User talk:JarrahTree/Archive 38

Cats for Tembagapura...

I created this article on the town. Could you please help out with cats, etc. --Merbabu (talk) 03:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Birds of Indonesia...

There are 648 articles in this category. Game to split into sub-cats? But I wouldn't know how to split them. --Merbabu (talk) 05:39, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I can't pretend it's a priority though...--Merbabu (talk) 05:44, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Amanjiwo

I think it means Yogyakarta province. The resort is adjacent to the site, that's correct. Good to see a featured articles on it anyway. Dr. Blofeld 13:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Well yes it is about 30.40 km northwest of Yogya I think. Dr. Blofeld 13:34, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Which is a very long way for Java. --Merbabu (talk) 13:35, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Execution by elephant

after having a chuckle (or a gag), do you think we need History of SE Asia or S Asia? Is it really what goes under a history cat? --Merbabu (talk) 13:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Another one: Comprehensive Plan of Action: History of South East Asia cat? --Merbabu (talk) 13:55, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

?????

Second Sumatran Expedition --Merbabu (talk) 09:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

More MA shit. --Merbabu (talk) 10:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

English Dialects Task Force

Thanks It appears that you're an Australian, so I'm assuming that you're familiar with Australian English, then? I appreciate your interest, as I was getting a little discouraged by the lack of response. I hope a handful of other editors would be willing to work on this with us. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

All good

It's all good mate..... I don't really feel I have much to contribute these days other than info on the Brighton Bypass. I've pretty much given up on Hobart Airport, as I cannot find replacement references for the dead links.... and I had trouble converting the information I got on the Hobart Transport study - so that's on hold indefinitely. I still check my watch list almost daily and from time to time continue to fix tag info on Wiki project Hotel pages..... on a personal note, I'm at that stage in my life where I never seem to have enough time on my hands, which could explain my lack of editing these days. All is good, thanks Mate. Take care and edit well. Wiki ian 12:39, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Transport in Asia - Category currently uses US variant

You voted on Indonesia and seem to have interest outside that country, maybe you can vote at: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_6#Category:Transportation_in_Asia - this is one of the few inconsistent naming. Subcategories and most of the Asian countries use "transport". TruckCard (talk) 13:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

some bring up very weird arguments. TruckCard (talk) 13:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Help needed for Wolfram Aichele page

Please can you help: I have tried to add copyright tags to the images on the page of Wolfram Aichele.

I do not wish these images to be removed but am not sure if I have done the copyright tags correctly. The copyright for all images resides with Wolfram Aichele, and I have tagged them with the following:

Many thanks for your help. Misterhistory (talk) 15:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)Misterhistory

Made change to Xantho page

Thanks SatuSuro... I have made the changes to the Xantho page as suggested. (Jeoly (talk) 07:13, 14 September 2010 (UTC))

Re:Article regarding Dutch colonialists

I don't even remember I created that article :-) Let me think about it ... Meursault2004 (talk) 11:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

It is indeed very bad and rather bizar *lol* Meursault2004 (talk) 11:04, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Now I remember. I modeled that article after this article: "List of ethnic conflicts involving the British Empire". The latter has been deleted in 2005. Meursault2004 (talk) 14:01, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Bridges

Not a problem; the WikiProject tags are only one of the many secondary tools we have and are easy to overlook. Don't worry; we'll catch them all eventually :) Thanks much for your work on this!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 15, 2010; 14:28 (UTC)

Ta for that

Not sure which user you're talking about. (I tag a lot of articles.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 23:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Happens a lot. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

He posted is as a subpage of his user page, but he didn't have a regular user page so it automatically redirected to that subpage. I created a user page (with a period as its only content) to stop that. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:07, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you laugh, or do you cry? (Or both?)

Thanks! Most appreciated!! (And thanks for your email, too.)
At this stage, just keep an eye on it please, and do whatever you feel useful/necessary.
If I feel I need artillery support, I'll ask you for it.
Best wishes, and many thanks. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

From my time on this ole golefish bowle - sigh deeply, and usually walk away - there's a lot more damned un tagged cat talk pages that dont ever talk back :) SatuSuro 11:22, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

ROTFL!

You are, of course, COMPLETELY correct!

Thanks again. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:29, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. They seem to be getting a bit "bolshie", and there are two of them, and only one of me ... Pdfpdf (talk) 11:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I'm over-reacting - maybe it's not yet time for the artillery, but I'm starting to think it might be time to call in the cavalry. Your thoughts? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Asia Project

If you mean the project banner, assessment categories, etc., I should be, although I'm not quite an every day editor right now, more like every other day or so. Just drop me a word when you want everything set up. If you have any sort of image for the banner and project in mind, let me know that too, so I can add it as appropriate. John Carter (talk) 00:07, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know about Portal:Asia. Taking that into account, the set-up of a project page is going to be, generally, not hard, it's basically a cut-and-paste job. The questions which come to mind are whether you want to try to subsume any of the other extant regional projects, particularly any inactive ones, into this new parent project. If yes, setting up the project banner to do so isn't that hard. If not, then I think I should be able to work on most of the other regional project banners to provide at least quality assessment ratings for the Asia project, which might be useful in selecting articles etc. for the portal. Altering images, like maybe File:Asiaportal2.png is a bit beyond my ability, but if you wanted to use File:Asiaportal.PNG I should be able to set up for that. John Carter (talk) 00:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Re:Dutch ...

Tidak apa-apa. Oh, I forgot, we must speak English here :-) Just like I said last week, it was indeed a bizzare because I based it on another article which has been deleted. Meursault2004 (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

St. Petersburg Metro

Tautological as it may seem, that was the full name of the metro system. I don't know whether the current translation is the best one possible, but there is no going around the fact that it mentions Lenin three times. As for the links, they should probably be removed from the name and linked to later in the text (where the matters of the name and the awards are discussed). I agree they don't at all help readers parse this already cumbersome name.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 23, 2010; 12:48 (UTC)

Greetings

Apa Khabar and Kia ora. Thanks very much for welcoming me on my user talk page. I am a Malaysian living in New Zealand but I have a very strong interest in Indonesian and Malaysian history from the medieval period to the present. I have an interest in the Indonesian National Revolution in particularly and I'm thinking of working on the articles on Sultan Hamid II, the Aceh War and Raymond Westerling's APRA Coup. Have a good week and I look forward to working with you in the future. Andykatib September 25, 06:20 (UTC)

sub=cat

NP, wouldnt the streets in the CBD be a sub-cat of the roads in the metro area. Gnangarra 06:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion

After examining the categories further, I better understand the intended purpose. I didn’t realize that Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory; Worsley, Western Australia; and Weipa, Queensland were mining towns specifically devoted to mining bauxite.

Here is the arrangement I made, which really only affected six articles: Originally the category Category:Bauxite mining in Australia contained: Bauxite mining in Australia; Alcoa World Alumina and Chemicals; Australian Aluminium Council; Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory; Worsley, Western Australia; and Weipa, Queensland. I placed Bauxite mining in Australia in Category:Mining in Australia. I placed Alcoa World Alumina and Chemicals and Australian Aluminium Council in a new category, Category:Aluminium companies of Australia, a name consistent with other country’s Aluminum companies. I didn't realize the importance of the three location articles to the category, until after reading your message, when I placed them in the Category:Mining towns in Australia. I would not be opposed to recreating the category Category:Bauxite mining in Australia containing Bauxite mining in Australia, Category:Aluminium companies of Australia and a category for mining towns which mine bauxite. Sorry about all the confusion, I hope all this makes some sense! and in the future I will try to leave better edit summaries! Best of editing! Scientific29 (talk) 22:15, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Sore toe

Do a "find" on the article - it is mentioned there. But, not significant enough to be mentioned in the lead. Fixed.

