I dont know what you are trying to prove, unless that is terrorist propoganda. Kurds are a peacefull group of people at least that was my experience with them. I lived in the reagon I know the facts and some claims are no near facts. I fixed that, may look like vandalism however terrorist propoganda is the vandalism if you think about it. -- Catchi? (unsigned)
Examine my detailed comments on the edits. I'd like you to respond to them so we can improve the quality of the original article. The edits you made were not of good quality as they stood, mainly because your changes were not verifiable and some were clearly statements of personal opinion. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:29, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Turkey, Kurdish and Armanian issue
So let me get this straight the british dictate what Turkey refers to a reagion? Its turkish territory and no that statement is absolutely false. I dont care what the british claim. There is no kurdistan. Now there is a region where there is a high density kurdish poulation. you can invent a country that does not exist although that would be quite futile. The armanian genocide is as stated an ottomoan issue and does not belong to "Turkey" I neither deny nor accept the acusation, its neither my bussines nor vocation. Wikipedia seeks neutrality. And if you are going to accuse my ancestors that makes it NOT neutral. If you really want to accuse them do it in some other wikipedia page. The entier Kurd issue is a very sensitive topic and there is a great room for either side of the argument to dramatisize it. I merely work with facts. I have a scientific aproach to the issue, which dictates neither sides propoganda should be allowed. -- Catchi?
I don't think you're sticking to your point. You made an edit claiming that only terrorists called Kurdistan by that name. I corrected you; many people including foreign governments refer to the region as Kurdistan without necessarily recognising claims for its autonomy. I reverted the edit because it was obvious POV pushing, which you're not supposed to do on Wikipedia.
The article as it stands does not make accusations against your ancestors. Please don't make controversial tamperings with it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:41, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I will tamper with it until it is neutral. Those items I remove don't belong to that article. I removed 2 lines while adding 5 or 6. Items I removed belong to foreign affairs not demographics.
All I want to do is improve the quality by removing statements that dont belong where they are or remove/rewrite items that do not have a neutral value or are completely false.
Edits to StarCraft
Hello. Please be more careful in your edits to StarCraft. You re-added the storyline section, deeming it was vandalism, without even looking at User:ShardPhoenix's edit summary. If you had, you'd have realized he deleted the section for a reason, and explains it on the talk page. Also, why did you put the lead section under Introduction? This is not standard formatting, I'm sorry.... Phils 13:24, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I realised the story thing after my edit but it was late so I went to bed. Puting lead under contents is nicer. As lead is introduction ;). Mainly its easier to edit. -- Catchi? 15:34, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Please don't split StarCraft gameplay in two. Gameplay should be covered in the main article. Tactics, typical games, etc... in a separate one. No need for a single player gameplay article. Phils 16:31, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Ok. Let's stop editing this section and take it to Talk:StarCraft.... I'm posting my toughts there right now. Phils 16:35, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm using your user page to ask you to remove the "Introduction" header on the Starcraft page - it is established Wikipedia policy (see Lead section) to have a headerless lead section directly after the main title. No other article has a lead section in the format you suggest. I won't revert your edits myself anymore, but please remove the "Introduction" header Phils 17:18, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC).
Sure. Abolishing intorduction is a good idea, although some info was moved down to general info to increase article quality. -- Catchi? 17:28, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Please don't remove VfD notices from a page while the vote is still ongoing. Thanks. Carrp | Talk 17:53, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
To clarify, the above message was in reference to this edit [1] at 17:37, 17 Feb 2005. Carrp | Talk 18:08, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Even though you started the article, anyone is able to edit it (as with any Wikipedia article). This includes nominating it for VfD. While the vote is ongoing, the notice should not be removed so that other users can have a chance to vote. Carrp | Talk 18:26, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks and happy editing! Carrp | Talk 18:32, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Edits to StarCraft
I'm taking this to Wikipedia: Requests for Comment. However, understand that I do not disagree about the article being split: it must be split. I am just saying we should give an overview of gameplay and story in the main article plus the link to what you call subarticles. This is established policy in Wikipedia. The reason for my edits yesterday was that I believe the way you link the "subarticles" is not conform to what is normally done (check out articles like Canada or United States), I did not remove the links to subarticles.
Again, we agree that the article should be split, just refrain from insulting me and read my edits and comments more carefully. I will not revert your edits, but please restore the last version of the article I had. Phils 11:13, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC).
Agreed, Already notified you in your talk page. I see your point and agree with it though we have to limit the information big time. Also everything we put there should be sub articles header. -- Catchi? 18:19, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Kurdistan
We obviously disagree about the content of Kurdistan, and some of my reversions may have been a little hasty, but you do not need to accuse me of having a 'problem' or of vandalism. Vandalism is a very serious allegation and it is not the same as making edits you disagree with, or even edits that are illconsidered, misjudged or POV (see: Wikipedia:Vandalism). So don't throw the word around so lightly.
I am interested in working to find a consensus on the article. But this isn't helped if people start throwing around insults.
On a separate topic, please sign your posts on talkpages. It makes it easier to know who they're from.
Ah, now I think I see why you accused me of vandalism. I accidentally edited a comment you had made in the body of the article. That was a mistake not vandalism, but sorry about that.
Removal of users' own comments from your user talk page
You ask people not to remove any comments they put here. This probably isn't a sensible thing to ask. This page is provided for other editors to communicate with you and they are entitled to edit or even remove their own text during the course of that communication. For instance if someone makes a personal attack it is sensible that he remove it in accordance with the policy No personal attacks. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:08, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I want to archive everything said for future referance. -- Catchi? 20:16, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
No problem. Everything said will be saved automatically in the page history. But it's considered polite to let people change their minds and apologise and delete inappropriate statements. Just think of it as common courtesy. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:02, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
True. Although I am more concerned witn vandalism people deleting someone elses comments "for them". ;) -- Catchi? 21:04, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Vandalism?
Coolcat,
Please review Wikipedia:Vandalism. Several of your reverts for "vandalism" clearly fall outside of the description given there. Some editors may consider such a description of their edits to be a personal attack. It also tends to call into question the usefulness of your edit summaries in general. To better understand what is meant by vandalism, you might want to follow Special:RecentChanges for a bit, especially changes made by non-logged-in users. -Rholton 17:10, 2005 Feb 19 (UTC)
Or for that matter, just review the recent history of Wikipedia:Vandalism for some good examples... -Rholton 17:12, 2005 Feb 19 (UTC)
It fell under Sneaky vandalism. While the intentions were not evil, it was opinion based. Which is a POV
Vandalism which is harder to spot. Adding misinformation, changing dates or making other sensible-appearing substitutions and typos
Please re-read the descriptions given on Wikipedia:vandalism, where it specifically states that POV edits are NOT vandalism. Then review the following changes that you labeled as vandalism:
I don't see how the presence or absence of a header called "general" (as opposed to your original typo:"geneal") can possibly be considered sneaky vandalism, or any sort of vandalism.
Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad faith edits that do not make their bad faith nature explicit and inarguable, are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia.
Even some very distasteful behavior, such as bullying, harassing, and personal attacks, while deplorable, are NOT vandalism.
Using the word vandalism indiscriminately leads to confusion, and may itself be considered a form of bad-faith editing. Please make an effort to understand and conform to Wikipedia community norms.
Sorry, that's not how you move an article. You move articles using the "Move" function at the top of your screen. If you can't do that because the place you want to move it to has an article with a history, you ask an admin for help. What you do not do is do a cut and paste move. That's a big no no. johnk 02:14, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Actually, wikipedia doesn't always use full name. See Tony Blair, for instance. We use "most commonly used name." At any rate, you can lobby for the change at Wikipedia:Requested moves, where a discussion has already started. johnk 14:18, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. -- Catchi? 15:36, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Welcome
Well you're new, and you're making mistakes but learning from them. You're learning to work with other editors rather than against them. I like to see that. Welcome. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:48, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Anon vandalism
Gidday Coolcat, I've looked at User:85.98.38.241's edits, and they are indeed vandalism. Since they were made by an anon without a history of previous vandalism, and they all happened within ten minutes and many hours ago, I doubt that anything would be achieved by blocked the IP address. I've placed a warning on their talk page, but the chances are, they'll never see it because they got bored with vandalising Wikipedia and moved on.
When you warn someone for this sort of activity, please put your warning on their talk page, not their user page. Only a message posted to the talk page generates the "You have new messages" sign for them. Most vandals stop when they see this message.
Thanks for alerting me about this anon.-gadfium 22:48, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"I dont see a single mention of it in evidence, where it should be. you normaly give mods an hour to patchup their work. Learn to do productive edits merge duplicate information please. see talk"
strikes me as unusually impolite. You added a short third reference VIRGOHI21. I tried to merge all three, on the assumption that an editor who triplicates information was unlikely to do it. In your case that assumption was apparently unfounded (though there are still two different sections referencing it), but I do not see that assumption or my action as generally unreasonable. I'm sorry if that action or this comment offends you, but I find it annoying to be accused of being unproductive in attempting to merge multiply repeated information. Dragons flight 15:51, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
March
Iquery on users 195.175.37.8 and 195.175.37.11
There is a POV dispute as they keep adding their POV's on same articles. Since the IPs are so close I am not sure if these two people have same identitiy. Can you enlighten me? -- Catchi? 17:27, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You may be thinking of the developer ability to determine whether two user names belong to the same IP address. There's no way I can tell if two IPs are the same anon user. If they were significantly different IP addresses, you could use the tools at the top of WP:VIP to determine if they were at the same location, but in this case it seems like a given. I've got a lab to go to, no time to check further.-gadfium 20:43, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, If I might make a suggestion, if you are doing a major rework of this article that is going to take you some time, the best approach would be to work in a sub-page of the Talk page, for example Talk:Armenian Genocide/Proposed Refactor. This has three major advantages: (1) you can do it more at your leisure as you have time, without feeling that you are under the gun because the main article is in an "under construction" state; (2) you won't seem to have grabbed control of the article for an indefinite period where people are expected to just sit back and wait for you to be done with your changes and prevented from making their own changes; (3) you can solicit input and gain consensus for your rework without presenting it as a fait accompli to the other editors. Often people will resist something that they would have otherwise accepted just because they were not involved or consulted. When you take time to build consensus, you are more likely to have support for replacing the current article with your reworked version, when the rework is done. Being slightly bold, and assuming that you will want to adopt this approach, I have created Talk:Armenian Genocide/Proposed Refactor, containing your in-progress refactor, and reverted the main article to the state just before you started the refactor. Good luck with it, and if you would like me to help out with the work, please let me know. --BM 21:17, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Star Trek ranks
Thanks for your outstanding addition to ranks of the Starfleet. I modified the article slightly to reflect what is mentioned in production pubs/the show (references were cited) against what is mentioned in fan literature. Everything you put on there stayed in one way or another.-Husnock 6 Mar 05
I've indeed reverted this article a couple of times, because vandals deleted the article and replaced it with some inappropriate text about me. It's very well possible that some edits relevant to the article were lost in the process. If you can point me to the version you're talking about I may be able to revert it. But I prefer you wait to do it yourself when the protection is removed. Admins are accused of favoring one version over the other too much. If you don't know how to revert, I'll be happy to tell you. Mgm|(talk) 22:11, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
Also do you know the symbol I can use that is basicaly a filled o? Sorry I don't. as for the timeline you were working on. Yes, you're right, its deletion shouldn't have happened. I don't know enough about Kurdish and Turkish history to determine if there's any propaganda. All I saw was that it was turning into a vandal target. If you don't agree with it's content you can always raise an article RFC. Mgm|(talk) 10:01, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
I've unprotected and put your timeline in the history section (the lead section should always be on top). The timeline may not look right because the width of the image is longer than the screen, so it needs scrolling. Try changing its size. Mgm|(talk) 10:20, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
Hey there, sorry to catch you off-guard. I just noticed a lot of extra details creeping in that needed reorganization and rephrasing. There are also quite a few pictures still clashing for space in the middle of the article that need to be addressed, so on, so forth. Speculation and assumption in some parts of the article were significant and needed more balance. On the whole, I think my edits improved the article, though there's still a lot of flow issues and I'd like to move the specific game details for the Tiberian series off to another article to treat the entire universe on an even footing.
The coding you're using is called EasyTimeline. Somewhere in the help files there's documentation, but I can't remember where. Besides, I've tried to make one myself, and it didn't work, so I doubt I'd be helpful. I think you'd better ask someone else. Maybe the Help desk? Mgm|(talk) 10:55, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
Star Trek Graphics
I wanted to let you know I have graphic JPGs of all Star Trek ranks which I will gradually be bringing into the Ranks and insignia of Starfleet article. Your text graphics are good for the interim, of course, but they may eventually be replaced. Thanks for all your hard work on the article. -Husnock 11 Mar 05
Im done for the day. Knock yourself out with the article. One concern: Your new TNG pips are great, but I noticed your Fleet Captain picture omits the gold bar which should be beneath the pips. This was established in Deep Space Nine. I have graphic pics for the all the Next generation pips, including Fleet Captain, but would have to replace your officer pics entirely to maintain consistency. Dont want to do that unless I have to. Thanks. -Husnock
If you have any problems with this article, please follow your own guidelines and discuss them here before making any changes. Note that I am not making any of my own changes to the article, merely erasing changes you made to the previous state of the article, in which you wiped out entire sections of information and replaced them with an article of your own creation which contains many grammatical and spelling errors, as well as ignoring entirely the issue of Kurdish independence (whether you support it or not).
I hope to resolve this situation civilly, but in case that is not possible I have gotten in touch with a few individuals about possible mediation/arbitration of this issue. Once again, please do not make changes to the article (I won't do so either) without discussing them here first, otherwise you will be starting a "revert war" which is something you claim to oppose.
My respects,
User
Not all old edits are good. You reverted it back to a propoganda edit, if you insist on putting your POV's into the article I'll gladly revert it back. If you refuse to follow wikipedia policy your IP will be blocked. I dont care who you got in touch with, propoganda is a big no no on wikipedia, I am only tolerating you because of the Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers policy.
I'm well-versed enough in the way Wikipedia works to know that you cannot block by IP address, so don't try any intimidation here. I was about to suggest adding the following paragraph to the article:
The best known and most radical of the Kurdish movements, the PKK, which does not represent the majority of Kurds, sought to establish an independent Marxist state in southeastern Turkey where the Kurdish population predominates. A resurgence of Kurdish attacks attributed to the PKK necessitated the deployment of Turkish army units and elite police forces with the initiation in 1984 by the PKK of armed struggle against the state with attacks on gendarmerie posts in the southeast. Fighting in the mountain terrain favored the insurgents, who could intimidate local Kurdish families and ambush regular troops. The violence has mounted since 1991, with PKK guerrillas from camps in Syria, Iran, and Iraq, as well as from inside Turkey itself, attacking Turkish military and police outposts and targeting civilian community leaders and teachers. In 1993, PKK gunmen sought military targets outside the southeastern region; they also conducted coordinated attacks in many West European cities, particularly in Germany where more than 1 million Kurds live, against Turkish diplomatic installations and Turkish businesses, often operated by Kurds. Such attacks on commercial firms can be seen as efforts at intimidation to gain contributions to PKK fundraising.
What do you think?
By the way, I want you to know that I am no PKK supporter. Please understand though that your article is not unbiased, nor is it well written. Is English your primary language?
That was ment to be a warning not a threat. I dont like a "revert" war. I do not need a mediator. I am knowlegable of the issue. I will see what you have done
We have an agreement that PKK does not represent the majority of Kurds. PKK is a terrorist organisation. (My POV)They did more harm to Kurds than anybody else(end of my POV). I will look at your changes, I will not acknowlege my additions to be simply deleted as if they never existed, I was been factual. If anyone accuses Turkish Millitary for what PKK has done I will simply laugh. PKK is a terrorist organisation as far as all countries in EU,NATO are concerned and thats quite a number of countries... The number of countries are not limited to thoese...
What I think regarding PKK modifications
You summerised my article.
You added PKK links, propoganda material or not related to PKK directly, wikipedia is not a soap box.
"Numerous events in history have left several million Kurds in the Middle East stateless, primarily in Turkey and northern Iraq where most of its members are based." this article is about PKK not kurds. I am sorry but I cannot accept that.
"Turkish Kurdistan" Kurdistan is not how you refer to soulth eastern Turkey. If you call it Turkish Kurdistan you will only offend people. "Kurdistan" is a POV as some kurds accpet it some kurds dont.
"In 2002 the government of Turkey accepted certain conditions for entry into the European Union including abolition of the death penalty which will spare the life of Abdullah Öcalan, plus changes to official government policy on basic human rights, which its Kurdish population will largely benefit." This article is PKK the bold part is in the wrong adress, maybe place it in timeline in "Kurds"
"was one of several militant groups fighting for the creation of an independent Kurdish state in southern Turkey" So you mean they are not a terrorist organisation? Just like Al-quaida (or however you spell it) , november 17 and various other organisations, it is a terrorist organisation. Softening it is not right, not-factual.
I am reverting my article back, you are welcome to soften it and make it more neutral. I am not reverting it because I oppose your edit althogh as you can clearly see above I object the majority of the lines. Instead of reverting please edit my edit, you are removing the picture and timeline and a lot of information by reverting.
I want to do this civilised, in order to do this I have several concerns. Do you agree with these?
PKK is a terrorist organisation <- Unnegotiable
PKK does not represent the majority of the Kurds
PKK slaughtered lots and lots of civilians <- Unnegotiable
Turkish military did not mass murder civilians as the original article suggested. <- Unnegotiable
PKK used land mines
PKK used suicide bombers
PKK links = bad
I am not acusing anyone, the article is not propoganda, sometimes facts are painfull and this is one of those cases.
If you want to discuss Kurds there exists an article: Talk:Kurds.
I like your civilised approach, but I have a LOT of reservations regarding PKK. The types of activities of the organisation I mentioned in my edit is acknowleged by the organisation.
Compromise:
I think I can agree with all of your above statements. However, will you agree:
(1) That the Turkish Military also commit atrocities in its campaign against the PKK, and killed civilians.
I cannot accept that, I dont have the basis of dennying it, the add you got there seems ok.
(2) That the southeastern region of Turkey is predominantly Kurdish, and therefore has a right to campaign peacefully for independence if the people there support that.
I think that the most painful thing about this situation is that both sides commit atrocities, and the Kurdish people were caught in the middle. I just want to make sure that you do not try to make the Turkish Government look like heroes and like the Kurds definitely don't have any cause for independence. Take a look at the new version of the article and tell me whether you think it is a suitable compromise.
You cannot discuss the PKK without discussing Kurds and Kurdish independence. That's like trying to talk about the Nazis without discussing Germans or the goals of Nazism.
That's what I'm really trying to say. You just want the article on the PKK to portray the PKK as evil and terrorist, without discussing what motivated the PKK in the first place. I think that if I agree to let you keep all the information regarding PKK atrocities, then you should allow me to add the information regarding the issue of Kurdish independence which motivated the PKK, as well as some reference to the atrocities committed by the Turkish Army.
That is a POV, they can do anything they like via political means. I don't think it benefits them to be a seperate country. If they go that would be a stimulant to Turkish ecconomy as they are a very serrious drain as significant resources are diverted for their needs, like security being one of them second GAP project. There are no valuable natural resources in the region and people in the region have no idea what populution control is as people with 6+ childeren is wrong. Also there are no reliable on how many Kurds are there in the region. I cannot confirm their numbers nor deny them, neither can you
Kurds classification as an Independant race is disputed big time by some non-Turkey related Anthropologs(I dont have a view regarding this but thats a very contraverisal discussion, It is not my place to make up an opinion). Its very difficult to distingush them apart from other races in the area. I am not a big fan of "racial" rights, they only cause hostility towards the special group, look at Iraq: 3 factions 3 diferent entities all 3 hate each other...
Kurds up north have their Autonomous region, Shias have their own (created by the NATO no-fly zone) which saved Kurds, and Shias from extinction as both parties at a point sided against the central goverment at a point (by no means do I like Saddam, he irritates and annoys me at best).
Please do not remove my comments again, I believe you did not intentionaly. The so called "atrocities committed by the Turkish Army" started long after the activity of PKK. I cannot let you bluntly acuse the Turkish Military of sich actions and personaly I serriously doubt we would be discussing Kurds if Turkish Millitary wanted to exterminate Kurds. Those are the claims by the organisation. I dont remember a UN resolution or any kind of diplomatic chatter regarding the matter. So the claims are officialy baseless... Maybe make it "the organisation accuses the Turkish military"
Why I removed some of your links
The links you include to bloody images with no English do not give anyone any context, because they are not in English. Therefore, they are not informative, they are only meant to shock. That is why I removed them.
As for the other links, I think that if you object to including links to the PKK campaign, then I could just as easily object to links to Turkish Government sites (i.e., the Turkish Foreign Ministry). I choose to avoid this conflict, however, for the sake of compromise.
The Turkish goverment sites have diplomatic value, the link thats there first is US navy databse, This is a terrorist organisation, I will not tolerate any propoganda For it. External links regarding the organisation in my opinnion are extremely offensive BUT i can let the official links to the organisation stay as a comprimise. I still dont like it though :(
For a person out there with no knowlege of the organisation those links are necesary for what they done. I will clarify the warnign that it points to pictures, Throughout wiipedia external links are not always in english. Also your emoved category and other language links. I am readding those :P
You completely removed the "The result:" section. The organisation left a small crater in the region. What they achived is all that.
Enterprise Pics
"I dont see why you modified enterprise ranks :( My theme was better. I like using same jpg over and over again. That way we save on wiki resources, load time, :) -- Catchi? 07:45, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)"
The Enterprise pics you used had a wide blue swath that was taking up way too much space in the table. Also there was no image tag or copyright associated with your pics. The new pics are single files with copyright tags and take up much less space. -Husnock 12Mar04
I'm off for the night. To answer your questions, Motion Picture rank stripes are of a different style/fabric than the original series and documentation from the film producers indicates slight changes regarding titles such as no Fleet Captain, etc.
Also, please, please do not change things just to change things. There is no reason to modify any of the pics that have already been placed on the page (i.e. Enterprise Admiral Pics). The only reason your graphics were modified/replaced was to make room in the table for more columns. Most of your pics were left as is, i.e. next generation pips and original series stripes.
Within a few days, enlisted section will be revamped and graphics files added. I have public domain images from the producers of the show. G.Night. -Husnock 12Mar05
Enterprise Admiral Pips
Thanks for your great new pics of all the rank insignia. I did have to go back to the old Enterprise Admiral pips, however, to maintain factuality. A detailed explanation of this is on the talk page of the Ranks and insignia of Starfleet. Hope you dont mind, we just want to keep in line with whats been seen on the show. Talk page will explain the full reason.
I look forward to working with you on the enlisted section. -Husnock 12Mar05
Admin
Thanks for your question about adminship, but Ive turned that down before. Admins ahve become little more than vandal police, spening most of thier time blocking anon IPs who vandalize articles. I am also in the military, subject to deployments, and may be away for Wiki for long periods of time. Thanks, though for the support. -Husnock
Alternate Ranks
Can you use your new Next Generation pips to create the following alternate ranks in Ranks and insignia of Starfleet? Here are the descriptions based on what material I have seen:
Flag Officer: An Admiral "Box", however with no pips inside
Brevet Admiral: A standard four pip admiral box, with the first pip being a black hollow.
Thank you! -Husnock
ST:TNG Enlisted Pips
All your changes to the Starfleet rank article are great. I agree with saying the silver pips are first season only. BUT- The enlisted CPO pips were worn through the entire Next Generation series. O'Brien wore such pips through the fifth season and several characters after that also displayed gold pips as CPO rank. The column in this section should state "ST:TNG" and not Next Generation First Season. -Husnock 13Mar05
ok.
Here is the answer to your question cut from the article:
"When Star Trek: The Next Generation was first aired, enlisted personnel were again a very ambiguous subject. Apart from occasional dialogue addressing an extra as “Crewman”, no set of enlisted ranks or insignia was established in the first two seasons of the Next Generation. By the third season, the character of Miles O'Brien had been developed into the first recurring enlisted role since Yeoman Janice Rand of the Original Star Trek series. The rank insignia worn by O’Brien was confusing, however, in that he was often addressed as “Chief”, but appeared to wear the insignia of a Lieutenant (in one episode he is actually addressed as “Lieutenant”). By the fifth season of the Next Generation series, a system of rank insignia for enlisted personnel had at last been established. Such insignia was actually identical to officer pips, with a variation in the number of pips displayed depending on an enlisted member’s status as a Petty Officer, Chief Petty Officer, or the higher CPO ranks. The rank pips in the Next Generation series also were displayed in silver and gold with silver worn by officers and gold for the enlisted ranks. Later Star Trek productions would eliminate this gold/silver distinction and establish gold pips as the standard insignia for all grades."
About O'Brien, his backstory establishes him as a career enlisted Starfleet member. During the Next Generation he is supposed to be a Chief Petty Officer and in Deep Space Nine he eventually is declared to be a Senior Chief Petty Officer. P.S.- I like all ur other changes to the article! -Husnock 13Mar05
fun. guess that sums it up.
I have noted your contributions on my User page as well! -Husnock 13Mar05
Well it certainly could do with a cleanup, but I wouldn't know where to start. Why don't you put your ideas on the talk page and see what people think? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:40, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Oh it's fadix? I've encountered him elsewhere briefly. Not a particularly unreasonable chap. Here's what I advise:
Please, both of you, start signing your edits so people other than you and fadix can tell who said what.
Be nice with him, try to find your differences and work out a way of putting them that you will both agree with.
You're not here to argue about what happened and what did not--different authorities will say different things and that's okay, it's our job as encyclopedists not to find out who is right about what happened but to record faithfully all significant opinions about what happened. I think you should both be able to reach a form of words that you can both agree on. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:38, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Fadix, etc
I won't take sides between you two. I want to see signs that you have both read, understood and abide by Wikipedia policies and guidelines, especially the following ones:
So far despite the protestations from both sides I'm not seeing a lot of this from either of you. No calling one another childish, no calling one another whackos. I'll be watching both of you and I don't want to be disappointed. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:28, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Coolcat, just a friendly word about your discussion style.
You write please do NOT revert, overwrite, scream, whinine, swear, insult me/my edits.
Firstly, and it's the most important: never ask another editor not to revert what you do. If you are replying to this, look down to the bottom of the page and you will see "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it." And that includes reverting. While reverting is not always the right thing to do, and repeated reverting is usually a sign of a serious problem, please do not presume to tell other editors what they can and cannot do with your contributions. The same goes for overwriting. No article belongs to you. Even your own contributions do not belong to you in the sense of your having a right to see them accepted unaltered.
Secondly, you come across as a little arrogant. There's nothing wrong with that--especially if you're a talented editor (and this may be so if you've got a barnstar for your work on fan articles). However your arrogance here leads you to presume that other people you encounter may be inclined to "scream, whinine, swear, insult me/my edits." That is an insult, whether you agree that it is or not. I remind you that I've asked you to consult and try to understand the policies and guidelines. Please make sure that you spend some time doing so. I'll be watching. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:42, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thank you Coolcat
I appreciate your fair and balanced efforts very much. Unfortunately, you're up against someone who thrives on confrontation and argumentation and is not going to prove reasonable no matter what is said. It takes strength to deal with a character like this, emitting massive kilowatts of negative energy. I returned after an absence, and am appalled at what has taken place; your original idea of maintaining the initial page until mediation was the proper course, but you needed support. Understandably but unfortunately, those who are looking over our shoulders are operating from the rules of fair play, while the party dealt with has other ideas. At any rate, I have posed questions at the talk pages of both involved administrators that I invite you to check. Thank you again. --Torque March 17, 2005
Mediation request filled
Coolcat, I have reuqested mediation, and a mediator has asked me to choose the mediator, I have chosen a mediator... present your cases there and I will present mine. RegardsFadix 00:00, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thank for your message. I do agree with several of your points, the first one being that the some of language used in the article need to be toned down. Actually, I think I did try to do just that in some of my edits, but of course I agree that there are still much work to be done. Also, on second thought, I do agree that there is really no reason that France should be emphasized in the lead section. What I do not agree about however, is your suggestion that we should just use the word "scholars" and not mention that the vast majority of Western and Armenian scholars are supporting the genocide theses. This is in my humble opinion an important (and very solid) fact, and something that the reader of the article has the right to know. Stereotek 08:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Maybe, but there is still no doubt that the vast majority of Western and Armenian scholars support the genocide theses. This is what the article should mention, and currently does mention. Stereotek 15:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Response to your requests for appraisal
Sorry, I'm going to have to be negative here. I think you're going about it the wrong way.
Firstly I think your new newbie text is still far, far too hostile and tends to treat Wikipedia as if it were some kind of debating medium. It's also against the spirit of Be Bold. Telling an editor you're going to revert his edits is unacceptable.
Secondly I don't think you should keep checklists like the one you have apparently compiled with the user you're having problems with. Your goal should be to try to understand him, even if he may appear sometimes to be a little insulting. If you can do the former, it will help Wikipedia far more than escalating to the point of completely alienating him. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:37, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Here's a section from the Editing policy that I'd like you to look at. Notice the open, inviting style, how it encourage users to jump in and make changes, even without discussion. I think you should read these policy documents and imitate their tone. It will give new editors a better feel of how best to enjoy working on Wikipedia.
There are also different editing styles in the sense of how bold people are willing to be:
Virtually no one behaves as though previous authors need to be consulted before making changes; if we thought that, we'd make little progress.
Quite the contrary: some Wikipedians think you should not beat around the bush at all—simply change a page immediately if you see a problem, rather than waiting to discuss changes that you believe need to be made. Discussion becomes the last resort.
An intermediate viewpoint accords that dialogue should be respected, but at the same time a minor tweak should be accepted. In this view, to edit radically or not will often depend on the context—which seems reasonable enough.
There is a place for all of these attitudes on Wikipedia.
See: Wikipedia: No Personal Attacks for a definition of personal attacks between users. usually, it involves name calling and attacks about someone's personality, family, etc not to do with Wikipedia articles. Dissenting opinions on articles are not personal attacks. -Husnock 20Mar05
Re: Your message
I have no opinion on the topic of PKK, I just saw that there was a serious dispute on the talk page, so I thought it would be right to apply the POV tag.
P.S. I don't think I left anything anonymous, did I? -=vyruss=- 03:44, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I never posted anonymously, I was just reading. When I decided to contribute I got an account. Thanks :) -=vyruss=-
Fadix
He's stubborn and very wordy in his justifications, but unless he has directly insulted you, I can't say whether he commited personal attacks. Do you have any examples? Mgm|(talk) 08:48, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
"I will not stop “accusing” you to have a hidden agenda because I am not accusing, I am just pointing to the fact that you do have a hidden agenda, I do not need to accuse you, your editions clearly show it."
"You are not a moderator, a moderator can differentiate himself from his biases, you can't, I don't recognize your authority. Fadix 20:49, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC) "
"BWAHAHA!!! (sorry could not retain myself). So Sir is neutral :)"
They also suggest the article will be more one sided so that it is neutral, I refuse to believe there is a concensus accepting the genocide, the general tone of the article is propoganda. Any edit I make to the article will be immidiately reverted by Fadix.
Article goes like this:
1 Armenians in Anatolia
2 The Armenian Genocide
3 The Camps
4 The Special organization (Teshkilati Mahsusa)
5 Millitary trials, Istanbul, 1919
6 Recent History - Timeline
7 Official Recognition
8 Turkish intellectuals who support the theses of genocide
9 Armenian Genocide memorial
10 See also
11 Resources
12 External links
12.1 Websites supporting the genocide theses
12.2 Websites opposing the genocide theses
While no/limited mention of the oposition because all oposition is propoganda, thats fanatic.
"For instance, during the Military tribunal, testimonies in the effect that Dr. Saib and Nail, an Ittihadist deputy, were heading two school buildings used as child extermination camps. Both Saib and Nail were allegedly in charge of providing the list of children who were to be distributed among the Muslim populace; the rest of the children were to be sent to the mezzanine floor to be killed by a mass gassing installation. The Children were sent there under the pretext to take baths, but were poisoned instead.
While the total number of victims that perished in all camps is hard to establish, it is by some sources estimated that close to a million would be a reasonable figure. This figure excludes Armenians who died in other ways, but may include the Special organizations participation in the events; the majority of the excluded losses are recorded in Bitlis and Sivas"
General tone has comments. And that does not sound remotely Neutral.
Ataturk's irreligion
Atatürk's irreligion is very well documented: "I have no religion," and a neutral description of it belongs in the section that gives his motivation for Turkish cultural and political reform.
Denial or deletion of Atatürk's irreligion is not neutral—I would characterize these repeated deletions as vandalism.
Tony Sidaway (unsigned) --129.55.200.20talk
Very odd. I don't recall saying that. Looking at your talk page history, the author seems to be 129.55.200.20 (talk · contributions), and a whois suggests that it's someone at MIT. I'm in London. Actually my last edit to your talk page amounted to a suggestion that you should lighten your tone in responding to new editors. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:13, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Check
I've asked an developer to check for sockpuppets following an anonymous post to Fadix' userpage. Hopefully, that will tell me whether there's any sockpuppets involved in this dispute.
In the mean time, could you please respond to the following (from my talk page)?
Fadix on the other hand seems to be a reasonable guy, with a good understanding of Wikipedias NPOV policies. Stereotek 15:52, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No, I can't check your IP. I'd have to ask a developer to track it down before I can track your location. Mgm|(talk) 09:44, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Mediator
Fadix isn't the only one who gets to choose a mediator. Mediation can only take place if you agree to work with the same mediator. You could agree or suggest another one. But don't think he's forcing you to agree or something. Mgm|(talk) 09:27, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Dictionary
I hope you don't mind me editing your user page, but you said Wikipedia is a dictionary, which obviously isn't true. It's an encyclopedia. Mgm|(talk) 09:03, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Productive edits are more than welcome feel free to add items that will enhance it. -- Catchi? 09:25, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm keeping an eye on him and I posted to the admin noticeboard. Mgm|(talk) 09:57, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Archvie Discussion Page
Can you briefly explain how to do this? Thanks. -User:Husnock 22Mar05
ST: Motion Picture Ranks
Star Trek: The Motion Picturehad no rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade. This is established in several offical sources from the producers of the film (there also was no rank of Fleet Captain in the Motion Picture). Also, the original sereis rank stripes were of a different style, fabric, and color than the later motion picture ranks. Motion picture stripes were more "metalic". Please do not remove the Motion Picture column from the Star Trek rank article. Thanks -Husnock
Atatürk
It is hard to believe that we cannot name the article about a person as his real full name. Anyways,, Thx --DBL2010talk 08:59, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Öcalan
I'll give it some thought, but I think two articles are better than one. On the other hand, I will add them to my watch list and help preventing vandalism. Guettarda 17:15, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I still don't agree that it would make any sense to merge Abdullah Öcalan with PKK. -- Curps 17:15, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Which vote are you referring to? Jayjg (talk) 17:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. I think the individual is still notable in his own right; he is not the organization, and the organization is not him. Jayjg (talk) 17:39, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Contacts, and the "food chain"
So...do I make it to "random veteran" or "promising veteran"? (I think after >6 months & 2000 edits I have made it past newbie). I like the pyramid though. I was rather surprised to realise that Tony is not an admin. Guettarda 18:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
He is? My bad. Food chain is my way of categorising. It is difficult to tell who is an admin on wikipedia as people dont yell their adminship, which is good. :)
I categorise people like you as veteran. 2000 edits is very significant as a number.
Another factor is the nature of your edits. How many articles did you crate from scratch. How well were your edits etc.
I classify people as newbies if they do not wiki-format like tables images. People dont tag in that category for long.
I liked it better not spaced - it loses some of its effectiveness when you have to scroll. Guettarda 22:20, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I like this better - it's detailed, clear. I might (personally) differ on the importance placed on barnstars (because I don't have one ;)) but if I had to judge someone I didn't know I would probably use your system. Admin status is a funny thing - there are people who aren't admins who have a lot more clout here than some admins (like BM) - and some people who are admins who you just have to wonder about. Admin status is supposed to be "no big deal" - just trusted members of the community - if you think about it, anyone who earned a barnstar should be an admin. But there's politics involved - Sam Spade outranks half the admins here in terms of his contributions and his clout in Wikipedia, but many people don't like his politics or the company he keeps (or attracts), and there would be quite a few people who might vote against his adminship.
