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[edit]- Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User_is_threatening_to_report_me_for_simply_adding_relevant_Wikiproject_tag_to_talk_page
- Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies#Imane_Khelif
- Talk:Imane_Khelif#WikiProject_LGBT_studies Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct, I just read that whole thread and then spent half of the subsequent shower winning a talk page argument against a couple of shampoo bottles. Honestly, I think Wikipedia talk pages are high in the running for the worst possible communication medium on the planet -- maybe "smoke signal" and "message in a bottle" are worse. You can't show people non-CC-licensed images, you can't link to sources if someone thinks the website is bad, you can't categorize the articles in any scheme that has the potential to bother anyone. It's hardly surprising that for twenty years people have been running entire parallel communities on IRC and Discord and Slack and mailing lists: talk pages are borderline unusable. jp×g🗯️ 22:03, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also any comment you make (even if you edit it a couple minutes later) is perpetually preserved in amber so that if you get in an unrelated argument with anybody over any subject for the rest of your life they can link to the time you were having a bad day in 2003 and called some guy an assclown as irrefutable evidence of longrunning conduct issues jp×g🗯️ 22:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct, I just read that whole thread and then spent half of the subsequent shower winning a talk page argument against a couple of shampoo bottles. Honestly, I think Wikipedia talk pages are high in the running for the worst possible communication medium on the planet -- maybe "smoke signal" and "message in a bottle" are worse. You can't show people non-CC-licensed images, you can't link to sources if someone thinks the website is bad, you can't categorize the articles in any scheme that has the potential to bother anyone. It's hardly surprising that for twenty years people have been running entire parallel communities on IRC and Discord and Slack and mailing lists: talk pages are borderline unusable. jp×g🗯️ 22:03, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Boo
[edit]Is there a way to un-thank for an edit? AviationFreak💬 19:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @AviationFreak: I thought this one was for the one that makes the pretentious New Yorker diæresis dots on stuff that I also made today. Oh well!!!! jp×g🗯️ 03:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Newyorkerize
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Template:Newyorkerize has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Svampesky (talk) 03:22, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Svampesky: Are you aware that the diæresis is a part of the English language? This seems like either an issue with providing metadata in the template or improving accessibility software -- not really a thing that can be fixed at TfD. jp×g🗯️ 04:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair, I didn't realize I was nominating it for deletion on a page called 'Templates for discussion'. I thought it functioned to pool editors in one place, especially as templates are more technical. The section header
Nomination for deletion of Template:Newyorkerize
was a template. I hope the"mods on the Wikimedia discord server"
don't find out about this! Svampesky (talk) 13:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC) - I erroneously filed it thinking it was a place to pool editors and discuss. How do I withdraw it and move the discussion to the talk page? Svampesky (talk) 16:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair, I didn't realize I was nominating it for deletion on a page called 'Templates for discussion'. I thought it functioned to pool editors in one place, especially as templates are more technical. The section header
Administrators' newsletter – August 2024
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During what I assume was a script error when moving Environmental effects of aviation, it seems the talk pages have turned into a redirect loop with no significant history under either. Was the actual page potentially accidentally deleted at Talk:Environmental impactEnvironmental effects of aviation without being moved? or has it ended up somewhere else? Aidan9382 (talk) 14:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like JPxG tried moving the pages back, but only moved the articles (not the talk pages), before they deleted both, as you've guessed, yeah. This was posted at WP:ANI#Environmental impact of bitcoin and appears to have been fixed. – 2804:F1...F5:208E (talk) 00:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
It appears your script run broke dozen of talk pages
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
See WP:ANI#Environmental impact of bitcoin. Another admin is looking into restoring the broken deleted pages. Raladic (talk) 21:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Ramsdell
[edit]Hi there, the article has been restored per consensus at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 July 27. Will leave you to remove the CCI template if that's OK? Daniel (talk) 04:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
"Template:Bruh" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Template:Bruh has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 9 § Template:Bruh until a consensus is reached. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
The redirect 2028 United States presidential election has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 11 § 2028 United States presidential election until a consensus is reached. GTrang (talk) 03:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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- AbuseFilter editors and maintainers can now make a CAPTCHA show if a filter matches an edit. This allows communities to quickly respond to spamming by automated bots. [3]
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Quarry
[edit]I've finished my report for the Signpost and I'm adding finishing touches. I joined Quarry, but I'm unsure how to run a query. I need to find the longest-running move discussion based on time duration. What would be the code for that? Svampesky (talk) 11:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe JPxG has more detailed advice here, but generally speaking WP:QUARRY is always a good place to ask this kind of question. Regards, HaeB (talk) 15:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 14 August 2024
[edit]- In the media: Portland pol profile paid for from public purse
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Two articles in the signpost still have the draft template
[edit]Hey, I just noticed these two Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/In focus and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Opinion still have the draft template at the top, but the newsletter has already gone out to people, so just wanted to let you know :) Raladic (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Lots of fiddling with two of your user pages
