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IP user removing links to "Indo-Canadian" articles from Pakistani diaspora templates

There is a Pakistani IP user removing links to "Indo-Canadian" articles from Pakistani diaspora templates. He objects to the term "Indo-Canadian" (which actually means all Canadians of south Asian origin) and therefore is removing links to Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver and Indo-Canadians in the Greater Toronto Area (which have information on people of Pakistani origins living in those cities)

His edits are grossly inappropriate. After the last revert I am notifying this project. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: I can see that Indo-Canadian might perhaps translate to South Asians. However, I can also see there is a comprehensive article on South Asian Canadians. While the Indo-Canadians article discusses Canadians of descent from the Republic of India, rather than South Asia. How about renaming these articles to South Asian Canadians (if that is the group they are subjecting) as a way to circumvent this terminology issue? That is how Wikipedia seems to go about in identifying the distinction. Just a suggestion. Mar4d (talk) 04:35, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a very good idea to me. YBG (talk) 04:38, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

@Mar4d: I don't mind if the articles are named "South Asians of..." - Indo-Canadian is synonymous with South Asian Canadian (the term for people from post-partition India is essentially "East Indian Canadian" although the terms "Indo-Canadian"/"East Indian"/"South Asian" are also loosely used in a synonymous fashion). See my research at Indo-Canadians#Terminology (Book citation showing that "East Indian" is the specific term for people coming from India)

While I don't mind if the associated articles are renamed I also think Pakistani editors should be educated on what "Indo-Canadian" means and that they should understand if a Pakistani Canadian is described as an "Indo-Canadian"

WhisperToMe (talk) 04:44, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Just took a look at the article section. Yes, it appears the two are used interchangeably. In that case, a page move becomes more easy as we can establish 'South Asian' is an accepted term and what Wikipedia seems to use on the main article to identify people from that region. If doing that would end the nationalist edit war, the merrier. Your point about educating users of the interchangeability is valid. I would not mind a sentence or two on Pakistani Canadians discussing the synonymous use of 'Indo-Canadians' and 'South Asian-Canadians' subsuming the group. Mar4d (talk) 05:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

List of members of the 14th Parliament of Pakistan

I have nominated this list for featured list because I think it meets all of the FL criteria and so has great potential to become a Featured List. could someone please try to improve the lead and prose and ce the text. Thank you.--Saqib (talk) 17:43, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Hina Rabbani Khar

Hina Rabbani Khar, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Mariam Mukhtar page move request

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Mariam_Mukhtar#Requested_move_23_August_2016, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, jcc (tea and biscuits) 21:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Article title problem - Nishan-e-Pakistan

The title refers to a particular award (the Nishan-e-Pakistan), which is the highest award possible, but the article content covers all the <x>-e-Pakistan awards (Nishan Hilal, Sitara and Tamgha). Normally there are different levels of orders, but in this case, there's only one level actually called Order (nishan). Therefore, the article title is a bit confusing, and I'd like to change it to something clearer, but I don't know what that would be. It is also possible that the Civil decorations of Pakistan article is organized incorrectly in the table, but I am not sure there either. Can someone help me sort this out? MSJapan (talk) 19:31, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

MSJapan: how about going in the other direction, and splitting the other awards into separate articles? "Third highest civilian award" would most certainly deserve and article, in my book. Vanamonde (talk) 04:54, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

I believe the rest of the awards are lower in hierarchy (i.e. second, third, fourth order), that's why they are listed below the Nishan-e-Pakistan. Though I agree with the assessment that each of them are notable to have their own articles. Mar4d (talk) 09:46, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

I'd bet they were separate at one point and then combined because of lack of length of the individual sections. Also, just because they're individually notable doesn't mean they should get an article if we can't come up with anything meaningful to say. What I'd like to do for the moment is come up with a correct blanket term to cover everything, and then see what can be found - I know for sure we need pictures of the various awards, as well as a history (which seems to be pretty standard - they were all created at the same time), and a list of recipients, some of which we have and some of which we don't. The other issue is that I'm not sure how to break it up - should it be by Nishan, Hilal, Sitara, etc. (class), or should it be by Pakistan, Shujaat, Imtiaz, etc. (type)? MSJapan (talk) 17:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@MSJapan: I just went over the order of civil decorations again and I see where the confusion lies. There are four award classes; the most prestigious is Nishan (symbol), followed by Hilal (crescent), Sitara (star), and Tamgha (medal). What's apparent at Nishan-e-Pakistan is that all the other awards have been listed because they're part of the "Order of Pakistan" (e-Pakistan) and they are lower in terms of their hierarchy (the Nishan is followed by the Hilal, Sitara and Tamgha classes). So the article has lumped together these awards because they belong to the same Order, not because of their Class (each of those awards are in fact the highest in their respective classes as the table shows). I believe awards are usually defined by the Order they belong to, not the class (the class is just for hierarchy purposes). So to answer your question, it'd probably make sense to break it up as Order of Pakistan, Order of Shujaat, Order of Imtiaz, Order of Quaid-i-Azam and Order of Khidmat, with each of these having classes from Nishan to Tamgha in descending order. Mar4d (talk) 19:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

OK, got it. I'll try to work on that. MSJapan (talk) 02:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Or if the problem of insufficient content remains, rename the original to "civil decorations of Pakistan" or something of that sort. Vanamonde (talk) 05:12, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

List of members of the 14th National Assembly of Pakistan

The list has has been promoted to FL status. But If you guys can update or improve it, please do so. --Saqib (talk) 08:58, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Mazhabi Sikhs

Hi, I've got the impression that this project may be fairly dormant nowadays but I wonder if anyone could point me in the direction of sources relating to Mazhabi Sikhs in Pakistan? Our article did say that they are still present there but I have my doubts, especially given the 1947 migrations of communities both to and from Pakistan/India. Might there be modern census data that could help, for example? Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:27, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Anyone? Or should this project be marked as dormant? - Sitush (talk) 09:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Can't find any mention of Mazhabi Sikhs or even Sikhs at least in the 1998 census report of Punjab. I guess they (Sikhs in general) were counted among "Others" because of their few numbers.

