Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 892

This is an archive of past discussions about Wikipedia:Teahouse. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current main page.

Archive 885

←

Archive 890

Shriver & Schwarzenegger

I noticed Maria Shriver’s page says “sep” in 2011 while Arnold Schwarzenegger’s says divorced. Not sure how to reconcile.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.188.42 (talk) 18:58, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. If you find a reliable source reporting that their divorce is final, then you can add that reference to both biographies and update her marital status. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, they were separated in July 2011 because that was the time Shriver filed for divorce. The Schwarzenegger page cited the divorce was finalized in 2017 according to a provided source. Interestingly, there are other sources such as this 2018 TMZ article that claims the divorce proceeding is still ongoing. Darwin Naz (talk) 03:22, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Why my article is not being published?

I have created an article naming Visual-CFD, the article represents the usefulness of it in leaning OpenFOAM for new/experienced users. This gives learning faster to educate people on opensource market availablility. OpenFOAM is the opensource solver developed in community to educate new comers on CFD concepts. Visual-CFD helps in understanding OpenFOAM/CFD as it has no user interface. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srp1220 (talk • contribs) 05:50, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Srp1220. The draft in question is Draft:Visual-CFD. Your draft is overtly promotional and fails to show that the company meets our notability guideline for companies. As a matter of fact, your question here is promotional. Wikipedia is not a promotional platform. It is a neutral encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Srp1220 Drafts don't automatically become articles; they have to be WP:MOVED from the draft namespace to the article namespace. You can move the draft yourself if you like if you believe it's ready to be upgraded as an article; however, as I suggested on your user talk page yesterday, I think it would be better for you to submit Draft:Visual-CFD for review via Wikipedia:Articles for creation since it's your first attempt at writing an article.

Technically anybody can edit any Wikipedia page (even a draft), but most experienced editors will leave a draft alone as a courtesy to its creator unless there is a serious policy/guideline problem which needs addressing; things change, however, once a draft has been added to the article namespace and any inappropriate content, etc. will often be quickly removed or the article itself even nominated/tagged for deletion if someone feels there are serious problems that are too difficult to overcome. By submitting your draft for AfC review, you will give an AfC reviewer a chance to look it over. If there are no major issues which need addressing, the reviewer will approve the draft and move it to the article namespace; if there are problems which need attention, the reviewer will identify them and offer suggestions on what you can do to fix them. You then can re-submit the draft for another review when you feel you've fixed everything. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:13, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

finalise page and feedback

Hello, I need to finalize and move Draft:wajid Shaikh (Poet) into main space. Can someone review and give me feedback? — Preceding unsigned — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanvibhansal (talk • contribs) 05:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

The draft has no references to published reliable sources to demonstrate the notability of the subject in Wikipedia's terms (specifically at WP:Notability (people)). Please read the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

problem with editing the same article in two different language Wikipedias

I updated the page "Philharmonia Zurich" by adding new content to the section "Philharmonia Records". I did the same in the German version of the article, but the changes don't appear there anymore. Why is that? Anyone can help? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msviolin (talk • contribs) 23:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Msviolin. Your edits to de:Philharmonia Zürich are marked "Sichtung ausstehend" (see the history here). I think this is equivalent to WP:pending changes: see de:WP:Gesichtete Versionen. --ColinFine (talk) 00:07, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it is. De-wiki, unlike here, is using flagged revisions for all edits not made by reviewers, so any edits will need to be reviewed before they are published. Regards So Why 08:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Msviolin. Although the various language Wikipedias are technically all part of the same "family", it's better to think of them as being separate and independent of each other. Each project has its own policies and guidelines established by its respective community. Some of these policies and guidelines may be similar across the various Wikipedias, but there might be also some which are quite different. An article in German Wikipedia and an article in English Wikipedia about the same subject might therefore be different simply because of this. You may have to discuss the changes you would like to make to the German article on that article's talk page and try to estblish a consensus in favor of making them based upon relevant German Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You might also want to look at WP:TRANSLATE as well since copying-and-pasting content from one language Wikipedia to another might need to be attributed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Please can someone edit a page for me?

Hi there,

We own and operate the brand Hedkandi via Ministry of Sound in London. Our company name is Coalition Agency for proof. The title of the 'Hedkandi' page is incorrect, currently spelt 'Hed Kandi'. As i don't have an account with enough power to do this.

Thank you, Robbie Coalition Agency — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.166.98 (talk) 13:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Done. However, I have to query notability; when checking that WP:COMMONNAME did not apply, I did a search for the entity and found no references from a notable source. Would you happen to know of any news articles or other sources that would establish the notability of your brand?

For the purpose of other Teahouse readers, I myself am quite new here and hope I have not overstepped my making this move; I thought in this relative clear case it was better to follow WP:BOLD. If I was wrong, my apologies, and please let me know.