[edit]I hope by this point that you trust my intentions, because I sure had to fiddle with User talk:JPxG/index and related pages a bunch to get the combination of {{database report}}, Linter, and my tribe of Linter-obsessed gnomes to align around the formatting of those pages. I had to hack the table format a bit, so now you have a table within a table (not ideal, but it works). I hope that you don't mind, and sorry for the notifications. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Signpost essay column
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I reworked this from WikiProject Orphanage. This could be placed on the newsroom talk page. Someone presses it five times, and then by a poll on the newsroom talk page to decide which essay to include in the next issue, to encourage readers to improve it. Svampesky (talk) 18:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might be a bad idea to direct people to edit vital policy-based essays, so some could have a hatnote 'Essay for improvement'. Svampesky (talk) 18:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Pistol emoji
[edit]Thanks for catching the unintentional synthesis, but what mistake did I actually make here? It was intended to summarise the body so I may have been misled by existing errors later in the article. Belbury (talk) 08:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- If you'd asked me a few months ago what the deal was with the pistol emoji, I would have said "it used to be a gun and then some time in the late 2010s a bunch of websites changed it to be a water gun", but when I actually looked into it for this article it turned out the reality was much more complicated and weird. The thing everyone went with was that it got changed everywhere, because this made for an easy story, but half of the vendors never changed anything, and even among the ones who did it was kind of an awkwardly inconsistent back-and-forth changeover. It's kind of interesting, because Elon Musk and all the people who hate Elon Musk seem to agree that everyone had a water gun until he unilaterally decided Twitter should go back to a handgun, but this does not seem to actually be borne out by anything other than that one article from the one abc.net article which seems to have gotten its header image from a Facebook page(?). jp×g🗯️ 09:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- That header image does seem to be backed up by what I'm seeing in the sources, that Microsoft adopted the water pistol years ago but caved to cross-platform compatibility and made it a gun, then all the main platforms changed it to a water pistol in 2018.
- I'll see if I can pull together enough sources to recreate a sourced timeline table in the article.
- What's your view on the article drawing a link between the 2018 changes and
the Parkland high school shooting and subsequent mass demonstrations against gun violence
, a recent addition which is still in the article body? From what I can see this is an observation that some press sources made, and it seems like a reasonable one, but the actual platform announcements seem deliberately vague and anodyne about there being any social reason behind the change. Belbury (talk) 09:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)- Yeah, the closest the article gets is to say "the move away from the graphic of the weapon to a toy comes after mass demonstrations by students in the United States and globally, demanding tighter gun control laws". It seems pretty plausible to me.
- On the subject of unciteable original research otherwise left on teh cutting room floor, my friend found this public relations campaign from 2016 which was apparently demanding Apple remove the glyph on a specific, explicit basis that
We realized that many Americans unknowingly carry a gun with them every day. The one that was given to them without a background check: the gun emoji. We ask that you stand with the American people and remove the gun emoji from all your products as a symbolic gesture to limit gun accessibility. We understand taking the emoji out will not end gun violence, but this act will show Congress that gun-owning and non-owning Americans have come together to demand required background checks for ALL gun sales.
- The funnier outcome, in my opinion (note I've stolen this joke), would have been to cryptographically implement background checks for the gun emoji. jp×g🗯️ 08:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Sent AI article from NYer for ITM + Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Smallbones: No email on the road but will respond when I get home. jp×g🗯️ 05:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. Take care of yourself and be safe! Smallbones(smalltalk) 11:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Care needed
[edit]In this edit you accidentally removed another editor's comment. Please take more care. I've reinstated it. Thanks. PamD 10:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I had the edit window open for a while so I refreshed it to load the newest revision prior to submitting the comment. How the hell did it load the thing I had before and then overwrite the subsequent revision? jp×g🗯️ 18:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- The whole way it copes with edit conflicts these days is very confusing - it's terribly easy to get in a muddle! These things happen. PamD 19:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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About your suggestion at ANI
[edit]Hi. I saw that the ANI thread where you suggested a WP:KILLSTEALING essay. Ithink that is a good idea and I will probably create such an essay today. Would you like me to send you a link when I've created it? QwertyForest (talk) 07:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Following an RfC, there is a new criterion for speedy deletion: C4, which
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- Last week, some Toolforge tools had occasional connection problems. The cause is still being investigated, but the problems have been resolved for now. [10]
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About the Signpost's next issue
[edit]Hello! Sorry for bothering you, I just wanted to say that I'm currently copy-editing the "Serendipity" article: I should be done in less than 10 minutes! Oltrepier (talk) 13:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, we should be ready now! : ) Oltrepier (talk) 13:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Swate, will roll. jp×g🗯️ 13:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Starting this week, the standard syntax highlighter will receive new colors that make them compatible in dark mode. This is the first of many changes to come as part of a major upgrade to syntax highlighting. You can learn more about what's to come on the help page. [12][13]
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Sep 25: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting (plus Latin music event on Sep 21!)
