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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that death squad commander Otto Ohlendorf (pictured) claimed that the extermination of 90,000 Jewish men, women, and children was a justified act of self-defense? "Another outrageous Ohlendorf argument was that killings by the Einsatzgruppen were in self-defense. According to Hitler’s reasoning, with which Ohlendoirf agreed, Germany was threatened by Communism. Jews were known to be bearers of Bolshevism, and Gypsies could not be trusted. Both groups posed a potential threat to the security of the German State. It followed, logically, that all such opponents had to be destroyed." Mass Murderers Seek to Justify Genocide
Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 08:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC).
Hi Buidhe. As the doi you have quoted doesn't mean a lot to me, I have assumed that the hook is based on James' comments in Jones; yes? If so, I don't see that he supports the text in the article. He is, so far as I can see, arguing that the massacre 'was only a tragedy for its perpetrators because it degraded and brutalised them', and not because of "the brutal practices of slaveholding".
Thanks for the review. I was citing Girard because he states: "He [Dessalines] exulted after the white population was exterminated: 'We answered these cannibals’ war with war, crime with crime, outrage with outrage.’ To him, after the horrors of slavery and war, genocide merely amounted to vengeance, even justice.... The genocide was also a response to a specific list of crimes committed by the French in Haiti, both during the days of slavery and during the 1802/3 war." (t · c) buidhe 18:11, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
OK, apologies. It may be that I am continuing to be slow, but I don't see any justification in there; Girard states that Dessalines stated that it was a response, but I don't see the justification bit in what you have just quoted.
And which of the five rationales given in the article is supposed to equate to "as revenge for slavery"?
Re ALT1 (which I am not that keen on), again Reisman seems to me to be explaining or describing. It seems a stretch to say that he is claiming that this "cultural universe" is a consequence of justifying genocide. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I've added an ALT2 which may be better. (t · c) buidhe 08:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
That seems well supported. Approved. I have tweaked the image caption slightly, but revert if you don't like the changes. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
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ALT2: ... that death squad commander Otto Ohlendorf (pictured) claimed that the extermination of 90,000 Jewish men, women, and children was a justified act of self-defense? "Another outrageous Ohlendorf argument was that killings by the Einsatzgruppen were in self-defense. According to Hitler’s reasoning, with which Ohlendoirf agreed, Germany was threatened by Communism. Jews were known to be bearers of Bolshevism, and Gypsies could not be trusted. Both groups posed a potential threat to the security of the German State. It followed, logically, that all such opponents had to be destroyed." Mass Murderers Seek to Justify Genocide
Gog the Mild (talk) 13:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)