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hello, why did you delete my changes to robert gant’s page? i added info that is available in an article and corrected a broken link that you changed back to a broken link.

Please explain

It is with regret that I must assert your removal of edits pertaining to the material on Tomasz Misiak's biography constitutes participation in an unfair process of defamation against Mr. Tomasz Misiak. The content concerning him does not take into account the final court decisions and the cases he has won regarding defamation. The sources cited are mostly nationalist media that supported the undemocratic Law and Justice government in Poland. Mr. Tomasz Misiak's case is considered a political issue, and an appeal on his behalf and many other aggrieved individuals was signed by Lech Wałęsa, the leader of Polish freedom. For unknown reasons, you engage on the side of those aiming to destroy Mr. Misiak's reputation, trivially labeling materials from the most important Polish democratic media as a bad source. If you are not undertaking this action on someone's order, I suggest reviewing the materials you are deleting and considering whether Wikipedia is the place for such behaviors as creating biased material about people — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrzegorzNews (talk • contribs) 18:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

GrzegorzNews, first, please read WP:NLT and be more careful with your words here. Second, my edit history here clearly shows thousands of edits over many years on a large range of topics, and so your accusation that I am somehow I am acting at the behest of someone or have any connection to this topic is completely unfounded. I note that you have not responded on your talk page to the question of whether you have a connection to Mr Misiak. Finally, as I explained in my edit summary, I reverted your edits because because they contained content copied from elsewhere, were not neutrally written, and were not properly sourced - all of which are against wikipedia guidelines. As you have now been reverted by multiple editors for similar reasons, you should engage in discussion on the talk page rather than continuing to edit (and you should respond to the question about conflict of interest), otherwise you may be blocked from editing here at all. Melcous (talk) 02:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. The current version of editing has significantly changed the text entries. I apologize if you consider my opinions too emotional, but I see how manipulations are being made in many places of this material. An example still present in this material, the visa tender win by a consortium of companies in which Mr. Misiak was a member of the supervisory board of one of several consortium companies, is not and was not a scandal in Poland. On the contrary, the decision in this matter was made by a court arbitration and ultimately recognized the winners. The cited materials are political media articles, controlled by people who supported the PiS government. Where does such information come from in the biography, what is its role in this article. Please also compare the Polish and English versions. In the Polish material, numerous apologies from the media and politicians for accusing Mr. Misiak of acting in favor of his own company during his term are given, but this is not mentioned in the English material.

The descriptions of the criminal case, already removed from the material, were never available publicly, only the parties to the proceedings have them, which means someone is using confidential data. In connetion, Mr. Misiak's criminal case is already presented in Poland as a political case. Mr. Witucki and Mr. Misiak are listed in the appeal of many non-governmental social and business organizations as individuals subject to what is known as malicious investigations. Please check this information.

https://en.odfoundation.eu/a/704487,odf-and-themis-malicious-prosecution-report-on-polish-public-prosecutors-office/

https://en.odfoundation.eu/a/725301,minister-bodnar-supports-review-of-politically-motivated-prosecutions/

https://en.odfoundation.eu/a/725336,open-letter-bodnar-responds-to-public-appeal-for-review-of-politically-motivated-prosecutions/ GrzegorzNews (talk) 21:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@GrzegorzNews: The place for this discussion is on the article talk page, not here. And I ask you again to please respond to the question whether you have a conflict of interest. Melcous (talk) 01:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Unwarranted deletion

Your deletion of every one of my recent edits in the lead of Psalms article on the grounds that it needs citations and is POV is incorrect in both instances:

Regarding citation in the lead, see: MOS:LEADCITE and note in particular: "The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none. The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article."

The appropriate way to handle NPOV is for you, the disputer of the information, to open a discussion on the talk page, not wholesale delete everything that was added. See here: [to initiate an NPOV debate?]

Your deletion borders on vandalism. If you can't be bothered to actually do the work to improve the article, leave it alone. --Chefallen (talk) 23:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Chefallen you need to understand what vandalism is before glibly throwing around accusations about it. The lead of this article has been the subject of much discussion by many editors over a long period of time. Per WP:BRD, the onus is on you to gain consensus for your proposed changes once they have been disputed. (I will note that another experienced user publicly thanked me for the revert, suggesting they too would dispute it). The lead does not require citations, but it should be a summary of the article and should not include opinions or commentary that are not found elsewhere in the article, which is what you have introduced. Melcous (talk) 01:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I note in your edit summary that you object to the phrase "God's protection and salvation" in the statement that book also includes psalms of thanksgiving, wisdom, and confidence in God's protection and salvation; or the phrase "shaping cultural practice for centuries" in the sentence that the book of Psalms has been influential in shaping religious and cultural practices for centuries That doesn't explain or justify why you are summarily deleting everything else. --Chefallen (talk) 02:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Chefallen, I have given you some examples of the things I find problematic, I could list more, but this is not the place for such a discussion. As I have said, the lead of this article has been the subject of numerous discussion by numerous editors over a long time to reach consensus on what is currently there. You are wanting to change it, therefore the onus is on you to gain consensus to do so. Take it to the talk page if you want to do so, but please do not post further about this here. Melcous (talk) 03:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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I am reporting you for deleting my work

I don't have any confect in interest with Ray Russell. I have never been employed by him. I did not advertise anything either. In fact I am unemployed. So for you to delete my work that took me ages to complete and of which I cited from reliable sources is completely unjust! MsMaui (talk) 12:41, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

MsMaui thank you for responding to the question about conflict of interest. You still need to read up on what it means to write from a neutral point of view and avoid promotion because much of what you have included in the article does not meet these guidelines and as such should and will be removed. Please also read up on what constitutes a reliable source, and how sources must actually verify the content in the article. Thank you Melcous (talk) 14:53, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Again I do not have a conflict of interest I randomly chose the page as my first edit. I'm not fan I'm not related to Ray Russell. I just did my homework! You have been reported. My advice is to next time help by improving the citations or message the editor first. MsMaui (talk) 07:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

MsMaui I thanked you for answering the COI question and moved on. All those policies and guidelines still apply to your editing. Melcous (talk) 07:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I have responded to your WP:ANI report which I believe is fairly frivolous but that's up to an administrator to respond to now. Please also note that I went through the article carefully, and made changes one at a time, with explanations and links to relevant policies in my edit summaries. I would again ask you to read through those linked guidelines so you understand what the issues are - for example, you can't include content with a reference that doesn't actually mention Russell, that fails WP:V. Melcous (talk) 07:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you very much for having a look at the article about Matty Healy. There seems to be a severe need for input by uninvolved experienced contributors, and seeing yours makes me rest assured that such input is now incoming. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you ToBeFree. I've mostly looked at copyediting and some neutrality, it still needs more uninvolved contributors who have a bit more time and knowledge of the subject to address some of the remaining questions, particularly the disputed POV tag. Melcous (talk) 14:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah If (as I guess/hope) the BLPN notification brought you there, that surely is a good sign that more may well follow. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Re: Makoto Furutani-Seiki

Hi, hope you are doing great? Firstly thank you for doing such an amazing work on here. Some of us are looking forward to this longevity and to have the ability to create more articles like you :) I write in regards to the above article which you added the tag a year now. Couple of tweaking has been made from different editors and also I did some adjustment at the time too.

Could you kindly remove this tag now as I think its the honourable thing to do by asking you to move the tag rather than me just removing it :)

Thank you! Oceanview1590 (talk) 09:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Oceanview1590 Thank you, but the issues flagged on Makoto Furutani-Seiki have not been addressed. The article is still an orphan with no incoming links, and the majority of sources are still connected to the subject. Maintenance templates should only be removed once the issues they have flagged have been responded to, which none of the minor edits made have done. Melcous (talk) 12:47, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate the steer but the aim of Wikipedia is for articles to be developed not necessarily by the creator of the article but by any other editor who deemed it fit to carry out these edits. It's been 1 year since you noted this, you could have made the necessary changes on this article as contribution to the wikipedia space but you didn't and decided to add a tag to the page which I think its not a fair think to do.

However, you did mentioned above about majority of the sources still being connected to the subject, what's your rationale on this? What specific sources are related to the subject that needed addressing which you couldn't address at the time until now? Its ok to just jump onto a page and add things but wikipedia would be better if editors do some due diligence which I think its not what has happened here. Oceanview1590 (talk) 23:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Oceanview1590 - what is my rationale for saying the majority of the sources are connected to the subject? There are currently 34 footnotes in the article (although are number are repeated and should be merged): about a third of these are to sources written by the subject of the article; and at least another third are to profiles/bios about the subject on places like google, their university, research map etc. That is not independent referencing - there needs to be independent, secondary sources. On your other comments, yes, the goal of wikipedia is that articles can be edited by anyone, and in fact the purpose of maintenance templates is to flag issues so that editors with interest or expertise can be drawn to articles to address those issues. But there is no obligation on any editor to do so, rather the obligation is on editors who add content to ensure that it is properly sourced. Melcous (talk) 23:55, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Well said, I will try and review those issues raised over the weekend and get them fixed. I will get the ones that are not directly independent or secondary sources removed as advised. This explanation has helped me understand more about the concept of independent referencing. Thanks

Again, I appreciate your steer on this :) Cheers Oceanview1590 (talk) 00:17, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good Oceanview1590, thank you. Note not all the non-independent sources need to be removed, there just needs to be enough that are independent. I would also suggest that the references to his publications could be moved from references to a publications list - see how it is done here for just one example. Melcous (talk) 00:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Noted! I will start working on this by tomorrow :) It's early hours of the morning here now in the UK and I need to catch some sleep. Thank you so much for your help! Oceanview1590 (talk) 00:38, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Melcous, I have moved all the references on his publications from references to the publication list. I await your feedback. Thanks Oceanview1590 (talk) 12:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Melcous I acknowledge the concern about excessive reliance on sources closely associated with the subject, which can hinder the article's verifiability and neutrality. I have carefully reviewed the sources used and made necessary revisions to ensure a balanced and unbiased perspective. Kindly review and suggest if any further actions are required. I hope these changes have addressed the tagged issues. Thanks Oceanview1590 (talk) 09:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Melcous I have introduced links to the page from related articles, I have also moved all the references on his publications from references to the publications list as advised. I have made the necessary revisions to ensure a balanced and unbiased perspective. Kindly review and advise if all is fine before I remove the tag on the article. Thanks Oceanview1590 (talk) 22:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Oceanview1590 the two maintenance templates are still relevant - the article is still an WP:ORPHAN, meaning there are no incoming links from any other articles to this one (your edits have added links within this article to others). And I believe there are still too references to his own works and not enough independent. I'm not sure what you mean when you said above that you have moved references to a publication list, as there is no publications list in the article. I can have a go at creating this if you like. Melcous (talk) 23:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank You Melcous Of course! I'm glad you're willing to give it a try :) Regarding what I mentioned earlier, it pertains to your previous message dated June 2nd at 00:25, where you said, "I would also recommend relocating the mentions of his publications from the references section to a separate publication list." You also shared a link with me, which I used as a reference. Oceanview1590 (talk) 08:48, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Melcous Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for all the support and steer for my article - Makoto Furutani-Seiki. I have learnt a lot from these brief interactions and support. Appreciate your time for doing such tremendous work on the article. Oceanview1590 (talk) 10:39, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Gösta Pettersson (biochemist)

