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Jenkins

So far I think I've learned all the basics of Gerrit. In the last question you taught me about CI and now the JenkinsBot checks all my patches. That's good. The only problem is that I don't understand much by the notices it brings. What's happening or how to utilize that information to make my patch better. I only understand that generally speaking success = good and failure = bad. Can you give me a bit more insight on this matter whatsoever or maybe a page I can learn more about it? I've seen a lot of tutorials about Jenkins and I understand the overall idea of its tests and the pipelines (I also logged in it with my developer account) but that still doesn't help to deduct much information from the success and failure links the bot leaves in my patches.

Maybe you can use one of my patches (the actual JBot links in them) to illustrate whatever info you can provide. - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:51, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Jenkins logs contain a lot of noise. If there are failures, just Ctrl+F the log for "error" or "warning" (even that may turn up lots of irrelevant stuff). If the pipeline is passing, no need to even look at the logs. – SD0001 (talk) 12:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! That may not seem like a lot to you but I hadn't thought of doing even that.

2 more things:

1. Why on some patches, even though I've also commented "recheck", Jenkins doesn't run?
2. Why some patches get checked by SonarQube while some others don't? Same as with Jenkins, I've read about it and seen a lot of tutorials and understand it even better than Jenkins I can say but I'd still be welcoming of any new information you can further provide. - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:33, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure about these things. Jenkinsbot doesn't run on patches which have merge conflict, or which depend on a patch in another repo which has merge conflicts. I think there could be other situations too where it won't run. SonarQube is not configured on all repos. It's there for MediaWiki core and most extensions, but likely not in operations repos. Folks in MediaWiki discord would know more. – SD0001 (talk) 13:48, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I see. Any links for that Discord channel? I think I'm already part of it but just to be sure.

General question: Does Gerrit Mediawiki have a place similar to WP:VPT where we can discuss patches and matters related to it? I believe in-patch comments are the only way, no? Is the said Discord channel again the way to go about this? Klein Muçi (talk) 14:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I believe, as you said, there can be even more cases where JBot doesn't run because I see no merge conflicts in here but it still hasn't run even after I've given the recheck command. Or maybe the said patch has dependencies on other merge-conflict patches. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:14, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

https://discord.gg/ZrV2Ex9 is the MediaWiki discord, there's also a technical channel on Wikimedia discord. IRC and mailing lists are the official forums, unlike discord. – SD0001 (talk) 14:26, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I joined that and more with the information from the Wikipedia:Discord page.

Last question, unrelated to DevOps matters: Maybe you can help on this? No big deal as I'll either get help on MediaWiki or ask at Discord anyway but just because you've already helped me on this subject before I thought maybe I could ask you as well. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

-d stands for detached. The process runs in the background and your bash shell can be used for other commands. If -d is not included, it's expected that it "freezes". – SD0001 (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I was suspecting that from what I read about that command. But what about the Apache errors and notices I get? - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

The notices are normal. If -d is used, they are still produced and can be seen via docker logs <container-name> command. – SD0001 (talk) 16:01, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

So... I have no problems to fix at all? Not even "AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using.... Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message"?

Also, trivial but, is there any way to switch from foreground to background (or vice-versa) without having to exit the process? - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:09, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

No that's perfectly normal in a localhost installation.
Just close the terminal in which it's running in foreground - in effect you've switched it to background (for vice-versa, run docker-compose up - that will attach to the already running container). – SD0001 (talk) 16:16, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Man... Thank you so much! You've taught me a lot! Really grateful. - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Surreal Barnstar
	For basically paving my way into MediaWiki hacking. Thank you! - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

G13 Soon Query

Hey, SD0001,

I hope you are having a good weekend. I noticed something odd as I was working with today's G13 Soon list. The last edit times for drafts seem to be off by an hour. For example, the last entry for the day, Draft:Russell J. Dalton, has the last edit listed on SDZeroBot's list as "2021-11-07 23:53" but when I look at the page history, the last edit is, in my time zone, 15:53 PDT which works out to be 22:53 UTC (in my time zone, 17:00 PDT is 00:00 UTC). I don't think I changed time zones or we went back to standard time here so maybe there is a problem with the bot?

To be sure that this wasn't an isolated problem, I spot-checked a few entries on the most recent page, User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon, and again, the last edit times seem to be off by an hour, indicating on the page a time that is an hour later than the last edit on the page history. Curious...I'm not sure when this started but I just noticed it today. Thanks for any help you can provide as there are a couple of us who rely on the times on this list. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:09, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I checked my Preferences to make sure that it indicated the correct time zone and, no, that hasn't changed for me. That would be the simplest explanation but it doesn't look like it's the right one. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:26, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, there seem not to be problems with other bot-generated lists with edit times listed, like User:DumbBOT/ProdSummary, so this doesn't seem to be a system-wide problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Looking at today's list (expiring 11/7/21), something seemed to happen between 2021-11-07 08:47 UTC (last edit on Draft:Open Connectome Project was November 7, 2021, at 08:47 UTC) and 2021-11-07 09:10 UTC (last edit on Draft:Maisons Cheval Blanc was November 7, 2021, at 08:10 UTC) where the clock went back an hour. Sorry you can't see the deleted page histories to check this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:14, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Liz,
In fact, I can see deleted page histories! Last edit on Draft:Maisons Cheval Blanc was actually at 09:10 UTC – see the API output which shows the exact times in UTC. Since you're seeing it off by an hour, that likely means you're seeing PST times rather than PDT, but not sure. – SD0001 (talk) 06:29, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh, man, all of these messages I left for you yesterday! And I realize that it's not your bot, it's not the Wikimedia system, it's not my computer...it's because we went into Daylight Standard time that weekend back in November 2021 so there is an 8 hour time difference between PT and UTC, not 7 hours! D'uh! I got so used to the fact that Daylight Savings Time has expanded where I live to much more of the year so that the time on the page history is at the same hour as the time on my current clock for most of the year. And it looks like here in the U.S. they are going to do away with the bi-annual clock changing evenings entirely which will make things so much simpler, as far as editing stale drafts, than it currently is.

