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Deletion of non WP:RS Vietnam War articles

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Vietnam War pages deleted due to non-notability or non WP:RS:

Other creations of Vietnamese Government media:

  • [7] Claim that a 19 year old VC planted a bomb that destroyed a US 707 at Honolulu Airport on 25 March 1963

Commentary on Vietnamese media:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massacre of Brzostowica Mała (2nd nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derman tragedy

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Vietnam War socks

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A few of the most-prolific Vietnam War sockers:

Useful templates

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https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py

WP:INFOBOXFLAG

WP:MILMOS#FLAGS

https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/

WP:CITEVAR

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clifford Mayhew Dodkins

[[Interaction Timeline]]

https://sigma.toolforge.org/

copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution

Base photos

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To load: https://www.fold3.com/browse/252/hURf3JqG67LylqUiI7WZwWhVkRMTSqFFu

Click on the crossed wrench and hammer symbol in the top right corner [10], then click on 'download' in the panel that appears when you click the symbol. The entire page download gives you the image with the border, while select a region allows you to crop.

https://cdm16021.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15141coll5/search/searchterm/Vietnam%20Trip%20Briefings%20by%20OCE%20Liaison%20Officer/field/all/mode/exact/conn/and/order/title/page/146

Source assessment table

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Hi, next time give Template:source assess table a try. It's clear, objective and to the point, and avoids the trouble of having to create walls of text in the nomination or throughout the page. It also makes it harder for someone funny to just come in and make a poor but superficially plausible argument without looking the sources. Best regards, don't be discouraged by setbacks, and keep up your good work, Avilich (talk) 03:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Avilich, will use that next time. regards Mztourist (talk) 04:30, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Ban Me Thuot

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The wrong internal link for Quang Duc was added on December 12, 2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Ban_Me_Thuot&diff=815007110&oldid=815006030 .

I'm afraid that if we don't have a correct classification or a correct link after Quang Duc, someone will add a wrong link again soon. It is very easy to add a new wiki link but very difficult to recognize in case it is wrong, 4 years past since the wrong link was there proved that. Leemyongpak (talk) 08:48, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes my mistake, I will keep a watch for it in the future. Mztourist (talk) 04:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ANI 15 November 2021

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dream_Focus&action=history

https://www.afhra.af.mil/Portals/16/documents/Studies/AFD-141118-043.pdf

https://www.congress.gov/109/plaws/publ213/PLAW-109publ213.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALightburst&type=revision&diff=1055384977&oldid=1055384668 Koch Marshall Trio & Guy King​

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Information icon Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Lightburst (talk) 18:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Result was Declined. Mztourist (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Akane Yamaguchi

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Hello. Help improve the article to quality B. Thanks you. Youngzx (talk) 06:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No Mztourist (talk) 06:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let's make amends

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Hello. I am here to apologise for my on-wiki behaviour on your past ANI post in regard to Jamesallain85 (courtesy ping). While I still do not necessarily "side with you" per se (notwithstanding WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND) , I should have been more calm in my approach. I would also like to apologise for my proposed Arbitration case against you (insofar the fact that it is not posted), and thank you for respecting me when I asked you to stop a discussion thread so as to prevent it from going exceedingly off-topic. Sorry, NotReallySoroka (talk) (formerly DePlume) 06:16, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for your apology. Mztourist (talk) 11:54, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb is not relible

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In your discussion on the sources on Roy Rob McGregor you list IMBd as reliable. IMBd is considered for Wikipedia purposes to not be reliable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, will change it. Mztourist (talk) 13:40, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Davoren AfD

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I see the ARS has arrived at this AfD. I didn't follow any of the drama board stuff closely, but weren't some of them banned from participating in AfD stuff? Intothatdarkness 14:40, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Intothat Andrew was indeffed, LB was given a 6 month ban, but the rest are able to canvass freely as usual. Mztourist (talk) 04:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Jamesallain85 (talk) 19:49, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The Kelley reference used on several Vietnam related articles which I have edited uses a page numbering system where there are several sections in the book and each section starts numbering pages with page one. The citation style I used started with the section number and then the page number. Example: 2—103 means section 2, page 103. It is possible to have the same page number in several sections so that is the reason I chose that system that you have changed. So you know what I have done and why. Cuprum17 (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I have used Kelley as a reference on over 200 pages and constantly have Users change e.g. "page=5-107" to "pages=5-107" assuming that the reference is to multiple pages. Following a discussion at ANI where I have been criticized for the reference format I just went and changed it to "page=107". If I changed any of your pages I apologize. regards Mztourist (talk) 15:52, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know why you would have been criticized for for stating the obvious. Some editors on here are just a little to picky for my taste. The Kelley reference is laid out the way it is laid out and is very usable that way. To cite it any other way is misleading a person that is checking a citation in my opinion. Keep up the good work on all things relating to the Vietnam War. Cuprum17 (talk) 18:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Check out the method I used in the article Coast Guard Squadron One to call out the correct page reference. This would work on all articles where Kelley is cited. You wouldn't have to worry about which dash or hyphen was used. I personally think that {{hyphen}} looks ignorant. Cuprum17 (talk) 18:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The challenge with the dash is it does look like a page range, especially if you're unfamiliar with the layout of the Kelley book (and I would strongly suspect most people are not familiar with it). I"d suggest using S or sec. to denote the fact that you're referencing a specific section and then add page numbers. Turabin recommends something similar to this for series publications, and it does eliminate the need to use hyphens or whatever. Using the example, it would read S2, 103. Intothatdarkness 18:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

29 January 1968

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You can check the book History of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Joint Chiefs of Staff and The War in Vietnam 1960–1968, part 3[11]. In p.145, it says: "The Administration promptly accepted General Westmoreland’s recommendations, with the stipulation that bombing in North Vietnam would be restricted to the region south of Vinh. President Thieu also gave his concurrence. On 26 January, the Joint Chiefs of Staff notified CINCPAC and CINCSAC of these exceptions to the 36-hour truce, which would begin at 1800H on 29 January in II, III, and IV Corps. The ceasefire began on schedule, but was short-lived. Soon after midnight on the 29th, enemy forces in southern I Corps and parts of II Corps, evidently acting prematurely due to a mix-up in orders, attacked key towns and installations. This action resolved the allies’ questions about the timing of the general offensive. At 10.00 hours on the 30th, Saigon time, President Thieu formally cancelled the truce throughout South Vietnam, and both the US and ARVN commands placed all their forces on full alert. The alert came too late, however, to recall thousands of South Vietnamese soldiers who had gone on leave for the holiday. Outside of I Corps, where the absentee rate was around 20 percent, most ARVN units were at about half strength when the truce was cancelled. Allied forces thus were partially off balance when the Communists began their nationwide attacks in the early hours of 31 January."Lienanhhippo (talk) 09:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

USS Wiltsie

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Please revert the undiscussed gender changes to this ship article and any others you may have done. You're a very experienced and respected editor so I'm surprised you did this Lyndaship (talk) 13:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:Lyndaship I have explained my reasoning already on HMAS Hobart, so you shouldn't be surprised at all. Mztourist (talk) 13:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Francis G. Brink

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On 4 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Francis G. Brink, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Brigadier General Francis G. Brink, the first commander of Military Assistance Advisory Group Indochina, was found dead at the Pentagon with three bullet wounds in the chest? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Francis G. Brink. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Francis G. Brink), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hook update
Your hook reached 23,537 views (1,961.46 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of March 2022 – nice work!

Bruxton (talk) 16:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Shufly

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I have had that article partially written in my sandbox for years. Thank you for getting after it and writing the page. I will work to help improve it in the near future. Cheers.Looper5920 (talk) 13:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looper5920 thanks, I had put all the information about Shufly into the various squadron pages a while ago and so just consolidated those to make the Shufly page. Meanwhile I found a bunch of Shufly photos on Commons and consolidated those. regards Mztourist (talk) 02:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Arbcom mention

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fyi, I mentioned you in the evidence section of the pending Conduct in deletion-related editing Arbcom case, in the context of an ANI closure summary that I cited, i.e. There is consensus that the mergers and/or redirects by Mztourist at issue here, which concern articles about people after whom ships were named, were appropriate. You were also mentioned on the Talk page of the case [12] by another editor. Beccaynr (talk) 02:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion going on in some talk page

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Hey, there's an ongoing discussion going on at U.S. war crime talk page and you seem to be educated about this. I'm wondering what your thoughts are about this. Thanks! XXzoonamiXX (talk) 20:11, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Mz" digraph

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Dear Mztourist, does the "Mz" prefix in your username indicate Mexico? Buckshot06 (talk) 05:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't. The user works in Washington.--ConfusedAndAfraid (talk) 13:15, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Flat Top

