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01:25, 21 October 2024 review of submission by 98.116.99.122

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Hello - included some additional citations (Local News stations, Articles by third-parties, etc.) 98.116.99.122 (talk) 01:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not an advertisement board for a restaurant. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

02:29, 21 October 2024 review of submission by SandeHart

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Why is this concept and definition not allowed but Young Women's Leadership is? (This is only one example of a relative such title. SandeHart (talk) 02:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a really a valid argument. Wikipedia is not a platform to present new concepts or research. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's another aspect as well: appeals to action like We are all being called upon now to drop the confines of the old structures and reimaging how we move forward together, utilizing the very gifts our bodies and minds are entrusted with. do not belong in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia cannot tell people what to do, or even talk about what would be more or less beneficial, in its own voice. And most of the draft is written in that persuasive manner. --bonadea contributions talk 09:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention that this is, in a word, vanispamcruftisement. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I learnt a new word today! \o/ --bonadea contributions talk 10:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

11:41, 21 October 2024 review of submission by Michaelsweet01

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To add an inline citation do I put a URL for an external site between <ref> and </ref>? Will it create a number automatically? Michaelsweet01 (talk) 11:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Michaelsweet01: you should use one of the citation templates, in the case of online sources {{cite web}}, which formats the citation correctly. And yes, the system numbers the citations in the order they appear in the page source, and links them automatically to the correct footnote which will appear at the bottom of the page. You can find more general advice on referencing at WP:REFB. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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11:50, 21 October 2024 review of submission by Sun tzunar

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Dear Wikipedia Moderators,

I am writing to respectfully appeal the decision regarding the rejection of the article submission for Giovanni Pietro Barbano and to explain the relevance and importance of creating this entry in alignment with Wikipedia’s notability and relevance standards.

1. Current Role and Importance of the Mission: Giovanni Pietro Barbano currently serves as the Head of the European Union Rule of Law Mission in Kosovo (EULEX), which is the largest civilian mission ever deployed by the European Union under its Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP). EULEX plays a critical role in strengthening Kosovo’s justice system and rule of law institutions, which are vital components of its ongoing state-building efforts. The mission holds international strategic importance, as it is instrumental in maintaining regional stability in the Western Balkans, a priority area for EU foreign policy. Barbano’s position at the helm of EULEX grants him a highly influential role in European diplomacy, crisis management, and peace operations, which aligns with Wikipedia's guidelines on the notability of public figures in key international positions.

2. Precedent of Articles for EULEX Heads of Mission: It is important to note that the three previous Heads of Mission for EULEX—Lars-Gunnar Wigemark, Alexandra Papadopoulou, and Gabriele Meucci—all have articles on Wikipedia, largely due to the significance of this particular post. The role of the Head of Mission at EULEX is recognized as a highly notable position due to the mission's importance to both European Union foreign policy and international efforts to stabilize the Balkans region. As Barbano holds the same position, his article should logically follow the same precedent as his predecessors, particularly considering the ongoing relevance of EULEX in international security.

3. Distinguished Career and International Contributions: In addition to his current role, Barbano has over 40 years of service in law enforcement and international peacekeeping operations, including significant contributions to missions in Bosnia and Herzegovina and leadership in the European Gendarmerie Force (EUROGENDFOR). His leadership in key international engagements such as the Western European Union Police Mission and EUFOR ALTHEA demonstrates his long-standing commitment to international peace and security. His direct involvement in these high-profile missions supports his notability, particularly within the context of European and global peacekeeping efforts and had a direct influence on the development of stability policing and police peacekeeping doctrine..

4. Recognition and Honors: Barbano's career has been recognized with prestigious international honors, including the Legion of Merit (Officer Degree) awarded by the President of the United States, and the Knight Cross of the Military Order of Italy, the highest military decoration of the Italian Republic which endorsment alone would deserve a mention in Wikipedia. These recognitions underscore his exceptional service and contributions to international security, further validating his importance as a notable figure in both military and diplomatic circles.

5. Public Interest and Academic Relevance: Given the international scope of EULEX and the prominent role of Barbano, the creation of a Wikipedia article would contribute to public knowledge of EULEX’s operations, the challenges facing Kosovo’s justice system, and the broader context of European Union foreign and security policy. His biography is also of significant interest to researchers and students in international relations, peace studies, and security studies. Such articles are critical for enhancing public awareness of key individuals who play pivotal roles in shaping global security landscapes.