Sorry for all of the kerfuffle, I should have known that SDZeroBot's behavior was more reliable than my memory. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle

After getting a bit more accustomed with code repositories from Gerrit, I went to Git to retry setting up Twinkle for SqWiki, and, I'm really surprised but, I managed to "finish" setting it up!

I have some key points I want to ask you though. I deleted the old repository and started from scratch. I cloned it on Windows (the process for Windows was way more annoying than what I was expecting) and then run npm install. The process run but it showed some errors and offered to run npm audit to fix them, which I did. Most errors were fixed but some persisted and audit force was suggested but when I tried it with it the process didn't go smoothly so I redid it and left those 8 problems (even though they were classified as 7 high and 1 critical). I used grunt build and then copy-pasted those 5 build files on-wiki + 2 suggested pages from EnWiki. Currently nothing is translated but that's just a TranslateWiki problem, the gadget appears to run as intended.

Now questions:

1. I have never used Twinkle so I can't tell if what SqWiki users currently have is what it is supposed to have or not. Can you check and give your opinion?
2. You have a subpage for setting up user preferences here. I suppose I should import that to SqWiki as well, no? It isn't mentioned anywhere as a detail.
3. As I said, I had 8 remaining errors. Any idea what am I talking about? What should I do about those? If you don't know what I'm referring, any idea how I can see the said errors again without having to delete/reclone the repository again from scratch? (I can do even that easily if needed.)
4. Check this. What may be causing that strange part? I saw some tests failing in my Git repo related to the same aspect. See here. Unfortunately the testing part in general is something I still struggle to understand even on Jenkins and other similar cases as you may have seen and given that I'm still learning, I don't understand much what's going on.
5. I'm guessing I'll have to further fine-tune the other modules, no? I'm a bit sad to admit that most of them (if not all :( ) don't make much sense in SqWiki because we lack the capabilities to utilize them.
6. Does the cloned directory in my laptop serve any function now that I created and imported those needed files on-wiki? Can I safely delete it? Or do I need it for periodic updates? Or are the said updates "done automatically" as soon as I merge those Dependabot requests for the twinkle-core and the folder serves no function anymore? - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello SD0001,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 804 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 851 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing {{subst:NPR invite}} on their talk page.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.

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Sent 05:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Double ping, sorry

I know it's a lot of pings, but Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Edit_to_User:Qst could use your thoughts and/or input. Primefac (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Questions about your DYK nomination counter

Hi there! couple things:

1. does it count double nominations as 1 or 2?
2. is there a publicly available list of nominations for an editor?

Many thanks :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:54, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

1. if you mean multi-article nominations, they are counted as one nomination, which while not ideal, is I think was okayed per the RFC follow-up discussion. Getting them to count as multiple nominations is lot more difficult.
2. you can get it via Quarry by running this query:

				SELECT page_title
				FROM revision_userindex
				JOIN page ON rev_page = page_id
				JOIN actor_revision ON rev_actor = actor_id
				WHERE page_namespace = 10
				AND page_title LIKE 'Did_you_know_nominations/%'
				AND page_is_redirect = 0
				AND rev_parent_id = 0
				AND actor_name = ?

– SD0001 (talk) 11:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Query

Hey, SD0001,

I hope you are well. SDZeroBot didn't issue a couple of reports today, the ones I look for are G13 eligible and G13 soon ones. I'd ordinarily chalk it up to the fact that November had 30 days while May has 31 days but G13 eligible is updated daily even if there are no drafts listed on the page. Plus, I'm having problems with Quarry queries that I've run dozens of times suddenly failing and giving me error messages and AnomieBOT III isn't issuing its reports on schedule earlier today. Is there a system problem going on? Thanks for any investigation you can do into these glitches that are happening today. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Looks like the system problem has been fixed but the SDZeroBot reports still haven't been produced so maybe it has something to do with the dates. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@Liz There was an issue with toolforge databases that caused scheduled runs to fail, as you've seen on phab. The bot doesn't really have a retry mechanism so the only way to get it to run once the issue is fixed is to invoke it manually, which I've done now. – SD0001 (talk) 04:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for taking care of this. We are still having regular problems with generating the "Special page" reports but that has nothing to do with your helpful bot, I just thought I'd mention it since it does seem like it was a system issue. Maybe the special pages have to be manually run each time, I don't know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

User:SDZeroBot/PROD Watch

Hey, SD0001,

Okay, another question for you but this time not about G13s! Lately, there has been a big push to PROD articles for old, little-watched American cable TV shows, mostly articles that were created in the 2000s for TV series that only lasted a season or two. But the move has brought up some defenders of these articles and so I was looking for the list of recently PROD'd articles which let me to User:SDZeroBot/PROD Watch/last week.