However this source says that there is a Mazhabi Sikh gurdwara at Karachi , which I figure is in Narayan Pura and still functional according to this. So I suppose Sikhs going to this gurdwara might be Mazhabi Sikhs but I am not sure how good this is for inclusion in the article. --SMS ^Talk 19:46, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Brilliant, thanks. I will see if I can chase anything up from that. Call me surprised! - Sitush (talk) 20:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Article deletion nominations

The articles India and state-sponsored terrorism and 2016 Indian military raid in Pakistan-administered Kashmir have been nominated for deletion. Please take a look. Thanks. Filpro (talk) 16:52, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

List of senators in the 14th Parliament of Pakistan

I am hoping to get this as featured list but it is not ready yet. The lead needs to be well-written. Anyone willing to work on it? --Saqib (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Federal ministers

Lately, I have been working on fixing the issues with the biography pages of Federal Ministers of Pakistan. Out of 21 pages, most of the pages were poorly sourced and very promotional. So it took me a while to fix them all up and since now the pages have been cleaned-up to meet the WP guidelines, I request volunteers to keep an eye on them and remove any sort of vandalism and unsourced or objectionable text added to pages which could possibly put article's quality at stake, again. I believe the pages of current cabinet members are important and should be neccessary to keep them clean and properly sourced. --Saqib (talk) 09:54, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Dandot RS

Please verify. What is RS?Xx236 (talk) 06:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

My first thought was WP:RS, but of course not!! On further thought, maybe it is Railway Station. Probably should be merged with Dandot railway station. YBG (talk) 08:15, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Or maybe not. Dandot RS claims to be in Jhelum District, Punjab, but Dandot railway station claims to be in Sindh. YBG (talk) 08:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

And then there is Dandot claiming to be in Chakwal District, Punjab. YBG (talk) 08:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

There is a railway station in Dandot town, Jhelum as well so I assume the title referring to Dandot Railway Station. --Saqib (talk) 06:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Niaz Mohammad Khan

Can someone please add the Urdu script for Niaz Mohammad Khan, and please add sources if you can find them in any language. Does the article exist in Urdu? Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:04, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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MQM Pakistan or MQM

Hi all, we need community opinion what to name the MQM related pages. --Saqib (talk) 07:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

The Scholars Science College

Please develop or delete.Xx236 (talk) 13:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I have redirected it to Wah Cantonment#Education for now. --SMS ^Talk 13:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Various Punjabi dialects

Many of the articles on Western Punjabi dialects include lists of words in the given dialect. The trouble is that these are unsourced, the entries have sometimes been modified by various anonymous users, and these articles have generally been subjected to quite a bit of sockery and POV-pushing. I think the wordlists are unreliable and I'm planning to remove them all, but it would be nice if someone could have a look and let me know in case I'm wrong. There are such wordlists for example at Thalochi dialect, Jhangvi dialect and Multani dialect. – Uanfala (talk) 17:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

• Update: I've removed the tables, and the links above go to the old article versions that had them. – Uanfala (talk) 11:09, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Geography stub templates

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Full protection requested for "Template:Overseas Pakistani"

@182.189.225.179: The Pakistani IPs don't seem to be getting the message. I got this message from an IP user criticizing me for correctly pointing out what "Indo-Canadian" means, accusing me of "vandalism". He removed the Toronto/Vancouver pages *despite* the fact I had them renamed to "South Asian" ameliorate this.

I think it's time to do full protection.

I also edited the lead of Indo-Canadian to make it clear that A. the term *also* includes other South Asians and B. when Statistics Canada differentiates specifically post-partition India it uses "East Indian" and not "Indo-Canadian" as the differentiating word. (although in reality that too gets mixed up with the other words) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

BBC Wikipedia collaboration Edit-a-thon in Islamabad

BBC will be organsining Wikipedia Edit-a-thon (part of BBC annual BBC 100 Women Series) in Islamabad on December 8th. Editors in and around Islamabad willing to attend the event kindly contact Ahmen Khawaja (Ahmen.Khawaja@bbc.co.uk) --Saqib (talk) 12:04, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

@ Saqib I have created a Meetup page for the event. Will update as further details are shared. --SMS ^Talk 13:28, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Dera Ghazi Khan cleanup

I've put in some work on Dera Ghazi Khan, partly copyediting for grammar and clarity, and partly factual correction. But if the article is improved enough to be kept, it will really need attention from someone more familiar with Pakistan. Please see Talk:Dera Ghazi Khan § Cleanup, January 2017.

Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 05:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Adal Soomro

Came across Adal Soomro, which had been prodded. It seems like he is quite notable as a poet, and also passes WP:PROF for the distinguished chair he held. Unfortunately, I'm not able to access/read most of the sources about him. I've added a little bit and deprodded but it could still use a bit of work if anyone is so inclined... — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:56, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate articles

Found duplicate articles, F.B.Area (Gulberg Town), Karachi and Federal B. Area. They need to be merged and renamed 'Federal B Area' with a 'F B Area' redirect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfarazbaig (talk • contribs) 00:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Pakistan needs major restructuring

After having compared Pakistan with United States, India and China articles, I have come to the following conclusion.

i. 'Economy' sub-section needs to be given its own Section (move it out of 'Infrastructure').

ii. 'Geography, environment and climate' section should be listed right after 'History' and above 'Government and politics'.

iii. 'Urbanisation' sub-section needs to be moved and listed under 'Demographics' section.

iv. 'Military' sub-section needs to be given its own Section (move it out of 'Government and politics').

v. 'Science and technology' sub-section can have its own Section (move it out of 'Infrastructure').