I would probably but the bureaucrats on the level just below Jimbo - at least the senior bureaucrats like Ed Poor, Cecropia and TUF-KAT and the stewards like Angela (a member of the Wikimedia Foundation Board) and Anthere. Angela especially seems like an almost legendary figure. Ed is an interesting - and sometimes controvertial - figure. Anyway, good job on the figure. Guettarda 19:23, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Genocide
I salute you for your neutrality and for having the fortitude to deal with the amazing interloper. I didn't get back right away on your survey, because I got sucked into the goings-on after my absence; I wanted to see what Fadix had to say regarding personal attacks. Of course he attacks you (that's his strategy), sometimes overtly ("You are lying") and sometimes sneakily, accusing you of POV and everything else. (But at least he hasn't gone so far as to call you a "RACIST NAZI-LIKE FK.") I don't have the tenacity to keep up with the Wikipedia developments as you have bravely done. You really deserve a medal. I can see your survey idea has been criticized; Fanadix surely has enough supporters, like Stereotek, who appears to be a fellow Armenian. If you have questions, mannyporter-at-yahoo-dot-com is a way to reach me. I may not get back immediately, because I sometimes don't check on a regular basis. --Torque, Mar 23 2005
Fadix and others
I've posted requests to some mediators, developers and the WP:DAO. If you want me to take other actions, please back up your statements by providing diff. links. I simply don't have the time to track down who said what when, especially when the arguments between you guys is spread over several pages. Mgm|(talk) 09:21, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, no on the reconsidering. I have both articles watched, and if they are vandalized on my watch, I'll do what I can. But as to simplifying your workload... watching one more article isn't going to break your back. But AO while a part of the PKK is not the PKK, and the PKK while certainly a large factor in his notability is not AO. It's not like we take Abraham Lincoln and merge his material in with United States Republican Party...because after all, Lincoln was just a washed-out country bumpkin lawyer before he got involved with under the Republican banner, nor do we merge Yasser Arafat with the Palestinian Liberation Organization...because after all Arafat would be insignificant without his involvement in the PLO. The person is notable, the organization is notable, and both deserve to have separate (and I add emphatically), better written articles. I will not reconsider or reverse my previous vote on the matter. —ExplorerCDT 16:49, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Al Qaeda will probably wither and die after the death of Osama bin Laden. Who knows if the Government of Tibet in exile will last after the demise of the current Dalai Lama. The Mongol invasion of Europe was effectively impossible after the death of Ghengis Khan. The Congress of Vienna failed after the death of Metternich in 1848. France's First Empire was finished after the fall and death of Napoleon. The dustbin of history is littered with movements, countries, wars, or other monumental efforts that ended once the person involved with them failed, died, or went on to bigger and better things. But does Al Qaeda equal bin Laden, the Mongol invasion of Europe equal Ghengis Khan, the Congress of Vienna equal Metternich, France equal Napoleon or Tibet-in-Exile equal the Dalai Lama? No. The people involved and the organizations themselves are independently notable. And as such, the articles on these topics are not merged...especially not for such a pathetic reason as to make it easier for an editor to battle occasional vandals. —ExplorerCDT 17:06, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Good. I assume this settles the matter? —ExplorerCDT 17:56, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Movie Pins
Your alteration of the movie pin pictures created an inconsistency in that the new pic you used was larger than the others. There is also no reason at all to replace the LTJG Pin pic which looks fine and fits nicely in the article. Your efforts on the article are greatly appreciated but there is no need to replace existing pictures with identical ones. Thanks for your understanding -Husnock 24Mar05
I understand your logic, but please, please, please leave the movie pins alone. There is absolutely no reason to modify or change them. The article is pretty much at a complete stage now. There shouldnt be anything to correct except for factual errors and new info from official sources. Thats my opinion. -Husnock
Service Stars
You said:Just like in the millitary and scounting a nice thing would be to have service stars for the number of years people contributed to wikipedia.
Now I'm not sure why exactly you told me this, but if you had some plan drafted, I'd like to see the link. Though, I must say I'm afraid it would promote a seniority hierarchy. -- Mgm|(talk) 00:59, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
Contacts, and the "food chain"
I do not consider myself to be part of a food chain or rank system. I believe the concept would be damaging to Wikipedia. I have taken the liberty of removing my name from your list. I am just another editor like you. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:52, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
He does seem a little overwrought. I had a look at your latest change and, although I couldn't follow all of it, the effect did seems to be largely cosmetic, improving the English grammar. It could be that he is seeing something that I am not. If you ask for my advice, I'd say take it slowly and gently and try to convince him that you don't intend to harm the article.
Ask him if there's anything in your edits in, say, the first three paragraphs that he has a problem with, and ask him to explain it. If not the first three, the next three, and so on. Be sure to explain why you made the changes you did, politely, and be ready to concede any point that he may make that seems to make some sense--it's better to have a compromise that you're both happy with than to try fruitlessly to make him accept everything.
Another approach would be to put up only a small change, and see if he reverts that. This enables you to focus discussion on a specific piece of text and explain his opinion, and you can explain why you thought the change made the article better.
Slow work, but very rewarding if you can convince him and together you produce some productive edits. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:54, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I find that the best way to get around this kind of problem is to work out what changes I can make to an article that other people will support, even if there's one person who won't. Use the discussion fully and see what other editors think about your changes. He's far more likely to accept a change if he sees that it isn't just you proposing it, but other people who think it's the right thing to do. And it may just be that you'll find that other editors also oppose your proposals--and then you'll have learned something. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:19, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I find your color tags very irritating. I know you're trying to make it easier to illustrate the way you're trying to gain consensus, but I think the consensus here is probably that you shouldn't be using color. Don't edit other people's comments if you can help it, just make your own comment and refer to theirs by quoting or paraphrasing a small, relevant bit of it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:35, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and people do like it if you say "sorry, I boobed" or something. Even if you meant well, but they got angry, it's a sign of respect and people do appreciate that. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:36, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Be patient. If they're waiting for you to be banned, and always assuming you're not doing anything wrong, then the best thing to do is just wait until they realise you're not going to be banned.
I won't get involved in that article unless an edit war develops or there is real vandalism, in which case I may protect it or ask someone else to do so. It would be unethical for me to step in and say Fadix has to listen to you. If he develops a habit of acting like that with a few people, or he genuinely is acting as if he owns the article, reverting all changes, you and some others might like to raise a RfC on that. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:57, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Because it's a Wiki we don't like to protect/lock things unless absolutely necessary. I'm only permitted to protect user pages and subpages (as your template is) if they're subjected to repeated vandalism.
A RfC is a Request for Comment. It's part of the dispute resolution process. Read about it here:
Tony, let me ask you a question. Would you accept in anyway, that someone merge two positions and present two views as equaly valid? Will you accept that in a natural selection article, the creationist view is presented equaly, and merge with natural selection, without sayin who says what? Would you accept a presentation of two theses as two different but equally valid? Coolcat resist to present who says what, he want to delete that one version is from the Turkish government and the other from most scholars. Fadix 03:28, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I understand your point, Fadix. I don't think it would be right to do so. On the point of "concentration camps" versus "relocation camps" I do not see your point, however. You seem to be claiming that the term "relocation camps" was never used and Coolcat has introduced it, but when I searched I found that the Armenian National Committee of America quoted with approval Congressman John Conyers (D-MI), a ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee who said the following:
"For years, Members of Congress and people within the Administration have shied away from recognizing the Armenian genocide in particular. Yet there is ample historical evidence--including that of American eyewitnesses--that Armenians were forced from their homes on short notice, were sent on death marches across the country, were massacred along the way, and were starved because they were provided no food or water on the march or in the inadequate relocation camps in the Syrian desert. If that is not intentional infliction of death or harm upon a group of people, I don't know what is."
Are these camps the same ones you and Coolcat are discussing? Please forgive me if they're not--I know very little of the events in question and practically none of the geography of the region.--Tony Sidaway|Talk 03:39, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Those were the transit camps, not the concentration camps. As I said, the word relocation camp has been used few times, but to be used for transit camps. The transit camps were to direct the convoys until they were sent in the "concentration camps"... the term relocation in those cases could have been used. fadix (unsigned)
Okey doke. Sounds fine. So could we say "The Ottoman Empire set up a recorded twenty-five to twenty-six concentration camps and relocation camps..." --Tony Sidaway|Talk 03:57, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Coolcat want us to find another name for it. But isn't it wrong to say that we can not invent an expression all by ourselve to be included in an entry? Isn't it wrong to say that Wikipedia is not the place to post personal theories? If it is not wrong to say that, is it right to say, that we should call something the way it was called? If yes! In all honesty, why would you think Coolcat will opose to this entry? Like he oppose that we specify that most in the academia support one theses against the other? Would it be one sided to report something like that, when it is true? Fadix 04:22, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
On Stereotek's user talk page, you say: The article currently is an accusation in general, that is not the right tone. Both views should apear 50:50.
This is what Fadix is getting at, I think. As he put it, it's like I set out writing about Natural Selection and some Young Earth Creationist insisted on juxtaposing the views of his minister, or the biblical account of Noah's Ark, alongside the findings of the naturalists, 50/50.
NPOV does say we should represent all significant points of view, and certainly the Turkish government's point of view is a very significant one, but this doesn't automatically mean that an NPOV article will simply give "equal time" to the Turkish point of view and all the others. You need to meet Fadix and the others on their own ground, firstly with the accounts of the historians and secondly examining contemporary references to see if the historians are consistent and reliable. It may be that they've got it wrong and that this isn't what historians are saying at all. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 04:35, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why the hell did you move my template registered under my user name. What is your problem? -- Catchi? 07:59, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
While I should just ignore that, for it's purely hostile tone, I'll explain.
Nobody here "owns" anything. It looked like a page name typo, so I moved it, and re-edited the talk pages to refer to it in the new location. By your tone, it sounds like, in reality, you mistakely created a personal-use template in the common "Template:" namespace. In either case, moving it to User:Coolcat/mediat is the right option. You can use it like a template by wrapping it like this -- {{User:Coolcat/mediat}}. You may want to see the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:User:Coolcat/mediat. You're welcome. -- Netoholic@ 08:20, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)
My apologies, I have been dealing with too much vadalism directed at me. Its difficult to tell what is and what isnt :(. FOr your case that was good. -- Catchi? 09:22, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Side note
If you want to delete a page that you made yourself, do not empty or "blank" it. Mark with {{deletebecause|Reason}} -- Netoholic@ 08:23, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)
Thanks
thanks dude! appreciate it.
shuffdog-talk 08:44, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
Your disputes with other users
Hello. You drew my attention to an edit war on Armenian Genocide, and I had a closer look at the article history and the dispute. The only way I can see that I could possibly get these users "off your tail" is to protect the article in question. Without specific links to questionable behaviour of these users, and lacking the wish to go trawling through all the history to find it myself, I cannot block these users at a mere request. If you want to provide me with such examples, I would be happy to examine them. - Mark 09:28, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And I see that you are in mediation over the article at Wikipedia:Requests for Mediation. I wouldn't want to interfere with the mediation process. It would be wrong of me to intervene in such a situation. - Mark 09:45, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I really can't do much here; I don't have any more power than you do. All I can do is suggest you open an RFC or RFAr, making sure you refer to examples of behavior you find unacceptable. Also, don't forget to mention the fact that the mediation comittee is still is quite inactive. Sorry.
As an alternative you could see if Snowspinner or blankfaze would be willing to file such a request for you through his office of investigations if you find the task too daunting yourself. Whatever, be sure that admit anything you may have done wrong. It will help loads. Mgm|(talk) 11:08, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
Armenian Holocaust ar Holocaust (disambiguation)
I find it quite strange that you disavow the reality of the Armenian holocaust. There is more than ample evidence for its existence; the only ones denying its reality are the Turks. While there may be questions about the motivation, there are none about the act. Denni☯ 17:56, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)
Please sign your posts. You can do so using four tildes (~~~~).
You say Neither you and I can determine the facts. A misleading pro genocide claim is not open minded wikipedia material when there is significant oposition. Significant opposition does not render a claim moot. If that were the case, a number of listings in the Holocaust (disambiguation) article would not be there - those who engage in such acts are quick to deny them when put to the wall. While there may be some POV in the Armenian Genocide article, that does not mean it did not happen. Denni☯ 20:19, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)
You ask if this is what Wikipedia is about, editors ignoring one another and reverting their edits all the time. Well this is certainly what it can be like on certain articles to which some editors bring a lot of emotion. I've been looking at your edits. My conclusion is that you are giving out the wrong signals, and bluntly failing to assume good faith in the case of Fadix (who is no angel himself).
On Torque's edits, I think you do yourself a disservice by failing to acknowledge that (whatever you think of the validity of his edits) he has launched some extreme personal attacks on Fadix, most of which I removed but you can see them in the history of the article. It also seems to be the case that Torque didn't actually make many article-space edits, and many of his other edits just seem to be rants against Fadix. He is certainly the kind of editor who tends to get labelled a problem user. You are not, but you are being treated like one.
The other reason Fadix is attacking you is that he thinks you should accept as established fact that the transportation of the Armenians during that period of warfare, in those conditions, amounted to a crime of genocide--the killing of people for reasons of race--and not try to brush it away by saying "but the Turkish point of view is that this is the kind of thing that happens in war" or whatever. He thinks you're trying to remove facts from the article--it may be that you have inadvertently changed emphasis in a way that has destroyed factual content in Fadix's eyes.
If the facts are on his side, you shouldn't complain. If they're on your side, you should be able to demonstrate this conclusively. He could not forever stop you adding relevant factual information to the article, for instance, even if it tended to contradict his beliefs. We're making an encyclopedia so if you can come up with relevant facts that contradict Fadix's point of view then he should let them into the article. If you restrict yourself to changing the emphasis then Fadix will simply assume that you're trying to erase facts. If you add facts then what can he do? If they're relevant, he'll have to accept (eventually) that you have made the article better. Of course there can be a lot of arguing about what is relevant, but your best bet here is to examine the work of historians on this. If a significant number of reputable historians say X or Y, well that tends to count for something.
But please stop the following. I speak bluntly because you will listen to me:
Complaining about people's behavior on your user page--where they cannot legitimately reply. If possible, don't complain about other people's behavior at all, just ask them politely what it is about your edits that's so wrong. And listen. If you listen, other people will listen to you. I think one of the problems with the stuff on your user page is that it gives a clear signal that you think you know everything and you're here to set things right, when this obviously isn't the case. You make the same mistakes everybody else does, but you encumber yourself with an aura of infallibility, setting yourself up as arbiter of the neutral point of view, when clearly you're no such thing.
Acting as if you're qualified to solve problems, mediate, or whatever. Like me, you're just another editor.
Yes I am an admin, but that just means I have a few more links on my Wikipedia pages and I'm held to a higher standard of behavior than other editors. It doesn't mean I can speak for Wikipedia any more than you or Fadix.
I think you should leave this article alone. Adam 07:44, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
On the article: I can suggest anything I please. You are free not to accept my suggestion.
On my website: When I say I created it, I do not of course mean I created it in a technical sense. I am not a website designer, and the site was professionally designed. What I meant was that I created the concept, I do all the research and compilation, and I upload all the data myself. Adam 08:31, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It's under construction. Adam 10:02, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ranks.
Actually, in my fascination with ranks, I've already read those, including rank insignia of the various NATO and other military units. :-) --Deathphoenix 16:47, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
When leaving posts on my User Page, please observe proper page format and use three "===" on either side of the message title post. A good way to do it is to hit "Show Preview" to ensure that your post is in line with the way the page is set up. Thanks. -Husnock 13:21, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I can't lock a page just because one person thinks it's going to get worse. They wouldn't be able to edit it then. If you have not succeeded in convincing people of your argument, and it's even got to the point where they're saying you're a troll, there's probably nothing you, personally, can do in the way of editing. Your edits would not pass consensus. But you could do is put the article up for WP:RFC or perhaps even peer review. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:24, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Are you telling that there is such a thing as Peer review? Then, why the hell, was the article not placed there in the first place? Is there historians there, so that Coolcat "shouting" of "biases" could stop once for all? Fadix 00:58, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Fadix, you are entitled to comment on Tony's comment here; it's a talk page, after all! — Davenbelle 01:56, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
This is MY talk page you TALK to me. You can TALK to TONY on HIS TALK page. As he is NOT likely to read what you post here.
You are welcome to post things that Involves talking to me.
This is my talk page use it to talk to me not to some one else.
If you want to say what I should do, don't make the same mistake yourself, you've been doing it on my own talkpage and elsewhere. Fadix 01:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I was talking to you not him on your user page, you are/were trying to get me banned. I on the other hand was trying to get an admins attention so they could intervene with your personal attacks.
Re: Clones...?
Hi Coolcat. If you suspect these users to be sockpuppets of one another (i.e. the same person, using multiple usernames) then the best course of action is to contact a developer by email, such as Tim Starling or Jamesday. They can determine if in fact that is the case. - Mark 01:18, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunately I don't have the time or skills to effectively mediate this disagreement. I posted on the talk page in an attempt to steer the discussion in a productive direction. There was far too much discussion about users and not enough about the article itself. I see that Fadix has listed some points that he disagrees with. I'd recommend responding to these points with evidence of why you believe they are valid or invalid points. The first step is to identify precisely what the disagreement is about. Until that is done, I doubt that consensus can be reached. Just keep your cool ;) and take a break if you start to get frustrated. Carbonite | Talk 00:35, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Talk
It is okay for other users to make comments to each other on my talk page. Please don't tick them off for doing so. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 07:21, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well, I am just trying to keep my talk, my talk page. I dont want their discussion to develope here interfereing with my communication with other people. I do not have such a discussion as the Armenian Genocide article is taking too much of my time. :(
Your templates
Your templates are nothing but an attempt to subvert the consensus. You wanted to redirect Abdullah Ocalan to Kurdistan Workers Party, and got NO support. Trying to accomplish the same thing through your templates is not acceptable. -- Curps 11:47, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It's not a sensible way to organize the two articles. There are many similar cases to this throughout Wikipedia (related but distinct topics), and templates are not used to duplicate large portions of text between two articles. -- Curps 12:10, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I agree that they're a little unorthodox. Coolcat, if you want to do things this way you have to obtain a consensus. You can't just ride roughshod over other editors and then complain when they express a dislike for your unorthodox use of template transclusion.
I think it's the point about consensus that you're neglecting most of all. Consensus means reaching an agreement as a group. You're full of innovative bold idea, and this is good, but you can't just keep throwing a sulk every time your ideas are rejected. If you learn to listen to what people say, they will listen to you and they will, I promise you, be willing to cooperate with the best of your ideas. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:15, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Stressed
I know your pretty stressed. But I still can't see how misspelling your name is insultive. Try to calm down and talk things over with Tony Sidaway. I think he's trying to get this whole thing sorted. Mgm|(talk) 12:26, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
They may well be, but look at the title of this page: User talk:Coolcat. Officially speaking it's your username and it sounds the same. Is there any hidden meaning to this I'm not getting? Mgm|(talk) 12:59, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
Coolcat, I know this is stressful but at bottom it's a content issue. We have a basic principle here that may help you: Assume good faith. If they have an issue with your attitude or your edits, make an effort to listen to what they're saying. Stop being defensive and insisting they're wrong and are behaving unreasonably, and accept that there is something about your behavior that has upset them. Then as a sign of your own good faith, stop doing whatever it is, and concentrate on gaining their trust. Believe me, a week or so spent listening to them will be a lot better for your wikistress than a week of battling to get edits done while they're just sitting around waiting to revert them.
What I'm saying is: be less quick to return attacks in kind. If you really, really want to dumbfound and impress people with your skills, start to listen to and respond to their criticisms. Believe me this will build up an incredible store of goodwill and make them more likely, in turn, to listen to you. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:59, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm not about to block editors over a series of content disputes. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I will somewhere in the future, but I'm currently working on Ancient Egypt articles. To be more specific, I'm trying to get Mummy complete enough to be a FAC. Sorry. Mgm|(talk) 12:44, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, since you are active in the article, I believe we can work together for a second time to merge lost of articles cluttering wikipedia. Us working together is very productive in my opinion. Since I know the wiki way I dont think we will have the "newbie friction". -- Catchi? 11:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't think I'm getting through to you.
Firstly, it was pretty rude to just archive all talk, even ongoing conversations. As another user has pointed out, it makes it look as if you want to suppress or hide something. It doesn't matter what your real intentions are (and I personally am sure there was no underhand intent), it's what people will think of your behavior that matters. Please be more considerate.
Secondly, I'm not convinced that there is any need to merge all of these articles. The current version of 2003 invasion of Iraq already has a lot of detail and is comparatively large. Merging other article in could not be done reasonably without some pretty severe editing, and also a loss of focus from the circumstances of the invasion and the events surrounding it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:52, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Nagorno Karabakh
The following resource describes this subject in full details:
Coolcat is not interested to mediate the Karabagh article, he want again to introduce his national biases in an Armeno-Turk related article. Fadix 21:03, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This conflicts with the wiki "Asume good failt"
talking: Listen
In order to talk effectively, first you need to listen. Listen to what people are saying, show them that you are listening. Everybody knows what your opinion is now, but you need to show that you are listening to criticism. You've not done anything bad, but you've still managed to annoy a lot of people. People are upset at you. You have to take that into account, and show that you're willing to change the way you work so as not to annoy them. When you've got used to listening to people, then you'll have a better idea of what to say and how to say it effectively. I mean this. Listen. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:45, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Read Davenbelle's answer. I second that. Stereotek 08:04, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Templates
Hello,
I deleted those templates. Using subpages in the article or template namespaces is discouraged and there's no general concencus to use templates to transclude overlapping text. Please try to get such a concensus on for example the village pump. In the mean time, I've moved the pages to your user space:
They don't have to be in the template namespace to be transcluded, so you can still do that from here. Be advised, you should give other users permission to edit those pages, so they don't think you are keeping the pages for yourself or trying to own them. Good luck! Mgm|(talk) 07:39, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
There is no consensus on trancluding subpages in a user's namespace into articles or talk pages either; this is unprecedented and unacceptable. Please discuss this before attempting it; discuss it not just with me, but with mav. — Davenbelle 09:05, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
I'm currently looking for info about purpoted (sp?) medicinal and magical powers of mummies in China and other countries. I'm purposely saving Egyptian burial rituals for a seperate article as I think they warrant their own article, so please don't include them in Mummy. I'd be happy if you started Egyptian burial rituals, though. Mgm|(talk) 07:58, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
Small note: It doesn't matter if you link to [[lung]]s or [[lung|lungs]] as it has the same effect. So there's no need to go change such links, unless linking in the first way causes spelling errors. Mgm|(talk) 13:10, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
Adam Carr
- As someone said to me a while back, he's like that to everybody. Dunno what his problem is, but he's a bit of a drama queen. Seems to take things personally and isn't keen on providing sources. Just stick to stuff you can prove and ask him for checkable sources and you should be right. Pete 05:06, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Don't you think that as an elite historian, he just might have enough of ignorants and their anti-elitist mentality on participating in subjects they know little about? Just a hypotheses. Fadix 00:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am sorry what happened in 1997 is not history. The S-300 crisis bothered a lot of people. Not Just the Turks. You dont buy AA missles from russia if you are a NATO member, you dont try to smuggle it either.
Everything I suggested is vaild. Some are just format siggestions, I have a rewording request and one clarification request on what happen to a trety.
Thank you for your kind welcome on Armenian Genocide. I don't think I will stay long, though. I appreciate your being extremely constructive and patient on those debates. I honestly admire your maturity to avoid all agression and provocation of Fadix and others. I noticed that Fadix was overly assertive and aggressive, so I decided to interrupt agressively to show theyself and the moderators that Fadix is not behaving appropriately. I am not sure how much it helped and honestly it is not doing good for my own health to face that kind of shamelessness and agression. So I don't think I will continue discussion, unless Fadix can achieve provocating me again. I hope my conclusions will be useful for you to clean the from Fadix's professional propaganda. It is a good thing being constructive and not being trapped into provocation, I also believe that you can do better for everybody if you go slowly.
Mr. Coolcat, for the interest of the entire Wikipedian community, why have you lied about you? Fadix 00:00, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well, In reality I am a CIA agent. If I tell you I have to kill you. Seriously speaking, I did not "lie" abou myself, I value my anonymity. Apperantly you don't with the level of personal information you've provided. Its the preferences we have in life. -- Catchi? 00:08, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
No Coolcat, you did lie. Why did you wanted people to believe you were not a Turk, when you are one? I just am trying to understand here. Fadix 00:10, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
According to place of birth, hospital records, passport, etc. I am not a Turk. According to my family tree I still not am a Turk. Even if I were that would change absolutely nothing. Your "investigation" of my identitiy is greatly NOT appriciated and do not call me Mr. Coolcat. Quit it, damn it even DAV can learn something so simple faster. -- Catchi? 01:36, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Mr. Coolcat, this has nothing to do with identity search, this has to do with trust of users... when discussing among us, I hope to trust the other user. You have claimed to not be a Turk, yet has claimed that the genocide is accusations against your encestors, you have used the term "Armanians" to refer to the Armenians in various occasions, a common mistake Turks make. You got involved in every entries involving directly or indirectly Turkey, and always editing in one direction. You have called the Armenian genocide theses as an "Armenian propaganda" while no one besides the Turks call it such. You have made claims only published in Turkish newspapers. And those are just few among many other things. Statistically speaking, again I repeat, there is more chances that I win the lottery than you not being a Turk, and I have shown you why first. How do you now expect that I believe that you are ready to change your positions in articles when you are mistaken, when you lie about something that you know others know. Fadix 14:08, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am not a Turk. Do not edit archives please. -- Catchi? 03:51, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dispute rsolution
I am afraid I'm going to decline your offer at this point. I already have a skilled Mediator, Danny, and to my knowledge, neither my advocate, Wally nor myself, nor Danny, nor Sam Spade have been issued with a request for a change. I am hopeful that Danny could attend to mediating the dispute soon. Also, you do not seem to be a member of the Mediation Committee, which is indicative a standard as per mediation skills – since I have never met you before and have no way to gauge on your abilities on that front (without expending time that, I, at the moment, do not have). Finally, who is Kevehs? I am not inclined to have him/her participate in the mediation since I have never heard of that individual until your brief announcement on my talk page. Best, El_C 05:41, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ill break Up the dispute for you guys.
Not comeete material but,
No I am not in the mediation comitee, I am being bold. I believe I have the skills. Best way to prove is impliment
I have seen two disputes with the same user, your counterpart. I assumed you guys were related. You are welcome to try me though, Danny may be over booked. ;) -- Catchi? 06:18, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I did not find your answer addressed my abovecited concerns to my satisfaction. As I said, Danny has formally accepted mediating this case, he is the current mediator. Best, El_C 06:39, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've broken the template seperately. Now you are two different things. Liks will stay avalible on my user:talk page.
I would prefer if you removed it as I don't wish for you to be the mediator in our dispute. Thanks. Hope you understand. Best, El_C 06:41, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Mediation request denied...
Is that really necessary? El_C 06:47, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Coolcat, I'm Wally, El C's advocate in the Sam Spade dispute. Sorry it has taken me a bit to speak to you.
I really appreciate your offer to mediate for us on this dispute — it shows the stuff that good Wikipedians are made of. At the moment we have to pass, as we've set up with the (notoriously-slow) MedCom a mediator to help us through it, who is unfortunately having personal problems at the moment that make him unable to take care of the issue. Until then we're trying just to let the thing simmer until we can get started again. As the mediator is one we've all already agreed upon, it's just easier to let that lie than to make a switch. However, should that for any reason change, chances are you'll be my first message.
I'm sorry not to have replied to (and thanked you for) your message and compliments; I've overstretched myself, and become badly behind keeping up with all my commitments (as well as occasionally casting an eye on the adminship process, which seems to take months when you're involved, and to fly by when you're not). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hello
Thanks for your interest, any special reason why you've decided to focus on cases involving myself? Unlike El_C I have no objection, and progress is good progress and all of that, so thanks. I like your idea for a ranking system BTW, but why should admins deserve special status? I've been here over a year and am ranked #42 in overall edits, w over 20,000 to all namespaces. I am also an AMA advocate with 3 successful arbitrations
along w countless instances of helping new users (have a look @ my
Archives sometime). Anyways, the idea interests me even if it does seem unbalanced in favor of admins. Cheers, (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 10:51, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
templates (your message of April 2)
Sorry for not replying sooner, I took a wikibreak. No, I didn't delete your templates; I reverted the pages that used them as per my previous messages, but did not delete the templates themselves. Looking at the delete log, I see they have been moved to User:Coolcat/Abdullah Öcalan and User:Coolcat/External links by User:MacGyverMagic. -- Curps 23:13, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Anon User on Star Trek
We have an anon user who is changing info on the Starfleet rank article. I have asked for a source and so far all the user has done is change back to his/her previous edits. Could be a problem. We should both watch it. -Husnock 01:26, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dispute Resolution
The link you have provided on my discussion page does not post to a page that has anything to do with me. After doing some research I have found that you seemed to think this was somehow a three way dispute, but I do not know EL C and my dispute with Sam has nothing to do with him. While I very much appreciate your offer, the request for mediation is a request that, according to the policy of the mediation page, is made of those on the mediation committee. Given that you are not on that committee, and that you are currently involved in what appears to be a very hostile arbitration with another user, I would have to assume this is more of an informal attempt to mediate this dispute. I appreciate the effort, but my hopes for a positive outcome in this case are slim as is, and I believe that a formal process has a better chance of success given the proven records of the mediators in question. I also appreciate your attempt to be bold and help others work through their disputes, and I wish you luck in that endeavor. Kev 01:52, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Merging isn't just putting the text in the article. It needs to be placed and rephrased so it fits the text already there. Also, it could simply be no one came by to merge it yet. I'll see if I can do something. (BTW, this would be one of those jobs that's perfect for the new Wikipedia:Cleanup Taskforce.) Mgm|(talk) 08:57, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
I guess it was easier than I thought. Well done. Mgm|(talk) 09:03, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
Ranking
I'm not too thrilled with Barnstars, either, but at least they are entirely positive. I would have no objection to creating certain levels of privilege where needed for process-oriented purposes (i.e. a level above admins that can do certain tasks now relegated to developers, or defining a level of newbie that cannot yet move articles), but I am entirely sincere in saying that if Wikipedia starts ranking its editors for the sake of ranking, I will resign on principle.
What do you do with someone like Everyking, who is a generally great editor but drives everyone batty with his Ashlee Simpson obsession? Or with Nanahuatzin, who contributes generally useful material written in non-native English that always needs major editing? Or any of several, who will remain nameless, who are knowledgable, but POV warriors. Etc. I don't us to have to think about how to rank these sorts of things, or decide how they compare. And I don't want anyone judging me on these matters, except insofar as there is a need to judge whether I am capable of discharging a particular responsibility. I feel strongly enough about this that I will not want to be part of this organization if it starts creating a hierarchy that so inherently judges people. - Jmabel | Talk 20:37, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
The rating system looks a bit funny in Firefox, although that could just be because you put it in tables --Munchkinguy 00:55, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't want to have the news included; I don't do anything in that field much, but I'd be happy to use some of the borders you made. :) Mgm|(talk) 07:22, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Deletion and boxes
I can delete that page for you. I haven't read that red box yet, so I can't really comment on it. Mgm|(talk) 07:38, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Cool page
I like your changes. In case your not aware, were accepting new positions @ Spade & Archer. Just thought you might like to know.
I probably should've made it an Fact of the Week. It's too much of a pain to update manually, maybe another bot is in order, but I certainly think it's useful, it can draw attention to all those articles that aren't allowed in DYK. Feel free to update it :) Mgm|(talk) 08:01, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
Stars
Thanks, and sorry not to have got back to you sooner; things have been amazingly hectic recently, on and off Wikipedia. I thought it more modest to put the small versions on my page; they look rather sweet, though. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:22, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Kurdistan
We agreed to a lot of things which we no longer, may I ask why? Why was "Kurdish seperatists" removed? It isnt exactly controversial as you suggested.
Hello. Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean here. What do we no longer agree about? I don't remember removing a reference to Kurdish separatists. Which edit do you have in mind? Iota 16:54, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You wrote:
lets work on the articles related to Kurds and Turkey together as I have been declared "a chronic POV pusher whose edits must be reverted", I need your confirmation in matters.
That seems like a good suggestion. I'll take a look at some of those articles when I get the chance but they're not my primary interest on Wikipedia so it may take a while. Iota 18:13, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
My talkpage
Do not edit other people's comments on my talkpage. If you want something removed because you think it is a personal attack ask me and if it's a reasonable request I'll do it for you. You are not entitled to edit another person's talkpage in this way. Iota 02:11, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've never addressed you as "Mr Coolcat" nor would I. You'll notice that I've struck through the word Mr, like this Mr, in the heading created by Davenbelle. This is the best way to deal with personal attacks in my opinion because it shows that they are not acceptable while keeping a record of what was originally written. I can understand why you are annoyed at the name calling. It's a bit childish. But please go about things in the right way. It's not acceptable to interfere with other people's talkpages and you'll annoy people if you do it. You also wrote:
The articles related to Kurds are under attack by two users as you can see from history, I do not know what they are trying to prove, but I will not allow the neutrality of these articles comprimised
Have you actually looked at the few small edits I've made to the article today? I don't think any of them could be characterised as an "attack" on the article. And please don't make accusations against people just because you disagree with their edits.
I'm not interested in getting into bickering or creating a bad atmosphere because I think we've communicated constructively in the past. But interfering with my talkpage and comments like "I do not know what they are trying to prove" are not constructive. Iota 02:33, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh right. Stupid of me to misunderstand. Iota 02:38, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Your message
I don't know about User:Davenbelle, but I've generally found that User:Stereotek is reasonable if one stay calm and engages with the issues fairly. I'll have another look at the edits, but I'm afraid this is all part of the Wikipedia experience. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:04, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm glad to hear that the debate has coooled — but doesn't that mean that arbitration isn't needed now? Has the page been put on RfC? I'm copy-editing it now, which should help to give me a clearer idea of what's going on. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:52, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You're getting over-heated again; talk of hurting other editors, even if meant metaphorically, is not advisable. I note that there's already a request for arbitration, incidentally. Do you really want another?
You said "Stereotek and Davenbelle, are still reverting my edits". Well I looked at what you're doing on Kurdistan Workers Party and I'm not surprised. If I were editing that page I'd do the same myself, because you're removing external links for bogus reasons, saying for instance "I cannot allow PKK's main web page on this article, that is like putting Al-Qaeda's main web page, which likely is no longer there after CIA is done with it". We are supposed to describe all significant points of view, and an external link to the PKK website is an excellent reference for our description of their point of view. I don't think you yet fully understand NPOV. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:04, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Tony; User:Coolcat, you really should listen to Tony. — Davenbelle 22:28, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
You should really stop telling me to listen to people. I am capable of reading even when I am not told to do so, thanks. -- Catchi? 02:21, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
As you can see this needs to stop, I recommend locking that page. How many edits are vandal, anti vandal? [2]
On the face of it, it seems that the vandalism on that page is relatively infrequent and is being reverted efficiently. What else do you think needs to be done? How would protecting the page help? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:32, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well its a disambig page, does not change, ever. why not lock it? :P -- Catchi? 10:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
To assume that it would never change in future would not be very wiki-ish. The name is not particularly uncommon and other encyclopedic George Bush's may appear at any time. Someone could make a movie called "George Bush", or write a biography with that title, or even a novel, and a new disambiguation line would beed to be added to lead to the article about that new item. Also someone could decide to move the page to George Bush (disambiguation) and create a new George Bush article in its place that is a link to one or other of the Georges, or even move George W. Bush or George H. W. Bush to George Bush--a primary topic disambiguation. This is unlikely in this case because there are two famous US Presidents with the name George Bush, but it is the kind of thing that is often done, and one day the two-term son may so totally eclipse his one-term father that it may be the right thing to do. So that editors can be bold in this way and many other ways, we like to keep the Wiki as open as possible at all times. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:04, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
If you insist. -- Catchi? 11:20, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I do. We try to leave as much as possible up to the editors so they can decide content issues by consensus. Empowering the editors is the secret ingredient of the Wiki. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:39, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I re-deleted this template after reading that it had been previously deleted. However, it does not look like this went through the proper Wikipedia:Templates for deletion process. I have notified the original tagger, who will most likely list it there; you will be able to debate its eligibility on that page when it is listed. Cheers. DropDeadGorgias(talk) 17:22, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
In the future, if you have any questions about a deletion you can use Special:Log/delete, where you can search by a page's name to see when it was deleted and which admin executed the deletion. You can find that under the "Special pages" menu. --DropDeadGorgias(talk) 18:00, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
13:00, Apr 11, 2005 Mel Etitis deleted "Template:Kurdistan/Pictures" (non-template use of template; orphan)
I'd have to agree with them. Putting pictures in a template subpage isn't a proper use for templates. Firstly, subpages are discouraged within the article and template namespaces. Secondly it's a orphan image gallery. It wouldn't be of any use template wise as it drops all the pictures below each other in an article when used without regard for the text or layout.