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Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter
[edit]Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter
  Hello and welcome to the September newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. Election news: Project coordinators play an important role in our WikiProject. Following the mid-year Election of Coordinators, we welcomed Mox Eden to the coordinator team. Dhtwiki remains as Lead Coordinator, and Miniapolis and Wracking returned as assistant coordinators. If you'd like to help out behind the scenes, please consider taking part in our December election – watchlist our ombox for updates. Information about the role of coordinators can be found here. Blitz: 13 of the 24 editors who signed up for the June 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 169,404 words comprising 41 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: 38 of the 59 editors who signed up for the July 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 482,133 words comprising 293 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: 10 of the 15 editors who signed up for the August 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 71,294 words comprising 31 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: Sign up here to earn barnstars in our month-long, in-progress September Backlog Elimination Drive. Progress report: As of 05:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 233 requests since 1 January, and the backlog of tagged articles stands at 2,824 articles. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we do without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Mox Eden and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
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Books & Bytes – Issue 64
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The Wikipedia Library: Books & Bytes
Issue 64, July – August 2024
- The Hindu Group joins The Wikipedia Library
- Wikimania presentation
- New user script for easily searching The Wikipedia Library
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Tech News: 2024-38
[edit]Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Improvements and Maintenance
- Editors interested in templates can help by reading the latest Wishlist focus area, Template recall and discovery, and share your feedback on the talkpage. This input helps the Community Tech team to decide the right technical approach to build. Everyone is also encouraged to continue adding new wishes.
- The new automated Special:NamespaceInfo page helps editors understand which namespaces exist on each wiki, and some details about how they are configured. Thanks to DannyS712 for these improvements. [17]
- References Check is a feature that encourages editors to add a citation when they add a new paragraph to a Wikipedia article. For a short time, the corresponding tag "Edit Check (references) activated" was erroneously being applied to some edits outside of the main namespace. This has been fixed. [18]
- It is now possible for a wiki community to change the order in which a page’s categories are displayed on their wiki. By default, categories are displayed in the order they appear in the wikitext. Now, wikis with a consensus to do so can request a configuration change to display them in alphabetical order. [19]
- Tool authors can now access ToolsDB's public databases from both Quarry and Superset. Those databases have always been accessible to every Toolforge user, but they are now more broadly accessible, as Quarry can be accessed by anyone with a Wikimedia account. In addition, Quarry's internal database can now be queried from Quarry itself. This database contains information about all queries that are being run and starred by users in Quarry. This information was already public through the web interface, but you can now query it using SQL. You can read more about that, and 20 other community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
- Any pages or tools that still use the very old CSS classes
mw-message-boxneed to be updated. These old classes will be removed next week or soon afterwards. Editors can use a global-search to determine what needs to be changed. It is possible to use the newercdx-messagegroup of classes as a replacement (see the relevant Codex documentation, and an example update), but using locally defined onwiki classes would be best. [20]
Technical project updates
- Next week, all Wikimedia wikis will be read-only for a few minutes. This will start on September 25 at 15:00 UTC. This is a planned datacenter switchover for maintenance purposes. This maintenance process also targets other services. The previous switchover took 3 minutes, and the Site Reliability Engineering teams use many tools to make sure that this essential maintenance work happens as quickly as possible. [21]
Tech in depth
- The latest monthly MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter is available. This edition includes details about: research about hook handlers to help simplify development, research about performance improvements, work to improve the REST API for end-users, and more.
- To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out:
- Hackathon Showcase (45 mins) - 19 short presentations by some of the Hackathon participants, describing some of the projects they worked on, such as automated testing of maintenance scripts, a video-cutting command line tool, and interface improvements for various tools. There are more details and links available in the Phabricator task.