Back in September 2017 you added four tags to the article on Gösta Pettersson (biochemist). I have removed all of these, for four different reasons, as given in the edit summaries. In particular, I'd like to ask you what brought you to your opinion that it was written like an advertisement, as I cannot see anything that looks like an advertisement. Incidentally I didn't write the article (and didn't know until today that it existed), and I don't know or recognize the name of the editor who created it. Having said that, the article can stand a great deal of improvement, and I hope to start on this. Athel cb (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

The article has been edited since these tags were added, but a number of the issues remain. Notability needs to be demonstrated, not just claimed, so you as an editor saying "no one can doubt his notability" is not enough. The only sources on the article are his own works and you removing the "third party" template saying "this seems to be pure speculation" shows that you have not taken the time to understand what the issue is. I have restored that maintenance template and it should remain until independent, secondary sources are included. These will also help establish notability. Melcous (talk) 12:53, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. But you have not answered my specific question: "what brought you to your opinion that it was written like an advertisement?" Athel cb (talk) 14:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Athel cb, that was six years ago so I can't be specific about what I was thinking, but when I added that template, the article looked like this - it probably should have been moved to draft space as it was clearly not ready to be in the main encyclopaedia (which is what I would do today if I cam across an article like that - I'm assuming six years ago I did not have the confidence as an editor to make that call). I'm glad it has been improved somewhat since then and that particular tag removed, but as we have both already noted, there is still plenty of work to be done on it. Melcous (talk) 22:52, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I should have said yesterday that you are perfectly correct in saying that an unsupported statement by me doesn't demonstrate notability! I've been working on that today, and I hope a version giving evidence of notability will be ready in a day or two. Athel cb (talk) 12:34, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Dr Joy Alemazung mayor of Heubach page

Hello, I want to thank you for your help in the article, particularly, the formating and the 'citiation needed tags'. I have been able to provide many more citations that I believe are of very good quality.

I also added the english translation for the commentary of David Wagners assessment of his victory, which I believe is a neccessary additition. I am giving you this updates because I like and appreciate your contributions so far, and I want to know if I should be thinking of moving it to the main namespace soon, and any further advice you have on that. Looking forward to your response. Wikieditor1579 (talk) 18:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Why change fibre to fiber

In A. Heather Eliassen, you made many valuable corrections. You also changed fibre to fiber, but I think both spellings are acceptable. The article creator spelled (spelt?) it as fibre, but that is a correct spelling. Am I incorrect? I suspect the UK editors would prefer other editors not "correct" their spelling to that of their former colony. Cheers! Trilotat (talk) 12:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Trilotat per WP:ENGVAR, the article should use the English of the topic of the article, which in this case is a biography of an American person. The reference cited for her work also uses that spelling. Melcous (talk) 12:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

I see. Thank you. So, although I'm not of the UK, I must endeavor to use UK English if I generate an article about a Brit. I appreciate the clarification. Trilotat (talk) 12:42, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Your changes to articles I have written. Please notify these changes on Talk pages first instead of deleting them.

Melcous, I notice you have made deletions to two articles I recently wrote. One was the Peta Sherlock bio and the next one was the List of the first women ordained as priests in the Anglican Church of Australia in 1992. Although I eventually work out that you are following relevant WP guidelines (which I also try and do), it would be preferable if you foreshadowed or notified me of proposed deletions in the Talk pages of these articles. In the first case, your trimming of content from the Sherlock article meant that I had to reconstruct the reference list which was quite difficult. It became detached from the content and references disappeared. I also had to find the trimmed text and put it in different articles. In the second list article, you have deleted content which you say is editorial and belongs in the Talk page. I will now have to identify that content in the history and put it on the Talk page as I believe it is still valuable background. The reason I wrote some of that "editorial" content is to directly address the WP:SAL criteria for stand-alone lists, to show to other editors that it had followed guidelines and to give readers an understanding of where the list sits in the "Ordination of women" content and history on wikipedia. I will now have to find all that content again and place it elsewhere. It would have been simpler and more generous to discuss both with me first on the Talk pages. LPascal (talk) 03:13, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

LPascal while I appreciate your concerns, anyone can edit any wikipedia article at any time, and so the suggestion that an editor should be notified before doing so is not realistic, nor expected. I see now that you are the creator of those articles, but that does not mean you have any greater ownership of them than anyone else. In terms of your specific concerns, if you mean the single reference error that was created with this edit, that would have been fixed by a bot within a short period of time which is why I left it alone. In the second one, any commentary about editing an article should never be included in the main space of the encyclopedia, but nothing is ever lost, all content is retained in the edit history and so finding it to copy over is not at all difficult if you believe it is valuable to put on the talk page. Note, I'm not convinced it is - some of what was there is simply not how wikipedia works (e.g. additions can be made to any article at any time, and therefore do not need to be suggested on the talk page first). I understand it can feel frustrating if you feel like people are "messing with your work" but I would gently suggest that is not a helpful way to approach editing on wikipedia because it will simply lead to disappointment as those are not expectations that most editors are operating with. Melcous (talk) 04:37, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Please I need Your Guide On An Article!

Hi Melcous I hope you're doing well. I wanted to express my gratitude once again for your assistance in fixing my previous article. Your support was invaluable in helping me get it right. I'm reaching out to ask for your help in reviewing another article I've been working on. Before I publish it in my sandbox, I want to make sure it's free of any ambiguity and includes supported links, so it doesn't receive the same tags as my previous articles. If you have some spare time, I would appreciate it if you could take a look and provide any suggestions. Additionally, I made the suggested tweaks for Vusi Thembekwayo, but I'm unsure why the article is still tagged. I removed everything that was requested, but I'm puzzled about the reason behind it. I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on this matter as well. Thank you. Oceanview1590 (talk) 12:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Assistance request

Hello dear sir , Can I ask you cooperation in reviewing this article .

With regards Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 10:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

No, that is not a topic I have any interest in reviewing. Nor am I a sir. Melcous (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure Mrs Melcous , I am so grateful for your Your previous collaborations.

With your cooperation, I was able to become one of the good editors for Wikipedia. And I enjoy my work.

Thanks again

good time Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 15:04, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hello dear madam , Abdul ali faiq needs to be reviewed .

sincerely Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 20:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Robert Falcon Ouellette

where else can easily find this information. this was well sourced. 2604:3D09:A880:500:F429:747D:28CF:1DEA (talk) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I am a Poli Sci prof in Calgary. This guy was pretty amazing. Why did he second those Bill some which would piss off the government. Ouellette in my research seemed to know how to send a message to the government on various policies. 2604:3D09:A880:500:F429:747D:28CF:1DEA (talk) 13:28, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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Removal of Rugby Addition to St. Aidan's College, Durham article

Hi, I am a student at his college and have been tasked by the JCR President to edit the wikipedia article to be more informative regarding the college and what's available in it as part of an initiative to improve our image for students looking for which college to apply to at Durham University. This I am to do in a neutral way by simply showing the possible societies at the college. Prior to my edit, there existed a rugby section on the article, I simply added more detail to it.

I am unable to provide sources because such sources do not really exist. I cannot cite a book or website when describing the rugby club for example or any other society. I have noticed people undoing my edits but I think it is clear that the edits I add are reputable as I am a member of the college. Avessinus (talk) 15:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Avessinus and thanks for your message. As you are a student at the college and have been asked to edit by someone else connected to it, you have a clear conflict of interest and should read and abide by the linked guidelines - in general, you should suggest edits on the talk page rather than editing the article directly. You should also point the President to wikipedia's Paid editing guidelines and ensure s/he understands that wikipedia is not interested in improving the college's image - that is what their own website is for. This is an encyclopedia and as such only includes verifiable information. That means, if there are no reliable independent secondary sources for information, then it should not be included. Thank you Melcous (talk) 06:19, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Gerhard Fischer (professor)

I have analyzed numerous other pages for individuals and the page for Gerhard is as "neutral" as they are.

Please advise me what I need to do to make the page more neutral and encyclopedic and less "like a resume" Haleden (talk) 02:10, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Haleden as you have seen, I have made some edits to the article to address the issues and removed the resume like tag - although there remains work to be done on the article, particularly to find independent sources. Thanks Melcous (talk) 08:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

can you point out which "sources too closely associated with the subject" to help improve the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haleden (talk • contribs) 17:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Haleden, sources which are not independent would include those written by Fischer, and those published by places he works for. Melcous (talk) 09:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I have included a third-party reference. Is that sufficient to remove the third-party macro? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haleden (talk • contribs) 13:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Haleden, no including one random third party reference (which is not integrated into the article) is not the solution. The goal is that the whole article overall is reasonably well sourced and content verified by independent sources. Melcous (talk) 14:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I was going based on something on Wikipedia: Independent Sources which said "{{Third-party}}, to tag pages that contain zero independent or third-party sources"

I agree that more is needed, but it is an attempt at a start. I do not appreciate your calling it "random"--it was carefully researched to find something from a third-party. I do not find that helpful or welcoming at all. Haleden (talk) 03:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

How to remove Deletion notification tag

will you share suggestion on how to remove deletion tag on wiki article. Julie11094 (talk) 13:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Julie11094 I will not discuss anything with you until you have complied with the paid editing disclosure. Melcous (talk) 14:47, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Ehud Shapiro

Hi Melcous, about a month ago you put a template on an entry I intensively edited, Ehud Shapiro. I took care of the citations per this demand. Could you please remove the template? This will be well appreciated. Best, Qdotz. קוונטום דוץ (talk) 10:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

How can I submit a page update if I am not permited to use the Edit Request Wizard?