Conclusion: Considering his extensive contributions to international crisis management, leadership in peace operations, and current role as Head of EULEX, Giovanni Pietro Barbano clearly meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability as a public figure of international significance. His career and contributions should be available to the global audience as they provide valuable insight into European security operations and the promotion of rule of law in post-conflict regions. I kindly request that the decision be reconsidered and that his article be published in order to reflect the significance of his role and impact on international peacekeeping efforts.

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely, Sun Tzunar Sun tzunar (talk) 11:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

in addition to that. in order to provide further context on the significance of the subject in alignment with Wikipedia’s notability standards, I would like to address the sources cited in the article, demonstrating their reliability and relevance to the submission.
    • 1. Reputable and Independent Sources Cited:**
The submission draws on independent and reliable sources, including official documents from the European Union and other governmental organizations, to verify Giovanni Pietro Barbano's current role and career accomplishments. The following sources are highlighted in the article:
- **European Union Rule of Law Mission in Kosovo (EULEX):**
EULEX itself is a highly reputable source for confirming Barbano’s current position as the Head of Mission. Official EULEX websites and press releases are widely regarded as reliable, authoritative resources for factual information regarding the mission and its leadership. This includes Barbano's appointment by the EU Political and Security Committee on June 26, 2023, which is a verifiable and significant milestone in his career.
- **European Union Documentation (EEAS):**
The European External Action Service (EEAS) is the diplomatic arm of the EU and a primary source for information on EU missions, including EULEX. Their published materials and decisions on mission leadership provide the basis for validating Barbano’s official appointment and the strategic importance of his position in Kosovo. These are neutral, independently published documents that meet Wikipedia’s standards for reliability.
- **Italian Government and Defense Ministry Websites:**
Barbano’s long-standing military service, his leadership roles within the Carabinieri, and his recognition by the Italian government are well-documented by official publications and communications from the Italian Ministry of Defense. For instance, his receipt of the **Knight Cross of the Military Order of Italy** in 2022, awarded by the President of Italy, is verifiable through Italy’s official honors system, providing another highly credible source.
- **International Recognitions (e.g., Legion of Merit):**
Barbano’s receipt of the **Legion of Merit (Officer Degree)** from the President of the United States in 2019 can be confirmed via independent governmental sources and documentation from the U.S. government. This international honor is awarded to individuals who demonstrate exceptional service, and its citation in the article further underscores the global recognition of his contributions. This honor, awarded by an independent foreign government, strengthens the validity of Barbano’s notability.
    • 2. Importance of Precedent Set by Reliable Sources:**
It is also important to point out that the article is structured similarly to those of his predecessors, all of whom have Wikipedia entries largely based on their role as Head of EULEX. For example, **Lars-Gunnar Wigemark** (one of Barbano’s predecessors) has a Wikipedia entry that references similar sources: EULEX publications, EU decisions, and relevant press releases. The fact that these types of sources are already deemed acceptable for his predecessors demonstrates that the same types of sources for Barbano should also be considered reliable and independent for his article.
    • 3. Avoiding "Peacock" Terms:**
The sources quoted in the article focus strictly on factual, verifiable information from government and institutional reports. These sources avoid promotional language and focus solely on Barbano’s career milestones, international recognitions, and current responsibilities. The use of reputable, neutral sources like EU and government documentation ensures that the article adheres to Wikipedia’s guidelines for neutrality and objectivity, avoiding any language that could be considered biased or promotional.
    • 4. Public Interest and Academic Relevance:**
Given the geopolitical importance of the EULEX mission and Barbano's leadership, the availability of a Wikipedia article based on these independent, verifiable sources would serve the public interest by providing access to accurate and reliable information about a key figure in European and international security operations. Scholars, researchers, and the general public interested in EU missions and peacekeeping operations would benefit from an authoritative entry, grounded in credible sources, that explains his role and contributions.
