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Overlinking

I note that you have reverted my unlinking of German, Argentine, and Dutch in our articles of Nico Göhler, Kas Haverkort, and Franco Colapinto respectively. My edit summary for removing these links was "Unlinking common words and/or phrases (and repeated linking of uncommon ones) - see WP:OVERLINK". For your information, that policy reads:

"the following are usually not linked: ... This generally includes major examples of: countries (e.g., Japan/Japanese, Brazil/Brazilian) ... nationalities and ethnicities (e.g., British, Chinese, Turkish, African-American, Nigerian"

Therefore, I will be reverting your changes. Edwardx (talk) 17:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Notice the title says "What generally should not be linked". Normally, motorsport articles and biographies follow their own MoS. F1 driver bios usually link to Formula One drivers from {country}, while others simply link to the nationality/ethnicity page. Just minor details anyway, but there's a custom. I reverted once and won't revert anymore. MSport1005 (talk) 17:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I can see that we have Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorsport, but cannot find anything like a specific MoS that you refer to. In any event, I cannot see how Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking would not take precedence over any custom and practice that might have evolved for motorsport. Also, I will be removing flag icons, per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG, particularly as drivers compete on behalf of non-national teams, rather than their country. Edwardx (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

No. Drivers represent teams and nations. Teams also represent nations. That's why they always have a flag/country code next to their names in official documents, and why the national anthem of their country (or country represented, rather) is played on the podium. This is a strangely common misconception – you won't be the first user to try remove flag icons from driver infoboxes. This is a matter that has been discussed multiple times. Bear in mind you will be reverted, either by me or by another user.

There is a policy regarding the use of flag icons in motorsport-related articles, which obviously prevails over MOS:INFOBOXFLAG. See MOS:SPORTFLAG, the documentation for {{Infobox racing driver}} and its talk page. MSport1005 (talk) 19:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Looking at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons, this matter does appear to be under active discussion, so I will stop removing flags. Sorry about that. Edwardx (talk) 19:24, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for your understanding. MSport1005 (talk) 19:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

"2021 Berlin ePrix" listed at Redirects for discussion

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August 2021

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Hello. My revert was due to poorly-justified content removal ("doesn't meet notability because I say so", in a way) by an IP user which seemed to be making a number of unconstructive edits. I'll make sure I explain all my reverts in the future. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. MSport1005 (talk) 10:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. It's not about inconvenience--it's about explaining edits in a collaborative environment. BTW, there is nothing "essential" about the nationality parameter. The name, it seems to me, is the only thing that is essential. And I know, you pointed at the RfC--but that RfC is tremendously flawed, and the practice of putting these little lollipop flags everywhere is tremendously distracting. No one gains by deflating the value of the MOS. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I find it very disrespectful of you that you basically reverted my edit here that was meant to further explain and reference an issue that was contested in the past without contacting me about it first. Miggie H (talk) 13:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello. My edit, as the summary explains, was a copyedit. There's no need to over-complicate the text, it was already clear ('Liechtenstein' works as an adjective too, if that's your point) and that is how these footnotes are generally written. It was not a revert in any way, and I maintained the source you provided as it is useful. I don't get the 'disrespectful' bit, nor your complaint. I don't think I need to notify every user whenever I make an edit. MSport1005 (talk) 14:05, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I admit that my sentence was a bit over-complicated, but I maintain that it was still concise enough for a footnote. Replacing it with the exact sentence that was there before is reverting, not copyediting, regardless of the fact that you kept the source that I added, and I would expect you to acknowledge that in your edit summary, if you don't feel like "notifying every user whenever you make an edit." My point had nothing to do with Liechtenstein as an adjective, but with clarifying the reasons for the Swiss flag, since it seemed to have been unclear to some users in the past, who even replaced it with the flag of Liechtenstein. Sorry for the "disrespectful" bit, I admit that it was unnecessary. Miggie H (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem. I understand my edit was technically a partial revert and I probably should've specified that, apologies. As for the content of the edit, my view is that "under a Swiss licence" conveys the same meaning as "under the Swiss flag because her licence was issued in Switzerland" in considerably fewer words, and in a simpler but clear manner. I think users changing the flag was down to them thinking it was a mistake and not spotting the footnote. MSport1005 (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree with your view regarding the content of my edit. I'm glad we sorted this out. Best regards. Miggie H (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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Apologies, my bad. MSport1005 (talk) 21:26, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 24 Hours of Le Mans