In your statement you state that I must submit any requests for content updates relating to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unify_(company) and I must use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. As I am employee of Atos.

However if I go to 'Request Wizard' it states that I must ‘Disclose payment’. I have been asked to update the company website by my manager. There is no additional specific payment being made for me to update the Wikipedia web page for the company.

I have already disclosed that I am employed by Atos.

When I try and access the page to ‘Create edit request’ the page states “You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:”

So how can I raise a request for the web page to be updated!

Thank you.

CarltonLangton (talk) 09:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

CarltonLangton thanks for following this process and for reaching out with your question. As you have already made the disclosure on your user page, when you go to the Edit Request Wizard, you should just be able to go to the box for either small or large request (as appropriate) and enter the name of the page - Unify (company) - and click create edit request. That will take you to the talk page and outline what you need to include. I'm not sure what is going wrong, but I am wondering if you have added details like the https:// as you have above for the page name? If so, it is literally just the title of the article that goes in the box (so just the word Unify followed by the word company in brackets), nothing more. Thanks Melcous (talk) 12:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Question

In your edit of Gordon W. Blackwell, you removed a list of accomplishments during his tenure. Please explain why. Mgrē@sŏn (Talk) 11:14, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Mgreason I removed them because they read like a resume - and none of them were specifically linked to him, just what occurred while he was in the role. That is the kind of thing institutions say about themselves (and was solely sourced to the institution's website), not what should be in an encyclopedic biography. It would be far better to include what third party sources say about the person who is the subject of the biography.Melcous (talk) 11:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Zearn

Can you give your thoughts on Zearn? The sourcing and tone is quite biased. There are quite a few screen shots in there and they were all uploaded by Henderson and all the copyright releases are in place, which is rather unusual amount of effort to invest into the background work. I feel this might be coordinated between the subject company and the editor in question and I wanted to get another set of eyes on it. Graywalls (talk) 20:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Graywalls I've had a look through and made even more significant cuts in an attempt to make it more neutral and encyclopedic, and less what the company says about itself. Cheers, Melcous (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you also feel undisclosed paid editing maybe at hand? Graywalls (talk) 23:30, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Graywalls, I'm not sure about paid, but from a quick google and the editor's previous history, I can't help but wonder if they have a family member who works for the company and thus a WP:COI. Melcous (talk) 23:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

If you looked at the info on the screen shots that was present, they're all from zearn.org and there's OTRS ticket on file for all of them. Only someone on behalf of Zearn.org can sign away copyright for their stuff, so I feel like there's been behind the scene coordination to prepare for article creation. Graywalls (talk) 23:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah ok, that does sound like it. I've left a COI disclosure request on the creator's talk page. Melcous (talk) 00:05, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk about a can-o-worm we opened up. Graywalls (talk) 15:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Graywalls, can-o-worms indeed! Thanks for pointing it out though - so far every paid article disclosed is significantly problematic. I'm concerned that the responses we're getting are all very "pat", saying exactly what we ask/want to hear, without demonstrating any real understanding of the issues. Do you think its time for ANI? Melcous (talk) 21:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Graywalls:, @Netherzone: thanks for your help on this. Like you guys, I've been trying to go through some of these many articles and am ever more frustrated at the style of trivial, hyper-local, and poorly sourced writing masquerading as encyclopedic content. I can't quite believe that I've just removed the sentence His funeral took place on Thursday morning with many of his close friends attending. from a biography [1]! Melcous (talk) 12:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Editing of Mudjekeewis D. Santos page

Hi! Thank you for reviewing the Mudjekeewis D. Santos page. I am a new editor, I hope you could help me improve the "Early life and education" section of the page so the tag could be removed. Thank you. I'm trying to find other citations for that section now. VME1500 (talk) 07:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I added additional references now to the page. Thank you. VME1500 (talk) 07:21, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

MerlinsMagic

Draft:Lori Heyman Gordon I just happened to notice you've moved this to draft while I was going through old stuff. Did you happen to see this? COI/N about MerlinsMagic Graywalls (talk) 01:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@Graywalls: no I hadn't seen that, thanks. I moved it because it was in Wikipedia rather than article space, but this confirms it was a decision that could have been made for multiple reasons! Melcous (talk) 23:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Create an article based upon me

I'd like to recommend I be allowed to create an article on myself please? GregoryJGarrett (talk) 14:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

GregoryJGarrett, as you have been advised multiple times on your talk page, wikipedia is not the place for personal profiles. Nothing you have previously written demonstrates that you are notable, and a quick google search does not show up any reason why you would meet the criteria for an article. If for some reason you can demonstrate that you meet WP:ANYBIO, then you should only edit using the WP:AFC process to create a draft that can be reviewed by others and not published by you. You should also read WP:PROUD about why having a wikipedia article about yourself is not alwasy a good idea. Melcous (talk) 22:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Why professional wrestlers get a article on them And I don't? GregoryJGarrett (talk) 10:56, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I do not take notes for self-promotion or to present some truth.

I am not sure why you propose to delete the notes that I am taking with the only goal to improve Epistemology. Perhaps, you got confused by the fact that I have written a small paragraph with my personal opinion, but this is less than 1% of these notes and the idea is that it useful that editors know what other editors have understood from the sources - it is still all about sources. Dominic Mayers (talk) 15:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

this editor has been previously active outside user space in their declared prior (lost) account. I am removing the CSD on that basis. @Dominic Mayers I suggest that you perform a body of mainspace edits. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:45, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, of course, I very much want to do that and I am thinking about that all the times. It should happen relatively soon. Please understand that there is a lot of view points about beliefs, etc. and the current article is not neutral at all, but I need to be sure that I covered the sources correctly. It is also that this is an old article with some people "protecting it", naturally thinking in good faith that it is the result of a long consensus, despite the fact that it is very much not neutral, but I need a good review of sources to make this clear. Dominic Mayers (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Sathya_Sai_International_Organization

This note has to do with wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Sathya_Sai_International_Organization . You were right in deleting my big change; I was wrong in adding a lot of info before looking carefully at the talk page, and wrong for another reason.

I am a past officer of the Sri_Sathya_Sai_International_Organization (https://www.sathyasai.org), and having this wikipedia page in its present state does not speak well of the organization. Thar is why I took a long time to build a page and then insert it. But I forgot completely about conflict of interest; it was against Wikipedia rules for me to do that! I'm wondering if I can update the page in pieces, under your supervision, being extremely careful to (1) verify everything possible and (2) stay away from self-promotion statements. I would start by adding the following note to the talk page of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Sathya_Sai_International_Organization.

Proposal to expand this site The Sri Sathya Sai International Organization (SSSIO) has been existence for a long time. Here is its webpage: https://www.sathyasai.org We are interested in seeing its wikipedia page expanded into a reasonable description of the SSSIO and its activities. I can do this, but I would need supervision because I have a conflict of interest: I was previously an officer of the SSSIO. As a start, I would propose to change it to include (only) the lede (information before the table of contents) that can be found in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DavidGries/sandbox . Thereafter, if it is deemed appropriate, I could add one section at a time, under supervision, until a reasonable site has been developed. DavidGries (talk) 13:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@DavidGries:, thank you for your explanation. As you have a conflict of interest, you are requested not to directly edit the article at all. Instead, you should suggest changes on its talk page, making sure to provide reliable, independent sources when you do so. The easiest way to do this is to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thank you Melcous (talk) 14:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Sources for the page on Robert H. Meneilly

This page ( Robert H. Meneilly ) was tagged for "rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject" and asked to "improve it by replacing them with more appropriate citations to reliable, independent, third-party sources."

In response to that I would say that:
a) I've endeavored to reference any fact listed on the page. If anyone can see one that I have not, I would be happy to either find a reference or remove the fact.
b) Several sources were given that are not closely associated with the subject:

• www.presbyterianmission.org
• shawneemissionpost.com
• www.kansascity.com (Kansas City Star newspaper)
• www.monmouthcollege.edu
• www.jcprd.com
• www.mainstreamcoalition.org
• www.washingtonpost.com
• www.bizjournals.com
• www.au.org (Americans United)
• documents.adventistarchives.org
  c) Of the sources that are admittedly close to the subject, there are:
• www.villagepres.org ... The website of the church that he founded. Are we saying that what a church said about its founder is unreliable?
• The only other such references come when the page talks about stances that the subject took (often controversial ones for someone in his position such as environmental protection, civil rights, separation of church and state, etc) and so I thought the *best* way to source those comments was to link to audio recordings where the user could actually hear those stances in Meneilly's own words, which I would consider far more authoritative to the subject at hand than some journalistic report about what he was supposed to have said.

Having said all of that, if there are references that, if replaced, would improve this page, then please let me know so that I can do so.

Note: I've added the above comment to the Talk for the page ( Talk:Robert_H._Meneilly#Sources for the page on Robert H. Meneilly ) in case you would rather discuss it at that location than this. TDinKS (talk) 18:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Jim May

Hi, I understand you removed the ‘unreliable sources’ for good reason. However, I also added further information to other previous references, so is it possible for you to take a closer look at some of my edits that had nothing to do with ‘unreliable sources’. Thanks. Carey3146 (talk) 02:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Carey3146 if you make a single edit that includes such a blatant misrepresentation, then you can expect it to be reverted, no matter what else is done at the same time. It is up to you make smaller less controversial edits if they do not include this. Melcous (talk) 02:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok Carey3146 (talk) 02:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

• The article is now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim May (chemical engineer) where all opinions are welcome. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:26, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Timtrent I wonder if there is a WP:COI issue - given the creator of the article has uploaded the infobox photo as their own work? Melcous (talk) 13:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I consider that there is, despite assurances that there is not. Wikipedia, however, must take the assurances at face value. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Please see the ongoing discussion on Who's Who, The Australian edition at WP:RSN which is highly suggestive of the primary nature entries here.

