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Requested move 10 September 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. The consensus below is that this move is not supported by common name. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 19:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Storrs, Connecticut → Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut – According to the USPS ZIP Code Lookup tool, the recommended city names for 06268 and 06269 are "Storrs-Mansfield, CT" - "Storrs" is an accepted shorthand substitution, but should not represent the community on its own. Jonathanhusky (talk) 18:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Storrs-Mansfield Discussion

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In recent history, an editor or group of editors, editing on shared IP addresses registered to the University of Connecticut (UConn), started a campaign to edit Wikipedia references to this community from "Storrs, Connecticut" to "Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut".

The user(s) have provided a substantial number of citations to support the change. This is not considered disruptive on its own. The sources they've cited are broken down as follows:

Federal

  • "ZIP Code Lookup Tool - 06268" (Often erroneously listed as "Storrs", the correct name of this community is "Storrs-Mansfield".). United States Postal Service. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: United States Postal Service. p. ZIP Codes 06268 and 06269. YOU ENTERED: 06268 - RECOMMENDED CITY NAME: STORRS MANSFIELD CT
  • "ZIP Code Lookup Tool - 06269". United States Postal Service. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: United States Postal Service. p. ZIP Code 06269. YOU ENTERED: 06269 - RECOMMENDED CITY NAME: STORRS MANSFIELD CT
  • "Storrs-Mansfield Post Office". United States Postal Service. United States Postal Service. 9 CHARLES SMITH WAY STORRS MANSFIELD, CT 06268-9998
  • "7 Day Forecast for Storrs-Mansfield, CT". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. National Weather Service. Extended Forecast for Storrs Mansfield CT
  • "Daily Summaries Location Details: Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268". Climate Data Online - National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Location Details - Name: Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268

Town of Mansfield

  • "Town Manager". Town of Mansfield Staff Directory. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 4 S Eagleville Road, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
  • "Town Clerk". Town of Mansfield Staff Directory. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 4 S Eagleville Road, Audrey P. Beck Building, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268
  • "Can I reach the Town Council through the Town Manager's Office?". Town of Mansfield FAQs. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Yes. Requests to the Town Council can be addressed to: Town Council, 4 South Eagleville Rd, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268.
  • "Mansfield Fire Stations". Town of Mansfield Fire Department. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Station 107: 879 Stafford Road (Route 32), Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268 - Station 207: 1722 Storrs Road (Route 195), Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268 - Station 307: 999 Storrs Road, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
  • "Senior Center". Town of Mansfield Senior Center. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 303 Maple Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268
  • "Public Works". Town of Mansfield Public Works. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 4 S Eagleville Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268 - Town Garage: 230 Clover Mill Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268
  • "Mansfield Downtown Partnership". Town of Mansfield Downtown Partnership. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 23 Royce Circle, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268 - Mailing Address: PO Box 513, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
  • "Contact Us". Town of Mansfield Parks and Recreation. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Located in the Mansfield Community Center: 10 S Eagleville Road, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
  • "Hours and Location". Town of Mansfield Public Library. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Mansfield Library Express: 23 Royce Circle, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268 - Maple Road Library: 303 Maple Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268
  • "Contact Us - Main Campus". Edwin O. Smith High School. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Regional School District 19. Edwin O. Smith High School: 1235 Storrs Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268

Utilities

Local Businesses

Of course, myself or other editors could add to this extensive list, but these examples were provided by the user who initiated the discussion. For example, numerous Google Scholar entries by researchers at UConn reference the institution being in Storrs-Mansfield, and other local businesses list their addresses and services areas as being in Storrs-Mansfield.

The other argument the user presents is that "Storrs", as a census-designated placename, does not represent the whole of the community and that the use of "Storrs-Mansfield" in official and legal contexts allows for the correction. The geography of census-designated places, their names, and other factors are known and accepted to have no legal status or correlation with locally understood boundaries and terminology. An interactive map illustrating the boundary for the census-designated place labeled "Storrs" is easily accessible, and notably does not include some campus and community features like the UConn Forest and numerous local businesses.

In an edit summary, the IP user cites a Census Bureau publication, "Understanding Geographic Relationships: Counties, Places, Tracts and More" which suggests that ZIP Code Tabulation Areas exist higher up on the Census data hierarchy than census-designated places do.

It is also recognized that numerous double placenames exist in the United States, and "Storrs-Mansfield" would qualify as both "Storrs" and "Mansfield" have historically been used interchangeably to refer to the entirety of what is now the Town of Mansfield, in addition to the historical use of the dual name "Storrs-Mansfield". The IP user brings up Winston-Salem, North Carolina as an example, whos article itself includes the quote:

Many natives of the city and North Carolina refer to the city as "Winston" in informal speech.

Other editors have cited the policy WP:COMMONNAME, but the policies WP:NCPLACE and MOS:ALTNAME are perhaps more appropriate, since both "Storrs" and "Storrs-Mansfield" are in common public usage. Therefore, simply citing COMMONNAME whilst not respecting the usage of the alternative name in question is not productive nor actually a resolution.

Therefore, I suggest a compromissorial lead section:

Storrs-Mansfield (/stɔːrzˈmænsfild/ storz-MANS-feeld) is an unincorporated village and census-designated place (CDP) in the town of Mansfield in eastern Tolland County, Connecticut, United States. The community is part of the Capitol Planning Region.

Sometimes referred to as Storrs, the village is dominated economically and demographically by the main campus of the University of Connecticut and the associated Connecticut Repertory Theatre.

With other references in articles replaced with Storrs-Mansfield.

This topic is not meant to necessarily usurp the conclusion of the requested move from September 2023, nor to outright support all of the IP user's claims or conduct, but, to highlight why that original consensus may be flawed: Usage of Google Maps comparison (arbitrary census-designated place boundary vs. actual usage), Refusal to consider suggested references (Editor said "I don't care what the 'USPS ZIP Code Lookup tool' says"), and claim that "Storrs" is a locale, which it cannot be as a populated place. Importantly, "Storrs-Mansfield" is not a one-off name, as seen here, so it is not a simple case of destructive editing. The question was also asked in another arm of the discussion "When does consensus expire?" and "When consensus is wrong, how can we improve it?"

I would like to welcome a respectful and polite discussion on the matter that does not include simple denials of the claim or refusal to draw an educated conclusion due to the poor editing choices of one user. Jonathanhusky (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following thoughts come to mind here...
  • In full street addresses, Storrs-Mansfield is used more often. (my guess is that a search that included included 06268 or 06269 in the text *might* tilt toward Storrs-Mansfield
  • UConn uses Storrs much more often to refer to its campus, this seems to affect other organizations (like ESPN and other sports news) that refer to that location as Storrs.
  • Google Compare is *massively* tilted to Storrs over Storrs-Manfield. See https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=storrs%20connecticut,storrs-manfield%20connecticut&hl=en
  • The difference between Storrs and Storrs-Manfield seems to most closely resemble in Common Name, the North Korea vs. Democratic People's Republic of Korea example, in each case there is a proper name that may be more used by the people locally, but in the global balance, there is another more commonly used name.Naraht (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the 's' in Mansfield was omitted unintentionally there.. see the Google Trends comparison between "Storrs Mansfield CT" and "Storrs Mansfield Connecticut", showing marginally more activity with the CT state abbreviation. The "Storrs Mansfield CT" and "Storrs Connecticut" comparison is quite similar.
Many UConn materials, like this campus map, refer to the "main campus at Storrs" implying "Storrs Agricultural College" - not unlike saying "UConn's regional campus at Avery Point". How do we distinguish between usage of "Storrs" in reference to the community vs used as a shorthand name for the college itself? Jonathanhusky (talk) 00:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additional Comment, in regards to NCPLACE and ALTNAME, IMO, not unreasonable to have it mentioned as Storrs-Mansfield at some point in the lead. For Infoboxes that contain street addresses, it may be preferred. However, it just doesn't seem right in a table of the 19XX season of the University of Massachusetts Soccer team that the away game at UConn was played in Storrs-Mansfield.
(And add in shock that Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut doesn't exist as a redirect, given that Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut does)Naraht (talk) 22:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the unhyphenated redirect has existed on Wikipedia independently since 2005. It appears to be standard practice to hyphenate double placenames, unless another article like "and" is added. Jonathanhusky (talk) 00:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Update) Storrs, Mansfield, Connecticut as a redirect has existed since 2017. "Storrs, Mansfield" would be accurate - describing the census designated place Storrs within the town of Mansfield. The hyphenated and blank-space versions still ring more common. Jonathanhusky (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, missed the change to google trends, but it still doesn't show anything with Storrs-Mansfield being used more that Storrs. I don't agree with the implication, I'd be very surprised if "Storrs Agricultural College" was used much any more, or even that most people using Storrs would think that. As for the Hyphenated Shortcut, I'm fine with creating it and labelling it alternate. (Similar to Londonderry). Naraht (talk) 14:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I second the alternate name idea, it’s suitable for noting both names while still using WP:COMMONNAME with Storrs. R0paire-wiki (talk) 14:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Created.
More so the grammar of it. No one says "The Empire State Building at New York" or "at Manhattan" - whilst "Storrs" was definitely used as a shorthand name for "Storrs Agricultural College". By the time the college was open, the Town of Mansfield had been established, so that's where everybody understood it to be. Jonathanhusky (talk) 18:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that other schools are a better comparison. All of the SUNY schools are State University of New York at XXX, be it Buffalo, Albany or Oswego.Naraht (talk) 20:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the discussion hangs on an unanswered question of Wikipedia policy: When a notable institution, event, or place has an article, do we refer to the town in which it is located, or the census-designated place? If we take a look at the US Census Bureau's list of census-designated places in Connecticut, we see that Quinnipiac University, Fairfield University, and Sacred Heart University all have their own census-designated places. These three happen to be private universities - but it's an oxymoron to refer to these schools as being in places with those exact names.

