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DYK for Julie Wera
On 20 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Julie Wera, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that reports of Julie Wera's (pictured) death were greatly exaggerated? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Julie Wera. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Julie Wera), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
NinjaRMM draft deletion
Hey, I disagree with your decision to not undelete my draft. I provided plenty of legitimate, independent feature news articles about the company and product and kept a neutral, unbiased tone throughout. Many of our competitors are also on Wikipedia, so why can we not create this page? Here are multiple examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolarWinds , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datto_(company) , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConnectWise_Control
I am employed by the company, as I've properly disclosed. I would appreciate greater elaboration as to how my article on NinjaRMM can be accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ITninja2020 (talk • contribs) 16:10, August 19, 2021 (UTC)
- @ITninja2020: you can appeal my decision at WP:DRV. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:53, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I tried to PROD this article, then noticed you had also tried here. Should it go to AFD? Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:15, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Magnolia677, a redirect seems fine to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I tip my hat to you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Phil Valentine
On 23 August 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Phil Valentine, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 03:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
KidAd and captions
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi Muboshgu. I noticed you recently warned KidAd about edit-warring over captions, and they seemed to agree to stop. However, they're again edit-warring over it at Pete Buttigieg (see [1], [2]). This is actually something that they've been doing for many months, before your warning. ― Tartan357 Talk 02:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Interesting strategy. Let's call it the "no-ping tattle". If I remember correctly, I agreed to stop removing captions that are appropriately-formatted (i.e.KidAd • SPEAK 03:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Cosby in 2010
. I think the more concerning issue here is Tartan's obsession withofficial caption, year
, which is not mentioned anywhere in MOS:CAPLENGTH.- I see no benefit in pinging you as I've raised this with you before and you respond very aggressively, as you just have, accusing me of having an "obsession". It's not productive. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:03, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
I would not stop you if you addedKidAd • SPEAK 03:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Buttigieg in 2021
as the caption. That would be correct per MOS:CAPLENGTH. Just stop trying to makeofficial portrait, year
a thing. It isn't a thing.
- I see no benefit in pinging you as I've raised this with you before and you respond very aggressively, as you just have, accusing me of having an "obsession". It's not productive. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:03, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Fear not gentleman. I've begun a discussion on the bio-in-question's talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 03:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- GoodDay, this has been discussed at great length, and is at this point a conduct issue. You are free to discuss with them if you wish, of course. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
I just got off a plane so I'll add just one thing here. Tartan357 is right that this is a conduct issue. KidAd, I am glad that you self-reverted, but if you continue this crusade against captions that are in line with MOS:CAPLENGTH, the conduct will be elevated to the appropriate noticeboard. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:37, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- I do not plan on crusading against anything. I will do my best to abide by policy and hope others will join me. Thank you. KidAd • SPEAK 05:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Office topic: I fully admit to telling an IP that "This will shock the pants off of you", in a George V discussion. I shall await my fate at Arbcom. GoodDay (talk) 06:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Edits about Andrew Couno
Can you please tell me why you revert my edits about [Andrew Couno]? Thre are two media sources why you delete all of them but not only bad if you think so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by User cruiser Ben (talk • contribs) 08:56, August 23, 2021 (UTC)
- User cruiser Ben, of course. Your first edit used WP:POV words "infamous", "dubious", and "criminals". The others use "dubious" and "criminals" as well. As Larry Hockett pointed out, the sources do not support the text that you added. And finally, illegal campaign donations made to Andrew Cuomo's campaign have nothing to do with Mario Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, or Kerry Kennedy. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:08, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Muboshgu I got it, it should been more neutral and in right place and with better source. Look like I've done bad edites. Thanks.
Draft:Cory Jean - my rationale
I have deleted that autobiography as a blatant advertisement. If you really disagree with me, restore it again, and I will not oppose you; we're both working towards the good of the project here. But the shameless blatancy of that one is just more than I was willing to sustain. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:42, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Orangemike, no I do not disagree with you at all. Tbh I didn't look at it beyond the G13 deletion code. I should have looked closer, as I would've done exactly what you did, like I did with Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Draft:NinjaRMM. Thanks for catching that. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Larry Elder
I edited the "Black Face of White Supremacy" information on Elder's article with 2 correct sources but my edit has been removed twice. I want your help. Lostfan333 (talk) 21:42, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Lostfan333, I don't see any discussion on Elder's talk page. You should initiate discussion there. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:03, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
I could care less about what other people think about the subject. I want you only. Lostfan333 (talk) 22:06, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Lostfan333, I'm flattered, but that's not how WP:CONSENSUS works. I don't overrule anybody. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Well, I came to you for a reason. If you thought my edit was worth it, I'd create the discussion, but if you thought it was unnecessary I wouldn't bother. That's all I wanted but I have another question.
A few months ago, right after I created my user box, this smaller box appeared at the bottom of the page that said, "other users who have seen Lost, other users who are Gay" and stuff like that. Few weeks ago, it disappeared. I was wondering if you knew how that works because I was interested in searching for other Gay users like myself just for fun. I asked this same question to the same user who reverted my edits and he just deleted my question. lol Lostfan333 (talk) 00:09, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Charlie Watts
On 25 August 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Charlie Watts, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 02:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Jimmy Hayes (ice hockey)
On 25 August 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jimmy Hayes (ice hockey), which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 02:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Muboshgu, I pinged you since you are the one who maintains many of the redirects for candidates in elections. I hope you can care to explain to Elli and Tamzin that it has been precedent for years for the candidate pages to redirect to the latest election page, if the candidates have run in multiple elections. Thank you. Muhibm0307 (talk) 06:45, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Addie Joss Benefit Game
The article Addie Joss Benefit Game you nominated as a good article has passed 
; see Talk:Addie Joss Benefit Game for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sanfranciscogiants17 -- Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 22:22, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Concern regarding Draft:Lisa Scheller
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The Signpost: 29 August 2021
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Thank you for your swiftness there. S0091 (talk) 23:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Crap! They are back at it. S0091 (talk) 23:49, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- S0091, I wish there was more we can do with this asshole rather than just play Whac-A-Mole when he shows up. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know but at least we are doing what we can. S0091 (talk) 00:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- S0091, indeed. Keep on pinging me when you see it start. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Will do and sincerely thank you for all you do around this place. S0091 (talk) 00:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- S0091, indeed. Keep on pinging me when you see it start. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know but at least we are doing what we can. S0091 (talk) 00:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- S0091, I wish there was more we can do with this asshole rather than just play Whac-A-Mole when he shows up. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Ed Asner
On 30 August 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ed Asner, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 02:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
August harvest
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Thank for good DYK reviewing in August! I liked yesterday's Main page, with 4 bolded names I brought there, all in memory: the TFA, nominated for a missed user, the pictured DYK (Alfred Biolek), and two under Recent deaths, Siegfried Matthus and Teresa Żylis-Gara. August harvest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
WikiCup 2021 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished with over 500 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants, 
The Rambling Man and 
Epicgenius, each scoring over 3000 points, and six contestants scoring over 1000. All but one of the finalists achieved one or more FAs during the round, the exception being 
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Hog Farm. However, all their points are now swept away and everyone starts afresh in the final round.
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Bilorv scored for a 25-article good topic on Black Mirror but narrowly missed out on qualifying for the final round. There was enthusiasm for FARs, with 89 being performed, and there were 63 GARs and around 100 DYKs during the round. As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it to the final round; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For other contestants, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.
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Administrators' newsletter – September 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2021).
Administrator changes
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- Feedback is requested on the Universal Code of Conduct enforcement draft by the Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee.
- A RfC is open on whether to allow administrators to use extended confirmed protection on high-risk templates.
- A discussion is open to decide when, if ever, should discord logs be eligible for removal when posted onwiki (including whether to oversight them)
- A RfC on the next steps after the trial of pending changes on TFAs has resulted in a 30 day trial of automatic semi protection for TFAs.
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- The Score extension has been re-enabled on public wikis. It has been updated, but has been placed in safe mode to address unresolved security issues. Further information on the security issues can be found on the mediawiki page.
Arbitration
- A request for comment is in progress to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the Arbitration Committee election and resolve any issues not covered by existing rules. Comments and new proposals are welcome.
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- The 2021 RfA review is now open for comments.
"Andrew Pullin" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Andrew Pullin. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 5#Andrew Pullin until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Engr. Smitty Werben 16:56, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Jesse Mermell
Hello, Muboshgu. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Jesse Mermell".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 22:29, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, just seeing this post from Twinkle. Sorry for not making it more of a personal notice. Liz Read! Talk! 03:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:George Santos
Hello, Muboshgu. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "George Santos".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 16:36, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Another notice about a draft article you started, Muboshgu. Liz Read! Talk! 16:37, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, hey no worry about the notices! These two most recent are drafts for people who came close to getting elected to Congress, but lost. I guess I could go through and G7 them myself instead. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Vernon Parker for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vernon Parker until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
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Larry Elder Talk Page
I came to you a while ago about the "Black face of White Supremacy" comments against Elder and I was disappointed with your answer. Ever since you caught me making "bad" edits, I always think about you before I make an edit, and I need you now again. This time I created a discussion on the issue because recent edits only contain negative things Elder has said, and not things said to him.
Recently, edits about Race have been added so I request the controversy with 3 sources and User Tarzan357 says they're not reliable while User Banana Republic says go ahead and add my request through an edit summary.