NoCOBOL (talk) 13:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

MY HUMBLE REQUEST.I AM BEING RAGGED IN MY SCHOOL.SHOW THEM THE TRUTH,

edit list of highest grossing indian films. hebbuli a kannada movie has grossed 100 crores.i have 3 very very reliable source.i have seen the very same website used as a source in wiki. ttps://www.thenewsminute.com/article/hebbuli-s-huge-success-amala-paul-gets-tag-rs-100-crore-actor-61504 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross gellersq (talk • contribs) 13:46, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Let's see the sources and we'll think about it. Britmax (talk) 14:12, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of my user page

I am a new user on wikipedia. i just post my about user page using my full name, job, qoute and picture. and in less than 24 hours it was deleted. i still do not understand the reason for that as i abide by all the rules specified. i thought since its an about page. i don't need references and my it was very concise (less than 100 words). no specific reason for the "speedy deletion was provided" i was told the review the guidelines which obviously i am used to. since i have been editing posts on wikiversity. i dont know.. please i need a speedy answer. thnaks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laamiido (talk • contribs) 14:07, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@Laamiido: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your user page is not meant to be a social media or resume type page where you describe your life and career. It is meant as a place to introduce yourself to the Wikipedia community in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use. Please see WP:USERPAGE for information on what is acceptable and not acceptable for user pages. 331dot (talk) 14:24, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

question about editing score tables

Hi!
Could you give me an advice how to create and editing score tables?
I did try doing it manualy on chess wikipedia site, but maybe there is a way to convert a table from excel or to use some other tool?
I'd really appreciate your help.
Eltrynix (talk) 21:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello Eltrynix. Welcome, and thank you for your Teahouse question. I can't offer you any quick and easy answers, I'm afraid. I do note that you are a very new user and I also note that the page you tried to edit (Tata Steel Chess Tournament) would have scared me away from trying to edit it! Tables - especially these very complex ones - can be very challenging to edit correctly. Should you ever make a mistake in doing so, just 'revert' your own edits by going to the Tab labelled 'View History' and click 'undo' against the topmost row, which will probably be yours. A good tip is to try copying the source code for the relevant table into your own personal 'Sandbox' (look for the link at the very top of the page near your username) and testing it there first, before pasting the working updated version back in.

Now, we do have lots of help and guidance on editing tables, but they do require careful reading. See Help:Table and Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1.

But, to answer your specific question, yes, there is indeed a way to create new tables from Excel. I did just that with this complex wikilinked table, ensuring it was tested and corrected multiple times in my sandbox first. We do also have a tool called 'Excel2Wiki' which you can find here, which allows you to convert a spreadsheet into markup for Wikipedia. I am really sorry I can't advise specifically on score tables for chess, as this is way outside my experience. Another option, of course, is simply to post links to reliable sources which show chess tournament results on the article's talk page (look for the tab right at the top of the article page), and maybe another experienced editor with an interest in that page can incorporate those results into the article. To that end I am going to 'ping' two editors who look to me to have edited chess result tables (@Icekolobok and Hrodvarsson:) and I hope they might be able to offer you the detailed support that we at the Teahouse probably can't. You have my very best wishes at the start of your own personal Wikipedia Adventure. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I will wait for advice from Icekolobok or Hrodvarsson. I need to mention that there is no mistake in my changes to the edited tables. I just did it in a very slowly way (by Visual Editor). For now there is no need to undo my job, until Icekolobok decide to do so. And I didn't want to do sb's work but I only saw there is no update until round 3 and 4, so I did it. Eltrynix (talk) 14:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Adding language to an article

Hi. I have translated an article called Ikigai into my native Armenian language, and I want to add the translation. How do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romen Tsaturyan (talk • contribs) 16:05, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

The advice is at WP:translate us. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:11, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

See above under "I need help undoing an editing mistake".

My apologies for making basic errors. I have read all the advice and will follow it. Thanks to those who sorted out my problem. I have deleted my previous account name as it was incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanaka1227 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

At your new User page, you should declare a conflict of interest or a paid relationship with Dwyer Brothers Stable if such exists. Or, if no such relationship exists, state that on your User page if you intend to continue to edit that article. David notMD (talk) 16:18, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Is colon a kind of a special symbol?

I made a wikfication of the phrase LA:DGLA ratio and it vanished. Is there something odd in the way the colon works in wikified phrases? What do I do about it? ---CopperKettle 16:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

la: is the prefix for the Latin Wikipedia, so LA:DGLA ratio is not a permitted article name on enwiki. See WP:NC-COLON. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CopperKettle (talk • contribs)

Hi CopperKettle, welcome to the Teahouse. Here are some more details. Colons are usally allowed but a wikilink with certain strings before a colon is interpreted as a link to another namespace, Wikipedia language, wiki or website. If it's a language code like la: (Latin) then the link may be placed under "Languages" in the left pane unless it is also prefixed by a colon. [[:LA:DGLA ratio]] produces LA:DGLA ratio which is a link to the non-existing page "DGLA ratio" in the Latin Wikipedia. See more at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Colons. Summary: If a colon doesn't work then don't use it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

About contesting a speedy deletion...

Hi. I got a question that i got on my mind when i was using the new page feed to check on new pages.

