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Hello, I am adding here results table because someone destroyed it in the article. I need to look on the results regularly and I am vomitting when I look on that destroyed one in there. Thank you

#	Year	Hosts		Winners	Score and Venue	Runners-up		Third place	Score and Venue	Fourth place		Number of Teams
1	1930 Details	Uruguay		Uruguay	4–2 Estadio Centenario, Montevideo	Argentina		United States		Yugoslavia		13
2	1934 Details	Italy		Italy	2–1 (a.e.t.) Stadio Nazionale PNF, Rome	Czechoslovakia		Germany	3–2 Stadio Giorgio Ascarelli, Naples	Austria		16
3	1938 Details	France		Italy	4–2 Stade de Colombes, Paris	Hungary		Brazil	4–2 Parc Lescure, Bordeaux	Sweden		16/15
4	1950 Details	Brazil		Uruguay	2–1 Maracanã, Rio de Janeiro	Brazil		Sweden		Spain		16/13
5	1954 Details	Switzerland		West Germany	3–2 Wankdorfstadion, Bern	Hungary		Austria	3–1 Hardturm, Zürich	Uruguay		16
6	1958 Details	Sweden		Brazil	5–2 Råsundastadion, Solna	Sweden		France	6–3 Ullevi, Gothenburg	West Germany		16
7	1962 Details	Chile		Brazil	3–1 Estadio Nacional, Santiago	Czechoslovakia		Chile	1–0 Estadio Nacional, Santiago	Yugoslavia		16
8	1966 Details	England		England	4–2 (a.e.t.) Wembley Stadium, London	West Germany		Portugal	2–1 Wembley Stadium, London	Soviet Union		16
9	1970 Details	Mexico		Brazil	4–1 Estadio Azteca, Mexico City	Italy		West Germany	1–0 Estadio Azteca, Mexico City	Uruguay		16
10	1974 Details	West Germany		West Germany	2–1 Olympiastadion, Munich	Netherlands		Poland	1–0 Olympiastadion, Munich	Brazil		16
11	1978 Details	Argentina		Argentina	3–1 (a.e.t.) Monumental de Nuñez, Buenos Aires	Netherlands		Brazil	2–1 Monumental de Nuñez, Buenos Aires	Italy		16
12	1982 Details	Spain		Italy	3–1 Santiago Bernabéu, Madrid	West Germany		Poland	3–2 Estadio José Rico Pérez, Alicante	France		24
13	1986 Details	Mexico		Argentina	3–2 Estadio Azteca, Mexico City	West Germany		France	4–2 (a.e.t.) Estadio Cuauhtémoc, Puebla	Belgium		24
14	1990 Details	Italy		West Germany	1–0 Stadio Olimpico, Rome	Argentina		Italy	2–1 Stadio San Nicola, Bari	England		24
15	1994 Details	United States		Brazil	0–0 (a.e.t.) (3–2 PSO) Rose Bowl, Pasadena	Italy		Sweden	4–0 Rose Bowl, Pasadena	Bulgaria		24
16	1998 Details	France		France	3–0 Stade de France, Saint-Denis	Brazil		Croatia	2–1 Parc des Princes, Paris	Netherlands		32
17	2002 Details	South Korea Japan		Brazil	2–0 International Stadium, Yokohama	Germany		Turkey	3–2 Daegu Stadium, Daegu	South Korea		32
18	2006 Details	Germany		Italy	1–1 (a.e.t.) (5–3 PSO) Olympiastadion, Berlin	France		Germany	3–1 Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion, Stuttgart	Portugal		32
19	2010 Details	South Africa		Spain	1–0 (a.e.t.) Soccer City, Johannesburg	Netherlands		Germany	3–2 Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, Port Elizabeth	Uruguay		32
20	2014 Details	Brazil		Germany	1–0 (a.e.t.) Maracanã, Rio de Janeiro	Argentina		Netherlands	3–0 Estádio Nacional, Brasília	Brazil		32
21	2018 Details	Russia		TBD	TBD Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow	TBD		TBD	TBD Krestovsky Stadium, Saint Petersburg	TBD		32

--ThecentreCZ (talk) 22:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2018

Add known results for 2018 world cup to "Best performances by continental zones".

Change:

Only on four occasions have consecutive World Cups been won by teams from the same continent, and currently it is the first time with three champions in a row from the same continental confederation. Italy and Brazil successfully defended their titles in 1938 and 1962 respectively, while Italy's triumph in 2006 has been followed by Spain's in 2010 and Germany's in 2014. Currently, it is also the first time that one of the currently winning continents (Europe) is ahead of the other (South America) by two championships.