- Co-Creating a Sustainable Future for the Toolforge Ecosystem (40 mins) - a roundtable discussion for tool-maintainers, users, and supporters of Toolforge about how to make the platform sustainable and how to evaluate the tools available there.
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The Signpost
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@Polygnotus: - You might want to remove old subscriptions from inactive editors (say 2.5 years inactive}} and put the "passive subscription" (to the right) at the top of their user talk page. It updates itself only when somebody visits the talkpage, i.e. minimum wast of space on inactive talk page and minumum waste of electrons! Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-39
[edit]Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
- All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on Wednesday September 25 at 15:00 UTC. Reading the wikis will not be interrupted, but editing will be paused. These twice-yearly processes allow WMF's site reliability engineering teams to remain prepared to keep the wikis functioning even in the event of a major interruption to one of our data centers.
Updates for editors
- Editors who use the iOS Wikipedia app in Spanish, Portuguese, French, or Chinese, may see the Alt Text suggested-edit experiment after editing an article, or completing a suggested edit using "Add an image". Alt-text helps people with visual impairments to read Wikipedia articles. The team aims to learn if adding alt-text to images is a task that editors can be successful with. Please share any feedback on the discussion page.
- The Codex color palette has been updated with new and revised colors for the MediaWiki user interfaces. The most noticeable changes for editors include updates for: dark mode colors for Links and for quiet Buttons (progressive and destructive), visited Link colors for both light and dark modes, and background colors for system-messages in both light and dark modes.
- It is now possible to include clickable wikilinks and external links inside code blocks. This includes links that are used within
<syntaxhighlight>tags and on code pages (JavaScript, CSS, Scribunto and Sanitized CSS). Uses of template syntax{{…}}are also linked to the template page. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [22] - Two bugs were fixed in the GlobalVanishRequest system by improving the logging and by removing an incorrect placeholder message. [23][24]
- View all 25 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
Updates for technical contributors
- From Wikimedia Enterprise:
- The API now enables 5,000 on-demand API requests per month and twice-monthly HTML snapshots freely (gratis and libre). More information on the updates and also improvements to the software development kits (SDK) are explained on the project's blog post. While Wikimedia Enterprise APIs are designed for high-volume commercial reusers, this change enables many more community use-cases to be built on the service too.
- The Snapshot API (html dumps) have added beta Structured Contents endpoints (blog post on that) as well as released two beta datasets (English and French Wikipedia) from that endpoint to Hugging Face for public use and feedback (blog post on that). These pre-parsed data sets enable new options for researchers, developers, and data scientists to use and study the content.
In depth
- The Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) is used to get answers to questions using the Wikidata data set. As Wikidata grows, we had to make a major architectural change so that WDQS could remain performant. As part of the WDQS Graph Split project, we have new SPARQL endpoints available for serving the "scholarly" and "main" subgraphs of Wikidata. The query.wikidata.org endpoint will continue to serve the full Wikidata graph until March 2025. After this date, it will only serve the main graph. For more information, please see the announcement on Wikidata.
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The Signpost: 26 September 2024
[edit]- In the media: Courts order Wikipedia to give up names of editors, legal strain anticipated from "online safety laws"
- Community view: Indian courts order Wikipedia to take down name of crime victim, editors strive towards consensus
- Serendipity: A Wikipedian at the 2024 Paralympics
- Opinion: asilvering's RfA debriefing
- News and notes: Are you ready for admin elections?
- Recent research: Article-writing AI is less "prone to reasoning errors (or hallucinations)" than human Wikipedia editors
- Traffic report: Jump in the line, rock your body in time
RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review
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Tech News: 2024-40
[edit]Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
- Readers of 42 more wikis can now use Dark Mode. If the option is not yet available for logged-out users of your wiki, this is likely because many templates do not yet display well in Dark Mode. Please use the night-mode-checker tool if you are interested in helping to reduce the number of issues. The recommendations page provides guidance on this. Dark Mode is enabled on additional wikis once per month.