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You made huge edits to Operation Flat Top, removing all of the background that justified the extraordinary and unique ship conversion project in the first place. I have restored the content you deleted. Your edit summary supplied a link to "my discussion" that does not exist. Please use the article's Talk page to describe your concerns that justify removing all of the background information. This will allow multiple WP editors to discuss such a large edit that I believe negatively impacts the notability of the ship conversion project. Regards, — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 22:59, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

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Thank you very much for cleaning up the article Royce Williams and putting it in military order. That is exactly what I was hoping someone would do, since I am not that familiar with military biography style myself. MelanieN (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MelanieN you're welcome. It will be interesting to see how the MoH campaign plays out. regards Mztourist (talk) 03:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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The Special Barnstar
I just saw the news coverage of the four recent recipients of the Medal of Honor, so naturally I checked to see if they were properly reflected on Wikipedia. I saw that you had already updated List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Vietnam War to include them. Not only that, you'd started an article on one of them and contributed a lot to the other three articles. Thank you! Schazjmd (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Schazjmd thank you for the barnstar which is much appreciated. I read about Dennis Fujii a few years ago and so as soon as his MoH was announced was keen to create a page about him. Mztourist (talk) 03:35, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Carl C. Turner

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Hello! Your submission of Carl C. Turner at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Wasted Time R (talk) 21:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Archie C. Kuntze

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Hello! Your submission of Archie C. Kuntze at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Please advise if your QPQ has been completed, thanks. GregJackP Boomer! 10:30, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Archie C. Kuntze

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On 9 September 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Archie C. Kuntze, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Captain Archie C. Kuntze, known as the "American Mayor of Saigon", was court-martialled for living "openly and notoriously in his official quarters" with his Taiwanese girfriend? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Archie C. Kuntze. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Archie C. Kuntze), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hook update
Your hook reached 8,641 views (720.1 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of September 2022 – nice work!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations from the Military History Project

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 Military history reviewers' award 
On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the The Milhist reviewing award (1 stripe) for participating in 1 review between April and June 2022. Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 07:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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HMS Venerable (R63) & Otherships template

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The purpose of the {{Other ships}} template is to link to "...other ships with the same name" - i.e. to the disambiguation pages - you replaced a link to the disambiguation page with a link to the same ship - i.e. definitely the wrong article for a diambiguation hatnote - although it is arguable whether the hatnote should just cover HMS Venerable as there are separate articles (HNLMS Karel Doorman (R81) and ARA Veinticinco de Mayo (V-2)) for the ship's service under those names. The articles on the Argentine and Netherlands service are linked immediately below in the lede - but if they do need to be hatnoted, they should be done in separate hatnotes (perhaps {{About}} or something similar) rather than saying that HNLMS Karel Doorman (R81) is a different ship, which is what your edit suggests.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:Nigel Ish I don't see the sense in the other ships template which should only lead to a disambiguation page for other HMS Venerables, not other HNLMS Karel Doormans and other ARA Veinticinco de Mayo (which should have their own templates at the top of their respective pages). Nevertheless I have self-reverted Mztourist (talk) 10:15, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MiG29VN