Here's the question:

Can the owner of a page contest their own article if it were speedy deleted?

Kudos, --TheWinRat (talk) 16:50, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Pages do not have owners. The creator of a page can contest a speedy deletion nomination, but must not remove a speedy deletion template from a pege which he/she has created. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Flash Crash explanation

Hi I'm not trying to use Wikipedia to expose a conspiracy. The explanations for The Flash Crash 2010 and all other flashes since then are not accurate. Each explanation talks about traders and other outside sources that cause flash crashes. The various explanations are not verifiable. They are all using Wikipedia by submitting their "research" that cannot be tested but because they are professors, work for SEC.etc. no one ever can challenge them. They have a conflict of interest. I don't. The professor that came over to my house years ago and stayed for 4 hours looking over the code, wouldn't talk to me again because he was the head of the computer programming department at a big college, with his expertise of pattern recognition, and he knew the code was right on but why risk his cushy professor position. I appreciate everyone helping me. Nick said I need verification.( I am the original source). The YouTube video TheFlashCrash.com shows a complete breakdown of the code. Please look at this material. You have to look at this documentation and then you will know I'm telling the truth. If you need help explaining the charts I'm available. The elites are in control of the media, universities and the SEC and all oversight committees. They tell us what is going on. We're supposed to look up to them because they're so much smarter. This is what I'm up against. The world is not flat. Give me a chance to prove my information is true. Is there a great numbers person who will take the time to look at what I have? Thank you again. I'm a nice, open-minded person.--Think about normal (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Then you need to take your theory and get it published in a reliable secondary source. GMG ^talk 19:35, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Think about normal, Can you actually link the video you mentioned? I cannot find it. And again, if you are posting it here before on a reliable source, then you are "trying to use Wikipedia to expose a conspiracy". If you don't have enough evidence to go to press, you don't have enough for here. sorry. WelpThatWorked (talk) 19:38, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

How to change name of subject

I just made a page for a first time about one famous Lawyer, but i am stuck with a name. How can i Change a name from Draft:Jeffery A. Perla to just Jeffery A. Perla.

Thank you for inviting me to your Teahouse. It is a pleasure to cooperate with you guys! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vojaz (talk • contribs) 19:59, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Your draft isn't fit to be moved to mainspace. It has no references to published reliable sources to demonstrate that he meets Wikipedia's criterion of notability. You need to read the advice at WP:Your first article and at WP:Notability (people). --David Biddulph (talk) 20:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Not to further rain on the parade of Draft:Jeffery A. Perla, but rather to save other helpful editors from duplicating my efforts, a quick Google search suggests the BLP wouldn't pass WP:GNG. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Pending submission help

Hey I submitted an article for review over a day ago and haven’t received any feedback - it’s normally a lot fast - so I’m just wondering if anyone can help? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradise lost 90 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

In the brown submission box it says: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 5 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1319 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 21:53, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Podcast interviews as references

Hello, I was just wondering: is it possible to use podcast interviews as references, and then link to the page that has the podcast in a reference in an article? Thank you! EomereofRohan (talk) 22:59, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

If they are reliably published (e.g. on the website of an organ which has a reputation for editorial control and fact checking), J.S. Clingman, then you can use them. {{cite podcast}} lists the parameters you should specify. However, please be aware that interviews with the subject of an article, or anybody associated with them, are non-independent sources, and may only be used in limited ways: see WP:PRIMARY. --ColinFine (talk) 23:56, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

How can I make a new page?

Hello! My name is SomeUniqueUsername and i'm new to Wikipedia editing. I was just wondering how I can make a new page, like a draft before going online. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomeUniqueUsername (talk • contribs) 2019-01-16T23:32:08 (UTC)

Hello, SomeUniqueUsername, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Creating a new page is one of the harder things to do on Wikipedia, and I always advise new users to spend a few weeks or months getting to know Wikipedia (and improving some of our existing six million articles!) before they try creating a new article. But when you want to see how to do it, Your first article has a great deal of useful information.

By the way, when you post on Talk pages, or project pages like this one (but not articles!) please sign your posting with four tildes (~~~~). I have added a signature to your question above. --ColinFine (talk) 00:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Is there an article on the history of the 'Mothers of the Disappeared'? If not, can their be collaboration efforts?

The UN promote Orange Day 'Violence Against Women'. However, in the country I am based (Papua New Guinea), we also celebrate 'Black Thursday'. Looking into this, I found it originated in the 1970s by groups such as 'Mothers of the Disappeared in Argentina'. We have a Wikipedia article on Bono's song 'Mothers of the Disappeared' but see no reference in that article to this group and atrocity where this 'Black Thursday' event stemmed from.