- Editors using the 2010 wikitext editor as their default can access features from the 2017 wikitext editor by adding
?veaction=editsourceto the URL. If you would like to enable the 2017 wikitext editor as your default, it can be set in your preferences. [25] - For logged-out readers using the Vector 2022 skin, the "donate" link has been moved from a collapsible menu next to the content area into a more prominent top menu, next to "Create an account". This restores the link to the level of prominence it had in the Vector 2010 skin. Learn more about the changes related to donor experiences. [26]
- The CampaignEvents extension provides tools for organizers to more easily manage events, communicate with participants, and promote their events on the wikis. The extension has been enabled on Arabic Wikipedia, Igbo Wikipedia, Swahili Wikipedia, and Meta-Wiki. Chinese Wikipedia has decided to enable the extension, and discussions on the extension are in progress on Spanish Wikipedia and on Wikidata. To learn how to enable the extension on your wiki, you can visit the CampaignEvents page on Meta-Wiki.
- View all 22 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
Updates for technical contributors
- Developers with an account on Wikitech-wiki should check if any action is required for their accounts. The wiki is being changed to use the single-user-login (SUL) system, and other configuration changes. This change will help reduce the overall complexity for the weekly software updates across all our wikis.
In depth
- The server switch was completed successfully last week with a read-only time of only 2 minutes 46 seconds. This periodic process makes sure that engineers can switch data centers and keep all of the wikis available for readers, even if there are major technical issues. It also gives engineers a chance to do maintenance and upgrades on systems that normally run 24 hours a day, and often helps to reveal weaknesses in the infrastructure. The process involves dozens of software services and hundreds of hardware servers, and requires multiple teams working together. Work over the past few years has reduced the time from 17 minutes down to 2–3 minutes. [27]
Meetings and events
- October 4–6: WikiIndaba Conference's Hackathon in Johannesburg, South Africa
- November 4–6: MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024 in Vienna, Austria
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Automatic archive navigator editsection
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Administrators' newsletter – October 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2024).
Administrator changes
CheckUser changes
Guideline and policy news
- Administrator elections are a proposed new process for selecting administrators, offering an alternative to requests for adminship (RfA). The first trial election will take place in October 2024, with candidate sign-up from October 8 to 14, a discussion phase from October 22 to 24, and SecurePoll voting from October 25 to 31. For questions or to help out, please visit the talk page at Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections.
- Following a discussion, the speedy deletion reason "File pages without a corresponding file" has been moved from criterion G8 to F2. This does not change what can be speedily deleted.
- A request for comment is open to discuss whether there is a consensus to have an administrator recall process.
Arbitration
- The arbitration case Historical elections has been closed.
- An arbitration case regarding Backlash to diversity and inclusion has been opened.
- Editors are invited to nominate themselves to serve on the 2024 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission until 23:59 October 8, 2024 (UTC).
Miscellaneous
- If you are interested in stopping spammers, please put MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist and MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist on your watchlist, and help out when you can.
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Tech News: 2024-41
[edit]Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
- Communities can now request installation of Automoderator on their wiki. Automoderator is an automated anti-vandalism tool that reverts bad edits based on scores from the new "Revert Risk" machine learning model. You can read details about the necessary steps for installation and configuration. [28]
Updates for editors
- Translators in wikis where the mobile experience of Content Translation is available, can now customize their articles suggestion list from 41 filtering options when using the tool. This topic-based article suggestion feature makes it easy for translators to self-discover relevant articles based on their area of interest and translate them. You can try it with your mobile device. [29]
- View all 12 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
Updates for technical contributors
- It is now possible for
<syntaxhighlight>code blocks to offer readers a "Copy" button if thecopy=1attribute is set on the tag. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [30] - Customized copyright footer messages on all wikis will be updated. The new versions will use wikitext markup instead of requiring editing raw HTML. [31]
- Later this month, temporary accounts will be rolled out on several pilot wikis. The final list of the wikis will be published in the second half of the month. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 11 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available.
- Rate limiting has been enabled for the code review tools Gerrit and GitLab to address ongoing issues caused by malicious traffic and scraping. Clients that open too many concurrent connections will be restricted for a few minutes. This rate limiting is managed through nftables firewall rules. For more details, see Wikitech's pages on Firewall, GitLab limits and Gerrit operations.
- Five new wikis have been created:
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Oct 26: Wikidata Day NYC
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Tech News: 2024-42
[edit]Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
- The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is starting to be removed. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by DiscussionTools, which is used on any regular talk page. A first set of wikis are being contacted. These wikis are invited to stop using Flow, and to move all Flow boards to sub-pages, as archives. At these wikis, a script will move all Flow pages that aren't a sub-page to a sub-page automatically, starting on 22 October 2024. On 28 October 2024, all Flow boards at these wikis will be set in read-only mode. [37][38]
- WMF's Search Platform team is working on making it easier for readers to perform text searches in their language. A change last week on over 30 languages makes it easier to find words with accents and other diacritics. This applies to both full-text search and to types of advanced search such as the hastemplate and incategory keywords. More technical details (including a few other minor search upgrades) are available. [39]
- View all 20 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, EditCheck was installed at Russian Wikipedia, and fixes were made for some missing user interface styles.
