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Bot use on zh-classical.wikipedia

Bots on the Classical Chinese Wikipedia require approval before use, regardless of +bot flag. Please go to Wikipedia:會館 to apply it. Thanks!--KongMing (talk) 07:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nihao!

Sorry, I did request a bot flag some time ago. I checked and noticed that you had removed it without saying a word. It would have been better to move the request to the correct page. In addition it is advisable to put an English explanation of the process to zh:維基大典:會館.

Per your request I have placed by bot flag request for that wiki a second time. I hope I did everything correctly.

-- Cat ^chi? 09:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFBOT

Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. – Quadell ^(talk) 13:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What not to do

Do NOT block bots without notifying the bot operator.

So what is not working with the bot? Please respond promptly because I have a lot of work ahead of me.

-- Cat ^chi? 15:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I am still waiting to hear about this urgent issue... -- Cat ^chi? 15:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

This bot is moving pages incorrectly. Specifically, it is not able to correctly handle Featured Picture nominations that include more than one picture. Often featured picture nominations include several images. Some are edits to the original and some are just related images to assist in discussion. Just because an image is present in a featured image discussion doesn't mean the featured image page should be named after that image. This page, for example, was moved incorrectly twice due to 2 other featured pictures being included for comparison. Kaldari (talk) 15:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right. I will have two passes. First to take care of all the bulk workload and second pass to deal with special cases like the one you mentioned. Most pages will not have issues. Everything was under control. A block was an overreaction. -- Cat ^chi? 15:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Would it be possible for me to continue working? -- Cat ^chi? 15:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I started writing a notification to you immediately after I blocked your bot. Your bot was causing problems and I blocked it immediately to prevent it from reeking more havok. Your response to my block, however, was absolutely unacceptable. It demonstrated both a lack of good faith (assuming that I was not going to explain my block) and incivility. I hope you will consider changing your attitude, lest you want to acquire the same reputation as BetaCommand. Bot operators (of which I am one) should be willing to respond to problem with their bot in a civil manner, otherwise they should not be running bots, however helpful they may be. Kaldari (talk) 15:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your definition of havoc is interesting. One wrong edit which wasn't completely incorrect (the nomination would have the wrong filename as a title for a short period of time - no big deal). You question my good faith? In other words you are accusing me of wrecking the project... How civil is that... It is also highly uncivil of you to mention of Betacommand in such a manner. I do not care the slightest bit if you are a bot user.

It is my responsibility to cleanup after my bot. You chose to block the bot on sight after first wrong edit. You didn't choose to notify me first. That is very wrong.

-- Cat ^chi? 15:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Look. I do not care if you like me or hate me. Can you please unblock my bot so I can continue working. -- Cat ^chi? 15:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates with multiple images are not a "special case". About half of featured picture candidate pages include more than one image. How do you intend to determine which of the numerous pages you are moving will need to be fixed? Also how do you intend to delete all of the unneccessary redirects your bot is creating if you aren't an admin? Also it is common to include previous featured pictures for comparison. How will your bot handle the name conflicts in such a situation? Kaldari (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My bot uses input from an SQL query. The criteria for it is that the "name of the page" = "the filename of the promoted image". Failed nominations shouldn't be even edited. There is a mistake there somewhere (obviously). I will invest and correct this (obviously). I could have done so without a block.

In the meanwhile I see no reason why my bot should stay blocked from other tasks it deals with such as double redirects.

-- Cat ^chi? 16:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

If you will agree to not run the FPC job until my concerns have been addressed, I will be more than happy to unblock your bot. As I'm sure you know, many bot operators like to run their bots unsupervised, so it is often necessary to block bots rather than simply relying on notifying the operator. Thanks for your understanding. Kaldari (talk) 16:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. -- Cat ^chi? 16:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Bot unblocked. Kaldari (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rehash of FPC discussion

White Cat, I know you mean well, but as an FPC regular it's alarming to see this many name changes pop up on my watchlist on the basis of a brief discussion that appeared to be DOA back in April. I don't particularly see the need for this bot, since anyone who knows the filename of a featured picture can access the candidacy quite easily through the image page. Commons needs to structure candidacies around filenames because they're a multilingual project. English Wikipedia is more likely to promote an alternate version, and sometimes delists and replaces improved file versions of the same image.