This time, I really want your take on this. Can I add the information or not?? Otherwise, I just feel dull about everything. I need you, please. Lostfan333 (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Lostfan333, I haven't been following that page but I'll take a look later today. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks so much!! Lostfan333 (talk) 17:21, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Lostfan333, honestly, I'm leaning against it. It's factual and all in that he was called that, and he responded as he responded, but what makes it encyclopedic and not WP:NOTNEWS? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:55, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Okay, as long as you tried. Thanks, I'll continue to think about you. Before the edits. Lostfan333 (talk) 03:00, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Lostfan333, I'll watchlist the article. I bet the content will have to change one way or another after the recall. It does need some rewriting to reduce the WP:proseline. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks again. Lostfan333 (talk) 06:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Muboshgu,
I watch a ridiculous amount of TV news and I wanted to let you know that some major TV networks (ABC, CBS) and some newspapers like the LA Times are reporting elements of his death that you have been revision deleting. I don't want to say anything specific, lest you delete my comments, but while I applaud you standing up for BLP, I think it's a matter of time before reliable sources like the NY Times and Washington Post also report it as well...not the cause of death but the circumstances surrounding his death. Just wanted to give you a head's up. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Reliable sources have reported it, including CNN, The Guardian, and The Sun. BLP is satisfied. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 03:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- This is way too aggressive of a guarding of this article, and rev-deleting this information is a disturbing misuse of admin privileges. The New York Times link just reported this actor's death, which is obviously tragic, as being investigated as a drug overdose. No such treatment was given to Kate Quigley or the countless other public figures documented on this site who have suffered from publicly document substance abuse issues or tragically succumbed to them. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 03:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Wikieditor19920, those networks don't follow WP:BDP, which you will notice is incredibly strict on what we report or not. We are not a news organization anyway. We stick to confirmed facts, no rumors. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- It is irrelevant whether or not it is a "rumor," nor would I agree with that characterization. External sources don't need to follow our policies. WP:BLP is a sourcing policy, and the NYT and CNN easily meet the requirements for the reported information. Your opinion is that we cannot include the information, but that is absolutely not required by policy with the sources provided. You are edit-warring and misusing the rev-del tools to give other users the impression that they are not permitted to disagree with you. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:10, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Wikieditor19920, those networks don't follow WP:BDP, which you will notice is incredibly strict on what we report or not. We are not a news organization anyway. We stick to confirmed facts, no rumors. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, it definitely shouldn't be in the article as of yet, but do you think it's going too far to RevDel it, since it is being added as it is reported in the press? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- You should not be rev-deleting additions that include sources like the New York Times and CNN. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- I count maybe five(?) reverts from you in the last 24 hours on this. These are not covered by the BLP exception if the editor provided a source such as the NYT or LA Times or CNN, but it is not immediately clear because you rev-deleted the page. You are crossing the line here, Muboshgu. Numerous pages concerning high-profile deaths due to drugs did not delay including the information, and did so as soon as it was available in reliable sources. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 18:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keith McCants, Kate Quigley. Two notable individuals who suffered from a reported drug overdose in the past week according to credible news reports. McCants is deceased; Quigley survived. Neither prompted the attention of an administrator to repeatedly revert this information out of the article or rev-del the page history. Why are you not zealously imposing such restrictions on these pages? Wikieditor19920 (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Wikieditor19920, I don't know of those people, I was not on their pages, I am not familiar with their circumstances. What I am clear on is that we don't know enough to add anything to Williams' page and it is absolutely a BDP violation. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- OK, well, now at least you're on notice that 1) these are individuals who are notable enough to have a Wikipedia page and 2) it was reported in the last week that they either died of a drug overdose or suffered one. That would seem parallel to the situation at Michael K. Williams. Is intervention warranted here? (Probably not.)
- It is also incorrect to say unequivocally that this is a BDP violation (what you really mean is BLP) given the sources that have been provided thus far. The New York Times reported that his death is being investigated as a drug overdose. That is an objective fact, and clearly of interest to the article. I'm not ignorant to the BLP concerns; obviously there is a moral stigma around drug use in this country, and inclusion of this information is decidedly negative or might be perceived that way.
- However, because something is negative doesn't mean it needs to be immediately purged. It means we need the highest quality sources. Do you not believe that is met with the NYT piece? Wikieditor19920 (talk) 02:59, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Wikieditor19920, what I see on Williams is a BDP violation until it's confirmed by an autopsy. As for the others, you're raising good points. Has anyone confirmed that it was an overdose? I don't know what the sourcing is for it. If you want to take that up, this should be discussed on WP:BLP/N. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- The sources are equivalent in these instances as far as I can tell, so any issues that you believe apply to Michael K. Williams should be applied to those two articles (obviously I have the opposite position). What I believe this is a better illustrator of, though, to be frank, is that your position on this is not consonant with typical practice on BPD or BLP.
- To my mind, you seem to be suggesting that medical records, or reporting on medical records, is necessary whereas I don't see that anywhere in BLP. It's the same as an allegation. BLP explicitly doesn't require an allegation to be proved true, only that it's been reported in reliable sources. NYT reported that his death is being "investigated" as a drug overdose. CNN reported other details regarding drug items found in his apartment. These sources should satisfy BLP because, although the information is inferential, presumably it's good information because of the quality of these sources. Concerns about BLP (accuracy, thoroughness) are met because we can trust these sources to be accurate and thorough. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Wikieditor19920, I'm not talking about the other situation. I don't know about it and you can get another admin's opinion on it if you want. I'm telling you that BDP is a strict policy, there's another admin in this section that agreed with how I applied it. "Possible drug overdose" is what NYT says and that does not pass BDP. Now take it up on BLP/N if you want to. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- You keep insisting BDP is a "strict" policy and this "clearly violates BLP/BDP. Can we be clear about what that policy says?
In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out.
- What the NYT reported, quote, was
The death is being investigated as a possible drug overdose, the police said, and the city’s medical examiner was to determine the cause.
. - These are facts relevant to the death, reported in multiple reliable source. What specifically is the BDP issue here, then? Because the way you are rev-deleting prior page versions, basically serially reverting, and refusing to engage on the talk page, it's suggesting to other editors that we cannot even discuss this, which is clearly not the case. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 04:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- I've opened a threat at WP:BLPN seeking clarification on if inclusion of this information is permitted under the policies cited above. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 06:49, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Wikieditor19920, I'm not talking about the other situation. I don't know about it and you can get another admin's opinion on it if you want. I'm telling you that BDP is a strict policy, there's another admin in this section that agreed with how I applied it. "Possible drug overdose" is what NYT says and that does not pass BDP. Now take it up on BLP/N if you want to. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Wikieditor19920, what I see on Williams is a BDP violation until it's confirmed by an autopsy. As for the others, you're raising good points. Has anyone confirmed that it was an overdose? I don't know what the sourcing is for it. If you want to take that up, this should be discussed on WP:BLP/N. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Wikieditor19920, I don't know of those people, I was not on their pages, I am not familiar with their circumstances. What I am clear on is that we don't know enough to add anything to Williams' page and it is absolutely a BDP violation. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keith McCants, Kate Quigley. Two notable individuals who suffered from a reported drug overdose in the past week according to credible news reports. McCants is deceased; Quigley survived. Neither prompted the attention of an administrator to repeatedly revert this information out of the article or rev-del the page history. Why are you not zealously imposing such restrictions on these pages? Wikieditor19920 (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- I count maybe five(?) reverts from you in the last 24 hours on this. These are not covered by the BLP exception if the editor provided a source such as the NYT or LA Times or CNN, but it is not immediately clear because you rev-deleted the page. You are crossing the line here, Muboshgu. Numerous pages concerning high-profile deaths due to drugs did not delay including the information, and did so as soon as it was available in reliable sources. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 18:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- You should not be rev-deleting additions that include sources like the New York Times and CNN. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
accusation of vandalism
Care to explain how my last edit constitute vandalism? genuinely curious — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapras2003b (talk • contribs) 17:11, September 8, 2021 (UTC)
- @Lapras2003b: you don't see how removing references and changing
was a matter of concern at the highest level of national security within the United States government, in addition to the computer and social media industries
tois a xenophobic conspiracy theory
is vandalism? Seriously? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:20, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Ted Lieu
Hi. You deleted my first post regarding Candace Owens and Ted Lieu. I added a citation for you. Thank you for allowing me todo this. Dvany03 (talk) 19:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- Dvany03, you are adding original research in a manner that adds your point of view. Please stop. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:10, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Ted Lieu
Hi, Can you please tell me exactly how this is disruptive editing? I was able to state the facts and then back it up with video evidence, so I am confused why you took down the second edit. I looked through the wiki policies and procedures, and my evidence was real, uncut and from the source that originally produced the video, so why is this not going to stay up? This isn’t an opinion, it is a fact.
Thank you, Dvany03 (talk) 19:38, 10 September 2021 (UTC) Diane
DYK for Tyler Gilbert
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DYK for Cack Henley
On 13 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cack Henley, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Cack Henley threw the longest complete game shutout in professional baseball history? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cack Henley. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cack Henley), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Prod tag
Hello, Muboshgu,
There is an article, You Better Believe It, that was PROD'd yesterday. On the tag, there is a big, bright message stating that the PROD is invalid because it was the subject of an AFD. But when I looked at the previous AFD, it was for a blog and the article now is about a musical album, same name, different subjects. Since I noticed that you frequently handle PRODs, I was wondering if anything needed to be done about this. I can't find a way to remove the warning message but since the only thing in common between the two things is the name, I assume the PROD is still valid.