The official list also includes some entries which do not appear on Wikipedia's list of notable census-designated places in Connecticut, although have short article pages. Witches Woods and Lake Bungee (both in Woodstock), Route 7 Gateway (Ridgefield), Taylor Corners (New Fairfield), and Chimney Point (New Milford) are examples - the articles basically exist "just because". I think here, it's more of a case of a cultural exception to the norm.. census names aren't common in normal use. Even this page, originally denoted as being for the Storrs census-designated place, has little to offer that isn't covered in the main articles for Mansfield or UConn - yes, it is notable, but should it have its own article, or exist as its own major section of the article for Mansfield?

The Storrs census-designated place boundary does not include the UConn "Depot Campus" or student-run Spring Valley Farm, notable off-campus locations like The Adventure Park, Tony's Garage and other "Four Corners" businesses, the Spring Hill Inn, and others - but they all exist within the Storrs-Mansfield ZIP code boundary. UConn operates nearby off-campus offices that are outside of the Storrs census-designated place boundary - they do the right thing by not saying they are in "Storrs".

This begs the question: Where does incorrect informal use of "Storrs" exist and how does this affect the sources and data we use on Wikipedia? Google incorrectly uses Storrs for locations outside of the census-designated place boundary, as an example. Jonathanhusky (talk) 21:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFC discussion on Storrs-Mansfield references

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Comments would be appreciated to achieve an accurate and supportable consensus regarding references to Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut - an unincorporated village which is sometimes referred to as Storrs. The community is notably home to the main campus of the University of Connecticut, and, naturally reflects cultural differences both as a New England fixture but also due to some misplaced or incorrect historical usage.

The request would be to alter the lead section of the article to read as follows:

Storrs-Mansfield (/stɔːrzˈmænsfild/ storz-MANS-feeld) is an unincorporated village and census-designated place (CDP) in the town of Mansfield in eastern Tolland County, Connecticut, United States. The community is part of the Capitol Planning Region.

Sometimes referred to as Storrs, the village is dominated economically and demographically by the main campus of the University of Connecticut and the associated Connecticut Repertory Theatre.

Several points of discussion, including the preference and differences between census-designated place boundaries and postal town boundaries are included on the article talk page. It is not appropriate to immediately dismiss the need for a new consensus, due to the substantial official and community usage of both names. Thank you, Jonathanhusky (talk) 19:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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  • Strongly opposed to Storrs-Mansfield – If there were any support for it at all in books, I would quote the ratio, but there is none at all (that is to say, there might be some, but it is too low to register in Google ngrams), so the ratio is effectively infinity to one. This is a slam dunk no. Mathglot (talk) 22:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just for fun, I did a search at Google scholar, and the first result that I saw that had the string Mansfield was result #43 (meaning, that results #1–42 did not). Your results may be different depending on your location, search history, and other factors. Mathglot (talk) 23:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Using the Google Ngrams search for "Storrs Mansfield CT" and "Storrs Mansfield" does show some significant graphing, as well as the Google Scholar link in your reply shows, for me, a Storrs-Mansfield reference as result number three (a Penn State University study document featuring an EO Smith High School cowriter) - the first two are links to early UConn commencement programs, citing "CM STORRS", meaning Charles Storrs of founders Charles and Augustus Storrs.
    Admittedly, I am located on the main UConn campus now, which as you mentioned may contribute to that search display. Jonathanhusky (talk) 23:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But that's without the hyphen, so I don't see support for the change. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The hyphen is nominal. It is commonly used with a hyphen, as shown by many of the citations in the original discussion - but the USPS does not officially support hyphens. When both Storrs and Mansfield are placed next to each other in that order, the hyphenated and un-hyphenated forms are synonymous. Jonathanhusky (talk) 16:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opposed to Storrs-Mansfield – based on the previous discussions both on talk and at ANI, and per WP:COMMONNAME. I could support adding Storrs-Mansfield as an alternative name, but I oppose renaming the article and primary name to it per trends and common name. R0paire-wiki (talk) 00:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I certainly wouldn't oppose mentioning it in the lead. Also, having a redirect to the title from Storrs-Mansfield seems fine, if only because redirects are cheap. But honestly, that redirect isn't going to help anybody get to the right article, as you have to type "Storrs" before you can type "Storrs-Manfield" into the search box, and by the time you type the first part, search suggestions already pops up the correct article. Mathglot (talk) 03:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, this RFC would be for editing the lead and important or primary linked references, like under the list of villages in the town of Mansfield.
    I've edited the request to make that more clear, as a complete page name change wasn't the intention at this time. However, a change simply in the interest of accuracy would not be unopposed. Jonathanhusky (talk) 04:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this wording: "sometimes referred to as Storrs" is simply not accurate, and I highly doubt it would be supported by reliable sources. I lived a few miles away and everyone calls it Storrs. Go to https://uconn.edu/ and scroll to the bottom to see where they say they are located: "Storrs, Connecticut 06269". Showing a bunch of machine-generated search results that pull the official place name from a database does not help us understand what the WP:COMMONNAME is; locating human-generated sources will do that. I would support something like "nearly always referred to as Storrs" or something else that is actually supported by reliable, human-generated sources. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Using the ZIP code 06269, see the second citation in the earlier discussion post - "Storrs-Mansfield" is actually preferred by the USPS. That list of citations is not a complete list of any and all potential sources to be used to support or not support usage of either name, rather, it was published as a way to clarify the actions of another user.
    "Nearly always" or "everyone" can't be said - students regularly use both, and plenty of common, prose usage of Storrs-Mansfield can be seen. Plenty of UConn references appear from various departments, the Town of Mansfield heavily uses it, like at the Town Council and Community Center, and many local businesses do too. Sometimes both Storrs and Storrs-Mansfield are used interchangeably (even if not accurate) and beside one another - local breakfast spot Toast Four Corners and the aforementioned Tony's Garage are examples, but both are outside of the Storrs census-designated place boundary.
    If we take a look at Google Books, a healthy and not-insignificant number of mentions to Storrs-Mansfield are made. We see various discussions and references to UConn and EO Smith High School projects, notable individuals, and the community at large in a number of different texts.
    In the proposed lead section, I suppose "sometimes" could be replaced with "commonly". Jonathanhusky (talk) 05:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose wording - The official name for this place, per GNIS, is "Storrs". Also, ZIP codes should not be used when determining city boundaries, because ZIP codes DO NOT align with official city boundaries. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That US Geological Survey resource actually highlights one of the questions we're trying to answer - when you say "this place" in your reply, and that being the subject of the article, are we referring to the Storrs census-designated place, or the greater village that wholly contains that census-designated place plus other geography?
    If we take a look at the GNIS page you linked for "Storrs" - we see it has a class of "populated place" and a feature code of "unincorporated place". We also see that a decision was entered in August 1950:

    University [sic] community, about 7.5 miles south-southeast of Tolland and about 2 miles north-northeast of Eagleville; it is the site of the University of Connecticut.Italic emphasis indicates handwritten change to typed decision.