Your bot could make it difficult to cross reference such cases. For instance, an editor who doesn't know this history may have a very hard time figuring out why Image:Love or dutya.jpg is a former featured picture while Image:Love or dutyb.jpg is featured. Would you have a fresh discussion with us please, so we can work this out? Thanks, Durova^Charge! 16:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, it is not alarming. Please do not panic. :)

Okay so this feature has many benefits. The title names currently used by FPC nominations are unable to deal with multiple featured pictures for the same topic. For example if we had 20 different featured pictures on any specific topic (an easy possibility in the next 10 years) unique nomination pages would help a lot.

Due to the poor system I cannot make out how "Love or duty" developed. How the process progressed should be better linked. I'd recommend a system like FAC where there is a central page that links to old nominations (visible in article talk pages). Image talk pages are underused and this could be such a good usage. But all this is a seperate issue of course.

A second benefit is that this feature would make it possible to more easily link to successful nominations from other wikis - particularly commons.

-- Cat ^chi? 16:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Would you raise these points at FPC talk for discussion please? The FPC regulars don't seem to have been aware that your bot was in the works. I noticed it only because I have a lot of FP credits and some old candidacies popped up on the watchlist. A white cat might be a very good thing, but when one pounces out of the shadows the natural reaction is to duck. ;) Best regards, Durova^Charge! 16:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have already done that. Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates#Page name of the nominations. -- Cat ^chi? 16:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much, and thanks also for your swift responses and hard work. Durova^Charge! 17:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, while I do not want to rush things, how long should I wait before returning to my bot? I would like to think not a whole lot of people would care about nomination pagenames. I certainly do not aside from the functional issue. -- Cat ^chi? 15:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Bot Renamed

Your bot computer has been renamed to タチコマ robot per your request on Brianmc talkpage. Cheers Brian | (Talk) 21:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:AKP Leaders

Template:AKP Leaders has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Adoniscik^{(t, c)} 17:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

rename bot on sw:wiki

Sorry for telling you that I've tried without success to rename your bot Tarakilishi on sw:wiki as you had requested. Maybe, it's due to the Japanese characters; maybe, it's due to some reservation of a "global account". I'm afraid I'm not computer-savvy enough to help you. Let me know (on my sw:talk page) if you have some ideas how to remedy this. Arigato! --Baba Tabita 41.223.57.34 (talk) 17:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, rename successful! Baba Tabita aka Oliver Stegen (talk) 11:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:Solookitup

Template:Solookitup has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

American to United States

Dear White Cat...I saw your comment on the American films by decade tfd, and I would support the mass rename. You would probably need a bot to do them all since there are 110 or so that need to be moved, a list of them can be found on this template. Have fun! LA (If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.) @ 20:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am a bot operator. I also have BAG approval to deal with this. However I don't want to start a revert war. Do you think you can mention this idea on the tfd? -- Cat ^chi? 22:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Will do. Oh, and so you don't have to copy the text in two places, keep the conversation here, and just place the aformentioned {{Talkback}} template on my talk page. LA (If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.) @ 22:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any progress? -- Cat ^chi? 17:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, I haven't been watching. I am doing a lot of things. You can check the tfd yourself to see what is happening. I am trying to get a few things renamed too. This is a long tedious process. LA (If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.) @ 18:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bot at Slovene Wikiquote

I have already request a renaming at meta:Steward requests/Username changes#Računalnik @ sl.wikiquote. There are no bureaucrats on Wikiquote, so I don't know why you should put a local request. --Domen (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CfD nomination of Category:Wikipedia administrators open to recall

I have nominated Category:Wikipedia administrators open to recall (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. NonvocalScream (talk) 18:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Islam

Hi White Cat. I recently put up your template proposal to see how it went down. I like the fact it improves on the markup and doesn't use all that HTML. I think there's a slight problem though because of the table class used, which results in it sticking out a bit on some pages (i.e. Muhammad) instead of positioning itself below the other images/templates. You'd probably be better at fixing the problem than me so I thought I'd bring this to your attention. Regards, ITAQALLAH 20:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is semi intentional. Muhammad navbox can also be modified so it has the same width. The intention here is to make good use of width as otherwise the template gains too much height. -- Cat ^chi? 23:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:GAP_Region.jpg

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Ocean is Theory sandbox

Hello Cat. i just was wondering if you would like to check up on something for me User:Redviking09/Ocean. it's just to make sure it's all up to code with the band requirements. Thank you. —Preceding undated comment was added by User:Redviking09 at 21:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so what do you want me to take a look at? -- Cat ^chi? 17:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

This one User:Redviking09/Ocean. thank you (18:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC))