Talk:Biswaroop Roy Chowdhury

Semi Protection

• It seems some editors wanted to disrupt this page. This page having right citations was unnecessarily moved to draft space. Administrators please watch this page.DineshPRO (talk) 01:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• People, as I checked for some references, I found some and I have added those in the page according to wiki policy of neutral points. I think people who are into Alternative medicine are not accepted by everyone. Anyway I hope Administrators will look into this page.DineshPRO (talk) 05:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

See wP:FRINGE. Wikipedia isn't the place for you to promote or whitewash some quack. Praxidicae (talk) 15:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Biswaroop Roy Chowdhury

• Biswaroop Roy Chowdhury (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Semi-protection: High level of vandalism by User:DineshPRO. Edits by User:DineshPRO are selectively chosen, highly biased, and do not present a neutral view. Debabratapaul (talk) 16:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

• Agree with Semi-protection and disagree the point saying biased. I would like to suggest that, the page I have updated with references be kept unhurt till reaching consensus here as I have updated all references. I believe in following neutral point of view on biography of a person, but now it looks like malign and complete vandalism of the page. I have reverted the page and please don't change it until reaching consensus. At least check the references and please don't vandalize the page.DineshPRO (talk) 06:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

deprod

I deprodded this as I spent a fair amount of time actually summarizing what the sources said from the original whitewashed article and I think there's far too much coverage here for a prod to be applied. If someone still thinks it should be deleted, please take it to AFD. The subject in my opinion is notable for his highly controversial and disproven conspiracy theories. The fact that he is censored on social media isn't really relevant as their reasoning is to prevent disinformation, Wikipedia does not allow subjects to dictate the content of articles about them or their interests, so it's not quite the same problem. Praxidicae (talk) 20:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Praxidicae, Thanks. I agree with the approach. The subject is a notable quack and a fraudster. So it is important that well-founded information must be publicly available. Deletion request was made mainly because the page has been subject to vandalism particularly by DineshPRO who has been making wholesale changes and adding contents that the poorly sourced, unsubstantiated, highly biased and mainly aimed to promote the subject with unambiguous advertising and to withhold the correct information. Page protection may be the way forward.Debabratapaul (talk) 21:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

If it continues to be whitewashed with utter unsourced bullshit, it can be protected but I don't think deleting it serves readers. Praxidicae (talk) 21:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

People, please check why the blog reference [[1]] has been updated and please check this link showing [[2]] accreditation of Alliance International University. (Or is this a fake one..?) DineshPRO (talk) 04:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

http://www.unesco.vg is a dodgy and a fraudulent organisation to mimic https://www.whed.net/home.php of UNESCO (The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization). http://www.unesco.vg (is not the real UNESCO) stands for "UNION NACIONAL DE EDUCATION SUPERIOR CONTINUA" and it's obvious why such name was chosen. AIU is a Diploma mill and anyone can buy Hon. Phd almost overnight from there. Wikipedia is the wrong place to contribute to an article with the sole aim to whitewash quacks with dodgy references rather than objectively contributing to an article. Debabratapaul (talk) 11:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Added Guinness records as references are from valid sites.DineshPRO (talk) 20:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Merely quoting references from news articles not necessarily always validates the claims particularly when better references can be traced online. If these claims are genuine please provide references from the https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/. If not, in my opinion, these citations to be removed. Without strong references, these out of context claims the only gives the appearance of passive glorification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debabratapaul (talk • contribs) 21:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Debabratapaul, unfortunately, per the Guinness World Records site, they don't have all of their records (only 15,000/40,000) on their website. I tried searching for Chowdhury on the site but he wasn't present.