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Hi, there are various IP accounts that make disruptive edits to Vietnam War pages that both you and I have dealt with before. One of the IPs was banned in October for 2 months for disruptive edits on Vietnam war casualties and other pages. The IPs are clearly one user but I suspect they are also the same user behind Cucthanh who was banned last month as a sockpuppet of an old user MiG29VN. Some of the IPs are 103.3.255.99, 2001:EE0:4A63:6670:45A3:8FC4:2F77:BDEF, 113.160.158.12, 2001:EE0:4A61:5D30:9401:AC78:E87F:F468, 117.5.147.200, 27.73.73.44 and 27.3.144.184. They are all fixated on casualties, including Easter Offensive: 1 and 2. Both edit summaries have the same poor grammar. They also make edits regarding the Vietnamese government's official figures: 1, 2, 3 and 4. There are plenty of other similarities. Karsdorp85 (talk) 11:15, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Karsdorp85 thanks for the heads up. Its all incredibly tiresome, but I'm sure that we can take them down. best regards Mztourist (talk) 11:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The amount of different IP ranges is relentless. I also noticed even more IP ranges at Battle of Khe Sanh that could be the same user:118.107.72.17 and 213.45.205.134. This edit also comes across as suspicious. Thanks. Karsdorp85 (talk) 12:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I find it quite interesting that any editing from Vietnamese IPs is treated as suspicious by you, while you are clearly a full time (9-5) US editor, who primarily curates articles on the conflict which your country inflicted on theirs. Do you care to comment on that fact?ConfusedAndAfraid (talk) 14:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
User:ConfusedAndAfraid MiG29VN and those Vietnamese IPs are Vietnamese propaganda trolls. You know nothing about me. All of my additions are based on WP:RS. Why are you even here on WP? You haven't created any pages, you've made minimal contributions other than on Talk pages. If you're WP:NOTHERE then get lost. Mztourist (talk) 14:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I'm glad you brought up the creation of pages. Since you take a strong interest in US history in South East Asia, I wondered if you'd be able to help me document Operation Paper, a CIA operation in Myanmar, which would help to provide some context for the subsequent conflicts in Indochina. It was why I started editing on Wikipedia, because after reading about it, I found that it wasn't on this encyclopaedia. ConfusedAndAfraid (talk) 01:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not my area of interest. Mztourist (talk) 04:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very interesting statement given the amount of hours you have spent writing and changing articles about the USA's role in this region. May I ask for a clear on the record answer as to why you're avoiding this subject?ConfusedAndAfraid (talk) 13:40, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As this is a voluntary project, I can't see where you have any right to ask for a "clear on the record answer" regarding what a user chooses to edit or not edit. If someone says they aren't interested in working on an article or topic, that's all that needs to be said. Intothatdarkness 02:14, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I find it very interesting that another account chose to reply to my request. Can I ask what your specific interest in this subject is? Is this something you'd prefer not to disclose?ConfusedAndAfraid (talk) 12:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ConfusedAndAfraid you are clearly NOTHERE and I'm not interested in your trolling. You are banned from my Talk Page. If you post here again its straight to ANI. 60.35.189.104 (talk) 13:02, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:ConfusedAndAfraid was blocked for disuptive editting on 15 February 2023. Mztourist (talk) 03:45, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, the above exchange was referenced in the initial decline of the user's unblock request. Intothatdarkness 13:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Intothat, yes I wanted to show the diffs and also highlight the earlier outing attempt. Thanks Mztourist (talk) 14:16, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I don't think that individual's coming back in any case (at least under that name). Intothatdarkness 15:27, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

164th Aviation Group

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Hello,

Do you have any evidence the 164th Aviation Group is linked to the current 164th Theater Airfield Operations Group?

According to 1st Aviation Brigade#Formation and Vietnam service it does but no reference is given. According to 164th TAOG History on Army.mil the 164 TAOG links back to the 284th Aviation Company (Air Traffic Control).

Gavbadger (talk) 19:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to this lineage should have followed the unit in Korea and not the 164th TAOG. Granted the info there is somewhat outdated (1996), but it does come after the 1995 date included on the 1st Aviation Brigade page. Intothatdarkness 22:35, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have any lineage information on the unit. Will let you know if I find something. regards Mztourist (talk) 13:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and pulled the information from the article. It can always be re-added if other sources are located. Intothatdarkness 13:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a bit of checking, and can't find any clear lineage link between the 164th AG and the 164th TAOG. I suspect wires got crossed because they share the same numeric designation. Intothatdarkness 13:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Intothatdarkness for looking. I've created the 164th Aviation Group. Gavbadger (talk) 18:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're both quite welcome. I might do some tidying at some point on the 1st Aviation Brigade as well...mainly with the cavalry squadrons. 1-9, for example, didn't come under brigade control as far as I can recall until the 1st Cav withdrew. Intothatdarkness 21:45, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations from the Military History Project

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Spartan 3000

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Hi, I enjoyed your contribution on 2nd Marine Division (South Korea). I'm South Korean. I really thank you. I think that military is your area of expertise.

Can I ask you a favor of you? I am under dispute about removal of Spartan 3000 on the List of military special forces units (Refer to [page page])

ROKMC Quick Maneuver Force (Spartan 3000) is a just Rapid Deployment Force, definitely not the Special Force Unit and currently, Spartan 3000 is discarded nickname. So I want to remove this unit on the list.

But only one user don't want to remove. His references are Western sources. But this user's Western sources have translation errors or jounalistic exaggerations and Western report mistook ROK Marine Corps Quick Maneuver Force for ROK Army 13th Special Mission Brigade

In the near future, I'll open a case on the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. If you have a spare time, Please participate in discussion.