    If we break down these references, GNIS has entries for "Tolland", with the same class and feature code, but also for "Town of Tolland" with a class of "civil" and a feature code of "town". Similarly, there is a separate listing for "Storrs Census Designated Place" - with class "census" and feature code "census designated place".
    "Town of Mansfield" also has its own civil entry, along with "Mansfield Center" and its companion entry "Mansfield Center Census Designated Place", the only other separate census-designated place in Mansfield.
    A handful of the neighborhoods that appears in the "Settlements" section of the main Town of Mansfield article has its own GNIS listing equal to that of "Storrs" - see: "Atwoodville", "Chaffeeville" (which actually doesn't appear in the list), "Conantville", "Eagleville", "Gurleyville", "Mansfield City" (which is another extant name), "Merrow", "Mount Hope", "Perkins Corner", "Spring Hill", and "Wormwood Hill" - but these names are rarely used outside of historical contexts. Maybe a few still hold the name of a street or historic district in their respective area of Mansfield, but that's about it.
    There are a few names still in vogue with equivalent entries - "Mansfield Four Corners", "Mansfield Depot", and "Mansfield Hollow", sure, but it's really only those three and that's getting picky. None of the neighborhoods are notable by Wikipedia standards on their own.
    The GNIS does not provide boundary points, just a single reference coordinate, so its usefulness as a citation to refer to a village distinct from any of the others is little. It's also confusing that census-designated places have their own entries, especially if the article is to be discussing the "Storrs" census-designated place exclusively, your link may not qualify.
    As for the other link you've posted saying "ZIP codes DO NOT align with official city boundaries [sic]", that page merely explains that the US Census Bureau uses a separate methodology than the USPS in determining what it considers a city for census purposes - not that ZIP code "city names" should not to be used to refer to places nor that census data supersedes that of other sources for that matter. I also don't believe Wikipedia policy relies exclusively on census data, either.
    If we take a look at our case, Mansfield has two "physical" ZIP codes according to the USPS - 06268 (Storrs-Mansfield) and 06250 (Mansfield Center). ZIP codes 06269, 06238, and 06251 are just "delivery" ZIP codes, and exist within the boundary of either "physical" ZIP code, according to the USPS list of ZIP codes by area and district. The Census Bureau link refers to ZIP Code Tabulation Areas, not ZIP codes proper, though - it is recognized that census geography may differ from the postal geography, but we can see here that no portion of either Mansfield ZIP code (or ZCTA) unreasonably depicts a community that isn't either Storrs-Mansfield or Mansfield Center - themselves not outside of the official Town of Mansfield boundary.
    As I was getting at in my other replies in the discussion, several businesses and members of the community self-identify as being in Storrs-Mansfield (or "Storrs" for that matter) but are outside of the Storrs census-designated place boundary. Jonathanhusky (talk) 07:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because "Storrs" is the most common name, but some recognition of the hyphenated name in the lead would be appropriate. How about: "Storrs[1] (/stɔːrz/ storz) is a village[2] and census-designated place (CDP)[1] in eastern Tolland County, Connecticut, United States. Because it is in the town of Mansfield, it is sometimes referred to as Storrs-Mansfield." Two other points: (1) Footnote 2, apparently going to a Connecticut government page, is a dead link. (2) Our article on Village (United_States) notes that the meaning of "village" varies by state. In this lead, "village" is not linked to anything. I suggest wikilinking "village" to village. JamesMLane t c 16:08, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This seems good to me as long as the "because" part can be cited. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To Aaron Liu: I thought that the "because" was self-evident. If there's any question, though, then, because it's self-evident, it needn't be stated. Change my suggestion from "Because it is in the town of Mansfield, it is sometimes referred to as Storrs-Mansfield" to "It is in the town of Mansfield and is sometimes referred to as Storrs-Mansfield." JamesMLane t c 21:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It reminds me of synthesis, but I guess I'd be fine with the latter. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Using the South Korea example mentioned before, would this be a better compromissorial lead section?

Storrs-Mansfield (/stɔːrzˈmænsfild/ storz-MANS-feeld), commonly called Storrs, is an unincorporated village...

or

Storrs, officially Storrs-Mansfield (/stɔːrzˈmænsfild/ storz-MANS-feeld), is an unincorporated village...

Does this comport with Wikipedia policy on a significantly-used official name alongside the alternative name? As for the dead references, the State of Connecticut's list of cities and towns naturally does not include this community, since it is unincorporated, deferring to its listing for Mansfield. As previously discussed, the town of Mansfield prefers the Storrs-Mansfield name. Jonathanhusky (talk) 20:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you link the previously-discussed source for official preference? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are numerous official and community citations in the section Storrs-Mansfield Discussion on this talk page.. the list was actually ported from the discussion of another user in another Wikipedia venue, so it's not conclusive. There are a handful of other linked sources from the Town of Mansfield in other areas of the replies.
Actually, this RFC is supposed to be integrated as part of that section of the page, as a continuation of the prior discussion, but at one point or another became separated. Jonathanhusky (talk) 02:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only see that as evidence for the ZIP code's name. As you have said, "In an edit summary, the IP user cites a Census Bureau publication, "Understanding Geographic Relationships: Counties, Places, Tracts and More" which suggests that ZIP Code Tabulation Areas exist higher up on the Census data hierarchy than census-designated places do." Aaron Liu (talk) 11:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there are many Town of Mansfield references to the village being named Storrs-Mansfield in their documents.. like at the Town Council.
Part of the question actually hangs on whether this article is about the whole community (Storrs-Mansfield inclusive of the ZIP code boundary and understood in the local context) or just the census-designated place (which is basically just campus, not including much of the residential or extended local business areas). If the ZIP code name was exclusively in dispute, the USPS has that lookup tool to verify that, but naturally ZIP codes' names are dependent on the actual place name. Jonathanhusky (talk) 15:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, that's just because it's an address and that's the name of the ZIP code.

but naturally ZIP codes' names are dependent on the actual place name

That doesn't necessarily mean it is the official name. I agree with James here. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If being included in an address does not make the name official, what source would? This community is unincorporated - it is not its own town, so a State of Connecticut resource wouldn't be that granular. I think using the Town of Mansfield webpage is fair since that's the next nearest government. Jonathanhusky (talk) 15:25, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/departments-and-agencies/dph/local-health-admin/principal-communities.docx (source [2]) isn't official now? Like others have said, you need sources if you want to say the ZIP code demarcates the town. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The second citation on the article actually leads to a (now dead) link of a State of Connecticut Department of Economic and Community Development page titled Principal Communities in Connecticut, not the Department of Public Health document you have linked here. But if we use the Wayback Machine to inspect the dead link, it does show that the two are similar, but with relevant differences - the DPH document doesn't include Mansfield Depot, Mansfield Four Corners, or Perkins Corner, for example. (I didn't start looking at other towns' communities.) "Hanks Hill" is on both lists, but that name only extends to a road and lake in modern context; "Chestnut Hill" refers to an local hill (and also different ones in other communities). Neither have their own listing for a populated place on the GNIS if we go by that metric of notability, and there are some "settlements" mentioned in the main Town of Mansfield article that don't appear either.
The page says that it's a listing of cities, towns, villages, and boroughs in Connecticut - but doesn't categorize the list items outside of "community" and "town", and naturally doesn't include any border geography. It's also unclear if census-designated placenames are included. So, in terms of officiality, that source's usefulness is questionable.
On your last point, a number of citations have previously been linked in the discussion which show that the ZIP code (postal) and ZIP code tabulation area (census) geographies line up with the Town of Mansfield boundary. Jonathanhusky (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how not including border geography or certain categories you think are important makes it unofficial.

On your last point, a number of citations have previously been linked in the discussion which show that the ZIP code (postal) and ZIP code tabulation area (census) geographies line up with the Town of Mansfield boundary.

