No further need for concern, on your part, and nothing personal meant, in way of chastisement...this situation happens on a regular basis. (Levity alert) I am a dead ringer for Liv Ullman, or possibly Liv Tyler and sing like Robert Plant or Robert Cray, but if I used those names in my username, questions would be asked, and clarifications necessary. My true name (Jeoffry) dates to @1763, so I am sliding under the radar, by using a referential pseudonym. (End Levity alert)Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 20:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC) During the last couple of days I worked extensively on the article for Pistol, a six-part miniseries, and basically the first time I've worked on something other than a film noir! Since you don't mind looking over my back (;)), can I run some questions by you? I added to the Production section (the dic paragraphs/sentences starting with "The concert footage") and the six reviews, all under the first review, mentioning Rotton Tomatoes. As for the production section, I was mulling over the rule of thumb that in an article, you list someone's full name at the first mention, then their last names after that. All the last names in paragraph five of that section stuck out to me. I was thinking readers might not remember names after slogging through all that stuff above - the episode break-downs really extend the article. Then I remembered that I think you're allowed to fudge a little on that point for the sake of clarity. Confusing the matter is the fact that the Episode summaries use only first names. @Pete Best Beatles: Concerning the names: This article has an added (but natural) complexity, b/c we have character names and actor names. I firmly believe that we should be writing "in service to the reader", and as you note, "readers might not remember names after slogging through all that stuff above", so please "fudge for the sake of clarity". See WP:IAR & associated essays. IAR is not an invitation to mayhem, but a recognition that guidelines may need to be superseded, in service of delivering information to readers.Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 20:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC) I'm worried about the reviews, too. Six more (making seven total) seems like a lot, but I'm not objective enough to see any that should be cut - I like them, that's why I put them there. I'm like a good parent: I love all my reviews, and I love them all equally. Well, not exactly. The fourth review has a lot of ellipses and bracketed words. I had to do that to wrest what I wanted out the source material, but it looks cluttered and I might be accused of altering the narrative to fit my own ends. Regarding the Episode summaries, I just had the most distressing thing happen only moments ago. I wrote the summary for Episode 3 yesterday, and did Episodes 4 and 5 tonight. I know they're short, but I put some work into them to make them tight and concise. I watch each 45 minute episode, taking notes, and I watched them a second time to clarify some minor points (the streaming service Hulu or my TV wouldn't let me use the playback feature). The I condensed my notes, and double-checked the linking situation on lots of words, and on a couple of disambiguation situations. When I submitted the second one, I got an edit conflict warning. Apparently, someone was writing synopsis of episode 6 while I was too, and they posted it before me. To make matters worse, it looks like they erased my episode 5 summary totally, and I don't know if it got saved or not. I was rather fond of them...I left a message on the editor's talk page asking if we could merge the different versions (something the edit warning mentions), but I'm sad. Thanks for your consideration. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 09:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC) @Pete Best Beatles Edit conflicts cause terror in my heart, b/c I don't really understand how it works. Yes, I should learn. My solution has been to work in my Sandbox, and then copy over. Even if I don't save in Sandbox, if the window is open/available, I can recopy. But I save if I am in doubt. If you pressed "Publish" your work will be saved in History, even if someone overwrites it, moments later. (I think) However, Sandbox is always a safe option, hope this helps. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 06:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC) PS: About the reviews, i wondered if there's a better way to order them. I've really got no problem with the order, but I didn't put any thougt into it, it's just based on the chronological way I accessed the source material and took my notes. It could be reorganized around the reviews concousions: there two positive, two negative, and two mixed. I guess it could somehow be ordered thematically, creating some sort of discourse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pete Best Beatles (talk • contribs) 09:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC) My impression is that favorable reviews come first, followed by the somewhat negative rebuttal reviews. (For more current films/series.) But when working on your film noir articles, you might order reviews chronologically. Sometimes, an "older" film is poorly reviewed, at release, (list those first, following chronology) but gains respect over the years, and receives more favorable retrospective reviews. (Place in a Retrospective review section). PPS: I looked at the article this morning; I don't know if it was before or after I left a message on their talk page, but the editor did use some of my language (more for one episode than another), so all is well and I'm satisfied. I made a few changes, and briefly mentioned them on the article's talk page, and elaborated on the editor's talk page. The editor left my summary of Episode #6 intact, although by design or by fault I'm not sure. (I didn't bring it up.) Pistol....(have to save now, before I lose what I have tippy-typed above), but I will read, have a look, etc., and post on the Talk Page. I am honored to be asked for assistance, and will do my best. Regards, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 04:03, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Your removal of reliably sourced material saying they "fail in every way"