If you have any questions about South Korean military including 2nd Marine Brigade, Capital Mechanized Infantry Division, 9th Infantry Division (Republic of Korea) and South Korean forces in the Vietnam War. Please feel free to contact me. I have many references and I can help you.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

For your information

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Flaws of 4 western sources
Firstly, South Korean sources about 'Spartan 3000' are published on 20 March 2016,
(1) Telegraph source (2016-03-21) - Telegraph source have a follow sentence - "according to the Seoul-based news agency Yonhap
(2) The Diplomat source (2016-03-24) - "The Diplomat source have a follow sentence - "a South Korean military official revealed to Yonhap News last Sunday."
But Below is the original Korean prose from article of Yonhap News Agency (연합뉴스) published on 20 March 2016.
"군 관계자는 "지난 1일 경북 포항 해병대 1사단 예하에 3천명 규모의 연대급 신속기동부대가 창설됐다"고 20일 밝혔다.
이 부대의 별칭은 고대 그리스의 최정예 전사였던 스파르타인들을 연상시키는 '스파르탄 3000'으로 지어졌다.
(Translation of gist: ROKMC had formation of the Quick Maneuver Force - Regiment Size, Subordinate unit of ROKMC 1st Division on 1 March 2016, the unit dubbed 'Spartan 3000')
Original sources from South Korean Yonhap News (연합뉴스) didn't have any terms - "Special Force Unit (특수부대)", "Special Operations (특수작전)",
But Telegraph and Diplomat source created terms "Special Force Unit (특수부대)" and Special Operations (특수작전)" in the article. They made a translation errors or intentional journalistic exaggeration.


(3) New York Times (2017-09-12) - NY Times source have a follow sentence - "the South Korean defense minister, Song Young-moo, told lawmakers in Seoul that a special forces brigade defense officials described as a“decapitation unit" would be established by the end of the year."
(If this article is really about "Spartan 3000", How can ROKMC establish the unit (brigade-level) with by the end of 2017?, "Spartan 3000" was already fully formed in March 2016 (regiment-level) and actually South Korean Defense Minister Song Young-moo told creation of Decapitation Unit (참수부대) on 4 September 2017 and 13th Special Mission Brigade / Decapitation Unit (참수부대) was really formed in December 2017
Most importantly, NY Times source absolutely didn't have any terms "Spartan 3000" or ROK Marine Corps.
Therefore, NY Times source was definitely not about the "Spartan 3000", actually NY Times source cited this Korean language source (4 September 2017).
송영무 "北지도부 참수작전 수행부대 12월1일 창설"
(Translations: Song Young-moo (송영무) said that Decapitation Unit for North Korean Heads will be formed on 1 December 2017)
In conclusion: NY Times source was about the ROK Army 13th Special Mission Brigade / Decapitation Unit established by the end of the 2017.


(4) Nzherald (2017-09-13) - Nzherald source have a follow sentence - "according to UK newspaper the Telegraph" and "New York Times Korea correspondent Choe Sang-Hun reported" (NY Times source's reporter was also Choe Sang-Hun)"
This source is full of howlers. Reporter mistook the "Spartan 3000" (cited Telegraph source) for ROK Army 13th Special Mission Brigade / Kim Jong Un Decapitation Unit (cited NY Times source) then reporter blended the "Spartan 3000" and 3th Special Mission Brigade / Decapitation Unit (참수부대) together in the article.
  • Excerpt
Spartan 3000: South Korea's elite decapitation unit
New York Times Korea correspondent Choe Sang-Hun reported Seoul is using the unit to send a menacing message to Pyongyang.
He wrote it was rare for a government to announce a strategy to assassinate a head of state, but Seoul wants "to keep the North :on edge and nervous about the consequences of further developing its nuclear arsenal".
The unit is due to be fully established by the end of the year,
(If this article is really about "Spartan 30000", How can ROKMC fully establish unit by the end of 2017?, "Spartan 3000" was already fully formed in March 2016 (regiment-level) and actually South Korean Defense Minister Song Young-moo told creation of Decapitation Unit (참수부대) on 4 September 2017 and 13th Special Mission Brigade / Decapitation Unit (참수부대) was really formed in December 2017
according to the South Korean defence minister Song Young-moo said the unit could conduct cross-border raids, while re-tooled helicopters and aircraft could also enter North Korean territory at night.
(cited Korean source (4 September 2017): Song Young-moo (송영무) stated that Decapitation Unit will be formed on 1 December 2017)

Footwiks (talk) 07:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Footwiks stop writing here, I'm getting tired of all the notifications I'm receiving. If this interests me I will look into it. Mztourist (talk) 07:41, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Former Soviet military air bases in Tajikistan

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Hello, Mztourist,

It would help if when you make mistakes like creating this page, instead of a page in Category space, you would tag it for speedy deletion, CSD G7. It wouldn't cause other editors to waste their time figuring out what to do with the page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant to come back to it yesterday and tag it but got distracted. Mztourist (talk) 02:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I would like to to comment on a subject that you're interested.