By the way, I wondering whether we should reserve "Southeast Asia" as a cat for articles that actually relate to SEA has a whole rather than individual countries. Note that Geography of Ghana and Germany don't use either Africa or Europe as cats. --Merbabu (talk) 13:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

I thank you for your message and for the guideline references.Acsacal (talk) 14:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Prambanan Plain

I've criss-crossed this terrain by walking or in motorbike, and visited all the temples in the map I've created about Prambanan Plain. The reasons of me creating the map and the article is to improve the coverage on the Prambanan Plain, especially its interesting archaeological sites, which if managed and promoted in better way, despite smaller scale of the temple, I think it is quite comparable with Angkor archaeological site.

I'll try to find references on this matter. I remember it was mentioned in some books about Central Javan temples (let's see what I can do). The term "Prambanan Plain" was coined to identify the volcanic plain rich with archaeological sites area around Prambanan temple with all its historic significance (as historical "Mataram"). As counterpart with Kedu Plain area around Borobudur. Roughly Kedu Plain is today Magelang and Temanggung Regency, while Prambanan Plain is Today Sleman and Klaten Regency and some part of northern Bantul regency, bordering with Sewu limestone mountain range in the southeast that make up most of Gunung Kidul terrain. I'll arrange the order of the sites. Regards (Gunkarta (talk) 09:27, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

List of medical schools

List of medical schools in Indonesia is not actually my work. It was an attempt to shorten the List of medical schools in Asia because such long lists can take too long on slower internet, which are very common in Asian countries. I just made a new article by moving text from one place to other. Also, consider looking the template below. There are already lists like these present on wikipedia. If you want to nominate List of medical schools in Indonesia for deletion, go ahead. If we add a link to websites of each medical college in the list, it would fulfill the primary sources at least. Take List of medical schools in Pakistan for an example. Farjad0322^{(talk|sign|contribs)} 09:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Pathways for Indonesian National Routes

I am confused: when talking about Pathways of Indonesian National Routes, Must I join the SK.930/AJ.401/DRJD/2007 or "Java Roads and Transport Map for 2010 Eid Mubarak Going-Home Event" which is made by JASAMARGA, POLRI, and Department of Transportation, and Department of National Project? Y4n (talk) 13:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I am talking which is the more appropriate source for writing "Indonesian National Route" articles in wikipedia. Is it "SK.930/AJ.401/DRJD/2007" or "Java Roads and Transport Map for 2010 Eid Mubarak Going-Home Event by JASAMARGA, POLRI, and Department of Transportation, and Department of National Project" Y4n (talk) 04:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Shipwrecks

Who said barnstars are passé? Anyway, when you find a really good source, you've gotta mine it for all the info. I suppose the source could be used to expand the ship launch lists too, but I'll stick to the shipwrecks for now. Mjroots (talk) 07:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I haven't got the technical savvy either, but there is Template:WikiProject Ships Barnstar for ship-related matters. You could suggest the creation of one at the Shipwrecks WP talk page. Mjroots (talk) 07:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! Exactly how inactive is the shipwrecks WP? You may be aware of the various styles of lists of shipwrecks. I think it would be good if a standard format could be agreed upon at WP level. Mjroots (talk) 12:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yogyakarta

I'm thinking it would be best to move the Yogyakarta pages around. I'd like to see the following:

• "Yogyakarta" - about the city (currently about the DI)
• "Yogyakarta Special Region" - about the province/special region
• "Yogyakarta Sultanate" - to remain as is
• "Yogyakarta (disambiguation)" - to remain as is.

Ie, when someone says Yogyakarta, they are invariably referring to the city, and not the Special Region. However, as I recall, the current set up was pushed (smashed?) through by Tobias Conradi, a particularly difficult editor who had firm ideas about how to arrange geography pages all around the world, even though he limited understanding of most of what he touched. He is now banned from wikipedia.

What do you think? --Merbabu (talk) 11:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Viktor Pogadayev

An auto-biography. Afd??? --Merbabu (talk) 11:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

fine

Other the the extraordinary series coincidences indicating that probabilities are reducing, and we face the immanent collapse of the time wave function, I have no reason to complain, especially as QI is on the tele. How are you? cygnis insignis 13:39, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Asia project

OK, I've got a start on the Asia project banner. However, I would probably want to know which if any of the "subnational" or related projects included in the WP:PROJDIR/ASIA you would want included in the banner as well. John Carter (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

The banner is more or less finished, except for perhaps some of the sub-national projects, like Wikipedia:WikiProject India has in abundance. Thr project page is still not finished, however. And I, unfortunately, am probably going to be signing off fairly quickly for the day, probably not to return till Friday, US time. But everything should be finished, including the project page, categories, and what not by Friday night my time. Sorry that's still a bit off, but tomorrow looks to be a very busy day, and I doubt seriously if I will be able to do anything then. John Carter (talk) 23:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

The categories are going to be automatically filled by the banner, and I'm trying to use the existing categories of each project so that none have to be created. But it would be useful to know if the subnational projects, like for instance Wikipedia:WikiProject Assam, Wikipedia:WikiProject Ossetia, Wikipedia:WikiProject Central Asia/Tuva work group are ones you want to include in the banner as well. John Carter (talk) 00:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't figuring for a specific category tag. We do have User:John Carter/WikiProject Asia, which still needs the categories for it created. Unfortunately. It took a bit longer today than I expected. All the categories for the banner should be finished on Sunday. John Carter (talk) 00:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm actually having trouble finding an extant category assessment tag, and haven't actually made any before. If you could point out one to me I should be able to easily make one. If I can find one on my own, of course, I will create an Asia one on that basis. John Carter (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

All the templates I find seem to be general templates at this point. But if you were to just cut and paste {{WikiProject Asia|class=cat}}, that should work as well. John Carter (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Maltese tanker sinking off Brittany

Sky News are reporting that a Maltese-registered tanker is sinking off Brittany following a collision. Mjroots (talk) 08:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Further details at List of shipwrecks in 2010#8 October. Mjroots (talk) 08:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I've sorted out the ship names, both were reported incorrectly. TV on here, still saying it's sinking. As with all breaking news stories, details are liable to change as reporting continues. Mjroots (talk) 09:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Removing old ABC shortwave calls

My belief is that these tables were meant for mediumwave AM and VHF FM stations, and nothing else.New World Man (talk) 06:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome and all that information, which I will certainly use. Proof64 (talk) 01:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

More thanks. Beefart says hello.

I need some help

Hi! Im trying to do a project for my Enlgish Class and I would like to know if you could help me in this.I have to write an article of any topic so i would truly appreciate if you could help me thank you Natquintana (talk) 18:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Region overlaps

I think all regions overlap to a certain extent, it can indeed be tricky at times to know when to draw the line ;) Nick carson (talk) 06:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Bali

Any pics you want me to take whilst I'm over her?Dan arndt (talk) 00:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Beefart says

I have stopped signing only because I am trying to dispense with my ego and to become simpler. My identity is of no importance to history. I confess, as I have done on numerous occasions, that I am an insomniac and that I write only late at night, when I am in my cups. I have NEVER meant harm. Are you saying that Wikipedia has made my modus operandi dangerous? Is the Wikipedian thought police after me simply because I do not care who knows my name? This seems to reflect the Usanian culture of the relentless promotion of the fame of the individual. I have played many a joke on Wikipedia (several of which still exist in the entries because nobody had tumbled to them) but I have never done so with malice. I have made many original or useful contributions (in my own humble opinion) and dozens of them have been ripped to pieces or destroyed by fools with less than one tenth of the literary talent with which you and I have been blessed. The threat to Wikipedia lies not with talented clowns but with mediocre hacks who, for one reason or another, have made their way up the bureaucratic ladder at Wikipedia and are now at liberty, in their self-indulgent ignorance, to do more harmh than good. Captainbeefart (talk) 12:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Northern Tasmania, etc.