Please have the courtesy to leave 2021 24 Hours of Le Mans alone until I've finished my copy edit. (One of your "edits" is grammatically incorrect, by the way.) This will help to avoid edit conflicts. Thanks! Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

No problem, feel free to let me know when you're done. MSport1005 (talk) 13:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@MSport1005: My c/e is complete. TfT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twofingered Typist (talk • contribs) 20:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Commercial names

I will kindly ask you to revert your edits to the Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters season articles. You will note that individual team articles are not preceded by their commercial (sponsor) names as we use common names, and if you look at the majority of other series (for example, 2021 Supercars Championship or 2021 NASCAR Cup Series) teams are not referred to by commercial name – and those that do not require changing. Formula One is vastly different from other categories as the constructors are the common names, and in the past various entrants could operate a constructors' chassis. The only time this practice cannot be avoided is when a team is owned by a commercial entity (for example, WPS Racing) or if a common name cannot be sourced. MSportWiki (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello. The point here is that one thing is the team (i.e. the structure that operates the cars) and another the entrant (often coloquially and rather imprecisely referred to as 'team'). The name that has to appear in the championship's article is the official name under which the entrant is registered, and that should include the title sponsor if there is one. This is why in F1 2021 we see Uralkali Haas F1 Team linking to Haas' page, in F2 2021 we see UNI-Virtuosi Racing instead of simply Virtuosi and in FIA WEC 2021 there's Alpine Elf Matmut and not just Alpine—or Signature. Similarly, also in WEC the championship's article shows Realteam Racing while the linked page is called TDS Racing, and in WTCR 2021 we distinguish Comtoyou Team Audi Sport from Comtoyou DHL Team Audi Sport (same team different entrant, much like Team Abt Sportsline and Team Abt in DTM) instead of merging them or naming them "Comtoyou (#16, #22)" and "Comtoyou (#17, #32)".
Long story short: individual team articles indeed use common names and never commercial names (unless the team actually belongs to an existing brand, like Red Bull Racing and Rowe Racing), while pages of specific championship seasons use the formal name under which each entrant competed that year. MSport1005 (talk) 14:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

WTCR

what is the problem? the information was outdated and I updated the points' championship. I thought only those two tables were out of date, that's why I only modified only those two. And they are still out of date. --Nordschleife 00 (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Merging the rows to just put a question mark is a bit... i don't know, weird. In any case, that's not the issue. I'm currently updating all 4 championships but your revert resulted in an edit conflict, which is quite problematic, so I'd kindly ask you to stop doing so. I can use an {{In use}} in the future if you want me to but it's not like the page is undergoing major edits anyway. MSport1005 (talk) 21:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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Self-referential bold and italic formatting

Re [1] etc, please discuss at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#Use_of_bold_and_italics_in_the_legend_for_a_table. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

That's what I'm saying. Discuss before editing, and for crying out loud, stop reverting. See edit summary at [2]. MSport1005 (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Capitalisation - F/Laps

Re [3] (and possibly other similar) - please read MOS:HEADCAPS. "Use sentence case, not title case, ... The same applies to ... table headers". The word "Laps" is not a proper noun nor is it the start of a new sentence, so it ought not be capitalised. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

There's very little room for discussion on this one. If it was "fastest lap" it should not be capitalised, but it's not. F/laps complicates readability and accessibility, F/Laps is preferable. MSport1005 (talk) 17:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

F/laps complicates readability and accessibility — Agreed. Not because of the capitalisation, but because the slash is the wrong punctuation mark. It is "most often used to represent exclusive or inclusive or..." but presumably the heading is not intended to be read as "fastest and/or lap".