I am new to Wikipedia and was hoping if I could call on others to write on this or if there are people I could collaborate with to write this piece. I would like to mention how 'Black Thursday' is recognized in Papua New Guinea to signify that we are against the deaths and violence against women. Can this be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pnginitiator (talk • contribs) 01:14, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pnginitiator. We already have an article on this topic, Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo. We also have a list article Black Thursday which describes many events wordwide that have been described with that term. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:29, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Expand by translation templates and what they entail

I lately have expanded a few articles by translating text from their higher quality French version, and am confused about what "This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in French" really means. By that I mean, must the translated edit be purely text, or are images and statistics to be taken from the origin article (with attribution of course) Sadenar40000 (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sadenar40000. I think you may be reading more into the particular language used in the template than is intended. Its purpose is simply to flag that there's content at the foreign language article that may be useful. The choice of using the word "text" is not meant to imply any restriction on use of other parts. It's just that language translation is by its nature text-specific. In short, you may make use of any content from the other article as you deem appropriate, where feasible and where proper under our policies, guidelines and practices (and as you say, with attribution of course). Some issues that come to mind on this: images in use at foreign articles, if from the Commons, will be able to be used here natively, but if they are uploaded locally at the foreign language Wikipedia, using them here would require you to upload them locally here too. On this, note that our policies on fair use of images may be more restrictive than at other Wikipedias. Templates you find at foreign language article will rarely have the same name and may not even have an equivalent template here, so you may have to import it for use. (As an example, I have translated a number of French articles on birds, and when doing so I came across the wonderful template fr:Modèle:Chants d'oiseaux, which had no equivalent, so I imported it to {{birdsong}}.) By the way, since I will probably translate more French articles, can I hit you up for help if I'm having difficulty with parts? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

"116 MacDougal"

How do you begin to create a new Wikipedia page for a movie that is in pre-production? There are several press articles online about this and there is already a Wikipedia page about the subject of this movie. It is about The Gaslight Cafe in Greenwich Village. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gaslight_Cafe I really appreciate any help that anyone can provide me about this creation.

Lynda B Schneider, Executive Producer — Preceding unsigned comment added by LyndaBSchneider (talk • contribs) 23:32, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, LyndaBSChneider. As I just said to the new editor who asked just above, creating a new article is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia, and I don't recommend it for new editors. To create a new article about a subject you are closely connected with is several degrees harder, because of the difficulty of achieving a properly neutral point of view. I strongly advise you not to try this: Promotion of any kind is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia, and I am far from the only editor who regards an article about your film as basically none of your business.

Nevertheless, editing with a conflict of interest, such as you have, is discouraged but not forbidden. If you want to go ahead with it, please start by reading PAID, and make the mandatory declaration; then study your first article, NFILM, TOOSOON, and Referencing for beginners before you start, and then start assemblng independent reliable sources. Remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what you say or want to say about the film (including in an interview or press release published by somebody else): it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the film have chosen to publish about it. If an article about it is accepted (whoever writes it) you will not have any ownership or control over the content of the article thereafter. --ColinFine (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello LyndaBSchneider. In addition to the useful information in ColinFine's answer above, please read our notability guideline for films, which says "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date." Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:39, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

How do I change the color of the words?

How do I change the color of the words? When I edit my talk page. Thanks, WIKI_BOI1015 WIKI BOI1015 (talk) 02:10, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, WIKI BOI1015, and welcome to the Teahouse! Changing the color of words in text requires a little bit of code, like so:

<span style="color:red">Red text</span>
produces the following: Red text

You can do this with whatever color (or hex code) you wish by copying this code and specifying your color choice in the span tag after color:.

Alternatively, you can use the template {{Font color}} (link to documentation with specific instructions) and specify the color after the first pipe, which may be slightly more user friendly.

Happy editing! ComplexRational (talk) 02:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

This Topic is Contrary to the Purpose of Wikipedia

This declination notice is used quite often and then defended when questioned. When the Topic is a person, or some other legitimate subject, how is the Topic (a person) is Contrary to the Purpose of Wikipedia. Is an article on a person contrary to the purpose of wikipedia? The use of this template indicates yes. And when challenged, one is redirected to the Five Pillars. Let's look at the Five pillars then and see how a topic is contrary to the purpose of wikipedia.

1.Wikipedia is an encyclopedia
2.Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view
3.Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute
4.Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect and civility
5.Wikipedia has no firm rules

Now someone tell me how this article Draft:Benjamin Schnauis contrary to the purpose of wikipedia. And by the way it does not appear to violate pillar #2.So which of the pillars apply?

The purpose of wikiepedia is to serve as an online encylopedia. Now I agree that the article in draft leaves a lot to be desired, and I suspect that it is written by the subject himself (important word "suspect", not proven). But the Topic is contrary to the purpose of wikipedia? How is it contrary to the purpose of wikipedia to serve as an online encyclopedia?. That statement "contrary to the purpose of wikipedia" requires an explanation, and my reason is pillar number 4, which seems to be quite often ignored by admins who are quick to remind us of our faults. As a remedy I suggest that this template be removed, and more appropriate templates used. Were I skilled in graphic arts I would create one, but I am simply an old fart who does not know how to use a cellphone (truth).Oldperson (talk) 00:10, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Having now read the Draft (which I knew nothing about before stumbling over this query), my opinion, FWIW, is that it is largely Promotional in tone and content, and therefore falls foul of the First Pillar " . . . Wikipedia is not a soapbox, an advertising platform, . . . ."