Thanks for your comments on your talk page. With regards to the Anglican province stubs, I just copied the information from Anglican Church of Australia, figuring that since all the other Anglican provinces had their own articles, these might as well too. With regards to Devonport, it is definitely part of the North west. I don't have a source on hand for this, but the dividing line would be between Latrobe (NW) and Deloraine (North). Northern Tasmania is correct if one is viewing the state as having two regions (and I've added it back for the Devonport category), but three is more common, I think - e.g. the old area codes. StAnselm (talk) 01:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Re Template:Infobox mountain

You are using {{Infobox mountain}} on your sub page User:SatuSuro/sandbox. Your infobox used deprecated parameter names. In the near future the template is to be updated and the old parameter names will no longer work. I updated the template for you. I hope that was OK. –droll [chat] 20:29, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

please stop contacting me on this topic

you've made your point, thanks. LibStar (talk) 05:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

you sound like you want to get on my back and follow me around. please desist and cease your WP:WIKIHOUNDing. LibStar (talk) 05:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Quite busy right now!

I've been quite busy lately, with the little one, and also changing jobs (not leaving mining, just changing mines). We've just came back from a trip through the south, just for a week. Went to Wave Rock, Esperance, Bremer Bay and the Porongorups. I have to filter through the pictures and see whether there is anything useful for commons. But time is a little limited right now! Will you be adding the map to Gold mining in Western Australia? I think, it should be there. Calistemon (talk) 23:34, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you on providing references on my edits... you are really helpful, really appreciate it. Cheers! :) (Gunkarta (talk) 13:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)).

I think you deserve it, the diligence criteria is not just about assessing articles, your tireless contributions really counts. (Gunkarta (talk) 13:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC))

Merapi

The infographics of Indonesian media shows a wider pyroclastic flow tracks, yes traditionally it runs southwest, but now is wider, spanned from west to south-southeast (Gunkarta (talk) 13:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)).

Yeah... it runs on streams and rivers on southern side slopes too, some of cold lahar reach opak rivers too, reminds me about historic eruptions over a milennia ago that burried temples of Medang Mataram kingdom. Sambisari, Morangan, and Pustakasala is the eerie reminder of this powerful and fierce volcano. (Gunkarta (talk) 13:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC))

Really? near Sambisari? that place is rather safe right now, the eruption is that not that massive to reach Sambisari. I know a co-worker lives in Condong Catur area near Gebang temple, that is quite far from the peak, I do not know any who lived near the Merapi peak (red zone). (Gunkarta (talk) 14:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC))

mea maxima culpa

Hello, JarrahTree. You have new messages at Robertgreer's talk page.
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Indonesian rivers

I know I usually get a customary message from you whenever I create an Indonesian article which implies I should stop but I had to create articles which I see as major rivers of Indonesia, some of them it is almost embarrassing that we don't have articles for. Indonesia has hundreds if not thousands of rivers and those started this evening are mostly major rivers which should have article expanded for them asap. So rather than having you moan at me and ticking me off, the best thing would be to expand them in dur course if you'll pardon the pun. People will be grateful in the long run..♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Haha! I'll expand hopefully 4 major rivers of Sumatra perhaps as part of a "A-Z World series" I'm doing with Nvvchar. He's the river expert though so I'll let him pick. Today I will try to add some flesh to the bones of as many as I can humanly manage. I'd rather NOT create sub stubs these days though, especially given the general attitude to them and the amount of work generated that is needed. But I think given that Indonesia likely has thousand sof rivers (judging by my map of Papua there must be hundreds in that part alone) we should at least have articles on the major rivers and and they should be expanded and written in asap. I'll ask some of the active decent Indonesian editors if they can expand a few. Ideally I'd be expanding every Indonesian article like North Halmahera but the biggest obstacle is time. At present I'm transferring Antarctica public domain content, the first real "enmasse" work I've done in well over a year. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I've added a bit to Sungi River and will follow suite with a few others. Can't believe Mengwi is missing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:36, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Thou art a cynic. I am only too aware of the status of the Indonesian project but User:Gunkarta is decent, probably not enough for you though.... Yuck Indonesian soccer sub stubs? Sound like a gold mine of information...♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I know what you mean. If my Kalimantan pulping case study I did an university is anything to go by they are nothing more than open sewers to some Indonesians....♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Pawan River is visible on the world map I have on my wall! The map is pretty basic of every country so it must be a major river.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Give it 5 days and maybe you'll see more sources and content! What would you consider than top priority? Would you consider regencies mid importance? LOL at the thousands of contentless stubs about sub sub districts on Indonesian wikipedia... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Mmm and how many editors are actively actually expanding these stubs and writing proper articles on Indonesian subjects? Virtually nobody I'm sure...♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Ninety East Ridge

You appear to be the biggest contributer to the Ninety East Ridge Wikipage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ninety_East_Ridge

I added a new section that I would like you to review. It's about a portion of the Ninety East Ridge being the antipodal point of the Yucatan Crater that ended the Jurassic Era and wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Volcanoes are commonly formed at the antipodal points of major meteor impact craters. This impact could possibly be what formed the volcanoes of or at least parts of the Ninety East Ridge.

West Papua cats

They're a mess. There seems to be a jumble of interchangeable usage of terms. I'm suggesting removing anything that refers to Western New Guinea and West Papua, and redoing it all using "...of West Papua province" or "...of the West Papua region" as appropriate. What do you think? --Merbabu (talk) 21:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Invite

Per your participation in the WikiProject Council proposal,

Sven Manguard _Talk 06:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Article 'Latihan' recently edited and restored.

Welcome to Wikipedia. The contents of the article 'Latihan' are currently not written in encyclopedic style. It comes across both as inappropriate preaching and as a sales pitch, whereas objective and impartial style is necessary. The current wording refers to the author in plural form; "we", "us" and "our"; but in referring to unidentified people, it should say "they", "them" and "their". The current text lacks citations, yet has many statements of highly questionable opinion that are blatantly expressed as if factual. A range of qualifying, explanatory phrases is needed. For example -- "which members of Subud often regard as" / "sometimes claimed to be" / "widely thought, among Subud members, to be" / "said by some practitioners to be" / "according to many practitioners" / "supposed" / "supposedly" / "apparently" / "is generally viewed as" / and so on. Otherwise the article may qualify for deletion. Read [neutral point of view] and [not a means of promotion] and [pages for deletion]. Though it too lacked citations, the preceding version from 31 October 2010 was much more along the lines of Wikipedia's expected style, and it had been pretty much the extant version for 18 months, prior to 4th September 2010. (Incidentally, the current text is said by the 4th September user to come from web.net/Latihan, which is nonsense.) The 'Latihan' article will be edited again in due course, introducing neutral point of view, removing the soapbox presentation, and adding appropriate citations, but in the meantime it seems ridiculous to have restored the current content.

4 times is nothing!

Not sure if someone would be paid for that text! 4 recreations is unfortunately not the worst I've seen, and it's a problem not constrained just to our Indonesian friends. Hope all is well with you. --Stephen 12:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Wadyarekon???

Where do you think this is? It think it is somewhere in Pati Central Java. What's the building though? By the way, have you seen the Bogor article in the last few days??? :-) --Merbabu (talk) 11:43, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Indonesian Heritage Series

I see you started this article. Do you have any of these? cheers --Merbabu (talk) 12:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, mate. The level of support on Wikipedia by other editors while and after having been harassed by User:Whwya has just been awsome. Its good to know you are not alone. Calistemon (talk) 14:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again, always good to know I can call in the cavalry when under attack! Heading of to sleep now, Calistemon (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that I relied on ANI and an administrator to step in and have a look. That's however a slow prosess and I was forced to defend myself. Once Whwya resortet to insults, I didn't bother anymore, just let things take their turn, he had disqualified himself from being taken serious anymore. Calistemon (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Candi - Temples

It seems like there is a fair bit of unnessary overlap between Candi of Indonesia and Ancient temples of Java. I'd like to propose the following:

• Keep two articles. Make one a list and one prose.
• "Ancient temples of Java” is the prose article. Move "Candi" article to “List of ancient temples in Java” - this is to be list only content. Ie, prose info to be merged into prose article above. (Alternatively, in both articles substitute “candi” for “Ancient temples” but I prefer the latter as it is English.)
• Candi are overwhelmingly a Javan phenomenon as this list demonstrates - all but the page name is overwhelmingly Java-focussed as it should be. The 6 non-Java temples right at the end can be under a heading like “non-Java temples”.
• The list article should be limited to one sentence only about the temple. I would discourage the use of images and particularly tables.

what do you think? I'd like to run this past Gunkarta too as he was the prime contributor to the Candi article. --Merbabu (talk) 12:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The fact that the most of Indonesian Candi or ancient temples are located in Java is indeed true, yet to overlook or to ignore non-Javan temples is not wise either. Just like Soekmono states: "Candi" is not always means temples; some gates (Bajang Ratu, Wringin Lawang), remnant of secular non-religious buildings or part of palaces (Ratu Boko, Trowulan sites), or "petirtaan" pool and bathing place structures (Candi Tikus i Trowulan, Jalatunda in Penanggungan, Tirtha Empul in Bali) are also called "Candi". The term "Candi" is somehow only used in Indonesian (and Malaysian) languages. Malaysian also called their temple Candi Lembah Bujang. Yet to make things more complicated, today within Pura (Balinese temple) candi is considered as a type of shrine that bears ancient Java-Bali temple traits. Even new candi could still be constructed today by Balinese Hindu, Within Pura Parahyangan Agung Jagadnatha in Gunung Salak have a Candi (built in recent decade) dedicated to Legendary King Siliwangi. The BaliPost office in Jakarta have a functioning candi within their building complex. So the term "ancient" and the period restriction is not quite valid either. My proposal:

• Keep two articles
• Candi of Indonesia served as the big umbrella (the mother-article) of a group of Indonesian Ancient Structures (Hindu-Buddhist ancient structure dated from 7th to 15th century in Java, Bali, Sumatra) with details of its styles and it is not always functioned as temple, the main concentration of the article goes here. The candi list may stay here.
• Ancient temples of Java are a more specific article dealing with Javanese temples only. It must stick to temples and it must stick to Java; that means Ratu Boko secular or habitation structure in Trowulan, the gates of Bajang Ratu and Wringin Lawang, Petirtaan of Candi Tikus and Jalatunda in Penanggungan should not be mentioned here as they are not temples. (Gunkarta (talk) 13:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)).

Cat question

Do you know why Category:Architectural styles lists the sub-cats twice, but in a different format? It's bugging me. lol --Merbabu (talk) 13:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars

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		I award you this Barnstar for your tireless efforts patrolling and enhancing the article, especially providing references, greatly appreciated, congratulations! (Gunkarta (talk) 13:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC))

placed here - as the userpage is being trimmed SatuSuro 14:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

About declined PROD of Pentol

I personally think this kind of articles should be speedily deleted, but I had to decline your proposed deletion, because the same article was fairly declined a PROD previously. Per Wikipedia:PROD, articles that have been declined a PROD cannot be proposed again if the article has not changed substantially. You can take it to an AFD if you so desire. Thank you. --Legion fi (talk) 05:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of West Java provitional under-23 football team

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Thanks :)

Thank for feedback SatuSuro, and will make a note not to over-cat in future SpringSummerAutumn (talk) 05:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Pedder

Looks familiar: sigh Aaroncrick ^TALK 07:31, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

And they say this is too close, so...

• Your text: "which should have seen them have 16 powerplay overs, but they instead had 19"
• Source text: "That should have meant they had 16 Powerplay overs but the umpires permitted them 19."

Anyhow, its needs to be written in prose - but may never be done. And oh, wow - every FAC from now on will be spot checked; I'm sure there are plenty current FAs that has text cloe to the source. Aaroncrick ^TALK 22:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

A new project: Iron ore mining in Western Australia

I've started a new article in User:Calistemon1/Sandbox, which is meant to eventually become Iron ore mining in Western Australia. It's a long overdue article, I think. Your expertise and input would, as always, be very welcome. I'm knocking off now, time to sleep, but hope to do some more work tomorrow. Calistemon (talk) 13:27, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I havn't done any research on the non-Pilbara mines, that is still to come. I will have to check the websites in the next couple of days. Calistemon (talk) 11:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

You mean Category:Iron ore mining locations in Western Australia? I will include this category in the Iron ore mining in Western Australia Template I want to create eventually, too. It's just going to be an expansion of the already existing Iron ore mining in the Pilbara template. Calistemon (talk) 12:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Note to self - midwest iron ore mines include:-

• Robinson range
• Mount Gould
• Jack Hills
• Weld range
• Wilune west
• Tallering Peak
• Minga Well
• Warriedar
• Blue hills
• Plateau
• Extension hill
• Koolanooka
• Karara mangada

SatuSuro 15:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I think, we should remove Iron ore mines in Oz from the articles, now that you added your new category and made it a sub of the former. It is indeed a dublicate otherwise and unnecessary. Calistemon (talk) 23:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

The question with the inactive list is to how long will it be and do we have any sources as to what to include and what not. As for the later, the annual DMP map with active mines, projects and mines in care and maintenance would possibly do, but it ignores any historical mines. Of which they may not be that many in iron ore, unlike gold. Calistemon (talk) 08:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Iron ore mines in the Pilbara region.

In the absence of any volunteers, I've created this rather primitive map of iron ore mining in the Pilbara. It will still need more work but its a start. Calistemon (talk) 14:49, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

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Now I have an admin harassing me, joys of Wikipedia. Love to send you some water! Looks quite bad over there (WA) ATM, I see you also had the first bad bushfire for the season. :( Can't get over how wet it is but it isn't helping the farmers harvest and next week isn't looking any better. Bidgee (talk) 12:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

DMP

I discussed it with Moondyne a few weeks back and he was of the opinion, giving how the discussion on compulsory disambiguation is going, we don't need it at this stage. If you want to move it, I suggest to put it at Western Australian Department of Mines and Petrolium. Calistemon (talk) 13:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. Its a bit of a problem, do we want short article names or clear article names. Choices, choices! While you are here, is there a major commodity missing from Template:Mining in Western Australia? I listed all the once on the yearly DMP digest, but can you yhink of another that one could consider major? Calistemon (talk) 13:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I did see the other ones as well, but the annual digest choses to give them a lesser status and, given that all but two are redlinks right now, the others can be added should an article come along. The only one I added that wasn't in the digest under majors was Salt. Calistemon (talk) 13:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added another commodity which both of us completeley forgot about, since it is not mined in WA anymore but still deserves to be listed: Asbestos! Calistemon (talk) 08:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Orebodies 18, 23 and 25 mine

Its listed on the BHP website (Mining and Processing) as a smaller satellite mine, alongside Jimblebar. MINDEX also has it down as ahving a crusher at Orebodies 25. Its also shown on the various official resources maps. Not much more on it otherwise. Odd name, unfortunatley, something shorter would be nice. Calistemon (talk) 09:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Its usually the Geologists that are responsible for the names. Sometimes they come up with a great name, at other times its just downright boring. Blame them! Calistemon (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

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Indonesian soccer (?)