F/Laps is preferable — Disagree. I suggest that "F laps" of "F. laps" is preferable (assuming that "Fastest lap" takes too much space). In both cases "laps" is not capitalised because it is not a proper noun or a new sentence. The use of the full stop in the second case denotes an abbreviation; it is not a sentence delimiter (nor is the slash, in the current usage). Mitch Ames (talk) 02:20, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Copying articles to draftspace during deletion discussions

Hi MSport1005. In future, please do not make copies of articles nominated for deletion in the draftspace, as you did with for example Draft:Alex Connor during Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Connor. You may have seen (I did ping you initially) the discussion where I asked for advice regarding this on Wikipedia talk:Requests for history merge#Appropriate action for drafts created as copy-paste moves of articles nominated for deletion, but in summary I was told I should ask you not to do this in future. Have a look at WP:EDITATAFD (which says you should not try to circumvent the result of the AfD, but instead propose draftifying, for example) and WP:COPYWITHIN (there is an issue where if the draft is recreated, the original edit history is lost) also. Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 23:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem, I've given up on that practice already. Thanks for the input. MSport1005 (talk) 00:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I will be listing Draft:Levente Révész, Draft:Jonathan Browne (racing driver), and Draft:Alex Connor for repair at WP:Requests for history merge. You do not need to take any action, but you may see the deletions and restores in your watchlist. Flatscan (talk) 05:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for keeping up with the post-race penalties in F4 UAE and FRAC. "MarinanGOAT" had me laughing, didn't expect it! Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Hahaha, no worries! I wasn't expecting a reaction to it tbh, glad you liked it! MSport1005 (talk) 21:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

FRECA driver numbers

How can we stop RxxingAddict from adding driver numbers without any source? He seems to like edit wars and I have better things to do.. H4MCHTR (talk) 12:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@H4MCHTR: I really don't know but it's getting annoying... He appears to be a teenager with a lot of spare time and no concern for wikipedia's rules, who sees edit wars as a game ("ur turn lol"). But all he does is just add random driver numbers and unsourced content, nothing in the way of vandalism—so I don't see any basis on which to block him yet. MSport1005 (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

What I experienced (e.g. at 2022 GB3 Championship) was that after some time, he starts to get angry and adds nonsense, which could be a basis to block him because of vandalism. H4MCHTR (talk) 13:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

About Arkhangelskiy

The reason why I did it wasn't just because of the entry list, he's often mentioned as Max in sources: [4] (tons of other Scout articles), [5], [6] (even the team he was driving for as). Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

After a quick revision on Google I'd tend to agree with you, but the fact that he still uses "Maksim" on social media and especially for his logo leaves me undecided. In any case, it doesn't really matter for now—if he ever gets to the point where he's eligible for a Wiki page the distinction should be clearer. MSport1005 (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Sauber Academy

Hi! Since I saw you editing the page, thought I might as well look for advice. In the Sauber Karting Team, there are two drivers (Monza and Wiśniewski) that don't seem to be under Sauber anymore checking their social media, they aren't using their suits nor mentioning Sauber Karting Team anymore. Sauber Karting's official account only mentions Costa and David too. What should I do in this case, as there's no way to find sources about moves like these sadly? As usual, Sauber's completely outdated for their Junior teams, so it's impossible to use that. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, I've noticed that [7] mentions Sauber Karting Team will field only David and Costa. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 15:12, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jovanmilic97: Hi! Sorry, I wasn't available. I see you cleared your doubts yourself. Personally I would have removed them even without the existence of a source explicitly confirming their departure. If Sauber only talks about Costa and David when presenting their academies then we should only list Costa and David; it is enough to deduce that Monza and Wisniewski aren't with them anymore—even more so when other signs point towards it too. MSport1005 (talk) 17:39, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you nailed it all. Hard to track Sauber Academy, because it's so, so, so out of sight and without any consistent info, discounting Pourchaire. It's actually good we finally got an update on their academy. But (again), they seriously need to hire someone to update their website for once... Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jovanmilic97: There's a reason people call it the Pourchaire Academy! Certainly doesn't look like they're taking the single-seater side of the academy too seriously, neither mediatically nor sportively... Faria probably just paid his way in, I'd assume. MSport1005 (talk) 20:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments left on my talk page