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Only on five occasions have consecutive World Cups been won by teams from the same continent, and currently it is the first time with four champions in a row from the same continental confederation. Italy and Brazil successfully defended their titles in 1938 and 1962 respectively, while Italy's triumph in 2006 has been followed by Spain's in 2010, Germany's in 2014 and another UEFA member state is guaranteed the title in 2018. Currently, it is also the first time that one of the currently winning continents (Europe) is ahead of the other (South America) by more than one championship.

Change the table to:

Total times teams qualified by confederation

	AFC	CAF	CONCACAF	CONMEBOL	OFC	UEFA	Total
Teams	37	44	42	85	4	245	457
Top 16	6	9	14	35	1	91	156
Top 8	2	3	5	34	0	100	144
Top 4	1	0	1	22	0	60	84
Top 2	0	0	0	14	0	28	42
1st	0	0	0	9	0	12	21
2nd	0	0	0	5	0	16	21
3rd	0	0	1	3	0	17	21
4th	1	0	0	5	0	15	21

2A00:FE0:48:FFFF:D253:49FF:FE19:6ED6 (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

 DoneThanks man. MadameButterflyKnife talk 01:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2018

In the "Teams reaching the top four" table France is shown to have 6 "Top 4 Finishes" - this should be 5 if the left part of the table is correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janjan.cz (talk • contribs) 11:59, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Canada Upcoming World Cup Hoast

Since Canada will be one of the countries hosting the world cup in 2026, shouldn't the map of the host countries have Canada in the 'planned' category? Should the US and Mexico have their own colors on the map as well to signify that they too are upcoming hosts?

Thanks MisterLarry (talk) 01:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Map of Countries' Best Results

Once again some of the eastern Russian islands are shown as if they were parts of Japan, as is Kaliningrad Oblast that borders Poland and Lithuania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.157.251.203 (talk) 11:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Liveticker

What the heck happened here? Minutes before the final ended the article was "updated" with France as champions, I wonder if Croatia had come back.. Next time maybe it would be better to lock the page early enough.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 16:59, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

I mean, it was 4-2, and the possibility of Croatia making a come back was pretty slim, so I guess that’s why they did that. They still probably should have waited a few minutes, but you can always revert an edit-it’s not like there’s a waiting list for an edit like that. MadameButterflyKnife talk 17:26, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Tournament-specific rules on the penalty cards

In Yellow card (association football), we have : "In most tournaments, the accumulation of a certain number of yellow cards over several matches results in disqualification of the offending player for a certain number of subsequent matches, the exact number of cards and matches varying by jurisdiction." What's the current rule for a FIFA World Cup ? —Jerome Potts (talk) 09:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

okay so the rule is players who pick up two or more yellow cards between the group stage and the quarter-finals are given an automatic one-game suspension-same goes for one red card in that time period. the yellow cards are wiped at the semi final stage but if you get expelled in the semis you can’t be in the finals. MadameButterflyKnife talk 20:01, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2019

The rankings table following the list of World Cup Finals should be edited with regards to the countries listed. The Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia are all recognized by FIFA and UEFA as succeeded by Russia, the Czech Republic, and Serbia respectively. To remain contemporary and in light of FIFA's recognition of these member states as lawful and rightful successors to all records held by the Cold War era states, the table should be updated to accommodate this since the Cold War era states do not exist anymore and are fully recognized as honors held by their successors. DM7SZ (talk) 04:40, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: If you look at the table, you see the "#" beside Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia. Clicking on that brings you to a note explaining "# = states that have since split into two or more independent nations", and the countries that succeeded them as per FIFA. NiciVampireHeart 09:36, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2019

The map of countries' best results should be edited by changing the orange for first round results to red. This ensures consistency among color schemes from other pages regarding football/soccer as well. DM7SZ (talk) 04:45, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page FIFA World Cup. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. The map would need to be edited directly to adjust the colours. I'd suggest bringing it up at the talk page for the file on commons: commons:File talk:World cup countries best results and hosts.PNG. NiciVampireHeart 09:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

wp:npov

wp:npov Gah4 (talk) 17:13, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gah4: Have you got a constructive point about the article? Woody (talk) 09:21, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Well, I posted that from my phone, which made it hard to say more. The question was, whether it is a neutral point of view to title one women's but this one not men's. Also, since the actual name is in French, I wonder why the tournament names are not French. Gah4 (talk) 16:52, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

As mentioned in the above section, we use the official name. It is also the overwhelmingly common name. The Frech name is not more "actual" than the English name, and this is the English Wikipedia so we give the English name. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:30, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