here. Please see Wikipedia:New page patrol source guide#Nigeria, they are considered reliable. In any case, are you saying that didn't happen? Doug Weller talk 12:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller, please note that my complete edit summary reads "remove unsupported statements, sources fail in every way".

I did not rmv because I thought the sources were unreliable, I rmved because they don't support the text! I suppose I should have said "remove unsupported statements", sources fail in every way to support the text." This longer edit summary seems a bit redundant, but I am absolutely willing to be extremely specific, in future, if you so advise.

The question, "In any case, are you saying that didn't happen?", seems unfairly accusatory. I have not denied making the edit, and certainly have not said "it didn't happen"! I stand my my good faith edit.

Now that you have reverted my edit, I ask you to please read the two sources. I made the edit after reading the sources and have reviewed them again today, both original and archives. I am still unable to find support for the statements. Perhaps you are seeing something I missed?

On a more friendly note, I first saw your name, (in an article editorial sense), years ago at Bhimbetka rock shelters, where you were holding the line. Strange edits occurred, and I was relieved to see you pop in with corrections. Respectfully, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Tomorrow, I meant did you mean that what was described in the trxt didn’t happen. I can’t sleep, chemo plus heat, but am going to try again soon but wanted to at least make a short response. Doug Weller talk 22:09, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller, my apologies, I obviously have not understood your question. Perhaps I should say that what was described in the text, was not mentioned in the sources? As a both reader/editor, I am unable to confirm that the events happened, as the sources speak of other matters, but not these particular events. So, I am confounded, by the article text.

My own experience with chemo & radiation occurred in NC, (fall through spring), mild weather, but not very cold. I know that being both hot & nauseous is absolutely miserable. A suggestion...if you have access to "cold packs" (the soft, squishy ones, preferably) that are stored in the freezer, and used to place on sore knees, etc. wrap them in a linen tea towel (to protect your skin from damage) & place on your chest, below the clavicle area. May also be helpful at the back of your neck. Years later, I still use cold packs to help cool down & often sleep with them. (My personal thermostat has been wonky, since cancer.)

Oh my friend, I wish you the very best of a good night's sleep, and a full recovery. We can discuss the Olumba Olumba edit problems, when your energy allows. It is so very kind of you to respond to me, esp given your difficult circumstances. Sincere best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:23, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your good wishes and comments about the rock shelters. I think what's happened on the Olumba page is that a citation, currently 15, got moved away from the text, this happens all to often. But anyway I've added a lot more to the talk page. NC? Doug Weller talk 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller I will check the talkpage, & continue there. NC is North Carolina, I live just north of Durham, NC. Sorry for the delayed response, we had a ferocious storm, power out for 24 hrs. Absolutely disorganized my usual RL schedule, and has delayed my WP editing. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 19:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I’ve family in that area although all from Florida originally. , several went to Duke including my brother. I went to Yale. Related somehow to Governor Jonathan Worth. My brother Worth lives in Yancey County up a mountain in a mainly Florida community. Doug Weller talk 20:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Given that your brother attended Duke, it's possible that my 67 yr old husband (and I) have some Six degrees of separation connections to you. He has worked at Duke OESO (Occupational and Environmental Safety Office) since the early 1990s, and met many "Duke" people, (some a decade or so older). So we may be within six degrees of each other.