Hello. I noticed you recently added a section to my talk page reporting an edit I made to your talk page as vandalism. I apologize for making the mistake of adding the (EastEnders) disambiguation to the Luke Browning link. However, this simply does not constitute vandalism. This is such a minor mistake it can simply be corrected and moved on from. It's not like I attempted to deface the page, mock it, make it into a joke, or put in false information. In fact, the linked page to vandalism specifically states any good-faith edit is not vandalism, as my edit was. I had recently requested (and gotten accepted) a move from Luke Browning (racing driver) to Luke Browning, and was fixing directed links. The old page linked to a character from the show EastEnders, and I guess I accidently added back the EastEnders tag when fixing those links. Vandalism is narrowly defined as intented to "obstruct or defeat the project's purpose". It is an impossible claim to make that my edit is intended to obstruct or defeat the purpose of the page. Please do not report people for vandalism where no vandalism occurs. Debartolo2917 (talk) 16:50, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry. Your edits didn't strictly constitute clear-cut vandalism, which is why I only used the {{Uw-vandalism2}} warning. I didn't report you and you're not at risk of getting blocked. In this case it being one of my sandboxes was an aggravation, but mistakes can happen and we're here to fix them. MSport1005 (talk) 17:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Andrea Rosso (racing driver)

Hi again! I've read about Rosso retiring so I went to see his wiki page, but this... seems like a notability issue case. Doesn't meet WP:GNG nor WP:NMOTORSPORT and the only coverage he got was routine announcement signings. I wanted to check up on your opinion before bringing it to WP:AFD, but it looks like a clear and cut case to me. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:45, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jovanmilic97: Hello! I actually disagree. The article itself lacks non-routine sources, but I see there are more than enough to choose from on the internet, mainly in Italian. Rosso is also a fairly accomplished driver considering his short career, despite always being in mediocre machinery. Lack of budget has hindered him but he was one of the standouts, most promising kids out of the current crop of Italian drivers, alongside the likes of Minì, Fornaroli, Antonelli, Pizzi... He evidently hasn't made it far enough to get to WP:NMOTORSPORT, but he's a GNG pass for me. I plan on working on the article as soon as I can, possibly tomorrow. Regards, MSport1005 (talk) 18:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Heh, knew it! I was kinda scared to start an AFD on this one, because I had a hunch on this response, and I don't really have enough free time right now to fully invest on non-straightforward discussions. I'll too look into sources myself (though I have to admit I wasn't impressed from some cursory search I've seen). Thanks for replying as always, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:40, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

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List of Formula One driver numbers

The section at List of Formula One driver numbers is unsourced, so it's correct to tag it as such. It may be "easily verifiable". but someone should actually verify it then. Because the numbers for the practice drivers seem like they'll be hard to source after all. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

All are easily verifiable on the F1 website. MSport1005 (talk) 21:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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Inquiry

Hello! Apologies for the incorrect editing. However, I was somewhat confused as to what you meant. If they only ran at Le Mans, does that mean that the races results should not be added, despite the fact that they still ran during the season? Thanks! Nascarbball24 (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Nascarbball24: Just look at the standings at 2022 FIA World Endurance Championship, you'll understand it easier. Le Mans is a special event in that it combines entries from WEC with entries from other championships. Those entries from other championships (the one-offs) are omitted in the WEC standings. So for example Alpine finished 5th in Le Mans behind the #709, but they're deemed to have finished 4th by the WEC standings because the #709 was a one-off. MSport1005 (talk) 16:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

ELMS LMP2 specifiying

The LMP2 class of the European Le Mans Series needs specifiying despite being the top class in terms of the cars pace because unlike the former LMP1 class of the FIA World Endurance Championship or the Pro class of the GT World Challenge Europe, the LMP2 entries in the ELMS are classified in an LMP2 championship and not an overall championship, which leaving out the LMP2 specification implies. Formula Downforce (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Not sure how that argument holds itself... In WEC pre-2020 there wasn't an overall championship, it was the two prototype classes and the two GTE classes being combined to form the world championship, as well as the separate LMP2 and GTE Am (plus private LMP1 back in the day) trophy standings. If you consider prototype and GT independent, then you might as well not specify the LMP3 class when editing Le Mans Cup... Meanwhile GTWC is a completely different case because the cars between classes are the same, there's no BoP, the difference is made by the drivers. As such, it makes obvious sense to show both the overall and class results. MSport1005 (talk) 08:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't get why LMP3 in the Le Mans Cup should be specified but the LMP2 in the ELMS shouldn't? Formula Downforce (talk) 18:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