    • Conclusion:**
The article on Giovanni Pietro Barbano is backed by a range of independent and reliable sources, including official EU, Italian, and U.S. government publications. These sources meet Wikipedia’s standards for verifiability and neutrality. Additionally, given the precedent of his three predecessors having Wikipedia entries based on their leadership of EULEX, Barbano’s article similarly warrants inclusion. I kindly request that the decision be reconsidered based on the reliable sources cited and the notability of the subject. Sun tzunar (talk) 11:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sun tzunar: I will admit straight off the bat that I haven't read your massive wall of text. The reason being, the draft cites primary sources only, which do not establish notability per WP:GNG. It was therefore correctly declined. That is pretty much the long and the short of it, I'm afraid. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sun tzunar Thank you for your long treatise. Rather, thank you for both your long treatises. However, may I commend brevity to you, please?
The nub of the issue that you have not presented the subject as notable, nor have you verified with references any notability. That is a little Catch 22, since you can't say what is not referenced and you can't reference what is not said.
Without stated and verified notability in a WIkipedia sense the subject is a WP:ROTM senior law officer. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 12:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you write this using ChatGPT? The style is very similar, and seems to rely more on vague notions of valuable insight and Wikipedia's criteria for notability as a public figure of international significance, instead of our actual policies and guidelines ("public figure of international significance" is not a criterion for notability, we want in-depth secondary coverage in independent sources).
Also, we don't have "moderators", users reviewing AfC articles and giving advice are volunteers rather than any kind of higher-ups. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, I fail to grasp your point, especially considering the countless articles on Wikipedia concerning public officials, military personnel, senior law enforcement officials, etc., whose notability and relevance are solely based on the positions they have held throughout their own careers. In this case, we are dealing with a political appointment by an international body (the European Union's PSC), which makes this figure unquestionably notable.
As for the issue of sources, what could be more referenced than the official appointment document from the PSC published on the mission's official website? Sun tzunar (talk) 14:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia articles are based on what reliable independent sources say, an " official appointment document" is a primary source and of little use here. Also see other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 14:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sun tzunar The problem you face is simple. Put plain, you want the article? Then you work with the rules. So please make the effort to grasp the point, which is non negotiable.
Or, I suppose, you could argue. Please don't do that. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 18:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm replying just to thank you for your response and to reassure that I absolutely want to adhere to the rules, as my goal is to contribute meaningful articles also on broader topics related to peacekeeping institutions and prominent figures who are shaping doctrinal and operational development. However, I’m still struggling to fully understand what exactly is needed to establish notability in practical terms. If I look at similar articles present on Wikipedia, I can see little or no difference with the references I provided. So, I would really appreciate further advice on how to best meet these criteria, as I hope to add more valuable contributions in the future.
Best regards Sun tzunar (talk) 14:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sun tzunar: do not look to other articles to model yours on; unless they are rated good articles, they may have various shortcomings, which you won't want to replicate.
To establish notability, you must base your draft on sources which meet the WP:GNG notability guideline; this applies to virtually every article. Find a few (3-5) such sources, and summarise what they say, citing each source against the information it has provided. It's that 'simple' (which means, it's not simple at all, but it can be described in such simple terms). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:11, 21 October 2024 review of submission by 98.116.99.122