Consensus is sought for the necessary changes (which obviously should be carried out by senior Wikipedians), after which this article needs to be nominated for Good Article status.

P.S. Each recommended point should be debated separately so that the ones with consensus can be implemented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfarazbaig (talk • contribs) 00:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

At first glance, these sound like fine ideas. The discussion should take place on the article's talk page at Talk:Pakistan § Major Restructuring Needed. YBG (talk) 00:15, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

You are right. That's why I initially posted it there about a week ago but received no response. Mfarazbaig —Preceding undated comment added 19:01, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Calenders

I've got some Wiki Loves Earth 2017 calendars and post cards to distribute. If anyone would like to have some, send me an e-mail with your postal address. --Saqib (talk) 14:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Kot_Adu

Greetings, I have no domain knowledge on the general topic of Pakistan however I noticed the Kot_Adu article has recently had about 12K worth of text added, with no sources provided for the new text. The text needs copy editing for grammar, and some aspects of the writing sound very non-encyclopedic. Before I take a run at cleaning it up, I wanted to reach out here and see if someone with more expertise on Pakistan could check it out and groom this article a bit. There may be some good content in the new edit however, you may be better equipped with proper RS's to validate whether the content is good or not. I'll watch this page so if someone wants to take it on, please let me know. Otherwise I'll try to circle back to it. My aim here is just to keep the article clean so that any non-sensical content doesn't detract from what may be meaningful and actually verifiable. Cheers and thanks! Curdigirl (talk) 07:32, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@Curdigirl: Merge it with Kot Addu City. --Saqib (talk) 08:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Perfect! Yep, found that duplicate moments after reaching out here. Thanks, @@Saqib:! Curdigirl (talk) 08:05, 24 February 2017 (UTC)Curdigirl (talk) 08:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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Map of Punjab region

There is a discussion about the accuracy of this map of Punjab at Talk:Punjab (region)#Amritpal Singh Mann.27s map. Please feel free to contribute. utcursch | talk 12:52, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Daikon split discussion

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Gojra

Hi there,

The article for Gojra has been on my watchlist for a while now due to repeated promotion, sock puppetry, and [somewhat less problematically] adding a great deal of unsourced content, including opinion. Like many city/town articles, it attracts a lot of WP:SPAs and new users who don't know how Wikipedia works. I've just done some cleanup from the last round of several IPs/new accounts adding such content, but the article could really use some attention from experienced editors if anyone is so inclined.

Thanks. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:21, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Terror attacks article by a new editor

2009 Dera Ismail Khan suicide bombing uses poor-quality references and is somewhat POV-pushing, but it is probably not eligible for AfD. I lack familiarity with the subject to clean it up though. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to 2017 Wikipedia & Sindhi Wikipedia awareness workshop and meetup in Karachi

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Aleena lodhi haroon

Hello! I am wondering if there are any Urdu-language speakers who can assess the notability of an article listed here: Aleena lodhi haroon. Thanks for the help! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal on Rape in the Kashmir conflict

A merger has been proposed at Talk:Rape in the Kashmir conflict#Merger proposal. Feel free to share your views and participate constructively in the discussion.Owais Khursheed (Talk to me) 12:56, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Deletion proposal at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srinagar bypoll election killings 2017

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Duplicate Railway Stations

Can any one confirm if these railway stations are same. I think these both are same stations although articles are written by same person

• Taunsa-Barrage railway station
• Taunsa Barrage railway station
  

BR Sulaimandaud (talk) 06:35, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Chaudhry Mumtaz Ahmed Kahloon

The Chaudhry Mumtaz Ahmed Kahloon article, created about a month ago, has been prodded. I considered deprodding, as members of the National Assembly of Pakistan are presumed to be notable per WP:POLITICIAN – however I can't find any references to support the claim that he was a member of that body, and he doesn't seem to be listed in any of the lists of members on the National Assembly website. It's possible though that I've missed or misunderstood something – can anyone help? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:56, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I can't see him in the directory of former members of the National Assembly, either. But he has been a member of the Provincial Assembly of the Punjab. [1] --Saqib (talk) 07:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I've deprodded and rewritten with that information and that source, since members of provincial legislatures are also presumed to be notable according to the same guideline. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Need consensus to change Taxila --> "Ancient Taxila"

Hi everyone,
The Taxila page is being discussed for renaming to Ancient Taxila, to clarify that the page is in reference to the Ancient city. Another page has already been created for Taxila (modern). As a result, I've submitted a name change request here at --> Talk:Taxila.
Your input is appreciated to help build consensus, Willard84 (talk) 18:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Chak Choti Shafi

There's a new editor who is insisting there is a small town near Chak Shafi named "Chak Choti Shafi", but we can't seem to find anything about it anywhere. It's not even showing on Google Maps. Can someone here see if you can find anything about this alleged location? Maybe come to the discussion and see if you can help figure this out? We appreciate any help. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Altaf Hussain (pakistani politician) & Altaf Hussain (Pakistani politician)

These two pages are about different people. The lower case one was moved from Chaudhry Altaf Hussain. If anyone can move it to a better name, please do so. 220 of ^Borg 04:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Widespread deletion and vandalism of content on the Northern Pakistani tribes and clans