Gbear605 (talk) 21:56, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Gbear605 Guinness World Records do maintains a comprehensive list of records but to search one must log in . I tried it but unfortunately, his name wasn't there. I was able to find other claimants from the same years Chowdhury claims was awarded. I am sceptical here because of the history of numerous false claims he publically made which proved to be hoaxes including claims of World’s Most Translated Author!! Debabratapaul (talk) 22:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Debabratapaul, they specifically are saying that the logged in list is not the full list and that some records they only maintain on paper. Unfortunately there seems to be no way of verifying that a record is real or not, and The Indian Express is considered by Wikipedia to generally be a reliable source. Gbear605 (talk) 22:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Gbear605 Sorry, if I am sounding too grumpy and rigid. But neither of the The Indian Express reports related to the Guinness World Records included in the Wiki article. The news only reports Chowdhury's quotes regarding his previous claims of records while they report the world’s largest pen record in one. If all of these true then 3 records, not 2? By his own admission, he has 2 records . Does not really add up.Debabratapaul (talk) 23:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The Guinness records site will show up only the existing record of each category. The previous record holder's record gets removed, once a new record gets created. DineshPRO (talk) 22:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

That's not true. Guinness maintains both active and inactive/broken records. Debabratapaul (talk) 22:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

DineshPRO Please note my above comment at 23:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC). Your references are poorly sourced. Unless you can provide reliable sources that reports the achievement of records these references will be removed. Largest pen record may be appropriate though as this is what news article reports. Debabratapaul (talk) 23:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

It has been written as Despite Chowdhury's claims he is a doctor, he has no formal qualifications or medical training. He received an honorary PhD in "diabetes science" from Alliance International University in Zambia, which is not accredited. in the main page.

Actually it shows that he was honoured PhD in 2017 and the news '‘Substandard’ university deregistered' appeared only in April 2018. That means AIU was a Standard’ university till April 2018..correct? So the main page should have the line as, Chowdhury has no formal qualifications or medical training, but received an honorary PhD in "diabetes science" from Alliance International University in Zambia, but the University was deregistered due to offering substandard training services.Correct? It matches the neutral policy. DineshPRO (talk) 18:45, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

You're just making hte same point. He has no formal medical training or degrees. An honorary degree is worthless. It's like a participation trophy, only he didn't participate in anything to get it from some garbage unaccredited university...Praxidicae (talk) 18:51, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Help to make this neutral

As a person, who trusts alternate medicine, it's not a surprise for me that, Biswaroop Roy Chowdhury's page has been disrupted by many. Alternative medicine are not considered on par with Modern medicine for many reasons, but the fact is Alternative medicine is effective and its fruit has been enjoyed by lakhs of people around the globe. India's great Ayurveda is also a part of Alternative medicine gives a complete picture. I, myself survived severe jaundice just because of a dose of Panacea (medicine), where Modern medicine was helpless. I am not here to point out the best between Alternative or Modern medicines, but to bring administrators to check this page of Biswaroop Roy Chowdhury, an alternative medicine practitioner who has satisfied thousands with his method of treatment, but opposed by Modern medicine. I checked the Category:People in alternative medicine and randomly selected some administrators who has edited the People in alternative medicine pages. I am requesting all the admin's I have choosen here, @User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao, @User:JzG, @User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao, @User:Keith D, @User:Materialscientist, @User:Titodutta, @User:Alexf, @User:Czar, @User:Shyamal to check the points given below and do the needful to make the page that adhere the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy.

• 1. It is been written as Biswaroop is a self-proclaimed fake doctor known for peddling medical conspiracy theories, including conspiracies about COVID-19, AIDS denialism, and diabetes, for which he has been heavily criticized.

It should be like, Biswaroop is a medical nutritionist and alternative-medicine advocate, who is known for The DIP Diet, a method to reverse diabetes in 72 hours. A supporter of the New Age movement, he is also an author of over 25 books on memory, mind, body and a two time winner of Guinness World Records. Chowdhury has also been continuously criticised for peddling medical conspiracy theories, including conspiracies about COVID-19, AIDS denialism, and diabetes. Indian health officials have referred to his "miracle diabetes cure" as fraud.

( It is not appropriate to use the words 'self-proclaimed fake doctor' )

• 2. His YouTube video promoting anti-mask conspiracy theories was taken down by Twitter for violating their terms of use. ( Yes, this can be added in the page)

• 3. As per Chowdhury, “If you’re a diabetes patient and you eat 1 kg mango or 1 dozen banana or as many grapes as you want, in a few days, you’ll not remain a diabetes patient", but doctor's practicing Modern medicine protested on the same. (This line should be added)

and several of his theories have been debunked by multiple media outlets such as Firstpost, including claims that masks are a method of slavery and that they are ineffective at containing virus droplets ( yes, this also should be added )

• 4. He is the author of several self-published books and creator of two films. In 2005 he worked in Hindi movie Yaad Rakhenge Aap, which claimed could somehow enhance the viewer's memory,and in 2006 announced Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna, which triggered a dispute with director Karan Johar, who was making his own film under the same name; both claimed that the title was registered with them.

It should be ' He is the author of several self-help books ... ' ( and not self-published books as amazon books have published some of his books )

• 5. The Consumer Complaints Council (CCC) of the Advertising Standards Council of India (ASCI) in 2017 and 2016 had found Biswaroop's advertisement claiming ‘Diabetes Type 1 & Type 2 Cure in 72 Hrs’ is false and grossly misleading. ASCI further stated that making claims of diabetes cure, the advertisement is in breach of the law as it violated the Drugs and Magic Remedies (Objectionable Advertisements) Act, 1954.

[3] Here the title itself says, ASCI bans 114 ads, including Airtel, Amazon, Haier, Dove, Fair & Lovely, Complan, and Kelloggs in August 2017.

So it should be, 'The Consumer Complaints Council (CCC) of the Advertising Standards Council of India (ASCI) in 2017 and 2016 had found Biswaroop's advertisement claiming ‘Diabetes Type 1 & Type 2 Cure in 72 Hrs’, along with 114 ads, including Airtel, Amazon, Haier, Dove, Fair & Lovely, Complan, and Kelloggs is false and grossly misleading. ASCI further stated that Roy making claims of diabetes cure, the advertisement is in breach of the law as it violated the Drugs and Magic Remedies (Objectionable Advertisements) Act, 1954.

• 6. Despite Chowdhury's claims he is a doctor, he has no formal qualifications or medical training. He received an honorary PhD in "diabetes science" from Alliance International University in Zambia, which is not accredited

Let admins decides about this paragraph as Alliance International University was accredited when he was honoured doctorate.

• 7. The official links that shows he won 2 Guinness records were removed without any explanation and in Guinness site, only the existing record shows over riding the old record even when we log in and search.
• 8. As Wikipedia:No original research is not encouraged, this link, [4] has been updated in the page and its author name shows 'Deb Paul', whom I believe is the same person, Debabratapaul who responded against the subject in talk page.

I am not against anyone personally here, but I request to turn the page that matches, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:No original research. Don't leave the page as Wikipedia:Attack page.

This stage seems to be neutral with a list of books; [5]

Requesting all Admin's to take care of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DineshPRO (talk • contribs) 13:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

@DineshPRO: Wikipedia is not a place to promote beliefs and whitewash articles to look good WP:NOT. This article's 'nobility' criteria statisfied only on the basis of subject's coverage of fringe theories in the media. The subject is not notable WP:BASIC on the basis of Practitioner of Alternative Medicine, and this article would be simply deteted on that basis. However, there is no sources that establish the subject is a Practitioner of Alternative Medicine. It need to be amended suitably (such as to Conspiracy theorist) or deleted in the infobox to avoid wrong attribution. RationalPuff (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Unsupported "Practitioner of Alternative Medicine" title

I didn't find any source that suggest the subject is a Practitioner of Alternative Medicine. Although Alternative medicine itself is a unproven practice, there are genuine and qualified Practitioners of Alternative Medicines, particularly in India. The subject is a notable quack and conspisprircy theorist. Therefore, I'm removing this non-verifiable WP:GRAPEVINE title in the infobox. Anyone, disagree please provide reliable sources complying WP:RS WP:V that confirms the subject is a Practitioner of Alternative Medicine. RationalPuff (talk) 19:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Self-proclaimed doctor?

He has implied, but does not claim to be medical doctor. He claims to be be a nutritionist. His PhD is from a diploma-mill university.

I would not mind the mention of his books, even though they are self published. I note their good reviews on Amazon. They explain his perspective.