The discussion is by no means concluded, but its progress is interesting 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:47, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Mass AFD nominations

May I ask why you're mass nominating for deletion well-developed articles of historical sea captains for deletion, considering they're all created by the same exact user? Nominating so many articles can cause great stress and discouragement to the user who's having so much of their work all considered for deletion all at the same time (it's happened to me before, albeit at a much lesser scale - and it was still very stressing for me, so I can't imagine how it feels for that user). BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:14, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

BeanieFan11 if you look at the editor's talk page, including the last couple of archives, you will see that this is part of an ongoing discussion around significant conflict of interest as well as paid editing, as well as the creation of a walled garden of articles around certain topics using sources that often do not verify the content included or do not provide significant coverage. Happy for you to look into it and if you think there are legitimate notability factors for some of the subjects of articles, please point out which ones and why, but unfortunately focusing on how the editor feels about this is something that should not come into it. Melcous (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

BeanieFan11 thank you for striking your comment about harrassment. Cheers, Melcous (talk) 22:00, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I wonder if some sort of community arrangements can be made allowing the use of PRODs on Greg authored articles such anyone but Greg can petition the PROD as to save community resources processing Greg article AfDs. Graywalls (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I have worked it out (0.85 probability)

Partly this is though authorship of an obscure pamphlet on a local church currently in Draft. I feel we are trying to educate an academic in the ways of Wikipedia. You may have read WP:ACADEME. I fear we may be unsuccessful. I think I've been trying for over year now. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I have an unsubmitted draft that may interest you

This draft is almost unsourceable, yet I am pretty sure the subject is academically notable, being cited reasonably highly despite working in a niche field. Are you ablate finding obvious sources that might allow it to survive as an article? wikidata:Q93241403 suggests him to have been prolific, but no news coverage appears to exist. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:32, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

GNG / NCORP

What do you think of Don Chow Tacos ? Just like those Greg related still alive questionable notability BLPs, the articles about recent era questionable notability people, companies and products, record labels, actors and such are arguably more problematic than those decades ago. There are a ton of them too. Graywalls (talk) 07:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@Graywalls: Wow. That was heavily promotional for a food truck that was operational for 6 years and has been closed for 8?! I've taken a heavy scapel to it as well as putting a notability tag on it. Melcous (talk) 08:28, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

If that's bad, see these (two out of too many to list out) ReAnimator Coffee and Guy Fieri's Flavortown Kitchen. When you browse through categories such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Restaurants_established_in_2021 you'll see just how bad companies, people and products articles can be. I feel non-notable company pages of present day relevance that essentially use Wikipedia as auxiliary websites is a higher priority than things from 19th century. WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS isn't an argument to avoid deletion but these make all those sea captain articles look benign. Graywalls (talk) 09:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! Melcous (talk) 09:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

COIN - Carey3146

I have just made a formal proposal at the current foot of this topic. I am leaving this message on all this discussion's participants' talk pages to draw attention to the proposal. Your opinion, whatever it may be, is welcome at that proposal 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Village Presbyterian Church

On the Village Presbyterian Church (Prairie Village, Kansas) page, I see that you recently made 3 changes. I agree with the first 2, but the 3rd one you say Wiki is not a directory. The reason I disagree about this deletion is that the text is not a directory, no email or phone number or address information is listed. Only names, titles, and start dates. I take that as informational about the subject, not a directory for contacting these folks. TDinKS (talk) 14:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

TDinKS, thanks for your message, and I understand that that may have been an unhelpful shorthand explanation for my edit. But the fact remains that none of these people are notable, and the information is sourced only to the church's own website - which is where it belongs, not in an encyclopedia. Another editor has already removed it again. If you disagree, feel free to start a discussion on the talk page, but I think it is clear that a listing of current staff is not encyclopedic information for a church. Melcous (talk) 19:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Let's agree to disagree. I can understand the subject of the page needing to be "notable". But does every piece of information about the subject need to be notable also? If that's the rule-of-thumb, then nearly every page in Wikipedia needs to be cut back all over the place. For example, Big Ten Conference:

• Listing the amount that each football coach is paid? Is that really "notable"?
• Sentences like "As intercollegiate football rapidly increased during the 1890s, so did the ruthless nature of the game. Tempers flared, fights erupted, and injuries soared." Notable?
• Or "Missouri showed interest in Big Ten membership after Penn State joined." Never joined, just had interest, notable?
• Listing a ton of details about their Broadcasting and media rights?

These are all interesting pieces of information, ones that I enjoy reading, but if the standard is "notable", I don't think any of them (or a ton others) meet that standard.

Having said all that, I'm not going to pursue this point. 172.56.249.90 (talk) 21:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry ... that previous reply was me ... I forgot to log in. TDinKS (talk) 22:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@TDinKS:, see WP:OSE - it doens't really matter what is in other articles, but no not every single fact in an article itself needs to be "notable". But it is a generally accepted principle here that lists of names of people within articles should usually include only those who are notable. An exception might be where an independent reliable source makes mention of people specifically in regard to a topic, but simply copying a list of employees from any organisation's own website is not what this project is for. Thanks Melcous (talk) 20:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Repeated Deletion of Information - Unprofessional Conduct

I am writing to bring to your attention a concerning issue regarding a specific Wikipedia user Melcous who has been consistently deleting posted information and articles despite the presence of reliable sources both internally and externally and adherence to Wikipedia's guidelines. User: Melcous Behavior: The user, Melcous, has repeatedly deleted information and articles from Wikipedia pages without reasonable justification or consensus from other editors. The deleted content is well-sourced, follows Wikipedia's guidelines, and is relevant to the respective articles. Problem: This behavior not only disrupts the collaborative editing process but also hampers the integrity of Wikipedia as a reliable source of information. It creates a hostile editing environment that is not conducive to productive collaboration. Evidence: Attached are specific examples of Melcous's deletions that violated Wikipedia's content guidelines. The removed content includes verifiable information and citations. Request: I kindly request that Wikipedia administrators investigate this matter and take appropriate action to address the user's disruptive behavior. I believe that persistent deletion of verifiable information, especially without consensus or valid reasons, violates Wikipedia's policies. Jasonnsg23 (talk) 05:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Jasonnsg23 this is my talk page so I'm not sure why you are posting this here - if you want to engage in a constructive conversation with me you may do so, otherwise do not post here. Let me spell it out for you:

• I did not delete what you wrote - an administrator did that;
• What you wrote was entirely promotional and suggested you are writing about a business you have a conflict of interest with or are paid to write about, which is a violation of wikipedia's guidelines;
• Your comment here says you have "attached specific example" when you have done no such thing;
• And you did not provide reliable sources for the content you posted, you simply linked to other wikipedia articles and to business pages

Melcous (talk) 11:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Article deletion

Hello,

I notice you've marked that the page has not met the markers for notability. Could you guide me on what else you'd like to see? The company has featured multiple times in main stream media and has 1.2 million members. It has produced its own analysis based on ONS data that highlights the challenges faced by the over 50s. This analysis has been used by multiple mainstream media outlets that will be influencing social change.

There are a number of citations that link and evidence this. I can add more? Keen to understand what needs to be done here.

Thank you Beanislife (talk) 13:06, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I've just read WP:AFC apologies. I will go through that. Beanislife (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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Please undo my deleted article

Hi Melcous,

Please restore my deleted article as I would like to rectify my mistake. Hafizastronaut (talk) 07:35, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Musica Viva

Hi Just to let you know thar I'm still working on this article and intend find some sources and condense and do a slash and burn of the rest. So it's actually easier to have the unsourced content there for a little longer. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Lewis Josselyn

It looks like Henderson is plotting out re-creation of consensus deleted NN bio page on this guy again. Graywalls (talk) 22:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Saint Stephen's Church, Nijmegen

Your recent reversion appears somewhat odd as it claims "advertisement" whereas my only change was to the sequence and grammar, which led to a misleading understanding of the church function, which is mainly used as a visitor attraction. My guess is that you have never been here and so cannot understand its function.--Stephencdickson (talk) 11:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Stephencdickson you still do not appear to have learned how to comment on content rather than on editors. You know nothing about where I have been or my understanding, so please try to refrain from making assumptions about me. My edit summary was pointing out the fact that wikipedia is not an advertisement, ie, that content about the opening hours and cost (or lack of cost) for visiting do not belong here, particularly when they are completely unsourced. Melcous (talk) 11:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. That was choice. Why didn't supply any references. Since when is it cool to add unsourced content to an unsourced article, so that somebody else is left to source it. scope_creep^Talk 12:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi there, I'd be grateful if you could reply to the letter on my talk page responding to the reasons for your deletion of my page. Thanks very much. Maggicmoggy (talk) 09:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Maggicmoggy I did not delete the article (note, it is not "your page"), I moved it to the draft space. You should use the WP:AFC process to submit it for review. Melcous (talk) 09:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I used 'my page' in the colloquial sense. I realise the page doesn't belong to me. Apologies for not being literal, which I know is a problem for some people. Thank you so much for your guidance. I think you'll find that you can do the same job on Wiki, and get much further with less conflict, if you are just a little more kind to people. I'm sorry if that offends you. The truth is some of us are new here and have found this process extremely confusing and difficult. It really helps if people explain, rather than take the line that we are acting in a criminal way against Wiki. It's simply ignorance. I'm a very experienced editor and this kind of welcome really doesn't encourage me to want to get involved. I hope my words don't offend, I'm sure you're doing your job to the best of your ability, but the reproachful tone does seem rather excessive. 91.125.5.185 (talk) 10:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I can't actually find it now, let alone put a code on it. Maggicmoggy (talk) 10:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Maggicmoggy I'm sorry you find my tone "reproachful" but that is your read not my intention - that's the problem with written communication, you simply can't know someone's tone, all you have to go on is the words, which is why their meaning matters so much. You can find the draft easily by looking at your contributions, or simply by going to Draft:Boo Sutcliffe. Melcous (talk) 10:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I've done this now. Maggicmoggy (talk) 10:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Jason Boyarski Article - Deleted edit

Hi Melcous,

I am following up to your note regarding the edits that you deleted that were recently made to this page. I had already added the suggested edits to the Talk page back in October but they were not noted or reviewed. Can someone please review and add these back? The edits are factual, non-promoting career achievements that include links and citations.

I greatly appreciate your feedback and assistance.