? MSport1005 (talk) 18:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

July 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Fabienne Wohlwend and List of female racing drivers, you may be blocked from editing. Unexplained reverts are disruptive. 110.149.133.143 (talk) 23:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

As User:Formula Downforce told you in reply to the identical message you left on their talk page, you are the one being disruptive. We are reverting your unconstructive edits and explaining them in the edit summary, so try think of a better argument. MSport1005 (talk) 19:36, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Santiago Porteiro

Hello! I have seen that a few months ago they deleted Santiago Porteiro's article because it was almost empty of information. I have created it in the Spanish wikipedia (and I have completed Felix Porteiro's article), in case you want to recreate it in the English wiki by translating the spanish one. Sentoan (talk) 17:40, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi! That's a great job, I have to say. Ultimately it comes 4 months after the deletion though, and new (or old but unexplored) SIGCOV doesn't seem to have appeared, so... I don't think we have grounds to recreate it. I still believe an article on Porteiro Motorsport would be more useful. MSport1005 (talk) 22:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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@Miniapolis: There is no edit war. I literally only reverted once. What on earth are you talking about? MSport1005 (talk) 16:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

You revert things like vandalism, not good-faith edits; EnthusiastWorld37 had requested a copyedit in preparation for a GAN, and no one (including you) owns an article. Auto-racing articles are difficult to copyedit because they're usually overlinked, overly detailed and violate guidelines such as MOS:FLAGCRUFT, and mindless reversions with uncivil edit summaries make good editors think twice about bothering with them. Miniapolis 16:50, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Now this is frankly inappropriate. The fact that you warned me for an edit war that hasn't even taken place was already ludicrous—but an excusable mistake. But the fact that you're now doubling down and accusing me of unconstructive editing is not acceptable. 2022 24 Hours of Le Mans is an article I've had on my watchlist for almost a year, and if I see edits (whether vandalistic or good-faith) that make it worse —and more specifically, distort the meaning of certain sentences and present grammar mistakes— then I will 100% revert them. Could I have worded the edit summaries a bit differently? Possibly, but it was late at night and at least I took the time to fix the copyedits. Feel free to explain to me how that is a "mindless revision". You revert things like vandalism, not good-faith edits? That is blatantly false and a contradiction of Wikipedia's guidelines. MSport1005 (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

2021 Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters

Please be careful with reversions to edits like this one. It was not vandalism like you claimed and your reversion restored quite a bit of side-by-side linking that should be avoided per WP:SEAOFBLUE. --Falcadore (talk) 20:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Not true. This IP user replaced official team names with made-up names. If a team is entered as (example) "Mercedes-AMG Team GetSpeed" we can not replace it with "GetSpeed Performance". It's fictional and unconstructive. In such cases, WP:SEAOFBLUE is almost inevitable. Another user has already reverted your revert of my edit, and I urge you not to revert further. I'd rather keep an eye on this IP, as it has continued to vandalise articles in similar fashion. MSport1005 (talk) 17:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

It is neither fictional nor unconstructive. You are just refusing to make a choice and thus link everything. You link to the team and not the sponsor. Because linking to the sponsor does not contribute to increase knowledge of the motor racing team. One of the purposes of SEAOFBLUE is to assist with concise writing. Not only do you not have to link everything, it is preferable to only link to one article. A link like [GetSpeed Performance|Mercedes-AMG Team GetSpeed] is easily achievable and I suggest you do this going forward instead of bloating articles with links that do not assist with explaining the subject. --Falcadore (talk) 02:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Mercedes-AMG is not a sponsor. MSport1005 (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, to expand on my reply: no one's making this about SEAOFBLUE except you. And while I think it is fair that you bring this issue up, this IP user wasn't just changing the links. They were literally changing the text. They were replacing the actual team names with random made-up names they come up with. That's exactly what the word fictional means. Now I'd like to know why adding fiction to Wikipedia isn't unconstructive. MSport1005 (talk) 02:42, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Asian Le Mans 'Controversy'