It is interesting to contrast him with Dr. Steven Gundry, with genuine credentials but with pseudo-scientific theories (and products or services based on them).

What is the "Indo-Vietnam medical board"?

Malaiya (talk) 21:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. Amazon reviews are not reliable sources. Also its important to consider WP:PROFRINGE WP:FRINGELEVEL before adding any contentious materials. The subject is more than what meets the eyes who not just misrepresenting himself using diploma mill qualifications but also reportedly running fake degree rackets in India. Fradulent Indo-vietnam, World Records University etc. are all part of this. More info here RationalPuff (talk) 22:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I have scanned through his "Diabetes Type I & II - Cure in 72 Hrs". In my personal view: bogus. But it presents what he is preaching and practicing, and people are reading it. Mein Kampf is not a good book, but it is proper for it to be discussed in Wikipedia, since it is notable. Malaiya (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't feel these examples are comparable by any means. From what I researched, no independent reliable sources are talking about it. What's available are predominantly promotional or perhaps some passing mention in tabloids, therefore inclusion in Wikipedia will only give WP:UNDUE weight. But give it a go if you feel there are enough sources to back it up. This particularly will require to comply with WP:MEDRS RationalPuff (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2021

Dr. Biswaroop Roy Choudhury is also running 5 centers in the country one amongst them is in Ahmednagar, Maharashtra where thousands of covid patients are getting cured including 20-30% with critical condition when they arrive. So far his NICE centre have cured more than 50 thousand covid patients with zero death, zero money, zero medicine. Deepakchoubey02 (talk) 08:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide a reliable source to support your claim. Princess Persnickety (talk) 12:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2021

He started 3 COVID care center more than 1000 beds with no mask, no PPE kit, no fee, no death i.e zero mortality rate. One COVID CARE CENTRE is in Ahmednagar support by Nilesh lanke MLA. 182.65.118.28 (talk) 17:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide a reliable source to support your claim. POLITANVM ^talk 17:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

50000+ covid patients cured

50000+ covid patients cured please 50000+ covid patients and testimonial proofs can be emailed to you 2405:204:221:8828:0:0:37F:98AC (talk) 16:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

No need to email anyone. You can just share any reliable sources here on this talk page. Politanvm ^talk 16:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep YouTube testimonial seminar

Keep live YouTube testimonial seminar one day where all his patients who are cured will give videos of benefits they received from Dr brc DIP diet. Before just relying on newspaper articles pls rely on LIVE TESTIMONIALs of PATIENTS as thousand or maybe lakhs patient will prove DR BRC biswaroop Choudhary is true. Wikipedia is platform for the people by the people so hope wp will not do injustice to anyone.. 2405:204:221:8828:0:0:37F:98AC (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia's reliable source guideline to understand what Wikipedia considers a reliable source (e.g., reputable new sources, peer reviewed research, etc.) and what is not considered a reliable source (e.g., YouTube videos, primary source testimonials). Politanvm ^talk 17:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Heard it all before - years ago. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2022

{ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihir Mazumdar (talk • contribs) 16:28, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Princess Persnickety (talk) 17:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Talk page protected

I have protected this talk page due to the endless violations of WP:NOTFORUM. If anyone has any productive suggestions sourced to reliable sources, please use Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_edits_to_a_protected_page. SmartSE (talk) 12:53, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Biased with no history or background of the individual

This article is biased and it doesn't give much information about the individuals history or background. 117.220.186.148 (talk) 12:29, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Revert of some rewritten content

RationalPuff can you please source the claim that WRU is a fake online University named World Records University that sells fraudulent PhD? Same for AIU, Zambia being a diploma mill. The current sources do not say so and you have restored heavily WP:OR sentences. Hemantha (talk) 07:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Please refrain from whitewash the article. It has been attempted many times before. Please read the discussions on the talk page. If you believe this university exists somewhere on the earth please provide reliable sources to confirm. This fraudulent organisation is run from a dingy office in Faridabad, India as far as I know but I will be really curious and find out more if you have any sources that confirm otherwise. RationalPuff (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)