I've not visited Yancey County, but have been up/down/over the TN/NC border, and up into the VA/TN area, over the decades. North of Yancey County is Watauga County. Fond memories of hiking on Grandfather Mountain, visiting Moses H. Cone Park...and riding the train at Tweetsie Railroad, as a child. I've traveled the Blue Ridge Parkway from mid-south NC up through Virginia, where it joins Skyline Drive and debouches at Front Royal, VA.

Perhaps you've had the chance to visit this lovely area? Hope you are feeling better. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes I have. When my parents moved from Miami to Arlington because my father was working for the government, we did Skyline Drive and the Blueridge Parkway - in fact I've travelled all of it more than once. Grandfather Mountain, sigh. The worst thing that ever happened to my father was the loss of his older brother there. See Worth Hamilton Weller. It still upsets me. I've been there, crossed the swinging bridge despite my acrophobia.

I'm half way through chemo but feeling pretty good. Walking a mile a day - 4 days ago I struggled for 2.2 mph, the last two days at 2.7 and today at 2.8. But I think my drug levels will go up from 80% next time, so.... Doug Weller talk 07:25, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller I am so sorry about WHW's death. A terrible and tragic personal loss for your father & family, and a loss to the future scientific community. At a very young age, he had already discovered two new salamanders! A highly intelligent, promising and intrepid young man. (Reading his article & connected ones, thanks.) I've hiked a few "trails of death", one misstep & you're down a cliff. Your uncle was, no doubt, chasing little creatures, to record them for posterity. A worthy goal. I regret his death.

On my honeymoon, the swinging bridge revealed to me that my husband had acrophobia, poor guy. We met another couple, while crossing. The "other husband" & I were gaily walking, but my husband & the other man's wife were exchanging words of commiseration, hanging onto the rails for dear life! By the time we made our return trip to the "safe" area, the winds were so powerful that we (two young, strong people) could barely walk upright. Had the winds been that strong, earlier, even my daredevil young female self would avoided the bridge!

So pleased with your progress, it's very impressive to walk a mile, at any speed, while undergoing chemo, (esp with lack of sleep and the heat). Doing so requires determination, dedication and will to survive. That's not easy. Drug level increase...I sincerely hope that this won't be too much more difficult for you. Kindest regards from a friend, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the kind words but especially for the edits to my uncle's article (which I probably shouldn't have created, but when I found that the French wiki had one I felt I had to). 2.9 mph today. Seeing the consultant this afternoon. Funny about the swinging bridge! Doug Weller talk 08:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