In short, I'm not really sure why you put them in that location. Can you clarify? Mgm|(talk) 19:21, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
It was me; you really should let this idea go. — Sgt.Davenbelle 18:00, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
Re your recent message soliciting support: sorry, I still think it's a terrible idea, although I'm sure you meant well and obviously put a lot of thought and effort into it. Dpbsmith(talk) 12:03, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I'm responding to the request you made at my talk page on your rankings proposal, but firstly I'd like to say that I think you are (or should be) a valued contributor. The idea that "everybody hates you", is, I think and I hope, quite wrong. Sometimes in such situations a "pile-up" mentality develops that can be, well, painful for the one on the bottom. I applaud you for having the ingenuity to make your proposal in what is clearly a good-faith attempt to improve Wikipedia. Good faith, so long as you have it, is the most important thing, and I think you've exhibited it so far and responded quite properly to what criticism you have received. Just at all times remember that an attack on your proposal is in no way an attack on you.
In regards to your clarifications, I thought I'd lay out my thoughts.
You've said that the proposal is not a hierarchy - with respect, that's exactly what it is. Any progression along a scale of predetermined "promotion points" creates a hierarchy.
Secondly, as far as the voluntary nature of the thing, I think that several users have already covered the problem on the talk page there. Essentially, the problem is, if you do make it optional, it means either a small, rather silly-looking, clique who takes the whole thing seriously versus a mass of bemused outsiders, or on the other hand, a majority cabal that vigorously embraces the rankings and looks down on people who don't participate. In any case, it's rather a stark division. If the scheme is voluntary, it just loses the elements of predictability and uniformity that I would assume were its motivations in the first place.
You seem to think the subjective nature of barnstars is an undesirable thing. While I can understand why that view might come about, my position as elaborated on the project talk page is that it is essential that the assignment of barnstars remain a personal, subjective thing. Otherwise, it interferes with the two vitally important aspects of the project: openness to outsiders (in that a barnstar isn't a pre-requisite for status: plenty of good users don't have or don't like them, yet they're still respected), and the collegiate nature of the community, where people stand on their own record as contributors rather than the number of barnstars or plaudits they receive.
The big, central problem with basing it on contributions is that it gives a weight to contributions that they really shouldn't have. Frankly, it's stupid to be obsessing about people's contributions relative to each other; it doesn't even mean anything anyway, since a billion minor edits are not necessarily more valuable than one, comprehensive, well-worked rewrite.
My point is that it really doesn't matter what form the project takes, since its objective (uniform, predictable rankings based on things such as edit counts) is basically harmful rather than helpful. So long as that's the general sort of idea behind it, any kind of permutation is likely to be found unacceptable by the Wikipedia community.
Hi Coolcat. At risk of succumbing to the "pile-on" mentality he mentioned, I'm going to have to agree with just about everything that Slac said. I believe you made a good-faith proposal, and I agree that it is worthwhile to recognize significant contributors to the Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I also believe that any set of formal criteria and rankings are vulnerable to abuse or plain old bad feelings.
I suspect that most Wikipedians would appreciate a personal note on their talk page (or a barnstar, where appropriate) when they've done good work. I don't think that it would be helpful for people to be thinking, "If I can crank out an extra hundred edits, I'll be able to add another pip to my rank insignia."
Well, I can see the exploits, we have discussed methods to cover those. I am open for suggestions. Before project dies, I want to make it as "good" as posible :)
Hi Cool Cat. Sorry, I still don't agree. Ranking of any sort (except for Jimbo) is hopelessly against the ideals of Wikipedia. There are forums that encourage ranking, and I've followed my own ranking on these forums. The very presence of the ranking system, voluntary or not, shows that Wikipedia supports this. I can see some people who use the ranking system using five or six edits to do something that would take the average contributor one or two edits. There are, of course, other problems with this ranking system, but I don't want to sound like a broken record. This is not an attack on you by any means, because I really see you as a good faith editor and a valuable contributor. But I am dead set against this idea, and it appears my opinion is not in the minority. --Deathphoenix 13:40, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I value views, even views that oppose me, in fact more. I have issues with people who in my opinion vandalise the project, you are by no means anyhting like that. :) -- Catchi? 14:13, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Coolcat. :) I can see this is a very contentious issue, so I would rather stay out of it. As I state on my user page, I consider all edits that I personally make to Wikipedia to be in the public domain, so you may place the Tote the Ranks thing anywhere you would like. Best regards, func(talk) 16:42, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Copy from my talk page:
This is not suggesting a hierarcal system.
It will be used only by users who want to use it.
Only ranking will be assigend to users who want to use it.
The idea ment to make it like barn stars, but based on regular contribution.
It is currently a prototype, likely that it is nothing like the final version.
I urge you to reconsider your vote based on this clarification. Thanks -- Catchi? 08:41, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
One by one:
This is not suggesting a hierarcal system.
It had me fooled. You know, with the name "rankings", and the levels, and the pseudo-military insignia, and all the trappings of hierarchy with nothing to suggest otherwise.
It will be used only by users who want to use it.
Only ranking will be assigend to users who want to use it.
And how many users want to use it? Two? Three? If they want to award each other meaningless ranks that nobody else cares about, they don't need a WikiProject.
The idea ment to make it like barn stars, but based on regular contribution.
Barnstars are an entirely informal method of congratulating Wikipedians who do good work. They're slightly silly, but they're positive, and they're harmless, and they don't suggest a hierarchy in any way. This system is also silly, but if used would be harmful (there's quite enough rank-pulling already, mostly by sysops), and it does suggest a hierarchy, your protests notwithstanding.
It is currently a prototype, likely that it is nothing like the final version.
Which means nothing if the whole idea is misguided, as I believe it is.
Hi Cool Cat. I've looked over the points you make on my talk page. I apologize, but I can't change my vote. I do see your point. You want a better way to recognize the great heroes of wikipedia, and I can surely appreciate that. Call me alarmist, though, but I just worry about the potential abuses of the system, that it'll make wikipedia into a pissing contest. Sorry. --InShaneee 18:48, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Like the others, I have nothing against you, and harbor no personal resentments against you regarding the Rankings project. However, I object to the project because it certainly does suggest hierarchy, which I feel goes against the Wikipedia communal spirit. --Andy M. 19:04, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Same here. Rankings are inherently and inescapably hierarchical. Insignia or other indicators of rank are likely to be intimidating to newbies. Thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia, but this is not the way. FreplySpang(talk) 00:48, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've looked over your message, but decided not to change my vote. Essentially, it seems like it would at least introduce a risk of hierarchy (not that it would necessarily lead to one), and I think the benefits would be very small, indeed largely intangible. Please don't take it personally, but I just don't feel this is in WP's best interest. Yours, Meelar(talk) 18:31, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
Don't let rude people get you down. They don't mean it personally, it's just that sometimes it's very easy to forget that there's a real person with real feelings on the other side of the computer. As far as I'm concerned, you've been showing a great deal of dignity by your stoic perseverance in the face of their words. – ClockworkSoul 03:47, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Coolcat. It seems that there is a substantial consensus now that your first Rankings proposal isn't something the Wikipedia community is comfortable with. Perhaps you might be better off to start fresh—propose something new that doesn't have the baggage of the first proposal associated with it. You might also consider presenting new ideas through Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals; it strikes me as a sensible forum for that type of discussion. Don't get disheartened. Happy editing, --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 15:12, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
(Response to comments on my talk page) The impression I get from the comments is that most editors seem reasonably content—if not necessarily copletely satisfied—with the very informal system of barnstars and related awards. Most editors have a finite amount of time to contribute to Wikipedia, so asking them to contribute a substantial amount of time to radically revise a project that they feel isn't helpful isn't likely to work. If you would like to develop a new system of awards, then you're probably going to have to sketch out most of the lines yourself...there doesn't seem to be a perceived need among much of the community.
If you can come up with something that appeals to a substantial fraction of editors, then you'll no doubt have lots of people clamoring to edit and revise—but coming up with the basic framework is something you'll probably have to do on your own or with a kernel of dedicated volunteers. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 16:46, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi - I'm trying to help chase down how various articles end up with wholesale duplication (see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#duplicate_content_in_articles) and there was an
instance of this a few minutes ago from a diff attributed to you. Do you happen to remember exactly what happened? Did you encounter an edit conflict window? If so, do you remember exactly what you did? Thanks. -- Rick Block 14:40, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I be damned
You are actualy thinking Fadix does not use personal attacks against me? I try to stay civil, I can only handle a level of insults. I cannot mediate this crap, Fadix will stop his insistance on HIS/Someone elses pov regarding Armenian Genocde and deal with me in a civil tone. Cool CatMy Talk 15:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am the one declared pulic enemy no 1, its perfectly fine to have material that makes Kurds or Armenians look good, their propoganda and POV are fine, no one has to show sources for their beefed up statistics, or information they add unless they are Coolcat, which I do, still is POV. Dont, tell me to chill. I am perfectly calm. I think its unjust what I am living through. -- Catchi? 15:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
They intercept my communications to other users, they comment on their talk page about my "bad conduct" they go great lenghts to find my "POV". I feel like a POW rather than POV-pusher. I should not be the person seeking mediation, they are. I backed donw from a lot of facts of mine. I constantly back down they constantly engage. Them agreeing with me on anything is un heard of. I have to revert something a dozen times for them to accept it. They are wasiting my time. -- Catchi? 15:15, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't just *think* Fadix uses personal attacks against you, I *know* he does. I agree that you're being treated unfairly. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Define personal attacks please. Fadix 17:12, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about? "It's perfectly fine to have material that makes Kurds or Armenians look good, their propoganda and POV are fine,"
What kind of mentality is this? It is a damn encyclopedia, it has nothing to do with "looking good" and this is purely offensive, in the same line as your message as trying to picture a population as not entirely innocent etc. Do everything possible to get people angry at you, and then, tell how unjustfuly you are treated.
We interrupts your communication with other users? Look dude, you go cry to every users to try to get them against members, you've been doing this from the beginning, starting with BM and the way you've turned him against me, when he had no clue of what was happening. You don't expect me to sit there and cross my fingers wishing that those users that have no clue will just won't turn against a member that they didn't even knew the existence of before(me).
Maybe it is time for you to take vacation from the articles involving Turkey, there are many nationalist Turks that already POV push, like those that try to claim Trow habitants were Turks, or members like Tabib. You are not the only one, there are many that will gladly take your place. Fadix 17:09, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to call your attention to this. — Davenbelle 23:20, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
This is not about interfering with arbitration; it is a request, originating with an ArbCom member, for a short summary of the complaints; Tony has prepared one, that includes your view. You initiated this case, and, if I may be so bold, should at least respond. — Davenbelle 23:47, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
Cat, David Gerard asked if all parties, including you, could agree on a brief description of what the allegations being made are--not whether they're true, but whether they're being alleged. This will help them to make sense of all the babble and decide whether there is a case that needs their involvement. I'm openly pushing for them to recommend earlier stages in dispute resolution and I'm fairly sure that will be the outcome of this application. The others think it's gone too far but they probably don't have my experience with arbcom cases. As you're all communicating and aren't being deliberately abusive (though you're all being uncivil to one another) it seems likely to me that a good honest go at mediation will help you all to see eye to eye. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:54, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
They declare my edits as POV and never bother to read talk, do not expect me to be nice to them. They are being silly rude and I have been patient with them long enough. Ill work on arbitration. -- Catchi? 00:08, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Note that my communication with fadix is different. -- Catchi? 00:09, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Wetman
What are your experiences with Wetman? He seems to be a troll, and is causing some problems for me. I want to know if others are sharing this experience. RK 01:11, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
Yes I checked it first; it does not meet the definition of vandalism. Please move the dispute to a more appropriate page. Jayjg (talk) 03:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
real people
what? These are real people? I just thought they were some kind of Turing automata. unigned User Talk:151.207.240.3 11:59, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I notice right off that the first group has 4 curves where the second group has right angles
I look closer and notice the second group's ball has a barely noticeable something under it.
I look at the source and see that one is supposed to be red and the other is supposed to be gold. I can't tell which is which without checking the source.
I'm red green color blind and your method of identifying (officers from nonofficers ?} doesn't work for me. Just thought you'd like to know. At night green traffic lights are white to me, while in the sunlight the red traffic light looks broken (I see diminished red, among other things) 4.250.27.129 18:53, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Red is the command uniform in the serries. Engineering is Gold background. Science is greenish. Etc.. I can pu them with those backgorunds. Whould that help?
Big blue box at top of this page
Perhaps it might be nicer to write that in positives, rather than negatives. Hmmm, in fact, check out Wikipedia:Simplified Ruleset (shameless plug ;-), Perhaps you might want to use that instead! :-) Kim Bruning 21:53, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Nato ranks
Haven't been working on it. Kind of stuck with that regard, as I don't really know where to go. I have also been working on the airport template. Burgundavia 05:50, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
FYI
I noticed that your 'Masterpeice 3' Diagnosis Murder, has been removed as a copyvio. In the future, please, do not submit copyrighted work without permission. Stereotek 19:52, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
...
I have been constantly harrased, pursuied, annoyed by Stereotek, Davenbelle, and Fadix. Since no one will end this I hereby leave wikipedia. This is not a friednly community for me currently. Depending on the desicion of arbitration comitee I may return. -- Catchi? 00:06, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Coolcat, I'm sorry to see that you're leaving. Drop me a line if you decide to visit or come back. silsor 01:39, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
If you feel you're being harrassed, you could always ditch this account, start a new one, and stay far away from your old articles. silsor 16:12, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
I think Ill stick with very limited contribution. -- Catchi? 09:03, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed that a large part of the article that you call 'Masterpeice 2', GAP Project, is a copy-paste/possible copyvio from [3]. I just removed the offending content. Stereotek 08:06, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sure use proper median to report it. -- Catchi? 08:18, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The content it obviously copy/pasted from the webpage that I provided. If you want it to remain here on Wikipedia, you must provide evidence that we can legally publish it under the GNU Free Documentation License. Stereotek 08:39, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I provided the website where you copy/pasted it from. Did you ever notice this?: "By submitting your work you promise you wrote it yourself, or copied it from public domain resources — this does not include most web pages." Anyway, in what way has I "threatened" you? Stereotek 08:47, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
fyi, I listed it as a possible copyvio. — Davenbelle 09:01, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
Yes work together, find ways to remove all my content. I own rights for those. -- Catchi? 09:08, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Of course, and I am a supporter of WP:NPA. I was just trying to point out that there are two different schools of thought to responding to attacks, namely Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks (which advocates removal) and Wikipedia:Talk page#Standards and conventions of writing and layout (which advocates that "as a rule, refrain from editing others' comments without their permission"). Given the sensitivities of the article in question, and given that there is currently a request for arbitration, I merely thought that it might be safer to avoid editing other people's comments, at least in order for ArbCom to get the full picture should they accept the case. --bainer 13:37, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Stop being silly, do you have some sort of sick wet dream to stare at a dead naked woman? Or do you enjoy staring at dead chineese? Not everyone likes to see the pictures, but people can read."diff — Davenbelle 06:47, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
Not quite
I dont see that as a personal attack, you are welcome to fill a complaint though. Please stop reverting a topic which you are not a part of the discussion. There are things we agreed in the disucssion(s) and agreements long before I arrived at the article. Ignoring concensius is not good practice and waistes my and your time. -- Catchi? 06:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well I see it as an entirely obvious one; and I note that you archived your talk page within minutes of my first posting it here. — Davenbelle 07:03, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
I archive it whenever I wish, I dont have to archive either. -- Catchi? 07:06, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've deleted copivio versions of this article. Please don't add copyvio material without getting permission first. (I didn't see any permission granted in the talk page emails, correct me if I'm wrong).
Also, don't remove copyvio notices from pages that include copyright violations. Thanks --Duk 16:27, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OK, with regards to the statement You can add it if you like in the talk page; who is this from, when was it recieved, and to which website does it refer?
Add this information to the talk page, so the person clearing copyvios (me at the moment) can understand what is going on, and I'll restore the paragraph in question. thanks --Duk 01:05, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PS. it looks like your waiting for a permission on a second website but haven't gotten it yet, is this right?--Duk 01:05, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PPS. you noted...How do you expect me to prove it?. I'm not asking you for proof, and I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I just need better notes on the talk page to understand which website you got permission from. --Duk 01:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, seems like some images disturb some parties. I think we can sove this by something like this project. -- Catchi? 04:38, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You suggest that, for instance, the picture displayed at Clitoris should be censored in some way. It's been discussed at length before, and the consensus is that such pictures should be shown inline and no warning messages should be displayed. Basically, we expect our readers to act like grownups and not look at pictures they don't like. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
If you click on the "disclaimers" link on any page on Wikipedia, you'll see this warning:
General disclaimer - Use Wikipedia at your own risk - Wikipedia does not give medical advice - Wikipedia does not give legal opinions - Wikipedia contains spoilers and content you may find objectionable
The last part is linked to the content disclaimer which says, amongst other things:
Wikipedia contains many different images, some of which are considered objectionable or offensive by some readers. For example, some articles contain graphical depictions of violence, or depictions of human anatomy.
Every single Wikipedia article contains the disclaimer link
What I and quite a few other editors do not want to see is the intrusion of such warnings into the text of the encyclopedia, to the detriment of article quality. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:39, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well you say this is about caring about people, but the examples you give are absurd: people who faint at the sight of blood and whatnot. We can't go around censoring an encyclopedia just because some people are of what used to be described as a "nervous disposition." The important thing is that the articles should be well written and well illustrated. People who don't like looking at pictures don't have to download them, let alone look at them. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:01, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You write Any web site you go where pictures of dead people are present you see warnings. Well you can certainly argue that this should be the case. What you cannot say is that this is the case:
Don't use falsehoods and invalid generalizations to argue your case. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:12, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
They don't have much influence and their judgement was shown to be suspect during the arbcom application. I think this idea for censoring images shows you doing really good work--defending an innovative idea and by doing so forcing people to think about why they reject it. That I disagree with it is not a problem--I disagree with many other editors on a lot of points but this does not mean I don't respect them.
You've had a rather hard time, and attracted an unwanted entourage of anti-fans, but you have potential to be a really great editor. Please don't go. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:44, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi CoolCat. I would urge you to not take these things personally. You've made many constructive and helpful edits to Wikipedia, and I see by the barnstar on your User page that they've been gratefully acknowledged by the community.
People on Wikipedia propose policies all the time. Sometimes they're rejected by the community; occasionally that rejection is a bit...terse. In this case, the issue of restricting access to images on Wikipedia has come up many times before, so some of the more senior editors are perhaps a bit tired of addressing the same questions over and over. (For example, the question of graphic violence came up on Templates for Deletion a couple of weeks ago.)
Don't be discouraged because a few of your ideas haven't been enthusiastically accepted. Listen to what other people are saying; learn from their suggestions. If you want to create new policy, the best place to start may be the Village Pump; you can sound out the community before creating a full-blown Wikiproject. Cheers, TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 14:48, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Flags
So you been to the Vatican but not to Italy, strange? --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 08:00, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have lived in Italy for 2 years. I see it as a "culture exposed" rather than a mere visit.
Ahh i missed it in the line above. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 08:14, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Nagorno Karabakh (by Alberto Laija)
I read the article on Nagorno Karabakh, and personally found it very objective, neutral and accurate.
I understand that this is a very controversial topic (maybe only the Israel-Palestinian conflict can be more controversial)
I think the article should remain as it is, and only updated when relevant events occur.
Given present the facts on that region, and as it was accurately stated (Intransigence on both parts)it's to be forecasted that Status Quo will prevail for a considerable time.
Deletewhy
If it's a redirect then redirect it insted of just copying it over. Also you might want to use Template:db if you are frustrated by a lot of typing. Cheers! BrokenSegue 01:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi there. I noticed you listed Peggy Kerry as a candidate for speedy deletion, but that's really reserved for nonsense articles. The article was already on VfD, and that's where it belongs. Thanks, Mackensen(talk) 05:14, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Speedy templates and VfD
Hi there! It's not so cool to slap speedy templates on articles already on VfD. Just let the VfD discussion run its due course, there ain't no hurry. Lupo 07:26, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
changing Sikth member articles to redirects
I noticed you changed these pages to redirects. Please do not do so at this time. The Vfd notice clearly says to not blank the page or remove the notice while the Vfd is in progress, and you did both of these things.
Also the consensus of the Vfd is right now to speedy delete without any redirect, so if you were going to be bold you would ideally have carried through the speedy nominations. I have now done this myself.
Please be aware of the dangers of your actions, you could well be seen as subverting or even defying the Vfd process. Thank you for your time. Master Thief Garrett 23:26, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Solana
Thank you for your help at Javier Solana. The disputants have been referred to advocacy for resolution, and we no longer require an outside mediator. Thanks! KC9CQJ 04:08, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
British Ranks
Hey, you should check out your page edit on the enlisted british ranks, there's a problem with the formatting =p Melsith 05:46, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
May
Editing My Post
This is getting out of hand. Why are you editing my post on your poll? You actually said that you designed the internet and I have repeatedly told you not to edit my posts. Please stop now. AngryParsley 21:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I told you why I dont want it in my user space. Catchi? 05:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
It works properly and perfectly. Its aligned improperly slightly. Why dont you do something else for a day come back tommorow and see what I got? Allow me to write the article. I am writing this article from scratch. I have basis for my arguments. Catchi? 12:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
It didn't work perfectly when I checked. I've commented it out for now. (note: not removed, commented). I have also added a section to the talk page for disputed facts. I've tried to remain not NPOV, but I have stated articles that I have come accross in my reading, I encourage you to do the same. I have I've acknowledged (and contrary to my initial intentions) that i've posted an article that contains "kurd" in the header, please note however that this article is not particularly pro-kurd or pro-pkk, at least in my estimation (especially in the context of the disputed "fact"). I urge to to remove this if you wish in the interest of keeping further references in the spirit of the original suggestion (i.e. without "kurd" or "turk"). You'll note I added a URL that suggests that the accusation of the murder of teachers is a correct accusation. Please take the time to write for the enemy. :) - FrancisTyers03:19, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Categories on user pages
Would you mind deactivating the categories on your user pages? In particular, User:Coolcat/P142 has a number of "live" categories that result in your page appearing in lists of articles. Categories can easily be deactivated by dropping a bracket or by adding a colon in front of the word "category". Thanks, -Willmcw 09:53, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
My most sincere apologies, I wasnt paying attention to categories. Fixed. Catchi? 11:55, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Not to worry. It's an easy mistake to make, especially when copying in an article to edit. Lots of us have done it too. Thanks for fixing it so quickly. Cheers, -Willmcw 18:18, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
I have just been to the Armenian Genocide Talk Page. It is quite a long page and I have not read all of it, but I find it unusual that your comments are littered throughout. You must be very passionate about your beliefs. How did you form these beliefs? What evidence did you use? If you are very passionate that an entire nation are manking up the idea that their ancestors were murdered, raped, and tortured, then you must either have some evidence to the contrary or a personal/patriotic motive. I would be very interested to hear what you have to say. --User:Drchessman 08:53, 4 May 2005 (unsigned/uncategorised)
For one, no one is claiming the whole thing is fictional. I know the Turks are sensative about its classification. My words littering the article does not conflict with this. If you want to discuss the matter further notify me in my talk page. I havent suggested much just got insulted so far. Thanks. Catchi? 15:15, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
You seem to be having a little trouble with this page. Templates may not be the best route by which to build a table. Some users may be irate. I don't have a strong opinion, but I have technical skills and I can preserve the content before the use of templates falls under attack. Would you like me to help? — Xiong熊talk* 01:32, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
And thanks from me too. I normally keep these up to date, but ran out of time recently. However, POTD selections are made from the list of Wikipedia:Featured pictures (usually in the order in which they get elected from WP:FPC). I've now replaced your selections for the next couple of days to fit in with the normal pattern. - Solipsist06:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What is the pattern? Catchi? 23:10, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
However, we are not yet promoting more than 7 new FPs a week (unlike Featured Articles), so we have to reuse older pictures. To spread things out, I'm currently alternating one new, then one old. The old pics are selected in the order of an earlier Pic of the Day archive — checking that the pic hasn't been delisted in the mean time. We are currently nearing the end of Wikipedia:Picture of the day/June 2004. -- Solipsist07:35, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Categories at RfA
I removed the subheds because (1) they are counter to the long-established style of the page; and (2) they explode the size of the TOC and make the individuals hard to find among the visual spam. -- Cecropia | explains it all ®20:56, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Spelling
Hi! I see you created a model on commons: "Millitary Insignia". But shouldn't it be rather spelled "Military Insignia" (only one "l" at "Military")? Med23:00, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Coolcat - just found out about these. They would be great - if not for one tiny little detail. They automatically assume that all countries have geo-stub categories. They don't - only about 1/3 of countries do, for the simple reason that for many small countries, it is easier to group countries together into one category. Because of this, if people start using your new template, a lot of stubs are going to end up uncategorised (and therefore out of reach of casual editors). Unless all countries get separate geo-stub categories (which would mean that some countries would have a category with only one or two stubs), it's probably going to cause more trouble than it's worth. Sorry, because in principle it's a good idea - it's just that reality has fallen a bit short this time! Grutness|hello?06:07, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If you can get me the list of countries categorised together I can create a slightly more complicated template and subtemplates to compensate for this. - there is a list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types, but - to be honest - I wonder whether it's worth the effort. It seems a lot of work to go to, and the result doesn't actually reduce the work that editors will be doing, or make it easier to remember what to code. What's more, there are still concerns with the servers about the use of metatemplates (which this basically is) and the use of icons such as flags on heavy-use templates (and consideriing how many US and UK stubs there are, those flags will be on a LOT of articles!). This is why the icons have disappeared from a lot of stub messages. Also, the list changes regularly and frequently when new Wikiprojects come along or when a country reaches the point where a separate category looks viable, so the new stub template would have to continually be revised and tweaked (as far as country-geo-stubs are concerned, for instance, I've recently gone through all the countries that have yet to get their own stub categories, counting how many stubs are listed for each (the result is at User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying) - there are about four countries that could well be split off very soon, if there is enough call for it from groups associated with editing these countries). Grutness|hello?00:52, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Original Research
Coolcat, a lot of your work is appreciated in Star trek but it borders on Original Research. Adding ranks that have never appeared in the show, anda re simply based on the theories of fans, is not justifible. Your recent article on the Comparative Ranks and Insignia of Star Trek bears serious looking as to source material. Also, I had to remove your admiral insignia from Ranks and insignia of Starfleet sicne I think you'll agree the insignia you put on the page never actually appeared in Star Trek. Please take a look at what you're doing and remember the rules of "No original research". I appreciate most of your work and would ahte to see some of your articles get deleted. -Husnock03:25, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the article will stay, but will need some serious revamping. Did you copy the whole thing off another site? We also need to determine where the rank pips came from for the other races. No hard feelings here, we just need to do whats right and keep Wiki free on conjectured articles with no sources. -Husnock05:31, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a fast way to transfer images like so? I got most of my NATO ranks at en, want to move them to commons. I knowA I can simply reupload but thats very time consuming... :( For such a transfer do you know anybody who could help? Thanks Catchi? 17:00, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I like what you are doing with the NATO rank pages. However, I do feel what fits nicely on one page might not suit another, and that your replacements on British Army officer rank insignia and British Army enlisted rank insignia (which I reverted) and perhaps also the U.S. Army officer rank insignia (& Enlisted) pages, were not as aesthetically pleasing (ok that's POV) but more to the point, they were not best fitted in the page layout. They were also confusing when they said there was no officer designate or student officer equivalent. There may be no distinctive insignia in each case, but, aside from OF(D) in the U.S forces. Where they obviously exist should it not read no insignia instead?. The pages in question are or should evolve into more description including prose, than the comparative pages (excellent though these are) and can present the same stored pictures in a different way to suit the article. Incidentally, I am trying to get an image of a coductor's insignia (the highest WO1 in the Brit Army). It's bascially the same but in a wreath not unlike the WO2 Quartermaser. kind regards Dainamo23:14, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome to fix inacuracies. The british ranks as they originaly appeared occuped too much space and were hard to read. The enlisted ranks looked fine, however the officer ranks had data I could not comrihend. I think a horizontal table looks better, and is more readable. You can fix any inacuracies, my data sheet regarding Of-D and Of-S is incomplete so I have no idea. instead of No equavalent you can write No insignia, which seems to work fine.
I'll investigate the coductor's insignia further.
I am not going to revert the page, I hope you may reconsider. The reason I used the NATO template is if anyone fixes something on the template it affects multiple pages. Catchi? 19:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Although I don't see what was incomprehensible about the original layout, you have won me over on the point about, when necessary, only having to change just one source of data on a template to effect the changes across a number of pages. I have thereore reinserted the NATO template, but I have also re jigged the page as a whole to avoid large gaps and imbalance. Dainamo11:43, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Starfleet Insignia
I know you did very good images at that page, and I commend you for them. However, I wish to tell you on what I am doing and why. Instead of using many little images to create the pips, I am making just one graphic for use with the rank. That will reduce the need of having many images to be used. I am doing this, since this was one of the complaints at the FAC for this article. I wanted to address the concern, and also might get that person and others on board for support of the article. I hope you are not upset at what I am doing, but I hope you understand what I am doing. Regards, Zscout370(Sound Off)21:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Coolcat. I would like to work together to push for Star Trek to be a featured article. However, I feel that the article as it stands is a mess and requires a complete rewrite. The information presented is fine, but it seems to be lacking certain information and links. Please help by contributing your opinions to Talk:Star Trek. Thanks. -- AllyUnion(talk)22:57, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop reverting Zscouts new images on Ranks and insignia of Starfleet. Your method of pics "side by side" does not appear well on all browsers and causes spacing problems. Many people have complained about it. A single pic for each rank will solve the problem. Please g with te system and not against it. Thanks. -Husnock02:08, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the recent images and additions to the Star Trek article. They look really good. Thanks as well for beating me to the punch in splitting up the LTJG pictures. That was on the do list plate.
I see you continue, however, to change the spacing of the rank pics and revert to your previous version of multiple pics, side by side, instead of a single pic for each rank. This has been beat to death on the discussion page and a very large number of people wanted a single picture for the ranks rather than multiple pics side by side which is your method. According to statements, it caused wraparound problems and was an issue with the browser that is used in Great Britain. ZScout fixed the problem, people then said the pictures looked better, so there really is no reason for you to keep going back to the old pictures you had. I ask you please to stop doing this. Your changes will only be reverted by ZScout, myself, and others. Thanks for your understanding. -Husnock18:50, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Battle for FAC
The battle has begun again to make Starfleet ranks and insignia into a featured article. Your efforts and time are much appreciated, even if head butting has occurred every once and awhile. Your support would be most welcome! Thanks. -Husnock18:46, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Good sir, I have put a poll on the FAC nomination page to move that entire section of debate from the person who ahd such views that the article was useless, unacademic, and non-encyclopedic. I see no reason to clutter the FAC page with such things and need support to move that entire section to teh article's talk page. Thanks for your support! -Husnock05:27, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Very well, sounds reasonable. Catchi? 20:39, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
We are under havy attack at the FAC page. People have resorted to name calling again. They now propose to break up the article, get rid of the tables, and one writer is again challenging the image sources while another states he will advocate to delete the article. How low can people go? In any event, thanks for your support. -Husnock20:43, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Now that you have taken my advice and started staying away from controversial topics - have you found your editing here more pleasant and enjoyable? →Raul654 23:52, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
No I feel myself in a complete void. :) Catchi? 00:34, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Beultifull isnt it? Catchi? 15:02, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Your Knowledge of History is Limited
Just as the title says, from what I've seen you say it seems like you know very little. So I'm asking you to please stay out of historical discussions which you know very little about. Putting things which you found on a google search doesn't impress anyone, except mental midgets. - Unisgned Moosh88
On wikipedia you cannot ask people to leave out of discussions. Your knowledge of Wikipedia:Wikiquette is non existent. History is open for interpretations. There are always at least two different versions. Thats one solid thing in History science. Catchi? 22:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That's Great
Hey thanks for telling me that, since I know nothing about history. NOT! Yes, I know that history is often written by the winners, but I also know that sometimes on Wiki, history is written by idiots. So yeah go ahead write all the crap articles that you want, if I relied purely on Wiki for historical knowledge I'd be a fool.
Dont ever post anything in my userspace again until you mature into an adult. Catchi? 03:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Saladin Eyyubi
Hi,
I want to get a clear perspective on the man who is called Saladin Eyyubi.
I have read about this man. In some pages there stay that he is arabic, in some that he is kurdish and in som that he is turkish.
What's the true?
I have read what you have written. On what bases do you ground your facts? Did you really engaged in the history of Saladin or did you put something together about what you have heard from older historians. Is there any definitive statements that can prove what origin Saladin has?
Please don't misunderstand me, I don't want to disrespect you at all. It's that I am so confused about this thing for now.
I don't recall editing this mans article. I have no opinion on this issue on top of my head. If you could give the articles link I can give you a healthier response. Catchi? 22:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Whereas, the level of discussion and progress on the abovementioned page has dropped to a record level of none; no constructive commments have been made on existing awards since May 17, 2005,
Whereas, many "Vote or Die!" have been left open, namely two, as a result of this lack of discussion,
Whereas, you have previously commented and helped on the abovementioned page,
Therefore, I, who have absolutely no command in ordering this whatsoever, instruct you, とある白い猫/Archive/2005, to return to the barnstar commitment and further the creation of Wikipedian awards; vote liberally and spread your constructive comments.
(Signed)
Cmd. Bratschetalk5 pillars of the Barnstarium Army, 03:22, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
I dont enjoy leaving wikipedia but users keep harassing me. Their edits concentrate on reverting my edits only. No one so far have taken the mesures to stop this.
When I give governmentatal data thats pov because "governments have been known to lie" [5] some sane looking reverts dont quite have a basis. They are an expert on any and every issue I write.
If they could make Star Trek POV they would. Which is the only thing they havent interfered.
In sum its pointless for me to edit wikipedia. They find ways to bother me. They are obsessed with my edits. Their lack of edits rather than reverts is the living proof of this. Two users work together and get involved in revert wars in almost any article I edit. They have 6 reverts while I have 3. There always is a consensus against me by the same users on almost any article I touch. Catchi? 21:31, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Wow, that's terrible. You seem like a dedicated editor and decent person; why are these users targeting you? I hate to see people leave this great project just because some jerks are ganging up. If you would like me to mediate or something, I'd be happy to. Bratschetalk5 pillars 21:41, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
I am not really sure. My theory is: my "futile" attempt to NPOVise Armenian Genocide. I requested sources so that my counterpart prooves genocide etc... I asked him to use sources that are not specilised with the event only. You know standard stuff... It wasn't a very pleasant discussion overall. Their edits are on average minor things, which is fine, aside form that they revert me, the less I edit the less I get reverted obvliously. They keep reverting until I "give up" no discussing in talk at all. Meanwhile I write entier articles. I dont know what you can do to stop their obsession with me. I dont want regular users in the crosfire as they may do what they do to me to you as well. Admins on the other hand can handle any harassment like I recieved better. They wont intimidate me with their harassment. But its rather pointless me to write anything as everything I write is pov, regardless of its contents quite frequently. Its just one revert war after another. Catchi? 22:07, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You know what? I've found that editing contreversial articles isn't worth my time; the stress and toll it takes on me does not equal any work done, or any satisfaction found. My suggestion is, forget about the Armenian article altogether, and go do some RC patrol to get your stress level done. Nothing like good old work! Anything else, feel free to get on my talk page. Cheers, Bratschetalk5 pillars 01:29, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
Ture, but now any article I touch becomes controversial. I have POV disputes with the same individuals on any article I go. Such as PKK, I am supposed to cite sources and yet I am supposed to "not discard the work of others out of hand". I am required to accept everyone elses work without them citing sources. Look at any POV dispute I have its with the same two idiots. Catchi? 10:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sorry to hear about this
I'm sorry to hear about your disillusionment with Wikipedia. I think you are a valuable contributor, I would rather have you around. On the other hand, it isn't important enough in the grand scheme of things that is should cost you that much stress. Wish you all the best, whatever path you take. Guettarda 16:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I dont enjoy leaving wikipedia but users keep harassing me. Their edits concentrate on reverting my edits only. No one so far have taken the mesures to stop this.