It's promotional because it is mostly a list of things that the subject has done, but fails adequately to demonstrate why they make him notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article, by citing several independent Reliable sources that discuss him at some length. Mere inclusions in lists, whether of cast members or of awards received, do not contribute to Notability, and any online sources that are user-edited are not considered Reliable – yes, this includes Wikipedia itself!

I'm unable to assess the non-English sources used, but I presume that the two reviewers who have left their (four separate) assessments on the draft have done so. To be clear, I am not myself, in this response, making a full review of the article as they have, I'm merely clarifying my answer to your query – the draft in its present form is Promotional and fails to establish Notability. That said, I see no outstanding reason why, with better sources and a less promotional approach, it could not be made acceptable. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.217.251.247 (talk) 04:54, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I am here to learn how wikipedia works

Can we send messages to other users on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistyminds (talk • contribs) 05:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mistyminds. Wikipedia's not really intended to be a social media type of website, but you can post messages to others on their user talk page. Some editors may also have their email preferences set to recieve mail from others as well. If you want to find out more about how Wikipedia works, try taking Wikipedia:Adventure since that will teach you the basics of how to edit, etc. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Maintenance Tag Review - I want other editors to review my approval for some time

Hello This article has been approved and is marked as start-class and a maintenance tag was placed on this article by the wiki editor Millowent who approved the article in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushrut_Badhe Sushrut_Badhe

It was removed by a wikieditor when i invited editors to check but the placer replaced it again and suggested "I want other editors to review my approval for some time" as he/she wanted other editors to review the approval which i think is quite fair.

however, Some time has passed now, may i request other editors to review the same and decide mutually

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavankum (talk • contribs) 07:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Can someone revert the vandalism on this page?

Now before you say do it yourself, I can't really. I would have to manually revert edits and a bunch of other edits are also mixed in. An admin should also block the ip who vandalized. The page is right here. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homogeneity_and_heterogeneity&action=history If you can do something, then please do... WikiRay360 (talk) 06:06, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I have reverted back to what I think is the last good version. You could in fact have reverted yourself since the only constructive edits were fixes of sentences and words garbled by the vandalism - there has been no additions or other constructive changes, so the only thing that needed to be done was finding the pre-vandalism version and reverting to that. There are no tools for that, it has to be done "manually". :-) (well, the revert itself becomes slightly easier with Twinkle, but finding the right version is a manual process, and reverting to an old version without using tools is a simple undo of all the intervening edits.) Since the vandalism happened in early December, no admin would block the IPs (there were more than one) unless they have kept vandalising since then. Thanks again for bringing up this issue! --bonadea contributions talk 06:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi WikiRay360. Your question implies that you think the process is something more labor intensive, so just in case you might not know, manually reverting is three clicks regardless of how many intervening edits are involved; you do not need to undo each intervening edit one-by-one (which became a common misunderstanding after the undo button was placed years back):

click on the date of the last good revision in the page history;
click edit this page; and
click publish changes.

Best regards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 09:02, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Accuracy debate

Why do so many people underestimate Wikipedia as a reliable source? I've been using the English online edition for the last 11 years and I've noticed it is quiet possibly the most accurate and largest encyclopedia ever created in all of human history, plus it always is up to date almost to the very minute new information about an article is released on the Internet.

Stephengonzalez100 (talk) 08:30, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

As you know, it is easy for anybody to change the information in almost any Wikipedia article. You reverted your own changes when you added incorrect info, but not everybody does that. --bonadea contributions talk 09:39, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Of course I don't know the people you are thinking of, but WP, while great for a lot of things, has clear limits on it's reliability. For example, someone could just change Obama's termstart on a whim, and such a change may be unnoticed for a long time. More at Reliability of Wikipedia, Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia and Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia. That said, IMO WP gets it fairly right surprisingly often. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

First Division

I want some information regarding the old English football (soccer) top tier , the First Division . Is there any place in W.P where I can go for this ? 005X (talk) 08:38, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

You could start at Football League First Division. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:44, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I want a list of most goals scored , most appearances , most successful players , most suc.s. teams , most matches managed , most successful manager and most matches captained , top five of all but top two of the last . After all , Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia , so it ought to store at least this much of records . 005X (talk) 10:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps it should. If it doesn't at the moment, and it appears it doesn't, perhaps you can add it, with suitable references? --NoCOBOL (talk) 10:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't have the list , but I need it for a school project; so I asked Wikipedia if it has these records .005X (talk) 10:46, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

an English actor vs a British actor

Hi there, I'm struggling to find a section of the style guide I remember reading on listing people as "British" or "Scotish/English/Welsh" etc. I think I might have found my way to it through a Welsh poet, or someone who was "Canadian born but identified as British" or some such, but I've had no luck searching through the help pages. The reason this came up is because there seems to be a bit of an edit war on Idris Elba, where he is alternating between "an English actor" and "a British actor". I wasn't planning on getting involved, but was trying to remember what the usual approach was. Kind Regards, Mcstove (talk) 11:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

hello! moving from sandbox to article, in order make my BLP article visible in wikipedia and also google.