T-Men redux

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With the addition of a new plot summary, T-Men is just about in the can, but I'd like your opinion on one small matter. Whoever wrote "Although the film was a success it led to a breach between Small and Eagle Lion, as Small was unhappy with the way his contribution to the film was minimized in its advertising" placed it in the Critical response section, but it obviously has nothing to do with criticism, whether from consumers, reviewers, or academicians. The only other places it could go would be in the lead or in the Production section. I thought about creating a new section for it, tentatively entitled "Ramifications", but the I realized one-sentence sections probably aren't considered kosher. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC) @Tribe of Tiger: What's up? I haven't heard from you after I posted the above on the 19th. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 03:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC) @Pete Best Beatles Oh no, I thought I had made a comment on the article talkpage, concerning this issue, but I didn't reply at all! So very sorry! What I intended to say, had I remembered to do so... I believe that this sentence belongs in the Production section, and as the third sentence, by my preference. Eagle Lion and Edward Small are mentioned in first two sentences, so that makes sense, to me. I didn't intend to ignore you, I disappeared down an Olumba Olumba rabbit hole. Sources didn't support, others were dreadful and/or not WP:RSP. A bit of a mess, so I was distracted. Again, my apologies! Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 07:24, 28 June 2022 (UTC) [[ping|Tribe of Tiger}}I put any article I've edited on my watch list, and since I've edited your talk page I saw some of that Olumba Olumba embrolio (hey. the spell-checker doesn't know that word). I even edited that page myself - I corrected a grammatical error or two. I took your advice about that sentence in T-Men and moved it just a minute ago. I just reread my new plot summary, and its pretty good if I say so myself. My first draft was about double the size. It's painful to edit something like that down - you hate to lose all the cool little details, and one is afraid that by eliminating so much the language might become stilted or compromised, things might not slow so well. I'm pretty much over that article, but I actually have one more question about one more sentence, but I don't want to bug you if you're busy. I had been laboring in b-movie obscurity, but I think all those views of the Pistol article went to my head and turned me into a click-bait whore! I'm been trying to shoehorn something about noir into the article about The Batman movie (unsuccessfully, I might add): right at 5 million views in the last 90 days! -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 09:37, 28 June 2022 (UTC) Okay, going first to last. It's not necessary to ping on someone's talkpage, (we usually receive a notification that someone has posted on our personal talkpage) saves you some time! But your ping wouldn't have worked because you used [[ at the beginning, versus {{. There's a new feature. When you open the edit panel on talk pages, there's a little "person" icon with a plus sign. Click there and names are supplied, if the editor has already commented there. Click on desired name and all the brackets, etc are filled in, automatically, and a Ping is generated. This is helpful when you are conversing on an article talkpage, esp with multiple conversants! (You still have to sign your name) In addition, you could copy my ping {{ping|Tribe of Tiger}}, and save it in your Sandbox, for ease of copying for future use, if required. Saving a Ping will not alert people to your Sandbox, etc. The ping only works if you sign with the four ~~~~. When you mentioned "embrolio" I understood your meaning, but was puzzled by the spellcheck error. See [Embroglio] an alternate spelling for [Imbroglio]. Spellcheck couldn't parse the missing "G". I checked my 3.93 lb, 1991 era print dictionary, & then researched on WP, which connected me to Wiktionary...I do this fairly often, some good exercise, lifting the massive tome. I am heavy reliant on Predictive Text/Spell Check, because I edit on a tablet. If sitting at a desk computer (which I am no longer able to do) my ten fingers remember how to spell. But tippy-typing with one/two fingers is more difficult, as I've lost that subconscious spelling. Not sure if that makes sense. Thus the "tome" lifting. I am happy to assist with further questions. The preferred course of action is to ping me to the article's talkpage, so that other editors can read the conversation and understand the questions and resolution, versus traveling to my backwater TP...possibly a year or more in the future. If you have a question, please ask me on the article talkpage, as an aid to fellow editors. Please note that I'm not chastising, just informing. There have been past occasions when I moved a conversation from my personal talkpage to the article, to aid our new editors, who are very valuable, IMO. (How will they know if we don't tell them?) As for T-Men..here before you began and now. You have expanded the article in both the plot and the lede. Both of which were lacking, IMO. So, very well done! The plot makes a great deal more sense and is infinitely more interesting to me, as a reader. The term "click-bait whore" made me laugh, thanks! Kindest regards, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 21:36, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Arbitrary break, for ease of editing