Apologies. I only saw your comments just now, I am new to Wikipedia editing and therefore don't know much about the format of this branch of the website. Reading the edit back again I can understand your perspective, I will remove the post and make any necessary alterations before reposting, if indeed I do repost. 2001:8003:325F:9801:D946:88CE:89F2:A155 (talk) 02:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Draftification

Hello, MSport1005,

Whenever draftify a main space article, please use Twinkle to tag the original page for speedy deletion, CSD R2. It will help bring it to the attention of administrators so they can delete the cross-namespace redirect. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have a read on how Twinkle works to use it in the future. MSport1005 (talk) 14:09, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Points

Mate I was in the process of adding points jeez RxxingAddict (talk) 16:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

You can do that in a single edit. I've encountered unupdated points standings —or even random DNFs in races that are still ongoing— way too much in the last year or so. If you do multiple edits in your sandbox it's fine, if you do them in a live article it's annoying. MSport1005 (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I do it separately to avoid edit conflicts, it is easier for me so my page doesn’t accidentally reset. RxxingAddict (talk) 16:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Freca

you didn't have to remove my whole edit just change wurz's number? User:RxxingAddict (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I was avoiding an edit conflict. MSport1005 (talk) 13:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Casper Stevenson page

Hello,

I wanted to thank you for your work on this page. It has been a great help for his career. Is it possible for you to update the page to include his recent podium at the Spa 24 hours in the Pro-Am category, this is a notable result from his 2023 season. I wish to add it but my WIKI skills are non existent. Thank you GeoF3 (talk) 17:18, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Dufek

I think it's best if a deletion review of Joshua Dufek's page is started. 62.165.255.150 (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I have accepted it

Borderline I think? But the community will decide. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:40, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

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Draftification

Hello, MSport1005,

Please review WP:DRAFTIFY for guidance on when it is appropriate to draftify an article. It can happen as the result of an AFD discussion but is primarily for newly created articles. You draftified an article that was several years old which is inappropriate. Please seek other solutions if an article has problems like a) work on improving the article yourself, b) tag it noting any problems that exist or c) pursue one of the accepted forms of deletion.

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I tagged it in February 2022, it's been almost two years and nothing (and I mean nothing) has changed. The main contributor, who's extremely unconstructive and seems closely linked to the subject, even had the audacity to remove the tag recently. But thanks anyway. I might go for AfD when I have time. MSport1005 (talk) 20:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Murray

It's got nothing to with wether I like edit wars, which is a stupid thing to say anyway. I am just going by the latest one I saw. S (talk) 19:16, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Emely de Heus

From what I gather, Emely de Heus is also part of the Red Bull Junior Team alongside the Al Qubaisi sisters. So I feel Red Bull should be mentioned in the supporting teams section with a note as I did. D4R1U5 (talk) 12:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Nowhere do the announcements state any of the 3 drivers is joining the Red Bull Junior Team. This is WP:OR. MSport1005 (talk) 12:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Then I would like to know why we mention Chloe Chambers under the Haas development program or Tina Hausmann under the Aston development program. Neither of their sources state they are in the respective academies. D4R1U5 (talk) 12:52, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Unlike Red Bull's junior team, Haas' and Aston Martin's driver development programs haven't been publicised as such for a while – Haas since the Delétraz days, Aston since the Drugovich announcement. Those tables list affiliated/development drivers, as a more general concept. I concede the section name is misleading though. MSport1005 (talk) 13:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok I see your point. D4R1U5 (talk) 13:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Wurz

Wurz was involved in a collision with Rifai which took him out, this was after they restarted the race? S (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

You're right. The race 1 classification has Wurz as (what I assume is) a DNS and Abuzenadah as a DNF, but it should be the other way round. Will fix that now. MSport1005 (talk) 15:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

"Better Source"??

Why are you claiming that Sportscar365 is not a good enough source, as compared to dailysportscar?

IMHO, they are both as good as each other. I see no reason why a sportscar365 source should be removed? JustCharlie99 (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Both are as good as each other – I favoured DSC in this case because S365 focused too much on Niederhauser. Also the page heavily relies on S365 articles so a bit of variety is necessary. MSport1005 (talk) 17:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Did you spend all your time putting editing my draft pages for one small detail that MOST pages have?

Most of my draft pages won't even see the light of day, so what's the point? I have no idea how it's a issue, it makes the pages look ugly imo.