A lot of content (in some cases, entire articles), related to the tribes of Nortern Pakistan, has been deleted by a wikiuser that goes by the name 'sitush' (from southern India). Only explanation given by him for such vandalism is that HE does not consider the British Raj, Ancient Persian or Greek sources as reliable. It should be noted that the British Raj, Persian, and Greek sources are the only sources which documented the history of most of the tribes in northern Pakistan and by refusing to accept them as reliable sources, the user mentioned earlier has been responsible for a lot of empty or vandalized articles. Moreover, the said user also locks the pages from edits. I would like to know why and how, a person from southern India, is allowed to dictate people from Northern Pakistan on what HE considers reliable and what he does not consider reliable. It would seem to me that editing wiki pages is his full time job and he gets paid for it as he takes little to no time to undo an edit done on an article regarding tribes of northern Pakistan and is always active on wikipedia. Shoaiborakzai90 (talk) 00:39, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Category:Gilgit-Baltistan education stubs deletion

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Category:Gilgit-Baltistan lake article stubs

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Kacchi and Kachhi

Could someone better acquainted with geography have a look and see if Kacchi Plain (with Kacchi) is really a distinct entity from Kachhi? Many thanks! – Uanfala 20:17, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

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Unclear matter related to some Lahore-related articles

Checking my old links I noticed weird categories in some articles linked to [Category:Journalistic hoaxes]; articles in question are Valmiki Temple and Lava temple, Lahore fort. Both articles were started by now-blocked User:Thecutehero and the categories were included in the original versions of the articles. I removed the categories because the articles do not refer to any kind of hoax but I also know _absolutely nothing_ about Lahore. If the original editor started these articles as his own personal journalistic hoax, they maybe be suspicious. Therefore I decided to inform the people mostly likely to know about the area. Could you have a look at the articles in question? - Skysmith (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Al-Ikhwah

The page is unsourced and orphaned after four years. Please contribute.Xx236 (talk) 09:34, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Pakistan

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Adamjee Literary Award

Anyone has a good resource for this ? I am planning to work on it. Thanks. Altaf (talk) 01:27, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Help with Urdu sources at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niazi Express

Hello. There is a AfD going on about a Pakistani bus company Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niazi Express. Could some editors please help with looking up Urdu sources and determining if this bus company is notable? --DreamLinker (talk) 03:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Pakistani province government

This template creates circular links; and in Government of Punjab, Pakistan, a link to the DAB page Government of Punjab. On 2 November 2017, I posted my findings and a suggestion at Template talk:Infobox Pakistani province government. Could someone attend to this problem, please? Narky Blert (talk) 12:30, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Is Jamaat Ahle Sunnat the same as proscribed sectarian group ASWJ?

The term Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah currently goes to a redirect with links out to Sunni Islam, Barelvi, and various Sunni groups, including Jamaat Ahle Sunnat. It appears that Jamaat Ahle Sunnat might the same thing as the proscribed Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamat (ASWJ). Or is JAS something different entirely and just some basic Barelvi group, and do we currently lack an article for Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamat (ASWJ)?

What brought this to my attention was a new article on Muhammad Ahmed Ludhianvi, the leader of proscribed ASWJ. For "whatever reason" the new article did not mention at all that ASWJ is proscribed, nor that Ludhianvi is on a terrorism suspect list in Pakistan (per reliable news reporting). I would invite interested persons to watchlist that page as it is possible that supporters may "whitewash" the page to remove any criticism of this figure, or alternately that it might be vandlalized by opponents.

Thanks for any help figuring out if ASWJ (proscribed) is an existing page, or needs a new page! MatthewVanitas (talk) 09:34, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

It appears that the article for the proscribed ASWJ is Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan; they changed their name to ASWJ and were proscribed under that name. Is that correct? MatthewVanitas (talk) 11:14, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@MatthewVanitas: Yes, that's true. Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan is a proscribed organisation. Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah is a broad term that generally refers to the followers of Sunni Islam.  samee  ^talk 03:06, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation

@Samee. Happy to join WikiProject Pakistan at your invitation. Looking forward to working with all of you. I read your message on my Talk page and I think I did the couple required steps. Please let me know on my Talk page or here, if I need to do more to finish up the joining process. Ngrewal1 (talk) 03:10, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

@Ngrewal1: No, that's enough. Thank you for joining WikiProject Pakistan.  samee  ^talk 09:08, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Please come and help...

A page-move discussion has just been relisted at Talk:East Bengali refugees#Requested move 10 March 2018, and your input would be much appreciated. Please come and help with your opinion and rationale about whether or not this article should be renamed. Thank you very much in advance!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  19:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Help with geography of KP

Hi folks - I'm a stub sorter trying to figure out where various populated places and geographic features lie within Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. At the moment I'm having difficulty determining the boundaries of Upper Kohistan District and Lower Kohistan District - the articles on them only refer to the split of the district and not where the borders are. If someone would go through the Category:Geography of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and add a category or text specifying the location of a populated place in Kohistan, I would greatly appreciate it! (Also, if anyone is willing to split {{Kohistan-Union-Councils}}, that would help as well.) Cheers - Pegship (talk) 18:09, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Spelling, Zil-e-Huma, Zill-e-Huma or Zille Huma

There are three articles with the names Zil-e-Huma (politician), Zil-e-Huma, Zill-e-Huma. All three belongs to Pakistan. There is a Zil-e-Huma (disambiguation) page, which list down all three of them. I have opened discussion on talk page Talk:Zil-e-Huma (disambiguation) to standardize this name in English with correct or with spelling which are widely accepted. You are welcome to go Talk:Zil-e-Huma (disambiguation) and give you feedback. With consensus we can rename these three articles and disambiguation page. --Spasage (talk) 18:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Help with population of Parachinar

I am currently seeking assistance in determining the population of Parachinar, FATA. Discussion at Talk:Parachinar#Parachinar_population.--Avg W (talk) 20:13, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Numbering

Please participate in discussion of dispute in numbering of Prime Ministers at Talk:List of Prime Ministers of Pakistan#Numbers.119.160.98.110 (talk) 02:07, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Request for comment

An RfC is taking place at Talk:Regional power#RfC:_On_quality_of_sources which may interest the editors of this community. Thanks. Usman47 (talk) 14:57, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to protect articles related to India-Pakistan conflict

A proposal has been made to apply the equivalent of extended confirmed protection to any article related to conflicts between India and Pakistan. Interested editors are invited to comment on the proposal. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#India/Pakistan

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#India/Pakistan. DBigXrayᗙ 11:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Any suggestions for this article?