Yeh, I never heard of it and I wonder if any article on the topic would meet notability :). I also share your concern in terms of content, is just that fighting vandalism and/or nonsense is not something I am good at. However I would encourage you to take more severe and WP:BOLD action. --Elekhh (talk) 23:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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Re: gnaraloo

I bet it is ... I found the article this morning when I read a weather report saying "the severe weather warning between Carnarvon and Gnaraloo has been cancelled", and on a lark, decided to look up the latter location. Nice work on the article. You might want to watchlist Carnarvon as well, if you haven't already done so, because this vandalism wasn't completely undone until last night. Carnarvon had an incredible amount of rain last night! Graham87 13:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh BTW "Gnaraloo" sounds like Mary Lou in my American English speech synthesiser, which amuses me to no end. Graham87 13:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Nope, there is an Australian English speech voice but it speaks too slowly for me. I can't get my current synth to say Wollongong or Katanning correctly, and only got it to say Mandurah by respelling it as "Mandurahh" (thanks to a typo I found on another website). There is a pronunciation dictionary that allows me to correct these problems permanently, but until I fixed it, it said Port Hedland as "Port Head Land". Oh dear. Graham87 13:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I can only imagine what it would do with Ewlyamartup, Gwambygine, Pinwernying and Yoweragabbie. :) Orderinchaos 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Indonesian village notability

See Talk:Batuan, Bali#Notability. --Bejnar (talk) 05:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I take your point, but it would be nice to have a consensus. Perhaps this will bring one about. Davidelit (Talk) 05:09, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

It would have been nice to pick examples that were entirely without redeeming encyclopedic value. The problem is one of perception. Personally, I don't think that it is cost effective of my time to create an article for every place in the world; however, when I happen across one that has problems, such as ambiguity, I do like to fill in the missing citation, complete the list of possible places, or rectify the language, or other edits as appropriate. I realize that Dr. Blofeld feels more strongly about creating these stubs that I, thus I doubt if you will be able to reach a consensus given previous discussions of this topic in other areas. I believe that it would be counter-productive to start a rash of deletions of Indonesian geographic stubs. --Bejnar (talk) 05:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Let's keep the discussions in one place at the Indonesia project page. here cheers --Merbabu (talk) 08:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Given what you said, which I agree on, I wonder why you decided to upon a "village notability" post at WP:Indonesia and supported Davidelit's tagging of articles like Koor, Indonesia. You of all people should know I have the capabilities of expanding most geo articles at leats to contain some worthy and you should also know that the articles I start are generally notable if not obscure but well within guidelines. We've got off on the wrong foot in this instance and yes David's action have made me a little pissed off. But what gets to me Satusaro is way you treat our Indonesian articles and rather than nurturing them and putting in the effort would rather delete everything in site. I agree they need an injection of quality but I won't be made to fell bad about creating the articles I have to date for Indonesia. As far as I'm aware I was not the one who created tons of regency sub subs. This issue has gone on long enough. I strongly suggest you highlight which articles need expanding and we do some work to at least add some content/infoboxes.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I asked that the templates be drawn up for Burma so I can hop easily from one township to another and start/expand the main towns and villages which have some note in a historical British gazeteer. I would simply not have the time to start every village anyway.Yes, I did start covering it on a every village basis but given time limits and lack of sources I believe it is more beneficial to start those like Kutkai which do have sources and major villages which are at least mentioned rather than a xxx is a village type stubs. The infrastructure is in place then so if info does become available others can be started. There are two things which anger me the most on wikipedia, accusations of "creating non notable useless sub stubs" and "dumping articles and expecting others to do the work". My articles are created on what appear to me to be notable subjects and an effort to address systematic bias and if they are initially short its because i either don';t have the time to write them fully, we are lacking contributors to expand them or nobody has bothered to do some library research on them. Unfortunately Indonesia suffers form lack of active credible wikipedians like most non anglo countries on here so when you create articles it is not that likely they will be expanded. I'd be lying though if I didn't wish that more people would come along and expand what I started but the spririt of wikipedia is collaboration.I agree it would be better for me to be creating quality articles like Tobelo and North Maluku but once again "time" is the key. Irian jaya is huge. It is not unreasonable to have articles on 10-15 of its largest villages. If you want a specific article expanded ask, (Davidelit!!!!!) threatening AFDs and notability tags on articles which are verified and generally snowball accepted in AFDs is not the way to go about it and it shows a distinct lack of good faith as to why I started them in the first place. If you consider that 99% of AFDs ever thrown at me have been kept because they were expanded with plenty of sources, I seem to have a very good idea about notability. First priority for Indonesia I agree is to sort out the regencies rather than starting villages. First stage is infoboxes and data. They should all at least have an infobox and populaion/area data.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:29, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh I know you know I can work with you as a way forward to improve quality and improve those articles which non english editors have "dumped" but the problem is that some of the others at the moment don't appear to be aware of what I can do on here.. Even you must agree that David's mass tagging of what are mostly notable articles is clumsy and misguided. In regards to Indonesian settlements I'd say we have it very easy on here, most provinces barely have more than a few towns in the categories. I'd say Malaysia has a problem at least ten times worse in regards to settlements than indonesia does largely thanks to poor english speakers in Kuala Lumpur no doubts. The regency articles though are in serious need of nurturing..

See Sausapor and Bontobahari...♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more. What we need is a cleanout of Indonesian articles, to source and expand them and route out the hoaxes, but its gonna require a lot of effort. Bunaka is speediable and should have been deleted long ago. What I seriously think you need to get out of habit of thinking Satusaro is that every village/small town of Indonesia can't be expanded as is non notable. Its not 2005 anymore. Although google has only scanned 12 million books out of 130 million already it is becoming possible to find scraps of info from google books which can be put to some use. I agree its time a new phase began with WP:Indonesia and we AFD the non notable articles and expand the xxx one liners. It needs a serious injection of quality I think. But I can't do it all myself!! You've long complained about the regencies being lacking. We both know they are notable so lets get on with sorting them out. Nothing will get done sitting back complaining about it..♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I've begun expanding Aceh Besar Regency and have sourced all of the regencies of Aceh with population data. The problem is that some of the areas have changed and that population appears to be dramatically increasing in places. Most of the 2000 data though is consistant. Given time I will try to source all of the articles at least with population data. Is a big task and might I say a very heavy one. Given that I'm naturally a fun loving person I can't stick at the task solely for too long. If I can try to tackle a province every day or two so they at least have some referenced data. I've requested that the maps are uploaded into the commons and added which should make some difference... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

OK heres another of the pointless villages Saukorem! Luckily I've now got a tool wchih enables me to quickly compile sources.♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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Bunaka

No, it's not a case of a valid article vandalised: you can see in the history that the very first entry contains the false information - the position 7°49′ S 121°6′ E (where maps show nothing) and the claimed area (348 km² = 34,800 ha, where the largest of the real Derawan Islands is about 6,000 ha) and population (6,750, where the total Derawan population is about 4,000). JohnCD (talk) 09:58, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

It's worrying how false information from Wikipedia spreads across the Internet, and persists. We had a hoax article about a non-existent English village "Monvilla", deleted more than two and a half years ago at AfD, but that village is still in Geonames, with text from our article, as is Bunaka. JohnCD (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Very belated response

Hi SatuSuro,

Saw your edit on the 1935 Sumatra earthquake and that finally reminded me to respond to your question (I only took 11 months to get round to it) on my talk page. I would be happy to help out where I can with reviews (although the ship has probably sailed by now). Cheers, Mikenorton (talk) 21:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

People Skills strikes again...

How to win friends and influence people? --Merbabu (talk) 11:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. :) Orderinchaos 13:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm almost fed-up with Wikipedia, I'm just getting very sick of the abuse, bad faith allegations, accused of a POV and being wrongfully blocked more then once! Some days I question whether is Wikipedia even wealth my time, I put in a lot of effort but seems that all I get back is having shit thrown at my face. Bidgee (talk) 13:30, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

My replies to any of the inferences above can only be shared off wiki due to WP:AGF , WP:CIVILITY, and the problem of trying to reply in languages that cannot be caught by http://translate.google.com/# SatuSuro 13:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Bidgee, I feel much the same way. I don't even try to contribute the way I used to, and I end up focusing on narrow areas of personal interest which noone else is interested in. The upside is spending less time on WP saw me get an HD last semester in a 2nd year maths unit. :) Orderinchaos 19:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Tired of life, WP?