I also have learning difficulties so that's why I English isn't on point.

Don't take any of this the wrong way, I'm not slightly frustrated. It's not written it the rules and Wikipedia is a volunteer run website. BurningBlaze05 (talk) 20:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Most wikipedia pages have introduction OVER the infobox page. Or does it only apply to draft pages, if so then sorry. BurningBlaze05 (talk) 20:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

All BLPs have infobox over introduction. That's the only way to align them both at the top of the page. Check Barack Obama, Bob Marley, Michael Phelps or any page you like — you'll see the order is 1) maintenance tags and templates, 2) infobox, 3) introduction. Same applies to articles of events, such as Russian invasion of Ukraine or 2024 Formula One World Championship.

It's a mere aesthetical detail, but yes, the purpose of my edits was to conform your drafts to wiki style. And yes, I spent some precious time doing that. And my arm hurts!

You also don't need to apologise. At Wikipedia we all learn as we go. Take care. MSport1005 (talk) 20:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Apologies. I'm still not caught up with wikipedia etiquette. I can get worked up over small shit.

(I'm a Eurovision, Tennis and Geography fan too) BurningBlaze05 (talk) 21:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024

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I will leave a message on the current Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DriverDatabase1 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Lola B07/17

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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Lola B07/17 for deletion, because it's a redirect that seems implausible or is an unlikely search term.

If you don't want Lola B07/17 to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

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Deletion discussion about Lola B07/17

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Number tcr

Some drivers last year had a three digit number and were not TCR world tour entries? S (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I know there are exceptions. Three-digit numbers were already a frequent thing in TCR Australia, and Losonczy used #264 in his part-time TCR Europe campaign. But in general numbers from 100 to 200 are reserved for TCR WT entries (apart from Taoufik, who has #212 because #112 is taken). At Marrakesh they certainly are, as it's a stand-alone event. A few of the entries are coming over from Italy or Europe and therefore take 2-digit numbers – Bennani though hasn't raced since WTCR 2022, and as you can tell he's sporting #125 even though his traditional #25 is free... MSport1005 (talk) 17:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

AIX Racing redirect

Hi MSport1005,

Please do not redirect AIX Racing to PHM Racing again as they are completely separate entities now. Please see the talk page message I left on the AIX Racing page here.

Thanks! SteeledDock541 (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that isn't accurate. First of all, this seemingly AI-written press release does nothing but promote AIX and 'We Are The Future' through presumptuous and overused adjectives. Nowhere does it state they're separate entities. If it were to be a separate entity, then in accordance to F2 and F3's regulations AIX Racing would not be allowed to rebrand and inherit PHM's entries and results. Remember Formula One in 2018, when Racing Point was considered a new entrant entirely. Or GP2 Asia in 2008–09, when Ocean took over BCN's assets mid-season.

A key aspect to point out here is: AIX Racing has acquired ownership of the team. It has not bought its entry, nor its assets, nor its operations. The differences have to be clear. It is exactly the same situation as Virtuosi Racing earlier in the year, with Invicta purchasing a majority ownership stake and renaming the F2 structure, but Virtuosi staying as is in F4.

Thirdly, Paul H Muller remains AIX's team principal and Roland Rehfeld remains its sporting director. Knowing several of the mechanics and engineers personally, I can tell you nothing's changed in the staff. A lot of them often move around between the F2/F3 team and the F4 team and will continue to do so. Your own assumption that "PHM has no involvement in the F2 and F3 program anymore" is incorrect. You can imagine why AIX Racing still holds a German licence despite AIX Investment Group being Emirati-based.

Fourthly, on your talk page message you present that "Paul Muller, PHM Racing's owner, no longer has an ownership stake in the F2 and F3 teams, thus AIX Racing is now its own separate entity." This is not based on facts or published sources, and rather constitutes WP:OR.

Lastly, it takes a lot more than this to WP:SPLIT two articles, especially with such a WP:RECENT event. Consider this: until 2022, Prema had two different entities racing in feeder series: Prema Racing and Prema Powerteam. They were still combined in the same article – Prema Powerteam (since moved to Prema Racing). Splits are generally highly contentious edits, so it's advised to start a discussion before being proactive and performing it yourself. For instance, there is still an ongoing debate on whether Rodin Motorsport and Carlin should be split into two. And that's a far clearer case than this, as the Carlin family has no presence in Rodin anymore.