Here's what I don't understand: On the page for "last week", it states that 286 articles were PROD'd during the past week, on the page for "last fortnight", it lists only 240 PROD'd articles and on the list for "last month", there are only 183 PROD'd articles. It seems like the totals should be going in the opposite direction, there should be hundreds of articles that were PROD'd over the past 30 days and much fewer over the past 7 days. What am I not understanding here? Thank you for all of your help and patience. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

It's mentioned in the header - those aren't pages PROD'd in the last week or last fortnight, but pages that happened to be in the PROD category on the certain date which was a week back or fortnight back.
I know this is probably a lousy form of presentation. PROD watch appears to be getting very few page views, so I'm open to any suggestions on how it can be made more useful. – SD0001 (talk) 16:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but whether you're talking about pages that were tagged with a PROD tag or pages that were placed in a proposed deletion category, it still seems like the total number of articles for 30 days should be much larger than the number of articles for only 7 days of this 30 day period. I thought, "Maybe the pages that were deleted aren't counted" but there is a portion of the page that lists deleted articles so that's not the reason.

I think there is still something missing that would explain the large difference in number of articles for different time periods. Any way, with the recent controversy about editors going on a PROD tagging blitz, I have recommended the main, weekly page for editors who would like some clue as to the content of the pages that were deleted so these SDZeroBot pages might get a few more page views. Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Add soft delete restore to rfud-helper

Hi there. I'm very happy with using rfud-helper which saves a lot of time. Jay added a new option to the {{UND}} template for restoring soft deleted articles (similar to PROD restores), see User talk:SoWhy#Mad Love (JoJo song). Could you add this usage to the script please? TIA! Regards SoWhy 15:12, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done. @SoWhy Let me know if anything looks broken. – SD0001 (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

FunnyKills Bot

Hello SD0001. I recently came across FunnyKills Bot (talk · contribs) which states it is operated by one of your bots SDZeroBot. Before I block the account, I would like to see if that is in fact one of your bots. Thanks. -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:37, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@LuK3 I didn't create that account. I see it's already been blocked now, per User talk:SDZeroBot#User:FunnyKills Bot. – SD0001 (talk) 12:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

NPP Sorting not updated since 8 June

Hi the bit doesn’t seem to have updated the NPP sort since 8 June. All the best Mccapra (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

See the section above. It should be fixed at the next update. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible

Hey, SD0001,

We had a weird G13 eligible report tonight. Typically, it is an empty report or just contains a few drafts that were missed being tagged and deleted during the previous 24 hours. Or it can list a lot of pages when we have the 30/31 day problem at the very end of the month.

But today's version, on June 11th, has over 500 pages, all of which had already been deleted or "saved" from deletion in the past few days. Of course, redundant reporting isn't really a problem but since this thing hasn't happened before, I thought I'd bring it to your attention. It might have something to do with the big system lag mentioned in this Phab ticket from the end of the week. This lag has affected a lot of bots but I hadn't noticed any effect on SDZeroBot until now. Any way, I hope you are well! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:20, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Similar to this, User:SDZeroBot/Recent AfC declines has shown up blank two days in a row., so it's also probably related. Curbon7 (talk) 00:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

This is very likely to be caused by the system lag. Any regularly updated reports should be viewed with a skeptical eye until that problem is resolved, possibly on Sunday or Monday. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@Liz Thanks for letting me know. The "G13 eligible" report is supposed to be unaffected by replication lag. However, there were some minor issues in the code which along with the lag were together resulting in the weird output. I have pushed some fixes. I ran it manually now and it's as expected - 0 entries. (The count at the top was also off – it wasn't showing 500+ pages, just 54!) – SD0001 (talk) 10:36, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@Curbon7 @Jonesey95 As for User:SDZeroBot/Recent AfC declines, yes that one is because of replag. In fact, it uses data by reading Template:AfC statistics/declined – which EarwigBot hasn't updated since 9 June. – SD0001 (talk) 10:38, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

So, tonight, no User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible or User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon reports were issued. It's odd because SDZeroBot hadn't been as affected by the system lag as much as some other bots. And other bots have started working today that were out-of-commission since Thursday and the lag is now reportedly 0. So, it's weird that SDZeroBot would be affected today. These are the main reports I look at so I don't know if other, non-G13 reports have had problems. Thanks again, SD0001! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your responsiveness, SD0001! I see the reports I mention were issued just a few hours after I posted this. Many thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:14, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Same, the AfC ones are back up and running smoothly. Your bots play a key role in the reviewing process, so thanks for your great work! Curbon7 (talk) 00:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello SD0001,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

Backlog drive

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.

TIP – New school articles

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.

Misc

There is a new template available, {{NPP backlog}}, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:

Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 13095 articles, as of 14:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC), according to DatBot

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.

Reminders

• Consider staying informed on project issues by putting the project discussion page on your watchlist.
• If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, suggest they help the effort by placing {{subst:NPR invite}} on their talk page.
• If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.
• To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

Notes

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!

New Page Patrol | July 2022 Backlog Drive
On 1 July, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Redirect patrolling is not part of the drive. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
You're receiving this message because you are a new page patroller. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

(t · c) buidhe 20:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:AfC sorting/History and Society/History

This AfC sorting category hiccupped a bit and now has gone silent for a full 24 hours. It's also mysteriously disappeared from the contents list at Wikipedia:AfC sorting, even though the current version of the page does have an article on it. That article has been reviewed, though - does it perhaps just not update if the topic is completely empty? -- asilvering (talk) 06:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Due to a bug, the bot doesn't update the page if the topic becomes completely empty. – SD0001 (talk) 12:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

The "edits since nomination" link at AfDs was a brilliant idea! Enterprisey (talk!) 20:21, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Good Article counter

I understand you are the creator of this tool. For some reason the tool did not pick up and count my latest successful nomination for James L. Buie that was closed 3 August 2022. I should have a count of 223 with James L. Buie being at the top of the list. It may have something to do with this edit. Can you correct accordingly where my count shows this successful nomination of James L. Buie to Good Article? Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 08:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Done. Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#Help!. – SD0001 (talk) 08:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022

New Page Review queue August 2022

Hello SD0001,

Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

Coordination

MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.