When I give governmentatal data thats pov because "governments have been known to lie" [7] some sane looking reverts dont quite have a basis. They are an expert on any and every issue I write.
If they could make Star Trek POV they would. Which is the only thing they havent interfered.
In sum its pointless for me to edit wikipedia. They find ways to bother me. They are obsessed with my edits. Their lack of edits rather than reverts is the living proof of this. Two users work together and get involved in revert wars in almost any article I edit. They have 6 reverts while I have 3. There always is a consensus against me by the same users on almost any article I touch. Catchi? 21:31, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have removed your RFCs against Davenbelle and Stereotek because you didn't create a subpage for explaining and discussing the problem. If you still think a RFC is appropriate, please examine some existing RFCs to see how this is done. See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Example user. Yours, Radiant_>|< 09:10, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks that makes me very happy. Catchi? 09:24, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I should point out you haven't cited any evidence, nor any applicable policies, nor have you found anyone to certify the basis of the dispute. Honestly, after reading your text, I still don't have a clue as to what's going on here. Radiant_>|< 10:48, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
The RFC still isn't certified by the required two parties, thus it remains invalid. Please read RFC procedure for the details, but it is assumed that if you are the only person having the problem, then it's not RFC-worthy. Stereotek has requested that this be deleted; if Davenbelle has no objections, I will do so in the near future. Radiant_>|< 11:24, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Hi. As you can see here my rfc cases future looks grim. how should I proceed now? Catchi? 11:38, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It's just a technicality, there is a substantive problem here because you three can't work together. I'll do some research and see what you and Davenbelle and Stereotek are up to, then I'll try to suggest some solutions to all three. Hopefully we can work something out and you will no longer feel harassed. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm getting permission from Stereotek and Davenbelle on this. If they insist, we will still have to delete it.
You may want to take a copy now. There are wiki providers such as memebot which would give you a reasonably Wikipedia-compatible place to copy it to for reference. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:57, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have deleted it on request of one of the subjects. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
_____
it would seem you have a legitimate basis for complaint with regards to the situation outligned. justice can be done by my self, and a few of those like my self.
- James Jones
What do you propose? Catchi? 01:16, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Vandalbot
Do you realize your Talk page is very confusing? I have no idea where to post. Anyway, thanks for the offer of the vandalbot, but I don't use IRC. Sorry. RickK 04:22, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
ok. while the topic can be controversial I did not remove anything. See how again my edits and hard work is gone. Please assist. Catchi? 15:45, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Have you ever seen this? If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:07, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yes. But like "Bad Wolf" of Dr. Who, Same individuals are appearing on all wiki time frames. I just want to deal and reason with individuals and not senseless reverts. You were talking about doing something about this on RfC page. I am all ears.
I see you as a guide as you are one hell of a guide. Should I reopen my RfC case directly and tell it to the two people (you and silsor) to comment? Or some other course of action? Catchi? 23:18, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Special thanks
Thanks for reminding the policy of Wikipedia everytime , especially about the neutrality of the articles. Have A Nice Day aozan
If you revert the GAP Project page to the copyvio one more time, I will block you for 24 hours. RickK 21:27, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
Vandal bot
Hi Coolcat, that's an excellent system you got running there. Can I ask you though - why does everything the bot posts have a black background, at least in GAIM? The 'excuse' is coming out as black text on a black background, which of course isn't good :-) Dan100 (Talk) 13:26, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
Actually the color codes works fne on Mirc. I'll change excuse text to something else, hopefully makeing it readale. Its Cyan on mirc. The black background is to make sure the text is readable. It is just a quencedence of GAIM to read both color codes as the same maybe. Ill change it to something else. Tell me if it looks better. Catchi? 20:04, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You are leaving?
Please no! I just hope this is a wikibreak... Ta bu shi da yu 04:17, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I serriously considered leaving. Infact I was gone for 15 days plus. Later decided to make it a temprorary wiki vacation. Its an extended vacation until I resolve some issues with the two users who "mercilessly" revert stalk my edits. Catchi? 10:39, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Glad to see that things are sorted :-) Ta bu shi da yu 23:35, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Things arent quite sorted yet. I still recieve my revert stalking experience. I am less inclined to edit at the moment. Catchi? 12:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What's happening?
Who's stalking you? - Ta bu shi da yu 23:40, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have commented on the talk page of Armenian Genocide. I do not have any knowledge of this article or the issue it documents. However, I have noticed many words in the article that must be sourced. The article is not neutral, IMO, until this can be done. I am unsure what the issues are that you documented, or which side of the political divide you exist on: I have made my comments as a disinterested 3rd party. As that disinterested 3rd party, I have no preconceptions about this article as I have no knowledge of it. I have made my comments in such a manner. I hope this helps. If there are further issues to be aware of then I would be happy to hear them: I would also be happy to hear from the other side (whoever they are). - Ta bu shi da yu 02:49, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If you file another RFC and provide detailed evidence, along with the specific policies that the behaviour has affected, I will look into having it endorsed. However, please make sure that you provide sufficient evidence that at least two users have attempted to resolve the problem. My suggestion is to use the following RFC as a guide: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Alfrem. - Ta bu shi da yu 1 July 2005 01:08 (UTC)
Coolcat, I've just been talking to Fadix, and I'm wondering if we can drop the whole RFC business. I say this because the Armenian Genocide page became heated and I fear that both sides (Fadix and yourself) have traded insults and personal remarks :-( For the good of the article, would you be willing to say sorry to Fadix about those things (not about your stance on the article - I'm not asking for apologies on opinions held!)? I have said the exact same thing to Fadix. I hope that you won't find this to be an insult and if you find my suggestion offensive then please understand that I am only trying to find a way forward on the article, and of course find a way that two fine editors of Wikipedia can coexist on this site, even when they have strongly differing opinions! - Ta bu shi da yu 2 July 2005 01:59 (UTC)
Ah! Just saw the RFC - I thought it was filed against Fadix! Plesae ignore my comments on the RFC, they were made out of ignorance. I will review it and comment. My other comments about the dispute between Fadix and yourself still stand though... I hope the two of you can work together, rather than against each other. - Ta bu shi da yu 2 July 2005 02:05 (UTC)
Coolcat, I've processed about a thousand copyvios. I have never accepted anonymous permission to use previously published material. I held this page to the same standards as every other copyvio I've evaluated. How can you say you were unfairly treated?
You said that you re-wrote the history pages that I deleted, yet they contained at least a full paragraph of copied, previously published material. (let me know if you want me to email you the text in question, not being an administrator you won't be able to see the deleted history I'm talking about).
Finally, why don't you say to my face what you've been saying behind my back??--Duk 2 July 2005 00:47 (UTC)
I am not talking behind your back. I am not jumping from admin pages to another, filling RfC cases etc. I just ask people to compare the copy vio page and the alleged page. I tell them copy vio im MY pov is unaproporate. I have every right to do that. They compare and react. If a paragraph is indeed copied from the site and is not on the canadian PD site, feel free to delete it. Just tell me exactly what you deleted so I can rewrite and re add knowlege back to the article. Please do not remove everything but only the copy vio material, just because a paragraph (Id love to know which) is violating "copyrights" (who owns copyrights?) doesnt mean you get to delete everything. All images on the article with the exeption of two are from the same US PD source. Just google image search for the image file names. The other two, one is fair use of areal picture of ataturk dam and other is a graph created by a felow wiki user which replaced the "bad" us gov graph. Catchi? 2 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)
Finaly, I do think your judgement is unfair. You are in error, partialy if not completely. Catchi? 2 July 2005 01:05 (UTC)
What was my error? Not taking anonymous granting of copyright licensing? Do you honestly believe that Wikipedia should accept anonymous granting of copyright licensing? And if you are really the author of the text in question, why didn't you note earlier that it was PD? --Duk 2 July 2005 01:17 (UTC)
I sent you an email;
Coolcat, below is a sample of copied text from the GAP project's second copyvio deletion (this is the version that you said you re-wrote)...
...copied text emailed to Coolcat, admins can see the page at [9]...
It contains exact copies as well as derived writing from http://www.adiyamanli.org/ataturk_dam.htm.
When I evaluated this copyvio there was no evidence that it was PD, only an assertion from you that you rewrote it. As you can see from this sample, you didn't fully re-write it.
You are welcome to send me every instance of what you think is a copy vio, preferably ones that arent on the canadian PD page. Oh and btw, please do not use the RfC page to discuss this matter, use the talk of same RfC page. Catchi? 2 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)
The material you mailed me was not in the article on last delete. Note that I am not bothering to discuss on who wrote the older version of article and its copyright status because thats talking to the wall. Catchi? 2 July 2005 15:04 (UTC)
A simmilar content existed however:
The primary objective of GAP is to normalise levels of development, income, and living
standards between the southeastern region and other regions of Turkey. Creating economic
and social opportunities and promoting business, GAP is transforming the region completely.
Critical infrastructure, such as airports and highways, is being constructed to support the
development of the region. GAP will provide jobs to an estimated 3.5 million people directly.
GAP will provide jobs. Airports and highways will be constructed. This isnt something adiyamanli.org made up. It was Turkish Gov's plans. Catchi? 2 July 2005 15:07 (UTC)
Are Turkish Gov. plans PD? And did you note this when you first posted the article? Did you note this and provide a source when the copyvio was being evaluated? Or are you now, weeks later, trying to explain away you plagersim and copyright violations and paint yourself as a victim?--Duk 2 July 2005 15:12 (UTC)
This is ridiclous. You are calling names and making less sense each time. I ask you to stop calling me names in a civilised manner, I would hope to see a civilised reaction. Catchi? 2 July 2005 18:18 (UTC)
I would have thought you would make sure material that apears to be copy vio is not in any PD sites so as not to clutter copy vio system. Catchi? 2 July 2005 15:21 (UTC)
If you want to used previously published material in Wikipedia it's up to you to identify the source, its licence and to note all of this on the article's talk page. Do this BEFORE you copy, not weeks after the copyvio has been processed--Duk 2 July 2005 15:36 (UTC)
Right, for me I just copy pasted material in a TXT file in my hard drive. Later found an image on google image search. You obvioulsy dont believe me, or do not want to believe me (I do not rally care). We are discussing the latest version of the article not an elder version. I am not accepting violating copyights, I am not fighting for the elder version either. Just to satisfy you, or people like you (other copy vio people), I rewote the article. Not once but twice. Deleting the article only annoys me. Instead if you just told me whats violating copyrights (like your mail) I would have been more than happy to fix anything that supposively violating copyrights. This way everyone including me would be happy. Catchi? 2 July 2005 18:18 (UTC)
Coolcat, its not the job of the administrators clearing copyright violations to re-write the articles, they revert or delete. See the instructions at WP:CP. You claim you re-wrote the version that I reverted, but before reverting I still found substantial copyright violations. This might have been an honest mistake on your part, but I explained my actions on the talk page, and many times since then. I want you to stop saying that reverting this page and deleting the history that contained copyright violations was a mistake. And I want you to remove #5 from your RFC. Stop lying.--Duk 2 July 2005 18:45 (UTC)
I tried to reason with you, but you are a wall. Keep calling names, its rather amusing. Catchi? 2 July 2005 18:53 (UTC)
Coolcat, your re-write still contained copied text, thats why it was reverted, and the history pages deleted. It's not the duty of the administrators evaluating copyright violations to re-write articles.--Duk 2 July 2005 19:15 (UTC)
Coolcat, I just read your comment on Tony's talk page. There seems to be a misunderstanding. I have no comment whatsoever about the current page. My comments are completely in regards to the second copyvio that I processes two months ago. I have done everything to avoid you since then, aside from defending my actions on that page.--Duk 2 July 2005 19:27 (UTC)
Starfleet ranks and insignia FAC
I also personally think the FAC was too soon, so I ask you to close this nomination and figure out what is going on. We still have a problem with mainly sources, not with images this time. However, we cannot find all of the sources during the FAC period, so we should at least send it to peer review before making it to the FAC for the fourth time. Zscout370(Sound Off) 2 July 2005 15:52 (UTC)
I am not going to call off the FAC. I just want to see all points people object to. That way we can improve them before FAC time expires. This wasn't something I did on my own. I asked several people, including raul if they would want to see this on a second FAC. Catchi? 2 July 2005 17:46 (UTC)
Hi Coolcat. I did reinsert your photo, and I don't object to your other edits, but I want to keep as much info, pro and con, in the article as possible. That was why I rolled back to the earlier version. I'm not going to put anything in myself. I did relink to your photo, and please feel free to put in as much other stuff as you like, I was mostly concerned not to lose anything. Sorry about the mix up. Fire Star 2 July 2005 17:34 (UTC)
No problem. I was just trying to do clean up. The image is not mine, just the only image I found on a google image search. :) Catchi? 2 July 2005 17:37 (UTC)
Things seem to have quieted down a bit. I'd like to get the new editor discussing things, if possible, but I have to leave soon (of course). Wish me luck! Fire Star 2 July 2005 18:04 (UTC)
Good luck, although I don't know if a person like me of which a dark cloud folows has any luck to spread :) Catchi? 2 July 2005 19:44 (UTC)
As I said before, After my copyvio work two months ago I've had nothing to do with this page, aside from defending my actions. In your RFC complaint #5, are you refering only to the latest deletion of this page? If so you should mention this in the complaint, and I will strike out my comments.--Duk 2 July 2005 20:55 (UTC)
Oooook. Sorry for screaming and annoying you. GAP Project is being very stressfull for me. The stress I get from the people I discuss in RFC isnt helping either. Now, I am not trying to get the older version which you rightfully can mark as copy vio as identical material was on the alleged page. It was also on a PD page. If you, or some other copy vio warrior was investigating the article they would have seen the PD resource and never bother Copyvioing the page. Regardless... I did rewrite the page so I really don't want to discuss the older version(s). Just please don't mark me as a repetive offender as I don't believe I am one. My problem is not with you, but with the two people on RfC bothering me. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 21:02 (UTC)
I'm sorry we had this confusion and I apologise for my strong language. --Duk 2 July 2005 21:24 (UTC)
It was my fault as well, I should have checked the delete logs. :( Catchi? 2 July 2005 21:32 (UTC)
Since you asked... One web site had only one sentence coppied from it which I did reword. The other, had about a paragraph. The latter one is the one I asked permision from. I do not remember the urls. If you could post me the two urls as they apeared on the ex copy vio notice, I can easily tell you which one it is. --Cool Cat My Talk 3 July 2005 04:16 (UTC)
First of all, I think you are missing the point, violating copyrights and plagiarism is a very bad thing. It is a form of theft, it is intellectually dishonest. It Squanders huge amounts of time of the people who have to clean up your mess. Don't do it. And if you do, get GFDL permission and document it BEFORE posting a copyright violation.
Second, I asked you months ago for an explanation of what came from where on this article. You couldn't explain to me which text came from which website, let alone convince us the the license granted was GFLD. I have no second thoughts about deleting this article. And I have no intentions of re-visiting this article. Of course, you can always try another administrator.
Finally, I'm simply astonished that you have no shame. Don't you realize how much trouble you've caused for other people, and how much of their time you've wasted, all because you were too lazy to follow the rules and do your own writing? And then you repeated your crime, over and over. And then you act like a victim when other people clean up your mess. Think about this, Coolcat. It might be one of the reasons why you are having a tough time at Wikipedia. I don't want to have any more contact with you- until you've accepted responsibility for your actions, apologize to me for all of my time you have wasted, and quit acting like a victim. --Duk 3 July 2005 16:18 (UTC)
This is utterly mind-boggling. A copied sentence, a copied paragraph? These are not matters for the copyright lawyers! --Tony Sidaway|Talk
It's not a matter of a simple copyvio, but rather, the non-stop complaining, for months afterwards, where Coolcat claims he's been mistreated. He hasn't been mistreated (with regards to Dianosis:Murder). Yet over and over Coolcat cites Diagnosis:Murder as evidence of his mistreatment, blaming the copyvio people who can't read size 28 text and misrepresenting the situation. Tony, do you begrudge me defending myself?--Duk 6 July 2005 00:07 (UTC)
Hi there! Sorry but I won't be restoring anything about this unless I am convinced that the page is in fact not a copyvio. Radiant_>|< July 4, 2005 18:42 (UTC)
How can I convince you? Catchi? 6 July 2005 11:11 (UTC)
Since I rarely judge copyvio matters, I'd suggest you state your case at WP:CP and see what they think about it. There's also enough admins around there to restore the article if necessary. Radiant_>|< July 6, 2005 11:14 (UTC)
Ou article is sadly under attack. Its perhaps a good thing, becuase when the VFD fails noone will again be able to say the article shouldnt be on Wikipedia. Your Keep vote would be appreciated. -Husnock 5 July 2005 16:55 (UTC)
please look to Armenians talk page, I told why there must be POV in the article. I put but they are deleting it. -- aozan
About Kemalism Article
I created an article about Kemalist Ideology, I saw that Islamists and some against the Turks and Mustafa Kemal were vandalising Mustafa Kemal Article, may be article could be vandalised, what could I do if that thing is happened? - aozan
Both cases fall under vandalism. You can list the incident in WP:ViP and proper mesures will be taken. I am on vacation so I can do little at the moment. Also remember to sign every post. Catchi? 9 July 2005 14:07 (UTC)
Thanks, I will be glad if you send me a massage if you want to give an advice or a warning or just to talk about something what you want,cheers -- aozan
Am I doing Vandalism?
I deleted the Armenian genocide term from the text on Turkey page in pre-historic, because it was not related with history of the modern Turkey (For example Laussanne Treaty, Sevres treaty are related with the article but Armenian genocide is not), it is only related with Ottoman Empire, I am asking you is my deleting genocide term from there vandalism? If you say "yes you are doing vandalism" , I will stop deleting it from the term in the text in Turkey Page. -- aozan
Removing POV is not vandalism, however determineing what is POV and what isn't is something that may be a challenge. Each article has a Talk page. Instead of editing parts in articles it is often beneficial to edit the talk page and discuss your cases. Catchi? 11:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
You may also find WP:Vandalism insightfull. As you will clearly see POV edits are not vandalism. You are also protected by WP:NPA. No one should be insulting you or discussing you in any way. Talk pages exists so people can and should be discussing the topic not the individual editors.
WP:NPoV has a set of guidelines on how to edit articles where POV may be present. Catchi? 11:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I can guide you to the best of my abilities. I am currently on a business trip so I have limited time on the internet. Catchi? 11:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I said in the talk page of Armenians Article why there must be a POV, you can see, I understood that you are busy, sorry to disturb, but I will continue to putting it, please look to Armenians talk page, until you say "Do not put POV tag" I will continue, but before you make any decision, please look at there , to Armenians talk page , why I put the disputed tag when you have time, ıf you say to me that I am not right , I will stop, I don't have any problem with them, but I can not accept that thing until there is a primary document about an order or a plan that belongs to Ottoman Government to kill the Armenians --- aozan
I cannot "fight" for you. If you think something is POV you may try to NPOVise it. If you are unable to NPOVise something you may want to point out exactly what is POV on the talk page. NPOV does NOT mean No Point of view. It means Neutral point of view. Baseless POV (ie POV without sources) do NOT belong to wikipedia, that is correct. That doesn't make all POV bad. Catchi? 11:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Armenian Genocide is a significant topic. Referances to it should not be removed however all referances should neither establish it as a fact nor as fiction. It is a disputed topic such articles should be written in such a way so that it doesn't establish only one side of the story. I wouldn't classify Armenian Genocide as a neutral article. I haven't read the article you mentioned. You may request a Peer review if you want to have views of random people, these people will side with you if you are right, some will often try to rewrite parts. You may want to identify POV paragraphs/sentences and paste them in the talk page.You can argue on what you dont like about them. Usualy even people opposing you will be reasonable. If not other mechanisms of wikipedia may be used, however you should not need such mesures normaly. Catchi? 11:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
I will investigate the matter. If I see POV I'll point it out in the talk page. You can mimic me on other instances on statements where you see POV. It is not easy to NPOVise an article. It takes time. Be patient, ammend, edit, discuss and you should be fine. You may also try editing less contraversial articles aside from this one. Why not improve for example Istanbul as well? Catchi? 11:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi Coolcat, I'll restore this version per the discussion on the article's talk page. But there is still some material that is copied from the previously published text (leftover from your refactoring); for example, The range of new products under cultivation is also expanding appears at [10].
I'm going to leave sentences like these out, just so there is no more controversy. The information can be re-written and added later. Please wait till I'm done restoring (I'll do it in parts) and be very carefull not to add any more previously published text by accident. --Duk19:54, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, I wont be touching the article untill you are done. I tried to rewrite the sections you marked, check if it works. Here: [11]Catchi? 12:42, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Wasn't that article you were looking for titled Egyptian burial rituals and protocol? Anyway, you can drop info my way by email. I can't promise, I'll write anything on the short term, but I'll make sure it gets passed to the right people if you can't write it yourself. - Mgm|(talk) 17:35, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
No I will write it myself. Just not this week. :) Catchi? 17:42, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Let me know once you finish. I'd love to read it. - Mgm|(talk) 18:00, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
I noticed your comments on the PKK talk page. I'm currently attempting to correct grammatic and POV errors in the text, and have provided a diff on the talk page showing an initial series of edits. If you'd take a look at it, I would appreciate it.--Scimitar19:21, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I am currently on vacation so I do not know how much well of a response I may come up with. In about a week, I will deffinately give a complete response. Just dont give up on me :) Catchi? 15:16, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Okay, well, I'll probably get started on more edits then, and hopefully I won't muck things up to badly! If you have any problems with the changes I make, I'm more than ready to discuss them.--Scimitar15:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
you should see: Scimitar my talk Preferences My watchlist My contributions Log out
On the top of the screen.
You should have a signature field in "Preferences". You have (I believe) Scimitar there which is the default sig, alink to the user page. Change that to something like this: Scimitar|Scimitar]] [[User talk:Scimitar|<sup>My Talk</sup>.
<sup></sup> is just fancy btw Catchi? 16:24, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Aww.. too late :P Catchi? 16:24, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Mass upload
There's a tool called Wikimedia Commonplace, but I can't remember where to download it. Make sure you are logged in when you use it. - Mgm|(talk) 18:45, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
I'm sure that if you ask at the commons, someone will know. - Mgm|(talk) 18:49, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
Recieved with thanks. I shall make good use of that :) Catchi? 10:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Namespace for your office
Hi Coolcat.
I noticed that you created an Office page to keep track of your tasks and tools. It's an excellent idea.
One thing you might want to do, however, is create it as a subpage of your User page (for example, as User:Coolcat/Office) rather than in its present location at User Office:Coolcat. The latter creates a new apparent namespace ("User Office": really a pseudo-namespace), which is generally frowned upon. Let me know if you need any help with the move; I'd be glad to get rid of the old redirect for you once the page move is done.
Anytime. Oh and btw (something completely unrelated), I am trying to rename and move all images on the page Ranks and insignia of NATO Armies Officers to commons. I could move every image individualy but hope to find a faster and more fficent method. I have already moved images of Turkey UK and US. Catchi? 13:07, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi Coolcat, on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek you state;
Davenbelle marked GAP project a copy vio. Material was PD and is used on 11 websites of which two are PD. Copyvio people deleted the page anyway as copy vio people if they are marking pages as a copy vio make sure material is not on a PD source.
Could you please cite your source and identify the PD publication, or remove the claim that this material is PD.
I'm the Copyvio people deleted the page anyway and there was no evidence persented at the time showing that this material is PD. If you can demonstrate that this material is PD then please do and I'll reconsider, otherwise stop claiming that it was improperly deleted.
--Duk23:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you bothering me with this? It is old argument which we discussed. You are a bit to defensive and this is starting to bother me. The stuff you are throwing me is coppied from the RfC. GEEEZ! Catchi? 02:22, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I don't think he's trying to harass you, Coolcat. If you feel that Davenbelle unfairly or inaccurately marked the article as a copyvio, then it would help if you made more information available about the source of the material. Without evidence to back up the assertion that the material is public domain, Duk had no choice to but to delete it as a copyright violation. He's bringing it up because you mentioned it in your RfArb case, and is hoping to clarify if you still believe the material to be public domain. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:20, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I can prove copyrights by sacrificing my identity, which I do not want to do. From his (duks) prespective what he did is right even though I wasn't violating copyrights but as he pointed out it would be retarded to accept "annonymous" copyrights. Since I can't/don't want to proove copyright status I had rested my case earlier on. Catchi? 12:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
The rfc entry was about the same material appearing on a Canadian PD source of which a Copy vio expert like duk would notice when checking for copy vios. That would be a proper "assume good faith" enviorment. Catchi? 12:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I am just mad I see duk "defending" himself again as I havent suggested/pushed the copyrights to arbcom evidence. The material on arbcom was coppied from the RfC which duk and several others discussed this matter to death. This was coppied to Arbcom listing, then was coppied to where it is now by an arbcom member as that is the porper procedure. So I am being yelled at by duk yet again. :( Catchi? 12:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Coolcat, I'm more than happy to let this drop. But every time you claim this copyvio was mis-handled I will defend myself. The problem with your making a false claim like this, over and over again for months on end, is that people start to believe it, even if it isn't true. I'm not the one keeping this alive. --Duk14:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is the copy fo RFC on Arbcom request page. I was not the one copinging it nor do I feel it matters. Why the hell would I insist on something that I have rewritten better than the older version? Catchi? 14:56, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
IT IS A GOD DAMN COPY OF RFC. Which was coppied to requests for Arbcom before your involvement in the RFC. And was coppied to Requests for "arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek" but NOT by me. I encourage you to start reading what I am posting you more carefully. Catchi? 15:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Please cut the links out, but not the history. I have checked other organizations, they do not have this much links.
I reject the seperation. That can not improve anything. I reject this. -unsigned Tommiks
I am sorry, I feel history should be covered in greater detail. This does not mean we are going to completely remove history from Kurdistan Workers Party. Catchi? 20:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I know you spent a lot of work on this article, but we need to break articles larger than 32 bytes. This has nothing to do with Kurdistan Workers Party but is because of technical reasons. Catchi? 20:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Also please sign your posts. Catchi? 20:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
PKK butchered ??
Everything in the history of this organization is very important. I do not see myself in a position to select which activity is more important and which one is not. How could anyone can see themselves is a mind boiling thing for me. This organization brought financial breakdown, killed the political system (including parlementers), There is no other organization, and goverment in the recent history killed more Kurds than PKK, PKK integrated "terrorism law" to Turkish justice system and Turkey's daily life. If you break the document into sections, I can not accept my name associated with it. AS I have SEEN examples of people breaking the document integrity, and then document turns into a mud. I have also seen these changes performed willingly, to make the document fit one specific idealogy, by assigning importance. If there is one document that will be larger than the "so called page limit". It should be this document. Can YOU protect the integrity of the document if it is composed of multiple pages??
-UNSIGNED Tomminks
PLEASE sign your posts so I know who is posting the message. Catchi? 21:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedias software is not designed to run properly on pages exeeding 32 bytes. This is how it was programmed long before this article is introduced. Also people with dial-up (56K) connection would have one hell of a time loading the page. Catchi? 21:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I monitor a lot of articles. Some have been broken into smaller pages. If someone presents garbage into the article I'll gladly trash it. Catchi? 21:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
You do not need to explain me the PKK horror, I have first hand experience. Catchi? 21:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I understand you are being frustrated. Please rememember the wikipedia policy: Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. Understand that extreme views regading PKK is not something uncommon. I am tring to reason with him. You may want to create an article under your userspace temporarily. Catchi? 22:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I'll just wait a bit before editting. I don't have a problem with extreme views, but this was hardly my decision. I mentioned it on the talk page, nobody disagreed until now. I just don't particularly like being accused of having a pro-PKK bias. If you guys feel I'm doing a bad job, I have no problem backing off. Also, I've read the policy on biting, but I appreciate the thought. All the best. --Scimitarparley22:13, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I posses some anti-PKK bias, whatever that means. So I need people like you with no to little knowlege/bias to NPOVise the article and improve quality with an objective manner. I frankly cant see my POV. I am not going to comment on what you are doing because I am not watching it too closely, I just glance at the changes. I trust you will improve the article. I do not want to interfere with your edits. Catchi? 22:35, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I do not want to take sides for the sake of evading rever wars and other crap. Contraversial articles are always a pain in the ass. Catchi? 22:35, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I just hope you dont get over stressed. You are doing a fine job under pressure. Catchi? 22:35, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
The pages you wanted to have deleted where not Wikipedia article, they where project pages. They are Guild aimed to assemble editors and direct their efforts, and therefore not subjugated to "no original research".
Of course do we have wikipedia policies to confine us, and im sure we both are happy to abide by them.
And of cource is "no original research" a part of it. But as you noticed, that is a project page, not a article. There is a great diffrence. In the project page, we can air or views and belifes, but we can not do that on the article. Its like a talk page, its not a part of the encyclopedia, and thereofor abides by diffrent rules.
Those guild are not aimed to be soapboxes, neither to be a chat room. Its sole aim is to give a more coherent view to the topic, and make the editors to have a expanded knowledge of the articles related, resulting in higher standard for each article. Those projects are aimed at just that: Improving articles.
You en with "You are welcome to create a wikipedia project to improve the quality of all conspiracy articles."
Well, that is exactly what i have done. In what way do you not agree with me? And please, let us reach a conlusion on talk page befor reverting or puting those templates there again, revert wars are not encouraged, rather talk is. You cant just speedy delet them when somebody whants it to be there.
It's good to see someone willing to help out with copyvios. Please add them at the bottom of a day's list, and do sign them with date and user name (~~~~). Keep up the good work. Rl10:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actualy I can do beter than that on server: irc.freenode.net and channel: #en.wikipedia.vandalism I have a bot that was ment to detect vandalism. It apperanltly does a good job detecting copy vios. An unintended function if you will. Feel free to use it ;) Catchi? 11:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
You placed a speedy tag on this article with the explanation "posible copy vio Sistine Chapel Choir, indentical material posted here". I'm just curious about your reasoning. Have you evidence of copyvio? I was unable to find any, but my only resource was Google. In checking the main article, I note that it does not have the Early History section, which constitutes a significant portion of the article. (I will admit I am curious as to why this was simply not amended to the original.) Finally, the article appears to have been blanked at the same time the speedy tag was applied. I'm wondering why. (BTW, pleased to see another SETI screensaver user at work. Yay us!) Denni☯ 23:59, 2005 July 30 (UTC)
When one suspects a copy vio it is necesary to "blank" the page untill copyright status is established. The copy vio tags aren't always acurate. Infact for Sistine Chapel Choir it was a false warning. When one is suspecting a copy vio and blanks this page the copy vio template clarifies for us to not reintroduce copy vio material to the /temp . It's just the procedure. The parts that werent copyrighted were not blanked. Catchi? 11:18, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
I believe it is necessary to have some evidence of copyvio before acting on it - just a hunch is not enough. If there is evidence of copyvio, then a speedy tag is not appropriate - you should use the {{copyvio|url=}} tag. That was the cause of my confusion. Normally, pages are blanked only with the application of a copyvio tag, never with just a speedy tag. As per the copyvio page, here's the procedure:
==== Actions to take for text ====
Remove the text of the article, and replace it with the following:
{{copyvio|url=''place URL of allegedly copied material here''}}~~~~
Where you replace "place URL of allegedly copied material here" with the Web address (or book or article reference) that contains the original source text. For example:
Sweet, but you are failing to see the big picture. After placing the copy vio notice author copied identical content to temp. So I requested the delete of identical content speedie. Catchi? 22:17, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Text from the Catholic Encyclopedia has passed into the public domain. Articles which use text from the Catholic encyclopedia should have the the {{Catholic}} template added at the bottom. The online site is copyrighted, but that doesn't apply to the 1913 text (read Catholic Encyclopedia). You can safely put back the material you've removed which originated from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
Hmm I guess that was a false alert, thanks for the heads up. Catchi? 11:18, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
August
Jtkiefer's RFA
Thanks!Thanks!
Hi, とある白い猫/Archive/2005. Thank for supporting my RFA! Even though I did not get a consensus vote of approval I have learned a lot by reading the comments provided by my peers and appreciate your support. Thanks again.
JtkieferT | @ | C ----- 04:42, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
Jtkiefer's RFA
Coolcat, thank you for supporting me, I appreciate it. JtkieferT | @ | C ----- 04:51, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
kmccoy's RFA
Coolcat, thanks for your support on my RFA. Once I get a better internet connection, I'll use your IRC bot to help EXTERMINATE. :) kmccoy(talk)04:44, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Couter Vandalism Unit
I don't know how much RC patroling you do, I noticed you reverting a few vandals, so here it goes... You may find my bot on irc.freenode.net #en.wikipedia.vandalism intriguing. Feel free to use/try it. Catchi? 23:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Your white list ide (irc) is nice and not hard to implement. Who could provide me such a whitelist? Also can do a blacklist. :) Catchi? 17:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Article writing
I'm sorry you feel you can't do this anymore -- I don't know you very well, but from what I've seen you do important work in neglected areas. I don't know anything about Kurdistan (well...very little), so I'm afraid I can't be of much assistance, but I hope a time will come soon when you can go back to article writing. Even if you do present a POV (not surprising if true -- we all have a bias, although I think many of us do our best not to let it guide us), I can't believe it's in Wikipedia's best interest for people to harass you into silence -- we need all the help we can get, and from what I've seen, you tend to be polite and clear on talk pages, which I think should allow anyone who disagrees with your edits to work things out through compromise. In short, I'm sorry you feel frustrated. Let me know if ever I can be of assistance. Jwrosenzweig01:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No, I am no admin. This is the first time someone suggested nommination. I do not want to self nominate but do not object to any nominations. :) Catchi? 13:37, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
The tag was removed long ago. Maybe the article title can be improved to (by moving) Alleged Japanese war atrocities as there is a lack of acceptance of the incident according to some views. Catchi? 19:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Meanwhile I'll review the page. Catchi? 19:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Sorry for spam... I notice you added a test note...
I am currently in discussions with Ozemail regarding persistent vandalism that has been occuring from the following IP addresses in their network:
We'll see just how good their service is at responding to this sort of thing - we should be supporting any company that assists us. Therefore, I'm hoping that the Wikipedia spirit of cooperation and immense amount of volunteers will help with tracking down vandal edits.
If Ozemail gives a good response, we can use them as an example of a good ISP, and maybe even shame AOL into assisting us (we get lots of vandalism from them).