OK, I didn't say that right. It seems that FIFA is Fédération Internationale de Football Association in French, not English or some other language. As well as I know, the English translation of FIFA would not be the correct name. That doesn't mean that the tournament name must be in French, though, so I asked. What does FIFA itself call the tournament? I don't suspect that it applies here, but as far as I know, the IOC has English, French, and the current host country as equal official languages. Gah4 (talk) 08:49, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

The official English name is FIFA World Cup. Their main website https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/ is in English while other languages have a language code, e.g. https://fr.fifa.com/worldcup/. Note that even the French version says worldcup in the URL. There were no English speaking countries in the 1904 foundation of FIFA but that's ancient history. The infobox in FIFA says "Official languages English, French, German, Spanish". https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/who-we-are/the-statutes.html links https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/the-fifa-statutes-2018.pdf where 9.1 confirms it: "English, Spanish, French and German are the official languages of FIFA. English is the official language for minutes, official correspondence and announcements." 9.4 says: "The Statutes, Regulations Governing the Application of the Statutes, the Standing Orders of the Congress, decisions and announcements of FIFA shall be published in the four official languages. If there is any divergence in the wording, the English text shall be authoritative." So while French is one of the official languages, English takes priority in several situations. There is no reason for the English Wikipedia to use the French name just because a French abbreviation for FIFA was chosen in 1904. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

OK, so four official languages. I think I am not so good at reading infoboxes. I wonder if mention of official languages should be in the article. (I should probably ask in the FIFA talk page.) Interesting, watching a live game now, the announcer mentions Men's World Cup. Gah4 (talk) 19:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

During a competition you may need an extra qualifier when referring to another competition. When you posted I was watching a live game from the 2019 UEFA European Under-21 Championship where they mentioned the World Cup for "A teams". That's a Danish term for the main national teams with no age rules. But normally it's just called the World Cup, and the Danish A team is just called the national team. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:32, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2019

Location: 3rd paragraph of article; 2nd sentence: Change "Brazil have won five times, and they are the only team to ..." to "Brazil has won five times, and theirs is the only team to ..." by replacing 'have' with 'has' and 'they are' with 'theirs is'. This is to make the subject and verb agree with each other as singular or plural. Goman1 (talk) 17:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Doesn't sound better. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

@Goman1: To explain further, this article is written in British English, in which teams are often referred to as plural, since they are made up of many individuals. Please see English plurals#Singulars with collective meaning treated as plural for a slightly fuller explanation. – PeeJay 22:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 Jul 2019

"Platini said that he would allocate an additional berth to UEFA, two to the Asian Football Confederation and the Confederation of African Football, two shared between CONCACAF and CONMEBOL, and a guaranteed place for the Oceania Football Confederation." The numbers given only add up to six, not eight. Presumably what is meant is that the Asian and African confederations each get two. If that is correct, recommend changing the text to "two each to the Asian". 71.235.184.247 (talk) 12:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Unclear what you want changed. FluffSquad (talk) 01:48, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Request to change the title to FIFA Men's World Cup

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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As clarified by the text below the page's title, this article refers specifically to the men's tournament. The World Cup represents a dream of unity and international connection through the beautiful game that we all love. Let's try to keep sexism out of it as much as we can! I know that hearing the men's tournament referred to as "the" world cup always made me feel left out as I played (women's) youth soccer. This change would clarify the difference between the pages and would prevent othering of women's participation in the sport. Thank you very much for considering this request! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebecca.K.Hofer (talk • contribs) 09:42, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

The men’s is officially called the FIFA World Cup. It has been since it was founded in 1930. The women’s is officially called the FIFA Women’s World Cup. It has been since it was founded in 1991. Also, the link at the top of the article that directs you to the FIFA Women’s World Cup provides any clarification if it were needed. Cranberry Wood (talk) 10:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Ridiculous request, something that will never happen. The common name is FIFA World Cup and is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC - nothing to do with sexism. Also this isn’t a forum. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 21:59, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Calling somebody's request "ridiculous" is being Uncivil. It's fine to disagree, but such a comment is not appropriate. I won't escalate (that would be uncivil of me) but think you should apologize. For the record, there are many, many pages on Wikipedia that use names that are not the "official" names of things, for various reasons, including clarity. I would suggest renaming this page to FIFA World Cup (Men's) to make it clearer. Here in the US, most people say the US Team just won the World Cup, not the "Women's World Cup." RoyLeban (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

We go by sources, and the overwhelming number of sources, never, or almost never add the word "men's" when referring to the FIFA World Cup. So yes, this is a ridiculous request, once again. Using "men's" is appropriate where sourcing shows its use is substantiated as in the Canada or United States women's or men's soccer teams. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 05:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Doubling down after insulting somebody makes me want to report you (I still won't). You can be civil while making your disagreement clear. On the larger issue, there is plenty of substantiation, see below. RoyLeban (talk) 05:59, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