Isn't that an argument for Mansfield, not Storrs, being called Storrs-Mansfield?
Even if the ZIP for Storrs also aligns, the reasoning that since the borders concur therefore it's an official name of the area is original research. That's dangerous because I could also use similar reasoning to say that the Republic of China is an official name of the People's Republic of China. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps that list can be considered official, from the perspective of the State of Connecticut Department of Economic and Community Development (or Department of Public Health), but it can't be considered useful or reliable - it's not about the distinctions that I think are important, it's a list of "cities, towns, villages, and boroughs" that fails to actually label the list items with those categories. City, town, and borough have legal meanings in Connecticut; village does not.

In my reply, I was saying that the DECD-DPH list does little more than support that a given name exists and may be connected to an area of a town. I gave two examples of "communities" on that list said to be in Mansfield but which do not have any geographic anchor; the GNIS provides this for a majority of coincident list items in the form of reference coordinates. Even for the historical neighborhoods with reference coordinates, it is also understood that they are not separate from the village of Storrs-Mansfield (or "Storrs" for that matter) except that they are not within the Storrs CDP boundary.

Isn't that an argument for Mansfield, not Storrs, being called Storrs-Mansfield?

Your reply here highlights an issue we face: When you refer to "Storrs", I am assuming you are exclusively referring to the small census-designated place bearing that name. If we were discussing a place outside of that CDP boundary within the 06268 or 06269 ZIP code boundary - a place that is not a part of the Mansfield Center CDP or 06250 ZIP code boundary - then, yes, it would be fair and accurate to describe it as being in Storrs-Mansfield. In fact, I've previously described a handful of notable local businesses and features which fit that bill.

Even if the ZIP for Storrs also aligns, the reasoning that since the borders concur therefore it's an official name of the area is original research.

I never suggested that - I said Storrs-Mansfield was the official name since that's the name that numerous Town of Mansfield sources use, and as a baseline, the USPS prefers and uses it. That's all been linked to and supported in previous parts of the discussion. To you, if being the name preferred for ZIP code usage does not make a community name official, what does?

I have uploaded three maps to Wikimedia to try and help us visualize this all:

Map
Town of Mansfield Boundary
Map
ZIP code areas within Mansfield
  06268 Storrs-Mansfield
  06269 Storrs-Mansfield
  06250 Mansfield Center
Map
GNIS reference points within Mansfield with class and feature code:
  Populated place, Unincorporated place
  Civil, Town
  Census, Census designated place

Using data from UConn's Map and Geographic Information Center (MAGIC). The GNIS reference points are the coordinates from the previously-linked GNIS entries. Because the article is talking about the village as a whole, not just the CDP, and actually encompassing several of the historical areas (Gurleyville, Eagleville, etc.) we really should be referring to it using an accurate name. Jonathanhusky (talk) 05:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many sources online that call Hanks Hill and Chestnut Hill villages.

When you refer to "Storrs", I am assuming you are exclusively referring to the small census-designated place bearing that name.

As the article says, I am also referring to the village. There does not need to be a legal definition for the health service to list what places are commonly recognized as villages, not to mention the archived source which just calls them all communities.

that's the name that numerous Town of Mansfield sources use

No, that's only the name used as part of the ZIP code and thus part of addresses. I haven't seen any sources you've provided that call it Storrs-Mansfield outside of addresses. That officials use the addresses is not any more evidence for the village's name than the ZIP code name is. We should be using sources (such as the official communities list above) that require WP:NoOriginalResearch to extract information from, especially when—as linked above—"the 'city' name(s) used by the USPS to identify a specific ZIP Code or Post Office may not be the name that residents serviced by the Post Office consider themselves to reside in." Aaron Liu (talk) 16:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many sources online that call Hanks Hill and Chestnut Hill villages.

Would you be able to furnish these sources? A Google search reveals a couple references at the Mansfield Historical Society, but nothing contemporary. The closest would be that "Chestnut Hill", "Conantville", and "Perkins Corner" are all listed as "city names to avoid" for nearby ZIP code 06226 (Willimantic) using the lookup tool. For the record, "Gurleyville" and simply "Mansfield" are not recommended for 06268, and "Mansfield Hollow", "Mansfield City", and "West Ashford" are not recommended for 06250.

Part of the idea is that if each of these villages are unique there would be a way to set their limits.

No, that's only the name used as part of the ZIP code and thus part of addresses. I haven't seen any sources you've provided that call it Storrs-Mansfield outside of addresses.

Although many of these and other sources were linked informally in previous replies, I've converted them to the Wikipedia citation format if that's easier:

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  • "Your Government: Town Council". Town of Mansfield. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Meetings are generally held in the Council Chambers at the Audrey P. Beck Building (Town Hall) at 4 S. Eagleville Rd., in Storrs Mansfield.
  • "Community School of the Arts: Private Lessons". Town of Mansfield Parks and Recreation. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Please note there will be a once per-season $10 non-resident charge for those participating in lessons that do not live in Storrs/Mansfield.
  • "About Mansfield Middle School". Town of Mansfield Public Schools. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. p. Meta description. General background information about Mansfield Middle School in Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut.
  • "Mansfield: Your Place to Grow!". Town of Mansfield Public Schools. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Mansfield Public Schools Central Office is located within the Town Office building at 4 South Eagleville Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268.
  • "Mansfield Farms to Family Application" (PDF). Town of Mansfield Human Services. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. How long have you lived in Storrs Mansfield?
  • "Quarterly Trash and Recycling Service Updates" (PDF). Town of Mansfield Public Works. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. January–March 2021. Storrs-Mansfield Area Tag Sale{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)
  • Courtney, Joe (28 April 2022). "Financial Disclosure Letter to Rosa DeLauro and Kay Granger regarding MNHDC" (PDF). Washington, DC: Congressman Joe Courtney. The entity to receive the funding for this project is Mansfield Nonprofit Housing Development Corporation (MNHDC), located at 309 Maple Road in Storrs-Mansfield, CT.
  • "The University of Connecticut Climate Action Plan: Guiding the Path toward Carbon Neutrality" (PDF). University of Connecticut Office of Sustainability. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. August 2009. p. 15. The University of Connecticut (UConn) is the State of Connecticut's premiere institution of higher learning. Located in rural Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut, UConn began in 1881 as the Storrs Agricultural School with three faculty members and a student body of 12. Today, UConn is a top-ranked public research university with international impact. To learn more about the University please visit www.uconn.edu.
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  • Lejuez, Carl; Weiner, Daniel (21 September 2021). "Provost's Message: Supporting Refugees at UConn". University of Connecticut Office of the Provost. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. In Storrs-Mansfield, the IRIS community co-sponsor group is Quiet Corner Refugee Resettlement (QCRR).
  • "Meeting Minutes, Board of Trustees - June 25th 2002" (PDF). University of Connecticut Board of Trustees. Comments of John Ireland. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. 25 June 2002. He stressed the importance of these organizations on campus, because the Storrs/Mansfield area does not represent a typical college town.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: others (link)
  • Geoghegan, Jeffrey (30 October 2024). "RE: Project Budget for Gampel Pavilion Renovation (Revised Planning: $1,600,000)" (PDF). University of Connecticut Board of Trustees. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. This funding will support the planning of the Gampel Pavilion renovation, which includes conducting a market survey to assess demand for premium stadium seating in the Storrs/Mansfield and Greater Hartford areas; identifying potential revenue sources and strategies for maximizing income within the arena; developing a phased plan for individual sub-projects that aligns with athletic team schedules; and conducting a wi-fi survey and installing the first phase of wi-fi improvements and equipment upgrades.
  • "Project Information Sheet, Revision 1 - Request for Qualifications, Project Management Oversight Services (Project No. OX.PMO21)" (PDF). University of Connecticut Procurement and Business Services. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. 15 March 2021. PROJECT LOCATION: THE MAIN CAMPUS AT STORRS-MANSFIELD AND ALL REGIONAL CAMPUSES - The services requested will be for the University's main campus at Storrs-Mansfield, the other regional campuses (Avery Point, Hartford, Stamford, and Waterbury), and UConn Health (UCH) in Farmington.
  • "Sexual Assault, Intimate Partner Violence and Stalking Reporting and Resources Brochures" (PDF). University of Connecticut Report Pursuant to Connecticut General Statutes Section 10a-55m. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. January–December 2016. p. 65. Storrs-Mansfield and Avery Point Areas - Local Hotline: 860.456.2789 - Sexual Assault Crisis Center of Eastern Connecticut, 90 South Park Street, Willimantic and 78 Howard Street, Suite C1, New London{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)
  • "Frequently Asked Questions". University of Connecticut Facilities Operations. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Central Stores no longer delivers to locations outside of Storrs/Mansfield.
  • "Directions". University of Connecticut Mathematics Department. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. The mathematics department is in the Monteith building on the University of Connecticut campus in Storrs, Mansfield, CT.
  • "How to Address Mail". University of Connecticut Student Mail Services. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Residents of these halls/areas should use the Storrs Mansfield Zip code 06268 and will receive mail directly from the USPS, FEDEX, UPS and DHL postal carriers.
  • "About Us". University of Connecticut Off-Campus and Commuter Student Resources. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Furthermore, OCSS strives to intentionally design opportunities to improve the quality of community life, foster maturation of independent life skills, promote development of responsible community members and cultivate involvement in the University, Storrs/Mansfield and surrounding communities.
  • "Local Communities". University of Connecticut Off-Campus and Commuter Student Resources. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Storrs/Mansfield residents that have attempted to communicate to student neighbors with no success, please contact the appropriate Town of Mansfield office to report your concern.
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  • "Welcome to the UConn Forest". University of Connecticut Department of Natural Resources and the Environment. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. The UConn Forest consists of 2100 acres of forest land distributed among parcels of various sizes in the Storrs-Mansfield vicinity.
  • "Fenton Tract Map" (PDF). University of Connecticut Department of Natural Resources and the Environment. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Fenton Tract Forest - Storrs-Mansfield, CT
  • "Spring Valley Student Farm". University of Connecticut Dining Services. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Spring Valley Student Farm aims to be a place where students, faculty, staff, and Storrs-Mansfield community members can come together to learn about the connections between land, food, and people.
  • "Grounds, Open Areas, and Conservation". University of Connecticut Office of Sustainability. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. Trail Networks. For more information about and maps of trails nearby, check out the links below: All Trails Maps for Storrs Mansfield
  • "Bequest Challenge". Joshua's Trust: Protecting Land and Preserving Heritage. Comments of Nancy and Ed Tomastik. Joshua's Tract Conservation and Historic Trust. We can't imagine a better place to which to donate our 25 acres here in Storrs Mansfield.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: others (link)
  • "Wednesday Walk at Whetten Woods". Joshua's Trust: Protecting Land and Preserving Heritage. Joshua's Tract Conservation and Historic Trust. 1 August 2024. Join us for our first Wednesday Walk at Whetten Woods in Storrs Mansfield. - We look forward to seeing you in Storrs Mansfield.
  • Manville, Laurel. "Changing habits in the land of steady ones". Joshua's Trust: Protecting Land and Preserving Heritage. Joshua's Tract Conservation and Historic Trust. Lastly, I would encourage the Storrs/Mansfield community to join the conversation with UCONN.
  • "Food Recovery Network Student Chapter, UConn". University of Connecticut Center for Career Readiness and Life Skills. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. In the Storrs/Mansfield area, we are partnering with outside food donors as well as food pantries to donate to in order to decrease food insecurity in Connecticut.
  • "Join us to build and perform puppets for the 2011 Celebrate Mansfield Parade!". University of Connecticut Ballard Institute and Museum of Puppetry. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. 6 August 2011. We will meet at 11:00 a.m. at the Storrs-Mansfield Post Office (2 South Eagleville Road Extension) for the parade, which will start at 12 noon and end about 25 minutes later in front E. O. Smith High School, where Mansfield's Festival on the Green will be held.
  • "Support". University of Connecticut Student Parents. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. Academic - The Graduate School. Graduate students and Post-doctoral scholars have the option to participate in UConn and Storrs-Mansfield programs and services, geared towards assisting the graduate community in meeting care obligations while pursuing their academic objectives.
  • "HuskyGo News!". University of Connecticut Transportation Services. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Affiliation - Storrs/Mansfield Resident
  • "Greentech". University of Connecticut Engineering Entrepreneurship Hub. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. VoltXon Inc. Company Overview - Location: Storrs Mansfield, CT
  • "Welcome to Science Bowl". University of Connecticut Vergnano Institute for Inclusion. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. The High School Northeast Science Bowl is hosted by the College of Engineering at the University of Connecticut (Storrs-Mansfield, CT).
  • "Sandra Quiñones". University of Connecticut Neag School of Education. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Office Location: Gentry 432 - Campus: Storrs-Mansfield
  • "Alumni Survey". University of Connecticut Student Activities Community Outreach. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. Service Event: Storrs/Mansfield - Participate in a service event in the Storrs/Mansfield area with other alumni and/or CO students
  • "SASFAC Submission: Entry No. 1268" (PDF). University of Connecticut Student Activities Trustee Student Organization Support. Comments of UCTV. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. We also are committed to providing services to any of the local businesses in the greater Storrs/Mansfield area who wish to utilize our expertise.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: others (link)
  • "Joshua's Trust". University of Connecticut Student Activities Events Calendar. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. 12 October 2019. Joshua's Trust is a land trust with 4500 acres of land in 14 towns surrounding Storrs/Mansfield.
  • "Graduate Financial Aid". University of Connecticut School of Fine Arts, Music Department. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. Employment Opportunities. The Community School of the Arts often employs graduate music students as instructors for children and adults in the Storrs-Mansfield area.
  • "Music Department Alumni". University of Connecticut School of Fine Arts, Music Department. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. Sarah Kaufold. Sarah Kaufold is an experienced conductor, music educator, and singer and is the Founding and Artistic Director for Consonare Choral Community (consonare-sing.org), a nonprofit organization based in the Storrs-Mansfield, CT area working to build community through choral music, where she currently directs...
  • "Undergraduate Professional Development Application". University of Connecticut Human Development and Family Sciences. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. The student will drive from 3384 Towers Loop Road, Storrs Mansfield to 1 Mohegan Sun Blvd, Uncasville.
  • "Request for Quarantine Housing During COVID-19 Pandemic" (PDF). Farmington, Connecticut: University of Connecticut Health System. Duplex or single family home in Storrs/Mansfield area.
  • "Engineering Around Campus". University of Connecticut School of Engineering via UConn Today. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. The South Region winner was E.O. Smith High School from Storrs-Mansfield Conn. with Greenwich High School from Greenwich, Conn. as runner up.
  • "Marianne Legassey". University of Connecticut Child Development Labs. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. As a member of both the UConn Child Labs and Storrs/Mansfield communities, Marianne found her rhythm in community engagement, taking part in school and town groups with the goal of supporting children and families. - In this role Marianne plans to continue building community within the Child Labs and the broader UConn and Storrs/Mansfield communities. - Marianne continues building ties between the Child Labs and other departments within the university community as well as the town of Storrs/Mansfield. - Marianne and her husband Allen, their two children Ben and Amelia, and their dog Truffle have made Storrs/Mansfield their home.