So, what do you think, just leave it be? Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 20:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, my interpretation is that it was a different article that happens to have the same name, and therefore is eligible for PROD, as it was a different subject that went to AFD. I'm not sure if that's the right interpretation, but I think it is. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- That's what I thought, thanks for the confirmation, but I was looking for a way to remove the garish warning message. I guess we just live with it and make sure some well-meaning editor doesn't remove it on the basis of that AFD. These checks and balances work great 95% of the time but it's impossible to change their results when they mess up. Liz Read! Talk! 02:30, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, the article on the conservative weblog that was deleted 15 years ago is definitely not the same article as an Xzibit compilation album. The warning is a good reminder to check the deleted edits but shouldn't stop us from deleting this page. The question is, what if it's a different article on the same subject? Can that be deleted by PROD both times? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- That's what I thought, thanks for the confirmation, but I was looking for a way to remove the garish warning message. I guess we just live with it and make sure some well-meaning editor doesn't remove it on the basis of that AFD. These checks and balances work great 95% of the time but it's impossible to change their results when they mess up. Liz Read! Talk! 02:30, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Request for undeletion a page
Draft:Brij Kishore Sharma I want to know does this subject is notable or not as references which is given — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajnandgaon, Chhattisgarh (talk • contribs) 10:48, September 15, 2021 (UTC)
- @Rajnandgaon, Chhattisgarh: I have no opinion on the notability of the draft. I didn't look at it. I looked at the fact that it has been deleted many times in accordance with WP:CSD#G5 and for that reason and that reason alone I rejected your request to undelete it. I have to wonder if you are the same person that was behind User:HARSH VARDHAN SHARMA "TARA", in which case this account should be blocked as it is against the rules to abuse multiple accounts. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Carole Weyers
Hi Muboshgu, I'm writing to you about Carole Weyers' page, a Belgium actress that have an international carreer, that you deleted on March 2020 because of no reliable sources present in the article. For her French wikipedia, I found these sources : Le Parisien, Le Figaro, Gala, Moustique, Telestar, Premiere, Teleloisirs, Sudradio, Le soir. Do you think that her English page can be valid and resettled with these sources? Best regards, Isacre (talk) 10:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
- Isacre, since Carole Weyers was deleted via WP:BLPPROD, I will undelete it for you now. Be sure to add those references or it will be deleted again in seven days via BLPPROD. You can remove the tag once you've added at least one reference. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks so much Muboshgu. Isacre (talk) 16:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Larry Elder gorilla mask
I'm trying to understand what addition information you believe would be needed to characterize the gorilla mask incidence as racist? The African/non-human primate trope is well known (I assume you don't dispute that), and multiple reliable sources have reported on the incident. There's even video. Short of the woman herself proclaiming her intent was racist, what sort of supporting information do you believe is sufficient to call it racist? 2601:18F:4101:4830:F886:2905:1DC1:5771 (talk) 21:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- It would need be characterized as "racist" by reliable sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
So if a writer at the NYT, or WPost declared it was racist that would make it racist? Would you feel differently if the woman wore a Klan outfit instead of just a gorilla mask? 2601:18F:4101:4830:F886:2905:1DC1:5771 (talk) 22:57, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
I'll continue this on the Larry Elder page, perhaps that is the more appropriate venue. 24.63.16.140 (talk) 23:08, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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PRODS-a-palooza
Hello, Muboshgu,
I know one of your regular activities is evaluating PRODs and I wanted to alert you that tomorrow there are 129 coming due, most around the hour of 17:00 UTC. I noticed this was going to happen last week and have since asked the editor, Elli, to please try and not to tag so many at once since they have to be examined individually. Recently, we've had about 15-40 PRODs a day so this is a huge increase. Of course, they can be handled after their expiration time which is what will probably happen but if you have any admin talk page stalkers, maybe they could offer a hand as well. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 23:44, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, there are admins lurking around here, I believe. I'll help out if I'm around. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Pablo Fernández
Hello, Muboshgu! When you get a chance, can you delete redirect Pablo Fernández (baseball) g-6 & move Pablo Fernández (1920s pitcher) to that title per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (baseball players) #1? Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 20:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Bison X,
Done – Muboshgu (talk) 21:32, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Arg, I forgot to mention to move the talk page, too. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 21:44, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Bison X, it should've done that automatically, but I'll do it now. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- I've requested a few {{db-move}}s the last week & I've found that the talk page isn't done automatically. I've had to go back & add the move template to the talk page, too. Maybe one of the admin buttons can be modified? IDK. Anyway, all's well & thanks. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 22:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Bison X, something might be broken somewhere in the software. Np. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- I've requested a few {{db-move}}s the last week & I've found that the talk page isn't done automatically. I've had to go back & add the move template to the talk page, too. Maybe one of the admin buttons can be modified? IDK. Anyway, all's well & thanks. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 22:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Bison X, it should've done that automatically, but I'll do it now. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Arg, I forgot to mention to move the talk page, too. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 21:44, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
articles of creation/chronogenetics
Hi, i saw your undeletion but could not find the article to edit . Can you send me the link. Thank you. Earthoceans (talk) 07:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Earthoceans, I undeleted it and it was moved to Draft:Chronogenetics, but it appears that it was deleted again. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC) WELL THAT WAS QUICK ! lol is it possible to try again ?
Your draft article, Draft:Lisa Scheller
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Lebron James
Hello Muboshgu,
Recently you have reverted my addition to the Lebron James page. However, I sincerely disagree with your actions. The comments I added on Lebron James are indeed factual. I was adding a respected source to my findings when you reverted my addition. I hope you can add this addition back or we can work something out.
Sincerely, Wokboi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wokboi (talk • contribs) 01:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
accusation of vandalism
Care to explain how? I know. Mubogshu is just irritating like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wokboi (talk • contribs) 23:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Ray Fosse
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James S. C. Chao
Thank you for your feedback. I understand the headline but the article doesn't seem to fully support that. I just searched for other articles but they all are copies of the reliable sourced used. I guess you're saying in order to include those facts the article can't imply different? --Quinn37 (talk) 22:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Quinn37, the sources say that the DOT IG found she acted
in potential violation of federal ethics laws
per NPR (I'm out of free views of NYT for the month). The DOT IG referred it to the DOJ, which opted not to pursue the matter. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:54, 14 October 2021 (UTC)- Thanks, I'm out of free views for NYT and WaPO myself. I found a not blurry photo, can you share your reasoning for that removal?--Quinn37 (talk) 22:59, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Quinn37, that image was taken from this site, which says at the bottom "©2017 The Foremost Foundation- All Rights Reserved", We can't use copyrighted material on Wikipedia without a license or in fair use cases, which this is not. See Wikipedia:Copyrights and Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria for more info. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'm out of free views for NYT and WaPO myself. I found a not blurry photo, can you share your reasoning for that removal?--Quinn37 (talk) 22:59, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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This user is auto-deleting posts because they add a new heading (alleging "consensus" on the talk page is required to add a new heading). Is this allowed on wikipedia? Thanks
This user is auto-deleting posts (edit-warring). Is this allowed for anyone, let alone an administrator? Beautifulcalmdriving (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- If they keep auto-deleting posts for reasons that don't follow wikipedia's rules, can they be banned? Also how would I tag them for edit-warring? Thanks all Beautifulcalmdriving (talk) 20:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)As you have already been instructed, the issue is not adding a header, the issue is adding a fat wad of new content without discussing it on the talk page of the article. Your refusal to address the issue on the article's talk page comes much closer to edit warring than what Muboshgu is doing. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- No, this user specifically cited the use of a header as being the problem, NOT the content of the edit, and has proceeded to delete any content I've added WITHOUT consensus. From everything I can see, Muboshgu is an awful, combative power-tripping user who should be promptly banned. Beautifulcalmdriving (talk) 03:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- (Anyone who's reading this, kindly let me know how I can tag muboshgu for edit-warring plus report them) Thanks Beautifulcalmdriving (talk) 03:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Drop the personal attacks and be civil. Muboshgu is not edit warring. They are discussing the content at Talk:Kyrsten Sinema as Wikipedia contributors are expected to do. You should discuss the content dispute there. Focus on discussing content, rather than criticizing other contributors. It doesn’t matter if your content is correct if you can’t collaborate constructively with other editors. Politanvm talk 04:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- These aren't "personal attacks", these are valid criticisms of the actions Muboshgu has chosen to take, sadly for all of us, actions I'm sure you're aware of if you've actually looked at the history of what they've done. Please do not comment if you don't know the context of the discussion. Muboshgu is uniliterally and IMMEDIATELY deleting any edit I do, in multiple separate instances with invalid reasons such as "cannot add a header", which is false under wiki policy. Muboshgu has repeatedly proven to be an awful, power-tripping user over and over again, and they're undoubtedly still running rampant unilaterally ruining pages all across this website, to the detriment of everyone. I hope Muboshgu, and anyone who defends their awful actions gets blocked, banned, deleted, and whatever other disciplinary actions are available as soon as possible for the sake of the health of this website. Beautifulcalmdriving (talk) 04:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Drop the personal attacks and be civil. Muboshgu is not edit warring. They are discussing the content at Talk:Kyrsten Sinema as Wikipedia contributors are expected to do. You should discuss the content dispute there. Focus on discussing content, rather than criticizing other contributors. It doesn’t matter if your content is correct if you can’t collaborate constructively with other editors. Politanvm talk 04:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- (Anyone who's reading this, kindly let me know how I can tag muboshgu for edit-warring plus report them) Thanks Beautifulcalmdriving (talk) 03:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Beautifulcalmdriving, see your talk page and follow the advice there. -- Valjean (talk) 04:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- See and follow my advice to stop defending an awful, power-tripping user who is not following wikipedia policy. Thanks! Beautifulcalmdriving (talk) 04:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
I see your removed my addition about Walton's apology. This was front page news in Buffalo: [3][4]. This candidate is running for an elected office. Why did you remove it? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Magnolia677, I told you, WP:BRD. I'm also inclined to agree with the two linked reasons given by Wugapodes. This discussion belongs on Talk:India Walton. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Tutor Needed
I could do with alot of tips.. Josiah Eson Lewa (talk) 13:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Josiah Eson Lewa, with what, specifically? If it's something I can help with, I'll do my best. There's also the Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user program where you can find a mentor to "adopt" you. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Its just the basics really. I put out a biography & it hasnt been approved for over 3years. So how can i really start new articles that can be approved?