Please leave messages by email rather than here - thanks SatuSuro 00:49, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok. ;-) --Merbabu (talk) 01:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Republic of South Moluccas

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query about attack

Sure, let me know details. Dougweller (talk) 07:11, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Forgot to wish you a Merry Christmas, so here it comes: Happy Christmas from the stinking hot Pilbara, have a great time, Calistemon (talk) 12:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Just a bit hot, thats all, 46 today. Hope that fly didn't get you! Calistemon (talk) 12:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

All quiet on the Cyclone front. AC's we have in the rooms, but obviuosly not out in the plant. Just dust and heat. I took a fair few photos but I'm not sure I'm supposed to upload them. Calistemon (talk) 12:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I go away watching Are You Being Served? (program aired way before I was even born, pity they don't make it like it use to be these days) and have fun (not really) trying to do 360-180 panoramas (isn't going too well), and my user page gets vandalised (must have been bad for the diffs to be hidden!) but not sure what I've done to upset them. I've forgotten what a cyclone is like! Last TC I was in was Cyclone Helen, bit hard to be in one now that I live south of the tropics! I trust you that you all had a good Xmas? Bidgee (talk) 17:02, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• Merry Christmas and a happy new year too, from an intermittently sunny Wellington, NZ Hugo999 (talk) 03:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Book Number Problem

I think what you're referring to is some stuff I may have accidentally removed when combatting Skype being annoying. I have forgotten to put it back when sorting things out. If you want to put it back, then please do so. Sorry for the inconvenice, I hate that Skype bug just as much as you. Kapitan110295 (talk) 10:29, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Skype mistakingly identifies numbers, such as some birthdates or, indeed, book numbers, as telephone numbers and as such when I edit it Skype continued to see them as telephone numbers, which may mean that some excess java is left over when I edit. I try to delete it, but I do occasionally leave some behind or edit too much, which is what happened at the election page you talked about. I am terribly sorry for any inconvenience, but I can't really help it. Kapitan110295 (talk) 06:23, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Indonesian regions...

FYI --Merbabu (talk) 08:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

1999 Ambon/Maluku violence...

There doesn't seem to be an article. Do you know of one? --Merbabu (talk) 10:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

"Manar"

No need for thanks - I am glad you brought it to my attention. As you can see, I have been researching the area a bit since your first note. It is many years since I was up there, but I do have a few books and old papers on the region as my wife and I once spent a year doing an economic development study of Cape York Peninsula and the Torres Strait. I haven't turned up anything on "Manar" yet and, like you, I suspect it is local term for this small group of small islands. If so, it may not be "notable" enough to justify a WP article. I thought I would phone a few friends tomorrow as well as the Torres Shire Council to see if I can find anything more of interest. Will certainly let you know if and when I do. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 08:08, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

"Populated places" - wtf?

Do you have any idea how we got to the category title "populated places". Eg, this one. Surely if we know, say, a village is a village or a city is a city, why can't we categorise them as such? --Merbabu (talk) 11:59, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Such a bs title. I'm tempted to categorise Indonesia villages, towns, cities, regencies, etc based on their official status in Indonesia. Most should be straightforward, although I note that Kota Ternate is really town but is given city status. Before embarking on this, I'd like to understand how we got the ostensibly stupid "populated places". --Merbabu (talk) 12:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Believe me, this one's taken years to get here. It's basically the CfD crew trying to put the world in boxes. I've fought some rather unusual constructions like "port settlements" and so on in the past (and the all-encompassing "universities and colleges" category). Orderinchaos 13:54, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

you missed the "populated ports" option, yeah its the basic we round the corners on the square pegs then hit hard with a hammer and keep pounding until it fits our hole. Merbabu define them via an article ie Indonesian population centre structures then categories them according to the article sounds a bit backwards but when they try to slug yu with a hammer you should be ok because its clearly defined within the context, but pay some lipservice by having a parent category of populated places in Indonesia under which you build the structure. Gnangarra 14:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Gnang - that's exactly what I was thinking. Keep the "populated poppycock" as the parent category, and then develop the Indonesia-specific cats under it - we just need to work out exactly how that sub-structure might work. --Merbabu (talk) 06:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

PS - actually, it might be harder than I thought. "Populated poppycock" doesn't stop at Indonesia level, but extends down thur Indonesia => Java => Central Java. It would have been nice if it reached down to Indonesia only. Maybe I can build villages, kecematan, kota of Indonesia from the ground up. --Merbabu (talk) 07:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

So, while I've got the attention of 3 highly respected and considered editors, I thought I'd prattle on some more about Indonesian "populated places". Two issues:
1 - The subdivisions: I suggest we break down into their official status:

• Provinces
• Regency or City
• Kecematan (sub-districts)
• Desa or kelurahan (village)

2 - Do we sub-categorise down to province? Ie, "X City of Y province", or just leave it as "X City of Indonesia" - i see advantages in both. What do you think? And Gnang, as for your Indonesian population centre structures I can see the tongue half in your cheek there, but in fact, we do already have: Administrative divisions of Indonesia - that does the trick, right? --Merbabu (talk) 09:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

You lost me with the opening sentence :)..... if a cat has 20+ articles its clearly viable as a stand alone, between 5 and 20 you be in for a fight but easier the higher the number a cat of less than 5 articles will get squished in most cfd without solid arguements and reasonings. it ging to be messy but the best way is make the super cat fill it then break out the best parts if denpsar is the only city then site in the top level and just break out the lower orders of magnitudeGnangarra 16:15, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

SatuSuro, where would I find info on what is officially a "kota" (city) in Indonesia? Even allowing for generous Indonesian descriptions of cityhood, List of cities in Indonesia doesn't give me hope. Take Bali for starters: are do they all really have "City" status? --Merbabu (talk) 09:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

sorry to keep posting - I was bold and removed all the Bali "cities" except Denpasar which is the only one I found confirmation for. --Merbabu (talk) 10:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Shipwrecks

I was only cleaning up my own mess lol. Anyways, Happy New Year. Mjroots (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

JJ

Have no background knowledge of him, but seems OK looking to the references, or did I miss something? Happy New Year! --Elekhh (talk) 05:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Hist of OZ

Yes- I agree with you. A break into 2 at 1945 would be good. Hadnt wanted to press this as there are articles already worked on, years ago, by others. How to progress this without putting noses out of joint? Cheers Nickm57 (talk) 06:09, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll raise it on the talk page again.Nickm57 (talk) 06:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Cat:Melbourne

Thanks Satu, for mentioning it is ok to take off parent cat:melbourne, was not sure before but its removed now. With 'heritage council of western australia' & its places cat. - seems a natural link from the authority listing the places to the actual places' articles? Thanks again & have a good new year—Look2See1 t a l k → 03:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

References for translated pages

When I add something wikipedia, I usually add references. However, to my understanding when translating from one wikipedia of another language to wikipedia English, the references would also be transferred, therefore requiring no references in English. Thus, the recent push for translators to translate articles. Unless I got it completely wrong. d3j4vu 23:05, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate. d3j4vu 23:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Tenth birthday?

Be there or be square

As part of the [Tenth Birthday Celebrations], the next Perth meetup of Wikipedians is;

• Where: Freo
• When: 2pm Saturday 15 Jan 2011

http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page - please come along if you are Perth based editor!

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Meet up

I would like to come, but, being home only 6 days a fortnight, Baby has priority. Whats your thoughts on me bringing her along? She hasn't got an account, isn't, strictly seen, a Wikipedian. Calistemon (talk) 06:41, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I have to clear it up with Mum, who, needles to say, would be coming, as she fails to show Wikipedia the necessary respect! Calistemon (talk) 07:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

TransJakarta

sebelumnya sori mas, aku belum gitu paham masalah "have to/not to" di wpedia, trus mengenai terlalu banyak editan, hehehe maklum mas anak baru. cheers jg

Selaparang Airport

I don't think this article goes into enough detail. It doesn't even mention what type of cards are accepted by the ATM - for example. :-P --Merbabu (talk) 22:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Manar Group

Could you stop by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manar Group and comment your research? Jeepday (talk)

Re: Wow

Oh yes, Bugzilla is a crazy place ... some of the things that go on there can boggle the mind! Yeah the new year is going well; it's nice and relaxing for now. I trust that the year has started well for you also, and I'm looking forward to the meetup next Saturday. Graham87 05:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2011!