  • "Charles Emory Smith Collection". University of Connecticut Library Archives and Special Collections. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. related Materials. Additional materials associated with Charles Emory Smith and his family can be found in the collections of the Mansfield Historical Society, located in Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut.
  • "Distribution of Alumni in Connecticut" (PDF). University of Connecticut Fact Book 2003-2004. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. 14 January 2004. p. 92. Mansfield (Mansfield Ctr., Mansfield Depot, Storrs-Mansfield) - 2,563
  • "Distribution of Alumni in Connecticut" (PDF). University of Connecticut Fact Book 2004-2005. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. 6 October 2004. p. 99. Mansfield (Mansfield Ctr., Mansfield Depot, Storrs-Mansfield) - 2,834
  • "9/10 Reckless Gents Comedy Troupe Auditions (TONIGHT)". University of Connecticut Daily Digest. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. 10 September 2024. The Reckless Gents Comedy Troupe is looking for hot comedians in the greater Storrs-Mansfield area!
  • Honda, Mallory (2014). "Validity and Reliability Testing of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) Taste and Smell Protocol" (PDF). University of Connecticut Honors Scholar Program. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. 8. A convenience sample of 77 healthy adults, between the ages of 18 and 87 y (mean age = 39.526 ± 20.787), was recruited from the UConn and Storrs, Mansfield community and invited for two testing sessions, occurring an average of two weeks apart.
  • Donais, Zachary (2016). "A Study of Native Parasitoids and Rearing Diet Efficacy for the Brown Marmorated Stink Bug Halyomorpha halys" (PDF). University of Connecticut Graduate School. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. 19. All sites used were in Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut and within two miles of each other.
  • "Biological Control of Arthropod Pests and Weeds". USDA Research, Education, and Economics Information System. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut via National Institute of Food and Agriculture. 2016. In 2014 and 2015, a stink bug egg parasitoid survey was conducted in the Storrs Mansfield area by placing frozen sentinel egg masses in three habitat types: field corn, natural areas (forest edges) and ornamental plantings.
  • Bois, Sarah (28 March 2015). "Impacts of Celastrus-primed soil on common native and invasive woodland species" (PDF). Academia.edu. Springer Science and Business Media. p. 3. We went to the five locations throughout the Storrs-Mansfield area in Connecticut, USA that spanned the range of soil conditions in the region from excessively drained, coarse-textured, and low-fertility soils to fine-textured, mesic, and high-fertility soils.
  • Rohmer, Ashton (2010). "Emergency Response in Large-Scale Disasters: Lessons Learned and Implications for National Security" (PDF). Connecticut College Government and International Relations Department. New London, Connecticut: Connecticut College. p. 81. Host community drills occurred in the Storrs/Mansfield and the Norwich areas between 2004 and 2007.
  • Macauda, Mark (January 2007). "Understanding Lyme disease: Illness experience, prevention, and the health belief model". University of Connecticut Digital Commons. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. Abstract. The first was to examine what people who live in Storrs/Mansfield Connecticut and Block Island, Rhode Island knew about the disease, what kinds of illness experiences they have had, what types of prevention measures they used, and what they thought of prevention measures in terms of effectiveness and practicality.
  • Johnson, Elizabeth (2 December 2019). "Intramuscular Injection of Plant Derived Antimicrobials: A Potenial Use Against M.Bovis in Cattle". University of Connecticut Digital Commons. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: University of Connecticut. p. 172. VigorSential, LLC is based in Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut.
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  • "Autumn Trip: Leaf Peeping and Stearns Family Farm Stand". Town of Coventry Events Calendar. Coventry, Connecticut: Town of Coventry. The group will be peeping leaves in the Storrs, Mansfield area - taking advantage of the natural hills and geography to appreciate the beautiful fall foliage.
  • "Farmers Lend a Helping Hand" (PDF). Connecticut Weekly Agricultural Report. Hartford, Connecticut: Connecticut Department of Agriculture. 19 June 2020. p. 3. Mountain Dairy has been part of the Storrs/Mansfield community for almost 150 years and this week, donated milk to benefit the residents in need during a Foodshare distribution at E.O. Smith High School.
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  • "Class Notes, Spring 2016". Providence College Newsroom. Providence, Rhode Island: Providence College. 21 April 2016. Jeffrey M. DeSisto '13 of Storrs Mansfield, Conn., a graduate student in fine arts at the University of Connecticut, recently starred as Sebastian in the Connecticut Repertory Theatre production of Shakespeare's Twelfth Night.
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  • "EcoFlora Detailed Collection Record Information". Drexel University Academy of Natural Sciences Catalog (Reference No. PH00736139). Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: Drexel University. Locality: United States, Connecticut, Tolland, along Gurleyville Road, 0.5 mile E of Storrs, Mansfield
  • "Bald Cardinal". Project FeederWatch. Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Lab of Ornithology. Photo Submission - Submitted By: John W. Dayton, Storrs, Mansfield, CT, USA
  • "Teacher Advisory Council". Yale University Fortunoff Video Archive for Holocaust Testimonies. New Haven, Connecticut: Yale University. Joseph Goldman currently teaches at E.O. Smith High School in Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut.
  • "2017 Tarver Interns Report on a Transformative Summer". Marist College Newsroom. Poughkeepsie, New York: Marist College. 18 October 2017. Eliza Patterson '18, a political science major from Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut, spent the summer as a public relations intern at Mental Health America of Dutchess County.
  • "FIRST Robotics Competition Held at Western New England University". Western New England University Newsroom. Springfield, Massachusetts: Western New England University. 28 March 2019. Team Spirit Award sponsored by FCA Foundation: Alumnati (4-H Tolland County), Storrs Mansfield, CT
  • Hahn, Lucinda (21 December 2021). "Mansfield Connections Highlights Windham Tech Graduate". Windham Technical High School Newsroom. Windham, Connecticut: Connecticut Technical Education and Career System. p. Meet Cody Horan. Buying his first home seemed, at first, like one of those challenges. 'I knew I wanted to move to Storrs/Mansfield because it's a great combination of farmland combined with the upbeat nature that UConn brings,' he recalls.
  • Spinella, Sten (7 October 2015). "Study: Storrs-Mansfield area among the least drunk in Connecticut". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. The Storrs-Mansfield area has been named one of the least drunk places in Connecticut. - 'Considering Storrs-Mansfield is home to the largest university in Connecticut, it's very surprising to me it would be named one of the least drunk places in Connecituct,' Concilio said.
  • Sitz, Collin (6 October 2017). "Vigil For Vegas: UConn comes together to mourn, discuss gun violence". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. The greater Storrs-Mansfield community gathered on Fairfield Way Thursday night to discuss and mourn the recent events in Las Vegas, where a shooter took the lives of 59 people and injured 489 others.
  • Alvarez, Thomas (16 September 2020). "Businesses adjust as students return to campus". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. He said that their primary patrons over the summer, Storrs-Mansfield residents, have largely been replaced by students.
  • Kelly, Jake (1 November 2021). "Downtown Storrs businesses push through pandemic with a big boost in local support". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. He said the local Storrs Mansfield community went above and beyond with pickup and delivery, surprising him with how much revenue D.P. Dough earned. - A common theme with businesses and their experience during the pandemic is the local support provided by the Storrs Mansfield community.
  • Augenbraun, Laura (6 April 2022). "Celeron residents report unclean conditions". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. Celeron Square is an apartment complex located in the Storrs Mansfield area where many University of Connecticut students live for off-campus housing.
  • Khan, Marusha (6 December 2022). "SCC provide a food pantry with Connecticut Foodshare". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. The Storrs Congregational Church is located at 2 North Eagleville Rd, Storrs, Mansfield, CT.
  • Kilyk, Amanda (3 May 2023). "Senior Column: Amanda Kilyk". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. The news department in particular intrigued me, as I enjoyed being able to cover topics in my community that I felt were of great importance to the greater Storrs-Mansfield area.
  • Boots, Patrick (1 November 2023). "Pumpkinfest returns with amusements and fun in celebration of Halloween". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. The outdoor festivities included a mechanical bull-style jack-o'-lantern ride, face painting and inflatable laser-tag games as well as promotional displays by local artisans and the Storrs-Mansfield Dunkin' Donuts franchise.
  • "Mansfield and Windham team up for annual 'Taste 2 Towns' restaurant week". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 2 February 2024. This year's Taste 2 Towns promises to be bigger and better than ever, with a wider range of restaurants between both Storrs-Mansfield and Windham-Willimantic, which have held their own successful events in the past.
  • "President Biden announces $1.2 billion in student loan debt forgiveness". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 4 March 2024. For resources relevant to current UConn students and alumni, visit financialaid.uconn.edu or contact the Financial Aid Office in the One Stop Student Services Center, located in the Wilbur Cross Building on the main UConn campus in Storrs-Mansfield.
  • "UConn announces Hartford campus expansions, new programs and facilities". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 29 March 2024. A key driver behind the expansion is UConn's commitment to providing opportunities outside of the main campus in Storrs-Mansfield.
  • "Student group starts petition to add more vegan, dairy-free options to UConn menus". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 17 October 2024. The UConn Dairy Bar is located at 17 Manter Road on the main UConn campus in Storrs-Mansfield.
  • "Civil rights, women's movement to be discussed in the context of puppetry at Ballard Museum this weekend". The Daily Campus News Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 25 October 2024. The symposium will be held in the Ballard Museum black box theatre, located in Downtown Storrs-Mansfield at 1 Royce Circle.
  • "UConn feels the heat with WHUS 'Sounds of Summer' concert". The Daily Campus Life Section. Photograph Caption. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 8 September 2023. Dash Cam got their start at DIY basement shows in the Storrs Mansfield area.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: others (link)
  • "Puppet Arts students to perform in UConn Puppet Slam and Ballard Museum hosts discussion forum". The Daily Campus Life Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 20 September 2024. The Ballard Institute and Museum of Puppetry is an extensive museum located in Downtown Storrs-Mansfield, showcasing exhibitions, performances and forums related to puppetry and theater.
  • "Big East ratifies new television deal: What UConn fans need to know". The Daily Campus Sports Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 28 August 2024. In the Storrs-Mansfield and Willimantic region, contact Charter-Spectrum for more details.
  • "Editorial: Choi likely more of the same for Mizzou". The Daily Campus Opinion Section. The Daily Campus Editorial Board. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. 10 November 2016. They apparently missed when State Sen. Mae Flexer of the 29th district (encompassing the Storrs-Mansfield area) took Choi to task for how he responded to a student at a 'roundtable discussion about sexual assault hosted by Sen. Richard Blumenthal at UConn,' according to a Daily Campus report from 2014.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: others (link)
  • Boots, Patrick (8 September 2023). "What does my investment in UConn technology look like?". The Daily Campus Opinion Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. Since Storrs-Mansfield is both physically distant from the Hartford and Springfield, Massachusetts areas, it is very difficult to receive television over-the-air using an antenna without an outdoor model at a high elevation.
  • Cromer, Hayden (17 April 2024). "Why is it always Black UConn vs. the world?". The Daily Campus Opinion Section. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: The Daily Campus. After the UConn men's basketball team won the national championship, there were parties all over the greater Storrs-Mansfield area spanning all through the week.
  • "Milk Truck Stolen from Mansfield Dairy". NBC Connecticut. WVIT Channel 30. The truck was stolen from Mountain Dairy, at 50 Stearns Road in Storrs-Mansfield on Monday night, according to a post on the dairy's Facebook page.