Other part is: Can you give us short tutorials on a Whatsapp group? Thanks Josiah Eson Lewa (talk) 18:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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I fully understand and appreciate that there should not be any empty sections in an article. Had you given me another couple of minutes before reverting my edit, I would have happily filled in the section with multiple legitimate sources I had been compiling. GhostDust (talk) 18:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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Oakland A's
I was wondering if you think it is potentially worth your time to put in some protections in place on the 2022 Oakland Athletics season page since the Bob Melvin news is not quite official yet. There are people who are trying to change it but isn't the rule of thumb to wait until an official word comes in from either club? GoWarriors151718 (talk) 03:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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Bob Melvin
You sir are a joke. Here is the source on Bob melvin. ESPN MLB and Twitter all have stated that he has signed with the San Diego Padres or has agreed to the job. [2]Jarmusic23 (talk) 03:50, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Jarmusic23: There was a reversion edit done by this person (Muboshgu) that said "source says" is not confirmation. I am also pretty sure that the unwritten protocol with MLB edits of any kind is to wait until the team or teams involved officially announce the moves or hires. The Padres have yet to announce the move officially. I know this was directed at Muboshgu but as a fellow editor of MLB pages, I feel like I want to defend him/her to you because they helped set a precedent as an administrator on when it is okay to edit these baseball pages with moves and hirings. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 05:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
- Jarmusic23, MLB.com from an hour ago says
The team has not announced the signing, but the move is expected to be finalized in the next day or two.
We are not a news site. We don't do WP:BREAKING news. We are an encyclopedia. Also, we assume good faith about other editors and don't make personal attacks. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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I was on my way here to ask if you could semi the article, but you beat me to it! Thanks. They've been keeping you busy tonight. Keep up the good work. BilCat (talk) 02:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- BilCat, thanks for your help. It's a team effort. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- No problem. You've already given User:WaterflameIsAwesome a final warning, so check out this diff. (He's going to jinx the Braves!) Thanks. BilCat (talk) 03:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- BilCat, see? Good example, I hadn't seen that one yet. 31 hours time out. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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Huh
What are you adminning for--don't you have a baseball game to watch? Or is it already over? Drmies (talk) 02:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, lol. That means PLAYER X is PLAYER Y's daddy vandalism. And I'm a New York Yankees fan. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, they can't change the owner parameter on the main Braves and Astros pages because they've been protected for a few weeks, so what else is there to do if you're a 12-year-old?! BilCat (talk) 03:19, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- I've never really understood fandom. I mean, that one would support the Crimson Tide and Ajax makes perfect sense, but what is there in other teams/sports to admire? Anyway, I watched a bit of it, until the fourth inning or so, but every time someone hit a ball and the camera panned out to show that stadium, I was reminded of the stink about Atlanta not wanting to chip in three or four hundred million dollars to sponsor that private enterprise... Granted, football stadiums are even worse when it comes to waste--Bryant-Denny has, what, seven games a year, and I don't even think they rent it out for weddings (unless your name is Saban, maybe?). Drmies (talk) 13:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ajax?... Tiderolls 14:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Tide, doe jij effe normaal, zeg: de godenzonen! Drmies (talk) 16:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank God for Google translate. Tiderolls 16:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Tide, doe jij effe normaal, zeg: de godenzonen! Drmies (talk) 16:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ajax?... Tiderolls 14:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Drmies and Tide rolls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WSD6Y2YWj4 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
WikiCup 2021 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year and the finalists can relax! Our Champion this year is The Rambling Man (submissions), who amassed over 5000 points in the final round, achieving 8 featured articles and almost 500 reviews. It was a very competitive round; seven of the finalists achieved over 1000 points in the round (enough to win the 2019 contest), and three scored over 3000 (enough to win the 2020 event). Our 2021 finalists and their scores were:
The Rambling Man (submissions) with 5072 points
Lee Vilenski (submissions) with 3276 points
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Where there redirects deleted as well?
You deleted Rites of Spring Music Festival and I am wondering if there were redirects to the article that you or someone else deleted. Sikonmina (talk) 17:24, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Sikonmina, according to this, there do not appear to be any existing redirects. I did not delete any. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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Óscar De La Cruz:
Can you also delete Óscar De La Cruz?-- Yankees10 01:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yankees10, Done – Muboshgu (talk) 01:48, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Bob Feller Act of Valor Award Edits
Hello Muboshgu,
Hope all is well. I work for the Bob Feller Act of Valor Award Foundation as an intern and have been tasked with maintaining upkeep of our Wikipedia page. I have been seeking to include a reference on our award winners and 37 Hall of Fame awardees wiki pages under the Career highlights and awards sections of their respective pages. I notice you have reverted a lot of them and am curious what your advice would be to ensure that these edits are okay to be made to their pages. If you have any advice on how to properly do so I am open to advice and constructive criticism.
Regards, Blschmida (talk) 23:20, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- Blschmida, thank you for declaring your conflict of interest. The player style advice that you edited was determined by WP:CONSENSUS of baseball-related editors, so you can't change that unilaterally. The consensus is that the Bob Feller Act of Valor Award does not belong in the infobox of the winner's article. It can be listed in the prose in the appropriate place, with a citation for verification. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Kushner family
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Since the other discussion was marked closed
Hello.
I meant to say thank you for the info on the use of "transgendered." Noted.
Regarding common names and page titles, it really does feel as though we have perplexingly inconsistent treatment across the project. It occurred to me when revisiting redirects such as heart attack and Zoloft. Maybe there's some esoteric exception for medical terms, who knows. :-)
But what really boggles my mind is that the user interface here now says "watch this page [ permanent ]" instead of "permanently". --MZMcBride (talk) 22:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- MZMcBride, glad to help re terminology. As far as the medical items go, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles does lay out different rules for article titles. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:39, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
Really disappointed with you as an administrator
So because I'm having an issue with one person, or probably another one, that is undoing my edits for no reasonalbe grounds, I'm subject to being blocked despite my genuine and honest contributions. I doubt you even went through my comment above, to come and be threatening me like this. Anyway I'm just trying to contribute to society, so please don't threaten me, OK. All I have been doing is help. You can even go through my edit history and even on Commons and see how much I have contributed here. I'm just really disappointed, especially the way you handlle issues as an administrator. Hassanjalloh1 (talk) 18:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hassanjalloh1, you are subject to being blocked for edit warring. Edit warring is unacceptable even if your contributions are "genuine and honest", even if you are trying to help. You in fact violated the three revert rule on Julius Maada Bio and I can block you for that. Ask any other admin and I'm sure they'll tell you that I've been kind and generous to you given your behavior today. Keep engaged in discussion and if consensus tells you not to do what you're doing, respect it. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
I understand all this, and I posted a lengthy explanation to justify my edits - I doubt you even read through it. But I don't have much to say anymore. You're the administrator here... Hassanjalloh1 (talk) 18:18, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hassanjalloh1, I read it. I understand your point of view, though I personally do not have an opinion on the inclusion of the seals. I appreciate that you're communicating with other editors. Maybe you can reach an understanding with them. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:32, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm glad you try to understand my point of view. I was never doing it because I thought it was fashionable. My reasons were genuine. I did it, I tested it and it worked, and then I decided to apply it across, then one editor took it as "spamming". Like I said, I don't have much to do about it, because it was just one person, or probably two, that was actually undoing all my edits throughout. It was not like many people where againast it. Well sometimes you just try as best as you can. Thanks for the concern. Hassanjalloh1 (talk) 18:43, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Please restore as a challenged prod. I believe production of this continued rdessignated as the CNNA HL-1 but I'm still looking into it. It has entries in several Brazilian aviation encyclopaedias. SpinningSpark 21:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Spinningspark, Done Please add some sources. It could be nominated for deletion. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Question about sourcing for you
I included three RS explicitly describing Paul Gosar as "far right," but Bill Williams produced ten RS that do not explicitly describe Gosar as such. Is that lack of a descriptor considered the same as saying he's not "far right," and thus the ten sources prevail and the three sources should be removed? Or should the ten RS be treated as silent and neutral on the issue, and the three RS should remain? If 1000 sources don't mention Biden is a moderate Democrat for every one that does, should we not call him a moderate Democrat? soibangla (talk) 21:54, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Soibangla, I don't think that the omission of the label is evidence that he doesn't meet the label. It may be better to focus on why he's been referred to as far-right than worry too much about the label. Could also be a good question for WP:BLP/N. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Soibangla decided to use OR[5] to call 45 Republican representatives far-right when that is not what most reliable sources generally refer to them as, then he called me wrong[6] instead of providing further evidence, after which he virtually laughed at me[7] instead of actually discussing it on the talk page with me. I am not saying that he is not far-right, but putting it a few words into the article implies it is a significant portion of what is used to describe him, which it is not, only being occasionally used. It could go further in the body but certainly not a few words into the lead. Bill Williams 22:25, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't raise this issue to gripe and snipe with you. Please reconsider the tone of your comment. This played out exactly as I figured it might when I opted to loop you in with this rather than asking a generic hypothetical. If I wanted to engage complaints about you, I'd come to your Talk page. soibangla (talk) 22:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- You called me wrong and then laughed at me... Bill Williams 23:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Bill Williams, in case you two can't come to an agreement, then I definitely recommend discussing it at BLP/N, especially since its an issue that goes beyond Gosar's page. Terms like "far left" and "far right" can be applied to many biographies. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:13, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I wanted to bounce it off you just to get an initial take on it to see if it warrants a wider discussion. I think I'll take to BLP/N. soibangla (talk) 23:19, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I agree, I have stated before that according to soibangla's logic, some reliable sources calling The Squad "far-left" would mean they have that in their leads, which would be undue considering it isn't even in the body of the articles. Bill Williams 23:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- A discussion on BLP/N could be helpful though, thanks for the advice. Bill Williams 23:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Good discussion so far. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- A discussion on BLP/N could be helpful though, thanks for the advice. Bill Williams 23:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't raise this issue to gripe and snipe with you. Please reconsider the tone of your comment. This played out exactly as I figured it might when I opted to loop you in with this rather than asking a generic hypothetical. If I wanted to engage complaints about you, I'd come to your Talk page. soibangla (talk) 22:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Soibangla decided to use OR[5] to call 45 Republican representatives far-right when that is not what most reliable sources generally refer to them as, then he called me wrong[6] instead of providing further evidence, after which he virtually laughed at me[7] instead of actually discussing it on the talk page with me. I am not saying that he is not far-right, but putting it a few words into the article implies it is a significant portion of what is used to describe him, which it is not, only being occasionally used. It could go further in the body but certainly not a few words into the lead. Bill Williams 22:25, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Deleted pages to drafts