Open letter to the WMF

The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.

TIP - Reviewing by subject

Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.

New reviewers

The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.

Reminders

• Consider staying informed on project issues by putting the project discussion page on your watchlist.
• If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, suggest they help the effort by placing {{subst:NPR invite}} on their talk page.
• If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.
• To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

NPP message

Hi SD0001,

Invitation

For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Query

Hello, SD0001,

The past few days, I've run into User pages tagged CSD G13 that aren't showing up on SDZeroBot's lists. So far, it's only been 5 pages over the past few days but since I've been working with SDZeroBot's lists since September 2020, it's very unusual for the bot to miss picking up pages. Typically, when editors tag Drafts or User pages CSD G13, they have been mistagged as they don't understand the criteria required for a G13. But these pages that I'm concerned with have been tagged by experienced editors and meet the G13 criteria.

The only commonality is that the last edit for all of these pages was in early February and they were all placed in the Category:Draft AfC submissions category so they haven't been placed in the standard Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions category. I'd link to some of these tagged pages but they get deleted soon after they are tagged. Any ideas? At least it has not been a huge number of missed pages. I hope you are having a good weekend! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:32, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Liz,
The lists will exclude userspace G13s unless they carry the {{AfC submission}} template or one of its sub-templates, because G13 doesn't otherwise apply. If there is any other page that was missed, let me know its title and latest deleted content. Have a great weekend! – SD0001 (talk) 05:50, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Feedback on Vector (2022) conversation

The slides to our latest Wikimania presentation

Hello! As a member of WikiProject Usability, I wanted to draw your attention to a conversation currently underway on WP:VPR (see the beginning of the discussion) around adopting Vector 2022 as the new default skin.

The Web team at the Wikimedia Foundation has been working on Vector 2022 for the past three years, collaborating with the English Wikipedia community as well as other wikis to ensure that the skin performs better qualitatively and quantitatively for readers and communities than the previous Vector skin. The goal of the new skin is to create a more welcoming and easier to use experience for readers and editors across the wiki. For more details, see our new FAQ.

For the past couple of months, we have collected thoughts from the English Wikipedia community on what changes need to be made to the skin prior to it being considered ready for deployment. Our next step would be to start an RfC to assess whether the community considers Vedtor 2022 ready.

Prior to the beginning of the RfC, we wanted to draw your attention to the current conversation and encourage your feedback on the skin.

Our results from Vector 2022 at a glance

• The sticky header makes it easier to access tools that editors use often. It decreases scrolling to the top of the page by 16%
• The new table of contents makes it easier to navigate to different sections. Readers and editors jumped between sections 50% more than with the old table of contents
• The new search bar is easier to find and makes it easier to find the correct search result from the list. This increased the amount of searches started by 30% on the wikis we tested on
• The collapsible sidebar allows readers and editors to choose whether they want to see the main menu or not. Our testing shows that this allows people to better focus on their current task - reading with a collapsed menu, or editing with an open menu
• The language switching menu makes it possible to switch languages without scrolling
• The user menu collects all user links in a single place, making it easier to understand what each link does. In testing, 71% of surveyed editors reported positive experiences with the new menu

Thank you, OVasileva (WMF), SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 12:27, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

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HotArticlesBot

Hi there! I just stumbled over the work of HotArticlesBot and have a couple questions:

1. Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Hot articles states that "These are the articles that have been edited the most within the last seven days." Should the text say something like "These are the WikiProject Medicine articles that have been edited the most within the last seven days" instead? When the list is transcluded on a user page, it's not clear that the list is only including articles from one WikiProject.
2. User:HotArticlesBot states "This user account is a bot operated by Kaldari (talk) and SD0001 (talk)." Since Kaldari is retired, should their name be removed? (Or noted somewhere that Kaldari is a former bot operator?)

Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:53, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Kaldari wrote the bot. I don't actually operate it, though I can probably take a look if something were going wrong – which I took on just to avoid the bot having just a retired operator. – SD0001 (talk) 12:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

G13 soon

Hi. User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon hasn't been updating for the past couple days. Hitting an edit filter maybe? Curbon7 (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

No, this is expected. At the end of the month, sometimes there will no report for a day or two, or multiple reports in a single day, to account for the fact that months have different number of days. The next report (drafts with last edit on 10 March) should be there tomorrow. – SD0001 (talk) 15:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah my apologies, I only just started tracking using G13 soon this month. Thanks for the info! Curbon7 (talk) 21:48, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

No worries, Curbon7, I'm surprised you posted here about this before I did. And I've discussed this situation with SD0001 many, many times! I still get concerned when the bot doesn't issue a report on schedule even though it's predictable. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:35, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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RFUD Helper

Hi, just started using the script (very useful thanks) but I think there is an update needed following the introduction of Wikipedia:Discussion Tools. The subscribe button introduced in discussion tools is getting picked up by the script as the section name in the edit summary. See my contributions list to see that the section heading is Subscribe rather than the actual section name. Nthep (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think it started on August 8. See WT:Requests for undeletion#rfud-helper Accept link issue. Jay 💬 17:10, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Adding my two cents that it's happening to me as well—and there's a "the section header does not match the page to be undeleted" error while in the helper dialog box. —C.Fred (talk) 16:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I have updated the discussion at RfU. Jay 💬 06:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