Any suggestions for hooks or ways to improve the article The Idea of Pakistan. Regards. DTM (talk) 11:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I've started the DYK nomination but please still do give any suggestions for improving the article or any alternative hooks. Thanks. DTM (talk) 11:33, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I will read sometime. Zakaria1978 (talk) 23:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Comment and vote

Please comment and vote with fairness and in a neutral way on this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C00:1604:BB00:459B:2CED:129E:AAB0 (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I have looked and voted. Zakaria1978 (talk) 23:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you comment here, and herea bunch of bad faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C00:1604:BB00:459B:2CED:129E:AAB0 (talk) 10:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Satdeep Gill: - @DiplomatTesterMan: - @J. Patrick Fischer:, neutrality, honesty and fairness speak and prvail.

Since no one seems to have a problem with the author's article Ehsan Sehgal, why not merge Zarb-e-Sukhan (Kulliyaat) with it, that is as per the AFD result. DTM (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Expansion help requested

Sajid Hussain (journalist) DTM (talk) 14:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help

Hello, this is haris Waheed a Pakistani actor. I need to publish my page and need some help I have been publishing it but couldn't know its getting deleted. Even though its authentic. Kindly help me and my work to be on wikipedia to represent Pakistan. Thank you

User: haris Waheed 1 Haris Waheed 1 (talk) 23:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)haris waheed 1Haris Waheed 1 (talk) 23:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Haris Waheed 1, if you give the links where you are mentioned in newspaper, I can see if I can help, Inshallah. Zakaria1978 (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, :Zakaria1978,thanks for replying. Here is link and you can google it as well. https://tribune.com.pk/haris-waheed/ I have source code ready . And I can share it. Kindly contact me. Hariswaheed94@gmail.com . Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haris Waheed 1 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Ty brother! Do you have more articles? Wiki needs several sources, if not, they might delete it. Zakaria1978 (talk) 16:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Potential vandalizing on Abdullah Hussain Haroon

While I was gathering a list of all Pakistani politicians who have origins from the Indian state of Gujarat, I found Abdullah Hussain Haroon. The first line says he is a conspiracy theorist. It violates WP:LABEL I think. Can someone please take a look at it and fix it?

Amazingcaptain (talk) 10:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Bangladesh Liberation War

There is an RfC to determine the result in the infobox. Currently, the discussion is only dominated by Bangladeshi and Indian editors. We need some Pakistani participation too. Please join in. Za-ari-masen (talk) 09:32, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Religious conversions in Pakistan article nominated for deletion

A newly created article related to Pakistan are under discussion at AfD here - Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Religious_conversions_in_Pakistan#Religious_conversions_in_Pakistan I'm inviting pakistani wikipedians go there and comment. Thanks! Ytpks896 (talk) 20:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move at Noor Khan (actress)

An editor has requested for Noor Khan (actress) to be moved to Noor Zafar Khan. Since you had some involvement with Noor Khan (actress), you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 12:46, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Unknown politician from Pakistan

Hello! I got two photos from East Timorese parliament. In 7 November 2018 was a conference of the Asian Parliaments' Assembly (APA) in Gwadar. The East Timorese delegation had a meeting with a Pakistani politician, I couldn't identify. He seem to have been the host of the conference. Maybe you can identify the right flag on one of the photos, too? Please answer me with a "ping", as I am generally active on German Wikipedia. Greetings from Munich, --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 21:39, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• 
  The meeting. Who is the man in the center?
• 
  The unknown politician

@J. Patrick Fischer: This is senator Sadiq Sanjrani. --Satdeep Gill (talk • contribs 07:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! --J. Patrick Fischer (talk) 07:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

He is politician from Balochistan Pakistani province. Zakaria1978 (talk) 23:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Sadiq Sanjrani is the Chairman of Senate of Pakistan Ammar Anwer (talk) 10:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Possible duplicates: Rabwah railway station and Chenab Nagar railway station

An anonymous user on Wikidata [2] said that these two stations are the same. Since the article on the first station is very short and does not contain a coordinate location this is impossible to verify for me. Can you please have a look and merge the articles if appropriate here and on Urdu Wikipedia? Pyfisch (talk) 07:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Yep, Pyfisch, this would seem about right; Chenab Nagar is just the official name of Rabwah, and Pakistan Railways' website (the only source in both railway stations' articles) only lists the former.

Thank you so much for letting us know; I'll start merging them as soon as I can. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 15:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Another two items are duplicates wikidata:Q18487070 and wikidata:Q15241469. While there is just one article on enwiki, there are two on Urdu Wikipedia. Can someone please merge them there? Pyfisch (talk) 10:55, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Pyfisch: done! The first of those two was a misspelling, and appeared to be created from a boilerplate; since I didn't see anything in it that wasn't already in the main, correctly-titled article, I just went ahead and created a redirect. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

 This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Merged and redirected the first two stations myself. Pyfisch (talk) 16:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Khes

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Khes. This article and its primary author could use some help. The topic appears at least marginally encyclopedic, but the main editor (not a native English speaker) seems to have trouble understanding the core content policies, parsing the exact meaning of the sources and citing them accurately (may have even contradicted them in a few places). As I've suggested on the talk page, there are probably non-English sources that are good for this (perhaps already listed in non-English articles at South Asian-languages Wikipedias that haven't been linked to this article yet). I already did a cleanup pass on the page, last night, to make it more comprehensible, but there are sourcing issues I can't really deal with. I'll notify WT:INDIA, too, since this topic is kind of a pan-Punjab thing.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Talk consolidation

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistan#Talk consolidation. Short version: It's confusing to have two talk pages (and even contradictory shortcuts).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:09, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Who determines the names and numbers of Cultural heritage monuments in Pakistan?