Beegirl33 (talk) 21:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Beegirl33, a few things:

1. you need to use an edit request template in order to let people know that you have made a request on the talk page. The easiest to use is the Wikipedia: Edit request wizard
2. you may need to be patient. Wikipedia is run by volunteers, and just because it takes time is not a good enough reason for you to edit the article yourself against the WP:PAID guidelines
3. you marked your edit as WP:MINOR when it was clearly not
4. the content you added (and that you have suggested on the talk page) is not "non-promoting" but is written in a way that reads like it was written by/for your client (e.g. words like "iconic", "legend" and "high profile" are not neutral and will never be acceptable here)
5. adding lists of his clients is not encyclopedic content. They would only be able to be added if reliable, independent sources had for some reason named them in connection to him and even then there might be discussion about the encyclopedic value

I would suggest your review your request and consider if there is anything in the article that is factually incorrect or missing that a neutral encyclopedia reader would need to know, rather than what he would want to say about himself, and either focus on that, or as previously advised, focused on editing other articles where you do not have a WP:COI and are not being paid. Thanks Melcous (talk) 23:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Re: User talk:SCD software development

Fyi, when the account's edits relate to or reference the org username, you can go straight to WP:UAA rather than needing to warn. Uhai (talk) 15:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Please revert

Your change after "Author" makes no sense. Instead, please revert to the original adding the seven NY Times hardcover bestseller citations below as originally requested. Thanks! The Season: https://www.salon.com/1999/12/02/palmbeach_2/ https://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/12/business/business-best-sellers.html?searchResultPosition=7 In the President's Secret Service https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/2009/09/06/hardcover-nonfiction/ The First Family Detail https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/2014/08/24/hardcover-nonfiction/ Inside the White House https://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/05/books/best-sellers-march-5-1995.html The Secrets of the FBI https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/2011/08/28/hardcover-nonfiction/ A Matter of Character https://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/12/books/arts/best-sellers-september-12-2004.html?searchResultPosition=10 Laura Bush https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/books/arts/best-sellers-april-23-2006.html?searchResultPosition=6KesslerRonald (talk) 16:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Ronald Kessler

KesslerRonald I removed the claim because it was unsourced. I have added it back with an independent source. Melcous (talk) 21:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

KesslerRonald, concerns about the details of the article belong on its talk page, not here. You should be careful to abide by WP:COI. The article was completely cherry picked to only include quotes that were flattering to you. You do not own this article and you do not get to dictate what is included in it. If there are factual errors, use the COI edit request tools to propose changes and let neutral editors decide. Melcous (talk) 21:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

OK, but below is of critical importance:

From Wikipedia on using Media Matters as a source:

Partisan sources

Extremely partisan sources, such as the progressive Media Matters for America and Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting, and the conservative Media Research Center, Newsmax, World Net Daily and Newsbusters, are of limited utility at Wikipedia. These should never be used as sources of fact in the article mainspace, due to their poor history of fact-checking and their practice of editing out of context, spin-doctoring, selective presentation of the facts, and general partisan mendacity. They always weigh in on one side of every issue, and consistently display little regard for actual facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/Hyperpartisan_Sources_1 KesslerRonald (talk) 23:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Charles Stiebel (medical missionary)

Hello, Melcous,

An article creator has the right to object to draftification and move an article from Draft space back to main space. You shouldn't draftify an article more than once. If it still seems unsatisfactory to you, you can a) try to improve the article yourself, b) tag it with an indication of problems that exist and where improvement is needed or c) pursue one of our deletion options. But you shouldn't get into a move war with another editor. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:52, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks I was unaware of this. It seems to result in an odd outcome in this case when the mainspace article was literally labelled a draft, but I get that that is what the guideline says. Melcous (talk) 22:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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Tamás Székely (biologist)

Dear Melcous, thank you for keeping an eye to this page. I noticed that you added a third-party sources notification. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia. Can you help me point out which specific phrases or sentences are the ones that need more sources?

It seems to me that the text is quite neutral and it can be veriable through the citations displayed in the page. But probably I'm wrong. Can you guide me with this?

Thank you,

All the best, Oscar.garcia.miranda (talk) 09:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Oscar.garcia.miranda. The issue is not about the text being neutral or verifiable, but rather that the majority of sources seem to be connected to the subject himself. We are lokign for what other people say about him. So, for example, the whole Work section is predominantly sourced to what he has written, rather than what other people have written about his work. Thanks, Melcous (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I see, sorry for my confusion. Thank you, Melcous. Oscar.garcia.miranda (talk) 11:00, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Charles King Van Riper

Do you think this one passes WP:ANYBIO? It's extensively based on primary sources, government records, and a magazine article written by his grandson. Graywalls (talk) 23:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Please, review your tags

Hello Melcous, please, review your tags on Jeremiah Dermot O'Connell, as he meets WP:ANYBIO and all citations are verifiable. Regards. Bemmax (talk) 23:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Bemmax which of the three criteria of WP:ANYBIO does he meet? Melcous (talk) 08:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, he meets 1 & 2. Bemmax (talk) 08:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Bemmax I do not see how he can possibly meet 2 Generally, a person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books in that field, by historians; and I'm not seeing either the sourcing or the wikipedia article to demonstrate that any award he has received rises to the level required by 1. Melcous (talk) 10:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Melcous, I didn't think of it in that way. I thought if one holds an unprecedented and "widely recognized contribution" that is widely published, it would be enough to say it's an enduring historical record. Historical records are not only curated in books. They can be curated in any published format, newspapers, documentaries, etc. And in this case we have a lot of newspapers doing so. In the course of writing this article, I learned of at least two biographical books on the subject mentioned in some articles but I couldn't lay my hands on any. I can't think of any school principal anywhere in the world that has served in the same capacity for half-a-century. The closest I know is 43 years, and with extant public service laws in Nigeria at least, it will be impossible to have any school principal spend more than 20 years in that position ever again. Be that as it may, except I'm reading WP:ANYBIO wrongly, I think the three criteria stand independently - meeting one is sufficient to pass notability. Member of the Order of the Federal Republic (MFR) is one of the highest awards anyone can receive in Nigeria. The honour is guided by an Act of Parliament and only the president of Nigeria sanctions it. There is no award in Nigeria that is more notable than the national honours. If it can't be recognized as what it is then it means no awards from Nigeria would pass ANYBIO (1), and I doubt if that's the case. Bemmax (talk) 02:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Bemmax: like most national honours, the Order of the Federal Republic has various tiers. It would seem obvious that those who receive Commander would meet ANYBIO #1 simply by virtue of the award, and perhaps it could be argued about Officer, but Member is a lower tier. There have been many previous discussions about the ANYBIO criteria regarding the orders of the UK, Canada, Australia etc all of which have concluded that Member is not sufficient (see here for example). So that award in and of itself is not sufficient to meet this criteria (nor is it properly sourced in the article). So, again, ANYBIO is not met here. Melcous (talk) 07:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I wanted to create some new pages so I went to the WikiProject Nigeria page to get some suggestions, and I found him and a few topics I thought were notable and interesting enough and did. I must say that I have learnt a lot from this discussion and I find your arguments compelling. I have always assumed that anyone with a national honours meets this criteria. For it being properly sourced, I have searched for the official gazette of the award online to no avail. But there are several Nigerian national newspapers that have written about it. So, I believe that to be a fact. In the course of searching, I have come across many other sources that have written about him, including an elaborate news report on the Nigerian Television Authority. Thank you for taking time to explain. Regards. Bemmax (talk) 10:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Robert Gant update deletion

hello, i made factual changes on his page about his performing arts background that are also verifiable in a Penn Gazette article, that were now deleted twice, and also fixed a broken reference link which you reset back to the broken link. can you please tell me why you removed my changes? Mirth1220 (talk) 09:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Mirth1220 as I noted in the edit summary, I reverted your edit becasue it added content, including a quote, without providing a source. I did not change the link you updated in the early life section. Thank you Melcous (talk) 10:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

ok i re-added the changes before the reference number 2, as both of the performing arts groups i added are mentioned in that article. the information is accurate. Mirth1220 (talk) 10:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

About removal of section from article - Latitudes of Longing

Hey Melcous,

Thank you for looking at my page and putting in the time to edit it. I'm curious as to why the Academic reference section does not meet the requisite standards. I'm not contesting your edit, simply trying to understand the reason so I can avoid things like these in the future as a writer. For eg: for the other edit you mentioned the term 'award-winning' was puffery, that makes sense to me.

About this article - it was originally going to be a stub but as I found more information about it, it made sense to expand it. But if some types of information (PDFs etc) do not meet policy, I'll make sure not to include them in future articles. Please let me know what the issue was. Thanks again. Sprucedotterel (talk) 07:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Sprucedotterel: thanks for your message and for your openness to learning - that is a great attitude to have as a new editor here. A few responses:

• The main issue was WP:OR - wikipedia does not allow original research. That is, you as the editor of wikipedia should not be going and finding the academic papers (which are primary sources) that write about this book and then putting that in the article. You would need an independent, reliable, secondary source that talks about academic writing about the book to include this kind of content, and you would reference this to the secondary source, not the papers themselves
• Another issue is WP:EL - external links to websites outside wikipedia should not be included within the body of an article
• Something to watch out for is how you have spoken about this article here, calling it "my page". Wikipedia articles are not owned by anyone, including those who write them or who they are about, so it is best not to speak of them this way - see WP:OWN
• Finally, I note that the two articles you have written are about this book and its author. Do you have any connection with that author? Please read the conflict of interest guidelines - WP:COI - and ensure you comply with them.

Thank you Melcous (talk) 08:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey Melcous,

Thanks for the quick response. I've read the WP:COI guidelines, I don't have a connection with the author, but I understand it appears that way because these are the only articles I've written so far. It was originally a single long article, but I found it difficult to execute that so broke it into two. You'll find in the edit history of the author's article, a lot of material that's now in LoL was there earlier.

I didn't know about WP:OR, honestly that's a relief. Because in trying to be diligent with my research, I took on a lot of pressure over the last 6 months. Now that I know some parts weren't necessary, the next article should become easier to write.

WP:EL was also pointed out by another editor earlier, and "my page" was an honest mistake. I'll be mindful of these in the future.