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Hi, I know that you have some interests regarding the U.S. war crimes bombing and I would like you to comment on this matter. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_war_crimes#Bombings XXzoonamiXX (talk) 20:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

War crimes article discussion/revert

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Hi again, so far, we already have two recent users trying to disrupt the United States war crimes article by adding events that were clearly not illegal at the time, then engage in WP:EW when I revert them. Of those, one of them is Freoh, who adds back much of Volume2KWestOG's content on the basis that "independent" sources said so without regards to their legality/illegality under international law. Then when I revert his edit and told him to discuss in a talk page, he retaliated by adding in an article's header that says "This article is missing information about air bombings of civilian populations. Please expand the article to include this information. Further details may exist on the talk page" without actually discussing the issue on the talk page. Hope you can be active in the article more, because there's a lot of other stuff that I have to deal with and I can't deal with more than once. Thank you. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recidivist socker User:Orchomen, July 2023

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If you were editing in good faith you'd be reverting my short desc edits as well as removing the single source tags. You're not though, which tells us everything you need to know about the level of good faith you're displaying claiming to be improving wikipedia by removing the single source tag from articles that solely rely on one source.. It's very entertaining. 37.245.41.140 (talk) 07:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Orchomen/37.245.41.140 you have created over 80 socks, so you don't get to lecture me about OWN, NOTHERE or good faith. Go find something useful to do with your life. Mztourist (talk) 07:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a lecture - it's a statement of fact. MI'm being constructive. You are not. You need to find something better to do with your life than removing maintenance tags you know to be correct to spite a sockpuppet! 37.245.41.140 (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Orchomen you destroyed your good faith and any rights here on WP back in 2016. The fact that you have come back to troll over 80 times now speaks to a certain psychosis. Mztourist (talk) 07:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm endlessly entertained by your inability to actually respond to the matter in hand. Industrial strength deflection. 37.245.41.140 (talk) 07:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm bored by your trolling and the fact that you obviously have nothing better to do with your life in the UAE. Mztourist (talk) 07:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"nothing better to do with your life" is the favourite refrain of editors like you who know they're in the wrong. 37.245.41.140 (talk) 07:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As I said you clearly have a certain psychosis. Why do you keep coming back to WP when you have been banned indefinitely for your behaviour? Don't you see the hypocrisy of calling out Users for not following the rules of WP, when you have broken so many rules yourself since 2016? Mztourist (talk) 07:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
again with the avoidance! Being a hypocrite doesn't mean you're not right!
BTW, You can add WP:NPA to your reading list, it's pretty distasteful to accuse others of mental health issues. You probably should also read up on what psychosis actually is. 37.245.41.140 (talk) 07:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You clearly are psychotic to create 80 different socks since 2016. Mztourist (talk) 07:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again, please go and educate yourself about different mental health issues before throwing these terms around. We're not in a school playground. 37.245.41.140 (talk) 07:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noone asked you to come to my Talk page. Stalking me is just a continuation of your psychosis and consistent with your past behaviour. As you well know, a User's talk page is their own playground. If you're so bothered by being called psychotic then take me to ANI, but of course you won't. Mztourist (talk) 08:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No one asked you to come to my Talk page and yet you did!
It is your own playground, but mixing metaphors like that doesn't mean you get a pass on WP:NPA as well you know. 37.245.41.140 (talk) 08:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was simply warning other Users that you are a sockpuppet and, as I have said repeatedly, as a sock you have no rights on WP. Mztourist (talk) 08:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just to say, be careful. You can't say things like this here. But I've blocked the IP address for 6 months anyway. Deb (talk) 08:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deb thank you for blocking the IP. What do you mean by "You can't say things like this here"? Mztourist (talk) 08:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I mean you can't call people psychotic, unless you have hard evidence. You could get blocked yourself for that. Just give them enough rope and let them hang themselves. Deb (talk) 08:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Creating over 80 socks since 2016 is hard evidence of recidivism, which is a form of psychosis, so I think that's proven. Its frustrating that we have trolls like this wasting our valuable time all because of a system that allows unregistered Users to edit while the process to identify and expel them is slow and burdensome on those of us who are trying to create something useful here. Mztourist (talk) 08:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deb predictably Orchomen has immediately returned with a new IP 2.48.73.173 making the same edits: [13], [14], [15]. Can you please block that IP address also. Mztourist (talk) 08:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Luckily, someone else did that while I was out. I wonder if it would be more useful to protect the pages that are most at risk from this person. If you want to give me a list, send it by e-mail rather than listing them here. Deb (talk) 12:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deb User:Orchomen is back with a new sock, the imaginatively named User:Baseros, appreciate it if you could block and I will email you that list but is it going to be very long. Mztourist (talk) 06:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
User:Baseros/User:Orchomen you were banned in 2016. Every time you edit pages using new account or IP socks you will be found and banned again. Its too late for you to contribute anything to WP so stop trying. Mztourist (talk) 06:10, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, that ban discussion, that was hilarious. I don't think I've ever been unable to edit WP for more than a minute. I've certainly created more properly sourced articles than you have since then! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.58.129.244 (talk) 07:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Name one properly sourced article that you ever created. Mztourist (talk) 07:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Lol no. I take the Fifth! 2.48.53.188 (talk) 08:04, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