Regarding your view that moving a page post-AfD to draftspace would need the AfD closure to mention draftify, is that your personal preference, or is it standard practice? Jay (talk) 18:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Jay, it's my standard practice, though probably more from personal preference. I see it as, in the worst case scenario, an attempt to get around a deletion decision. Though surely many such editors making these requests do want to make good faith improvements. When in doubt, ask the deleting admin their thoughts. I'll do that. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I did not act on Pathan (film) yet. I haven't done a move to draftspace before, and have asked for advice at User_talk:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js#Move_deleted_article_to_draft. Jay (talk) 10:29, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Jay, I can do it. The easiest way is to restore it and then move it to draft space without leaving a redirect. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Assassination of Malcolm X
Hello, Muboshgu. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Assassination of Malcolm X".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 20:46, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Muboshgu,
- It feels very strange leaving you one of these Twinkle messages. But if you feel like reviving this draft, you know what to do! Stay well. Liz Read! Talk! 20:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I went ahead and restored it. It seems obvious that we should have an article on this, as there is substantial coverage specifically directed to the event. BD2412 T 21:07, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz and BD2412:, I recall at one point suggesting on Talk:Malcolm X that the topic should probably be spun out to its own article, but got no traction there and I just sort of let the idea go. And don't worry, I don't mind the Twinkle messages. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I probably just should have gone ahead and postponed it myself but sometimes these messages can serve the purpose of reminding page creators that drafts are still out there. It is easy to be busy with regular activities and forget about a page you worked on months ago. As someone who spends much of the day looking at stale drafts, this one was in better shape that 99.99% of the ones I normally see. Liz Read! Talk! 22:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, I can't take too much credit for it, a lot of it was copy/pasted from Malcolm X#Assassination. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:14, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- This turned out to be amazingly timely! BD2412 T 20:05, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- BD2412, I know! I saw that article come out and I wondered if you had some inside knowledge it was coming! It really was just a coincidence given the six month timing for G13. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yep. Eerie timing. BD2412 T 20:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- BD2412, I know! I saw that article come out and I wondered if you had some inside knowledge it was coming! It really was just a coincidence given the six month timing for G13. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- This turned out to be amazingly timely! BD2412 T 20:05, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, I can't take too much credit for it, a lot of it was copy/pasted from Malcolm X#Assassination. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:14, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I probably just should have gone ahead and postponed it myself but sometimes these messages can serve the purpose of reminding page creators that drafts are still out there. It is easy to be busy with regular activities and forget about a page you worked on months ago. As someone who spends much of the day looking at stale drafts, this one was in better shape that 99.99% of the ones I normally see. Liz Read! Talk! 22:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz and BD2412:, I recall at one point suggesting on Talk:Malcolm X that the topic should probably be spun out to its own article, but got no traction there and I just sort of let the idea go. And don't worry, I don't mind the Twinkle messages. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I went ahead and restored it. It seems obvious that we should have an article on this, as there is substantial coverage specifically directed to the event. BD2412 T 21:07, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Yup, very eerie. I saw this pop up in my watchlist yesterday, and didn't pay any attention to it, then heard about the exonerations today and thought, huh? So I had to look here again, and saw it was coincidental. But it was very prescient that an article was ready to go. And people say Wikipedia is irrelevant. Pshah! We're on the cutting edge! BilCat (talk) 21:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Julio Lugo
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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:2021 world weries
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- Just noticed, why did these notices go here? To an admin's talk page? - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 07:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- AssumeGoodWraith, is there a way to opt out of them? I don't really care. They're usually useful info. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:49, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Now that I checked, I think Twinkle sent the template to you because you moved it back. I don’t think there’s a way to opt out, but I could just simply not send the templates. - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 23:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- AssumeGoodWraith, is there a way to opt out of them? I don't really care. They're usually useful info. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:49, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Bots and false
I wonder if a bot could be tasked with guarding key words like false, etc.? -- Valjean (talk) 06:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Yankees
After how many years on this thing and I still don't know how to add someone to the 40 man who doesn't have their own wiki page and have it redirect to their blurb on the minor league players page. I got all the ex-Yanks off the page but the new 40-man guys will need adding and that's where I am stuck. Kjscotte34 (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- Kjscotte34, check out https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donny_Sands&redirect=no as an example of how to make it redirect to the section. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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About Steven Matz
That sources was correct on Steven Matz article so you didn't review it on news well if you don't believe us here's the information on news obviously we didn't lie we were telling the truth that he sign with the cardinals. [8] [9] 172.58.224.150 (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- The St. Louis Post-Dispatch in an article from three hours ago[10] says
The deal will be finalized after Thanksgiving pending a physical scheduled for this weekend.
What's so hard to understand about the fact that the deal isn't finalized yet, and that if he fails a physical, it won't be? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
So we'll see then cause it's a mystery? 172.58.224.150 (talk) 21:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't understand the question. Matz and the Cardinals are reportedly in agreement on a contract, though neither side has confirmed this. If he passes the physical, the signing will become official and we'll change the page to reflect it. If he doesn't, we'll see what happens. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:56, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Disrespect
It has been confirmed that Semien signed with the Rangers. Please dont be disrespectful by deleting my work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyEdwards4MVP (talk • contribs) 22:15, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- @AnthonyEdwards4MVP: No such thing has been confirmed by the team or the player. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
@muboshgu THE MLB HAS CONFIRMED!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyEdwards4MVP (talk • contribs) 14:34, November 28, 2021 (UTC)
- @AnthonyEdwards4MVP: No, it hasn't. MLB.com has an article that says, among other things,
The club has not confirmed the deal.
So, we don't display him as a Texas Ranger for the time being. And please sign your talk page posts by putting four tildes, like ~~~~. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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User:Mrtarkin
You reverted one of their recent edits at Bill Clinton; I've recently reverted another, and they've now made a third similar POV-pushing change (the text is totally different in each case). This is pretty much in keeping with all of their other edits, which are either completely pointless additions of section-headings or POV-pushing. (I've reverted a large number of their edits at other pages, as well.) Advice on how to proceed would be welcome. --JBL (talk) 22:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- JayBeeEll, I was thinking about that myself. I think we should first try to engage this user and see if they're communicative. If so, we can hopefully work it out. If not, best bet is probably an AN/I thread and a potential NOTHERE block. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, they have never edited a talk-page (user or article); their last edit came 2 minutes after I left a level-1 NPOV warning on their talk-page. So let's see. --JBL (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- JayBeeEll, we gotta try. I've been surprised before. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm, do you think this could be a Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Therazzors/Archive sock? --JBL (talk) 17:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- JayBeeEll, we gotta try. I've been surprised before. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, they have never edited a talk-page (user or article); their last edit came 2 minutes after I left a level-1 NPOV warning on their talk-page. So let's see. --JBL (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Not that I really care about baseball articles, but I did it for the principle of it, you know. Roll Tide! Drmies (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Go Dawgs! :) BilCat (talk) 22:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Pfff. Y'all won everything already. Leave something for us. Drmies (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- How many national championships does the Tide have in the last decade? Let have a shot at this one! :) BilCat (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Look, you had a chance in 2018. (The Georgia game I remember best is that SEC championship when y'all just ran out of time...) And if I go back through all the championship games of the last decade and a half, there's a whole bunch of em that Alabama didn't win. Like, two or three, and that's just not fair. Booo! Drmies (talk) 00:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- How many national championships does the Tide have in the last decade? Let have a shot at this one! :) BilCat (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- BilCat, dawgs? Which dawgs? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies knew who I meant: Georgia Bulldogs football!! BilCat (talk) 00:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Pfff. Y'all won everything already. Leave something for us. Drmies (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Go Dawgs! :) BilCat (talk) 22:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, admit it, you've been refreshing https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ every minute or so just like I have been. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- BTW, Alabama Crimson Tide baseball is a thing, too. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah I certainly have, haha. No, I really could not care less, sorry! And I'm barely interested in Alabama basketball, never mind baseball... My oldest daughter is dating a baseball player AND he's an Auburn fan. Grrr. Drmies (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hey, since we're all being Americans here, do you think there's anything to NOlympics LA, or should we return it to a redirect? Drmies (talk) 01:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
You are mistaken
This is from the detroit news. please stop reverting the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChooseCommonSense (talk • contribs) 18:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- ChooseCommonSense, did you read the article? It says, emphasis added by me,
The Tigers early Tuesday morning scored a massive upgrade at the shortstop position when they reached an agreement with Baez on a six-year, $140 million deal, pending medicals.