I did read a similar note on the Ips' userpage. I am not sure if the ISP believes they are resposible of their users actions... A responsible ISP is. If all ISPs were responsible no such thing as spam would ever exist. I am just pessimistic. :( Catchi? 10:13, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Just wondering if you were going to expand on the Boy Scouts of America rank pages you created. It seems like if you intended them to stay the way they are now, a list would have been better. Why have 6-7 pages when one would do? Dismas20:22, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, being a scout myself rank insignias and rank itself has deep meaning and requirements. I think they each can be a page as there is enough material. I am trying to write uniform articles. Eagle rank was writtrn before I starte dthis. Currently I am working on images. Catchi? 20:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I was a Scout in days past, made Eagle too, so I understand what you mean about the personal meaning. I was just curious if you intended to expand them. I just didn't see the point if they were basically just image placeholders. If you want any help with anything, let me know. Dismas20:36, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
We can work together to write about the rank isings and ranks. It has been a while I had been a scout. :/ Catchi? 20:41, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Each will not be any longer than the eagle scout page I think (of course the longer the better). Catchi? 20:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Rename Coolcat -> Cool_Cat
I would love to have this minor adjustment :) Catchi? 17:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
That's my second account, sockpuppet. Which I was going to use for a bot but havent yet. Catchi? 00:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Re:Nomination
I'm sorry that the nomination did not work well for you. I went on ahead and decided to put in the RfA because you had stated "I don't reject to any nominations." I hope everything works out well for you in the future. Take care, D. J. Bracey(talk)22:32, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well was a bold nice attempt. Too many people hate me and not enough people love me. Half of the votes were rather impolite IMHO. Catchi? 22:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
BJODN , just on IRC people referance this nono existent page abusively ;). WP doesnot suck :P hence the NOT in rempte article :) Catchi? 14:42, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Func's RfA :)
Coolcat, I appreciated your vote for my adminship, thank you.
Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.
I am terribly sorry if I did not follow the correct procedure. However, I did not commit any vandalism, and I added an edit summary, just like you requested. Yet you still took my edits as vandalism.
Anyway, what do I need to do to suggest a larger change of any page, before doing so? Because I do believe the Star Wars page needs lots of edits and better organization. --E.P.I.C.22:23, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, sorry, I just saw too much info removed. You may want to post changes in talk and discuss with other editors. Introducing Star wars to Help:Contents was an honest mistake I believe. Catchi? 22:28, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
I apologise for falsely accusing. Catchi? 22:28, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
By 'talk' I presume you mean using the discussion page of the 'Star Wars' article, right? Don't worry, you are doing your job. --E.P.I.C.22:33, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Talk page of article is the discussion page. :) Catchi? 22:39, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
You did nothing wrong. Aside from adding star wars to Help:Contents which is an honest mistake as far as I am concerned. There is no wikipedia guideline declaring what you did as wrong. It is recomended to use talk for large edits, but it is just a recomendation. Do not feel discouraged. Catchi? 23:28, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
You may want to do an RFC on the article title for Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, and also possibly post requests on the Talk pages of any appropriate WikiProjects. When given enough eyeballs, the Wikipedia editors usually choose the most accurate title (see Côte d'Ivoire and Mumbai for examples). BlankVerse∅23:56, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Karl Meier
Hey Coolcat, I was wondering that if I made another RFC for Karl/Stereotek, would you endorse it? It seems that we have both been victims of his wikistalking.Heraclius17:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I may, I have to investigate the nature of your dispute, do understand I have to be very careful or I will only give Stereotek an excuse to stalk further. Catchi? 17:19, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
It's not that we have a "dispute" per se. Karl has an anti-Islamic point of view and there's nothing wrong with that. However, he seems to target people that don't agree with his POV. Also, I don't think you need to worry about him stalking you more. He seems to have chosen me as his next "target".Heraclius17:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ataturk
Yes, i responded. I was trying to say that any accusation of Ataturk in connection with an Armenian genocide is so baseless that it doesn't even warrant attention.--E.A19:31, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the articles
Coolcat,
Thank a lot for your contributions. I ended up in wikipedia during an article search in Washington Post, and ended up spending half my workday going through articles.
The information that you provided on GAP project was very insightful. I am a Turkish Citizen, and I have learned some details that I didn't know. Especially, I was not aware at all that this was a big conspiracy to destroy Kurdish Villages in the region. ;o)
Thanks again and best regards,
Murat Kutlug. murat@kutlug.com - 17:05, 22 August 2005
Well, I worked at the dam project, I am also unaware of such a conspiracy. Apperantly the conspiracy theory originated from the UK. Catchi? 16:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Wow one hell of an archive, you do realise thats over 2.5 megs rite?! :) Catchi? 16:37, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, the page was over 341 KB, and I kept getting into edit conflicts while trying to archive stuff, so I figure we can just split the archive into separate ones instead of trying to edit from the talk page which is constantly changing. Sound fine? --Lord Voldemort(Dark Mark)16:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objections it just 2.5 megs is crazy! :) Catchi? 16:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
The sock puppet string was back in June. Oh, they took care of it, quite well. I'm done, as they threatened me with a year-long ban. They are VERY aware of what I have done. I caused them to rethink their policies on vandalism. What is your concern with it, by the way? Adamwankenobi02:18, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If you are bragging about sockpuppetary you are less then aware of anything or choose to ignore it. I dont threaten people, I just do it. Catchi? 02:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I'm just letting you know that I'm nominating this template for deletion, because I feel it to be redundant with tests 1-3, can be considered "biting the newbies", and causes confusion when someone clicks the section edit link. Feel free to weigh in on the TFD. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs)04:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Fine, how ever dont mark it for deletation istead redirect to Template:test1? Catchi? 15:12, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Jtkiefer's RFA
Thanks for your support on my RFA. JtkieferT | @ | C ----- 05:04, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
I reverted your conversion of this article into a manga article; that is not an obvious primary topic, especially as this manga character is obviously in some way derived from the Norse mythological figure. I moved the manga content to Skuld (manga). Please note that, when you cut-and-paste stuff, you have to note in the edit comment where it came from. Destroying edit history for some parts can't be helped when an article is split, but it has to be made clear where the content was fetched. u p p l a n d08:22, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Have you fixed "what links here" links? -- Catchi? 13:05, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I posted that without reading the change. While I agree that anime is not more significant than the mythological char, I do believe the two mithological entities need to be separated from each other in separate pages. I reverted and moved Skuld -> Skuld (Oh My Goddess!) and then moved Skuld (disambiguation) -> Skuld and later restored the blanked/redirected articles regarding the mithology chars. I think this is a middle ground for both o us ;) -- Catchi? 13:48, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm fine with that, except that "Norse mythology" and "Scandinavian mythology" probably isn't enough to disambiguate, but that can easily be fixed later through a move. I also think the edit history primarily belongs with the mythology, but I don't care enough to wage an edit/revert war about it. u p p l a n d14:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Umm I just noticed the anime serries and mithology is fused quite well. I ask for your assistance to separate and link the mithology chars and anime chars properly. (see: Verdandi -- Belldandy) -- Catchi? 14:06, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I am of the basic conviction that the mythological topics should in most cases have primacy when everything else is derived from them. I can concede cases like the planets Jupiter and Saturn, but it is much less obvious with Venus, considering how many Venuses there have been in art in the post-classical period, and I don't think pop culture like cartoons, which may be very short-lived, should be allowed to take over. When it comes to the details of how to separate the topics, I think it is better for you - in the case of Norse topics - to discuss this with Wiglaf and Haukurth who work on this stuff. u p p l a n d21:03, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I kinda agree, but I don't think it hurts to keep tem as disambiguations. Since multiple referances aren't uncomon often even in Mythology. --Cool CatTalk21:48, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Code for !calc
alias calcorg {
if $chan = $null {
%origin = $nick
}
else {
%origin = $chan
}
}
I like your Wiki-Defcom system and i was wondering if you can tell me how to set it up on mine. Please reply in my talk page if you can so i can be notified.--Dynamo_ace 15:42, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps when you implement your bot to track the wikidefcon and update the template, you could also make it update the channel topic. Then we'd have a #en.wikipedia.warroom :D — Ilγαηερ(Tαlκ)17:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
One of Turkey's biggest obstacles in dealing with the West is the way it chooses to patrol its own history. — Davenbelle 12:08, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
Interesting point of view. Coming from the west that arrests people who suggest Armenian Genocide is false (Swiss incident). I also do not see the importance if this comment warranting my atention on wikipedia. --Cool CatTalk12:24, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but I am not interested in biased websites, spesifically when it comes to the alleged Armenian Genocide. If I want them, I can google for them. And frankly I cannot comprihend your obession with one historic article, it is just an article... --Cool CatTalk12:57, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Please accept my apologies for thinking that you where just deleting the "Popular culture", when you where in fact moving it, later. When I looked at it the section had just been deleted, and no content had been added to the disambiguation page. That to me seemed very, very strange, so that was why I reverted. I agree with what you have done now though. -- Karl Meier08:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This incident changed my view on you. While I don't expect you to trust me or believe me in anyway I think we can coexist. Also please read link below fully and completely on how I interprete this whole incident. Feel free to "talk" to me directly on my talk page. --Cool CatTalk11:23, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Karl Meier (Stereotek) have recently apologised for an error of his, in an assume goof faith environment I have taken it as a sincere apology but I dont want to be as gullable as Belldandy as at this point as I cant afford it. This was the first real communication I have ever recieved from him so it is exciting for me. --Cool CatTalk19:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Davenbelle is plainly beyond reason. Check his past 3000 edits., how often does he revert me or opose me. See very reacent Soultheaster Anatolia Project issue of moving material around. Generally in distant past Davenbelle and Stereotek have activeley revert ward against me together, sometimes for image sizes. He has a history of making his only edit in days in a vote to opposing me and ironicaly citing WP:POINT --Cool CatTalk19:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I do not hold revenge against people all I care is them leaveing me and others on wikipedia alone and stop "policing" policies based on how they interprete them. --Cool CatTalk19:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to suggest that if you want Karl and I to leave you some space and let others monitor your editing per the proposed decision that you agree to immediately cease editing articles related or referring to Turks, Kurds, or Armenians per the same decision. If you will agree to abide by all the proposed remedies starting now, I will too, and I will also leave the Turkish, Kurdsish and Armenian articles to others. I would also ask that you interpret the decision to include the article talk pages. — Davenbelle02:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Davenbelles above comment. If you agree to immediately cease editing articles related or referring to Turks, Kurds, or Armenians per ArbCom proposed decision, I will also leave the Turkish, Kurdish and Armenian articles to other editors, and let others monitor your editing, starting now. -- Karl Meier08:20, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly realise that no one supports your behavior, you are dead wrong. You are in no condition to make demands (Especially you Davenbelle). Davenbelle already has a restriction on wikipedia in a much greater scale than I am proposed and my case isn't even closed. Kemal Ataturk is a politician and hence politics. Your behavior (esspecialy Davenbelle) alienates users from wikipedia. No arbitrator will support anything that alienates users from wikipedia. While I do try to steer away from controversial topics (infact at least since the start of the arbcom hearing I haven't made any truly controversial edits), I will not "leave" the articles just yet.
My edits on Kemal Ataturk basically reorganised the page. And removal of original research and heavy nationalistic TURKISH pov (no one objected).
My edits on Kurdish people esspecialy had comunity support. No one on IRC objects comenting out or complete removal uncited information (or move to talk). Uncited information does not belong to wikipedia, and I have at least an arbcom member (not involved with the case) agreeing with me personaly but does not want to get involved directly.
An arbcom meber hearing our case explained me that the first few restrictionsa are not "bad" since they apply to all users anyways. Lets be honest, Davenbelle you interfered with every mediation atempt I made, even on topics not relaeted to Kurds Turks and Armenians such as the Solano guy an Nanking thing. I'd like to remind you what you were revert waring against me on nanking: Image sizes. Both arbitrators I talked to find it ridiclous. Prohibation is a funny thing, no admin would block me for my edit on Kurdish people for example. The onther remedy is bannng me off of articles related to Turks, Kurds, and Armenians, this does not mean that I am blocked from lets say GAP.
If you do not leave me alone, you will only provide me fresh evidence and you are welcome to do so. I'd rather wish you leave me alone. I already pulled my finger from the trigger, I suggest you do the same. If you feel I make a bad edit, then discuss matters starting on the article talk page and mention it here (so I know about it as I do not monitor you) or present it directly in Arbcom, USE the community. If you can't get community support realise my edit may not be as bad as you think it is. --Cool CatTalk10:53, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This question is open to all users. Please feel free to answer. Do you, or have you ever, meditated? I do when, I am stressed or mad. And, yes, it does help.
I have tips for better meditation. Here they are:
Find a QUIET place.
Adjust the lights and temerature to your liking.
You can meditate SILENTLY, or WITH MUSIC.
Meditation can occur, ALONE or IN A GROUP.
Meditation time should NOT be RESTRICTED.
It helps to RECORD, what you SEE, and HEAR, during meditation.
Wear UNRESTRICTIVE clothing (LOOSE clothes, NO glasses, and NO shoes).
I just got that info off of: www.crystalinks.com.
Plus, meditation helps me, and I figured it might help someone else.
Was it a good article? How much, work do I have to do?
Thanks, for the welcome.
Well, gotta go!
I am not sure which article you are referincing to, I do not see you writing one.
I act secretively because I believe in a need to know basis. Since knowing my true identity serves to no purpose on wikipedia, I have no reason to reveal it. Nothing personal. --Cool CatTalk15:51, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if it makes you feel any better, you have always been nice to me. Sorry to bring up a subject that has obviously caused you some strife. Try not to let a few people get under your skin. Keep up the good work and people may forgive you in the future. Here, have a cupcake. Cheers. --Lord Voldemort(Dark Mark)22:08, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
############## ACCOUNT SETTINGS ##############
# The family of sites we are working on. wikipedia.py will import
# families/xxx_family.py so if you want to change this variable,
# you need to write such a file.
family = 'wikipedia'
# The language code of the site we're working on.
mylang = 'en'
# The dictionary usernames should contain a username for each site where you
# have a bot account. Please set your usernames by adding such lines to your
# user-config.py:
#
# usernames['wikipedia']['de'] = 'myGermanUsername'
# usernames['wiktionary']['en'] = 'myEnglishUsername'
#
#usernames = {}
usernames['wikipedia']['en'] = 'My Bot Name Here'
############## USER INTERFACE SETTINGS ##############
# the encoding that's used in the user's console, i.e. how strings are encoded
# when they are read by raw_input(). On Windows systems' DOS box, this should
# be 'cp850' ('cp437' for older versions). Linux users might try 'iso-8859-1'
# or 'utf-8'. If this variable is set to None, the default is 'cp850' on
# windows, and iso-8859-1 on other systems
console_encoding = None
# tkinter isn't yet ready
userinterface = 'terminal'
# Should the system bell be ringed if the bot expects user input?
ring_bell = False
That creates a page object linked to your talk page in the above example.
To get the wiki text from the page, you'd call (following from the previous example):
mypage.get()
You can save that data into a variable if you wish. To put a page you do something like this:
mypage.put('New text to replace old text', 'Fill out the comment field in this field.')
Where "New text" is where you want to replace the existing text, and the second portion is the comment note in the history. Default is something like: "Wikipedia python library"
If you want to add to the text, do something like this:
mypage.put(mypage.get() + 'Added text here', 'Bot adding text')
That is all you should need to program your script in Python and get your bot working. I don't believe you need any other function. Oh, also, I made some modifications to wikipedia.py; If you get any errors trying to run the bot, you should apply these changes manually.
In the file wikipedia.py:
def output(text, decoder = None, colors = [], newline = True):
"""
Works like print, but uses the encoding used by the user's console
(console_encoding in the configuration file) instead of ASCII.
If decoder is None, text should be a unicode string. Otherwise it
should be encoded in the given encoding.
colors is a list of integers, one for each character of text. If a
list entry is None, the default color will be used for the
character at that position.
If newline is True, a linebreak will be added after printing the text.
"""
if decoder:
text = unicode(text, decoder)
elif type(text) != type(u''):
print "DBG> BUG: Non-unicode passed to wikipedia.output without decoder!"
print traceback.print_stack()
print "DBG> Attempting to recover, but please report this problem"
try:
text = unicode(text, 'utf-8')
except UnicodeDecodeError:
text = unicode(text, 'iso8859-1')
if logfile:
# save the text in a logfile (will be written in utf-8)
logfile.write(text + '\n')
logfile.flush()
# ui.output(text, colors = colors, newline = newline)
print text
#def input(question):
# return ui.input(question)
#def inputChoice(question, answers, hotkeys, default = None):
# return ui.inputChoice(question, answers, hotkeys, default)
How do you do what you do? You give answers to questions that do not fully explain. They just let you know what you need to know. Not to pry but, how old are you? You word things like, an adult. I think you may be the most mature, open-minded person I've met on the net. -C2 aaron
Thank you for your compliments. The trick is to focus on a point rather than try to explain everything related in one go. Unnecessary details generally gets people carried away.
You are breaking links doing this "rename." Please cease, at least for now. Should you not, please exercise more care performing this sort of refactoring. — Davenbelle11:41, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Coolcat, I agree with Davenbelle, why don't you just place a redirect with your other alias to your recent one? It really is not Wiki to do that, you are braking links and eating servers memory, just by recopying the same data for such an insignificant edit. I think this can be considered as a misconduct, and is irresponsable. Fadix04:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Because that creates double redirects and slows down servers and causes other problems. The proper procedure is eliminating double redirects. --Cool CatTalk09:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is misconduct to insist on keeping what is wrong. Double redirects are much worse than a few (at worst 10 otherwise I would see it) broken links, which can be fixed instead of reverting 600 double redirects. --Cool CatTalk09:27, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how it is worst to just place a redirect to your other userspace to your current one, then editing bunchs, and braking links and taking server space. As for 600 double redirects, then, just blank your old user space, and place a hyperlink, tellin people that now you are using this user name. I still wonder why is the big deal on changing from Coolcat to Cool Cat, were you trying to hide your misbehavours or what? Fadix16:18, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Geez. You have no idea what you are talking about. The problem is the extra page load. Have a read of WP:ABF will ya? -- Catchi? 16:23, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
As for 600 double redirects, then, just blank your old user space, and place a hyperlink, tellin people that now you are using this user name. I still wonder why is the big deal on changing from Coolcat to Cool Cat, were you trying to hide your misbehavours or what? Fadix 16:18, 18 September 2005 (UTC) No idea right. Fadix16:28, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not quote people on things they posted on the same chain. It is quite irritating. -- Catchi? 17:48, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I will, when it fits. You just write here to show you have something to say. I just made a little comment, and you blew it out of proportion. Consider this my last answer about this thing. Fadix17:53, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ok be irritating, and tell me it is civil too. I did say please. I did not blow anything out of proportion. I just dont understand why are you making comments regarding wikimedia. The software has an easier time with fewer redirects. -- Catchi? 18:11, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
JUST TALK
HEY, WHAT'S UP? HAVE YOU BEEN TO MY PAGE LATELY?
IF YOU LISTEN TO MUSIC, YOU SHOULD GIVE ME YOUR OPINION ON THE SONGS I'VE GOT LISTED ON MY PAGE.
A wikicrime is an act that deliberately and seriously hurts the object of creating quality articles. It should be noted that the intention is important in this case. Normally good faith is assumed. Do not forget that sincere, intelligent people can be seriously misguided and self deceived.
I am well aware of wikipedia policies, again please dont post material you coppied from wikipedia if you are not going to explain it. -- Catchi? 12:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Dear page,
I am a Faylia Kurdish girl from Iraq. I don't understand the real origin of us.I asked a lot, but people were answering me from there memory ,or as they have heared. So, I can't trust there answer, because there is no book to explain the Faylia Kurd. So, if anyone can guide me to a book I will be very thankful.
It is a hard question actually. Kurds have been nomadic people until recent times and hence did not keep archives. There are a number of reasons why it is very hard for us to establish their origin.
Kurds were exposed to a great deal of external cultural and genetic influence. They have generally lived in isolation from the rest of the world with minimum communication.
As you may well know there are 4 major sub cultures of kurdish culture which are quite distant from each other. Infact it is quite hard to find referances to "Kurds" rather than to the 4-sub cultures on historic documentations. Furthermore It becomes harder to identify the origins of individual sub-cultures due to a number of civil disturbances we obesrved in the region.
So I am not certain if I or anyone is qulaified to answer your question. I would love to guide you a book, but there are a number of them disputing each other.
I DIDN'T GET MUCH INFO ON FAYLIAN KURDS.IT'S HARD, BUT I GOT THE BASICS. "AL-FAYLIAH" KURDS, PRIMARILY LIVE IN, THE ERMANSHAH, AND ILAM PROVINCES OF, IRAN AND CENTRAL IRAQ. FEYLI IS A PERSID (SIMILAR TO PERSIAN AND LURI) LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN THE KHANAQIN REGION OF IRAQ. FAYLI-SPEAKERS TEND TO CONSIDER THEMSELVES AS KURDS.
No problem. Notice the "history" link on the very top. This can tell you who posted something if it isn't signed. -- Catchi? 14:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
NOTICE TO COOL CAT
Please make a section for your evidence and add evidence only in your own section. Please limit your evidence to a maximum 1000 words and 100 diffs, a much shorter, concise presentation is more likely to be effective. Please focus on the issues raised in the complaint and answer and on diffs which illustrate behavior which relates to the issues.
If you disagree with some evidence you see here, please cite the evidence in your own section and provide counter-evidence, or an explanation of why the evidence is misleading. Do not edit within the evidence section of any other user.
Be aware that the Arbitrators may at times rework this page to try to make it more coherent. If you are a participant in the case or a third party, please don't try to refactor the page, let the Arbitrators do it. If you object to evidence which is inserted by other participants or third parties please cite the evidence and voice your objections within your own section of the page. It is especially important to not remove evidence presented by others. If something is put in the wrong place, please leave it for the arbitrators to move.
MOVED. I apollogise for this. -- Catchi? 16:46, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Can you invent a template?
I need a template that states that the article has been heavly vandlisied. I had been watching an article and some vandel started to dilibratelty cause spelling mistakes and generally downgrade the quility of the article. If you can, can you build also a varient that states that there may still be errors in the article caused by the vandel. Sorry for asking this, i can't program wiki templates like you can.Post your answer on my talk page please.--Dynamo_ace19:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actualuy I already have: {{Constantvandalisminprogress}}. It was deleted. I could recreate it but it would be deleted. -- Catchi? 19:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Kingturtle, you asked me to redothat on IRC and later you revert me for doing so. You basically made me waiste several hours. Can you PLEASE tell me what the heck is going on? Please also notify me on my talk page. -- Catchi? 20:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Also you removed "Terrebonne" stats from Lousiana. entry. -- Catchi? 21:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I am not pissed ...much... but I thought it look better, I just want to improve meself. -- Catchi? 21:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
coolcat, my specific request in IRC was for someone to change the "Totals" row from 4 columns to 5 columns. this was something i wasn't able to figure out within the confines of the chart that existed. i did not ask for a total overhaul of the chart.
the States and their totals should appear in the first columns, and then subsets should appear in further columns. i am sorry for the amount of time you spent redoing the chart. can i reimburse you by doing a wikipedia task for you? :)
P.S. I will add Terrebonne stats right now. thanks for catching that ommission.
Not just that but the "missing" are missing as well. See katrina toll talk page for a few issues I have with current template. -- Catchi? 21:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Well. Yes. Firstly there should be a space between #redirect and A. Secondly I do not see any sane way a single letter should have a redirect. By default it will be redundent and perhaps get deleted. -- Catchi? 09:52, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
A single letter could easily have a redirect, for instance if we decide that the S-caron article should be a redirect to Š instead of the other way around. A space should be added for clarity, but I've seen redirects that have omitted the space and they work just fine. The bottom line is, you need to set the magic number at 14, not 15, and you need to avoid deleting anything that contains a template even if it's less than 14 characters. -- Curps10:06, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
We have Eng redirecting to a single letter by that name. Even A has two incoming redirects (LetterA and AaA), and C has Cee redirecting to it. There are probably many more examples. Other than the first one, these may not be very useful redirects, but that's not for a bot to decide automatically. -- Curps10:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The bot could read the contents of the page and check for the word "#redirect" and delete if it cant fint it. This could mean size cap can be further increased. -- Catchi? 10:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
A Question
Do you know, Dynamo Ace, Carbonite, SlimVirgin, Mike Garcia, *Angel*, or -TeenAngel-? Thanks.
Hey Cool Cat, we had this discussion on IRC some time back. Edison didn't invent the light bulb (though he did try pretty hard), and you said you'd change you page! (That said, there's no obligation for your user page to be accurate I suppose) Cheers, Cdyson37 | (Talk)23:06, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh right. Ill fix it -- Catchi? 01:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
The Big W!!!
Actually, it's a vandal who's posting george bush pictures on user pages, but going just by the single username it was a good guess :-) --fvw*00:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Likely marmot, we are watching him closely on IRC, care to tag along? We got virtual coke and popcorn. -- Catchi? 01:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Re: vandalism
What are you going on about? I didn't vandalise a single page. I would appreciate it if you could provide evidence of me vandalising. Otherwise, it's called false accusation. --Miborovsky01:44, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I just innitialy saw someone deleteing pages and pages of stuff. We have hightened level of vandalism on lots of articles. I sincerely am sorry for all of this, I issued your party a warning and issued a notice to ANB. -- Catchi? 01:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I do not know exactly what do you mean. Can you mail me the wikipedia.py file I should use, I am using the short code you gave me. -- Catchi? 21:23, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I really like all of the images you uploaded. Is it possible to change the format from a "voltmeter" (-10 to + 10) to a speedometer look so that all one needs to adjust is a number. ;) Its a thought :P -- Catchi? 19:37, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Oops, you were repeating someone else. Still not the best of ideas, but it doesn't merit an NPA warning :-). Happy editing! --fvw*02:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think I should be any politer to people repetively vandalising my own userpage. RCP can get stressful you know. -- Catchi? 13:39, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
If you can't handle recent changes patrol without violating our basic civility policies perhaps you should turn your efforts to a more gentle aspect of wikipedia. --fvw*14:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, please block me immidiately if I am being uncivil to vandals then. This makes little sense. -- Catchi? 15:02, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
en.wikipedia.vandalism
For contributions to RC patrol, above and beyond the call of duty.
Thanks. :) -- Catchi? 01:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Counter Vandalism Unit
Just recording what I already said to you on IRC: CTU.jpg is copyrighted, so you can't derive anything off that, but using the general idea of it seems ok to me. If the logo is just to be used on Wikipedia, such as on the User:Cool Cat/Counter Vandalism Unit page, then I don't think this would be a legal issue. There were no objections from the rest of the board or from juriwiki over Commons:Image:Admin mop.PNG, but you might want to wait and see if there are objections to this one, since there have been in the past over the Research Network logo. Angela.02:19, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reminder there. Copyrights on images that are modified into a new image were never my cup of tea. I'm going to make an explainer page by the end of today hopefully so I can finally get that bad boy on the Barnstar page.
Also, after looking at your page above(It looks pretty good), I was wondering if you could give me any tips to finally get to "Expert Wikipedian" status. I feel as though i'm at an intermediate level in a "Wikiplateau" of sorts. Karmafist17:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'd harldy call myself an expert :)
I can recomend usage of subpages. You seem to have a lot of long lists on your userspace. You may want to place them in sub articles. I can do this for you if you like. ;)
What kind of tips do you have in mind? -- Catchi? 17:56, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Well one thing, as sad as it may sound, is pointing me in the right direction towards getting a Free IRC account. I downloaded some program that supposed to work with it called "MaxxIM", but no dice. Karmafist19:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You can download [mIRC] (pay) or Chatzilla (free) plugin for firefox. -- Catchi? 20:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
It's cool for cats
Hey there. I think Steven M Scharf (aka scharf.steven aka 69.12.152.174) could do with reading your discussion page - especially the bits about not being a dick and not mounting personal crusades :-) || Just zis Guy, you know?20:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the "Not belong to wikipedia..." is based on wikipedia policies. Applies to all. :)
I would suggest you to use one account, as multiple accounts tend to cause problems. -- Catchi? 20:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I do only use one account, and I almost invariably remember to sign in. There are several active contributors on this one, at least two of whom are known to me from other contexts. Just zis Guy, you know?20:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
October
My RfA
Cool Cat-- Thank you for your support on my RfA. And thanks for your concerns about advertising my RfA while doing RC Patrol. I didn't get vandalised quite yet, but will keep that in mind when I pick up on it later. Thanks again. --Lord Voldemort(Dark Mark)|My RfA01:16, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Revised the site:
As requested, I revised the site:
Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad
The last section (Instances of the employment of U.S. military forces abroad: 1991-2004) as it was orginally put up was way, way to wordy, as you mentioned.
I was actually working on it when you made modifications.
Hopefully this site will become obsolete or is already obsolete with a more comprehenive list of "Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad".
Hi, on wikipedia we often have a group of people that simply are destructive. I have accidentaly mistaken you for one.
I have revised your edit(s) [15] and I feel there is a significant amount of information is removed. I am not going to revert it back but I would be more comfortable if you explained it. Also you may want to use edit summary box so other users have a better idea on what you are doing.
Thank you cool cat for your vigilance. I am really new to wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travb (talk • contribs)
Counter Vandalism Unit
The finished product (right) I think. Looks nice IMHO
It does not look nice :-) It looks scary :-) From a purely artistic perspective, the final result looks better with the wikipedia logo as it stays in black, white and grey... Right, what do Angela thinks ? Anthere
Well, the image can be made better if a photoshop freak kinda fixes it to make it look even more professional. But that's an extra. -- Catchi? 14:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Skuld
A user who isn't sure what he's looking for should click on the link to the disambiguation page. But I'm not really that concerned about this case. I can understand your point of view and I don't think it would be a travesty if you had your way here. I'm much more disappointed about the recent move of Baldr. - Haukurth17:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm only scanning for open proxies. Did marmot even use those? If so, hers will be blocked along with everyone else's. --fvw*19:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Heya, someone just told me your vandalism detection bot also puts all entries in the block log on that channel. You might want to filter out blocks by me or where the reason contains POPBot for the time being, as the bot's making 3 unblocks + blocks a minute, and is going to be doing so for quite a few hours yet. --fvw*20:22, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the bot records those. :) -- Catchi? 20:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Since they are blocked indefinately I do not see a reasn to log them. I have intervined. Thanks for letting me know. Although you already know about ths from IRC -- Catchi? 20:33, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
CVU
Hello, Cool Cat. I was just wondering what the Counter-Vandalism Unit does (besides fighting vandalism, I mean... :-)) What does the bot do, and what does the "rollback" thingie mean? Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS20:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The Counter Vandalism Unit is designed to combat vandalism on wikipedia in general. It at the moment operates on 8 more popular languages and meta wiki. The bot serves on IRC and flags potentialy "bad" edits. Users must check the output and determine an action. The bot itself does not take any direct action. Generally 10-20 users are active on #en.wikipedia.vandalism.
Aside from vandalims the bot detects copy vios as well. This was an unintentional result though.
"rollback" is a function designed for admin only usage. It does not work for non admins. This is because of mediawiki's design.
The rollback thing generates an eyes only url that when clicked on reverts the page without any more hassle. I am not actually sure if it works as so far no one has used it. :) -- Catchi? 22:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I will try really hard. Can you however consider revising the personal attack(s) on that page by fadix. Such as "Get a life" comment. -- Catchi? 01:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
He Cool, I happend to come across you page and I noticed your toolbar. I really like how it is set up so I stole it and added my links. I am still playing with it to see what I think, but I think it looks really cool. ... That wasn't a pun, I promise! Anyway, thanks for the toolbar. Psy guy(talk)00:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. I can actually create one for you if you like. All I need is a list of links :) -- Catchi? 01:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer, but, no, I meant that I copied yours and changed the links and colors. It is on my user page now. I was just letting you that I like your and that is were I got the design. By the way, I have been reading about the Counter Vandalism thing. If I ever get IRC, I would like to help y'all out with that. Psy guy(talk)17:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Tool Bar?
How do you do it? Is there a programming code?
C2 aaron 16:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
How do you create a new topic page (like on one specific subject)? Are you allowed to? C2 aaron
Easy! Just type between [[ and ]]. Example: type here
Alternatively you can "Search" for that page as it likely is covered on a title similarly labeld. -- Catchi? 19:52, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Here kitty kitty kitty
Here Kitty Kitty...
Cool: We all miss you in en.wikipedia.vandalism, and we're setting out this milk in the hope it will lure you back... ;-) -- Essjay · Talk22:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
/me chimes in. Yes, you do great work. Please don't leave us on the hook; we can't even get the CVU working. ;-) JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
"Woot", "Woot" ! We want vandaltickers! How else are we supposed to know what WP:DEFCON should be set to? IRC's boring as fkuck now that it's just green, black , white and purple! ¡¡¡Ñ!!! 68.39.174.23822:42, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
"Here, kitty, kitty". I have mouse carcasses too if you're into that stuff, my cats bring those in all the time! I do miss your IRC purrs rolling by! --MJ(☎|@|C)22:52, 5 October 2005 (UTC).[reply]
Had connection problems. We should be back on trak momentarily. Sorry about this. -- Catchi? 16:03, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
It is a Naruto character who's an uber cool ninja. I run the bot a bit fast, like a ninja, and my little bot completes any of my tasks I want in relative short order. --AllyUnion(talk)00:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually compared to Gai he is quite slugish ;) -- Catchi? 00:21, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
The only problem I can think of is getting the code for recent changes. Unless you plan to parse that from IRC as well... but that wouldn't necessary make certain you got all the pages. --AllyUnion(talk)00:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The parsing of IRC is already done. I know exactly when a tiny page is created. -- Catchi? 00:49, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
1) I fixed the deletion bug, so I know what's wrong now. 2) Have you ever considered what would happen if the IRC recent changes bot stopped working, yet the Wikipedia is still working? --AllyUnion(talk)08:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot to mention that a sysop, like myself, would require to run this program. I'm not particularly fond of the idea of using an IRC script as the mode of getting new articles. --AllyUnion(talk)08:25, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know. The bot would need adequate powers to delete pages.
If the irc RC bot its all hell for us. If that hapens we can think of it then but I think thats quite unlikely.
I do not have to be the one running the bot if people cant trust handing me such power, after all I am not here for power ;)
I use edit summaries >99.99% of the time (and I mean that literally). If I missed one it was almost certainly an accident. Which archiving are you referring to, exactly? -Splashtalk01:21, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh don't be alarmed. Wikipedia:Templates for deletion archiving. I am not too teribly buged by it, was just a friendly reminder. -- Catchi? 01:34, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not particularly alarmed, just annoyed that I missed one when archiving. But I can't see it in TfD's history, nor in my contribs list (for today, at least). -Splashtalk01:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I did not get it deleted because of your request or rfc (which I did not care to read). It would probably survive a vote but to my surprise the RfAr was closed. -- Catchi? 14:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. I would also appreciate it you would adjust your contacts list so as to not segregate us under a horizontal rule and highlight us with a unique background colour. This is, I think, a reasonable request, but I will not try and insist on it. Not listing us would be fine, too. — Davenbelle07:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I did not delete it because of your request or the RfC (which I did not care to read just like the majority of your comments). I had most of the material presented there in greater detail in the evidence page anyways. Additionaly thanks for stirring up the dispute with Dmn, I am sure that will make wikipedia a better encyclopedia. -- Catchi? 14:33, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. I do not know how to fix that and would not object to your or anyone elses help ;) -- Catchi? 21:55, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Unsigned comment
How can i contact you? please send me a message like you did when i modified that page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.97.187.65 (talk • contribs)
You can reach me on my talk page like you did ;) -- Catchi? 10:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
CVU Polish translation
Here it is. i created Polish translation of CVU bot.
BTW: This bot is on #pl.wikipedia channel, not #pl.wikipedia.vandalism. I think that $remove($chan, .vandalism,$chr(35)) could be cutted to $chan. It is up to you, because with first code will work anyway. Hołek҉10:51, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I have applied the changes. -- Catchi? 11:11, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
IRC computer access
Hey, this is Sasquatch and I am using your IRC vandalism monitoring channel. Here's the thing, I want to add people to the blacklist and what not but I can't because I don't have computer access (Access denied... message). My IRC nick is registered under SasquatchW. Was wondering if you could help. Thanks! Sasquatcht|c07:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
As far as CIA and most of the planet is concerned Osama is a terrosit. As far as Al-quiada members as well as few others he is a hero.
I think the NPoV would be including which countries and international organisations (such as EU or NATO etc) declare people listed as terrosit. -- Catchi? 15:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Religious Article (Teen Bible Study)
The Teen Bible Study is an article. And, it is appropriate. And, maybe not all of it has been proven correct by "scientists". But, is there any evidence proving the content of the Bible is incorrect? And, in this case, I shouldn't have to cite my source. The title tells the source, and the parentheses do too.