RFUD helper

Hi SD0001! I would like to ask you if the RFUD helper is supposed to remove the PROD tags automatically after the article restoration. It happened to me twice this week that the tags weren't removed and I wondered if there's maybe some kind of bug. Thank you! Best, Less Unless (talk) 10:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@Less Unless Yes it's supposed to remove PROD tags. On which article did it not work? – SD0001 (talk) 11:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi! They are Rodney Jackson and Plan A Plan B. Both were added to the PROD list. Thank you. Less Unless (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

RFUD helper draftify option

RFUD Helper has a Userfy response on accepting the undeletion, but not a Draftify. Request to add the option for Draftify. Jay 💬 18:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for long term good contributions to Wikipedia's administrative processes and community discussions on best practices. I see you commenting wisely in many places. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry You're welcome! – SD0001 (talk) 07:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Redirectify Watch page being added to speedy deletion category

Hi, just to let you know that User:SDZeroBot was adding User:SDZeroBot/Redirectify Watch to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. It added the text {{Db-same|article=September 2022 Burkina Faso coup d'état}} in these edits: [1][2]. The speedy deletion tag at the article in question (2022 Burkina Faso coup d'état (September)) has now been removed, so this should fix the problem for now. But to prevent admins from deleting the Redirectify Watch page in the future, it might be worth making sure the bot doesn't categorise the page incorrectly. Maybe by expanding all templates then removing categories, or maybe by removing all templates. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:02, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Issue with sdzerobot

Hi! Wanted to ask why Etchmiadzin Cathedral doesn't appear in the list of my GAs. Could you look into it? Thanks. --Երևանցի ^talk 13:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi Ahh, this is an edge case in the bot logic for determining author after accounting for user renames. Since your account was renamed on 2013-11-24, which is between the date of nomination and date of promotion, the article was showing up under your old username instead. I have made a manual edit in the database so it should appear fine now. – SD0001 (talk) 17:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Counting GAs

Hi there. I have just noticed that my user page infobox stating that I have helped promote 100 GAs has gained a little tag leading to a list of these GAs. Except it only lists 50 - the other 50 which I have subsequently helped on their way to FA are missing. (Oddly, the 30 which I have helped to A class but not FA are still there.) Is there a way of either making the list the tag leads to show the full list, or failing that of removing the link to the incomplete tally? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 08:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

User:SDZeroBot/NPP sorting/STEM/Space not getting updated?

Hello! I've noticed that this page isn't getting updated, though the single article on it was reviewed four days ago. If you have a moment, could you take a look? Thank you so much! ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 01:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Matthewrb There are no more articles under the topic area. It's a bug in the bot that it doesn't update the page to show an empty list if there are no entries. – SD0001 (talk) 03:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@SD0001 Ah, makes sense. Thank you so much for letting me know, and for the awesome bot! ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 02:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Category:SDZeroBot database report subscriptions

Hello, SD0001,

This category showed up on tonight's Empty Categories list. Do you expect it to remain empty? It can be tagged with an {{emptycat}} tag if it will be occasionally empty. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:30, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hiya Liz! I REFUNDed this cat for SD today. I suspect it will take a turn of the clock before the bot populates the category. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

It's non-empty now. – SD0001 (talk) 08:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Enriqueta Legorreta

I am probably the least technically oriented person on Wikipedia, so I am completely at a loss as to what to do when my DYK nomination showed this. Does that message mean I need to do something? If so specifically and step-by-step please tell me what. The nomination was created, but I am confused by the error message. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 14:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

It was because the comment was missing underneath the daily header. I have added it now. I see you've already listed the nomination manually, so there's nothing further to do. – SD0001 (talk) 18:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	This is the first time SDZeroBot gave me a notification for an article I significantly created. That's a great idea; I like that there's a bot who'll notify people when I nominate for AfD. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 06:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

GAN counter bug

Hi, your GAN counter doesn't seem to include articles that have since passed FA. Anarchyte (talk) 08:29, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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RFUD helper bug report

Heya. Love this little tool! But when I use it, it uses the "Subscribe" link when making its update, instead of the name of the request section. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

This seems to be fixed now. Thanks! UtherSRG (talk) 11:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello SD0001,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

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RFUDHelper - Add ping option?

Hi there. Do you think you could include an option to ping the requesting user when handling a request at WP:RFUD using your excellent script? The admin instructions tell us that we should ping people because they probably won't see it otherwise but that currently requires manually adding a comment with the username only. Regards SoWhy 11:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

@SoWhy  Done. Thanks for the suggestion. Detecting username programmatically from the request text is easier now because of DiscussionTools. In case it can't be detected due to some reason, there will be an option to enter it manually. – SD0001 (talk) 06:16, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Great job as always Thanks for handling it so quickly! Regards SoWhy 08:37, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
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RFUD Helper tool update request