It's pending. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)- Ah hot stove season... when the trolls come out in earnest... gotta love it. Spanneraol (talk) 18:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Spanneraol, especially when a lockout compresses it all in the last few days of the CBA. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ah hot stove season... when the trolls come out in earnest... gotta love it. Spanneraol (talk) 18:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Why did you revert yet again, when the words "pending medicals" was added to the body of the text. That is factually correct with the latest information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChooseCommonSense (talk • contribs) 18:57, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a WP:BREAKING news site. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for LaMarr Hoyt
On 2 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article LaMarr Hoyt, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 06:00, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
DYK hook
Per this Chicago Sun-Times article, now linked in the relevant Wiki entry, the $1.4 billion in contract signings yesterday was an MLB record – could be a good hook for the DYK entry if slightly rephrased. I'm trying not to be too hung up on the ITN response. "It's too early" is fine, "Nobody cares about baseball" is not. — GhostRiver 18:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- GhostRiver, ITN contributors can get picky about what they think is "ITN" and what isn't. DYK will still showcase the article, and we could nominate the lockout article at ITN again if there are significant developments. Adding that it's a record could make a great hook, feel free to revise them. I'm going to add another alt hook about the Rule 5 draft being postponed, meaning it may not happen for the first time since 1920. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Jerry Mumphrey
You actually think the current article is better than the vastly expanded article I did? OK. This is why I don't bother editing on Wikipedia anymore.Johnny Spasm (talk) 10:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Johnny Spasm, edit summaries do not allow for the conveyance of all information, and by no means is that article in any completed state. I read through what the article was and I saw a lot of detail that didn't directly relate to Mumphrey, and some language that I thought was subjective and distracting. I readded some of the text you added and do plan on getting back to that article. I can provide you with some specific examples if you like. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Don't bother. I don't edit on wikipedia much anymore. Jerry Mumphrey's article is a perfect example of why.Johnny Spasm (talk) 02:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- The article before it was reverted was sloppy. I checked just two references and both were inaccurately used. One of which was a quote attributed to Dallas Green in quotation marks and the reference had no such thing. That's good editing?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Johnny Spasm, I was meaning to come back to this to point out specifics so you know that there is good reason for the reversion, not whatever personal offense you're taking this as. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Jerry Mumphrey isn't an isolated instance. I have found similar problems in SP's edits to Bobby Floyd, Tom Underwood, and Charley Smith at least. When an editor regularly puts into an article something referenced and the reference doesn't verify the info, I begin to question every reference done by that editor. I've encountered Mumphrey like edits in SP's work on at least a half dozen occasions. Honestly this is a problem Wikipedia-wide. I had this discussion[11] with an administrator last year because of what I am finding....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:27, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- WilliamJE, I hadn't seen that talk with Deepfriedokra but I did read User_talk:Johnny_Spasm#A_whole_boatload_of_issues as I was reading Mumphrey's page and I agree with you 100%. I hadn't checked the references fully. I was seeing things like
After going 0-for his first-11, Mumphrey put together a modest eight game hitting streak. Playing the San Francisco Giants on July 6, Mumphrey went 4-for-5 with three runs and an RBI.[5] The next day, Giants pitcher John Montefusco faked a throw to third, and spun around to pick Mumphrey off first base. Instead of being tagged out, Mumphrey got in a rundown, allowing Mike Tyson to score from third. Mumphrey was also safe at second.[6]
and was questioning why we would have two sentences on an eight-game hitting streak, and then two sentences on a routine rundown. That's on top of the unencyclopedic language likeHe returned to his table setting catalyst ways
. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- WilliamJE, I hadn't seen that talk with Deepfriedokra but I did read User_talk:Johnny_Spasm#A_whole_boatload_of_issues as I was reading Mumphrey's page and I agree with you 100%. I hadn't checked the references fully. I was seeing things like
- Jerry Mumphrey isn't an isolated instance. I have found similar problems in SP's edits to Bobby Floyd, Tom Underwood, and Charley Smith at least. When an editor regularly puts into an article something referenced and the reference doesn't verify the info, I begin to question every reference done by that editor. I've encountered Mumphrey like edits in SP's work on at least a half dozen occasions. Honestly this is a problem Wikipedia-wide. I had this discussion[11] with an administrator last year because of what I am finding....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:27, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Don't bother. I don't edit on wikipedia much anymore. Jerry Mumphrey's article is a perfect example of why.Johnny Spasm (talk) 02:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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Dan Lanning
Hello I was just requesting your assistance on the Dan Lanning wiki page as there is a large level of BLP vandalism and the page needs protection. Thank you. Shadowbreath15789 (talk) 04:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Shadowbreath15789, hi. I'm only now seeing this message. If there is BLP vandalism on a page, your best bet is to report it to the appropriate noticeboard, like WP:AIV or WP:BLP/N. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Template or manual?
Hi, I was leaving a warning on an editor's page and noticed your warning last February. It caught my attention because "premature information about a sports transaction" happens so frequently. Is there a UW template for that, or did you just write that message? Schazjmd (talk) 15:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Schazjmd, yes, it's a template: See {{uw-sportstrans}}. Be sure to subst it! – Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! This will come in handy. Schazjmd (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- It sure does. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! This will come in handy. Schazjmd (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Blocked
If my political edits vandalize Wikipedia again for any reason, is there any way I can be blocked from just simply editing political articles?? Because I do enjoy editing and correcting typos for movies and actor filmography sections. I'm not saying I'll vandalize again on purpose or anything, just in case I step out of line. Lostfan333 (talk) 20:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Lostfan333, you can correct typos on whatever pages. You can even edit in American politics articles, but if you can't help yourself from deleting sourced content with no explanation, making unsourced additions to a highly sensitive BLP, and using negative labels against a living person for whoever it was against, we should probably ban you from the topic. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
I guess I'll only edit on Talk Pages for political articles then if I plan to edit anything. Is that okay?? I'm sorry. Lostfan333 (talk) 20:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Okay. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you so much. You have no idea how happy I am that you always check my edits. If it were someone else, I'd probably already be blocked. Again, thank you. Lostfan333 (talk) 20:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
DYK nomination of 2021 Major League Baseball lockout
Hello! Your submission of 2021 Major League Baseball lockout at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Cbl62 (talk) 02:34, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – December 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2021).
Administrator changes
Technical news
- Unregistered editors using the mobile website are now able to receive notices to indicate they have talk page messages. The notice looks similar to what is already present on desktop, and will be displayed on when viewing any page except mainspace and when editing any page. (T284642)
- The limit on the number of emails a user can send per day has been made global instead of per-wiki to help prevent abuse. (T293866)
Arbitration
- Voting in the 2021 Arbitration Committee Elections is open until 23:59, 06 December 2021 (UTC).
- The already authorized standard discretionary sanctions for all pages relating to the Horn of Africa (defined as including Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and adjoining areas if involved in related disputes), broadly construed, have been made permanent.
Hey--not a baseball thing today, but a BLP matter; I'd like for you to look at this article and the recent edits again, just to make sure. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, you mean this? Clear BLP violation requiring RevDel. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:07, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oh and that editor tried another edit about the wrongful termination lawsuit. POV presentation, made the article worse. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- I wasn't sure about the content that I left in there and I figured you had looked more closely than I had. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Fred Hiatt
On 7 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Fred Hiatt, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. TJMSmith (talk) 17:12, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled
A recently closed Request for Comment (RFC) reached consensus to remove Autopatrolled from the administrator user group. You may, similarly as with Edit Filter Manager, choose to self-assign this permission to yourself. This will be implemented the week of December 13th, but if you wish to self-assign you may do so now. To find out when the change has gone live or if you have any questions please visit the Administrator's Noticeboard. 20:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
They
They said it on the game yesterday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maguires12 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
AIV report
Oops, got confused with something else I was looking at. They only did it once. And upon further research, apparently anal cancer exists and isn't just a crude child's term for colon cancer. Who knew? Sorry for wasting your time! I had been viewing recent changes for new and unregistered users, saw "anal" added to a biography, and assumed we were looking at a garden-variety vandal. T`swift`rocks (talk) 04:56, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- T`swift`rocks, I thought as much, and that it would be better to guide you to that than template it. Thanks for what you're doing in viewing recent changes, but do try to be more careful. You reported them for one edit, and it was the IP that had vandalized the page – Muboshgu (talk) 05:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
December 2021
I'm Sorry For Vandalising WikipediaI Promise I'll Never Do It Again. – Page Vandaliser (talk) 22:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Bubba Wallace
Hey, you seem to have protected Bubba Wallace at the same time I filed a request at RfPP so I'm not sure if you've seen it. I'm not sure 2 months is enough time given the history of vandalism at that page. It seems to be an identical issue as at Kyle Larson, with IPs consistently trying to right great wrongs via vandalism at both pages since mid-2020. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 18:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- GhostOfDanGurney, I have Bubba's page on my watchlist (and RfPP, so I did see it in the edit summary. though not your mention of Kyle Larson). Bubba's last page protection was (by me) for one month from March to April, and it hadn't needed protection for the past eight months, so increasing the length to two months I think appropriate. We continue to escalate the length if necessary. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me, thanks! -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 19:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Shaun Logan
Thank you for reinstating the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JessieMMarie (talk • contribs) 20:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Allegation about Boston Field Office IRS-CI wasting travel funds
How do I cite a reliable source?