I hope everything is clear. I really appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, but please proceed with caution before making such changes. I'll now redirect AIX Racing to PHM Racing, and I urge you not to revert back. You're free to start a splitting discussion if you so want. Thank you. MSport1005 (talk) 18:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I won't revert the pages back but here is just one of sources that mention Muller selling his stake in the team to AIX.

Also, you stating that "Knowing several of the mechanics and engineers personally, I can tell you nothing's changed in the staff. A lot of them often move around between the F2/F3 team and the F4 team and will continue to do so." is just based on your word and no real evidence to support it. PHM Racing itself bought Charouz Racing System's F2 and F3 teams, and Muller did not change any of the staff or the relocate the base in Prague. While the main team's base in is Berlin, the F2 and F3 teams still remain in Prague. SteeledDock541 (talk) 20:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Muller selling his ownership stake does not make AIX Racing an entirely new entity. And as I said, he remains the team principal. "Muller did not change any of the staff" is categorically not true. The Charouz team managers stayed, a lot of the mechanics stayed, but the engineers are new. Some of their current F3 engineers were actually on loan at Jenzer last year.

Also note how PHM's profiles on the F2 and F3 websites have simply been renamed to AIX. Back when Charouz was taken over by PHM, their profiles ([8] [9]) became unused. MSport1005 (talk) 21:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

F3 mid-season changes

Oh sorry, my bad. I accidentally removed the part with Stenshorne and Tsolov, because I wanted to make the Zagazeta change visible, so I wanted to move the other two paragraphs below the Zagazeta change, but I forgot to add the paragraphs later on. BryOn2205U (talk) 17:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

All good! MSport1005 (talk) 17:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 24 Hours of Le Mans

From MOS:LINKSTYLE;

General points on linking style

When possible, do not place links next to each other, to avoid appearing like a single link, as in chess tournament (chess tournament). Instead, consider rephrasing the sentence (tournament of chess), omitting one of the links (chess tournament), or using a single, more specific link as in chess tournament (chess tournament).

That directly refutes your claim there is nothing to fix. It could not be clearer. It even gives you a specific example that mirrors my editting. Now will you revert or will I? -- Falcadore (talk) 13:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

"When possible". As I said, nowhere does WP:SEAOFBLUE state side-by-side linking shall be avoided at any cost. Most of your changes fall under this – a couple are avoidable, so I will revert partially. MSport1005 (talk) 15:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

So you are going to use "When possible" as an excuse, despite the example showing chess tournament instead of chess tournament? The intent is obvious. You can very very easily find a link to Ferrari from AF Corse. Don't pretend otherwise with this "at all costs" nonsense. This is hardly new, wikipedia is decades old now and you're not an inexperienced editor. --Falcadore (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

My Drafts?

Hey MSport,

I noticed that you are the one that often moves drafts. Thank you for your work on Wikipedia, it is much appreciated. I was just wondering if you could take a look at some of my drafts to check if they are ready for mainspace? I understand that most of them will not be ready due to notability but I’m not 100 percent sure on the rules. Drivers like Macintyre who have wins to their names in Formula Regional spring to mind? Anyway I’ll leave it for you to judge if you have the time. Thank you Certified Formula Neek (talk) 08:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll be keeping a close eye on Macintyre and Sharp. Thanks for the suggestion. MSport1005 (talk) 14:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

thank you! Certified Formula Neek (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Reversions of Gonnym (talk · contribs)'s edits?

What gives? Andy Dingley (talk) 23:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

A few weeks ago this user set about transcluding full results keys into F1 drivers' and teams' articles, contrary to the consensus which is to link them (to avoid cluttering up the pages). User:Pyrope duly reverted a number of these. I reverted the rest (all 100+ of them) today. Took me an hour. All done now. MSport1005 (talk) 23:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

That's a terrible idea. The proper way to do it is to embed them by transclusion, but to make them collapsible (we do this with lots of similar stuff).

But hey, some projects just work really hard to break things. I can't be bothered fixing it. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)