Updates for technical contributors
- Editors who use the Toolforge tool Earwig's Copyright Violation Detector will now be required to log in with their Wikimedia account before running checks using the "search engine" option. This change is needed to help prevent external bots from misusing the system. Thanks to Chlod for these improvements. [40]
- Phabricator users can create tickets and add comments on existing tickets via Email again. Sending email to Phabricator has been fixed. [41]
- Some HTML elements in the interface are now wrapped with a
<bdi>element, to make our HTML output more aligned with Web standards. More changes like this will be coming in future weeks. This change might break some tools that rely on the previous HTML structure of the interface. Note that relying on the HTML structure of the interface is not recommended and might break at any time. [42]
In depth
- The latest monthly MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter is available. This edition includes: updates on Wikimedia's authentication system, research to simplify feature development in the MediaWiki platform, updates on Parser Unification and MathML rollout, and more.
- The latest quarterly Technical Community Newsletter is now available. This edition include: research about improving topic suggestions related to countries, improvements to PHPUnit tests, and more.
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The Signpost: 19 October 2024
[edit]- News and notes: One election's end, another election's beginning
- Recent research: "As many as 5%" of new English Wikipedia articles "contain significant AI-generated content", says paper
- In the media: Off to the races! Wikipedia wins!
- Contest: A WikiCup for the Global South
- Traffic report: A scream breaks the still of the night
- Book review: The Editors
- Humour: The Newspaper Editors
- Crossword: Spilled Coffee Mug
It's Al, i'm overstepping my boundaries, this is your domain
[edit]And you said discord is to used and "relevant until it dies". Nice work here.
If you want me out of your life i get it... Johnashipersonal (talk) 17:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-43
[edit]Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
- The Mobile Apps team has released an update to the iOS app's navigation, and it is now available in the latest App store version. The team added a new Profile menu that allows for easy access to editor features like Notifications and Watchlist from the Article view, and brings the "Donate" button into a more accessible place for users who are reading an article. This is the first phase of a larger planned navigation refresh to help the iOS app transition from a primarily reader-focused app, to an app that fully supports reading and editing. The Wikimedia Foundation has added more editing features and support for on-wiki communication based on volunteer requests in recent years.
Updates for editors
- Wikipedia readers can now download a browser extension to experiment with some early ideas on potential features that recommend articles for further reading, automatically summarize articles, and improve search functionality. For more details and to stay updated, check out the Web team's Content Discovery Experiments page and subscribe to their newsletter.
- Later this month, logged-out editors of these 12 wikis will start to have temporary accounts created. The list may slightly change - some wikis may be removed but none will be added. Temporary account is a new type of user account. It enhances the logged-out editors' privacy and makes it easier for community members to communicate with them. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 12 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available. Read more about the deployment plan across all wikis.
- View all 33 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, the South Ndebele, Pannonian Rusyn, Obolo, Iban and Tai Nüa Wikipedia languages were created last week. [43][44][45][46][47]
- It is now possible to create functions on Wikifunctions using Wikidata lexemes, through the new Wikidata lexeme type launched last week. When you go to one of these functions, the user interface provides a lexeme selector that helps you pick a lexeme from Wikidata that matches the word you type. After hitting run, your selected lexeme is retrieved from Wikidata, transformed into a Wikidata lexeme type, and passed into the selected function. Read more about this in the latest Wikifunctions newsletter.
Updates for technical contributors
- Users of the Wikimedia sites can now format dates more easily in different languages with the new
{{#timef:…}}parser function. For example,{{#timef:now|date|en}}will show as "22 November 2024". Previously,{{#time:…}}could be used to format dates, but this required knowledge of the order of the time and date components and their intervening punctuation.#timef(or#timeflfor local time) provides access to the standard date formats that MediaWiki uses in its user interface. This may help to simplify some templates on multi-lingual wikis like Commons and Meta. [48][49] - Commons and Meta users can now efficiently retrieve the user's language using
{{USERLANGUAGE}}instead of using{{int:lang}}. [50] - The Product and Tech Advisory Council (PTAC) now has its pilot members with representation across Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and South America. They will work to address the Movement Strategy's Technology Council initiative of having a co-defined and more resilient technological platform. [51]
In depth
- The latest quarterly Growth newsletter is available. It includes: an upcoming Newcomer Homepage Community Updates module, new Community Configuration options, and details on new projects.