Happy New Year 2011 for you! Cheers --Nono64 (talk) 09:26, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Removal of matches from team articles

Note that the matches of a season do not belong into the main article, e.g. Arsenal F.C., but rather into a separate season article, e.g. 2010–11 Arsenal F.C. season. This is a long-standing and undisputable convention within Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. Sorry for my minor rant... I completely misunderstood your appreciation at the first read... Sorry, Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 12:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Yup, I see what you mean. Perhaps it might help to point the newbies to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/League season when they are trying to neglect every possible Wikipedia guideline. I however doubt that this will help with improving their English, as well... :D --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 12:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Likewise! By the way, 2011 Indonesia Premier League is, apart from the odd-looking Java map, not that bad. I even was surprised that there are three German coaches (and another one, René van Eck, with considerable coaching experience in Germany) in the league. If only the official website of the league would work for me as well. Messages à la "Cannot connect to website" are not helpful when trying to verify facts... ;-) --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 13:07, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Are you by chance a speaker of Indonesian and thus could translate this beauty of an edit? Thanks in advance, Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 10:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Yup, that's what GT said for me as well... I suspect some kind of unfriendly rant, but who can blame the poor guy - I would probably be annoyed as well if someone suddenly made my edits disappear... Thanks anyways.^_^ --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 12:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

European colonisation in Asia

It is fine if you do not use graphics as some other editors do and delete them, I was following precedent of others. The important thing is a major container category was created for an important period of world history. Could you please add any other articles to the category that you know are appropriate (ie: Sri Lanka) ? I was in doubt and so didn't, needing an expert's help. Thank you for helping me learn.—Look2See1 t a l k → 23:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you on your intervention

Yeah, the ugliness of Malaysian-Indonesian net animosity had reach wikipedia. I've tried to be as patient and neutral as possible, but when they start the edit war and insulted me, well... The Malaysian fan intervention to push their agenda despite fact presented about laser incident started by some of this Malaysian user Mnftfc and Shah 88, I suspect they sometimes use anonymous IP or that Indon sial address to do their stupid dirty job on insulting others. I'm afraid this ugly Malaysia-Indonesia net bashing have reach wikipedia, some of Indonesia-related arctile could be vandalize anytime soon. Heads up..! Anyway thank you, cheers... (Gunkarta (talk) 11:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)).

I'll keep that in mind, Terimakasih... (Gunkarta (talk) 13:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)).

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I Like

Like this Will try and get a picture for you before i leave the north west! Five Years 13:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Indo football clubs

Ok, first, there's actually other websites and sources that uses "Atjeh F.C." rather than "Aceh F.C.," you would probably want to Google it. I know it's an old spelling, but they'd probably want to stylize it that way, what about Batavia F.C.? Batavia don't exist anymore, it's now called Jakarta. Also other names of the LPI members are unique, as they can choose their own name in the LPI and doesn't have to have a "Pers-" in the beginning of their names. Nevertheless, it is their name now (I'm not really sure if they changed it from "Aceh" to "Atjeh") as you can see i also included their twitter page, and also here's the Facebook page. I know it's an unreliable source according to Wikipedia, but it is their official page, and they might probably launch their official websites soon.

And what do you mean by their AKAs and nicknames? If it is about Atjeh then it's not their nickname, it is their official name. :)

Dre.comandante (talk) 14:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Drive-ins

thanks for the feedback, see you tomorrow.Dan arndt (talk) 13:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Eye roller...

Subdistricts of North Maluku --Merbabu (talk) 10:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I read that as "Subdistricts of North Merbabu" for some reason :D Orderinchaos 15:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Email

Thanks for the pictures. Cute baby, but who is the ugly, unshaven bloke holding her? Calistemon (talk) 13:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean this

or this? –ǝuʎpuooW 13:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

claims

Hey SatuSuro, I've rolled back your comments at User:GCaisle they werent all that helpful. Gnangarra 03:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Indian ocean

you wrote, that i would have to make an edit summary. i did it..--Wangond (talk) 08:22, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

ok--Wangond (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Help.., How to deal with constant vandals?

Help, as I fear the Indonesian related articles being constantly vandalized, such as Bung Karno Stadium by User talk:115.124.95.140. How to protect this article and how to report and block this persistant user? Thank you (Gunkarta (talk) 10:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC))

Thank you soo much, greatly appreciated. (Gunkarta (talk) 12:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)).

Integrated Marine and Coastal Regionalisation of Australia

Hi Satu Suro,

Thank you for contacting me about the merger I facilitated. While I normally initiate merge discussions before merging articles, I was bold and merged the provincial bioregion articles into Integrated Marine and Coastal Regionalisation of Australia without initiating such a discussion because I did not believe the merge to be very controversial. There were 40 bioregion articles, 39 of which were exact duplicates of eachother with the sole difference of a slightly different image. The articles were all stubs that had little possibility of significant expansion; they had existed for three years without improvement and searches on Google Books, Google News, and Google Scholar for specific bioregions proved fruitless in finding additional sources. There was no information on 39 of those 40 articles except what is already found on the Integrated Marine and Coastal Regionalisation of Australia article; the additional information on the 40th article (Southwest Shelf Transition) was merged into Integrated Marine and Coastal Regionalisation of Australia. The IMCRA article is still of a good length and would continue to be if information specific to the other bioregions was added to the rest of the table I created. On a second look, it would probably be a good idea to insert the images into the table as well; I will try to do this in the near future. Have I succeeded in convincing you that the merger is a good idea?

Neelix (talk) 12:40, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Satu Suro,

I'm encouraged to hear that you place a priority on discussion in contested matters. I would be glad to discuss the bioregion articles with you in the future when other sources present themselves.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Viktor Pogadayev‎

An auto-biography? Copy n paste CV? What do you think? Is it notable? --Merbabu (talk) 12:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

People who were eaten by other people

What should the category be called? Category:Victims of cannibalism? Category:Cannibalism victims? Something else? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

re-using refs - using cites

The content of the article Dema Deityis a summarization rather than a conclusion of the combined works of the material cited. Otelemuyen 23:08, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

your point has been noted. thanks again for your support.Otelemuyen Otelemuyen 04:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Referencing for translated pages

You directed me to the page Wikipedia:V#Non-English_sources, with regards to referencing. In the section, it says,

Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians, but translations by Wikipedians are preferred over machine translations. When citing such a source without quoting it, the original and its translation should be provided if requested by other editors: this can be added to a footnote or the talk page.

I believe that article falls under "translations by Wikipedians", the source I quoted is the Indonesian wikipedia, which is provided in the talk page, as has been instructed by Wikipedia. I believe this is sufficient and complies with all of the Wikipedia translating and citing requirements, which is what prompts me to start the article in the first place. Rest assured, I don't willy nilly start article just because I can. But if you do not think this article has sufficient sources, please feel free to delete, this is what Wikipedia is all about. d3j4vu 01:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem, what you're basically saying is I need to transfer the references from wikipedia ID to wikipedia english, eventhough the reference is actually in Indonesian, correct? No sweat, I can do that easy. d3j4vu (talk) 03:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Shipwrecks

Are you able to access The Times online digital archive. Should be rich pickings there for 1785-1985. Mjroots (talk) 09:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi SatuSuro - good to connect in Canberra.

User:Serenity id is one of the people who knows what's happening with Wikimedia Indonesia, and has done good work with fundraising. I'll catch up with her when I'm back in Jakarta. --Chriswaterguy talk 07:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Just flagging for future reference - hoping we can find some connections with green people re Appropedia. Some of your friends might also like The Coalition of the Willing - the film and the movement, about a mass collaboration in response to climate change. --Chriswaterguy talk 07:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Aye, it was great to meet you, not just to have a face for the name, but also so I better know what topics I can pick your brain about. ;-) Since you're listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Tasmania, and the project seems to be a bit stagnant, perhaps you can help with Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tasmania#TAFE_Tasmania. I came across this because one of the RCC participants works for them; we may be able to ask them for help with the content. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 07:22, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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For your information...