Is there a places where these names and numbers can be checked? Thanks, --Krok6kola (talk) 23:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Pakistan Football Federation

Hello,

There has been a lot of sockpuppet activity on this article so I reverted to an earlier version. Maybe someone here who is up-to-date on football in Pakistan can review the article to see if all of the content is current and valid. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Indian Chronicles & their impact on Wikipedia's Content Transparency about Pakistan

Hi Everyone, I've started editing wikipedia recently & found too many biased content against Pakistan usually referenced by indian websites & possibly from those non-indian websites which were busted by EU disinformation Lab as Indian Chronicles. As named by EU disinfo lab, Indian Chronicles is currently active indian web of NGOs & websites trying their best to defame the image of Pakistan. It has been 16 years that India is using Almost 750 fake news outlets to defame & discredit Pakistan. There is a lot of information about indian Chronicles on web, which you should Check. Some things which we can do,

Suggestions

• Blocking referencing from Those fake news outlets.
• Removing all fake info on Wikipedia from those fake news outlets.
• Creating an Article about indian Chronicles (though there are many reliable, independent references available, but still there's no article on wikipedia about indian Chronicles)
• & Other possible options.

I don't know exactly how to do above tasks but we can figure out.... Thanks... HelloPak (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Maps

Recently MuhammadWaleed83752 has modified several maps on two pages of interest to this project. This work is to be commended as a good faith effort to improve our encyclopedia. The changes to the maps are mostly the addition of text explaining the status of Jammu & Kashmir. There are, however, some concerns that should be considered before more work is devoted to this effort.

1. Is the text large enough to be easily read?
2. Have there been other unintentional changes made?
3. Does the J&K information help the reader understand the subject of the articles?
4. Do these maps comply with the WP:NPOV as stated in WP:PAK § The scope of the project It is encouraged that a Neutral Point of View be taken into consideration while submitting maps relating to the disputed territories of Kashmir.

Here are the changes:

Recent changes in maps in two Pakistan-related articles

WP article name (and diff) // Caption	Page/maps before edits	Page/maps after edits
Princely states of Pakistan (diff)	article before edits	article after edits
The princely states of 1947 in purple.
Bahawalpur
Former administrative units of Pakistan (diff)	article before edits	article after edits
Map of Pakistan with Former administrative units of Pakistan highlighted
Federal Capital Territory
Map of one unit of Pakistan in 1955
Map of new provinces of Pakistan in 1970

As I am not a member of this project and only occasionally contribute to articles under WP:PAK, I cannot speak for the project. But I am familiar enough to know that these changes should be reviewed and are subject to consensus. YBG (talk) 06:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the maps were made in good faith, but very clearly violate WP:NPOV – generally, if you see the word "occupied" used to refer to either country's controlled areas of Kashmir, that's a very clear sign (tellingly, people who use that term invariably only use it for one of the sides, never for both). Added bonus for also tossing in the word "illegally".
Now, the addition of a text box clarifying aspects of a map is usually not a bad idea. But it's problematic here: the text itself is not as neutral as it appears at first sight, and it goes into detail that doesn't help the purpose of the maps (it's not clear, for example, why the map should have paragraphs of text about the status of Kashmir, while not mentioning more obviously relevant facts, like what map projection was used or as of which year were Pakistan's internal administrative boundaries correct). – Uanfala (talk) 13:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

IN REPLY TO Uanfala (talk)

1. Jammu and Kashmir dispute is one of the oldest internationally recognized disputes pending on the agenda of the United Nations Security Council.

2. ​United Nations has passed 18 Resolutions on the Jammu and Kashmir dispute, and until the final resolution of the issue under UN auspices, the region remains disputed.

3.​​It is entirely reasonable to expect that a map of this sensitive region should reflect the disputed status of the territory.

4.​​Even if the maps are for illustrative purpose, the objectivity and neutrality of the disputed regions cannot be overlooked. Hence, UN maps of the region of Jammu and Kashmir on Wikipedia should be used and reflect the position on Jammu and Kashmir which is supported by the UN Charter and applicable UNSC Resolutions.

5.​​Any unilateral publication and peddling of incorrect maps to depict Jammu and Kashmir as part of India is incorrect and against Wikipedia’s ethical code MuhammadWaleed83752 (talk) 13:45, 02 May 2021 (UTC)

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The two changed maps at Princely States of Pakistan shown above were reverted to their previous state on May 18 by Uanfala, but were restored on 6/11 in two (1 & 2) edits by MuhammadWaleed83752. Contrary to what this editor states above, these maps are obviously biased, do not conform to WP:NPOV, and emphasize information that is clearly off topic of the article involved.

A map which merely marked Kashmir as a 'disputed territory', I believe that would be acceptable, provided the marking was unobtrusive and did not detract from the primary subject matter, and expressed this status of the dispute in a NPOV manner. But a map which adds over 100 words of text to the map expressing a one-sided view to a territorial dispute is clearly not helpful. YBG (talk) 05:24, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Zhob Valley Railway

Any watcher who is knowledgeable about Zhob Valley Railway?