I haven't done anything wrong. I'm not forcing religion on anyone. If, they want to read it, and believe it, good. If not, they don't have to. C2 aaron16:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This is not because, we are criticizing your religion. Please, don't take this personal.
Do realise we have an article on Islam and only few of the material presented can be proven.
Wikipedia:Cite Sources explains why citing sources is imperative. Few reasons why you need to cite sources:
To credit a source for providing useful information.
To provide more information or further reading.
To enhance the accuracy and credibility of articles.
What article are we talking about. I do not see you writing an article. If you are talking about the paragraph (Daily Bible Verse section) on your talk page. I don't mind it too much since it is short. Though you may want to place it to your userpage as the user talk page is intended (genraly) for just communication with you. Thanks. -- Catchi? 16:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Computer3 bot
Hello, I'm a sysop of English Wikibooks. Is it possible to install your Computer3 bot at Wikibooks and #wikibooks IRC channel? --Derbeth19:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Bot is active in #wikibooks-en-vandalism -- Catchi? 17:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Where can I find instructions of using the bot? I see there are whitelisted users and watched pages, where and how are they set? --Derbeth20:19, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Just say "computer help" in channel
The bot at #wikibooks-en-vandalism seems not working - it does not show anything. F.e. bot at #wikipedia-en-vandalism displays a message when an user is blocked - this one not. --Derbeth10:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ill investigate at once. -- Catchi? 10:21, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
OK after spending hours on this I located the problem. A typo was causing all the problem, should be resolved. -- Catchi? 15:28, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I saw that you tagged this page as {{db}} and that you wanted to have its page history merged with your user page. However, there is a problem: As described on Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves#A troublesome case, merging page histories will not work when both pages have been changed and edited at the same time. If I try to merge page histories, the result will be that various versions of User:Coolcat/User History will be interleaved between versions in the page history of User:Cool Cat. And this will cause confusion to all other users who attempt to look at the page history. Thanks. Zzyzx11(Talk)11:22, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Barnstar
For intensive work in uploading images and being a part of the WikiCommunity.
I feel it is aproporate. I am not required to comply everything you order me. I am most certainly not the provocative side. We discussed that you were going to leave me alone, and you did not honored that agreement. Hence it is illogical for me to honor any agreement as all agreemens require cooperation from both sides. I have nothing to discuss with you so long as you continue to hound me. -- Catchi? 07:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Interesting argument. I may have to contact you to inform you of a RfAr or RFC for example. Thats not the case at the moment tho. I am not going to bother responding to your userpage as you delete peoples comments as soon as they are posted disallowing threads. -- Catchi? 17:47, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Respond to other peoples comments on their talk page where they can see it, respond to my comments here so I can see it. -- Catchi? 11:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Award from Dynamo_ace
An Award
For your find of a rare Ah!My goddess! image which you have used to enhance the "value" of the respective arctile. I,Dynamo_ace give you the Minor Barnstar
Arigato gozaimashita! {Thank you very much!} -- Catchi? 09:03, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
CVU
Hmm. Looked all over the CVU page, but I didn't see any specific directions on how to jump in. I'm guessing that it may be the same as everywhere else — edit my name into the list and go at it — but I thought I'd ask here first. Got any guidelines? Gracias. Deadsalmon09:17, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You may have left out another type of vandalism, namely, repeating text or pics until the article's size is 1 MB, thus overloading the modem of the reader(s) and preventing him/them from opening the page for some time. Jake01317:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
...hmm, that probably wasn't supposed to go there. At any rate, in response to your message on my talk page, the information on the CVU page is what I had in mind, thanks. Glad you took the initiative on this. Deadsalmon18:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've increased the graphic thumbnailing size in the templates from 40px to 43px, which I tested to be the largest possible size that won't break the template size. The text in the ring is still not legible, but then again it wasn't really legible at the original 50px size either. Thatdog00:34, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think the logo itself is in widespread isage now. People know what it stands for just too well ;) -- Catchi? 21:29, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Wiki-DefCon adjustment
I think the bot adjusts need to be a little less sensitive, to avoid sudden jumps over multiple levels; just now, it went to WD-1 directly from WD-3 ;-) Kirill Lokshin19:27, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously some people think they can just overload me with more and more stress and expect me to stay calm. I am tried of putting up with constant threats of "oh you just lost your chance of being admin" and other nonsense. Then you have the people trolling/staliking and in addition an arbcom that can barely ask stalkers nicely to leave me alone. It all adds up to this. -- Catchi? 19:57, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you are feeling stress, Cool Cat. Snowspinner did what he thought was right for the sake of the project; his chief worry seemed to be that wikimedia-derived logos on pages of identified vandals and the like might appear to give board-level sanction to the identification of a vandal, whereas the judgement was made at editor level. In Snowspinner's view, I believe, this has potential legal ramifications. This doesn't reflect personally on you, it's just something that Snowspinner felt was necessary to safeguard the board and thus the project. He was playing it safe in the absence of explicit board-level approval for use in the contexts in which the logos have been used.
I think there is an issue of proportionality about it, if as you say there was a potential problem in using the logo in that context, then why not replace it with something else and post a polite message explaining it, rather than obliterating the template completely. You know think first, act second. --pgk(talk)20:56, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I echo Tony's comments.
On the other hand, Tony, I do also think that admins and the even-higher-up folks need to be more ready to hand out blocks (and lengthy blocks). There are some vandals who will clearly never write anything useful. They shouldn't be given a short block period and allowed to come back and reoffend repeatedly. Give lengthier blocks -- I am not saying necessarily indefinite, but the blocks need to actually hurt. --Nlu20:53, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
We're already chasing away too many newcomers. I wish our RC people would be less quick to block except in cases of obvious vandal accounts that do nothing else, and do so quite a lot. --Tony SidawayTalk21:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The Board has no policy on this yet, though it is under discussion right now. My latest email on this topic mentioned the logos you'd made (along with many other examples), noting that the CVU logo is now widely in use, with no conclusion from the Board, and that I didn't think it was an issue based on past precedents. No comments were made in response to this to suggest these logos were not ok. I can't give you "Board approval" since the Board has no official logo use policy yet, but I can say no one on the Board has objected to Image:CVU2.PNG. This shouldn't be taken to mean we don't have objections to other modified versions of the logo, especially ones which might suggest an inappropriate relationship with Wikimedia. Angela.20:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed that you where leaving Wikipedia, Cool Cat. So I though I'd say, good-bye, and good luck with whatever you do in the future. -- Karl Meier21:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Arigato gozaimashita, Akuma-san. -- Catchi? 21:45, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Kan jeg få dig til at gentage det på engelsk? Det her er den engelske Wikipedia, og jeg forstår ikke et ord af hvad du siger.. :-) -- Karl Meier21:50, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Cool Cat: I know things are rough right now, and I know you're really stressed. The other CVU members have filled me in on what happened, and I am taken aback at the out-of-process deletion of the CVU images, particularly given that I was the one that uploaded them. Given Angela's comment above, and the fact that I have made numerous images to which the Board has given quasi-sanction, I believe it is entirely appropriate for us to have these images. Perhaps it was a bad idea on our part to include them on the templates, however, that does not provide cover for out of process deletion. (Interestingly, I was the creator of the template as well.) I intend to take the matter up with Snowspinner, and see proper redress; I would greatly appreciate it if you would reconsider leaving and would continue to do the valuable work you do with CVU. You know how much I and the other CVU members appreciate it. -- Essjay· Talk21:28, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
CC: I know you're still around, and I'm hoping you'll come find me and IRC so we can talk.
If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray.
I have left the ninety and nine and am searching for you on the mountains; the entire CVU waits with great anticipation to rejoice when you are found. -- Essjay· Talk22:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
CVU Images
Cool Cat, first, please take your well-deserved WikiBreak and come back refreshed. Anyways, I've taken the liberty of removing the CVU image from the WoW, Marmot, and Milk templates because I don't think the logo should be placed on a general vandalism template. It's a (wonderful) Wikipedian organization; however, that doesn't mean it should be placed on the WoWs tag or the Marmot tag. I would recommend creating a new template instead, saying "This user has been identified by the CVU..." or something like that. Hope to see you soon. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS22:18, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Don't leave
We know getting rid of vandels is a hard and uphill struggle, look at me, i had to repair 6 articles from vandals when wikidefcom 2 was declared for a while and low and behold someone vandalised a page i was watching.
I drop on vandals like a ton of bricks, i hope you come back and do the same. We need good users like you, why not burn some steam at my site's forum.
I have personally been ready to leave a couple of times myself, but I guess I have an addiction to the site. Please don't leave use. You really do good work. V/M! 00:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Jul 02 23:21:30 <Snowspinner> I've slowly come to the conclusion that
"don't feed the trolls" is bad advice.
Jul 02 23:21:37 <Snowspinner> Feed them. Then they cross the line and
you can get rid of them.
Jul 02 23:21:44 <Snowspinner> "Trolling for the forces of good," I call
it.
When we react emotionally to the actions of others we give them power over us. Ask yourself, should my reaction to someone who I feel has wronged me be to give them control over my life?
In your stay at Wikipedia you will potentially encounter thousands of issues where you disagree with someone and you know your solution would be better. Even if things go your way only half the time, that project is still improved in thousands of ways. I think that alone should make you happy, but only you can decide to allow it. By allowing any issue or any subset of issues to become too important to you, you become vulnerable and risk making yourself unhappy. You already know there will be conflict. You already know that some people will egg you on just to scare you away. You have known these things for a while, at least, and yet you continued contributing. You've shown you can step up to these challenges, so there is no point in quiting now.
I hope you can return and find enough contentment in editing, and ignore the things you dislike and the people who would choose to harm you. --Gmaxwell06:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not really - there are two issues. The first is the usage of the logos, the second is that Cool Cat is again implying official support for something where there is none. Snowspinner06:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is he really thought he had support... oh well... . Have a rest CoolCat and come back later. Anthere
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I just blocked the newly-created account User:CooICat (capital eye instead of ell in the username) as an impersonation of you. If you created that account to prevent it falling into a vandal's hands, sorry for the inconvenience. FreplySpang(talk)14:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, I think that was MARMOT but the user had copied your user page and everything. For a second I was like Cool_Cat's back? but then... no.. but now you are! =) Sasquatcht|c18:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Nay, I don't think so. There was a vandal a few months ago, in May, called the Doppelganger, who copied user pages and sigs and everything, then posed as the original user and authorized absurd things like AfDs and made obscene remarks and so on. This might be a return. Don Diego20:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This user does not wish to speak or hear dumbass, but is resigned to the necessity of at least understanding it in an environment of massive collaboration.
Hi Cool Cat. Just cleaned your talk up a touch at the bottom, but that ain't why I'm here. Like to point out that JTK removed Adam's access because of an inappropriate comment Adam made which, as I understand it, caused JTK to worry about Adam's understanding of IRC precedents and of Freenode's guidelines on keeping things cool.
Incidentally, I'm becoming worried that Adam still isn't getting it. I would love for someone to take him under their wing - hell, I'd do it myself. Can you maybe suggest to him that he needs to read up a few things and get some understanding of the wiki way into his head? If you want, refer him to me for informal mentoring or something; he's a clueless newbie who doesn't need to run into the wrong sort of trouble - we can sort it, no problems. Rob ChurchTalk | FAHD01:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It was a joke... and I said that it was one. I never abused the access power that I got. The only time I kicked someone was when you came on with your bot and we were getting double posts and after asking people in the room and they approved I kicked. --☺Adam1213☺Talk+|WWW06:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Here is what I think: I am not going to get involved directly. I am not going to overule any desicions made as it is not my place. However I will give adam a level 2 access as we know he is definitely not a vandal. This will get him auto-voice as well. Objections? -- Catchi? 16:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
It's a bit irrelevant in some ways, since the use of voicing in the channel has been changed, so admins are normally voiced. (I guess regulars would get voiced if we went moderated). Autovoice has been switched off. (And according to the access list he is still level 2 anyway, just no autovoice for anyone at the moment) --pgk(talk)16:58, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A new warning system plugin thing
From cvu talk I just put it there. + made redirect cvu
I see that your name was listed as a person who was imperonated. It may have been part of a campaign of intimidation by some editors that have targeted a handful of users whose edits they do not like. FYI- you may want to read this link:
Why the small letters? Low self esteem? Don't let those vandals or your RfA get to you, there's still lots of time, then you can beat 'em black and blue when you get your mop and bucket. ;) Hang in there - Don Diego(Talk)18:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, small sig is kawaii (cute). ;)
Adminship is a distant dream for me. People lack support after RfA's, its only normal to lack support after RfArs. Also some people hold me responsible of RickKs departure. Aside from that I don't recall somewhat sensable excuses for opposes.
I see, I see. Mind if I ask how old you are? I know I'm not in a position to criticize you, but did you notice that your spelling needs improvement? :) No offence. Anyway, it deson't rlaley mtater waht yuor splelnig is lkie, waht marttes is taht the frist and lsat lttres are in the rghit pacle. Cool, eh? ;)^ Don Diego(Talk)19:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A script I made
I have made a autoit script that reverts an article and warns the user with test3-n|article and signs it. the script compliled rename it .zip and extract
you need to be on the difference page and that version may open print. It is currently only IE compaible and you must click ok to the first thing on the diff page and let it go. click the buttons when the page it is on loads. --☺Adam1213☺Talk+|WWW06:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
#wikipedia-en-vandalism -- Catchi? 23:35, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Bot
Addition to bot: I don't know how your "wheeler" detection works, if it just looks for a move to "on wheels", but it would be useful to do something similar by watching for the same user to move multiple pages quickly. So, if someone moves a page, the bot watches for that person to move more pages, then labels them a wheeler. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-29 18:16
Also, we need a bnu version for article names. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-29 19:53
Fair Use images
Your user and talk page spaces contain an image that is tagged as Fair Use. I always hate to be the bearer of bad news on this stuff, but as per copyright (legal) issues on this, we are not allowed to have images classified as fair use on pages not related to the subject, especially on the user space. If you could remove the image (or create a mock up, using legos, or clay, or something), that would be most excellent. Again, I'm sorry I had to do this (I had to remove Image:Cowbell2.jpg), but I'm trying to create a greater encyclopedia. Thanks a lot, [[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] [[additions | e-mail]]03:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is an example of m:copyright paranoia, which image(s) are we talkin about? -- Catchi? 09:13, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps, but the image I am referring to is Image:Theweakestlinkwho.jpg, on both your talk and user page. It could very well be that I'm paranoid, but I'd just like to make sure there's no infringements. It is not considered fair use to have pictures of unrelated content on a user space. I personally would prefer to be able to use the pictures, but under Fair Use law, we're not allowed. If you want to bring this up with one of the experts at Image Tagging or somewhere, I'm sure that'd be fine. Happy editing, [[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] [[additions | e-mail]]19:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I can remove it with a heavy heart but I really am not sure whose copyrights we are violating? Dr.Who? Weakest link? BBC? -- Catchi? 20:54, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually I don't need to bother you with it. Ill remove the image and link to the image instead. It was hard to see anyways. -- Catchi? 21:24, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Nonsense you did your job (I think) ;) -- Catchi? 22:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Computer on #wikipedia-fr-vandalism
Hello, as i understand you are the maintainer of this Irc bot. I just want to know who is there is someone in the french team who is authorised to add (watched pages, white listed users, etc.) to this bot. I ask this because actually this bot is not very useful (and not well know too) for the french team as he detect nearly onlys blanking and suspected copyvios. Sincerely. fr:Utilisateur:Miniwark 12:56, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Adieussiatz, any admin and any whitelisted user can add others. I'd be more than happy to add you and others and modify the code in whatever way it suits your (French Wikipedia's) needs. The bot is designed for en.wikipedia vandal behavior and there of course will be differences. -- Catchi? 13:17, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Award from Dynamo_ace
An Award
For your rapid inclusion of various screenshots from Ah! My goddess! as well as various amendments, I, Dynamo_ace, award you the Tireless contibator barnstar
Back to complaining about access
I have found the evidence of why and proof it was unfair that I have my 10 removed.
I have only put in the parts I think are relevant. If you want I can give you the entire chat
history.
My time +10
Tue Oct 25 10:00:24 connected
[10:09] adam1213: if you want to tell me something I will be in wikipedia-en-vandalism or pm
me as most of the time I am not looking at this
probably thinking that I was not going to see what was said AbuJihad says
[10:02] AbuJihad: Adam, I'm going to spank you.
[10:02] * AbuJihad spanks Adam
[10:02] * adam1213 why
[10:02] * adam1213 spanks abujihad until i gets the idea not to dco it to me
[10:03] * AbuJihad spanks Adam viciously until Adam tearfully apologizes for being a bad boy
[10:03] * adam1213 no apologising
[10:03] * adam1213 YOU STARTED IT
[10:04] * adam1213 wonders why abujihad wants to argue with me
[10:10] * AbuJihad waves his open hand menacingly over Adam1213's heinie
[10:10] RobChurch: Kick his ass, AbuJihad ;-)
[10:11] * AbuJihad goes loco on Adam1213s ass!!
[10:11] * adam1213 wonders why thie hill abjihad is so crazy
[10:11] adam1213: an seams not all that smart
[10:12] AbuJihad: Adam1213, you bring it out in me, I can't help it
[10:13] AbuJihad: Adam1213, your prose is like jewels in my mouth
[10:15] karynn|zzz: Evilphoenix is an idiot.
[10:17] * adam1213 I don't knink that enivlphoenix is an idiot
[10:20] AbuJihad: Adam1213, how are you?
[10:20] adam1213: good
[10:21] AbuJihad: Adam, I'm going to kick your ass, is that okay?
[10:21] Minixbeak: AbuJihad: stop.
[10:21] WikiFanatic: AbuJihad, stop it
[10:21] AngryParsley: ALERT ALERT INTERNET FIGHT
[10:21] WikiFanatic: AbuJihad, if you keep at it you're going to get kicked
[10:21] AdamBishop: AbuJihad, khadahalum Allah!
[10:21] Jtkiefer: Abu, cool it
[10:21] AbuJihad: Angry, I would imagine not.
[10:22] * adam1213 I am going to kick you abujihad...
[10:22] WikiFanatic: adam1213 has ops?
[10:22] adam1213: no
[10:22] RobChurch: adam1213 can't kick anyone.
[10:22] Jtkiefer: nobody fears you adam either
[10:22] AbuJihad: Adam, you can't kick me, as far as I'm aware.
[10:22] adam1213: I was kicing
[10:22] adam1213: kiding
[10:22] Linuxbeak: AbuJihad: I said stop.
[10:22] RobChurch: Would we all like to chill out?
[10:22] WikiFanatic: Kicing isn't that good. XD
[10:22] adam1213: if i did have ops I would ask for support to kick you first anyway
[10:22] WikiFanatic: All I said was 'stop'
[10:22] * Redwolf24 sings the calm down song
[10:22] Dragonfly6-7: AbuJihad - inshallah, you won't get agitated again.
[10:22] RobChurch: adam1213: I can guarantee you won't get those.
[10:23] Jtkiefer: adam, stop, abu, stop ok
[10:23] adam1213: thanks linuxbeak for telling to stop
[10:23] Linuxbeak: Jtkiefer: thank you.
[10:23] AngryParsley: AbuJihad: come on Babajobu, chill
[10:23] Dragonfly6-7: And then the song helps them feel better.
[10:24] AbuJihad: Angry, I am calm now.
[10:25] *** -ChanServ- You have been deleted from the access list for [#wikipedia-en-vandalism]
also know as [10:31] *** AbuJihad is now known as Babajobu.
in wikipedia-en-vandalism [10:27] Jtkiefer: because I do not have faith that you'd be willing to show restraint if you got into a situation where you felt you wanted to kick or ban someone
Note that I was banned for speaking about this. NO WARNING that i would be kicked in my opinion there is a hypocrite....
I think I am not required to revaluate my vote the instant you make your posts. RfA's last so long for a reason. Geez. -- Catchi? 02:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Umm, I was kidding. Because mine didn't. One of the things pointed out to me was that I need to be a bit more explicit in my posts, so I'll take this as another example of me needing to work on that. But I do love the word "Geez". - brenneman(t)(c)03:06, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The bot is a MIRC script. You do not need to run the code to use it, you can simply join #wikipedia-en-vandalism channel on irc.freenode.net server and start using the bot. -- Catchi? 16:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I think he deserves a longer block, hey why not tag along on irc? ;) -- Catchi? 20:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I concur, you may increase the block if you see fit. I err on the side of caution for proxies. As to IRC, I usually find it distracting or unproductive (meaning, no one talks to me :")... as I have a TV tuner in my computer I can deal with one distraction in the background at a time. I will certainly reconsider my IRC and proxy policy. :"D - RoyBoy80020:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I was talking about #wikipedia-en-vandalism a channel full of people dedicated to fight against vandalism (and a vandalism detection bot is running).
Sorry, I am not an admin, I cant do it myself :) -- Catchi? 20:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
IRC/CVU issue
[03:23:57] <Jtkiefer> all I want done is for him to drop the issue,
to forget about ops and to continue like normal
[03:24:13] <Cool_Cat> can I copy that last line to his talk page?
[03:24:29] <Jtkiefer> yeah, sure
Jtkiefer, says he is ready to forget about this given you agree to forget about it.
You may feel the need to seek "justice", however it probably is in the best interest of wikipedia to drop the issue. IIRC you do not seek some sort of punishment for Jtkiefer so I also feel you want to be left alone and be able to fight vandalism in the channel w/o interference.
I say lets forget about the issue and deal with vandalism. This conflict only benefits vandals as it distracts us (you, Jtkiefer, me and anybody else involved) to some extent to focus on the big picture.
Sorry for the confusion let me explain/summarise. I just feel you want a truce as much as he does. This matter as I see it can only be settled if forgotten.
IIRC stands for If IRecall Correctly. Just annother annoying irc abv. :) -- Catchi? 12:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
This image has no source information. This means that it has an unknown copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided and a source is given, the image will be deleted seven days after the template was added.
Additionaly you should choose a more descriptive image name. Catchi? 13:57, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Are you sure? It would please me more if the image did sutvive. Do you recall where you got it from? -- Catchi? 12:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, actually I was merely improving on the image, "Klerck.jpg", as stated in my notation. I did say the following: "Improvement of Klerck.jpg (currently in en:Wikipedia) using photoshop". The composition of the original image was, in my opinion, bad in that it had too much headroom. In any case, I am getting so much less attached to Wikipedia these days that I don't really care what they do to my contributions, LOL. — PM Poon01:50, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I am not a deletionist. I think we can argue of a fair-use. The images Image:Klerck.jpg and Image:Klerck1.jpg look about the same. Can you tell my untrained eyses the diference? Is it sharper?
I understand that, I have also been dealing with rather annoying personalities on wiki, though I have no idea what your dispute is. I encourage you to stay with us. -- Catchi? 09:07, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, you wrote: "The images Image:Klerck.jpg and Image:Klerck1.jpg look about the same. Can you tell my untrained eyses the diference? Is it sharper?"
Please go to the webpage: "Image:Klerck.jpg", and look at the file history. The original version, at the bottom, reads:
If you press on the date field, you will see the original version, where there is a lot of empty space above the guy's head.
I am actually a Photoshop enthusiast. Whenever I see any pictures that can benefit from Photoshop, I will improve on it. Unfortunately, when I used the "Upload a new version of this file" feature, it never seems to work. I recently found out that it does actually work, although not instanteously (I wonder why). That explains why I uploaded, using the "new version" feature twice. When it did not seem to work, I downloaded the image, using Klerck1.jpg, a new file name, and it works instanteously.
As for your kind encouragement, I must thank you very much. Since you are very candid with me, I will be very candid with you. Honestly, as a foreigner, I feel discriminated against by a few British and I am really cheesed off by them. I have stopped contributing for quite many days now as I am now in another website where my contributions are more appreciated. However, I will still drop by once a while. Thank you again for your encouragement. — PM Poon11:33, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, for disputes we have a dispute resolution process. It is slow, but it works. I also suffer from the special care of some people.
I know wikipedia could use more photoshop entusiasts.
Additionaly, I encourage you to take a look at Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit, no one complains about people reverting vandalism (aside from vadals of whom are dealt with swiftly).
Where did you get this image from, I am merely curious about the identity of these people. -- Catchi? 04:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
These people are definitely in my family, on my side (not my wife's side). The picture was with a bundle of family photos left to me a few years ago by an aunt when she died. I scanned it into my computer. I think its a lovely pic, shame I'll probably never find out exactly who they were. Moral: always write the persons name on the back of a photo (the only thing on the back was the date). Thanks for your question - Adrian Pingstone12:37, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I see, I hate unresolved misteries, its like a novel that doesn't conclude. It indeed is a lovely pic. Another reason to construct a family tree :) -- Catchi? 18:16, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
How to use Autosign
note: ` is ` with shift
goto Preferences
turn on raw signatures
Make your nickname ````
change --```` to --```
edit it
save it
Optional chage your nickname to "" or what it used to be
Optional put raw signatures to what it used to be
You get the sig sign but I think to use it you might need to do Edit pages may be made harder by this the solution for this problem is a section above it and a section below and tell people not to edit the entire page.
Or have the page with {{top-of-articles-name}} ~~~~ {{bottom-of-articles-name}} but this puts a lot of strain on the servers and you would need 3 pages for it.
--☺Adam1213☺Talk+|WWW00:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh not an issue, I just wanted to make sure you go to the people with power by correcting the error, no harm done ;) -- Catchi? 18:10, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you note
Hi Cool Cat, you are really cool. Honestly, I was surprised when you notified me of your intention to delete Klerck1.jpg. "Normally", no one does that, they just delete, which is fine to me too. What I didn't like is when some administrators or editors start throwing their weight around. I feel that in a community portal, administrators must double up as counsellors and not as hooligans, LOL. You have a high dose of EQ and I wish you well. — PM Poon21:18, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I am not an administrator and I can delete the files though I generally try to get templates to be marked to be sourced so they get tagged properly than risk getting deleted. I generally deal with vandalism since the users that cause me stress otherwise dont seem to interfere with it. -- Catchi? 22:09, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I dont quite understand what are you trying to ask. :) -- Catchi? 15:51, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I havent used my office for ages, I made minor cleanups but havent quite used it, since I dont edit article namespace much anymore. -- Catchi? 16:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh I see what you mean. the images on my contacts thing are mental notes. I like to be able to quicckly look up who CVU members/admins and other people I may need rapid communication with. Regarding the bat image, take a look at: Goddess Relief Office. -- Catchi? 16:47, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, shorter code implies a more pro programmer... ;) -- Catchi? 10:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
CVU Award
I give you the CVU award for doing a great job with writing the bot and running it + being a very active user in the CVU but it would be good if you are on irc a little more....
Cool Cat gets the first Counter Vandalism Unit award for helping get rid of the rats and more.
The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks!
You reverted the article Rajput to a biased and historically distorted version. May I ask why is it so and how do you feel that your edit is justified?
Hi, please have a read of Wikipedia:Vandalism and Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View. I do not care about the content of Rajput article, however I do care about the removal and addition of large amount of information disrupting wikipedia. My interest in that article does not go beyond that. -- Catchi? 21:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
But that article that you removed was the one that almost all the editors agree upon but one and the one that you have posted is the one that contains the biased and historically distorted information. As a matter of fact you can judge this by the edits performed by different editors during the past few weeks. It can also be witnessed by reading at the corresponding talk page. I think your interest should be about the removal and addition of large amount of "Correct" information not the distorted one. Am I wrong?
Firstly, I did not remove any article. I added +8000 bytes with my edit on Rajput. I merely reverted someone removing 8000 bytes. As far as I care, removal of 8000 bytes with an edit summary "Shiv ,frankly do you have any suggestion or points for resolving this dispute, I'd b with you if you something sensible.HOWz that?". [18]
It is a topic I know nothing about. I monitor all of wikipedia just like any RC patroler.
Please use/promote legable edit summaries so other editors can easily tell exactly what you did on the edit. Adress wikipedia rather than a spesific user.
Tonikaku, "historically distorted information" sounds POV to me, but *meh* I really do not care. -- Catchi? 00:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I appreciate your desire to retain any useful information for the benefit of Wikipedia. Much of the historical information that User:Shivraj Singh continues to insert into the article has been moved to History of Rajputs, where it is presented in a less-hysterical and better edited fashion. Not much in the way of accurate content is lost by the removal of Shivraj Singh's edits, but much is gained in terms the article's neutrality and readability. Tom Radulovich07:01, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see whats going on now... Hmm... You seem to have it covered then. :) -- Catchi? 07:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
All these users Taoo/Wisesabre etc and some self proclaimed moderators like Zora/Goethean etc are just pushing muslim agenda. I have provided a list of 61 books from top researchers and these guys want to operate without citations. I have asked them repeatedly on the talk page to point out, with citations, what is POV, anti muslim in my edits and no one has responded till date. They are pushing a history which is *only* accepted by muslims and not by even person about whom this page is i.e the rajputs from India. It is really funny that a small group of pakistani muslims are trying to write the history of hindu rajputs.
Wikipedia has become a contest in outshouting the other. "Correct" version seems to be dependent on who has more numbers and these muslims are playing this game well. I will grant that Tom has some knowledge on the subject but not very deep.
You should keep an eye out for these users and help prevent muslim POV psuhing.
Hi, I understand your concerns. You may want to seek assitance from Wikipedia:Mediation, I try to stay away from POV disputes. -- Catchi? 12:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I can understand not getting involved but on one side we have references and citations and on the other we have none. Can we have bad scholarship on wikipedia where a very well referenced work is edited by a group who continuously refuses to provide any citations for there edits? Shivraj Singh04:43, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually a good protion of the people were not admins when I /put them among contacts/met them. :) -- Catchi? 06:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Can you help me with my user page.
I want the background of my links table to be the same colour as your cheatsheet border on your office page. (the gold colour...) also to make the table a little wider. You did I great job last time you helped with my user page so I thought you could do a great job again...
--Adam1213Talk+07:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I will gladly help however, I am about to zoom out, I'll get back to you on the first opertunity :) -- Catchi? 07:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
.
I have made a thing like your willy on wheels but has a thing for piping text User:Adam1213/wow
We can, but number of members should not be made a big deal in my view. We, the CVU, kick ass, no need to graph it. :) -- Catchi? 10:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Silent Mongoose:
Just been busy with school. In my last semester at HCC (fl) and transfering to USF next semester for all of the fun EE classes. Don't worry, I didn't die of attrition. - Dbroadwell 22:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I like the counter vandalism logo, sorry i haven't gotten more of the queued bot processing running. - Dbroadwell23:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ah glad to hear you are somewhere. :) -- Catchi? 12:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Trials and Tribulations
Cool_Cat, I've just read some of your User Page and some of the details of your recent trials and tribulations. My gut feeling as a relatively new user on WP is that many in here and perhaps yourself have become "addicted" to this place and have let it replace real life. Any thoughts on this? User: Barry Wells, November 10, 2005. Current IRC nick "LabattLaBall."
Comon side effect of wikipedia. Some what an accurate analysis but at times wikipedia had became unbareable for me. I do have a real life, wikipedia is a part of it. -- Catchi? 12:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Do realise best editors often don't get the recognition they deserve as everyone knows how notable they are. Few people will doubt David Gerards role in vandal fighting, yet noone rains him barnstars. ;) -- Catchi? 16:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
IRC ProbeCom bot
Could you add a feature to /msg users the filtered edits for a particular user under probation? eg, have the bot /msg Marudubshinki all Onefortyone's edits, so they don't get lost in the clutter of the channel, since it seems to be doubling as a discussion of MentCom and the place the bot deposits its edit warnings. --Maru(talk)Contribs03:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also: could you change the "pro" command to "probe" or at least alias "probe"? I'd greatly appreciate that. Likewise, I would be gratified and amused if you could make the 'access denied' message "I'm sorry, FOO. I'm afraid I can't do that." instead of the current "I cannot comply..." --Maru(talk)Contribs06:51, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
bot plans...
I have managed to get cmd to connect to irc. I could connect to the recent changes list and get the url's of articles, I could program something to download them, scan them for certaint words and post a message if any of the words specified were found...
I have autoit getting the last thing from the log file and I have it sending to it. I could use any other client instead as long as it has logging, (just about.)
I use a command that sends text to a window and I have to have the info on the window to know which one to send to. If I dont use this command it needs to grab input...
Cool Cat, do you know Kawaii Neko (talk • contribs)? He tried to do some well-meaning but inappropriate things with the redirects from your old username (User:Coolcat)–which I have repaired–and has adopted the layout and formatting of your user pages for his own.
Hmm that was me registering usernames for posible imposteration, and discovered how I could use templates. :) -- Catchi? 19:14, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for watching my back and keep up the good work. Sorry for the rather short previous reply...
The reason I am using is because of the issue with inter wiki-redirects not working properly. So I thought using the templates to create dupes of myself for people tring to link to my userpage from other wikis. I dono, its not the best way to do it but, I am not sure what an alternative could be. I am open to suggestions... -- Catchi? 14:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Transcluding user and user talk pages
Welcome!
Hello とある白い猫/Archive/2005, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
I've reverted your changes and restored the redirects. Using transclusion in this situation causes a number of problems. First, the transcluded content is not updated on the page that refers to it until the referencing page is edited—the referencing page will fall out of date and out of sync with the transcluded page. Second, for a User talk page, an editor who uses the 'add section' button (the little + symbol) to leave a message will end up adding the section to the wrong talk page. Consequently, the new username (Cool Cat) won't be notified that a message has been left on the Coolcat talk page. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding your own user pages, please edit them so that they no longer identify you as Cool Cat. It's probably quite flattering for him that you've adopted his style and layout for your user pages, but it will be confusing to other editors to leave his name on them. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, was there some confusion about what I was doing? I just archived the discussion (see the link at top) and fixed a font problem caused by one user's incorrectly coded signature.---CH (talk)22:35, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, sorry, sorry... However the signature issue is taking place wikipedia-wide, something appears to be broken as multiple users whose signatures otherwise worked are experiencing problems. -- Catchi? 22:46, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Vandals
Hi. I just wanted to say you have the best userpage I've ever seen. I just want to know, why on earth does it keep getting vandalized?(P.S. speaking of which, someone vandalized the Green Bay Packers page. Would you mind reverting it please? I don't know to fix a big mess like that. Thanks)--D-Day23:06, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! The page you mentioned is already fixed.
The reason my userpage gets vandalised is probably because of my effort to remove vandalism from wikipedia, some vandals dont like getting reverted apperantly. :)
For further use: The way to fix vandalism is through page history. You can compare versions and click on the prefered version :) -- Catchi? 23:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Signpost
"Cool Cat also worried that unbanning these users might encourage vandals. To help with the supervision, Cool Cat has developed a bot that shows each edit by an editor under mentorship."
True but cleaning articles from spelling and grammer errors (copy editing) should be encouraged on every opertunity.
If you have the time, I welcome you to "copyedit" my userpage and/or this article Oh My Goddess!
Thats all I got for now. -- Catchi? 10:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikibooks IRC bot
Hi Cool Cat. You IRC bot is a great tool, but I have some suggestions. It is not possible to add an user to blacklist (only IP's are accepted) - can you fix it? Is it possible to get full list of watched pages/whitelisted and blacklisted users? I also would like to know when this bot reports wheeler (we had one case on Wikibooks, but I wasn't warching the bot so I don't know if it reacted properly). BTW, you have registered #wikibooks-en-vandalism channel at FreeNode, but it does not have ChanServ and Wikibooks users cannot f.e. change topic of the channel. I don't know FreeNode well, can you make #wikibooks-en-vandalism be like #wikipedia-en-vandalism? --User:Derbethtalk19:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Edit analysis chart per your request
Sorry for the delay; I've done the graph for you. Your use of edit summaries is 28% overall. First 500 edits was 25%, last 500 was 39%. Your average edits per day is 49, and stable (not changed much since July or so). Your peak # of edits on a given day was 327 on April 1, 2005. You've had eight other days in excess of 200. You have contributed something on 85% of the days available since you started editing on February 4, 2005. I conclude; you're a nutcase and need psychological help for your addiction. More serious medical symptoms may set in with kidney failure due to not going to the bathroom when your body demands, acid reflux due to not eating, severe loss of weight due to same, severe repetitive stress symptoms most notably in the hands and wrists, and early onset of arthritis most likely in the wrists. I won't give you any more charts until the twitching stops. :) All the best, --Durin15:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Arigato gozaimasu, yea I am somewhat addicted. Graph says it all :D -- Catchi? 18:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop in and say thank for the wikipediaholic template; Lord knows I need it being the most addicted Wikipedian of them all!!! — Moeε03:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Very cool! Thanks for your hard work on the wikipediaholic template!!!! Thanks from a fellow wikipedia "junkie"! --Moreau36; 0352, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I'm just letting you know that PRueda29Ptalk29 is on a Wikibreak. In his absence, I'm watching his watchlist and other stuff. If you can spare the time take a look at his watchlist (on his user or my talk page) and help keep things in order by watching some of those. Thanks, :-) --hydnjotalk04:19, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you!