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Hello, this article has been changed to meet Wikipedia standards. thank you! 98.116.99.122 (talk) 15:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP editor. I am still not seeing the notability here, but pinging in the rejecting review @S0091 Qcne (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TikTok is not a reliable source so should not be used, Resy was written by the the restaurant and for booking reservations so not reliable thus should not be used, their website is not useful, another is a press release and one is a local news station. Business Insider is ok but that's not enough to meet notability so the rejection stands. S0091 (talk) 16:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:09, 21 October 2024 review of submission by Elisa Polea

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Hello everyone, I previously had a draft about Iker Unzu rejected, with the reasoning that the topic wasn’t sufficiently notable. That was a few months ago, and since then, Unzu has hosted the YouTube Works Awards 2024 alongside YouTube's Vice President Pedro Pina in Madrid. He was also awarded the Diamond Play Button in a ceremony during the event.

In addition, Unzu has a significant social media presence, with over 30 million followers globally, ranking as the 30th most subscribed YouTuber in Spain and the 18th most followed creator on TikTok.

I would like to understand why this isn't considered sufficient for notability, especially given that other articles have less recognition and fewer trustworthy sources. Could anyone provide advice on how to improve the submission to meet Wikipedia’s standards?

Thank you so much in advance for your help. Elisa Polea (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elisa Polea: first off, just to say that I have not reviewed this draft, I'm only commenting on what you say. Social media metrics, awards (other than perhaps those of the very highest order), etc. do not make anyone notable. They may generate media coverage, such that this makes the person notable, but that's an indirect causality.
As for other articles that may exist out there (on which point, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), we don't assess drafts by comparison to existing articles, but by reference to the prevailing policies and guidelines. Any number of problematic articles exist among the nearly 7m in the English-language Wikipedia, but this does not mean we should create more such problems. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:40, 21 October 2024 review of submission by Manjirouchacer

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They told me that it isn't a notable topic but if you search Tsotello's name on the internet, he shows up everytime, even with pictures. I understand at the time I made this page, he wasn't as popular, but currently he is a topic on Google, Bing and wherever. Manjirouchacer (talk) 16:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which means nothing. Sources are king, and your sources are completely worthless - three are broken and the last is IMDb, which we can't cite. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:55, 21 October 2024 review of submission by Wishpoduct

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How i can write a biography of a person? Wishpoduct (talk) 16:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wishpoduct by very carefully reading WP:Biographies_of_living_persons. If you wanted to try and create another draft about yourself: don't. You are not notable and do not merit a Wikipedia article. Please see the messages I left on your User Talk Page. Qcne (talk) 16:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft deleted per WP:CSD#G11 and user blocked. --Kinu t/c 16:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17:12, 21 October 2024 review of submission by Lipovci

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What to add under refrences? Like where is information from or something? Lipovci (talk) 17:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lipovci: See Help:Referencing for beginners. I would also suggest that the best sources you're going to find are professional reviews of the vehicles from reputable publications. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17:56, 21 October 2024 review of submission by Breakfast007

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Can you pease comment, why the link to this historic house in Malden, MA was deleted?

https://w.wiki/Bc$m Breakfast007 (talk) 17:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was only deleted due to inactivity, you may request its restoration at WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Breakfast007: I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but just to say that your draft Draft:Cox-Haven House was deleted over a year ago, because it hadn't been edited for 6+ months. You still seem to have some related content in your sandbox User:Breakfast007/sandbox and on your user page User:Breakfast007. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18:25, 21 October 2024 review of submission by 88.97.133.226

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Why is the page not publishing 88.97.133.226 (talk) 18:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The draft has been rejected. It is completely unsourced and shows no indication of notability. 331dot (talk) 18:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:34, 21 October 2024 review of submission by Hanlo Benjamen

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How do I post this to the Afrikaans Wikipedia? 

Hanlo Benjamen (talk) 19:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hanlo Benjamen you'll have to copy and paste it. There's no mechanism for moving content from one language Wikipedia to another. Nthep (talk) 20:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:03, 21 October 2024 review of submission by UpWriteGhost

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Hi can you let me know when this article will be reviewed again? UpWriteGhost (talk) 20:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UpWriteGhost, it says right at the top of your draft that drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,227 pending submissions waiting for review. Is there some part of that which you do not understand? If reviewed now, your draft would be declined. You are using non-neutral language such as distinguished career in healthcare innovation and has played a pivotal role in developing technologies. You cannot cite praise like that to user submitted content and an interview with him. The biggest problem by far with your draft is that it completely lacks references to reliable sources that are totally independent of Debgupta and that devote significant coverage of Debgupta. The quality of your references is vastly more important than their quantity, and you have no high quality sources. Cullen328 (talk) 21:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid not. Nobody can tell you when it will get reviewed, because this will happen when one of the reviewers looks at it and decides to review it. It could be minutes or months.
Looking through the citations (not at the sources themselves) I doubt that many of them meet the triple requirement of reliability, independence, and significant coverage (see WP:42). Unless several sources meet those requirements, the article will not demonstrate that Debgupta meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and it will not be accepted. ColinFine (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:57, 21 October 2024 review of submission by 148.77.46.178

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Hello, I've revised and resubmitted the posting a few times and I need to know what I need to correct as I am not sure why it is not being accepted. Thanks! Coco 148.77.46.178 (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have not shown that this person meets WP:NACTOR or WP:NCREATIVE. 331dot (talk) 21:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

22:10, 21 October 2024 review of submission by 47.190.117.192

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This is a well-known podcaster whose page keeps getting rejected, largely due to a lack of evidence and poor sources around his early life and business claims.

At this stage, though, he is most notable as a media figure. Are his early life and career sections even worth including? There are plenty of mainstream news articles independently confirming details about his show, Youtube channel, and notable guests. 47.190.117.192 (talk) 22:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The draft will still be declined, given that you're relying on Youtube for FN13 and 14 (FN1, FN7 is WP:ABOUTSELF for sure)... Biographies missing "Career" sections can result in possible problems, since the critical lack of coverage would definitely screw the article over. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is needed and missing are references to reliable sources completely independent of Bet-David that devote significant coverage to Bet-David. Without such sources, the draft cannot possibly be accepted. Three excellent sources are vastly better than 20 mediocre sources. You have no excellent sources. Cullen328 (talk) 23:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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