Have a great day Melcous, this exchange was valuable to me as a new writer. Thank you once again. Sprucedotterel (talk) 09:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Sprucedotterel: thanks for your response and for explaining about the focus - it's good to get the conflict of interest question out of the way up front. With WP:OR, I think that is one of the things that can be hard to get your head around (especially if you are used to doing other kinds of research or academic writing) but is really key to editing here. Think of wikipedia as a tertiary source - our goal is to bring together what reliable secondary sources have already said about a topic, rather than do our own research. As you have said, that can relieve some pressure, and also helps make sure what we write is independently verifiable. You're doing great, and the posture you have shown in engaging here will stand you in good stead. If you have questions along the way, feel free to reach out again, or check out the WP:TEAHOUSE if you haven't already. Happy editing! Melcous (talk) 11:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

(and oops, I spelled your user name wrong - here's the real ping Sprucedotterel :) Melcous (talk) 11:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I was about to ask earlier if I can reach out to you if I have questions in the future, but seeing as you're inundated with those kind of requests already I decided not to. Thank you for offering to help, I now have a guide on Wikipedia ☺️

I'll see you in the field Melcous. Cheers! Sprucedotterel (talk) 12:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Are you a Payed Contributor ?

in a discussion User talk:Philodemous I find it very disturbing that you said that have edited thousands of Wikipedia pages. Thousands (plural) is a bit much for what is supposed to be a voluntary contribution. Are you by any chance a paid contributor WP:PAID? In that case, I think you should issue a disclaimer and clarify your position.WP:PCD WP:DISCLOSEPAY WP:PAYDISCLOSE Philodemous (talk) 13:32, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to note that the same user made the same unwarranted accusation on my talk page. —St.Nerol (talk, contribs) 14:55, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

So what ? In truth, it is not an accusation but a question. Just answer it ! By the way I also explained why I ask it and reason are slightly different reason. It seems to me that you did the same on my page, and you had no problem doing it Philodemous (talk) 15:04, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

It is quite typical and predictable that those who find themselves caught out editing with a WP:COI or for pay start throwing around the same accusations at others. As I have said multiple times, I have never edited for pay, nor will I. I'm happy to let my edit history here speak for itself.

But on the pedantic point of "thousands", I haven't thought too much about so these accusations got me interested. I have made 115,000+ edits in ten years and created 240 new articles, but yes, it seems from the logs that I have edited somewhere in the vicinity of 69,000 unique pages (although only 75% of my edits are in main space, so perhaps only 50,000 unique articles). That's what you get for doing lots of gnoming edits here I guess :) Melcous (talk) 20:07, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. scope_creep^Talk 22:48, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

I've wasted a couple of hours just following your work because it's entertaining… you are tirelessly, relentlessly holding back the tide of self-promotion that eternally threatens to engulf this encyclopedia. Llajwa (talk) 03:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC) Llajwa (talk) 03:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Greetings

Hello, I saw you draftified Lifestyle and Mental Health, an article I wrote about an article. I've userified it for myself to work on now. I've never used any of the spaces / processes / bureaucracies you suggest I use, FWIW. Personally, I think the article clearly establishes how it meets WP:GNG. Additionally, the current external links section, which you can see at the userified version, links to two additional articles independent of the subject that discuss the subject at length. This is congruent to how a book becomes notable, with independent reviews. Is there some new prohibition on wp:stubs I'm unaware of? Is there some reason why preserving the contributions I've made is against the interests of the encyclopedia? And by the way, if you're interested in draftifying something else, I'd suggest Therapeutic Lifestyle Change (depression treatment), which is promotional branding (IMO) for one academic instead of a reasoned and balanced approach to a generalizeable term. I found that article (ping to the author User:Sallyboy's Knowledge) while trying to wp:build the web. I think that article needs a fundamental re-write and is unencyclopedic at face value. Seeing that wp:draftifying articles is not supposed to be a backdoor to deletion, what gives? Why take something out of mainspace because an {{expand section}} template is used? Furthermore, you didn't provide a notification to myself, the author, despite the guidance at wp:draftify. Was there a consensus reached somewhere I'm unaware of for the draftifying of the article? I find this all bizarre and not good practice, per wp:draftify. Luckily, I count myself as a seasoned editor, and I sincerely hope you're aren't biting the newbies. Thank you for your consideration. Biosthmors (talk) 19:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Biosthmors, and thanks for your message. First, my apologies for the lack of notification to you - I use twinkle so that should have automatically happened, and I'm never sure when it doesn't work quite what I have done to upset it, but I understand that from the other end that doesn't matter and so I do apologise. It may that a different editor would have instead added an expansion template. But for me, as noted in my edit summary, it was a combination of a section that contained empty headings + a section that was simply a quote + the fact that it is an article on a single journal article (not saying those shouldn't exist, just that out of all the journal articles in the world, very few would meet WP:N) + some WP:MOS issues, that together made a new article that had not been edited for 5 days look like it was not ready for main space. I absolutely agree, draftifying is not meant to be a backdoor to deletion, but rather to allow time and space for the draft's improvement, which was my intention here. Thank you Melcous (talk) 22:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Biosthmors (talk) 14:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Requesting help with 'copy editing' template message

Hey Melcous, thank you again for looking at the other article - Shubhangi Swarup. Could I request you to remove the copy editing template message on it, if you feel it satisfies Wikipedia standards of tone and grammar? It was placed on the article many community edits ago, and I'm not able to understand when/how to determine if it can be removed. Thanks.

Sprucedotterel (talk) 01:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

More Monterey County, California related suspicious articles

Recently, Greg has been regurgitating contents from other articles into his drafts along with sources that do not pass WP:RS. Please check out White Stag Leadership Development Program and Béla H. Bánáthy. These are articles significantly authored by the same user that have originally inserted a lot of the contents like bloggy sources and personal websites being regurgitated into other articles and drafts by Greg. @Netherzone: too. Graywalls (talk) 12:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Cathy Marie Buchanan

Hi Melcous. It's Cathy Marie Buchanan. I'm hoping you can help me out. If I am understanding correctly, in July 2020 you altered the Cathy Marie Buchanan wiki page "to remove unsourced content; tone down excessive promotionalism" and perhaps added the Conflict on Interest template. I now understand that a user cannot edit a page about themselves and understand the changes and template. I am hoping you are able to remove the template and replace out-of-date references or add new references.

Here are the references to support the information that is on the current page:

“Early life and education”

https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/books/barre-all-cathy-marie-buchanan-brings-degas-infamous-sculpture-to-life-in-her-highly-anticipated-novel-the-painted-girls

Due to page removal, I can’t support that I became a yoga instructor (and it’s not relevant) and that The Day the Falls Stood Still was a CBC Canada Reads Top 40. Please delete.

“Career” Re inspiration (paragraph 1) https://www.cathymariebuchanan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Day-the-Falls-Stood-Still-Reading-Guide.pdf or, if Wikipedia cannot use my website, https://freshfiction.com/page.php?id=2008

Re Barnes & Noble Recommends selection (paragraph1) https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books-and-media/how-to-make-your-publicist-swoon-be-cathy-marie-buchanan/article7428891/

Re IndieNext pick (papragraph1) https://www.indiebound.org/indie-next-list/200909 (after going to the page, scroll down to SEPTEMBER 2009 INDIE NEXT LIST , and scroll right to see The Day the Fals Stood Still.)

Re The Painted Girls (paragraph 2)

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books-and-media/book-reviews/new-cathy-marie-buchanan-novel-captures-life-in-belle-epoque-paris/article7215012/

RE Daughter of Black Lake (paragraph 3) https://www.cathymariebuchanan.com/daughter-of-black-lake/ or, if Wikipedia cannot use my website, https://www.publishersweekly.com/9780735216167

If there are other items you feel require support, please let me know.

The page is badly in need up updating and fleshing out. I am assuming it is best to fix the current page before updating/fleshing out. If this is not the case and it’s best to update/flesh out at the same time, I can suggest material and supporting links. Please let me know.

Thanks for any help you are able to provide, Cathy Marie Buchanan cathymariebuchanan.com Cathymariebuchanan (talk) 21:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cathymariebuchanan, thanks for your message. And thank you for your understanding of the Conflict of interest guidelines. Another editor had already done some work on the article about you, and I have today done some independent searching for sources myself and made some edits based on what I could find. I will have a look now at what you have provided here as well (except for your own website - that does not count as a reliable, independent secondary source. Thanks Melcous (talk) 13:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Very happy to have that template disappear and have the page updated.

Here is some additional info and references that may be useful. Please use as you see fit.

Thanks again, Cathy

Cathy Marie Buchanan is a Canadian writer and author of three novels: The Day the Falls Stood Still (2009), The Painted Girls (2013), and Daughter of Black Lake (2020). Her novels have been translated into nine languages. Her short stories have appeared in leading literary fiction magazines and her non-fiction in national newspapers such as the The Globe and Mail and The National Post. She is the recipient of grants from the Toronto Arts Council, the Ontario Arts Council, and the Canada Council for the Arts.

Early life

Buchanan, the second of five children, was born and raised in Niagara Falls, Ontario. A defining feature of her childhood was the two-month sojourn undertaken by the family each summer in a VW campervan. The first of the adventures consisted of driving from Niagara Falls to Belize and back and camping in Mexico along the way.[i] She attributes her love of immersing herself in a new setting with each novel she writes to the broad exposure to new places she experienced as a child.

Education and Early Work Life

Buchanan attended A. N. Myer Secondary School and holds a BSc (Honours Biochemistry) and an MBA from Western University. She spent the first ten years of her non-writing work life at IBM in finance and then sales, and then the next two at Rogers Communications in sales and marketing.[ii]

Writing Career

At thirty-five years of age, she began taking continuing education creative writing courses at Toronto Metropolitan University and The Humber School for Writers and eventually found success publishing her short stories in literary fiction magazines. After four years of cramming a bit of writing into the evening hours, she left the corporate world and turned to writing full time.[iii]

The Day the Falls Stood Still

The Day the Falls Stood Still, Buchanan's debut novel, was published in 2009 and immediately became a New York Times bestseller, in part due to its selection as a Barnes & Noble Recommends novel.[iv] In addition, the novel was chosen as a Barnes & Noble Best Book of 2009, and an American Booksellers Association IndieNext pick.[v] Set in Buchanan’s hometown of Niagara Falls, the novel was inspired by the life of Niagara riverman, William ‘‘Red” Hill Sr.,[vi] and chronicles early hydroelectric development on the Niagara River. Buchanan’s beloved father died while she was writing the novel, and her grief-ridden struggle with what she believed found a home in the novel’s narrator, Bess Heath.[vii] Bess is a seamstress, a profession which permitted Buchanan to draw on the sewing skills she developed as a teenager.vii

The Painted Girls

Her second novel, The Painted Girls, was published in 2013 to enthusiastic reviews. Described by The Washington Post as “A captivating story of fate, tarnished ambition and the ultimate triumph of sister-love,”[viii] and by The Globe and Mail as “A cinematic read that is hard to put down,”[ix] it debuted on the New York Times bestseller list and became a #1 national bestseller in Canada.[x] Also an IndieNext pick,[xi] The Painted Girls was recognized as a best book of 2013 by NPR,[xii] Goodreads,[xiii] Good Housekeeping,[xiv] and the School Library Journal,[xv] and won the Ontario Library Association’s Evergreen Award.[xvi] The Painted Girls is set in belle époque Paris and was inspired by the real-life model, Marie van Goethem, for Edgar Degas’s c. 1880 statue Little Dancer of Fourteen Yearsix and a notorious criminal trial of the era. Buchanan studied classical ballet as a teenager and danced with the Niagara Civic Ballet Company.[xvii] She was prompted to write the novel after tuning into a BBC documentary titled “The Private Life of a Masterpiece, Little Dancer Aged Fourteen” and attributes her fascination with the documentary to her earlier ballet training.[xviii]

Daughter of Black Lake

Buchanan's third novel, Daughter of Black Lake, was published in October 2020. It is set in Pagan Britain on the eve of Roman conquest and tells the story of Smith, Devout and their daughter Hobble, who has the gift of prophesy and walks with a limp. With old customs dictating human sacrifice in times of great stress, anxiety mounts as the Romans draw closer to the family's remote settlement.[xix] The druid character in the novel was inspired by Lindow Man, a 2000-year-old bog body that was discovered in 1984 near Wilmslow, Cheshire in a peat bog formed by the once much larger Black Lake.[xx]

Buchanan’s forthcoming novel unfolds over a week of escalating tensions during the Cuban Missile Crisis and tells the story of a Guantanamo Bay Naval Base family upended by the threat of nuclear war. With the end of the world palpable, the novel’s protagonists make life-altering choices they might not have otherwise made.