Can we get the draftify variant of {{UND}} added to the tool in a similar manner to userify? For now, I've been using the userify option and then moving the page to draftspace manually. Thanks! UtherSRG (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @UtherSRG, apologies for the delayed response.
In this case, should the talk page also be undeleted and moved to draft talk namespace (assuming the undelete talk page checkbox is checked)? Current behaviour for userfication is to not undelete the talk. – SD0001 (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, although I'm curious as to the reason talk isn't userified. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done Support added for draftification, but not for the talk page. Yes I suppose undeleting and moving the talk also makes sense in case of userfication. Will implement that tomorrow. Ideally there's more work to be done – commenting out categories, commenting out non-free images, adjusting class in assessment templates on the talk page, and so on. – SD0001 (talk) 19:30, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Also noticed that there was a bug in the way the section is live-reloaded after response is saved. Fixed now. – SD0001 (talk) 19:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'd noticed that, but thought it was an issue with Vector2022. Thanks for fixing that, too! - UtherSRG (talk) 20:22, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

You da best! :) - UtherSRG (talk) 20:22, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Hrm. I think the task ordering for this could be improved. I think a check of whether a draft already exists should happen before the article is undeleted, so that if the draft is there already, the user can decide to cancel the process. I just ran into this with Draft:Alexander Blockx and had to manually re-delete the restored article. I do like the option to choose another draft title, though. Perhaps also have a link to the existing draft to make checking to see if the draft article is about the same topic? - UtherSRG (talk) 12:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

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New Page Review queue December 2022

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The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

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A barnstar for you!

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	For creating User:SDZeroBot which hepls me too much for finding pending articles for creation and articles for deletion. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 11:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

GAR helper?

Hi SD0001! Your DYK and easy-merge tools have been an enormous help to me over the last few years, so let me second SoWhy's barnstar above.

Now that I have the flattery out of the way, I was wondering if you'd be interested in writing a tool similar to your GAN helper, but for GARs. We've recently gotten consensus to streamline the previously-byzantine process, and are working on the final version of the new process. It would be really useful to have a tool that could create the GAR subpage, add it to the article talk, and list the GAR at the central GAR page. Is that something you might be interested in looking at? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Premeditated Chaos. It already exists! User:SD0001/GAR-helper. – SD0001 (talk) 16:52, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

All that technical prowess and you're psychic too! ;) It will likely need updating soon once the streamlined process is settled. Do you want me to drop you a line? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

This is absolutely amazing, thanks :). We'll link it more prominently on the GAR instructions! I'll leave a few comments on the script's talk page. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:57, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm concerned that this may be overlapping with what Novem Linguae is working on at my talk page ?? See also User:SandyGeorgia/sandbox9. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:52, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

See User talk:SandyGeorgia#GARCloser and mass delisting. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I think this script opens GANs and GARs, and mine closes them. While I'm a bit surprised these evolved to not be the same script, for now I think they are non overlapping. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:40, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae I had been thinking of one uber-script to provide all GAN/GAR/DYK/FAC/FAR/PR opening and closing functionality in one script (User:SD0001/Quart) – kind of a Swiss army knife like Twinkle, though I never had the time to work on it 😅. It'll save everyone the hassle of discovering and installing multiple little-known scripts. Let me know if you or anyone else is interested in something like this – we could collaborate on GitHub. – SD0001 (talk) 17:26, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

You mean what GimmeBot did ? Been asking for it forever. But Gimmetrow also rolled ITN and OTD and AFD as well as Featured Lists and Featured Topics in to {{article history}} before he was chased off by an LTA master sock and accomplices. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

User:SD0001/Quart looks like a very interesting idea. Would be more organized in the long run, but would take a long time to pay dividends. I think it'd be a lot of work to merge in 5 people's scripts. I'm sure they all have their own interfaces, coding styles, etc. I've watchlisted the page... maybe someday :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:06, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

You should see the manual work I'm doing on FACs and FARs to roll in outrageous OTD templates, which use a different format for oldid and date from articlehistory, so the work is tedious ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:10, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Reminds me of programming GANReviewTool to convert {{GA}} to {{Article history}}. I wrote a lot of tests to make sure this worked without bugs. These templates are more complicated than people think, eh?

If your OTD to article history project has dozens or hundreds of the same task over and over again, might be worth requesting a user script or requesting a bot. There's dedicated pages to request technical things. That's how I ended up making GANReviewTool. Someone requested it :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I should ask for the OTD/ITN script to be developed ... it's tedious but repetitive, and probably not hard to code ... just haven't found the time. The same script could probably merge in old DYKs, and (then) most talk pages on FAs or former FAs would be clean. GAs are another matter. Those talk pages are a mess. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:52, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Finally (like I've got nothing else going on right now): [3] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

One Script to Rule Them All and on the talkpage bind them? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

💍😈😈 –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:46, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

rfud-helper userfication bug

Hi SD0001. Quick bug report for you about the userfication feature of rfud-helper. When I userfy an article that was deleted at AfD, the script will 1) undelete the article, 2) move it to the User: namespace without leaving a redirect, and 3) add Template:Old AfD in the Talk: namespace rather than the User talk: namespace, creating an orphaned talk page. See here for an example: it undeleted Jacob Ming-Trent, moved it to User:JamesLucas/sandbox/Jacob Ming-Trent, but created Talk:Jacob Ming-Trent rather than User talk:JamesLucas/sandbox/Jacob Ming-Trent. (Let me know if I've explained that poorly.) Hopefully there's an easy fix, and thanks for all you do! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:45, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the bug report. Will take this up along with the remaining work in #RFUD_Helper_tool_update_request. – SD0001 (talk) 14:50, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