You wouldn't get very far with a report anyway, I'm not being uncivil, just calling it what it is. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 06:26, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - That's not what this competition is called. If FIFA ever decides to change it to "FIFA Men's World Cup", we will probably follow suit, but it's not up to us to go round righting social wrongs through the medium of wiki. – PeeJay 13:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

@Rebecca.K.Hofer: If you want the page to be moved please follow the process at WP:RM. I would suggest a good read of the guidelines listed at that page before making the nomination. Woody (talk) 09:18, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

• Propose FIFA World Cup (Men's) I can't speak for other countries, but, in the US, the phrase World Cup does not mean the men only. In fact, it more often means the women. Here's as good a source as you get, the new York Times: U.S. Wins World Cup and Becomes a Champion for Its Time; here's CNN World Cup winners paint President Trump into a corner; here's Fox News US women's soccer team wins second straight World Cup title, fourth overall. So, yeah, FIFA is sexist, but that's irrelevant here. The fact is that clarification is needed, as evidenced by the note right below the heading. I think the clarification should be elevated to the heading itself. RoyLeban (talk) 05:59, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

What we have here is WP:Recentism and WP:NPOV, and also sources that do not represent a worldwide view. Also, these are sources for calling the FIFA Women's World Cup the World Cup, not calling the FIFA World Cup the FIFA Men's World Cup. The US men's team has never won a World Cup, nor is the FIFA World Cup being played this year, so these news articles are simply choosing not to use the qualifier because there is no real ambiguity at this moment. Stop using the sexism card, this is how the competition has been, and is called, nothing to do with sexism; it does not need any identifier whatsoever, and likely never will. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 06:26, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Events cancelled due to Pandemic

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifa-international-games-could-be-off-2021-1.5531173 FIFA vice president says international games could be off until 2021

Resumption in 2020 might not be possible in parts of world hit hardest by pandemic Rob Harris · The Associated Press · Apr 13, 2020 Peter K Burian (talk) 13:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

"2038 FIFA World Cup" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 2038 FIFA World Cup. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 28#2038 FIFA World Cup until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2021

77.107.120.220 (talk) 10:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

boris johnson was paqrt of 1966 world cup winning squad

Please provide the exact text you would like to add, remove or change as well as sourcing for it. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:22, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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Uruguay: 1924 and 1928 Olympics

Uruguay displays four stars in its emblem – uniquely in world football, it includes their two gold medals in the 1924 Olympics and 1928 Olympics, which are regarded as FIFA world championships by the governing body.

The 1924 FIFA Congress ruled, “on condition that the Olympic Football Tournament takes place in accordance with the Regulations of FIFA, the latter shall recognize this as a world football championship”, and the 1924 and 1928 championships are regarded as equivalent to World Cups in the 1984 Official History of FIFA.

Hence Uruguay has two stars for 1924 and 1928 (recognized by FIFA as World Championships in accordance with the IOC) and 2 stars from the two World Cups from 1930 and 1950.

Should these Olympic results be included in the Results section, but separated from the World Cup table already present? 2601:5C4:4301:5420:C11:E3AE:E71B:C6CA (talk) 21:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

No, because the Olympic football tournament was not the FIFA World Cup. – PeeJay 20:12, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Summer Olympics

Year	Hosts	Gold medal match			Bronze medal match
		Gold medalists	Score	Silver medalists	Bronze medalists	Score	Fourth place
1924 Details	Paris	Uruguay	3–0	Switzerland	Sweden	1–1 aet	Netherlands
					Match replay: 3–1
1928 Details	Amsterdam	Uruguay	1–1 aet	Argentina	Italy	11–3	Egypt
		Match replay: 2–1

The 1924 and 1928 Olympics were still amateur tournaments. Three teachings (talk) 11:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2021

Suggestion - removal of bias:

Currently there are two pages for the different gendered FIFA World Cups - FIFA Women's World Cup, and FIFA World Cup. To remove gender bias from Wikipedia, shouldn't the main page for the FIFA Men's World Cup, point to that, rather than to an ungendered one for what is a Men's tournament? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.126.157.176 (talk) 20:25, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Change

includes results representing West Germany and Oriental Germany

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includes results representing West Germany and East Germany 2A02:908:1012:F640:30E4:6084:7247:EA92 (talk) 06:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

This has been fixed by another editor [1] RudolfRed (talk) 01:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

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Results

Can we remove the "No. of teams" column and instead split the table horizontally to separate <16, 16, 24, 36, and 48 team tournaments? I think this would enhance readability. As it is, this table is very misleading. --Dazzling4 (talk) 11:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't see how it's misleading or confusing. – PeeJay 19:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2022