There are so many more examples not even listed here that show that "Storrs-Mansfield" is just as common, probably more common even, than "Storrs".

We should be using sources (such as the official communities list above) that require WP:NoOriginalResearch to extract information from...

I'm struggling to understand how postal areas do not qualify here: The USPS, a federal agency, operates this system of geographical subdivisions that cover the entire country. Each subdivision, the postal area, has a unique name and identifier (ZIP code) and coincides with municipal boundaries. It is not original research to simply recognize the name and geographical placement of a ZIP code area. What is missing, that to you, would qualify it as a useful source? Jonathanhusky (talk) 23:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to welcome the participants of the original non-venue talk, @R0paire-wiki, C.Fred, Rusty Cat, Naraht, WikiDan61, Acroterion, 331dot, Nil Einne, Canterbury Tail, The Blade of the Northern Lights, and Star Mississippi: as well as invite the original IP user to create an account, for a respectful and courteous discussion in light of the new elements we've talked about since. Jonathanhusky (talk) 23:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have absolutely no memory of being involved in discussions around this, could you refresh my memory where that occurred? Not accusatory, I just have no idea what talk you're referring to. I'm certainly happy to participate in some capacity, what with being a lifelong Connecticut resident. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly - an IP user originally made edits replacing all mentions of "Storrs, Connecticut" to "Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut". Unfortunately their conduct was slightly disruptive, so another editor placed them on an administrator's watch board (I think that's where you were) - After then, I and a few of the other respondents moved the idea over here to talk about the substance of the issue: Storrs-Mansfield is the official name of the community, so how should it be referred to on Wikipedia? And which sources and policies are reliable and useful to govern references to unincorporated places?
Red X Off-topic: I'm a Connecticut resident as well and involved at UConn, but didn't edit Wikipedia often. A colleague, who edits more frequently, actually told me about the then-current talk. I may start editing more, it is fun! Jonathanhusky (talk) 00:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the memory jog, now I remember that. And certainly glad you're getting more involved! The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the source; those like the 1st, 5th, and 10th one are good. (I'm not counting "Storrs/Mansfield", which seems quite possibly to be "Storrs and Mansfield"; or anything that uses it before a CT since that's an address.) With that, I think we can replace the first word with "Storrs-Mansfield or Storrs", though I'd still be wary of claiming it as an official name; we could say it's the official name of the village if there is a source that says something along the lines of "Storrs-Mansfield is a village also named Storrs" or "Storrs-Mansfiled is the official name of...".

It is not original research to simply recognize the name and geographical placement of a ZIP code area.

It is to claim that means it's the place's official name, especially with what the USPS has said about their city names. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not counting "Storrs/Mansfield", which seems quite possibly to be "Storrs and Mansfield"

I wouldn't consider a slash here as an "and". It's nominal - providing the same function as a hyphen or just a space would.

...or anything that uses it before a CT since that's an address.

Using a state abbreviation doesn't necessarily mean a quote includes a postal address directly. In fact, the article on the subject says that the USPS adopted state abbreviations only because shortening the states' names was already a common practice.
But also, addressing is just one of the ways we describe where places are. I'm confused as toward your complete and immediate dismissal of their use; I see no material difference between "The Dog Lane Cafe is on Dog Lane in Storrs-Mansfield" and "on Dog Lane in Storrs-Mansfield, CT", for example. Furthermore, use of a more complete address in a sentence wouldn't disqualify its usefulness - like "The UConn Dairy Bar is located at 17 Manter Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT".
According to WP:ORMEDIA, which is a sublink on the no-original-research policy, "Source information does not need to be in prose form...Any straightforward reading of such media is not original research".

It is to claim that means it's the place's official name, especially with what the USPS has said about their city names.

I think you've misplaced where I attribute the name's officiality. "Storrs-Mansfield" is not a name that exclusively exists for postal purposes or is just used for addresses. And even if that was supposed to be the case, it is commonly used today, which supplants any originally-intended postal-only usage.
I've said time and again it's official because it's the name used by the Town of Mansfield - the most granular form of government over the community. Only secondly if we go up the tiers, to the state government and then the federal government (Connecticut has no county-level government) we then mention its official status with the USPS.
The Census Bureau also exists in this tier, since it's a federal agency; albiet one that is known and accepted to have no legal status or correlation with locally understood boundaries and terminology. The USPS has status and correlation: their explainer titled What's in a (Post Office) Name? details how post office names are determined and examples of how they have been changed over time.
They reference language used on applications for new post office locations from the 1840s:

The name of the candidate for postmaster should not be applied as the name of a post office. It is preferable to have some LOCAL or PERMANENT name, which must not be the name of any other office in the State...

with revised instructions in the 1880s and 1890s:

Select a short name for the proposed office, which, when written, will not resemble the name of any other post office in the State.

1. That spelling and pronunciation which is sanctioned by local usage should in general be adopted.
...
4. Where a choice is offered between two or more names for the same place or locality, all sanctioned by local usage, that which is most appropriate and euphonious should be adopted.

and letters from the postmaster(s) general from the 1890s following the decision to align with the United States Board on Geographic Names:

Where these changes effect the names of Post Offices, the form of spelling decided upon by the U.S. Board must be carefully noted upon the records of this office...It is also ordered that the forms of spelling the names of Post Offices, decided upon by the said U.S. Board on Geographic Names shall be observed in all branches of this Department.

— John Wanamaker, Postmaster General, February 13th 1891: Conform to Board Spellings

The office of the Fourth Assistant Postmaster General is hereby directed not to establish hereafter any post-office where the name of the proposed office differs from that of the town or village in which it is to be located. Whenever it is possible the name of the post-office should be the same as that of the railway station, as well as that of the town.

— John Wanamaker, Postmaster General, April 14th 1892: Name Post Office after Town or Village; Short Names Preferred

In selecting names for post offices the name of the town or village in which the office is to be located may be adopted if it is a short one, and if such name is in no way similar to that of any established office in the State.