- The Wikimedia Foundation is now an official partner of the CVE program, which is an international effort to catalog publicly disclosed cybersecurity vulnerabilities. This partnership will allow the Security Team to instantly publish common vulnerabilities and exposures (CVE) records that are affecting MediaWiki core, extensions, and skins, along with any other code the Foundation is a steward of.
- The Community Wishlist is now testing machine translations for Wishlist content. Volunteers can now read machine-translated versions of wishes and dive into discussions even before translators arrive to translate content.
Meetings and events
- 24 October - Wiki Education Speaker Series Webinar - Open Source Tech: Building the Wiki Education Dashboard, featuring Wikimedia interns and a Web developer in the panel.
- 20–22 December 2024 - Indic Wikimedia Hackathon Bhubaneswar 2024 in Odisha, India. A hackathon for community members, including developers, designers and content editors, to build technical solutions that improve contributors' experiences.
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You forgot to sign your last ping
[edit]Just a heads-up: Your last post at RAFR was a ping to Carrite, but you didn't sign the post so the ping won't work. Softlavender (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunate. Well, I am sure someone will post it on WPO (possibly a version of it edited to add a part where I say "I love making out with Joseph Stalin") jp×g🗯️ 18:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]For being a stand up person and speaking truth. You've shown that you aren't just a picking a side and supporting it no matter what. That speaks to your character as a human being. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 07:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-44
[edit]Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
- Later in November, the Charts extension will be deployed to the test wikis in order to help identify and fix any issue. A security review is underway to then enable deployment to pilot wikis for broader testing. You can read the October project update and see the latest documentation and examples on Beta Wikipedia.
- View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, Pediapress.com, an external service that creates books from Wikipedia, can now use Wikimedia Maps to include existing pre-rendered infobox map images in their printed books on Wikipedia. [52]
Updates for technical contributors
- Wikis can use the Guided Tour extension to help newcomers understand how to edit. The Guided Tours extension now works with dark mode. Guided Tour maintainers can check their tours to see that nothing looks odd. They can also set
emitTransitionOnSteptotrueto fix an old bug. They can use the new flagallowAutomaticBackto avoid back-buttons they don't want. [53] - Administrators in the Wikimedia projects who use the Nuke Extension will notice that mass deletions done with this tool have the "Nuke" tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. [54]
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Administrators' newsletter – November 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2024).
Administrator changes
CheckUser changes
Oversighter changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following a discussion, the discussion-only period proposal that went for a trial to refine the requests for adminship (RfA) process has been discontinued.
- Following a request for comment, Administrator recall is adopted as a policy.
Technical news
- Mass deletions done with the Nuke tool now have the 'Nuke' tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. T366068
Arbitration
- RoySmith, Barkeep49 and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2024 Arbitration Committee Elections. ThadeusOfNazereth and Dr vulpes are reserve commissioners.
- Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate from 3 November 2024 until 12 November 2024 to stand in the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections.
- The Arbitration Committee is seeking volunteers for roles such as clerks, access to the COI queue, checkuser, and oversight.
Miscellaneous
- An unreferenced articles backlog drive is happening in November 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. Sign up to participate!
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Updates for editors
- Stewards can now make global account blocks cause global autoblocks. This will assist stewards in preventing abuse from users who have been globally blocked. This includes preventing globally blocked temporary accounts from exiting their session or switching browsers to make subsequent edits for 24 hours. Previously, temporary accounts could exit their current session or switch browsers to continue editing. This is an anti-abuse tool improvement for the Temporary Accounts project. You can read more about the progress on key features for temporary accounts. [55]
- Wikis that have the CampaignEvents extension enabled can now use the Collaboration List feature. This list provides a new, easy way for contributors to learn about WikiProjects on their wikis. Thanks to the Campaign team for this work that is part of the 2024/25 annual plan. If you are interested in bringing the CampaignEvents extension to your wiki, you can follow these steps or you can reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for help.
- The text color for red links will be slightly changed later this week to improve their contrast in light mode. [56]
- View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, on multilingual wikis, users can now hide translations from the WhatLinksHere special page.
Updates for technical contributors
- XML data dumps have been temporarily paused whilst a bug is investigated. [57]
In depth
- Temporary Accounts have been deployed to six wikis; thanks to the Trust and Safety Product team for this work, you can read about the deployment plans. Beginning next week, Temporary Accounts will also be enabled on seven other projects. If you are active on these wikis and need help migrating your tools, please reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for assistance.