Hi Cool Cat,
Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Regards, JoanneB14:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
#wikipedia-it-vandalism
Hi Coolcat, the chan is really great! I have a little request, can you whitelist it:Utente:ZeroBot since it is a bot belonging to it:Utente:Paginazero (admin on it.wiki). He is using the bot to insert articles about films and they get detected as possible copyvio, but they're not and it's hard to see the real possible vandalism messages. Thanks a lot. --Cruccone23:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I am a bit overwhelmed on how to go on with this article. Suggestions? -- Catchi? 18:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, we need recaps on episodes 13 up to 24, plus a spoken word version of this article is required because the old version is obloste and computerised (it is on the article's talk page if you need more details). Umm, thats all i can consider at the moment that won't make the artcle biased or overloaded. --Dynamo_ace19:19, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll get 13 - 24 done, I really have been slacking off from doing that primarily because of the ex-arbcom case taking too much of (all of) my time.
Tonikaku, spoken version has to wait till we have all 24 episodes summerised. I do not want to rush it ;). It takes me about 20 minutes to do a single episode (as each ep is that long :P).
We need the "movie" expanded. An hour and a half long movie cant be summerised to a paragraph that small :). Can you do that for me? -- Catchi? 16:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, i only know the TV series and i have only read the first 5 issues of the magna. Anything relating to the OVA and Movie i can't do, primarly because i don't want to watch it due to it feeling like a rushed cash-in. -Dynamo_ace17:47, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Movie is realy stand alone, it is not detached from the plot. I also refuse to watch the OVA, at least I hope to last till season 2 which is expected to air in about a year or more, given there is no information weather there will be a season 2 or not. I really do not understand the logic of Anime companies... -- Catchi? 17:56, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Hey is it possible for you to add a link to your talk page on your sig? Thanks. -- Catchi? 16:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Its easy, just go to preferences and check the "raw signature" box and Type: [[User:Dynamo ace|Dynamo_ace]] [[User talk:Dynamo ace|Talk]] and save, any sig you create afterwards will have the talk link. Of course there is no reason not to throw in a few html tags like my sig :) -- Catchi? 17:57, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Need a second opion
We have a anon vandal who keeps on reducing the quility of the article by causing the following edit shown in this link:
The vandal uses 3 different IPs and if i revert the article for the third time i may violate the 3RR rule. I need your opion on the article. -Dynamo_aceTalk
Hmm, is this an alternative spelling? I would be hard pressed to call this vandalism. It looks like just another revert war... ;) -- Catchi? 18:19, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh thanks for the link... -- Catchi? 18:21, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
my vandalism reverter and warner
I will soon get my vandalism reverter and warner working really well in a way that you can still do things while it is running and also fix a small problem in it after I made an inprovement on a part of it to speed it up. I will also add to an irc client that I made some things to be more integrated with the bot, like buttons for next article, revert, revert + warn, revert + warn + add to bots blacklist and say that an article has been reverted...
Your page should say, "you've persecuted us for generations," not "prosecuted." It would be really funny if the Dark Templar were complaining about extensive legal fees:-) 07:05, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
It shall be done... For Aiur! Thanks! -- Catchi? 08:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Want another physical? -- Catchi? 09:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Blocked for 24h
For blindly reverting Karl Meier (without even reading the diffs), I'm forced to block you for 24h. Everyone has the right to edit the wiki, and as advice the arbcom may end up banning you from Kurdish articles if you don't stop this... Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians!21:46, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
....Whales don't have an sufficient enough body of hair to shave..! You can't shave whales...! What do you mean by "shaving whales"..? I'm curious.-MegamanZero 9:40 28,November 2005 (UTC)
It's "shave the Jimbo Wales!" -- Catchi? 08:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
...What's "shave the Jimbo Wales"...?-MegamanZero 11:28 28,November 2005 (UTC)
..Astounding..! They actually allow such a wikiproject to exist...? Sign me up!-MegamanZero 11:48 28,November 2005 (UTC)
Well, it was ment to be a joke, it was to in a way "protest" a number of wikiprojects seeking "decency", etc... If you really want to sign up... go for it. Since Jimbo Wales also finds it amusing thats why it still exists. We are not on a Jihad against Jimbos beard, no. :) -- Catchi? 17:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hilarious indeed! I've added my name to the list....Beard beware! -MegamanZero
Oh, and nice userpage design! Though it pales in comparison to my userpage!(Laughs manically) =) -MegamanZero
- Well, its obvious the edvidence is substantial, as well as it backs up consensus pior to UFU sightings. As such, I have to agree- you are a sockpuppet of aliens. Of course, that means, that as a sockpuppet, we'll have to trace you back to the sockpuppeteer
that pulls your strings, right..? =) -MegamanZero19:12 29,November 2005 (UTC)
Something else for you to fix (hehe)
I presume it is your bot running in #wikpedia-en-vandalism (19:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)) - There is a fault with the "userparse" thing or whatever it is called. For example: [[Special:Log/newusers]]: Warning! "[[User:Dothackangel]]" has a nick containing the flag word: "hack" Block: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Blockip&ip= As you can see the link doesn't go to the right destination. Thanks, --FireFox19:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there, Cool Cat, I noticed you were one of only two (!) users who pushed for {{VotesforSemiprotect}} and I'm here to tell you that a couple users and myself have been trying to get this proposal re-looked at/passed. I believe I got the origional idea from you (about the time when I was getting serious with my edits), and therefore have you to thank in terms of getting this off the ground. If you wouldn't mind weighing in at Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, that would be muy appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mysekurity05:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Why did ya put that back in, is it important, am I missing something? Because with that in there, it actually shifts the icon to the right. Take it out and it becomes centered. - RoyBoy80017:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I was trying to modify the colors only, you can adjust the text align, I wasn't intending to do that. My most sincere apologies and gratitude for catching my error... -- Catchi? 17:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Assistance
Cool Cat, may I request some tips and tricks-of-the-trade regrading adminship? ...Would you be as so kind to help me on my quest to (eventually) become an admin..? I think I'd contribute well to the other users of our fair community, and I have read the articles on adminship all at least twice. Also, could you look at my contributions, discussions, etc. and tell me your humble opinion of me as a user in wikipedia...? Any criticism would be quite helpful. Normally, I'd be asking Tony, but he's kinda busy right now. -MegamanZero 23:41 30,November 2005 (UTC)
I failed to achieve adminship access with two trials. I no longer seek adminship. Reasons are:
I do not care about/understand wiki-politics (I am here to merely write/expand an encyclopedia).
no one explained me why they opposed my RfA to the point of leaving wikipedia if I were adminised.
people are being dicks and are torturing me by taunting with "do this or I will oppose your next rfa" or "that comment is why you arent an admin".
Threfore I do not seek adminship, it would however make my vandal fighting efforts easier but it is serriously not worth my time.
Hence I am a very bad person to talk to for advice. Any advice I may give to you or if people think I am helping you that may geportise your adminship effort.
Regretfully, I cannot be of any help to you either way. :( -- Catchi? 12:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Somehow, I find that hard to believe. You seem like a nice enough guy, as well as having the long-term goal of improving wikipedika in mind. You also seem to have a knack for honesty, something I find admirable. All you need too do is wash your mouth out with soap, and you'll go far. =) -MegamanZero
Well, believe it or not, thats how it is... -- Catchi? 16:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
That's too bad....I think people should get to know you better before making making assumptions like that. However, if its any assumption, I believe you are a good wikipedian and I thought (still do) you could be of help. Besides, anyone with a username like Cool Cat can't be all that bad!-MegamanZero
Thanks! But why not touch articles like Armenian Genocide..? And why avoid people who do things on WP:ABF...? Just curious.-MegamanZero 20:58 1,December 2005 (UTC)
Since I touched that controversial article, several people made my wikipedia exerience miserable, at several occasions I had seriously considered leaving. For their horrid behaviour I am held responsible in the minds of several users. It's just how wiki-politics works, I dont claim to have an understanding of it. Thats the best explanation I can come up with. I do not think it should make any logical sense tho.
If people are ABF, they must have a reason right? :)
Tonigaku, controversial are like the sun if you get to close to them you only end up getting burnt. Even if you leave such articles alone for months you will still be a "POV Pusher" 12,000 edits later. -- Catchi? 19:04, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I see. In another note, I looked at this, and it was quite interesting...may I inquire why those two were stalking you and why you have been designated mentors..? You do not seem like the type to cause trouble, my friend.-MegamanZero 23:14 1,December 2005 (UTC)
I do not know... They either sincerely saw me as a threat to wikipedia (Hawthorne's: Road to hell is paved with good obsessions) or they enjoy anoying others. Although I hope its not the latter, I cant rule it out either. -- Catchi? 21:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
You may want to not copy an RfAr page... :) -- Catchi? 21:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe its a very interesting conversation; and furthurmore, a perfect example of how not to act on wikipedia. Hopefully, it'll help in my learning process of becoming an admin. BTW, How do you think I stack up for the position...?-MegamanZero 0:14 2,December 2005 (UTC)
December
Template- Belgian King??
Why did u make this template, there was a much better one there before that was standard for all monarchs, and much more accurate. And his heir apparent is not Duke Philipe it is Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant, there is a difference. Mac Domhnaill02:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
When I visited those articles there was no infobox template, I did not know the existence of a generic template, furthermore I think it looks fine :)
Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant is too long of a title to fit in the info box. I merely shortened it to Duke Philipe you can change it to whatever you feel is more accurate but please if you can try to make it short so it looks nice :) -- Catchi? 12:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Thats alright, so is it better now? All sorted? The Belgian king articles were a mess due to misaligned infoboxes... :( -- Catchi? 10:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Slovenian Armed Forces's Military Ranks Insignias
As you're author of these insignias on :commons, could you also done CO's and Generals ranks (so far I found only Soldier's and NCO's ranks - I collected them here). You could find CO's and General's insignia on Slovene insignia. If you have already done them, could you direct me to them? Regards, --Klemen Kocjancic12:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh that’s easy, I meant to move those images to commons, if you can do that for me you will make me very happy, its just too much work for me :)
Images are available in Ranks and insignia of NATO, I have only completed "Army Officer" and "Army Enlisted", I intend to do air force, navy, and others sometime.
There is a naming convention you should use (trust me this makes things easy on the long run) to rename the images so they all are standard named. The convention for officers is xx-Army-OF#.gif where xx is the country code and # is the NATO code. Ex: Image:US-Army-OF9.gif. Enlisted follow this: Image:US-Army-OR9a.gif -- Catchi? 12:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, SAF uses one set of insignia, so you have one Armed Force completed ;). I'll moved them according to others, you've already move (on licence and so one). Regards, --Klemen Kocjancic12:23, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be glad to wikify the page- mind telling me what needs attention..? I know I should make some character pages...-MegamanZero 20:32 1,December 2005 (UTC)
The characters such as BelldandyKeiichi etc needs proper referencing. The page List of Oh My Goddess episodes has links to 25 episodes of the show which some need attention and cleanup work. -- Catchi? 21:45, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I did try to include a section showing what character refers another character as (For example, Belldandy refers Keiichi as Keiichi-san) but it was removed for being non-encyclopedic. -Dynamo_aceTalk
It is encyclopedic if you explain its something to do with the japaneese culture. -san is for respected, -sama is for nobility and gods goddesses etc.. -- Catchi? 10:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
You have both been blocked for twelve hours, subject to review (see WP:AN/I).
This is a copy of comments I've made on the talk pages of your other mentors'
Cool Cat has recently engaged in very aggressive, unprovoked attacks on Karl Meier, including blindly reverting the latter's edits on two Kurd-related articles--on which Cool Cat has not previously edited for over two months.
He and Karl Meier have both edit warred on Kurdistan, and I've just blocked both for twelve hours. Cool Cat's edits on Kurdistan, without the aggressive behavior, would be borderline, but in the circumstances I'm inclined to the view that the problems are unlikely to be resolved because Cool Cat will not improve his behavior. I think we should consider banning him from editing any articles related to Turkey or the Kurds for two weeks. Please see the talk page of the mentorship (the link in the subject header of this section). --Tony Sidaway|Talk21:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I read them alright. Sorry I cant reply to you on your talk page. If you haven’t noticed I have walked away from that revert war. Karl is know for his disruptive revert wars, I'd like to remind you that he also failed to make an effort to use discussion properly aside from declaring me random titles similar to his behavior on his stalking spree which I find highly uncivil. Please have an objective approach. I do not like how this is going.
Because of them I have suffered greatly and apparently am still suffering. 5 out of 5 blocks I received on wikipedia were requested by Karl, The 6th and current block is a result of Karls actions as well. Why am I the only person bothered by this fact? Davenbelle's recent behaviour should also be examined (He actually restarted opposing me on straw polls). -- Catchi? 21:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I warned you both and yet you both ignored me and resumed edit warring, which isn't good for Wikipedia. I'm giving Wikipedia a twelve-hour rest from you both. I've subjected the case to review on WP:AN/I.
Being able to edit articles on very volatile subjects means knowing how to deal with very disruptive behavior by other editors without making matters worse. You haven't yet acquired that skill. If we do decide to ban you, it will be for a short period, and will be solely in the interests of Wikipedia. We won't be saying that your input isn't acceptable, but that your actions aren't sufficiently sensitive to the circumstances. --Tony Sidaway|Talk21:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think I was doing fine. Again (like it has always been) Karl is interfering with my edits on a volatile article. I could be viewed as pushing Kurdish pov there as far as an average Turkish nationalist is concerned. I have made references to US history on why several sections don’t belong to the article, the actual discussion have recently started a ban of me from that article will complicate matters. Karl is not a part of that discussion see his comments. If I made such comments I would be eaten alive on #wikipedia for months. -- Catchi? 21:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I have asked redwolf24 to mediate this one (prior to being blocked), if he agrees I think I can manage this (Kurdistan). No? -- Catchi? 21:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
IRC vandalism script
Could you please add me to wherever I need to be added to have Computer2 recognise me as an administrator, not just a whitelisted user? Thanks. Harro503:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I see you had a bit of trouble with Karl Meier on Kurdistan. After Karl Meier telling you were doing the wrong thing you should of asked someone else for their opinion and gotten them to change it if they thought that it should of been changed. Put on the talk page a link to the difference page of how you think it should be and see what people think and ask for someone to change it if they agree. Please stop going on so many wiki breaks, people want to speak to you with suggestions for the bot and other things (positive things). --Adam1213Talk+12:08, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
About Oh! My Goddess....
...I've looked at the pages, and the first step to making them conform to a higher quality would be making info boxes, stating their names, ages, elemental affinity, etc. I've drawn out a prototype below:
What do you think..? If you agree, I'll make it and insert in into the articles, as well as dividing the information into subsections for easier reference. -MegamanZero 15:06 3,December 2005 (UTC)
Doable. I would like that, however "Age" will be a controversial thing since we know Urd is several hundred thousand years old although time flows differently in heaven, one second there could be several hundred years here. :) -- Catchi? 18:59, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Great to see your keyboard problem is over with, and nice to have you back. Actually, she's only in her late twenties. =) Furthermore, I've made the templates, which can be found here. Tell me what you think. Also, You didn't reply to [my last comment above. Thanks. -MegamanZero 21:36 3,December 2005 (UTC)
Okay. I'll do just that. -MegamanZero 22:30 3,Decmber 2005 (UTC)
Signature
Can you add a talk page link to your sig? :) -- Catchi? 20:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Be my guest. And, if I may be so kind to inquire, can you show me how to customize my username..? I was thinking of making the Zero part in MegamanZero red colored text. :) -MegamanZero 22:27 3,Decmeber 2005 (UTC)
OK click "preferences" and mark "raw signatures" checkbox then replace the signature field with something like this: [[User:MegamanZero|MegamanZero]] [[User Talk:MegamanZero|Talk]] I'll leave the creativity bit to you :) -- Catchi? 20:22, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Progress
Here's what I got so far:
Belldandy
Urd
Skuld
Peorth (still doing analysis)
....and I'll finish everyone else up sooner or later.-MegamanZero 1:12 4,December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I am reprocessing your work and making minor adjustments here and there, see: Belldandy ;) -- Catchi? 23:00, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I saw that. Well, fuck me then. :) That's very nice-looking. Mind doing that to the other articles too..? I'm busy with research on Peorth.-MegamanZero 1:19 4,Decmber 2005 (UTC)
Why dont you tag along on irc? Makes life more bearable when wikipedia is down. :) -- Catchi? 00:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
How do I do that..?-MegamanZero 2:26 4,December 2005 (UTC)
Oh, get an irc client and go to server irc.freenode.net and join #wikipedia :) -- Catchi? 00:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
And how do I get an irc client...?-MegamanZero 2:49 4,December 2005 (UTC)
I'm have IRC now, but I'm having a hell of a time finding you on a server. Could you be more specific..? With server and location info, I mean.-MegamanZero 3:26 4,December 2005 (UTC)
That damn IRC
Hmmm....This is being very difficult...I do not see a way out of it...I still can't find it -could I request you give me directions starting form after one pushes the file tab in the upper left-hand corner and then give me instructions from there..?-MegamanZero 3:57 4,December 2005 (UTC)
Pass through all menus till you reach the status bar.
Type "/server irc.freenode.net" on the text box without the " "
Once logged in (you may need to change nicks) type "/join #wikipedia"
Areyouserious...? That's like a bazillion edits all in the course of five minutes. Try using the "preview" button, pal.-MegamanZero 14:28 4,December 2005 (UTC)
The nature of the edits are quite different. in total about 6000+ bytes were removed wikipedia, thanks to the usage of the template. I generally make many large edits :) (and yes I do use preview) -- Catchi? 12:26, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I just found it somewhat humorous; after all, they were all done in succession. :) -MegamanZero 14:42 4,December 2005 (UTC)
Heh. You should have seen me during my last edit storm :P. -- Catchi? 12:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I added the template but have no idea where you are getting data regarding them :) so I'll let you fill in the blanks.
Also couldn’t manage to IRC? I can help you more but I have no idea what’s keeping you :) -- Catchi? 14:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Consider them done. As for IRC, its sooo damn confusing... How about this..? Just give me detailed step-by-step instructions on how to find your server, etc. starting from when a person opens up the program.-MegamanZero 16:52 4,December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for deleting those images. May I ask a favor? Can you please "rename" some of the images that appear on this page? The ones under Season 1 section. I was trying to get them all to follow the Oh My Goddess 1x??.png pattern. -- Catchi? 02:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think images can be renamed. You might just have to upload them and get the old ones speedily deleted :( Cheers. Enochlau02:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I know that thats why it was in quotes :P -- Catchi? 10:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
"Editcountism"
Cool cat,
My vote on Luigi30's RfA has nothing to do with how many edits he has. I personally wouldn't care if he had half the edits that he has. I really wouldn't. What concerns me is a very significant lack of involvement in the project. There are a broad spectrum of people who are involved in Wikipedia. Some are serious wikiholics, like User:BD2412. Some barely contribute, making just an edit here or there every few months or so. Outside of the users who edit once or twice and disappear, everyone is somewhere along that spectrum. A number of people, myself included, feel that being very close to the low activity end of the spectrum is bad for an admin. There are a number of reasons for this.
Emblematic of one of those reasons; Luigi, in response to critics of his low activity level, has had a surge today in activity. But, in at least two instances he has not followed procedure. He placed a copyright violation notice on Tarrytown Music Hall ([20]), but did not place a notice regarding the copyvio at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2005 December 5, per procedure. This also happened at Anna Rosmus ([21]). An active contributor to Wikipedia would most likely not have made this error. Luigi30 in these instances is not demonstrating knowledge of procedure nor due diligence in properly executing procedure. This to me shows the marks of an inexperienced editor. This has nothing to do with how many edits he has; it has to do with his dedication, experience, and knowledge of current policy and procedure.
Personally, I think Luigi30 is very, very dedicated to IRC but he lacks dedication to Wikipedia. We're not building an IRC channel. That's not our purpose. Our purpose here is building an encyclopedia. His statements that he does not have the time to contribute much on Wikipedia right now are simply false. He did in fact make more than 1900 comments on IRC over the last three weeks, while making just 14 edits over the same 3 weeks to Wikipedia. He most definitely does have the time but, either passively or actively, has made a choice not to contribute to Wikipedia very much at all, and instead focus his time on the IRC channel. I don't have any problem with someone being on the IRC channel. But, to use school taking up his time as an excuse while being highly active on IRC is simply fallacious.
If Luigi30 spent a fraction of the time he spends on IRC learning Wikipedia policy/procedure and demonstrated proper execution of same, I probably wouldn't have any problem supporting him. But, right now, he's simply proving the point that his activity level is problematic. This isn't "RfA cult"ism or "editcountism".
And to head off criticism from other vectors; I'm not trying to sway your vote in any respect. I'm explaining my vote, and why I feel it has valid basis. I don't care how you vote. I vote in good conscience, and do not make votes lightly. That's all I was trying to convey to you. --Durin16:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
And an admin deleted images I uploaded (for suspected copyright infringement which was not the case) and the templates they appeared on without bothering to list it on the copy vio page. People make mistakes regardless of if they are admins or not. Also how do you expect him to do admin work without admin powers?
Don't underestimate the IRC, several of the tools available on IRC such as my vandal detection bot and NullC's bot make admins job easier. RC patrolling without admin powers is like attempting to glide towards the wind. You can only go so much...
Besides even hyperactive people such as myself are not adminised so that shouldn't be a criteria. -- Catchi? 16:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting that hyperactivity is a criteria for being an admin. Rather, the lack of knowledge of Wikipedia policy (as Luigi30 demonstrated today) is a reason against being an admin. People, including admins, make mistakes all the time. It's the nature of being human. For example, 1 out of every 400 keystrokes you make (on average) will be an error that you do not detect. Admin candidates need to be evaluated based on the information at hand. A low level of activity is, to some people, a demonstration of lack of ability and/or knowledge and/or dedication. To some, missing one or more of these qualities is a disqualifying factor for an RfA. I made my vote Luigi30's nom on low activity because of this, and I've been borne out by his errors today (I've found a third similar error as well). Luigi30 doesn't need admin powers to place copyvio notices in appropriate places. I do not in any respect discount the value that IRC does contribute to Wikipedia. It can be tremendously helpful.
I did not take your comments personally. Frankly, I find the ongoing hatred of me on IRC hysterical. I periodically review the logs and find it amusing reading. Some weeks back, I allowed myself to get very upset about a situation here, but now I let such criticisms roll off of me, and do not take them personally. Your comments were very mild in comparison. I just wanted to explain my vote to you. --Durin16:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I am not aware of such hatred. I would find such hatred disruptive. You are a fine wikipedia editor. However do realise several people on IRC enjoy upsetting others. That reminds me, I should have xeeded 15,000 edits. Is it possible for you to update the graph? :)
Dont let people on IRC upset you remotely. Try tagging along on the RC patrol chan if you really want to entertain self :) -- Catchi? 16:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Archive, why did this move here? I mean the edit box?
I see. This has been the user that has been blatantly vandalising at my school. If its any corelation, He's the reason why I've been blocked on several occasions when I try to make (constructive) edits. I wish there were a way to stop him so that editors like myself could continue to edit in good faith without being blocked.... May I make a suggestion..? How about I add all his "contribution" pages to my watchlist..? That way I can revert his vandalising and other editors can continue to edit in good faith without being blocked. -MegamanZero 22:49 5,Deacember 2005 (UTC)
Sounds like a very good way of doing something constructive about the vandalism. Also you could talk to Cool Cat, he may be able to help you to track vandalism from that IP, because he has a vandalbot written to run on mirc. --Tony Sidaway|Talk21:21, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like a plan; I'll talk to Cool Cat concerning your bot advice.-MegamanZero 0:34 5,December 2005 (UTC)
That IP is blacklisted. Any edit coming from that ip will be monitored very closely at #wikipedia-en-vandalism thank you for the notice but we were already watching him. If you could IRC things would be much easier. (Try ircing from home, your school might have disabled/blocked irc. -- Catchi? 02:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
School ips like all shared ips breed vandalism cleaning up your schools mess is nice and quite a noble move. However only thing I can offer is the irc bot which requires you to be on irc :P -- Catchi? 02:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
You could use CDVF but I do not know how it works. -- Catchi? 02:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, would it be possible for your IRC bot to respond to certain strings of text the edit summary field? Although most vandals don't leave an edit summary, it would be nice if we could have the bot report edits that have a stuff like "test4" in the edit summary, or a 'code' we agree upon, like "**", that non-admins can add to an edit summary to get admin attention quickly. (if I remember correctly this was originally one of Doc Glasgow's ideas, but it was never followed up on). Ideally, it would be nice to be able to add stuff to it ourselves (like we can with the commands bl and wl add, and cvp, etc), but even a short, preprogrammed list would be helpful. Well, just see what you can do with it, whenever you feel like it. And thanks for all you efforts, your bot really is cool! :-) --JoanneB13:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh My Goddess! (OVA)
I have added all the plot details I intended to included for Oh My Goddess! (OVA): if you have any comments or objections on these, please let me know. I can now add to your individual episode pages, though I was wondering if you had any particular format in mind for this, or could direct me to a similar, albeit more complete, article, where I could see how one of this kind should be formatted. Thanks! Elric of Grans01:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I already prepared the format for you :) Just edit below the spoiler tag and you should be fine :) -- Catchi? 01:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Great job, I am eager to see the reviews for other episodes. You may want to never mention trivia for future episodes instead mention trivia on the future episode (in context). Something like "Keiichi's huntch on episode 1 was because of his previous encounter when they were younger." Etc... -- Catchi? 19:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. That is not a bad idea with the trivia, but all of it only applies in the final episode, so it would mean it all piles into one article, rather than being spread out over the series. I am thinking more along the lines of `make sure you do not miss' than `if you saw it, then this is why'. Elric of Grans22:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Are you accusing ME of vandalism?
Striver took my comments out of context and reorganized them. I tried to revert to a version before he started editing me. If I omitted any of his comments, it was inadvertent. Please ask HIM not to unilaterally reorganize other people's comments (as he has done previously), don't call me a vandal. Zora01:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You removed over 2000 bytes, I do not care about the details. You are being no better than an average vandal with your careless editing. Also two wrongs don’t make a right. Please try not to make large removals. Thanks. -- Catchi? 01:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, will YOU please restore the article? Or stop Striver? He feels that he has been vindicated and is re-arranging the talk page again. Zora03:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Aargh, it's worse than just rearranging my comments. Apparently he has decided to reorganize all the older entries on the talk page and move them into Striver-created archives by subject. Zora03:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I really don’t like this. I'll investigate this. -- Catchi? 14:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Re: Commons: bajoran ranks
It is pd because drawing them takes little effort and hence a copyright cannot apply. This is like copyrighting starfleet pips which are basically golden circles. Too simple to copyright. Source will be myself. I drew them but I wouldn’t be surprised identical images appear on the web as like I said they are to simple of a design. -- Catchi? 18:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, sorry for the trouble. -- Catchi? 16:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
AFD
Please vote at this AFD. It was relisted due to a lack of votes. I would like to close this sometime. Thank you.Voice of AllT|@|ESP 17:10, 8 December 2005 (UTC
Looks interesting. I think I'll partake in the discussion.-MegamanZero 20:15 8, December 2005 (UTC)
What's up?
This is Aaron (used to be c2aaron). Had to get a new username. I'm not in Lincoln Place anymore. So, I got a new IP.
Welcome back. Glad to see you sticking around. -- Catchi? 11:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
bot
Your bot has stopped working and I have a really old version where can I get the new one and can you restart yours and add in something so that if in 5 mins the amount of suspected vandalism has not changed it will respond to computer restart (checking that you said its nickname)
--Adam1213Talk+04:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I rebooted the bot, although I suspect ıt started working prior. I'll add that to the things to do. Realise that wikipedia does die and when that happens I do not want the bot to restart. So this will be some hard core programming. -- Catchi? 11:25, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh I have been continuously stalked since April or perhaps further back... Tonigaku "How about you stop being a jackass?" is a clear violation of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL, I'd post it on WP:ANB/I without delay. -- Catchi? 00:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I have no tolerance to stalking. Whatever you do, do not violate any of wikipedias policies. Don’t leave them any room to make random noise and confuse arbcom as stalking generally goes on forever. So long as you play by the rules I will do everything im my power to help you. Ie consider yourself under my wing unless you play with matches ;). -- Catchi? 00:47, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Cool Cat. I'm not quite that bold though; I won't violate any policies just to get back at a person. I did, however, add both TheOgry and K Lantis to the list of WP:NOOB, though. BTW, what did you think of my responses in each of those situations..? -MegamanZero07:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is "OK", some people might complain but not much. I would ignore his comments with any level of incivility, just notify admins on the notice board. Or you may want to RfC him although it may be a bit premature for that atm. -- Catchi? 11:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
If you're willing, I would like to ask you to make a naval rank insignias of Slovenian Armed Forces. I could use the official images, but they aren't so good as yours (see here). Regards, --Klemen Kocjancic14:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I will do that, however I want to do all airforce and navy insignias in the process :) You may like Ranks and insignia of NATO -- Catchi? 03:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
No biggie, feel free to copy the structure to your userspace, honest mistakes are fine although some people may go ballistic if people touch their stress meter (I am not one) :) -- Catchi? 04:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Problems
I’m seeming to have some problems. If i change the mood meter in my user page. It seems to change yours. Is there a way i can change that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Activision45 (talk • contribs)
Sure Ill fix it, in fact I already have :) -- Catchi? 11:09, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Images
Hi - Regarding the images you're moving to the Commons, the versions remaining on Wikipedia can't be speedy deleted. According to WP:CSD, "Redundant. An image which is a redundant copy, in the same image file format and same or lower resolution, of something else on Wikipedia. This does not apply to images duplicated on Wikimedia Commons, because of licence issues; these should be tagged with {{NowCommons|Image:newname.ext}} instead." Please use that tag instead. Thanks! -SCEhardT15:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the images I moved are identical with same file format. I just renamed them sligtly so they follow the Ranks and insignia of NATO armies officers format. Rank insignias cannot be copyrighted, doing so violates international law starting with Geneva convention (combatant identification). I have to deal with over several thousand images here so please assist as formalities are overstressfull, I do not want to waste time nicely listing several thousand images on IFD. -- Catchi? 16:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I was certainly not suggesting that you do that :-) At one point both CSD and IFD said that 'NowCommons' images should not be deleted. Now the pages conflict, with the IFD page saying that they can in fact be deleted. I'll try to figure this out. -SCEhardT16:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at Wikipedia talk:Moving images to the Commons, it looks like deleting the image IF it is Public Domain is fine. So disregard what I said earlier, except you might want to use a tag like {{db|Now in Commons - Publc Domain images are deletable in this case per [[Wikipedia talk:Moving images to the Commons]]}} to avoid confusion. -SCEhardT16:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Nice, I see you copied bits from my userpage, I am honored however you may want to review what you have been accused. :)
Being able to resolve disputes without involving many bodies of dispute resolution is an admirable talent which admin candidates are expected to have. That is a great plus for you.
Redirects can be annoying. In the past wikipedia did not have a "Search" button so we were forced to place multiple redirects for basically every possible reference for a given topic. Now with search redirects aren’t all that important.
Do not worry about adminship, when certain people think you can survive an RfA they will ask if you would like to be a candidate. This does not mean one will immediately be an admin but its more likely that way. Do not feel stressed if your RfAs do fail, I have two failed RfAs and hence I do not feel Ill ever be an admin soon if ever. That’s just how it is.
I have mentors because Arbcom decided that I needed mentorship. It was one of the decisions arbcom ruled on the arbcom hearing. It is one of the more famous and complicated hearings arbcom recently processed. I am not bothered by this ruling at all, I seek guidance on issues I am not certain what course of action to take rather than risk a disaster. Two of my mentors are people I frequently directed questions at. It is somewhat formal now. The third person I knew about though he is the quiet kind, you know... I also ask for guidance from tens of other users on IRC.
Nice job, I modified some with some info. Thanks. I was going to do that but then again I really am a very lazy.
Anything else I can do for you? ^.^ -- Catchi? 22:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Yup. Looks nice. Its hard to keep track of people at times. I try my contact box with symbols, easier for me and looks better. For your case, you may want to use colors to make it look neet :) -- Catchi? 23:39, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I have added all the plot details I intended to included for Oh My Goddess! (OVA): if you have any comments or objections on these, please let me know. I can now add to your individual episode pages, though I was wondering if you had any particular format in mind for this, or could direct me to a similar, albeit more complete, article, where I could see how one of this kind should be formatted. Thanks! Elric of Grans01:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I already prepared the format for you :) Just edit below the spoiler tag and you should be fine :) -- Catchi? 01:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Great job, I am eager to see the reviews for other episodes. You may want to never mention trivia for future episodes instead mention trivia on the future episode (in context). Something like "Keiichi's huntch on episode 1 was because of his previous encounter when they were younger." Etc... -- Catchi? 19:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Excellent job. IF we had like one or two screen caps per ova it would be perfect. :) -- Catchi? 11:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
On articles we would use images that are perhaps no larger than 300px. It is better than nothing. Do not tell me that the fansubs are worse than that >_< -- Catchi? 22:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
It is 352x240; fine for a thumbnail, but there would be no option of viewing it at a larger size. If that is OK, I can probably add them this week. Elric of Grans22:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Should be ok, and anyone with better image quality can upload the better version of same picture. ;) -- Catchi? 23:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Now I feel important. I went away for a day, and when I came back, CSD had 50 entries! I deleted 20 or so. How many barnstars is that worth? :P Luigi30 (Ταλκ) 15:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If you did clean up the rank insignias after me (which most are now in commons) that would be a deletion barnstar. Yes, this does sound like birbary, infact it is. :P -- Catchi? 17:11, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
No deletionists (my usage of the word) are disruptive people trying to delete knowledge (hence are no better than blankers), this is merely a delete of duplicated images. :) -- Catchi? 17:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Wait, isn't that the page with so many images that it single-handedly brought down the images server once? Luigi30 (Ταλκ) 17:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I speculated the image servers had gone down because I went mad one night and uploaded a mass amount of MegamanZero and Oh My Goddess images; for some reason it crashed after I was done... :)-MegamanZero17:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yea. I think so, my level of edits generally overstress the wikipedia servers. The problem actually was the complexity of the tables not number of images, however after the incident the page was broken into first 3 and then two (total of 6) pages.
Tonikaku, I am trying to move images to commons, I already moved a large portion and the copies on en must go to wiki hell. I'd love to give you a list but you checking my history would be much easier. It should be among the past 500 edits and it is really hard to miss :) -- Catchi? 18:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Cool Cat. Photoshop is a graphic program, and doesn't take drawing too well. In any case, I have tried my best to draw your requirement, and if it is not good enough, maybe you ought to find someone who uses a vector program. — PM Poon19:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is great. However I ask for a few minor modifications if possible, please. Its my fault because I perhaps did not describe it well. Sorry for the extra hassle in advance :(
Firstly the wings look great. The golden rigs are pointing in the wrong direction. Aside from that are perfect (see above comparasion).
Also notice the small reddish rings.
Aside from those minor points it is perfect.