Suggestion: Add the current Fifa emblem plus the Trophy Files --> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FIFA_logo_without_slogan.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FIFA_World_Cup_Icon_(Campionato_mondiale_di_calcio).svg Bildersindtoll (talk) 18:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Why? The FIFA logo is not the logo of this competition, and that image of the trophy is a clear copyright violation that should not be on Commons. – PeeJay 11:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

So then, this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FIFA_museum,_Zurich_09.jpg should be used in combination with the current lettering of the tournament. Bildersindtoll (talk) 19:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Your suggestion is irreconcilable with WP:COPY, at least especially the new lettering part, using the exact logo or lettering would pass the threshold of originality meaning copyright licenses apply. As for the picture of the trophy, I'd be less certain but I do know that it's trademarked at the very least, you could ask help at WP:CRA to see if this would pass as okay but I'm not risking it. ★Ama ^{TALK CONTRIBS} 18:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2022

Change ‘FIFA World Cup’ to ‘FIFA Men’s World Cup’ 195.99.43.225 (talk) 22:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: FIFA World Cup is both the official and common name. You would need to establish consensus which is unlikely to happen. If you want to change the title of the article then it's not done with an edit request but a requested move, also unlikely to happen. I know the women's tournament is called FIFA Women's World Cup but as an encyclopedia we describe the World as it is, we don't try to change it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2022 (2)

it says Brazil have won 5 world cups. It needs to be made Brazil has won 5 world cups Babygurl47 (talk) 20:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The article makes use of British English which treats team names, such as Brazil, as plural nouns. In other words, Brazil have won is grammatically correct in this instance. —Sirdog (talk) 05:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Grammatical changes in Awards section

In the Awards section, "There is currently two award voted on by fans after the conclusion of the tournament:" should be changed to "There are currently two awards voted on by fans after the conclusion of the tournament:"

Also, "One other awards was given between 1994 and 2006:" should be changed to "One other award was given between 1994 and 2006:" 2601:602:CB00:740:6DF9:2C35:A325:FA97 (talk) 22:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@2601:602:CB00:740:6DF9:2C35:A325:FA97 change made as requested. Blainster (talk) 20:31, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2022

There is a big mistake in table "Teams reaching the top four" The table lists Russia as reaching 4th place in 1966. It was Soviet Union and not Russia who reached the 4th place in 1966. Soviet Union represented all 15 Soviet Republics, not just Russia, and some prominent players were nor russians. This is an insult to many people. Please replace the country and the national flag. 129.49.100.214 (talk) 19:30, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Madeline (part of me) 19:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

This should not have been done. FIFA considers Russia to be the sole successor to the record of the Soviet Union. It might feel wrong, but Russia should be credited with reaching fourth place at the 1966 World Cup. – PeeJay 21:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Please cite your source when you claim that "FIFA considers Russia to be the sole successor to the record of the Soviet Union". I don't think that's a true statement. Factually speaking, the Soviet Union squad at the 1966 World Cup included many nationals from other republics/countries which participate in FIFA World Cup today as separate countries. For example, their best scorer (and the Bronze Shoe winner of the 1966 World Cup) was Valeriy Porkuyan, who was born in Ukraine and was from Armenian descent. Same goes for the goalkeeper Anzor Kavazashvili who was from Georgia. Logically speaking, it doesn't make sense for Russia shouldn't claim credit from all these players performance in 1966. HyeProfile (talk) 18:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

The thing is, PeeJay is formally correct. FIFA has decided to consider certain teams to be successors to certain other teams. One example is Serbia, considered successor of Yugoslavia (in spite of Serbia being less than half of Yugoslavia), another is Russia (the successor of Soviet Union, in spite of many Soviet players being from outside of Russia).

I think it's unlucky. My personal World Cup statistics (I have an extensive Excel file, which I update every four years) follow different lines. There only Germany and West Germany are merged (as even formally the DDR joined the BRD). I guess, however, that Wikipedia must follow the official statistics, albeit with footnotes. Fomalhaut76 (talk) 09:32, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Please correct title to: FIFA Men's World Cup

This article needs to be titled "FIFA Men's World Cup" to parallel the "FIFA Women's World Cup" article. Thanks in advance for correcting this oversight! 2600:1700:7261:70B0:20C5:EE13:158C:B7B0 (talk) 21:24, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

FIFA World Cup is both the official and common name. See #Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2022. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

FIFA World Cup is both the official and common name. To avoid confusion, we should change to name to FIFA World Cup (men). 38.34.56.29 (talk) 04:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Eight different teams or nine?