List of GANs

My GAN userbox now correctly states that I have helped promote 104 GAs. If this was your doing, thank you. But when I click on "104" I get a list of 54 articles [4]. The difference is due to the 50 articles which have been promoted to FA since passing GA not being included. Is it possible for this to be resolved? The 54 total also shows up on the GAN list page, but I am unsure if that number is taken from the same source. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:41, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Pardon me for butting in. I don't know if SD0001 keeps a history of pages that used to be GAs, but I have been working on an extract of GA history that includes fails and delists. At the moment it's only about 98% accurate but it does include GAs that have subsequently changed status to FAs. If SD0001 doesn't keep that history, I might be able to provide a report that does something similar. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mike Christie SDZeroBot only maintains the counts using pages currently in Category:Good articles. The database is updated every time a page enters or exits the category. A promotion to FA is treated the same as a GA delisting. – SD0001 (talk) 15:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild Yes that count doesn't include FAs, since technically they are no longer GAs. If you maintain a subpage with the list of articles, you can override the link by passing its name as an additional parameter to the userbox template. Thanks for writing so many quality articles! – SD0001 (talk) 15:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

In which case, could the userbox language be changed. And the number. At the moment a passing editor clicking on "104" and finding a list of only 54 is likely to, hmm, suspect my ability to count. Or worse. If there has to be a link to a list of articles promoted at GAN which have not since been promoted to FA - and personally I don't believe there should be - could the userbox text and number reflect this? Gog the Mild (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

The number shown is whatever you're passing into the template. I meant overriding the link like this, so the number and the list match. – SD0001 (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah. Apologies and thank you. (A bit technical for me, what you just did.) Gog the Mild (talk) 16:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

SDZeroBot AfC frequency

Hi SD, I was wondering whether there was a way of increasing the frequency that the bot makes changes to the AfC article sorting page? I (personally) feel it should be more often, but if it's restricted to that (or if there was a discussion about it, etc), do let me know. Thx Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

SD0001, any thoughts on this? Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 13:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

It was initially once per 24 hours, but was reduced to once per 6 hours on User:KylieTastic's request, though I can't find the discussion. But since each update causes about 67 edits (one main page and 66 subpages), it was later reduced to once per 8 hours as that cuts 25% of the proliferation in contribs logs and page histories.

@Mattdaviesfsic Is there a reason why you think it should be updated more frequently? – SD0001 (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

SD0001, just purely think it would be good to have it updated more frequently, no particular reason in all honesty. I presume it's a coding thing which sets it to update 3x a day? Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) discussion twas: AfC sorting updates — KylieTastic (talk) 16:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

GAR script

SD001, can you look at this? All of the DC talk pages and reviewers and nominator have already been notified of WP:DCGAR, and The Rambling Man has specifically asked me not to post to their talk page. I clicked the box saying not to notify, but the script did anyway. This is a problem as I have several more to do. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

As an "experienced" user you should be familiar with the {{noping}} template SandyGeorgia. I suggest you pick up the cues, I don't want you to leave me messages or ping me elsewhere, as, to be explicit, your own behaviour has driven me from this project. Stop doing this, you really should know better. Some would suggest (and some have suggested) that your ongoing behaviour is pure antagonism. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Sheesh, TRM, give it a break; as you should be able to see I am trying to correct the script issue and trying to apologize. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:18, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

"Sheesh" stop pinging me. You drove me away from Wikipedia, the last thing I want is to hear more from your foetid pings. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

If that is the case, the driving was a two-way street. I haven't pinged you again since my first attempt to apologize for the extra notification and to let you know I was trying to solve the script problem that caused it. Now if you want to continue this conversation, take it to my talk page and stop bothering SD0001. I don't kick people off my talk page, and it's unkind to further a one-way conversation on a third-party's talk page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:03, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

👏👏👏 . The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

SD0001, some ideas so users like me might avoid this kind of unpleasantry.

First, before the GAR-helper submits, can the user get an idea of exactly where the notices are going to go, so they can have a chance to opt out, or even, not initiate the GAR? I got one shot, I clicked something saying not to notify, then submit-- and bam, I get this.

Second, when the GAR-helper sends a notice on behalf of an editor, can the signature indicate that (something like WP:MMS does-- where it uses an MMS signature)?

This was a bad enough experience that I won't ever initiate a GAR again, so sorry to say, after our wonderful experience together in generating WP:URFA/2020. Thanks for all you do, and sorry for this outcome. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:16, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Apologies - you are right, it turns out that checkbox does nothing at all. I've temporarily removed it, while I work on displaying a preview of notices to be sent. – SD0001 (talk) 14:48, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks; you're still the best :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:48, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Now there is a preview button which also shows the talk pages where notifications will be placed, and allows unchecking one or more of them. (Submitting without going through preview will notify everyone by default, though.) – SD0001 (talk) 19:48, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Awesome (and speedy); I may try it again sometime when I am sure I won't hit unpleasantness. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:52, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Size parameter?

Hi, I've come to ask an additional favor. When you next refresh User:BD2412/sandbox/Drafts#Drafts by age, can you add a parameter for the size of the draft? I'm working on the theory that larger pages have more content and are closer to completion. Cheers! BD2412 T 13:36, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@BD2412 Done.
However, please note this db query is using circular logic. It lists all the pages that are linked from User:BD2412/sandbox/Drafts - the page itself! So, if you blank the page leaving just the database report template, it will result in empty output. – SD0001 (talk) 15:20, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thanks! BD2412 T 20:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