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I'm working my way through these articles. However, some of them do need better sourcing. Maybe you could work on that a bit? I wouldn't know where to start. Deb (talk) 08:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but I'm on vacation soon so it will have to wait until after that. Mztourist (talk) 09:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, so never then. 5.38.23.235 (talk) 06:11, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deb/Sro23 another day another new IP sock 5.38.23.235 for Orchomen, appreciate it if you could block and protect the attacked pages. regards Mztourist (talk) 06:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also please block User:Mztourism. Mztourist (talk) 06:34, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Sro23, very tiresome. Mztourist (talk) 06:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your view would be appreciated here

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Iranian_military_aviation#Title_of_the_article Dreddmoto (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Former Soviet military air bases in Tajikistan

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A tag has been placed on Category:Former Soviet military air bases in Tajikistan indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:07, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Contentious topic notification

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Information icon You have recently made edits related to articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles. This is a standard message to inform you that articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles is a designated contentious topic. This message does not imply that there are any issues with your editing. For more information about the contentious topics system, please see Wikipedia:Contentious topics. FDW777 (talk) 14:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:FDW777 I am an experienced User, why are you sending me formulaic notifications? Mztourist (talk) 16:23, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would you prefer I simply file an enforcement request over your restoration of content accusing a living person of murder when they've never been arrested for the offence, never mind charged or convicted? FDW777 (talk) 10:36, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Go for it. Mztourist (talk) 10:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation

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Hello Mztourist, we need experienced volunteers.
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Want something important to tell you

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Hey remember me? I've been working on this a while back and now I want to email you because my work is too long for me to post here. Do you mind if I email you? Hope you respond to my replies. Thanks. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 08:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

XXzoonamiXX just tell me here. Mztourist (talk) 10:00, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

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Precious
Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Larson Article

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Hello! I am new to the platform and was wondering if the Matt Larson article that was deleted had any redeemable traits? I am quite interested in military articles, and Matt Larson's impact on the army is quite large. I am wondering if his impact should not just be viewed from the context of martial artists but also from the context of his impact on the US Army. Would a revised article with a substantial reduction in self-serving/glorifying references be possible in your mind? Water1968 (talk)

I have no idea who Matt Larson was/is nor the history of his page. Mztourist (talk) 02:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 2024