I am the person who made the complaint to TIGTA about the IRS-CI Boston Field Office wasting funds by sending Boston based agents to LA instead of using LA based special agents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowlege2020 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Knowlege2020:, the guideline is on your talk page. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. But in this case, please do not reinsert that material. It is not sufficient to file a complaint for the matter to be significant enough to include. Also, if you're the one who filed the complaint, you have a conflict of interest in the matter. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:10, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
DYK for 2021 Major League Baseball lockout
On 12 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2021 Major League Baseball lockout, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Major League Baseball set a single-day record with $1.4 billion in new player contracts the day before the 2021 lockout was set to begin? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2021 Major League Baseball lockout. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 2021 Major League Baseball lockout), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for December 14
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Roland Hemond, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Boston Braves.
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ITN recognition for Roland Hemond
On 14 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Roland Hemond, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 19:15, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Sheila Dixon
Martin Shkreli
Martin Shkreli (edit) Revision as of 02:46, 6 November 2021
25 BYTES REMOVED , 1 MONTH AGO
m Reverted edits by Justito (talk) to last version by Kaiketsu | education = Hunter College High School (expelled for academics)
What’s the problem with my above edit you reverted:
“(expelled for academics)”? It’s relatively minor but gives a more accurate understanding. JustinReilly (talk) 18:22, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Mark Kotsay
Was today the right time to edit the Oakland Athletics pages with the Mark Kotsay news? To me it felt like it was slightly premature cause there was no official announcement by the club. If you disagree with me, then that’s fine and I’ll leave the edits how they are. If you agree, then I will change them back. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 01:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- GoWarriors151718, there's no official announcement, no confirmation from the team. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:51, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah. I was not the one who changed the Oakland A's articles to reflect today's news. That was someone else. I just wanted to make sure that you and I were on the same page (the page being that it was still too early to make the change). It seems to be that we are. Anyway, I will go in and revert the edits. Thanks for the clarification. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 02:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Music Video Screenshot
Hi Muboshgu, could you tell me more details about the rules violation of this image so in future I will not make them. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 09:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Գարիկ Ավագյան, fair use cannot be claimed for living people. See Wikipedia:Non-free content for more information. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Myrna Manzanares
On 21 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Myrna Manzanares, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 23:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Kushner family
On 10 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kushner family, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that some members of the Kushner family objected after Jared invoked their grandparents' resistance in Nazi-occupied Poland to support his denial of Donald Trump's alleged antisemitism? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kushner family. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Kushner family), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
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sorry it's so late—a script error caused this one to be overlooked theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
"Sonic Adventure 3" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Sonic Adventure 3 and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 22#Sonic Adventure 3 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 18:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
CSD deletion rationale for drafts
Hello, Muboshgu,
I've started to look over expiring drafts and deleting ones that appear to be an attempt at creating a social media profile like you'd see on Facebook. They aren't article drafts in any way shape or form, but they also aren't really "advertising". They appear to be the result of a very new editor not knowing what an encyclopedia is or what it is for.
The article title is always their name and they have information like their parent's names, their high school and what they want to do after their schooling. So, they have autobiographical information like you would have on a Linked In or Facebook profile but they are often the editor's only edit on Wikipedia. So, somewhere they got the idea that they should create a personal Wikipedia page. I've marked them both as "test edits" and "promotional". If there is even a hint of an actual draft of an article, I leave it to be deleted via G13. I sincerely doubt that any of these editors will return and make a request at WP:REFUND for the return of their draft but I wanted to mention doing this to the admins who regular patrol REFUND in case you come across this combination of deletion rationales. I wish we had a CSD rationale of "attempt at a social media profile page" but we don't so this is my temporary solution. If you have strong objections to this approach, let me know. They just don't seem like pages that should be restored as regular G13s because they aren't article drafts that will ever be moved to main space.
Thanks and I hope you have a great holiday season! Liz Read! Talk! 02:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Liz, I've definitely seen many of those "Facebook / LinkedIn profile" drafts you are speaking of. I think we should be deleting those as G11 as that's the closest we have for "attempt at a social media profile". – Muboshgu (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Kimera Bartee
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Greetings Muboshgu. While reading some talk pages I was alerted to an egregious case of WP:COATRACK at Members of the Council on Foreign Relations with repeated quotes linking some of these people to Jeffrey Epstein [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17], among other links. In my view this is serious enough for an Epstein topic ban or even a wider BLP ban. What do you think I should do? Should I take it to BLPN or ANI? I've posted on article talk so far, but the offending editor isn't active. starship.paint (exalt) 10:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Starship.paint, they just popped back in today for an edit. I do think that should be elevated. People with Epstein associations also have done non-Epstein related things I am willing to bet. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Sustained_WP:COATRACK_behaviour. Hopefully someone can propose an appropriate sanction. starship.paint (exalt) 09:12, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Danielleevandenbosch
You found an uninvolved Admin. Doug Weller talk 20:23, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Doug Weller, much appreciated! – Muboshgu (talk) 20:27, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Desmond Tutu
On 26 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Desmond Tutu, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 08:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I got censured
Hi. Why you formally closed the discussion (although people keep editing that section)? You flagged my topic as censure attempt but I wasn't talking about deleting any contents. Are you sure you aren't censuring me instead? I wasn't even started. And frankly I haven't so much time to spend here. Wiki things should be simple, that was the philosophy. --82.61.191.160 (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- The question was asked and answered. You were not "censured". – Muboshgu (talk) 01:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- You aren't in my mind and I say my "question" wasn't answered. You rushed to close a unborn discussion while there was no flaming, no need to moderate it yet, marking it to advertise there is nothing of important here. --82.61.191.160 (talk) 08:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Problem with an editor categorizing sportspeople articles.
I'm referring to this talk page discussion[18] with Grutness. He is overcategorizing sportspeople by city categories on a massive scale. Take for instance, Jerry Kindall. He puts them in Baseball players from Saint Paul, Minnesota but leaves them in Sportspeople from Saint Paul. Why? Because they were some form of coach or manager. Grutness has also done this for sportspeople who were annnouncers or writers and in one case[19] a golf architect. He's done this hundreds of times, at least 3 other editors have reverted an edit or edits of his. Can something be done here?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- WilliamJE, are they responding on talk? If not, AN/I. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- He responded. They wrote in part- "Yes, this situation has been deliberately done on some 7,000 articles, and for a very good reason. Category:Sportspeople from New Orleans was deliberately left on the page in addition to Category:Baseball players from New Orleans because Pollet was not just a player but also a coach. This is standard practice across recategorisation schemes such as this one, in order to still have the person searchable as a sportsman involved in other activities than simply playing a sport, and also making it easier to later recategorise if and when a Category:Baseball coaches from New Orleans category gets made (which it probably will - I'll be dealing with coach categories once I finish player ones)." I recommend you read the replies here[[20]]. It isn't a real long thread. If you recommend ANI, I'll take it there....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- BTW, I tried interesting two other editors who reverted edit(s) of Grutness. Here[21] and here[22]. Neither editor responded....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- WilliamJE, so then it's a content dispute about how to handle multisport people. Was Pollet's other sporting adventures enough to be defining characteristics? – Muboshgu (talk) 05:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- This isn't about content or multisport people, but placeholders for this editor's convenience. In this section of my talk page, Grutness wrote[23] 'Hi WilliamJE - re edits like this, those general sportspeople categories are being temporarily retained to make it easier to search for coaches, executives, journalists, and officials (categories for them are going to be started once I've finished the player categories) - please don't remove any of them! I've rolled back the lasty 60 or so edits of the sort made by you - please revert the others, otherwise the articles will not get the appropriate coach etc categories.' They have been at this overcategorizing for a month at least....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- He just took me to ANI. Here's the thread[24]....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- WilliamJE, so then it's a content dispute about how to handle multisport people. Was Pollet's other sporting adventures enough to be defining characteristics? – Muboshgu (talk) 05:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Otis Anderson Jr. for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otis Anderson Jr. until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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Reverted updates
I do not understand why my recent updates were reverted. You qoute "seems to be promotion" but that is not the case. Any updated I have made is concerning the music industry in which I monitor and am well educated in. The posts are not promotional, but are 100% true and factual an informational. I request that your changes to "Revert" be removed.
I live in a certain region and have knowledge of various music awards and information on Joe Exotic. The post concerning Joe Exotic is factual and shows that he is being represented by a promotional company called The Mississippi Music Project, which is a non-profit. The Wiki page lists his attorney and other associates concerned with his case, but you delete his promotional team?