Dear Madam/Sir

Hope you are having blast , wishing you a year full happiness and improvement ahead

Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Bardia I am a pianist and Strategic planner in IT Networking, recently I have decided to perform internationally in, therefore I have thought above augmenting my Personal Portfolio in order to apply and request for performing as duet or ensemble playing along with international artists. thus, I have started to create my own BLP Wikipedia in English which is already done as well as in To be created in French and Persian. But I am have been struggling to move my own BLP to be an article in Wikipedia and also i have issues to make it visible in google while you search, even though, I have red in some blogs that in order to make your page as an article in Wikipedia, it is obligation of waiting for 4 day after creation of Wikipedia user such as me it has been two days I have joined Wikipedia community>

I would be glad if anyone you all creative and kind editor would help me in this matter?

yours sincerely

Bardia Sadrenoori — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Bardia Sadrenoori (talk • contribs) 10:44, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Dear Dr. Bardia Sadrenoori, welcome to the Teahouse. You might like to read WP:Autobiography if you have not already done so. Your draft autobiography needs WP:reliable sources to establish WP:notability. I'm unable to help with this because I can't read Farsi. Use of self-published websites are not useful in establishing notability. At present, the draft reads like a translation, and needs editing into standard English. We can help with this once notability is established. Please note that Wikipedia may not be used to augment your personal profile. An article about you will never belong to you, and should contain only what is already published about you in the sources. Best wishes. Dbfirs 11:48, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Dear Dbfirs 11:48, 17 January 2019 (UTC), I have to appreciate your concern and my apology if there was an amateur error towards Wikipedia's terms and conditions. As i am new in this field of creating Biography of living person, I have already knew i might make some errors however i would there would be Wikibots to cure us. Yes indeed our Public Relations have done all my interviews and citations in Farsi during last 20 years of my career in both being Pianist and Strategic planner in IT although I am on m way to do few interviews in europe in order to contributes some of Piano concertos in hamburg opera or paris opera garnier. i have a question to you user Dbfirs, what if i start my wikipedia in farsi i order to augment my datas in wikidata?? I would be gald if you help me in this matter. sincerely yours Bardia Sadrenoori — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Bardia Sadrenoori (talk • contribs)

Review on Draft:Eclipse Theia

Hey, I just wrote my first article about Eclipse Theia. After submitting it I got the feedback, that it sounds more like an advertisement than a neutral entry. Afterwards I fixed some wording. Before I resubmit I would be very thankful if one of you could look over it. Maybe you come up with other aspects I can improve. I really want to contribute to Wikipedia as an encyclopedia and not use it as an advertising platform. I believe the article topic has common interest and will gain even more interest as the technology is implemented by further popular companies. Thanks in advance ChristinFrohne (talk) 07:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

From your Talk, looks like second article, first also Speedy deleted. At Draft:Eclipse Theia most of the references are to Eclipse sites and blogs and interviews. If all that content removed, is there enough left based on independent published content to create this article? If not, then too soon. David notMD (talk) 14:12, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Your User pages identifies a PAID relationship with Typefox. As Eclipse Theia is a creation of Typefox, I suggest you add a second PAID statement. David notMD (talk) 14:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Would like to appear on a couple of watchlists

Hi all,

I've giving the luton page an overhaul. It's been some years since anyone seriously looked at it and it's got a set of problems. I'm working thought them but as I'm fairly inexperienced I could really do with some more experienced editors having the page on their watchlist in case I'm doing something systematically wrong. Is it possible for that to happen? Joe (talk) 14:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

From a quick look, the article gets 15-20,000 views a month, and has a goodly number of watchers. I would expect that you would get pushback from knowledgeable people if in teir opinon, your cuts are going too far. That said, do more. Demographics by race and religion do not need both a table and a pie chart. Merge single-sentence paragraphs. Shorter IS better. David notMD (talk) 15:28, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! (TIL how to see how many watchers there are - although I suspect that many are inactive...)

Doubt on page publication

Hi,

one month ago I've followed the procedure to publish a not yet existing page "3D-CMCC-CNR Model". Now, if I write "3D-CMCC-CNR Model" in the Wikipedia search bar, I can see "Draft:3D-CMCC-CNR Model" in the search results. How can I make sure to have followed the procedure correctly and that it is only necessary to wait for the page publication?

Page URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:3D-CMCC-CNR_Model

Thanks for the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3d-cmcc-cnr (talk • contribs) 14:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi 3d-cmcc-cnr, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure that your user name should be the same as the article name, but I assume that it represents yourself as an individual, not a company. You might like to read WP:Referencing for beginners, and format your references correctly with page numbers, removing the numbered list with #s. I'm not familiar with the subject, so I cannot judge whether it will be accepted as an article, but when you have corrected the reference format and you think it is ready to be assessed, put {{subst:submit}} at the top of your draft (include the curly brackets). Dbfirs 16:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Question about WP:AIV

I wanted to ask a question on about WP:AIV...