Bibliography

Short Fiction:

“Beading Miss O’Leary’s Wedding Gown,” Descant 138 (Fall 2007)

“At Home,” Quarry Magazine 46/2 (Spring 2001)

“Pearl Drops,” The New Quarterly 88 (Fall 2003)

“His Hands,” The Antigonish Review 137 (Spring 2004)

“Making the Bed,” The Dalhousie Review 84.1 (Spring 2004)

Novels:

· The Day the Falls Stood Still: Voice (Hyperion) 2009, HarperCollins Canada 2009, Random House UK 2010, Sperling & Kupfer (Italy) 2010.

· The Painted Girls: Riverhead/Penguin 2013, HarperCollins Canada 2013, Little Brown UK 2013, Zala (Slovenia) 2013; Marchand de feuilles (Canada) 2014, Leidykla Sofoklis (Lithuania) 2014, Dom Wydawniczy PWN (Poland) 2015, Lumen (Croatia) 2016, Prah (Czech Republic) 2016, Matica Makesdonsa (Macedonia) 2018, Arkadia (Russia 2020)

· Daughter of Black Lake: Riverhead 2020, HarperCollins Canada 2020, Arkadia (Russia) 2021

[i] https://www.todaysparent.com/family/cathy-marie-buchanan-motherhood/

[ii] https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/books/barre-all-cathy-marie-buchanan-brings-degas-infamous-sculpture-to-life-in-her-highly-anticipated-novel-the-painted-girls

[iii] https://freshfiction.com/page.php?id=2008

[iv] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books-and-media/how-to-make-your-publicist-swoon-be-cathy-marie-buchanan/article7428891/

[v] https://www.indiebound.org/indie-next-list/200909

[vi] https://www.cathymariebuchanan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Day-the-Falls-Stood-Still-Reading-Guide.pdf

[vii] https://whatwomenwritetx.blogspot.com/2010/09/interview-with-cathy-marie-buchanan.html

[viii] https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-reviewthe-painted-girls-by-cathy-marie-buchanan/2013/01/21/364c5b04-5f35-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html

[ix] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books-and-media/book-reviews/new-cathy-marie-buchanan-novel-captures-life-in-belle-epoque-paris/article7215012/

[x] https://www.harpercollins.ca/9781443450423/the-painted-girls/

[xi] https://www.bookweb.org/news/january-2013-indie-next-list-preview

[xii] https://apps.npr.org/best-books-2013/

[xiii] https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-historical-fiction-books-2013

[xiv] http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/entertainment/g837/best-books-2013/?slide=13

[xv] http://www.slj.com/2013/11/reviews/best-of/slj-best-books-2013-adult-books-4-teens/

[xvi] http://www.quillandquire.com/book-news/2014/11/07/cathy-marie-buchanan-wins-2014-forest-of-reading-evergreen-award/

[xvii] https://www.cathymariebuchanan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Painted-Girls-Reading-Guide.pdf

[xviii] https://chatelaine.com/living/books/february-book-of-the-month-the-painted-girls-by-cathy-marie-buchanan/

[xix] https://www.publishersweekly.com/9780735216167

[xx] https://www.cathymariebuchanan.com/daughter-of-black-lake/

External Links

Official Website cathymariebuchanan.com Cathymariebuchanan (talk) 13:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Cathymariebuchanan, but most of this is not that useful - I have tried to write from a neutral point of view based on what I can find in secondary sources, and so do not need you to provide text for the article. A couple of the sources I will look into, but anything that is from your website or from other blogs/user based sites like gooreads etc is not that helpful here. Melcous (talk) 13:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you. Cathymariebuchanan (talk) 13:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Why did you delete my addition to IBA - Karachi page ?

Before deleting my edits at Institute of Business Administration, Karachi, did you do thorough research about INA-Karachi’a website. What i added was directly from website . Please explain . Syed1955 (talk) 15:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Please refer to IBA Karachi website and revert my additions which are just from https://www.iba.edu.pk/ Syed1955 (talk) 15:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Syed1955 it is not acceptable to copy content from an organisation's website into wikipedia. It is also not acceptable to include content that is promotional or in any way not written neutrally. And content here should be referenced to reliable, independent secondary sources - that is, what other people say about the organisation, not what they say about themselves. For all these reasons, your edit was reverted and will not be reinstated. Melcous (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Is there inherited notability for being on US National Register of Historic Places?

WP:NBUILDING says nothing of the sort. Take a look at this article, referenced entirely to primary source government publications, with no real independent secondary coverage. And this one doesn't look much better either. Left guide (talk) 00:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Left guide it is a little confusing, but under WP:GEOFEAT, a building with national heritage status is presumed to be notable. I think Greghenderson2006 may be operating on the assumption that this makes it automatically notable, which I would argue is not quite the same thing, and due care still needs to be taken to find WP:RS per the wording that it must be both of "protected status on a national level" and "for which verifiable information beyond simple statistics is available". Thanks Melcous (talk) 19:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

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Kindly add Harsh beniwal as an alumni of Sri Aurobindo College Evening , University of Delhi

Read This to verify :

https://www.ted.com/tedx/events/23929 Imranur070 (talk) 22:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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Orphan Status Enquiry

Hi @Melcous,

Trust this finds you well.

Thank you for improving the Isaiah Macwealth article.

It's the first time I got an "Orphan" status on an article, and I haven't really seen it so much on other editors I read their work.

When I first checked the meaning out, I though it meant there were no internal links in the article. So, I thought it was an error as they were added.

Seeing it again, I tried to read more about it and from my understanding it seems to be that another article has to be referencing it.

But before I take any action on the edit or contribute other articles, I wanted you to help clarify it. Also let me know if it is something I should fix, or something I should ignore for other editors.

Cheers!  :) Drsmartofficial (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Drsmartofficial: Yes, an orphan is an article that does not have any links coming to it from any other wikipedia articles. You can read more about it here: Wikipedia:Orphan. That page also talks about how to "de-orphan" an article. Please note that it includes do not try to 'force-fit' by adding unrelated links to articles where they don't belong just for the sake of de-orphaning. Always keep in mind that our primary goal is to improve the reader's experience, not satisfy the editor's indulgence in statistical achievements. Thanks Melcous (talk) 01:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Exodus lawsuits

You recently moved my article to draft with the reasoning that "sources don't necessarily backup content, too many typos "- I fixed two typos, which is all I could find, Which content do you feel is not backed by the sources? Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 12:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Kentucky Rain24, the purpose of moving it to a draft is so it can be worked on, and feedback received. For just one initial example, the first section titled "Historical context" does not seem to be properly verified by the sources cited. The first source does not characterise the issue as "theft" (which is the word you have used) nor does it say anything about Alexander of Macedon being "viewed as an impartial arbiter of disputes..." See WP:OR and note in particular that any analysis or synthesis of published material that reaches or implies a conclusion not stated by the sources is not allowed.

You have used the second source to reference the idea that Gebiha ben Pesos "states" that plunder should be considered "less than adequate reparations" when what the source actually says is that he "draws attention" to the debt of slavery, which in turn the author of the article argues "implicitly" casts the spoils as reparation, which is not the same thing. I would also note that there are at least two typos in just these two paragraphs, "then" rather than "them" and "sliver" instead of "silver".

I would encourage you to work on the draft more carefully, particularly looking at original research and sourcing, and then submit it for review to receive feedback from more experienced editors. Thank you Melcous (talk) 14:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, I would like to work on the draft to improve it so it can be published,.

Regarding your first point, it comes from one of the other sources I used as a reference- the article by Aton Holtzer (ref #2) does explicitly state , on page 5: "At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more" and on page 6 "Hilmi’s complaint is voiced by Egyptians who contend against the Jews in the presence of Alexander of Macedon, the fourth century BCE conqueror who is often presented as an impartial arbiter of disputes ". I have fixed that in the draft.

Regrading your 2nd point, I've fixed the typos, and reworded top more closely follow the source.