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I'll have you know I contributed a lot more than just to the lead and Plot in the T-Men article! ((Insert winking emoji or typographic wink.)) I understand the need for transparency and community involvement, but I also understand my arguments are subjective and petulant. Maybe I could vent here, and then we can figure out what the best approach might be: I don't like the sentence "The film was identified as a b-movie in the 1992 documentary Visions of Light: The Art of Cinematography". Who cares? (If you go back to a previous version of the article, you'll see I trimmed it down from something incomprehensible). Films noir are often not identified as b-movies even when they are such. The only reason I see it might help the article is because I mention that it's a b-movie down below. Their use sounds disparaging to me, for some reason. I know we're not supposed to avoid a point of view, but I don't see any reason we can't respect our topics, either. To me the only way the addition of this information improves the article is if you somehow show that this fine movie is hitting above its weight class. B-movie adds nothing without context. And I'd like to see the actual reference and how it's phrased. B-movies have a storied reputation in film noir tradition, the movies are often better because of that characteristic, and there are in-between movies that were designed to be either a feature or a (literal) b-movie. Is a book about cinematography the best source for describing that aspect of a movie? The way it's phrased here makes the use of it sound significant and positive. (I think my sentence about it being a b-movie is sub-consciously or surreptitiously celebratory: the little film that could.) And why is the reference made explicit in the article like that; the details should be down below. I want to make an observation that doesn't really impact my arguments, but it might explain some of my problems with this sentence: it seems to me that the person who created the stub just grabbed the most convenient bits of information they could find and just "threw them against the wall" to get something in the article. The comments had no context then, and with all my additions they are now out of context. I scoured the sources to get the best information, and what they put in wasn't it (I'm also referring to the other sentence we worked on, which was woefully out of context and/or out of place, if you'll remember). I just don't like it, but the rule "don't delete well-sourced material" is prohibiting me from acting drastically (I guess I address well-sourced above). So there's my rant! -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 05:43, 30 June 2022 (UTC) PS: Forgot to mention some solutions other than utter antihalation: Shortening the sentence to something like "T-Men has been described as b-movie" right where it is, or shortening it like that and moving it into the short summary, or very close to it. Note: I was recently spanked for trying to shoehorn a word into a short description of an article without it being supported in the body of the article, and I was slapped around for the same thing in another article but for two different reasons by two different editors: "not the primary genre" and "made the short summary too cluttered". (A colon within a colon probably not kosher, but so be it.) Reply I hope you feel better for having vented! Please consider that as an encyclopedia, we collect and summarize all sorts of information. But the observation that "[someone] just grabbed the most convenient bits of information they could find and just "threw them against the wall" to get something in the article." may well be true. Opposing, well-sourced information is also welcomed. According to our B movie article, "In its post-Golden Age usage, there is ambiguity on both sides of the definition: on the one hand, the primary interest of many inexpensive exploitation films is prurient; on the other, many B movies display a high degree of craft and aesthetic ingenuity." It seems you consider the term to be pejorative. Others may feel differently. Two sides of a coin? You say: "And I'd like to see the actual reference and how it's phrased." I assume you mean the T-Men article's phrase: "The film was identified as a B movie...." Next you state: "Is a book about cinematography the best source for describing that aspect of a movie?". I'm lost as to which book you are referencing? The 1992 documentary Visions of Light: The Art of Cinematography is a film. I want to help, but I am so, so lost. Perhaps my willingness to listen is of some benefit to you? I'm not spanking or slapping! Instead, I offer a very gentle and friendly clap/pat on the shoulder. Kindest regards and good wishes, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 02:50, 2 July 2022 (UTC) I got lucid! Regarding "throw it against the wall", ranting helped me come to a better conclusion. It seems that someone has gone and created a stub article for every film noir. That perfunctory plot synopsis you saw for T-Men? I now think that's par for the course: something to just get the article started and intended to be fleshed out by someone later (like me). Well, maybe the two comments I was unhappy with are analogous to that - facts chosen randomly just to get the references required for a new article. With that thought, I feel better about deleting sourced material, just as I happily deleted the entire plot summary when I made my own. Regarding B movies, I didn't mean to sound like I considered the term pejorative, I felt that the original editor's phrasing sounded somehow vaguely pejorative. As for my thoughts about the legitimacy of a piece on cinematography characterizing a film as a B movie, you don't characterize a film noir, you define it as such because the criteria is an objective one - with film noir a b-movie is defined by its budget or its placement on the bill, not its aesthetic (although its aesthetic might be influenced by its budget). If you appreciate the B-movieness of a film noir, you don't do so in a Mystery Science 3000 or John Waters way. There were feature films noir and "in-betweens"...being an objective B movie helped films noir: young (talented) directors were assigned to direct B movies, and they often brought their A-game (maybe that's where the phrase came from). And the standard procedure of the day was to bundle pictures, so exhibitors had to take the (literal) B movie if they wanted the feature. Thus there wasn't the same pressure to make a profit from