Can you report users due to their actions on their created pages?

Kudos, TheWinRat (talk) 16:45, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey TheWinRat. You can report anyone to AIV for overt vandalism. However, you should review guidance at Wikipedia:Vandalism, since "vandalism" has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia, and doesn't include most disagreements and disputes. GMG ^talk 17:04, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Trying to edit a page i made years ago on a different account

Every time i try to re edit/delete any historical inaccuracies and uncited sources that i made up when i was younger to embellish my family's wikipedia page. My accurate edits are being deleted and anything i removed is being restored please allow me to edit that page to rectify any mistakes i made in september 2012 as the content is quite embarrassing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_de_Burgh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrismay26 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Chrismay26: You need to cite some professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that support your claim. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:36, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

OTOH, the content they are removed is unsourced and seems somewhat fanciful/dubious to me.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: but the content i am trying to remove is unsourced infact the whole page is really

Please note that there is a citation in the bottom of the page: "C. A. Empey, ‘Burgh, William de (d. 1206)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online edn, Oxford University Press, Sept 2004". ᴀɴᴏɴʏᴍᴜᴤᴤ ᴜᴤᴇʀ (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 15:56, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Which is used to cite only the lead sentence, and as it is The English Dictionary of Biography article for that one member of the family, is unlikely to contain the more fanciful details about "blood of a slain Saracen king" and coats of arms etc. etc..not even the Nineteenth C version on wikisource does that. [1]. So yeah, the article is pretty much unsourced. I have a feeling it would be notable though- certainly individual members of it were. Curdle (talk) 17:30, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

oops should have gone one back- [2] is the family house. Still none of the other stuff though. Curdle (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

And that seems to have been copypasted into the Wikipedia article House of Burke the Irish branch of the family. So, unless you wanted to work on the De Burgh article, perhaps just redirect to House of Burke? According to the national biography article, the English branch fell from influence fairly early,after the death of Hubert De Burgh, and the majority of notable members were Irish after that. Curdle (talk) 18:10, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Name not showing up on Wikipedia search

I have already created a page and have uploaded the information, but still the name is not showing in Wikipedia search. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aakash Ghoshal (AG) (talk • contribs) 19:18, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

You have not written an article. You have written an unreferenced draft, and put inappropriate information on your user page. The purpose of a userpage can be seen at WP:user pages, and see also the advice against trying to write an autobiography. David Biddulph (talk) 19:24, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Finding draft

how do I access a draft I worked on earlier? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fish are good (talk • contribs) 19:36, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

You'll find your contributions at Special:Contributions/Fish are good. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Questions about my article

hey. i tried to publish an article and it was rejected, what do i need to do to get it to be accepted — Preceding unsigned comment added by MansaMusaRw (talk • contribs)

Hello MansaMusaRw, according to the deletion log Draft:Economic Policy Research Network was deleted for being unambiguously promotional. Wikipedia articles must be written from a neutral point of view. If you have a conflict of interest with regard to the subject, that may be impossible for you. —teb728 t c 12:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi MansaMusaRw. As is so common with pages deleted for being promotional, the draft you posted was also a copyright violation (of the content here). You cannot post previously written, non-free content anywhere on Wikipedia (outside of fair use of short quotations, marked as such using quote marks [or by setoff], cited to the source of copying using an inline citation). Previously written text can be donated, if a person has the authority to do so, but this is often a waste of time because content written for an organization's website is rarely suitable for pasting here, at least without significant modification.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

One thing to remember, MansaMusaRw, is that in a Wikipedia article about the EPRC, Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything said by the EPRN, or its employees, members, or associates (including things such as interviews and press releases, where others have published them, but the content comes from the EPRN). Such an article should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with the EPRN have chosen to publish about it, in reliable places. --ColinFine (talk) 22:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

What gives?

I am creating profiles based on media coverage in Zambia. http;//wire.mpelembe.net is currently linked to wikipedia via reuters articles. Everytime I try to create a page on wikipedia I get the same message about lack of of reliable sources. For instance Salma Sky and Petita Mwanza pages are forced into draft when there is a lot media coverage about. What gives? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smbale04 (talk • contribs) 02:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

In the first place, some of the "profiles" you have been submitting are far too short to qualify even as what we call "Stubs", and there is nothing in their texts as written to demonstrate their subjects' Notability.

In the second place, you have not correctly Cited your references, but have instead provided a series of external links. Please read Wikipedia:Citation for beginners. It may be that some of those external links are to appropriate sources that do demonstrate your subjects' notability, but that is not sufficient, you need to paraphrase (and/or include short quotes of) what they say in the article and provide in-line citations to the sources to corroborate what you have written.

In the third place, at least two or three of your citations for each subject need to be to published, independent Reliable sources that discuss the subject at some length, which means at least two or three substantial paragraphs specifically about the subject. Mere mentions in passing or inclusions in lists do not count towards notability. "Independent" means that interviews with the subject, or press releases and other publicity material issued on their behalf, also do not count towards notability, even if published in a reliable source.