How do I submit the article for review? Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 17:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Kentucky Rain24. It would be good to go through the article and make sure everything is clearly cited to sources - a reasonable 'rule of thumb' is that most sentences should have a reference, so it is clear what content is verified by what source. Also be careful if part of one sentence is verified by one source, and another part by another source, that you are not combining the two to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by either source (see WP:OR above). Once you think the draft is ready, see WP:AFCREVIEW on how to submit for review. (That whole page is worth reading too) Melcous (talk) 23:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Melcous. I think just about everything there is sourced, but will do another thorough pass before resubmitting. Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 23:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

One more question - I think I read somewhere that the lead/intro section does not need references (they are provided in the body of the article), is that the case? I don't have them there now, but I could easily add them, if needed. Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 00:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kentucky Rain24: yes, see WP:LEAD - the lead should be an introduction and summary of the contents of the article, in which case it does not need references as everything it says will be included and sourced elsewhere in the article. I would suggest that the opening sentence needs work - it should tell the nonspecialist reader what or who the subject [of the article] is, which it currently does not do. You should also avoid vague essay-like phrases such as "over the years" - either remove this or be as precise and specific as you can. Thanks Melcous (talk) 03:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the feedback. Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 11:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Flagging statements about whether someone was a signatory to a letter as "possibly WP:UNDUE"

Why did you flag a paragraph about Francis Arnold being a signatory to a letter on the safety and sustainability of GMOs as "possibly WP:UNDUE"? Whether or not she signed the article is not a 'minority viewpoint'. It's a verifiable fact, one for which I included sources. The ideas stated in this letter are not minority viewpoints. The existence of 167 Nobel Laureate signatures almost proves that on its own (if you doubt the quality of the source, the letter has been reported by reliable media, see https://reason.com/2021/08/11/evil-greenpeace-objects-to-philippines-approval-of-genetically-improved-golden-rice/). John17three (talk) 22:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

John17three I have already responded in detail to your question on your talk page. Melcous (talk) 22:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

TY for recent attention

I am an academic and former registered editor, now editing occasionally as I travel. I appreciate your looking in at the Miroslav Volf page, wherein I found pervasive issues. As I do not register, I do not take as bold of steps as I might have earlier. I would be encouraged by a brief discussion here, regarding how that article might be turned around. To me the essay-like writing, and the freedom felt by the earlier editor or editors to simply write creatively and originally as reviewers of Volf's primary materials—this has created such a section-spanning mountainous problem that is difficult for me to know how to begin helping there. Cheers. 98.206.14.11 (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes thanks for doing some work on this ... there is definietly still more to go, but it was good to flag it and hopefully we and others can continue to address it. Cheers Melcous (talk) 08:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

COI of Gerald Fox

Hi Melcous if Gerald Fox article is paid article and against the guideline, Can we propose it for deletion? Dwarpaar (talk)

@Dwarpaar: the question of deletion would be based on whether or not the subject is notable, which to my initial read, he probably is. See WP:DINC. Better would be to work on ensuring all content is reliably sourced and removing content if it is not, and ensuring all wording is neutral. Thanks Melcous (talk) 08:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Justin Stebbing

I've asked Anachronist, the admin who unblocked Justinstebbing, to see whether a new block is warranted. I'd also be on the lookout for new sock accounts if any action is taken. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Laiii

Hello, Melcous,

Just a reminder that when you tag a page for any type of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/CFD/etc.), please post a notice on the page creator's User talk page. I see you are using Twinkle, which is great so please go into your Twinkle Preferences and make sure a) that the Notify page creator box is checked off and that b) all of the CSD criteria boxes are checked off as well. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Polly Billington

Hello could you explain why you have change the entry for Polly Billington firstly you described her as a journalist when the fact is that she hasn’t been a journalist since 2007 & now you’ve changed it to business woman when she’s not a business woman she set up an local government environmental not for profit organisation. The profile clearly states she is no longer ceo. You’ve also deleted descriptions of her as a politician or the fact she’s a Labour Party parliamentary candidate in the UK 2024 general election. The Wikipedia entry for Politician says ‘A politician is a person who has political power in the government of a state, a person active in party politics, or a person holding or seeking an elected office in government’

Billington is a person active in party politics & she’s seeking an elected office in government. I’m not sure why you think politician is an incorrect description.

You appear to have singled out this profile for that particular edit.

82.45.59.87 (talk) 08:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles shoud always be based on what reliable sources say about a topic. A number of sources used in the article describe her as a business woman or business person or CEO. Also note WP:NPOL which says that just being a candidate for political office is not a reason for wikipedia [[WP:N|notability]. This person has an article because she is notable for other reasons, but anything that looks at all like her article is being used for election campaigning purposes should and will be removed. Melcous (talk) 14:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I understand what you’re saying but having her described as a politician in the short description is not campaigning.

The only article I can see referencing business is the business green awards where she was awarded leader of the year. There appear to be more articles that reference her roles within the world of politics.

I also asked why you’ve singled out this profile. Jessica Asato who is in related articles is described as a politician even though she’s also a candidate & you haven’t felt the need to edit that article. 82.45.59.87 (talk) 19:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:OSE. If another article has the same issues, they too should be changed. Describing her as a politician in the short description is simply incorrect unless and until she has been elected. Melcous (talk) 04:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Corrections in Accuracies of Technical Facts, Timelines & Non Technical Statements and Provision of References on all important issues regarding page "Samar Mubarakmand"

Corrections in Accuracies of Technical Facts, Timelines & Non Technical Statements and Provision of References on all important issues regarding Wikipedia page "Samar Mubarakmand"

Award of Nishan-i-Imtiaz granted in 2003 and not 2004.

Dr. Samar was retired in November 2007 and not October 2007.

Provision of reasons for Pakistan starting its Nuclear Weapon Program and conduction of Atomic Tests in May 1998. The paragraph giving "Pakistan Atomic Test - The Need" provides the basis of Pakistan's Nuclear Weapon Program. The descriptions of Pakistan's Atomic Tests of May 28th & 30th, 1998 form an important Milestone in the technical achievements of Dr. Samar and hence should be included in his Page.

The process of gasifying underground the large deposits of Coal at Thar coal field was initiated with the Approval of Government of Pakistan and the Provincial Government of Sindh this was done at a time when Pakistan was suffering from Power shortage and surface burning of coal for power generation was not desirable due to global warming. The UCG project at Thar coal was a revolutionary idea and naturally invited adverse reactions from lobbies running power plants on conventional furnace oil, diesel etc. Dr. A. Q Khan was representing these lobbies by calling this project an Intellectual Dishonesty. However, this comment need not stay on this page in view of the breakthrough achieved when coal gas production and power generation from it commenced in May 2015.

Reko Diq being the largest discoveries of copper and gold faced serious difficulties with the initial foreign company TCC which were finally resolved in December 2022 and the project is now running. The history of TCC dispute with the Government of Balochistan its litigation at the Court of ICSID and the final resolution of the dispute and the current commencement of the project is mentioned in his edit paragraph. The reason for declaring a profit of $131 billion in 56 years (which is the life of the mine) as a misstatement is not justified because this profit was a notional figure to be achieved by the local Balochistan Copper Gold Project if it was operated at the same scale as the TCC project i.e not at 15000 tons per day but at 110,000 tons per day and with metal refining conducted at the mouth of mine. This statement was submitted by Dr. Samar in the Supreme Court of Pakistan (Ref. given) where "misstatements" can never be given.

Dr. Mubarakmand currently chairs the Board of Directors of Punjab Mineral Company. High grade discovery of Steel has been made which will become a source of running a 1.2 million ton Steel Mill at Chiniot. This work has been done in the last 10 years. DR M SHABBIR (talk) 10:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Muhammadshabbir39: it is clear from your editing and from your comments that you have a conflict of interest with this article. This means you should not edit it directly (and continuing to insist on your version of the article with poorly sourced and non-neutral content is behaviour that could see you banned from editing). You should make edit requests on the talk page of the article (not here) and you need to provide reliable, independent secondary sources when you do so. Melcous (talk) 13:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Polina Anikeeva

Hi Melcous, Thank you again for all your edits and feedback on Polina Anikeeva's Wikipedia page. I noticed that you removed the section on Anikeeva's TED Talks and Interviews; however, I was considering to create a bullet point list of those four interviews as there was mention of her TED Talks prior prior to my edits. I think it would be helpful for people to have access to those resources, but I will be sure to include it in a neutral, encyclopedic way. Please let me know what you think. Thank you! Juliett23 (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Juliett23 and thanks for seeking input on this. Your comment I think it would be helpful for people to have access to those resources suggests a misunderstanding of the purpose of wikipedia. See WP:NOT. More importantly, can I ask whether you have any connection to the subject of the article? See WP:COI. Thank you Melcous (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Fairglen Additions for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Fairglen Additions is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fairglen Additions until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey guy! Do you like dodgeball?

Hey guy! Do you like dodgeball? Do you know the truth about dodgeball? It’s that dodgeball is violence! Well, if you like dodgeball, you won’t think it’s violent! I know that dodgeball lovers don’t think dodgeball is violence! If you don’t acknowledge this truth in that way, then you are a violent guy! If you don’t wanna be a violent guy, then admit that truth right now and stop reverting my posts and don’t force others to play dodgeball against their will! 60.39.82.72 (talk) 07:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

IP at AIV Meters (talk) 07:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Greater Miami Youth Symphony

Hello Melcous,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Greater Miami Youth Symphony for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.

If you don't want Greater Miami Youth Symphony to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

C F A 💬 17:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Clearfrienda, thanks, but I'm the person who moved it to draft space because it wasn't suitable for mainspace, not the person who created it, so I'm not sure why I would be the one receiving this message? Melcous (talk) 22:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I believe this is because when you move a page and leave a redirect behind, you're essentially creating a new page with a redirect at the old title. So when I tagged the page for deletion, the Page Curation tool grabbed the oldest revision and sent the CSD notice to that user (which was you since you "created" the redirect). To get around creating a redirect that later has to be speedily deleted, you can apply for the page mover user right. The MoveToDraft script should also automatically tag the new redirect for speedy deletion if you aren't a page mover. Sorry about the confusion, C F A 💬 23:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@Clearfrienda:, thanks that's helpful - I probably should apply for page mover status, have just never thought about it before! Melcous (talk) 06:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Page mover granted

Hello, Melcous. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving a redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Requested moves, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Elli (talk | contribs) 13:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Lubna Kamal

Hello Melcous,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Lubna Kamal for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.

If you don't want Lubna Kamal to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

-MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

A very belated thank you

Over five years ago, you left me this warning after reverting my very much incorrect removal of a maintenance tag at Street Society. As of a few hours ago, after an RfA, I am the newest admin on enwiki. Some of us do read and appreciate the messages you leave at talk pages! Anyways, I just wanted to stop by and say your efforts are very much appreciated :) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, wow - congrats on the RfA and thanks for the thank you! Lovely to hear :) Melcous (talk) 06:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Parliament House Puzzle

I was wondering can you please elaborate on what the problems are with the proposed Parliament House Puzzle article so that I may remedy them? Robbiegibbons (talk) 04:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Robbiegibbons and thanks for the question. There are a few concerns. There is a lack of reliable sourcing. The section headed "Background" has no references at all for example - it reads as original research. It also uses language like "founding fathers" and "capitol building" which are much more commonly used in US contexts than Australian. The article as a whole has an essay like tone, seen clearly in the phrasing of the lead section, but also throughout. Melcous (talk) 05:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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