I am not associated with The Mississippi Music Project in any way, but I have reported their awards and Hall of fame inductions, which are highly regarded in the music industry.
Please undo your changes.
Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuneandElvis (talk • contribs) 13:58, December 28, 2021 (UTC)
- I looked at that website. I will not link it or quote it, but to say that it has no place on Wikipedia because it is clearly a part of advocacy and promotion that you're doing for your organization. You won't do that here. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Harry Reid
On 29 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Harry Reid, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 08:42, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for John Madden
On 30 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article John Madden, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 01:50, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Muboshgu!
Muboshgu,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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ITN
If you’re going to revert acceptable comments made in good faith and not insulting anyone or anything, then you at least need to leave a good edit summary. There are lots of registered editors who leave comments post-closing, so there is no need to discriminate against IP editors. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:4952:A06:CC72:56F9 (talk) 23:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- What is "acceptable" about adding to a discussion that has been closed? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- What one person can acceptably do, another can acceptably undo. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:4952:A06:CC72:56F9 (talk) 23:58, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Dan Reeves
On 2 January 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Dan Reeves, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Amakuru (talk) 10:06, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Ralph Waldo Emerson Jones
On 3 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ralph Waldo Emerson Jones, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that even though Charles P. Adams meant to hire someone else, Ralph Waldo Emerson Jones remained at Grambling State University for 51 years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ralph Waldo Emerson Jones. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ralph Waldo Emerson Jones), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Query
Hello, Muboshgu,
Draft:Nazar Pankiv was eligible for a refund but you turned down the request. Is that because you judged the content of the draft to be unacceptable? I know there are a couple of admins who occasionally drop into WP:REFUND who regularly turn down valid G13 requests if they find the draft content lacking but it seems like you have been more accommodating to requests from editors wanting their drafts back. I was just surprised. Hope you are having a pleasant New Years weekend! Liz Read! Talk! 06:36, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Liz, sometimes, a draft that went through AFC says "submission declined". Others, including this one, say "submission rejected". The draft would have been an A7 if it was in mainspace, and Nazarasvitlo is here only for self-promotion. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:35, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Maybe I should give these requests more scrutiny in the future...I have felt obligated to restore as long as it was a simple contested PROD or straight-forward CSD G13. Thanks for your reply. Liz Read! Talk! 00:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – January 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2021).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following consensus at the 2021 RfA review, the autopatrolled user right has been removed from the administrators user group; admins can grant themselves the autopatrolled permission if they wish to remain autopatrolled.
- Additionally, consensus for proposal 6C of the 2021 RfA review has led to the creation of an administrative action review process. The purpose of this process will be to review individual administrator actions and individual actions taken by users holding advanced permissions.
Arbitration
- Following the 2021 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Beeblebrox, Cabayi, Donald Albury, Enterprisey, Izno, Opabinia regalis, Worm That Turned, Wugapodes.
Miscellaneous
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Your GA nomination of Duffy Lewis
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Duffy Lewis you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. 
This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of GhostRiver -- GhostRiver (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
How we will see unregistered users
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Your GA nomination of Duffy Lewis
The article Duffy Lewis you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold 
. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Duffy Lewis for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of GhostRiver -- GhostRiver (talk) 21:00, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Welcome to the 2022 WikiCup!
Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2022 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email). Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Welcome to the 2022 WikiCup!
Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2022 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email). Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Unblock
Hi Sir My Name Is Kohyar Shahi and I started to work on wikipedia for last month. I created the article of Nasrollah Radesh one the famous actor in iran Today i see one of the managers name Bbb23 Blocked me for indefinitely and suspected sockpuppet of Aliasghar ghorbandokht. Anything necessary to prove that I have no connection with this blocked user and I am Koohyar Shahi is willing to do. Please help me. I swear I have nothing to do with this person 2.147.176.172 (talk) 20:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- This is not the appropriate forum for unblocking. I don't even know what account Bbb23 blocked. You should post an unblock request on the talk page of the blocked account using the
unblock
template. Or use Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System, if you don't have talk page access. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Cylex page
Hi I was wondering if its possible to get back the Cylex company page. I am a beginner Wiki editor and I want to do it right. I also understand that maybe I am not fully neutral about this topic but as I see nobody will ever want to create a wikipedia page about this.
Talk page access of JustLikeMeadows
Hello; please consider revoking talk page access from JustLikeMeadows due to talk page abuse (diff). Thank you! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 04:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Considered and done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 05:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Ed Sweeney
Thanks for your research on this Yankees player— he is my great uncle!! 2600:1008:B05A:E9CD:3DB8:7709:BF63:E243 (talk) 05:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
We never knew much of this info Ja15player (talk) 05:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Sorry wasn’t logged in on first entry— he was my great uncle. Ja15player (talk) 05:38, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Ja15player, well whaddya know. I'm glad I helped fill in gaps on your great uncle's life and career. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Changes addressed; let me know if anything more is needed! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 14:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Sanfranciscogiants17, I'll take a look a little later today. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:02, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Lunar Linux page deletion
Why did you delete our Lunar Linux distribution page? All the information was perfectly valid! Please restore the page or I report this as vandalism.
Bsfc (talk) 16:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Bsfc: I don't take well to being threatened. Mind your tone and be WP:CIVIL. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Duffy Lewis
The article Duffy Lewis you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Duffy Lewis for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of GhostRiver -- GhostRiver (talk) 23:01, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Don Maynard
On 11 January 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Don Maynard, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 06:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Xavier_Becerra
Regarding your comment at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Xavier_Becerra "Criticism on health policy":
OK, fair point. I assumed that in order to go into the article, I would have to find WP:RS, preferably WP:MEDRS, supporting it. I used the word "blasted" for conciseness, and I wouldn't say that in Wikipedia's voice.
But this brings up one of my greatest annoyances in Wikipedia: That editors apply the opposite standards in different articles.
Could you look at this discussion in Irwin Redlener?
- In May 2020 Redlener said an effective COVID-19 vaccine would not be proven safe for at least another year; after distribution of a vaccine was authorized by the Food and Drug Administration in December 2020 Politico named Redlener's prediction one of "the most audacious, confident and spectacularly incorrect prognostications about the year".[20]
Here's the discussion in Talk:Irwin_Redlener [25] under "Proposed changes".
I think this is the same situation. It's a single opinion, from a source that isn't a WP:MEDRS or even accurate, in a WP:BLP, which the individual's assistant has asked WP to remove. I made what I think are good arguments based on WP policies and guidelines, but these editors just rejected them without really answering them, and outvoted me. Consensus is not a vote. It got too exhausting to pursue it any more, but now that I have an admin's attention, do you think that this paragraph also violates WP policies and guidelines?
(PS: I'm not sure of WP rules on notifying people when you discuss their edits with admins. Is there anything I'm supposed to do?) --Nbauman (talk) 20:28, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nbauman:, for a comment like this I don't think you need to "notify" anybody. That's about if you take the issue to AN/I or similar board.
- I agree that it's a problem when policies aren't adhered to on different pages. An issue here is that, before I click on any link, I have no idea who Irwin Redlener is, so its obviously not a page that's on my watchlist. Another issue is that, while I am aware of WP:MEDRS, I don't consider myself well-versed enough in those articles to be implementing its rigorous procedures. I imagine there are other admins who are active in the MEDRS area that could probably better address the issues with that bio.
- Also, I found this article regarding Becerra, talking about how he's not that involved in the Biden administration COVID response, which would be appropriate for Becerra's bio. Topol's criticisms of Becerra may not be valid based on the fact that Becerra is more involved in non-COVID things while Biden has Fauci, Zeints, Walensky etc leading that response. Just a thought, as I haven't watched his grand rounds presentation. (And I do understand and appreciate that language used on talk pages aren't intended to be inserted into a BLP, but we should still tr to be neutral on talk pages too).
- So what do I do about the Irwin Redlener page? This happens repeatedly on Wikipedia. Somebody violates WP rules and guidelines, including WP:BLP, I object to it, they get WP:3O from people who know nothing about the subject to outnumber me, and if I make the change anyway they revert it and I'm liable to get sanctioned for edit warring. Who is an Admin who could make a judgment about that apparent WP:BLP violation? --Nbauman (talk) 20:59, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nbauman:, I did take a look at it and I don't think it's a violation of BLP. As Seraphimblade says, it's properly attributed to Politico. That said, I see your point that a collection or wrong predictions in a Politico article could be WP:UNDUE. I would need to know more about how much Redlener says and does on COVID vaccines to know if I think its DUE. That discussion looks to have petered out in August. Could rise to the level of an RfC if you want more eyes on it than its gotten. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- So what do I do about the Irwin Redlener page? This happens repeatedly on Wikipedia. Somebody violates WP rules and guidelines, including WP:BLP, I object to it, they get WP:3O from people who know nothing about the subject to outnumber me, and if I make the change anyway they revert it and I'm liable to get sanctioned for edit warring. Who is an Admin who could make a judgment about that apparent WP:BLP violation? --Nbauman (talk) 20:59, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Charles McGee (Tuskegee Airman)
On 17 January 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Charles McGee (Tuskegee Airman), which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 07:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Ed Cheff
On 18 January 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ed Cheff, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 16:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Lou Almada
On 19 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lou Almada, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Lou Almada brought his younger brother with him to spring training, the team gave his brother his job? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Almada. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Lou Almada), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.