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Meetings and events
- MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024 is happening in Vienna, Austria and online from 4 to 6 November 2024. The conference will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users.
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The Signpost: 6 November 2024
[edit]- From the editors: Editing Wikipedia should not be a crime
- In the media: An old scrimmage, politics and purported libel
- Special report: Wikipedia editors face litigation, censorship
- Traffic report: Twisted tricks or tempting treats?
WikiProject Medicine Newsletter - November 2024
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Updates for editors
- On wikis with the Translate extension enabled, users will notice that the FuzzyBot will now automatically create translated versions of categories used on translated pages. [58]
- View all 29 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, the submitted task to use the SecurePoll extension for English Wikipedia's special administrator election was resolved on time. [59]
Updates for technical contributors
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In depth
- Admins and users of the Wikimedia projects where Automoderator is enabled can now monitor and evaluate important metrics related to Automoderator's actions. This Superset dashboard calculates and aggregates metrics about Automoderator's behaviour on the projects in which it is deployed. Thanks to the Moderator Tools team for this Dashboard; you can visit the documentation page for more information about this work. [61]
Meetings and events
- 21 November 2024 (8:00 UTC & 16:00 UTC) - Community call with Wikimedia Commons volunteers and stakeholders to help prioritize support efforts for 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. The theme of this call is how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons.
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Books & Bytes – Issue 65
[edit]The Wikipedia Library: Books & Bytes
Issue 65, September – October 2024
- Hindu Tamil Thisai joins The Wikipedia Library
- Frankfurt Book Fair 2024 report
- Tech tip: Mass downloads
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Caution regarding Signpost article about ANI vs WMF
[edit]Just to bring to your attention, WMF has previously requested that the Signpost not publish any article about a then-ongoing court case. I hope it is all sorted out this time. Regards, ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 16:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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Signpost highlighted on watchlists
[edit]Have noticed that new editions of The Signpost haven't been publicized/linked on editor's watchlists for many months, leaving many editors unaware of the publication. MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages covers that (I think but not sure), so popping links to new editions onto that list should do the trick. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I see on my watchlist when a new issue is published, FWIW. Maybe I'm watching different pages from the OP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- This pertains to the watchlist messages which appear on top of the watchlist, not a link on one of the watched pages (I usually find out about the Signpost when it comes up on one of my watched pages). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
How to write to the signpost
[edit]I am intrested in writing for the signpost UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 00:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Template loop error at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2014-07-16
[edit]Hey, can you figure out why Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2014-07-16 has a template error? Gonnym (talk) 00:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- It was transcluding Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Series/Bots, which causes the page to completely eat shit and render wrong and also recursively transclude itself for some reason. I don't really know why; at any rate the series templates were only ever meant to be transcluded on articles themselves so I can just remove it. jp×g🗯️ 18:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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Updates for editors
- Users of Wikimedia sites will now be warned when they create a redirect to a page that doesn't exist. This will reduce the number of broken redirects to red links in our projects. [62]
- View all 42 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, Pywikibot, which automates work on MediaWiki sites, was upgraded to 9.5.0 on Toolforge. [63]
Updates for technical contributors
- On wikis that use the FlaggedRevs extension, pages created or moved by users with the appropriate permissions are marked as flagged automatically. This feature has not been working recently, and changes fixing it should be deployed this week. Thanks to Daniel and Wargo for working on this. [64][65]
In depth
- There is a new Diff post about Temporary Accounts, available in more than 15 languages. Read it to learn about what Temporary Accounts are, their impact on different groups of users, and the plan to introduce the change on all wikis.
Meetings and events
- Technical volunteers can now register for the 2025 Wikimedia Hackathon, which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Application for travel and accommodation scholarships is open from November 12 to December 10 2024. The registration for the event will close in mid-April 2025. The Wikimedia Hackathon is an annual gathering that unites the global technical community to collaborate on existing projects and explore new ideas.
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- A Language community meeting will take place November 29, 16:00 UTC to discuss updates and technical problem-solving.
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Small Request
[edit]Hello,
Is there a way to be removed form the list of people who receive the Signpost on their talk page? Thanks!
JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 05:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JuxtaposedJacob: To stop receiving Signpost messages, simply remove your username from Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe. Meaning you'll have to remove "User:NANPLover47" per this edit. Cheers, Nythar (💬-🍀) 05:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! I believe that I've been trying to do this for over a year now.
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