GA Calculator

Hello, SD0001. I changed my username from "MX" to Morogris. I used to have 42 GAs (see here), but they don't populate with my new username (see here). Could you please help me with this? I looked in the GAN page and none of them appear under my name. Many thanks and sorry for the inconvenience. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 04:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Morogris, when did the username change occur? The script to fix the counts to account for renames runs on the 1st of every month. So it should be all sorted then. – SD0001 (talk) 08:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Never mind, there's a bug in the script due to which it failed its last run. Will fix it later today. – SD0001 (talk) 08:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed – SD0001 (talk) 20:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Do you how I can fix my review count at WP:GAN? I've reviewed over 70 articles in the past decade but it is only showing 1 since my name change. TY again. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 04:37, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mike Christie runs the bot which tracks review counts. – SD0001 (talk) 08:44, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Morogris, I've added your old and new names to the list of name changes the bot keeps track of. The review count should update later today -- if it doesn't, let me know. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

• Hi SD0001, thanks for all your work on this tool. I noticed it was undercounting a bit, and when cross-referencing the ones the tool listed to my own list of GAs, I found it isn't catching those articles that were later promoted to FA status. This isn't a huge concern, I'd think, but I figured I should mention it. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 23:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

API for GANs tool

Hi, would it be possible to get an API for the GANs lookup tool (e.g. [1])? Or is the dataset available somewhere in a machine-readable way? Thanks! Legoktm (talk) 21:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Legoktm Hi, there's an API to get the nominator when given an article name (eg. [5]). The entire dataset is public on toolforge database s54328__goodarticles_p table nominators. – SD0001 (talk) 04:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh perfect, thank you! Legoktm (talk) 05:01, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

List of Wikipedians by good article nominations

A very minor issue, that might not even be of importance to you. I'm not on there, which is a minor issue. I have few, and I think some of those were co-noms on my end. However, I do see a couple of things that may, or may not, be of interest to you: LavaBaron is an old blocked sock of BlueSalix. LauraHale is gone for good, vanished or whatever they call it. — Maile (talk) 21:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

It only lists the top 500 which might be why you're not there. Co-noms don't get counted because there isn't a technical means to identify them. The lists is statistical, so lists everyone even if blocked or gone for good. – SD0001 (talk) 04:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

NPP sorting bug

Hello!

Sometimes, redirects are caught by your NPP sorting pages monitored by your bot account, such as User:SDZeroBot/NPP sorting/Culture/Media/Music, and if redirect categorization templates are transcluded, the category Pages with templates in the wrong namespace is added. If you could at least automatically wrap those tags in nowikis, that would be great. Thanks! :) ~ Eejit43 (talk) 16:05, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eejit43 NPP sorting pages don't include redirects. In this case, the page was in this state - there was an rcat template on a non-redirect, that too not even on a new line. The bot scrubs out all templates that begin on a new line, but the inline ones are retained as they usually are part of the text. – SD0001 (talk) 07:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Cannot remove redirected stub template using StubSorter.js

Hi, StubSorter is unable to remove the Template:Madhya Pradesh-stub from Chitrangi Assembly constituency. I'm guessing that this is because it is a redirect to Template:MadhyaPradesh-stub. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Being a redirect is not an issue by itself. Issue is that this is a redirect containing a space in title, which is not per the naming convention for stub tags, unusual even for stub tag redirects. – SD0001 (talk) 06:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

SDZeroBot tracking page

A couple of times this month alone, I've had to edit User:SDZeroBot/GAN sorting to get it out of articlespace categories it didn't belong in, such as Category:Australian members of the Order of Merit and Category:Australian Fellows of the Royal College of Physicians and Category:Australian Fellows of the Royal Society. The issue seems to be that when SDzerobot updates the page, it copies over the full {{post-nominals}} template from the articles, inclusive of "country=AUS-cats" code, thus artificially transcluding the page back into various categories — but then I have to go through the list removing "country=AUS-cats" from all the updated entries that have it, because userspace pages can't be appearing in articlespace categories at all. Since I know it's a bot and not you doing it yourself, could you edit the bot to either remove the "country=AUS-cats" code from the post-nominals template or wrap the post-nominals template in the {{suppress categories}} wrapper when it updates the page, so that the page doesn't get readded to categories? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 20:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

It's still happening, and it still needs to stop happening. Could you please ensure that the bot doesn't readd that page to articlespace categories? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 00:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Another week later, it's still happening, and it still needs to stop happening. If I ever see that page back in mainspace categories again I'm going to have to take it to WP:VPT to get them to do something about it, because having to keep manually editing the page to take it back out of mainspace categories is getting tiresome. Would you please do something so that the page stops getting readded to mainspace categories every time the bot updates it? Bearcat (talk) 16:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed with this commit. – SD0001 (talk) 18:06, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

SDZeroBot

Hello, SD0001,

I've left you some messages about your bot and its lack of activity today on the bot's user talk page but I don't know whether or not you have looked at it since you returned to the project today. So, here's another message. Sorry, I tried to keep the discussion to the bot's page but it doesn't seem to have gotten your attention yet. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:17, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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RFUD-helper issue

When restoring a PROD'd article, RFUD-helper doesn't remove the PROD tag. It would be very handy if it did that. Can you add that functionality please? Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@UtherSRG It's supposed to be removed. Can you link to the page where it didn't work? – SD0001 (talk) 12:55, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Darshan (2004 film) was the most recent. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:12, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

And now worked fine on Sri Ram (film)‎. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:21, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

But didn't work on Draft:Thomas Q. Seabrooke. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

AFD header wasn't removed when draftifying Draft:Aladdin (Indian TV series). - UtherSRG (talk) 20:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I have another one. REFUNDing from a prod'd mainspace article to draft didn't remove the prod notice: Draft:Culver Square. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)