The article suggests that eight different teams have won the World Cup but this counts Germany and West Germany as the same team.

Are they? No. The undeniable fact is that two German teams entered the competition many times before merging. 2A00:23C6:1ED5:6201:E9F4:603F:313A:4633 (talk) 23:55, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

The current Germany is considered the successor of West Germany, or maybe just considered the same country with the same flag and same official name Federal Republic of Germany (FRG). East Germany was a separate team but they didn't win. The German reunification was just an expansion of the Federal Republic of Germany. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2022

In the table "Teams reaching the top four" incorrect statement for Russia reaching the top four in 1966 as it was USSR but not Russia alone. This is to be USSR with the correct USSR flag. Please correct this page 2A02:C7C:671B:6300:E0BA:47B0:C41B:B03B (talk) 21:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Aaron Liu (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

 Undone: This request has been undone.by @David Biddulph Aaron Liu (talk) 18:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that table is of current nations, such as Germany and Czech Republic, with the footnotes mentioning predecessors where relevant. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:35, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Winner for 2022 world cup put in results but finally matches haven't been played

Remove results till after match has been play and we have results 64.43.6.135 (talk) 21:13, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

There are unfortunately a large number of vandals targetting this topical event. Luckily the page has plenty of watchers so the vandalism usually gets removed promptly. - David Biddulph (talk) 23:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2022

Argentina has not won yet. 2001:1C02:2C05:1A00:35EE:180E:557C:7C4 (talk) 09:57, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RealAspects (talk) 10:09, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Oops! Argentina should be linked twice in the Intro

I made a mistake in my Edit Summary for adding the link for France in the list paragraph for winners. I said the opposite in the Edit Summary of my intent, omitting the word “not” re Argentina. Sorry! My belief is that it helps readers to have the reigning champion linked at both the beginning of the Intro and at the end, in the list paragraph. It simplifies searching and maintains stylistic flow. I hope Argentina will NOT be de-linked in the winner’s list paragraph. I believe that does NOT violate WP:OVERLINKING. Thanks for your consideration! Left Central (talk) 20:14, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

French Flag

It seems that there is an inconsistency in the french flag throughout the results table. Both the light and the dark version is being used arbitrarily. Maybe it is better to stick to one version. Pratyush Sarkar (talk) 20:44, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

It is not arbitrary. France has used different shades of blue in its flag at different times; they recently changed it back to the classic blue, having had an EU blue for many decades. PolPot1975 (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2022 (2)

change FIFA world cup 2018 to 2022 and Russia to Qatar cuz Argentina won the world cup in 2022 in Qatar (in the first paragraph) 197.249.48.174 (talk) 18:12, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done, it seems like. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 02:09, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Current Champions

Argentina, not Portugal! What is this? 84.245.79.2 (talk) 10:13, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2022 (2)

I would like to change the photo of the current champions Argentina and replace it with the photo, where the Argentinian team is lifting their trophy. 5.41.167.200 (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. RealAspects (talk) 13:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Why does the navbox have to be deleted?

Just as title. I mean, the navboxes of Copa América and UEFA European Championship, which are similar tournaments to FIFA World Cup, are still there. If their navboxes can exist, why does the box of FIFA World Cup have to be removed? This is totally nonsense. You guys must give me convincing reasons or I will return this page to the version with navbox. Riverliu0608 (talk) 00:27, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

@Riverliu0608: You use the mobile version of the site. Most editors use the desktop version which displays Template:FIFA World Cup at the bottom (followed by around 20 other navboxes). Click "Desktop" at the bottom of mobile pages to see the desktop version. In this case I think it would be OK to duplicate the navbox links to World Cup editions in a sidebar at the top as you did by restoring the sidebar.[2]. The links are very important but hard to find (they do occur in later sections), and "Platform" at [3] shows that mobile views is the large majority on this article. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:06, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2022

Plese remove Cristiano Ronaldo picture in the section where it says he is the only player who has scored in 5 world cups.

Reason: This becomes a PR to Ronaldo as the player has flopped in all editions of the world cups he had played so far. Sandwiching his image between Messi and Pele would only provide fuel to his PR.

Wikipedia should not become a PR page for footballers. Rather it should mention about players who are worthy to be mentioned form the competition perspective. TheCaribbeanKid (talk) 18:17, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:51, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you please elaborate on how to establish a consensus. My concern is a rather straightforward one without bias. The FIFA world cups have so many achievers and winners. The pictures of those players should take the priority. World Cups are about passion and Merely a player scoring rather simple goals in 5 editions of the World Cups is not a record that should take the precedence over champion footballers who had actually light up the tournament.