the B movie, thus the studios didn't pay as much attention to them, thus the (creative) directors were able to express themselves more, push boundaries and come up with better and more innovative movies. As for mistaking Visions of Light for a book, I was going to point out that distinction wouldn't change my argument one whit, but it ultimately determined my final decision, in a roundabout way. I happen to have two books about cinematic lighting on my "to be procured and read in the near future" category, so I just subconsciously assumed that was a book. I had decided to reduce the troubling phrase to something like "this film has been characterized as a film noir" without mention of the source and stick it in the fuller paragraph above it. I wasn't totally happy with the decision, but it was a comprise. Right before I made the edit, I thought maybe I should hear the quote itself, so maybe watch the documentary myself. I checked on the reference to get the name right, then something made me investigate it more fully. It turns out that although the editor name-checked the documentary in the article, the reference itself was to the Allmovie review of the film, which doesn't even contain the phrase "B movie". The reference didn't support the information cited. Thus I changed my mind, and deleted the offending phrase entirely. I didn't argue the case on the merits, but decided on a technicality, like a judge ruling a case based on standing or jurisdiction and not the facts, although if I'm ready to make my case if I'm reverted, See, more cogent now. I never asked before, what about you? What is your typical area of editing? Also, what's your favorite and/or most significant contribution? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 10:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC) PS: Regarding film noir, stuff like self-referentiality or homage or pastiche don't come into play until neo-noir, with one exception: there's a move that Robert Mitchum made with Jane Russell late in the original film noir era, entitled His Kind of Woman. The experts say it shares a wink with the audience, bemused by its own use of cliched film noir tropes. (However, I've watched the movie and I don't see what they're on about.) PPS: Well, now I see your favorite articles on your talk page, but do you concentrate on any one area? Do you have an editing approach or philosophy? @Tribe of Tiger:Perhaps your admonition was incorrect - I sent the above reply without a ping, and nothing happened. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC) Reply break #2 @Pete Best Beatles Not sure what admonition was incorrect. (I'm certain I make many mistakes!) Which reply did you send, and "nothing happened"? Anyway, one thing for you to know is that I don't edit every day. If you go to my (or anyones) User or Talk page, and click (over to the left side, on my particular "skin") you can see others recent contributions. For example, I haven't made an edit since July 6th. (Until July 14th). This lets you know that your friend is a bit offline, not ignoring you. I have been worried that you might feel that way, but no help, I had RL issues, no time to edit. Typing is slow for me, I had been reading your interesting text, but composing offline and I started a reply. Offline Reply, Begins...(this took several days to compose.... Much of my editing springs from my love of reading the sources. I tend to read WP a great deal, thus discovering problems. This leads me all over the place, which is rewarding. Many sources are not formatted properly, so I do repairs. WikiGnome work, very satisfying. On short articles, someone may have culled only one or two facts from a source and added to the article. My "discovery" is that by reading the sources, I can often add more information. They walked into a diamond mine, plucked one stone, called it good, and left other stones to be "discovered" by future editors. I call this "mining the source". The articles on my user page are not my "favorites" they represent what I consider to be my best work/contributions, at least since I kept track. I began editing in 2016, but didn't publish my first (and so far only) article until 2021. (I nervously vacillated for months!) I was determined to produce the type of article I love to read...complete with info box, images, good sources, etc. So when Nigel Bonner was moved to Mainspace, it was like Athena springing from the head of Zeus, (ha, ha!), as fully formed as possible! This is how it appeared at the time [[3]], and kind editors made minor additions, later. It was published on 9/9/2021. I was so pleased, and a DYK nomination was in the pipeline. Five days later, on 9/14/2021, in an utterly terrifying & unexpected turn of events, I had a stroke & was in hospital for 4 days. Took a few days to recover my ability to type, longer to return to editing & even now, my brain seems to move more slowly. I regret that I lack the typing energy/ability to converse with you fully, but my suggestion is to recognize that you have an interest in fleshing out some placeholder/stub articles. Mine the sources, if available, add others, if you can find them. Given your admitted knowledge of the genre, who better to expand the articles? Offline Reply Ends.... Today, I read something that may coincide with your interests, regarding a film, Kiss Me Deadly. Long Quote: "The stock-in-trade of noir filmmakers is the unhappy ending, so that much is no surprise. The Motion Picture Production Code dictated that criminals and loose women must always come to a bad end; noir films make a virtue of that by reveling in dirty deeds and celebrating the anti-heroes who struggle to escape fate—if they’re unlikely to succeed, it’s of no consequence." End Quote. (Available on The Criterion Channel) I have a subscription to The Criterion Channel, so I can actually watch this (possibly film noir??) film, in addition to my beloved Ingmar Bergman films...Cries and Whispers, Autumn Sonata, Fanny and Alexander (my favorite) also Scenes from a Marriage, which I first saw, when released, at age 14. Must go to bed...respect and encouragement to you! Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 08:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC) @Pete Best Beatles, as you are an expert in the field, is it true that "The Motion Picture Production Code dictated that criminals and loose women must always come to a bad end..."? I seem to recall that The Code had a great deal of influence over content of films. Not only "sex and violence", but moral tone as well, in the early years. Thoughts? Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 21:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC) I'm glad to hear from you! (Although I hope my neediness didn't cause you any additional stress.) You had admonished me that I didn't need to ping you when I wrote (and my bratty reply was supposed to sound like "apparently I do"). Well, it worked! I'm sorry to hear about your health problem, and it would seem devastating if it impacted your activities on Wikipedia. I hope it's not patronizing to say hopefully you can find a way to enjoy Wikipedia without typing so much, like keeping up with your research and making notes on things to address later? The only activity on your part I could see was the addition of the Signpost to your user page. I wasn't above looking at your contributions to check on your activity (although that seems a little stalky), and I have done that before in a slightly different context, but I forgot how to do it! I think you read the reply I was hoping you'd see: it's above, under "Reply". It starts "I got lucid!" I have to say, your sentence about "mining the source" is tres eloquent. As I remember, we met when you were trying to fix a reference in an article I had worked on. I actually can't remember which movie it was, or I was going to ask you how you stumbled upon that particular reference in that particular movie. Yes, the Production Code had much to say about movies' attitudes towards crime and much else, although it's rules changed over time, both formally and informally. It was a HUGE part of Hollywood and ran from 1934 to 1968. Screenplays had to be approved before movies could be shot, and after shot films had to be approved again. Comments on screenplays could run over 40 pages, dictating miniscule changes to the length of kisses, the number of shots in a shootout, etc., and macro changes in addition to those micro ones. Some say the movies were better for it, though. The pre-code days were a wild west of sex and violence, and adhering to the code meant topics like that had to be dealt with with more suggestion and nuance, elevating to tone of movies. (Regarding the pre-code world, I made an addition about it to the Barbara Stanwyck article [second paragraph, Film career section]. It doesn't look like much now, but at the time I was excited to be able to contribute on that topic.) But the code chafed film noir directors the most because those are the films that were pushing the boundaries concerning violence and sexuality. You could check out the article Motion Picture Production Code. Regarding "expert", I just started this new hobby about a year ago, and just started editing in mid-July. I wasn't even a cinephile when I discovered film noir, although I admit I've gone in whole hog. Any appearance of expertise is due to a skill that has been useful in my past: I talk a good game. Randon thought: maybe some of the negative connotations of the phrase B movie come from a subconscious internalization of some of the misogynistic overtones of the phrase B girl? Mentioning the Criterion Collection reminded me I was going to suggest that if you wanted to check out a film noir, T-Men would be a great choice: you know it's a good one from the article, and you know the fascinating backstory from the article too. Best of all, it's free. About 98% of all films noir are available free on the internet. Of the approximately 375 films noir I've seen since I started my hobby, I've only had to rent 2 or 3, and I was only totally shut out of one. How did cinema scholars do it back in the day? I just came up with a good one: in place of saying "noir" and "noir adjacent" for films noir and near noirs, I could say "canon" and "loose canon"! I want to tell you about my Wikipedia Cootie Adventure, but we should take it to e-mail. Although the tale involves Wikipedia, it's primary aim is not to improve Wikipedia, and I read an essay that said it would therefore be verboten. It explained that some Wiki-humor is allowed, but this would be more personal humor. And the main reason is that it's quite vulgar(!). -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 05:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC) PS: I took the liberty of tightening up some of the prose in that snakebite murder article. @Pete Best Beatles: Thanks for the above! An educational and enjoyable read. The Motion Picture Production Code was especially interesting...I never knew about this! I will make point of watching T-Men at some point, and let you know. So glad you are enjoying your new hobby and editing WP. Thanks for the kind words regarding "mining the sources", I find it very useful and quite enjoyable and I'm sure you will too. A fairly easy way to enhance an existing article. Best wishes to you, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Tribe of Tiger: Regarding the Motion Picture Production Code and T-Men, as head of the Production Code office, Joseph Breen was arguably one of the most powerful men in Hollywood. He determined, if not morality, the depiction of morality in all of Hollywood's movies; that good must triumph over evil in the end and that authority and the police must not be disparaged being two salient rules here. That he went in with a major gangster to form a silent partnership to invest in this movie is mind-blowing to me. I had to hesitate from using the word "ironically" when I wrote about that (describe, don't prescribe). And that gangster, Joe Roselli! It was fun using the term "afficionado" to describe him, but really he was more. As I remember, he married a starlet, and as we know he invested in this movie. A gangster actively involved in film production, it sounds like the movie Get Shorty, or James Ellroy's depiction of the flamboyant LA mobsters Mickey Cohen and Johnny Stompanato. I wish I could have included the facts Roselli went on to be the Chicago Mob's main man in Las Vegas, and that he was the liaison between the CIA and the Mob in the plot to assassinate Fidel Castro (!!!), but I know it wouldn't have been appropriate for the article; that's what links are for, right? Then the double irony hits you: this movie, partially funded by organized crime, was endorsed by the US Government! The backstory to this movie is amazing. (As far as the info about Breen goes, I discovered it in only one place, a recent source. It's a good thing I confirmed that the source was a "reliable" one before I started writing.) -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 20:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