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Stop icon with clock
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring, as you did at Battle of Chosin Reservoir. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.
During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Bbb23 (talk) 12:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bbb23 please explain why you have decided to "both sides" this and block me. I followed WP:BRD, I raised this on the Talk Page, the other User insisted on pushing their viewpoint and so I eventually took it to the edit warring noticeboard. Treating me the same as an SPA pushing their viewpoint is grossly unfair and also its not gonna acheive anything, they will insist on their position and I will insist that the result is See Aftermath as set out in the policy. Mztourist (talk) 12:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will insist that the result is See Aftermath as set out in the policy. I'm not sure what "policy" you're referring to, but your statement only confirms the legitimacy of my blocking you. Every time the other user reverted, you reverted. The fact that you're an experienced user and they are a SPA makes it worse; you should know better. And it's even more disappointing that you don't understand why you were blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bbb23 The "policy" which I set out on the Talk page which you apparently didn't read. Saying I "should know better" is extremely irritating to hear, almost as irritating as the fact that an SPA comes and vandalises a page, ignores all rules and my attempt to explain the policy and warn them and then I find myself given the same block. Experienced users should be treated better than SPA vandals, but apparently not. Mztourist (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop it. Now you're attacking the other user; there's no vandalism here. And I see no policy you cited in the discussion. Nothing you did exempts you from the policy of edit-warring. I hope you learn something from this, but based on your comments, it seems unlikely.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even bother reading the Infobox policy??? How about you learn something and consider whether its reasonable that an SPA can impose their opinion on a page and get away with it? Mztourist (talk) 09:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Former Soviet military air bases in Uzbekistan

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A tag has been placed on Category:Former Soviet military air bases in Uzbekistan indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 16:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hugh Spencer Daniel

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I object to your removal of the Hugh Spencer Daniel wiki page. You merged it into the USS Daniel page and deleted all the detail. That sucks. His history is important. Please restore the page.

Tim Daniel 207.194.98.156 (talk) 04:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations from the Military History Project

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 Military history reviewers' award 
On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the The Milhist reviewing award (1 stripe) for participating in 1 review between July and September 2024. Hawkeye7 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep track of upcoming reviews. Just copy and paste {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} to your user space

Invitation to participate in a research

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Hello,

The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a survey of Wikipedians to better understand what draws administrators to contribute to Wikipedia, and what affects administrator retention. We will use this research to improve experiences for Wikipedians, and address common problems and needs. We have identified you as a good candidate for this research, and would greatly appreciate your participation in this anonymous survey.

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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 19:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Please

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... when informing a user that you requested arbitration, could you sign? ... perhaps also not use an abbreviation (RFA) that is better known for something else? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done thanks, I thought the template was enough. Mztourist (talk) 07:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understand. What I don't understand is expecting anything good coming from arbcom ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe not, we'll see. Mztourist (talk) 08:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My experience is from the receiving end as you may know ;) - I found it kafkaesque and kept singing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to have a word on Tony's talk page, but I think this has blown out of proportion.

Obviously, administrators are not perfect and sometimes the behaviour is egregiously bad or out of touch enough to warrant a desysop. I set up the "Conflict interest of management" Arbcom case a few months back, and while it wasn't my explicit intention, it did result in advanced permissions being removed.

However, I don't think this is one of those situations, and this isn't worth worrying about. The community doesn't appear to have a consensus on what to do with user pages that aren't directly to do with improving Wikipedia - for example, consider Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ritchie333/Userbox Trump which, even though consensus at the MfD seemed to be trending to "keep", I decided to delete per IAR for a quiet life.

The problem I think you're having is you come across as being abrasive when disagreement breaks out, and that escalates things. This is what I meant when I mentioned the recent 3RR block - you attacked Bbb23 in retaliation, while they were trying to tell you to simply not behave in a way that got you blocked. Sometimes, the best cause of action is to say nothing at all. In the case of Battle of Chosin Reservoir I would have said "what a stupid thing to argue about" and walked away, finding another article to edit.

Anyway, now the case is at Arbcom, we'll see what happens next. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Former Soviet military air bases in Kazakhstan

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A tag has been placed on Category:Former Soviet military air bases in Kazakhstan indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗plicit 14:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration case request closed

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Hi Mztourist. In the request for arbitration that you filed, the Arbitration Committee has enacted a motion in lieu of a full case:

Marine 69-71 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)'s administrative privileges are revoked. He may apply to have them reinstated at any time via a new request for adminship.

As such, the case request is now removed. For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust (talk) 18:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Arbitration motion regarding Marine 69-71

Sadly competency was also a question, given the number of issues that have been found in many of the articles he's created or edited. And any attempt to correct those problems (including copyvio, misuse of sources, and so on) is always met with walls of text from him proclaiming his contributions to the project while not addressing any of the issues raised. At least he does tend to back off if pushed hard enough, but it's always more of a struggle than it should be.Intothatdarkness 16:37, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True. I don't think he was helped by some pretty bizarre advice throughout the case, either. SerialNumber54129 18:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I completely agree. Mztourist (talk) 04:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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