After trains ceased plying c. 1986 (and the proposed gauge-conversion hit hurdles), almost all mobile properties — from wagons to cranes to furnaces — were stolen in the span of a few years. This generated a fair deal of hullaballoo in local media and an official enquiry was "supposedly" launched by Pakistan Railways. I am looking for the conclusion-report of that enquiry, if it indeed took place and the report was made public. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi

How to access the following court orders:

1. the acceptance of conditional bail by some ATC (wrt 26/11) on 18 December 2014,
2. the rejection of bail by some High Court, after Govt. invoked PSA, on 19 December 2014,
3. the rejection of bail by Supreme Court on 7 January 2015,
4. the acceptance of conditional bail by some High Court on 9 January 2015, and
5. the conviction by some ATC (on prob. unrelated charges of terror financing) on 8 January 2021. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:23, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

1971 Pakistan-Bangladesh-India

Opinions are welcome at Talk:Pakistan/Archive 21#1971_war. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Siege of Malakand FAR

I have nominated Siege of Malakand for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm (talk) 06:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

RfC at Pakistan

Please participate in the RfC at Talk:Pakistan/Archive 21#RfC for map. Peter Ormond 💬 14:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Merge Requests

  You are invited to join the discussion about whether individual rulers of Turk Shahis and Nezak Huns deserve individual pages. Relevant links are:

• Discussion on Ghar Ilchi
• Discussion on Bo Fuzhun
• Discussion on Tegin Shah
• Discussion on Barha Tegin

Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 07:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

A relevant meta-discussion is in progress at this thread. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of Pakistani history (1947–present)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of Pakistani history (1947–present) Participate please. - Anjana Larka 08:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Minority languages in lede

Assalamu alaykum and good afternoon,

There is an ongoing dispute at several articles (e.g. Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Quetta) over whether to include placenames in local minority languages (Hindko, Balochi, etc.) where the spellings in these languages do not differ from the Urdu one. This has been brought to ANI (permalink) by one of the users involved, but as it seems to be primarily a content dispute (with some edit warring occurring as a result), the thread appears to be premature at this time. In my opinion, this issue is better discussed here.

Therefore, I would like to start a discussion for the following question:

Should placenames in languages be included in the lede for articles where:

1. The language is not the primary local language and/or the majority language of the province;
2. The language does not hold any official status in the province; AND
3. The spelling of the placename in the language does not differ from the Urdu spelling.

M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 17:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Support as OP: Pakistan is a highly diverse country in many aspects but, unlike India, has historically refused to grant official status of any sort to its local languages, with the "national language" being one that is, in fact, native to modern-day central India, so whether such status is present cannot reasonably be used as a criterion in including these languages in ledes. Provinces like KPK and Balochistan are by no means linguistically homogeneous, and to select only one language spoken in these places, and assign Urdu the same status, is effectively a refusal to recognise the significance of the minority populations which speak those languages that are not included in the lede. While the spelling may coincidentally be identical to Urdu in some cases, owing to how the Perso-Arabic abjad operates, it must still be kept in mind that they are separate words in separate languages; additionally, while Urdu, Punjabi, Saraiki, etc. are written in Nasta'liq, I believe Sindhi, Balochi, and Pashto use Naskh. Outside readers who are unfamiliar with Pakistan may also be misled into believing that there exist no other languages native to these places. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 17:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@M Imtiaz: I disagree with your statement slightly. There is a language section which includes a pie chart on Khyber Pakhtunkhwa#Demographics which represents the languages of KPK. Languages should definitely be mentioned in the lead, as it is done in many other Pakistani-city articles like Peshawar, but the matter here is that Hindko is being added unnecessarily here. There is no difference in the spelling, and just ends up cluttering the lead and infobox - hence why I belived that it was better to leave Hindko out in the lead. نعم البدل (talk) 19:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe it is necessary to include every single language spoken. If there is a difference in the spelling of the name, then it should be mentioned otherwise it need not to be mentioned since it would just clutter the introductions and infoboxes, like it has been done at Quetta and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. In KPK alone, there 20 languages spoken - it would be ridiculous having to mention them all. نعم البدل (talk) 20:03, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

I think the way it has been done so far on Khyber Pakhtunkhwa seems absolutely fine, "Urdu and Hindko: خیبر پختونخوا" is not 'cluttering up anything', per WP:NOTPAPER I see no reason not to include both. As long as there is no contention that the languages is spoken (non-trivially) in the place in question. JeffUK (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, so then my question would be, how may languages should be included then in the lead, because KPK has a lot of languages, Pashto, Hindko, Khowar, Kohistani, Kalasha, Wakhi - to name some of the significant ones? For the infobox, I would say it's better to only include the names instead of language + name, like it is done at Peshawar (without the {{nq}} style). نعم البدل (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

If the name is the same in all relevant languages, then I think it's best to just give that name without listing the languages, as is done at Multan. If there are several different names, then keeping them right at the start of the article's first sentence feels over the top: for most readers, that would be just unintelligible clutter that they'll have to skip in order to get to the part of the lede they can read. In such cases, it's probably best if all the names are only given in the "Names" section, and if there isn't one – at the end of the lede. – Uanfala (talk) 14:23, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

"If there are several different names, then keeping them right at the start of the article's first sentence feels over the top:" Do you have any example of articles that actually have this problem? JeffUK (talk) 16:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Peshawar in its current version is a prime example. – Uanfala (talk) 16:49, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with that, languages are really important to people and I don't think this seriously harms readability. JeffUK (talk) 21:27, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Kashmir delsort

I am currently aiming to finish setting up all the delsorts for the remaining states of India, as well as some of the more populated union territories. However, I am not sure if Indian-controlled Kashmir should be handled in the delsort system with the Pakistani- and Chinese-controlled parts, or if all the regions of Kashmir should be handled separately. More discussions at WT:DELSORT. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Temples at Multan

It will be appreciated if someone from Multan (or acquainted with the place) can comment at this thread. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I will also appreciate decent photographs of the site — interior and exterior — that can be uploaded to Commons. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

i am from Multan how may i help? Mulairi^{suggest/consult} 16:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Tourism in Pakistan Undue edits

Not sure how active this Project is however recently I have noticed an User adding large amounts of text about influencers on Tourism in Pakistan sourcing the vast majority of information from one article from the Guardian and placing it prominently at the article top section.

It smells of agenda driven editing and comparing it to every other Tourism article about other nations completely Undue and needs to be removed its an obvious way of painting a certain picture and pushing a view point . However considering influencers are invited the world over by many nations why is Pakistan being singled out? I am aware that Pakistan related articles have always been targets due to a large number of a particular type of editor dominating this website but you cannot just sit back and let them set their agenda here its time to take back a bit of control and balance out this Tourism article. VikrahmSeth1991 (talk) 07:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Will take a look. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Appreciate it just needs to be balanced like other articles and not give so much weight to one opinion. VikrahmSeth1991 (talk) 09:42, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

The OP is a CU confirmed sock of a banned user. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Union councils of Pakistan proposed for deletion

The article has been proposed for deletion due to multiple reasons. The article will be deleted after seven days if no action is taken. I got in touch with the proposer and he proposes that the article be moved to draftspace for improvement. Waiting for suggestions from the community. Regards. Pakieditor (talk) 19:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

RfC: A TikToker, ... , other accused constitute 'Public figure' or not?

Some of other related policies for current requested RfC discussion: WP:BLP, WP:SUSPECT, WP:BLPPUBLIC, WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE.

Requesting inputs about WP policies regarding, WP:BLP protocols and naming of the accused in relation to mentions of allegations and counter allegations in the given article, against a female victim of sexual assault, her associates and also other accused.

Requesting well studied, carefully thought inputs @ RfC: A TikToker, associates, other accused constitute 'Public figure' or not?

Thanks and warm regards Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 11:05, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

For those with access to the National Archives

I will be glad if someone can scan "Report of the Select Committee on Addition and or Re-distribution of Seats in the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan" presented before the third session of the First Constitutent Assembly on 18 May 1948 in light of the ongoing population flux. To the best of my information, the report was published in the contemporaneous issue of The Gazette of Pakistan. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 12:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Mahajir (Pakistan) on importance scale

I think the article Mahajir (Pakistan) should be raised to top-importance since Muhajirs are the 5th largest ethnic group of Pakistan and have had an important part in the history of Pakistan especially during Pakistan movement and the nation building years of Pakistan. Flamealpha123 (talk) 17:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Article move discussion Pakistani Taliban

Please participate in the article move request at Talk:Pakistani Taliban/Archive 2#Requested move 11 October 2022. 45.116.232.200 (talk) 18:11, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikimania 2023 : Singapore, 16-19 August

Wikimedians! You are highly encouraged to apply for travel scholarship for Wikimedia Movement's largest gathering, Wikimania 2023. Wikimania 2023 will happen in Singapore and online from 16-19 August, 2023. There is a pre-conference on the 15th and a post-conference on the 20th. It is back on Asia since Hong Kong in 2013. Application deadline is on 5 February 2023 at 23:59 AoE. Regular registration will happen around May 2023. --Exec8 (talk) Exec8 (talk) 07:42, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Requesting article expansion help in Pakistan economic crisis article

Already article 2022–2023 Pakistan economic crisis is not in good updated condition, moreover recently WP has been censored in Pakistan. The article seem to need article expansion help to keep adequately updated.

~~~~ Bookku (talk) 07:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Pakistan/Pakistani sources

Hi Wikipedians,

Like other countries, we are also in need of establishing a "project page" regarding reliable and unreliable sources for Pakistan-related topics. I have created a page for the purpose. Please, contribute and share your opinions and assessments on the talk page:

Thanks to all. Insight 3 (talk) 14:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Naming conventions of constituencies

Your attention need at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistani politics. Ameen Akbar (talk) 13:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Suman Pawan Bodani

There seems to be confusion over her name as some newspapers give her name as Suman Kumari. Which name should she have? GrahamHardy (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

2016 Indian Line of Control strike

This article is about refuted claim of a surgical strike but that should be mentioned in the first paragraph of the lead just like 2019 Balakot airstrikes does.

Kindly join the discussion at Talk:2016 Indian Line of Control strike#Authenticity to help establish consensus. Editorkamran (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

RFC over Naming Conventions of Pakistani constituencies

Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Pakistani politics has an RFC over Naming Conventions of Pakistani constituencies. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion and vote in survey, you are invited to add your vote/comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Muneebll (talk) 14:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Chitral District

A huge number of articles need to be updated after Chitral District was split into Upper and Lower Chitral District, even though that change happened in 2018. In particular, every subcategory of Category:Chitral District, and every template associated with Chitral District, needs to be split. See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_22#Category:Chitral_District. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri

Would anyone from this project like to take a look at Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri to assess notability? --Crosji (talk) 06:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Cable 1971

Cable 1971 do not seems to have any notability, with poor evidence for it's existence. Can someone from this project look at it to assess it. Pheeca93 (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Pakistan Alpine Institute

Hi there, I've tried to do some cleanup to this article Pakistan Alpine Institute, but I'm not finding any current reliable sources. I think it might be closed after the founders were killed in an accident. I am not sure, but this page is a frequent destination for vandalism. If there is someone associated with this project that could help figure out what is happening, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you Nayyn (talk) 15:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I fixed up the text. Hopefully now everyone is happy. Wikibear47 (talk) 17:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)