Cristiano Ronaldos record can be mentioned somewhere at the bottom of the page but not with a picture as if the player has set the World Cups on fire, certainly not the case. Also sandwiching the player photo between Messi and Pele is only helping his PR for self promotion not adding Value to the content delivery.

Hope I had explained myself better. TheCaribbeanKid (talk) 17:44, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Number of nations

I noticed that my edit was reverted, so I wanted to discuss here--the current phrasing (" In the tournament phase, 32 teams compete for the title at venues...") is simply not accurate. It was accurate for (some) prior tournaments, but this article is about the World Cup as a whole; shouldn't it reflect the most current configuration of the tournament, which we know will be 48 teams in 2026? If not now, then when should we update this language? Meelar (talk) 15:05, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

We’re still in the 2022 WC period though so 32 teams is current. 48 teams will compete, is future tense. People clicking on the article are predominantly doing so due to the 2022 WC, hence 32 teams being now. Nampa DC (talk) 18:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree with this, given that the 2022 tournament is over. But bracketing that--when would you propose that we switch to the 48-team phrasing? Meelar (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

What is it you don’t agree with? The 32 team tournament has just finished yes, but the article traffic right now is because of it, hence very much current. 32 is what people clicking on the article will expect to see. The prospective 48 teams is three and a half years into the future (we don’t yet know how the tournament will even be configured), thus future tense. It seems premature right now to change it so close to the one that has just ended. Nampa DC (talk) 20:05, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2022

Put Italy above Germany for victories, never beat Italy in a 1v1 in a World Cup, it became champion a fourth time only 8 YEARS after Italy did. 2603:8081:2000:59C6:9C56:445A:6BE3:B5C3 (talk) 04:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 06:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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Wiki Education assignment: English 112 - Freshman Composition

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Serbia

Serbia should be changed to Yugoslavia. Serbia has never reached the top four. Yugoslavia consisted of many republics: Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzogovina. It is silly and completely wrong to use Serbia as a synonym of Yugoslavia. Optimismofthewill (talk) 18:22, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Agree with this - otherwise Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia and Kosovo should be also listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:1A61:6B01:A8AE:5CA0:8766:4A13 (talk) 16:03, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree that it's weird. If results have to be inherited by an existing country (which would make sense given that this is what happens for West Germany and URSS), I think that Croatia should be the heir of the titles. Croatia can claim that it went on to keep alive the football tradition of Yugoslavia, as it continued to win further titles. Serbia is the biggest of the ex-Yugoslavian countries, but size is the only claim they can make to those titles. So, I'd either count them separately, or add them to the team that went on to play football at a competitive international level.--Asdrubalissimo (talk) 01:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I know it seems weird, but since FIFA considers Serbia to be the only successor to Yugoslavia's World Cup record, I don't see a problem with it. You have to follow the sources, not just what "feels" right. – PeeJay 18:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Definitely should be Yugoslavia or Croatia. Serbia barely even qualify, they have never come top 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:625:9300:CD04:819E:6E5C:6D46 (talk) 11:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia entry for FIFA World Cup

I'm wondering why it's called FIFA World Cup? I was looking for stats on the men's world cup hosts and couldn't find the article for men's world cup, just the general FIFA World Cup. But it's confusing cos there is a separate Women's World Cup wiki entry. They're both good quality imo, just the naming of the titles is kinda confusing. What do others think? I'm not a feminist or anything lol I just don't get why it's not just called Men's world cup? If that's what people are interesting in finding info about, they would search that right? KJL2835 (talk) 10:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

That's something you'd have to ask FIFA. They refer to the tournaments as the FIFA World Cup and the FIFA Women's World Cup, so we do too. Hope that helps. – PeeJay 11:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

By the way, if you search for FIFA Men's World Cup, it takes you to the FIFA World Cup page anyway, so you shouldn't have had any trouble finding what you were searching for. Are you sure you're not trying to stir the pot? – PeeJay 11:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 12 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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FIFA World Cup → FIFA Men's World Cup – No WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; the FIFA Women's World Cup is also widely referred to as the "World Cup". For example, the BBC, the Financial Times, 9 News, DW, RNZ, Fox Sports, news.com.au, etc. This can also be seen in Google Search trends; people are overwhelmingly using "World Cup" rather than "Women's World Cup". The proposed title would also be WP:CONSISTENT with FIFA Women's World Cup. If this move is successful, a dab page would be created here. BilledMammal (talk) 10:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Football, WikiProject Women, and WikiProject Women in Red have been notified of this discussion. BilledMammal (talk) 10:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I'm always one for equality, but even just looking at the official names for the tournament the men's tournament is "FIFA World Cup" while the women's official name is "FIFA Women's World Cup", so the Consistent argument doesn't hold as the pages are currently titled matching their official names. If it was FIFA World Cup (women), then the Consistency argument would hold, but it's not the official name. WP:RECENCY also holds here. During an active women's world cup, it's fairly reasonable to assume that discussions about a current tournament is the women's one, given its the active one. However, during a non-active time, it is more likely to be referred as a women's world cup, when not specifically obvious (ie. during a discussion on women's football, the WWC is usually assumed) RedPatch (talk) 10:46, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