— Robert A. Maxwell, Fourth Assistant Postmaster General, April 9, 1894: Short Names Generally Required
and the USPS Postal Operations Manual Section 123.411:

A Post Office normally should bear the official name of the incorporated city, town, or borough in which it is located, as shown in its charter. A Post Office located in an unincorporated place should generally bear the approved name of the principal community served. (normally the community in which located) or the approved name of the town or township, if it serves a number of communities within a town or township.Italic emphasis indicates additions seen in the most recent manual edition, but not in the whitepaper.

That's the one that most directly applies here, since we are talking about an unincorporated community. It also almost certainly means that Storrs-Mansfield was selected because it was the "approved" name - the name already being used by the Town of Mansfield and the community at large. The paper discusses how shorter names are preferred; had "Storrs" been official perhaps they would have considered it. Jonathanhusky (talk) 04:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's nominal - providing the same function as a hyphen or just a space would.

I never see anyone use a slash in place of a hyphen.
Now, I'm convinced that we could add "Storrs-Mansfield" as one name of the place, as I've said in my last reply. However, I don't see why we should call it its official name. Yes, sources do not have to be in prose, but there aren't any non-prose sources either that profess "Storrs-Mansfield" as the place's official name. It takes a non-trivial leap to go from official usage of the name to "this is the official name", especially as far more online sources, including Google Maps, use "Storrs".
I would IgnoreAllRules-style accept your argument on the USPS conferring officiality if the plethora of usages of just "Storrs" did not exist; it's original research, and we don't know if there were other factors that made them scrap "Storrs". Aaron Liu (talk) 02:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...especially as far more online sources, including Google Maps, use "Storrs".

I'm struggling to consider Google Maps a reliable source due to its ease of misuse. The only place where it may ever be limitedly appropriate to refer to a place being in "Storrs" would only be inside the census-designated place boundary; Google incorrectly uses Storrs for locations outside of the CDP. All maps rely upon addressing systems, the USPS in our case, therefore Storrs is not appropriate for use in any address.
Plus, the a data source directly should always be relied upon, not a source that aggregates and changes that data.

I would IgnoreAllRules-style accept your argument on the USPS conferring officiality if the plethora of usages of just "Storrs" did not exist; it's original research.

Here, it's very simple - the USPS lookup tool includes official, alternative but unofficial, and unacceptable names for postal areas. In speaking of the USPS' authority over the areas they administer, it is not original research to say that Storrs-Mansfield is the official name for the 06268 and 06269 ZIP code areas; nor is it to say that those postal areas, collectively, are concurrent with the whole boundary of the town of Mansfield.

and we don't know if there were other factors that made them scrap "Storrs".

We can directly infer that Storrs-Mansfield was chosen because it was not only already in use by the town as an official name, but because it was community-supported per my last reply. The town's name has always just been Mansfield. Jonathanhusky (talk) 03:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only place where it may ever be limitedly appropriate to refer to a place being in "Storrs" would only be inside the census-designated place boundary

I don't think you have a source for that claim. We're debating the official name of the village here (and hopefully we can just agree to include my version I've said above).

We can directly infer

No, we can't, per NoOriginalResearch. We can't trust any editor to know the nuances of a field, thus we always rely on other sources that aggregate and interpret information. It is not obvious that use by USPS implies officiality. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you have a source for that claim.

We already presented the inverse:

If we were discussing a place outside of that CDP boundary within the 06268 or 06269 ZIP code boundary - a place that is not a part of the Mansfield Center CDP or 06250 ZIP code boundary - then, yes, it would be fair and accurate to describe it as being in Storrs-Mansfield.
— User:Jonathanhusky 05:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

A place within the Storrs CDP boundary may be referred to as being in Storrs - not the village, just the CDP - places outside of it should not be, and nevertheless it would be most accurate to refer to any place within the 06268 or 06269 ZIP code boundary as being in Storrs-Mansfield, encompassing any place within the CDP limits anyway.

We're debating the official name of the village here...

No, we're discussing how to appropriately recognize the official name (Storrs-Mansfield) in the article which already uses an alternative "common name" (Storrs). That was always the intent. If and only if we decide the article is soley to discuss the CDP, then keeping Storrs on its own would be appropriate - since it already discussed elements outside of just the CDP, meaning the village as a whole, then we know it isn't.

No, we can't, per NoOriginalResearch...It is not obvious...

That reply was based on the context of my previous reply, which supported the claim with the USPS' naming guidelines and a historical rundown of those rules - all of which support that a post office name is directly correlated with the official place name already in use. Jonathanhusky (talk) 21:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, and strongly oppose use of ZIP Code or post office information as a determiner. The obvious example is that the Falls Church, Virginia, post office covers areas in unincorporated Fairfax County, but the county's article does not identify any locations within the county as being associated with the city. Now, for this article, we're talking about an unincorporated community, so we can't look at statutory definitions of the city's boundary, so we have to fall back to common usage.
    Furthermore, if we're going to absorb Mansfield into the name, then this is no longer an issue of a page move: this is an issue of merging the content of Mansfield, Connecticut into this article, if they're one and the same entity. —C.Fred (talk) 17:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    ...strongly oppose use of ZIP Code or post office information as a determiner.

    Would you be able to expand on this? If postal information is not to be trusted for use on Wikipedia, what sources are? The Census Bureau and Postal Service are equally situated.

    Now, for this article, we're talking about an unincorporated community, so we can't look at statutory definitions of the city's boundary, so we have to fall back to common usage.

    I understand where you are coming from here, but I think the Virginia analogy is misplaced - here, it's an unincorporated place inside an incorporated one. Storrs-Mansfield (or "Storrs" for that matter) doesn't exist outside of Mansfield. Since this village is unincorporated we only have two real and tangible boundaries: the postal area and the limits of the Storrs census-designated place within it. Since the CDP does not represent the village as a whole, the next-nearest accurate boundary is the postal area. We also can't use the CDP inherently, as previously discussed.

    Furthermore, if we're going to absorb Mansfield into the name, then this is no longer an issue of a page move...

    I want to stress that I did not intend for this RFC to initiate a "page move" (rename) - although a page titled "Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut" would be accurate, the actual purpose is to make changes to the lead section and select references. I actually think the folks who wrote "opposed" would agree that observing the official name in the lead section should be allowed and that any other discussed points have been sufficiently referenced and cited.

    ...this is an issue of merging the content of Mansfield, Connecticut into this article, if they're one and the same entity.

    I actually posited this in an earlier reply:

    Even this page...has little to offer that isn't covered in the main articles for Mansfield or UConn - yes, it is notable, but should it have its own article, or exist as its own major section of the article for Mansfield?
    — User:Jonathanhusky 21:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

    question mark Suggestion: A Storrs-Mansfield subheading under "Geography" section of the Mansfield article, which can mention its notability as home to the main UConn campus, as well as its history intertwined with the Storrs family. The pictures of Betsy Patterson Square and the "downtown" area can be transplanted as can the transportation detail. It could read something like this:

    Storrs-Mansfield, the largest of the town's settlements, is an unincorporated village anchored economically and demographically by the main campus of the University of Connecticut. Named for Charles and Augustus Storrs, the founders of the college...

    The community's name is sometimes shortened to Storrs in informal speech...

    How does that sound? Jonathanhusky (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That sounds fair. I would maybe change "sometimes" to "often", since that's how I see it referred to much more often, but that approach makes sense. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have no qualms with merging the article, but as I've said above, I'm very uncomfortable with claiming weight more than the other for one of those names. I would support starting the lede with the following:

    Storrs or Storrs-Mansfield (/stɔːrzˈmænsfild/ storz-MANS-feeld)

    and not changing other stuff. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See also:

    ...(and hopefully we can just agree to include my version I've said above).
    — User:Aaron Liu 16:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

    I don't think this goes by the proper Wikipedia format. I previously suggested two lead sentences which follow the same order and style as other articles; South Korea was the example.
    The version I wrote here is most similar to the article on Winston-Salem, a more appropriate model since it represents a city - which was recognized in the first post of the discussion (following its original mention by another user). It is encyclopedic to mention that Storrs is an informal adaption. Jonathanhusky (talk) 21:26, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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