Please also note that Wikipedia does not host "profiles", a term which implies a social media site open to self-listing by anyone at all. Instead it is an Encyclopedia that contains articles about subjects sufficiently notable as to merit inclusion. Since local meanings of English words can vary from place to place, I will not make a big issue of this, but you should avoid using the term "profile" on Wikipedia, as it automatically raises suspicion that you are trying to promote the subjects, which is completely opposed to Wikipedia's fundamental aims: please read Wikipedia:Five pillars. I hope you find this advice helpful. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.217.251.247 (talk) 00:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Writing an article

I've written an article in my Sandbox and it is complete. I added a comment to my Sandbox's Talk page as well. What now? The "Create a new article or upload media" section on the Help page does not say what happens next. I'm stuck. I want my article published. Little help, please! Marktemplin (talk) 18:44, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Marktemplin. There are two ways you can get it into main space. If you are confident that it meets the minimum requirements for a Wikipedia article, you can simply WP:MOVE it - except that you will not have access to that function until your account is autoconfirmed, which will happen once you have made ten edits (and your account is four days old, but it's nearly 3000 days old, so that's not a problem). So far you have made only three edits, so you will need to make another seven, anywhere in English Wikipedia. Alternatively, you can ask for it to be reviewed, by inserting {{subst:submit}} at the top. A reviewing editor will get to it in time, and either accept it, and move it to main space, or decline it, and tell you why. You can improve it while it is waiting for review.

I'm quite bemused that you have created what is for the most part a quality article, as your very first edit. Clearly you prepared it outside Wikipedia, but you evidently know how to format references.

I do have some reservations though (which a reviewer would no doubt pick up on). First, most of your references are not independent of the subject. I think there are probably enough references which are independent to establish notability, but generally, if information is available only from non-independent sources, it shouldn't be in the article, unless it is very simple uncontroversial facts like dates and places. Secondly, some of the wording is not neutral. No Wikipedia article should ever describe anything at all in Wikipedia's voice in evaluative terms such as "rich history" or "innovative" (though it could quote an independent source that used such terms); and claims that anything is the "first" or "longest-running" must have been made by a reliable published source wholly independent of the subject.

Some administrative points as well: we do not use "®" in articles. And a number of words and phrases should be wikilinked.

One last point: forgive me if I am overly suspicious, but do you have some connection with the ASL or some of the companies or people mentioned? If so, it is important that you read about conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

If you put {{subst:submit}} on the top of the draft you can put it through WP:AFC - Articles for Creation. Curdle (talk) 22:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. Thank you for the exhaustive explanation! I really appreciate your attention to detail and suggestions about making my first article better. I will definitely make the changes you suggest, particularly in areas where self-published content (mostly on YouTube and a blog, as I recall) is the only support for content and places where language is not in a neutral voice. To your question at the end, I have no affiliation with ASL (as explained in my first comment the Talk page). I made this mention because I read the manual on conflict of interest and others before writing the article. I took care to mention that I am a friend of the CEO, who happens to live in my neighborhood, frequents the cafe we both like and knows that I am a good writer (thank you for mentioning to that effect, by the way). I am not paid for my efforts and am not a member of the league. I will work on making additional edits, thank you for the reminder. Curdle, thank you for chiming in. Marktemplin (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Where can one discuss obtaining a consensus on a subject?

I checked Wikipedia:ConsensusProject and talk pages. My question is not appropriate there. So where? It arises out of a problem with the Emilia Clarke dust up over how to write her birth and location. Currently London, UK. The United Kingdom did not exist until May 1, 1707 and it currently includes England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Island. Many place names are repeated throughout the UK, take New Castle, England and New Castle Northern Ireland. If I were to simply say She was born in New Castle, UK what would I be talking about? How about saying someone was born in Paris, USA. Well there are many towns in America named Paris,Ilike Indiana, Illinois, Idaho, etc, so London, UK is not accurate, whereas London, England, UK is. To complicate things more there is the matter of Great Britain which is the island of England, Scotland and Wales. and then there are the British Overseas Territories not to mention the USA has it's ownOverseas Territories. There is even a San Juan, Puerto Rico and a San Juan,Washington State. My preference is to ignore the larger political entities and be more specific, for instance London, England,UK San Juan, Puerto Rico, USA, San Juan Island, USA. Opinions on an appropriate discussion board?01:13, 18 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldperson (talk • contribs)

Normally I think you would consult the Manual of Style WP:MOS, and discuss on the talkpage of the article... WP:UKPLACE may help. Curdle (talk) 01:36, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

@Oldperson: Talk:Ernest_Shackleton#RfC:_Should_birthplace_in_infobox_be_listed_simply_as_Ireland? may interest you. Please sign your comments with the four tildes (~~~~) so we know who you are. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 02:09, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

TimTempletonThank you. As you know. I do know to sign my posts with tildes. I just get carried away and have an excuse "Sometimers" disease. :)Oldperson (talk) 02:19, 18 January 2019 (UTC)