  is "FIFA World Cup" while the women's official name is "FIFA Women's World Cup", so the Consistent argument doesn't hold as the pages are currently titled matching their official names WP:OFFICIALNAMES; we don't title our articles based on official names, so which one of them is the official name isn't relevant to assessing the primary topic and WP:CRITERIA. BilledMammal (talk) 10:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. Very few sources use "FIFA Men's World Cup". O.N.R. ^(talk) 12:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, the two events are nothing alike and there is a clear primary topic. Killuminator (talk) 13:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, clearly fails WP:COMMONNAME. 162 etc. (talk) 15:48, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above comments. Rreagan007 (talk) 15:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose, per Killuminator and 162 etc. History6042 (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME of the tournament. The tournament featuring men's sides is more commonly called the World Cup, and the tournament featuring women's sides is more commonly called the Women's World Cup. It's a clear example of male as norm, but there is a clear primary topic for the term "World Cup" and the proposed change feels like a case of recentism. A hatnote should suffice to clear up any confusion. Jay eyem (talk) 19:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Ugogames (talk | contribs) 21:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - however this may be reconsidered in the future in the case of the women's variety continuing to have more popularity as it is currently going. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - As much as anyone might not like it, the men's tournament is not called the FIFA Men's World Cup. – PeeJay 17:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 17:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as above, this is neither official or common name. When you say 'World Cup' in a soccer context, people think about this. The women's tournament does not compare. GiantSnowman 17:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose men's event is the clear primary topic. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:TOOSOON. I think it's coming, especially with the current popularity of the women's tournament. But it's not the WP:COMMONNAME yet. SportingFlyer T·C 22:36, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Oppose I completely agree with Sporting Flyer and others. Encyclopædias are designed for easy reference, and at the moment, readers will look for "World Cup" or "FIFA World Cup" rather than "FIFA Men's World Cup", just as they will look for Queen Victoria rather than Victoria of the United Kingdom. Cf. Professional Golfers Association (PGA) vs. Ladies Professional Golf Association (LPGA).

  —— Shakescene (talk) 17:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

  I mean, I typed in "World Cup" today looking for the currently ongoing World Cup (not this topic) and found it immediately... SportingFlyer T·C 22:10, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• SNOW oppose Not a WP:COMMONNAME. — Prodraxis {talk • contribs} (she/her) 23:44, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, It is clearly stated that the official international tournament as "FIFA World Cup" for the senior's men's team, plus this IS the primary topic.

Guyrichtheman (talk) 03:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

• SNOW Oppose, PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 08:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose per Snowman, Iggy and Joseph. Nick Clayton64 (talk) 10:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per primary topic/official name. Messi R9 R10 CR7 Thiago LFC (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose, until such a name change is made by FIFA, Wikipedia has to reflect the facts and the current official name. Wiki should not be used as a platform to provide pressure or advocacy for certain changes. Anvib (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support: Go to the source: the FIFA website (https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup) is inconsistent - header is FIFA World Cup™, but immediately below it says "Taking place quadrennially, the FIFA Men's World Cup™". 2601:184:4A7F:CBF0:BCDD:DDF0:E997:4F53 (talk) 19:27, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

  The inclusion of 'men's' in the link is simply for clarity purposes (in this case to avoid confusion with the women's tournament), this does not represent the official name of the tournament. For now, that argument is infufficient, so my opinion is 'oppose' Lawrence 979 (talk) 22:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Oppose (for now) - At this point in time, the competition is usually only referred to by FIFA as simply 'FIFA World Cup', and this differs to the women's world cup. Unless FIFA change this and start referring to the competition as 'men's world cup', the move should not go ahead at this point in time. Lawrence 979 (talk) 21:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• Strong support Just because FIFA and others are still, bluntly, misogynistic, does not mean that Wikipedia should be. Remember, WP rules are advice only, amenable to change. I confess that I find it disturbing that I am apparently the only person to support this! Ldm1954 (talk) 12:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
  • You're the only one because the proposal is, frankly, ludicrous. The tournament is not called the FIFA Men’s World Cup, and Wikipedia reflects reality the way it is, not the way you wish it were. – PeeJay 13:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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