Thank you for your prompt response and efforts, honestly I wasn't expecting to hear from you for at least for a week :) -- Catchi? 20:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, the original red is more like purple. However, this red seems to be too bright and contrasting. If you have any preference, please give me the hexadecimal color code and I shall change it accordingly. — PM Poon13:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The color of #990099 (based on [22]) looks close enough. Actually now you mentioned the smaller rings, I noticed they arc a bit (just a tiny bit). If you can do that we will have absolute perfection :) -- Catchi? 14:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Revision uploaded as per your requirements. I was at first puzzled with the two smaller purple rings. Apparently, it is curved because of the slight angle away from the center. — PM Poon17:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. Thanks. Hmm... -- Catchi? 20:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thank you so much! This shows my work is not in vain! Anyway, why would anyone want to vandalize Belldandy? hehehe.
Stop on by my site and forum, it is in the user page.
I really dont want to know why. I can understand (yet still dislike) people vandalising Marller but Belldandy? Come on! :( -- Catchi? 20:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Belldandy?
Speaking of which, I've gone on another bout of overhall madness, and have inserted personality sections into all the OMG character articles. Take a gander at them and tell me what you think. If they need improvement, I'll keep working on them.-MegamanZero21:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh it always needs improvement, this is wikipedia. Its never done ;)
Nice work although Welsper one smells a bot POV :P, however I seriously doubt anyone would RfC you over that ^.^ -- Catchi? 21:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I've altered Welsper to keep it from sounding a little POVish. BTW, Peorth was pretty hard to analyze...:), but I think I have a talent for character analysis, don't you think..? -MegamanZero21:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Peorth was your best one in my POV. -- Catchi? 22:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for inviting me, I liked your page I am stealing some of your code to put on my page is it ok ;).
Cheers,
Anil
I'll be honored if you do. -- Catchi? 21:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Spelling
I hope I don't sound too pedantic :) but I've thought "obsolited" has always looked a bit funny. I've checked it up, and it's "obsoleted" with an 'e' [23]. Cheers. Enochlau01:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Awwwww... OK. :P -- Catchi? 14:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
What kind of problems? Do realise wikipedia does not allow certain file formats such as .bmp because of the sake of harddrive space and bandwidth. Also if you simply rename a .jpg as .gif and attempt to upload to wikipedia, the servers will interpret the image as being "corrupt". If that's the case try resaving image on for example windows paint as a .png or .gif which should "fix" it. -- Catchi? 14:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. Its working again but before I was trying to upload on Firefox it was saying "Alear, no document' after hitting submit. On internet explorer it was saying page cannot be displayed. It was kinda of odd. Hamedog14:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That happens to all of us from time to time. When wikipedia servers are overloaded enough they rarely ignore some requests all together. It is a known bug I guess. We need better servers to compensate. :) -- Catchi? 14:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
You are correct, functionality comes before looking beautiful. I do not like the removal of the counter as well but currently I do not have an option. :(
And yes this is a bug (or a feature wikimedia software lacks). Once someone comes up with a way around it, I am more than willing to put the numbers back in. :) -- Catchi? 14:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The bot should fix itself. There is nothing I can do about it until I get to the bot on Friday. I will investigate why this happened (on Friday) and devise a way to fix it so it doesn't ever happen again. The bot should return to service on its own by that time though.
Do you see the bot on irc.wikimedia.org in #en.wikipedia ? (I also have no access to IRC during weekdays) -- Catchi? 14:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
It came back up after about 50mins (I've only just checked). It's in #en.wikipedia but not posting (I assume it's not supposed to). Thanks for getting back to me! Dan100 (Talk) 14:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Here is how this is going to end, you either stop screaming at each other or warrant mutual destruction of each other. Personal Attacks are NOT welcome on wikipedia. You are welcome to discuss content on articles. You both are violating WP:NPA and hence are equally guilty as far as I care.
I kindly ask both of you to please discuss article content only NOT each others personalities.
Please focus on what’s better for the project and I can assure you that is not you screaming at each other for whatever the reason is. -- Catchi? 15:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
May I inquire how I have been screaming at anyone..? I attempted to talk about the article on a neutral point of view, I apologized to him earlier for my previous shouting out, and I have not committed any personal attacks... How have I been unfair..?-MegamanZero16:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Now stop being a silly sausage is a personal attack. If one side is bad other is not any worse as far as WP:NPA should be concerned.
As visible from [24] other party is also violating WP:NPA. Modifying sigs can ALSO be interpreted as vandalism. I am not treating this any lightly than it should be.
I can only help the side ceasing personal attacks. If you both stop then there wont be a reason for my interference. -- Catchi? 16:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
During this entire situation, I have kept my cool, I have asked nicely for theOrgy to come over to my userpage and talk like civil people. Finally, his supposed "personal attacks" are false: I did not misspell his name on purpose, and I even had enough civility to go back and fix the misspelling...Cool Cat, I understand how people can be wrong in a situation like this, but I know I have attempted to be sincerely kind throughout this whole situation, and I am not afraid to accept the fact when I am wrong in a matter. But, despite my kind gestures, he responded with a barrage of attacks on my talkpage, insulted my intelligence, and tried to use a article's talkpage for his own means. I am asking for a moderator (ie. you) and not one's opinion on who's fault it is in the matter.-MegamanZero16:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that’s why sparks didn't fly. He seems to have ceased his behavior (and you too).
Please understand I cannot take sides when both sides were somewhat "wrong". I am not remotely suggesting his behaviour is remotely acceptable.
If he touches signatures again I'll see to it that sparks do fly at his general direction as that is not only a violation of WP:NPA but also falls under Vandalism.
Currently I am treating this as you and him saying things you regret/will regret in hopes that things will be settled with out involving administrators. -- Catchi? 16:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
"Now stop being a silly sausage" was not a personal attack. It was simply a refutation of his baseless attack on me. If I recall, he used a talkpage just to insult me. That line was simply meant to say, 'that's not true, and you're being silly". In other words, I was saying that his assumption on my stupidity and my good faith was incorrect and completely unjustified. Finally, I have not committed any personal attacks; I feel TheOrgy is being unfair, and I do not hold any ill will towards him. I would simply like something to be done about his baseless attacks against me and come to an agreement on the article. But, when I tried, he blew me off and said "I lacked intelligence and proper views".-MegamanZero16:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Look, if someone suggested that I was being a "silly sausage" I would feel somewhat insulted. Your intentions may not be an attempt to insult him but sadly it may be interpreted as such. -- Catchi? 16:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I understand that, and I didn't realize I was being insulting when I made that statement, however, I still would like to know how I have been wrong in this situation. You have said I was "screaming", I was not. You said I was violating WP:NPA, I had not (meant to). Finally, you say, "I have ceased my behavior"...Please, tell me, what I did that was so wrong...I believe I have been very nice about this matter, and I shall continue to be.-MegamanZero16:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I placed a notice on WP:ANB/I[25], I would normaly pursue the matter further but I have to attend an important meeting and will be back later or perhaps the next day. -- Catchi? 17:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I am glad Tony is handling the matter, I failed you as a good mentor. :( -- Catchi? 11:45, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I think you got a little hostile about the situation too quick, but you proceeded to put the incident on the admin board and helped as best you could. You are a very respected mentor in my eyes, Cool Cat, and do not think otherwise. :)-MegamanZero11:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you note
Hi Cool Cat, thank you for "The Graphic Designer's Barnstar". Actually, the work was nothing much. I am presently spending a lot of time with the Malay language Wikipedia in trying to improve it to the level of the English edition. I will be very glad if you can help me from time to time with some of the technicalities. — PM Poon12:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'll do everything I can, all you need to do is provide me the links and task :)
Also you may want to join the discussion in Wikipedia talk:Assume good faith regarding the image, I decided to push it to be the symbol of "Assume good faith" (since it is nice enough). -- Catchi? 13:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for the welcome, Cool Cat, I'm currently trying to get the hang of editing on Wikipedia, and I appreciate the offer of help. I wish you the best this holiday season, and I look forward to working with the Wikipedia community. MaRoWi14:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'll finish up everyone else tomorrow; I have to construct drafts and thesis for every character's personality section. Now is time for sleep, however... Need anything else..? :) -MegamanZero|transerver22:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. :), oh is it possible for you to use the template rather than the table, it really does the same thing, template requires less effort. :P -- Catchi? 16:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, how I do it is I copy an existing characters bio and overwrite it with data from tables you provide. Of course I am not complaining but you know... :) -- Catchi? 17:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I see. Drini has the updated version, I have no access to IRC or the computer the bot runs on. I'll look into this weekend and the bot should be able to "fix" itself meanwhile. -- Catchi? 13:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I decided to exterminate the balloons. Have a nice and safe day, Dr. Freeman. -- Catchi? 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
bot
I don't know about mirc programming but in most programming languages reading or writing to files takes a while and uses CPU. I think that the bot does this. if it had the files contence as variables instead of reading files all the time it could go much faster and use less cpu
--Adam1213Talk+06:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat true, reading from the hard-drive uses moreCPU but not all that much. Just a few extra instruction exchange in different levels of memory (including system bus) and of course there is the delay due to hard drive read lag. However, in practice that isn't all that much infact all of it does not even take a second.
Keeping track of wikipedia requires quite a lot of RAM if you try to keep everything in memory. Just the list of IPs can suck up all the ram like there is no tomorrow. The bot currently does not compare a given IP edit to all of the IP's stored. It follows a makeshift binary search tree model reading from a sorted system of folders and files (over several thousand files just for IPs. The bot does not even read admin lists, blacklisted pages if a minor edit is made by a user (NullC's bot covers sneaky vandalism so I don’t worry about that as it requires direct access to wikipedia servers which I lack and NullC does not).
Also the now 700+ lines of admin lists would not fit in a single memory variable on mirc which at most holds 1000 characters. Anything above is declared an overflow and is ignored. A lot of admin usernames have a decent length. So it would take a number of variables just to take care of that. Since the start of the bots lifespan we had about 200 new admins. The growing list will require more and more variables which is increasingly harder to implement and keep track of compared to overwriting a single file.
These are few of the many problems why I am hesitant to dump it all to memory.
The primary reason of bots speed is because of my very very slow internet connection. I am yet to convince Brion/Tim to allow me to host the bot on the wikipedia servers which would make the bot reliable however would also make it hard to update.
(Being bold and removing {{Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit/Watched}}; considerable objections at the talk page. Thanks!)
What the heck? There wasn't a single mention of the template on the talk page? There needs to be an overwhelming opposition for such a drastic action. You cannot test something without testing it. I am restoring the "watched" template. Please do not consider this as a revert, I just want to test the idea ok? :) -- Catchi? 23:28, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have made myself clearer: there is considerable objections to the use of the template at Wikipedia talk:Counter Vandalism Unit. I, too, have concerns about the use of such a template. Would you mind testing the template somewhere else, perhaps on a subpage of the CVU modeled after a real article? Thanks a lot. Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see. The problem with that is I know no one will vandalize the discrete page no one knows about with that template. I placed that template on two articles that are already vandal magnets (its not like we are risking vandalism). If we observe a decrease in vandalism that’s a good sign, if not it is inconclusive. So it is a long process. In light of that what do you think? -- Catchi? 01:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, I see. I don't mind having a "test" of the template, as long as it is kept short (a week or so) and is limited to one page. I still don't think it should be used, but I don't think having a test will hurt either, as long as other people don't object. Perhaps you should remove the template for now and ask other editors if they mind having the template up for a week? Also, if you're going to do a test, I wouldn't recommend doing it on George W. Bush or John Seigenthaler Sr.. The former's article is currently part of an ongoing debate about whether to include section editing, and the vandalism will fluctuate with that. The latter will receive less attention throughout the week, so vandalism will bound to drop there. How about at Wikipedia? I still suggest asking at the talk page and see if anyone minds the test for a weel. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I am fine with that, however may I ask you insert the template ^-^' -- Catchi? 18:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
All you have to do is to ask at the talk page and see if anyone minds; if no-one objects, then you can add the template for a test. Keep in mind that this should be a "test"; I still oppose the use of the template. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 18:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Bah people will definitely complain if I suggest anything there exist people who oppose ides just because I am suggesting it. -- Catchi? 19:34, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, there's nothing I can do then. If people don't think adding the template, even for a test, is a good idea, or if you are unable to post such a message, I can't help you out. In either case, I still don't like using the template for any non-testing purposes. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 20:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It has been over 50 years sice the man died (one reason why all images should be PD) and even when he was alive his photos were declared "national heritage" and hence were a part of the public domain. After all the man was a "national hero". :) -- Catchi? 14:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Ataturk (more)
Okay, first, the mere fact of Ataturk having been dead for +50 years does not automatically make any-and-all photos of him public domain. It would make works by him public-domain if he was American (or, um, certain other nationalities; I'm not 100% sure about what the jurisdictions are in which those rules apply). But a photo is automatically copyright of the photographer, not of the subject. Is the photographer still alive? Was the photo taken under the auspices of a corporate entity which still exists?
On the other hand, there's your statement that all photos of him were declared "national heritage". All photos of Ataturk are property of the Government of Turkey, is that it? No matter who took them? Can you provide a source for that? What if it was a photo taken by a non-Turk? Taken and developed outside of the country? Could the Turkish government mount a legal challenge to image ownership if they felt it necessary? If someone found an old photo of Ataturk at a café in Damascus, taken by the café owner, and then left in a box in the café basement for ninety years, would the Turkish government offer to buy the photo? Would they be obliged to do so? What about the image of him on the cover of TIME magazine (Man of the Year, 1923)?
Next, let's assume for a moment that you're correct in that all Ataturk images are property of the government of Turkey. That can mean that they're all public domain. But it doesn't necessarily. Has the government of Turkey explicitly released its images and info into the public domain, the way the US government has?
If so, we should have a formal copyright template - "All images of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk have been declared to be National Heritage by the Government of Turkey, and are thus presumed to be in the Public Domain", or words to that effect. It would be helpful, since multiple Ataturk images have "questionable copyright" tags attached to them. DS15:13, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I realise this. But I am having difficulty finding any copyright info. I do not believe Time magazine owns the copyrights for the Ataturk cover of theirs, given they did not take the photo. No one is making copyright claims as far as I can see. Hence why I have no problem accepting it as PD. Throughout my stay in Turkey I never heard of anyone complaing about copyrights regarding Ataturk... I am no expert in the matter.
I know this is just logic and week legal documentation but I really cant find anything to that extent. -- Catchi? 16:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
No one quotes any copyrights when using the images either in school textbooks or newspapers so I do not believe we have copyrights protecting them or else they would be quoted right? -- Catchi? 17:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Proposed solution
Newspapers *do* list copyrights on photos, in small text on the side/underneath/etc. Textbooks either list the copyright on the page with the photo, or have the info in a little section at the front or back. Or do you mean, specifically, Turkish newspapers and textbooks do not list copyright info on images of Ataturk?
You can create a "Photos of Kemal Ataturk have been declared National Heritage by TurkGov and are thus believed to be Public Domain" template if you want (I'm not up to creating a template from scratch just now), and attach it to all the images of him on WP; that'll make things much easier from a legal standpoint.
Yes, however on any image of Ataturk we don’t see copyright info. We could do what you suggest, although we probably want better wording. :) -- Catchi? 18:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Overhall
As you can see, I've made some big changes to my talkpage. My only problem now is getting the format to match my userpage...see how my talkpage's "pattern" consists of gray..? I want to do that to my userpage, but so far I can only get the red borderlines to encompass it... How do I make the inside of the infobox gray..? -MegamanZero|Talk21:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed that one for you. :) -- Catchi? 22:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Now I'll be blunt about a problem with your user and user talk page. If I don't complain about it someone else will, since you are an experienced wikipedian there are some legal issues you may want to fix. Usage of copyrighted images on userpages is a problem as that conflicts with the "fair-use" agreement. All Megaman and megaman zero images are copyrighted by Capcom or other various companies (anime etc). Hence are not GNU compatible. -- Catchi? 22:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I see. I'll make sure we're cleared on those, Cool Cat. Also, thanks so much for helping me with that, I was doing quite well with making the templates and such, but for some reason, couldn't get that to work...thanks again. Now, most importantly, the question: What do you think of think of it..? :) I got the design as a melding of mine,yours, Mr.Sidaway's, and Master Jimbo's pages respectively. -MegamanZero|Talk01:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Jimbos userpage is my design, some of tonys userpage is also my design and my own page is also my design ;). -- Catchi? 01:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Your userpage looks ok (red is a bit to bright but that’s my taste/bad taste) your user talk page has too much stuff. Those are my views based on my taste, you are welcome to keep them as you wish.
Regarding copyrights, I am sorry but fair use images cannot appear anywhere on your userspace. I do not like copyrights myself but as wikipedias we have to obey international copyright laws. :( -- Catchi? 02:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I understand the copyright situation. My apologies for that. One thing though, may I ask how you're so good at this and all..? I mean, you being a Cat, I mean....how do you type with those paws of yours..? :) -MegamanZero|Talk02:24, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think CVU watches over that wiki, which can change assuming there are people willing to use my bot :) -- Catchi? 01:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Introduction
What the heck are you doing? You locked the introduction page and you aren’t allowing us to merge the history? Wat are you doing? -- Catchi? 01:05, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Dammit was trying to fix the stuff server side due to that page, and people kept deleting, undeleting, moving it. — 0918BRIAN • 2005-12-18 01:07
Meh. Too many RC patrolerS? LMAO! :D-- Catchi? 01:24, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Wait, what have I been thinking..? You've been a great and creative mind at wikipedia, and you've helped so many of us make great-looking userpages... Here, have this barnestar for your creative mind.!
Thank you for the barn star! -- Catchi? 05:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The copyright thing doesn't bug me at all (its not like I own the copyrights), you don’t need to apologies. I just wanted to warn you before someone else ;). Oh, I am not all that great, I make some pretty nasty mistakes from time to time. I try to learn fro from them. :). Fluffy paws aren’t all that bad to type with :) -- Catchi? 05:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, in the week that I have been here, you have helped me alot! I was wondering something. You have your user boxes in a neat vertical row. I was wondering, how do you put your users boxes in that one big box?
Oh it is through using tables. I'll add one to your userpage to organize it a bit. If you don’t like it you can revert :) -- Catchi? 05:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I will not because I have no right to weight another’s overall edits. So long as ones intentions is to expand wikipedia they are good they can be even better if they follow wikipedia guidelines which exist only to increase the efficiency of the process. Sorry. -- Catchi? 18:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
You misunderstand the question... I meant could you give me advice on areas you think I am lacking in as far as a candidate for admin, etc..? I simply said I wouldn't ask you this until I made it past 2000 edits, but it has little to do with what I am inquiring of you. -MegamanZero|Talk18:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Google for IRC FAQs. I really cant explain it better than them :)
False, editcountism is not an admin criteria. I would be an admin if anyone really cared about edit counts. Edit counts is generally an excuse for people to be dicks and oppose for no good reason.
Oh I never suffered from editcountism apathy on my RfA(s), people (two being admins) only threatened to leave wikipedia etc. :)
Tonys connection apears to be unstable, he hasnt been on arc for too long before disconnecting. -- Catchi? 00:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
SpongeBob SqurePants
Cool Cat, Caldorwards4 IS removing vandalism. SpongeBob episodes after season 4 are unconfirmed and fail WP:V. Please stop reverting his edits on the SpongeBob SquarePants episode page. --Apostrophe19:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
He is NOT reverting vandalism, granted wikipedia is not a crystal ball either. I will revert ANYTHING labeled as vandalism when it is not.
Please make sure he reads and understands Wikipedia:Vandalism, especially "what is not vandalism" section. I would explain to him myself but I doubt he would listen to me.
I fear I have a looser definition than yours, then. Adding fanfiction episodes compromises the integrity of Wikipedia by making people assume that those hoaxes are somehow canon or actual when they are not. Regardless, even if it is incorrectly labeled as vandalism, I don't see the point in blindly reverting it and causing an edit war. Explain on the user's talk page what he is doing wrong, and don't revert changes that were beneficial in the end. Everybody's happy. --Apostrophe23:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You probably do not know the level of vandalism wikipedia suffers from. Allow me to explain on average an RC patroller has about 5 seconds to review a number of pages for vandalism (few tabs). After that 5 secs of review and reverts there are 10 or more new cases to review. You occasionally have to glance at history and if I see multiple people reverting a specific user who is removing lots of sane sounding material, I will not spend too much time reviewing all the details. And that’s for more "obvious" cases.
If my revert of what I suspect is vandalism is reverted back in a few minutes labeled as "vandalism" resulting in the removal of sane sounding content it goes beyond my scope of "Good Faith". "RVV" on edit summaries is reserved for more obvious cases of vandalism such as page blankings.
If ones "RVV" is reverted as "RVV" one should not revert it without explaining him/herself in the edit summary. Us RC patrollers know each other so we rarely run each other, lots of vandals blank pages labeling it as an "RVV". Now if he reverted saying: "Reverting Hoax see talk" we wouldn't have a problem.
Selam Cool Cat, türkçe yazmayı uygun gördüm sorun varsa bir dahaki sefere. Kurdistan adı altında bir kategori var, türkiyenin illerine bakarken 2-3 ilde Kurdistan kategorisini silmiştin. Ama buradaki yöneticilerden birisi politik görüşümü karıştırmakla yaptıklarımı geri almış. Burada aktif olan birisi olarak seni gördüm. Bu arada anime konusunda bende meraklılardanım. Türkçe wikide yönetici pozisyonundayım o yüzden buraya fazla ilgi gösteremiyorum. İng. wikideki mesaj sayfamdan cevap verebilirsin, iletişimde olmak istersen. Kolay gelsin--Ugur Basak21:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Good day - Iyi günler - Konnichi wa (こんにちは),
Sorry but I really havent mastered any language but English well enough to carry out a discussion with.
Category:Kurdistan was created recently on 1 Dec 2005 based on the history added by User:Diyako. The best way to get rid of that category is put it up for deletion arguing about inappropriateness. Given it is a controversial subject you really need to build a strong case. I am sorry but it is in your best interest if I do not get directly involved reasons being quite complicated. I simply do not want to risk further harassment.
Anime is nice. I'd reccomend the ones listed on my userpage although there are perhaps thousands of different series out there.
What do you think of the Turkish on my userpage, Mind if I ask if you can check for spelling and grammatical errors? :)
Do you guys in Tr.wiki suffering from vandalsim? If so you are welcome to use my bot in combating them. I can set it up if you guys are interested. You can observe its performance on irc.freenode.net in channel #wikipedia-en-vandalism
Cool cat, i get it:) Naruto and Full Metal is my favorites. We can talk later about that bot. I guess you are from Cyprus. I edit some minor things on your page, later i will edit again. There is not so much vandalism, as you can see its still growing. We must stay in contact. Görüşürüz--Ugur Basak22:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Never been to Cyprus. Although I hope to sometime. :) -- Catchi? 22:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing my userpage :) -- Catchi? 22:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I'll do some edits in a few days in your user pages Türkçe part. Anyway its nice to find you. An anime fan, also C programmer etc. etc. So you must born in USA. From which province do your parents come from. My home province Karabük, Safranbolu. Bye
Sorry I keep personal info a matter of out most confidentiality. Please dont take it personal, its just my personal policy :)
Actually (if you dont mind my asking) can you translate everything in the Turkish section? I'll restructure the page a bit to make it easier. Also feel free to rewrite the section so it looks "better" making it mean more like the english section :) -- Catchi? 23:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
No problem for me. About translations i dont want to promise you but i want to help you. Maybe sentence by sentence:)It's time for me to sleep. bye--Ugur Basak23:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I also detected a Category:Anti-Kurdism. This really is getting trobblesome... -- Catchi? 20:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, Cool Cat. I'm going back to the States with my girlfriend for the rest of the month, and I need you to keep an eye on things for me. You know...vandalism on my user and talkpages, etc. I telling you ahead of time, because I don't know if I will be in possession of a internet connection where I'm going... Finally, could you relay this info to Mr. Sidaway, Oni Okami Alfador, and The Wookiepedian..? They edit the articles I work on, so I need them to keep a vigilant eye too. Thanks, and I'll see you all when I get back! :) -MegamanZero|Talk06:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Been busy and keeping my head down. About to get back into the mix though. And dear god your talk page looks pretty.--Tznkai16:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What? You in a wiki-trench? O_o'
Oh thank you, actually lots of userpages out there have been my design recently ^-^' -- Catchi? 16:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Citation? YOU ASK FOR CITATION?. OK :) I added the section you requested. Should be enough :P -- Catchi? 21:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
No need to shout at me, I'm on your side. I'm sure it's not long before your list becomes featured (indeed, I hope to be the one that actually promotes it, unless ALoan jumps in first:) ). I'm glad you've already got there with your references - though I'll stick to my 4 day allowance in case there are any further references that strike you as apposite, and to allow for further comments as to whether the list is now adequately referenced, or for other comments. On the face of it, though, it's currently looking that your Christmas Day will include a present of promotion of your list to featured list status. Good luck, jguk22:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No I wasn't shouting... Sorry sorry sorry, I am merely excited. :) -- Catchi? 22:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Can you check the kanji, romanji on my userpage for me, you seem to know what you are doing :) -- Catchi? 20:39, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I am not fluent in Japanese, so I am very slow at reading. Right now I do not have the time (though I spotted a lot of... weird things right away), but either next week or the week after I might have a chance. Elric of Grans22:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
User Vcxlor
Well I have no intention of keeping up withthe rapid change in good ole goldfishbowland (can you imagine the wat yahhiccup and growgle will be coping with the increased userpage mayhem with urrser boxes) the extent to which yr hnorable self & others (& I while in it) will in all probability (I had no intention of making a link to adam's book as I am thoroughly disbelieving of his explanations of 42) create a user box problem (cermen had 70+ lastcont)which will require surgery or limits - and the extent that one can constantly steal from other users, the userbox 5+ will be redundant I will guess by new year 2006 with some lovely wikipedia usia hiting 100+) viz my own boxes referring to it as mania/compulsive obsessive disorder. There are serious issues mind you, and I would guess that by the 12day of chrsmaass moves will be afooot to do something aboutit. Best Wishes, enjoy it while it lasssts.vcxlor01:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sorryy please lead me to the page that exp-laineth your :0_o I am a bit slow on the upuptake here! surely there-s a page on wiki that lists all these? vcxlor11:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Err.. userboxes are limitless, you cant list them all on one page, gotta catch em all! :P -- Catchi? 11:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh well, have a good christmas and new year, and may all your boxes bring enlightenment and happiness throughout the known universe (or something like that) : # | (no tibetan buddhist or sufi box i note so far) vcxlor13:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm.... If I request a vote they mention it to everyone interested in norse mythology and come up with artificial votes. If I move it myself they move it back etc using admin powers. What should I do? -- Catchi? 16:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Cool cat, as I suggested on Talk:Skuld months ago, you should attract some people to vote in your favour who are neutral. Until then, there is no consensus to move the article, only in your mind... / Fred-Chess17:04, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible to put the IRC bot on a new channel to be used by portuguese wikipedians (to fight vandalism on portuguese wikipedia)? How it can be done ? thanks. -- lijealso22:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It can be done with a few keyboard commands on my part, however I will need help in translation of the bot. Ill make the necesary adjustments. -- Catchi? 23:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I'll need the translation of all but the last one of the files listed above, last one has some code in it so is hard to translate others shouldnt be too hard. If translation does not happen the bot will work just fine but will post in english rather than portugeese. -- Catchi? 00:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok. im testing it on #wikipedia-pt-vandalism. I also made an announcement for other users in pt.wiki about this.
Oh please edit the pages. You do not need to post the translations here, just edit the actual pages :), it would be nice for you to mention when done, although Ill know about it even if you dont mention ;) -- Catchi? 01:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
This is not an anime character, it is merely the super computer maintaining reality as we know it. :P -- Catchi? 01:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Dude, I've spent the past week sorting through thousands of stubs in various categories, and the only comment I've gotten was from you on this article about five minutes after I edited it. Cut me some slack, would you? Kerowyn02:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, dont mind me I watch a lot of articles. Sometimes my response time can be unreasonable. I am NOT criticising you. You are doing a decent job which I wouldnt dare (sorting stubs). Is there a stub category for anime "objects"? All I want to achieve from this is the article have the right stub cat. The ignorant and stub person (me) does not know which one that shold be. :) -- Catchi? 02:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry if I snapped. It's just a bit aggravating that the only people who notice are the ones who correct me. *sigh* The thankless life of a stub sorter. =)
There isn't a category for "anime objects" specifically, although there is probably a sci-fi/fantasy object section, which isn't accurate at all. Although I think the category is more in need of a section for seiyu, and maybe separate categories for "anime" and "manga" althought that last one might be difficult. Kerowyn02:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
disambig
Umm this one is derrived from the nprse tree and fulfils the same duty. One watching the amime will be more than likely of the origin and other ygdrassils on other anime which are listed in the disambig page. :) -- Catchi? 01:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I just want to make it easy for the reader. The Anime and the norse legends go back and forth quite often although not too much. -- Catchi? 02:08, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Assuming you know about the mythology, can you check the factual accuracy of norse mythology referances on any/all articles related to Oh My Goddess!? You can use the nav box :) -- Catchi? 02:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. -- Catchi? 18:22, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
selamlar
Hi Cool Cat, i'm not so active for these days on en.wiki. Mostly spending my time for daily life and tr.wiki. I've seen xmas messages, Merry Christmas to you. Görüşmek üzere--Ugur Basak20:01, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I know christmas isn't celebrated in Turkey though, I know you guys celebrate the New Year thing. Hence best wishes anyways. -- Catchi? 20:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
That's POV sentence:)(just joke) In Turkey it's not celebrated among the muslims. But christians celebrate it, there are also some French, Austrian etc. schools, at least they make holiday in Christmas days. We celebrate New year on December 31, i dont celebrate it either:) don't like celebrations.--Ugur Basak20:18, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merry Christmas to you, CoolCat! In the same spirit of your welcoming me to Wikipedia, I wish you the best this holiday season. Also, when you get a break from your yule-tide celebrations, I'd very much appreciate it if you could contact me; I have some questions about what to do on Wikipedia with POV material showing repeatedly on the same page despite removal. Thank you, and God bless!
MaRoWi07:55, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I'd also like to offer a copy of the same best wishes. :) -- Catchi? 20:47, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello, you are adding the WoW template to User:64.27.5.168 - I deleted it and I deleted it again. We don't recognise IPs as sockpuppets and we never block them indefinitly. I have not blocked that IP as it has stopped vandalising, so there is no point in adding the template. Thanks. Izehar13:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh OK, sorry for the extra burdon, however we do block IPs on some occasions indefinitely, I really suspect that one is an open proxy. -- Catchi? 13:57, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Only possible on friday as I cannot do anything. Net con the bot runs on is unstable due to a variety of problems ranging from power faliures to god knows what. We should campaign so that the bot runs on a wikipedia server :P -- Catchi? 20:15, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I can too normaly but often I do attention demanding tasks such as modifying the Template:Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic which is tedious work as one error (such as an extra line) will break over 60 pages. -- Catchi? 20:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
No but I am attempting a remote dekstop which I so far havent been successfull. It sometimes works some time does not depends how much the computer I am using the one the bots running and all the ones inbetween feel like. -- Catchi? 20:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I am not. The only way RC patroling is acceptable is when RC patrolers do not interfere with the "article writing process", when writing on Kurdistan Workers Party I expect no one (or only an elite few) to know what my ip is. It is easier to write on such topics when you know you have annonymity. Furthermore nutcases such as Daniel Brandt should never have such access.
Also as an RC patroler I want my IP kept as a state secret away from people who try to spoof it. It has happened before and my IP has been blocked for vandalism even though it wasn't my doing. I obviously am not a vandal and the vandal spoofing my IP got it by dnsing me on IRC. Since then I have taken mesures to better hide my IP.
I never underestimate the enemy (vandals), while additional powers if used properly would help us deal with vandalism better, misuse of same powers would create a mess ten times worse. Unlike post sep 11th period in USA, we should not be paranoid at a post Seigenthaler here on Wikipedia.
CVU as far as anyone should be concerned is a joint effort against vandalism. It should not however hand over power to random people strictly because they are members.
I do however agree more checkusers should exist strictly to lift the weight from David Gerards sholders. He is doing a decent job but he is having a hard time keeping up with all of it. Arbcom should hand out more check users and the process should have nothing to do with CVU directly. -- Catchi? 09:21, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
This isn't about Daniel Brandt, nor is it about the Kurdistan Workers Party. We need you to join us in taking the fight to the vandals, not waiting for them to hit us when we're most vulnerable. Preemptive blocking is the only way we can keep them out. We know where they reside, and preemptive blocks will not only keep them out, but cause the disgruntled bystanders to pressure their ISPs to weed out vandals. Hexagonal23:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What is the point of an editable encyclopedia if no one can edit. There exists admins that use ip ranges vandals also use on the sole fact that they are in the same country/state/isp. What you are suggesting is we ban entier nations from editing wikipedia. It really wouldn't work well. Majority of the people want to help wikipedia be better, the annoying pests (vandals) always stayed in the minority. What you suggested has already been suggested for AOL for example and was heavly opposed. Innocent till proven guilty rather than guilty regardless please. -- Catchi? 10:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This User is Ranked #420 on the List of Wikipedia Editors!
Congratulations. Whether intentional or not, you are in a favored position. Well done. Thanks for all your inspiration, as well! --Dschor10:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! However I am no folowing you, whats this ranking based on? :0 -- Catchi? 11:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
You are hereby awarded these wings as it represents your character best. Now you dont need the balloons, EXTERMINATE!?? -- Catchi? 16:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
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Please note that if you do not choose a copyright tag for the image within seven days, it will be deleted. Please could you ensure that any other images you have uploaded also have the above information in the description - you can see a list of the images you've uploaded by clicking on My Contributions and selecting Image from the drop-down box. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask on my talk page. Thanks! --David Johnson [T|C] 21:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is a manga scan, tagged. Is it possible to use the image where Miyuki wears a goddess outfit? :) -- Catchi? 11:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
For providing new navagtion systems to the Ah! My goddess! related articles, plus screenshots and images from all incarnations, and other enhancements. I Dynamo_ace, award you the Orginal barnstar for all your major work!
Thanks. I hope to be worth of such an award. :) -- Catchi? 16:34, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Crap
Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.
I am sorry that was a response I wasn't expecting. Since I am not recieveing any cooperation from you I'll have to inform several people. -- Catchi? 14:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I am sorry, can you restate that in a civil tone so I can start comprihending? Also please define "Anti-Semitic". You seem to call wikipeida templates Anti-Semitic and that kind of confuses me. Also are you declaring me Anti-Semitic? -- Catchi? 16:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
This user is giving me a somewhat hard time with comments such as the one above. User has already made a few rather disruptive edits ([29], [30], [31]) and seems to be a newbie hence I ask for you could explain him as he wont listen to me. I also like a temporary protection on Category:Anti-Semitic people during the vote. -- Catchi? 14:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi CC, please accept my comment here and at Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 29#Category:Anti-Semitic people in a good faith. I think you misunderstand what anti-semitism is. It is not a slur. Instead of deletionist activism, I think it would be better for the project if you get familiar with the issues first. I believe we can come up with encyclopedic criteria and an NPOV title. We should bring scholarly authoritative opinions, discuss and strive for consensus. That out of the way, cheers and Happy 2006! ←Humus sapiens←ну?23:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is a slur. Anti-Semitic by dictionary definition is: One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.[32] hence one declaring random people Anti-Semitic and putting them in the same category as hitler you cant quite think of NPOV. -- Catchi? 01:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Thats just it. You cannot declare anyone Anti-Semitic at random. What is the borderline that makes a person Anti-Semitic? We cannot establish that hence we either have to declare random people Anti-Semitic or we will not declare anyone Anti-Semitic. -- Catchi? 01:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh you are not bothering me, feel free to inform me of such votes, my comments were directed at the nominator... :) -- Catchi? 23:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, voting knowledge for deletion is something frowned upon by the masses here on wikipedia ^-^' -- Catchi? 01:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
ORCA images
On the page ORCA Aircraft you placed a number of awesome images, but they do not have a source. I am loath to tag such images with {{nosource}} templetes, so I was wondering if you could add your source. Thanks in advance. TomStar8100:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, they are in game screen captures, I/someone else had taken these from the game movies between missions (the images have been sitting in my drive since the games were out so I cant exactly recall). I do not know how can I cite sources :) -- Catchi? 01:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Thats ok, with this information I can make the apropriete citations. In this case all that needs to be noted is that they were taken by you during the ingame movies. TomStar8101:42, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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