As usual, you are a bit over my head. But, if you have sources for the above, could you add them to existing articles, or start a new one, concerning the Mob, CIA, funded by crime, endorsed by US Government? Using your recent source for Breen? Food for thought. This is how new articles are created. Explicate in your personal Sandbox, or offline, so you have a bit of "somewhat private" control, as you are working. As a WP sleuth, you have the opportunity to create, based on your research. Please consider. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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I left a question at Talk:Bing Crosby you might be able to answer. The section is called "Orthography" (the only section on the page). Thanks for your time.-- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

In future, you can leave a general msg at article talk, but also ping me to the page. Saves a step, and you can still address me, in a personal question, on the talkpage. I have replied there, keeps the info together for History. Hope it helps! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Airlines_Flight_175&type=revision&diff=1117322713&oldid=1116769988

Source for which part? It being the only one of the four planes where the pilots were definitively murdered by the hijackers prior to the crash, or the fact that they were murdered by the hijackers to begin with? Hmm1994 (talk) 08:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hello there! My mother asked me whether Levolet is a trade name of Levofloxacin or not. I'm not well-versed in terms of medicine, so I'm asking you right this minute. I googled "trade names of Levofloxacin", and I opened medinda. com (or org. In a word, I don't remember exactly), so, according to the afore-mentioned site, Levolet is a trade name of Levofloxacin. I don't know whether medinda is a liable source. Could you recommend me a good source which deals with the trade names of Levofloxacin?

P. S. Anyway, could you add this trade name in the article on Levofloxacin? Роман Сергеевич Сидоров (talk) 10:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you, my friend! What a lovely Christmas card! Christmas was spent caring for my 90 yr old mother, while my brother & SIL stayed in a nice local hotel, had a break from their loving, but demanding 24/7 care of Mom. She has dementia, many health problems. I live 250 miles away, no longer drive.

A small tree, festively adorned with lights, was a reminder of past Christmas celebrations, and the joys we shared, when we were all younger and spry! Mom, my husband & I had a wonderful time! As did my dear brother & sweet SIL.

Thank you. I hope you enjoyed your chosen version of the solstice season. Best blessings to you, for remembering me. Wishing you a Happy New Year! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like a difficult but worthwhile Christmas. Have a very happy New Year and I hope to work together again in 2023! —Ganesha811 (talk) 23:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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