...I requested administrator help in moving the 2009–10 and 2010–11 Liga Indonesia Premier League titles back to their old locations since the double redirects sitting at the old titles are possibly blocking any manual reversals. Have a nice day, Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 11:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Death Star?

Awesome! I surely appreciate the recognition and compliment you wrote at User talk:Boneyard90#Death Star, but umm... I don't mean to be a bother, but did you intend to post the DEATH STAR award? Boneyard90 (talk) 00:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I see! Thank you for the compliment, and I shall continue my efforts and perhaps one day I will earn the coveted Death Project Barn Star I saw on the project page! Boneyard90 (talk) 16:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Doh! I should have put that here! thanks for pointing it out - I am sure you deserve that now - but hey - having even just one person working on project pages and assessments is great - thank you SatuSuro 22:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Your concern

I have replied to your message at my talk page. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Same as the above. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Same as the above, but with a question. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Copyright question

I have noticed that this map of Sleman would greatly improve the current article. Any idea on whether it is free use? This template seems to indicate that it is. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Lake Way

Are you on tour or fire-fighting right now? Just a quick question, which I hope you can answer once you are back. Do you know of any website/source on the size of lakes in WA? I'm looking for some info for the Lake Way article. Hope you can help. Calistemon (talk) 03:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Opportunity to comment on Batavia

There is a discussion starting up at Talk:Batavia (disambiguation), that may be of interest to you. The subject is technically a page move discussion, but the purpose of the discussion is to decide where Batavia should redirect. Until earlier today, Batavia redirected to History of Jakarta, but during this discussion, it is redirecting to Batavia (disambiguation). Your comments and suggestions are welcome.

Thanks for your help. HuskyHuskie (talk) 22:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

You are receiving this because you are one of the principal editors of one of the articles that is linked to Batavia (disambiguation). This notice is being posted to all of the top three editors of each of these articles (in terms of total edits), with the following exceptions:

• editors who are blocked
• anonymous IP editors
• editors who, despite ranking in the top three of edits to an article, have only a single edit to said article

This is an attempt to be a neutrally-phrased posting in keeping with the principles of WP:CANVASS. If you find anything in the wording or the manner posted to be a violation of that guideline, please notify me at my talk page.

PLEASE...

REFRAIN FROM WRITING ON MY USER TALK PAGE. --02:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Calm down

Calm down mate. I was kidding about creating all of the desa LOL. And nobody is taking swipes at you. But you must admit you do generally seem to show a distaste for any new Indonesian articles or anything less than B class quality articles..... You have at least been instrumental in guiding the Indonesian project, so I'm a little disappointed that you couldn't give a rats about it and the people who want to help it. If you have RL issues to deal with which make wikipedia completely unimportant right now I understand but I emphasise again I was not taking swipes at you, just what you said in the past...♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:49, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Regencies are definitely mid importance. I see you've tagged them as low importance which seems strange as you consider them the same level importance as desa. Provinces and sub provinces should be mid importance.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:58, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Why would regencies be mid-importance? Their equivalent in Australia, LGAs, are marked low importance in both state and national projects, as with counties in the US. Orderinchaos 16:32, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Arabic language

It hadn't occurred to me that the edit I (and an earlier IP) deleted might be a copyvio, which makes some sense given the tone. But after researching the books mentioned (no evidence they exist), the people mentioned (they exist but the facts of them don't jibe with the claims here), the claims (like Zwierzanski being a professor Emeritus at Brown), and previous edits by the user Richardbooth (like this one about Zwierzanski as a Polish diplomat instead of an expert on Arabic languages here, or this one having Zwierzanski attending a school that didn't open till 1971 here), it seems pretty clear that it's a hoax. I'm no expert on the subject of Arabic languages or even familiar with it but the evidence is pretty strong. And I think those other sites were just copying Wikipedia. That particular section has been part of the article since May 2010 so that's plenty of time for it to make the rounds of the Wikiscrapers. The editor who first put this in has quite a few other disturbing edits that may be worthy of discussion at ANI but as best as I can tell all those problematic edits have been deleted anyway. SQGibbon (talk) 20:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes

Yeah thats fine Gnangarra 13:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Whats going on?

I come back from Iceland, fighting a vulcano and heaps of snow, to find a retired message! Whats going on? Hope you are not serious! Calistemon (talk) 08:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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Is you Indonesian?

Yoshiharu10 (talk) 15:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me!

HI, Thanks for your massage!

I'm new on Wikipedia, and hopefully my contribution can deliver a little bit benefits for the communities.

Thanks,

Indrak2007 (talk) 12:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Deceptive

Not too deceptive, I hope. I described my "semi-WikiBreak" as not doing any major expansions during this time (mainly to avoid having DYKs show up while I'm in Lampung). Right now I have another 2 days or so before I leave, so I figured I might as well do the Project some good. Glad to see you're back from retirement. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:43, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the well-wishes, BTW. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, SatuSuro. Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, Arsonal has been quite active. S/he has majorly rewritten May 1998 riots of Indonesia and Chinese Indonesian; both seem to be on their way to FA or GA status. Merbabu is still active, and my adoptee Redyka94 does pretty good work (although it needs copyediting). I've done a bit myself, including expanding Chrisye, Marga T, and Agus Salim as well as creating a few pages. It would be nice if we had an admin or two; I hope to apply in August or so, but since it requires a minimum 70% approval rate I don't know how I'd do. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people who have acted as their own criminal defense attorney

I have no legal training. perhaps i shouldn't have nominated this. LibStar (talk) 01:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

and I noticed your convincing argument here, again I'm not a vegetarian so shouldn't have been involved with this. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vegetarian Victoria. LibStar (talk) 01:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

• You two really need to disengage your current communication pattern is very disturbing and likely to lead to blocks. Gnangarra 02:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

perhaps SatuSuro should cease trying to attack me on my page saying I'm completely unqualified to nominate topics I have no knowledge in. LibStar (talk) 02:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

How would anyone know what I said or did not? you conveniently remove things you dont like (a) from Afd talk pages (b) your talk page - you are so innocent :) SatuSuro 02:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I move discussions off topic to notability to talk pages on AfD, long winded discussions are moved there. I move incivility and bad faith comments off my own talk page as per WP:TALK. let's move on. happy to consider trove in my searches. LibStar (talk) 03:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

About Talk:Ningaloo Station, but first of all...

Hi SatuSuro!
You welcomed me so many years and edits ago. And please be assured I have not forgotten my gratitude to you for the welcome.
As for the notability of WA pastoral leases, well that's somewhat vexed. I've read your response and agree with it in general terms, but I think there are a few points that would need further clarification. Apologies for not addressing them right now - I'll have a little think and reply very soon, if that's OK with you?
Belated thanks again for the Welcome - will discuss further asap ---Shirt58 (talk) 10:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Region categories

Hi, would you have any objection to renaming the sub-categories of Regions of Western Australia to look more like the articles which describe them - i.e. Category:South West region of Western Australia -> Category:South West (Western Australia) and so on? Orderinchaos 10:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Note if they are renamed btw, neither of us has to do the work to put it into effect - yay for the CfR bots. Orderinchaos 10:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

thanks

For removing the attack off my page. I know we've had disagreements in past but appreciate your assistance on this occasion. LibStar (talk) 12:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Assessment request

Hi SatuSuro, I was wondering if you could assess Metro, Indonesia and Sebuku (Sumatra), both of which I have expanded considerably. I think Metro may be either a C or B, but I am a little worried about the use of essentially one source. Sebuku may be either Start or C, but there are some sections that need expansion, if possible. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Odd? How so? Okay, thanks for the feedback. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:49, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I get it now. By my count, about a quarter of our articles have at least very basic sources (i.e. are rated Start class or higher)... it would be nice if we could improve that figure, but I think that is less likely to happen than Jakarta not flooding after a huge storm. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Police paddock

Hi. I was inspired by a write-up in Aussie Rules: For Dummies, 2nd edition by Jim Main. Just Google the term and you'll find plenty of references. - Richard Cavell (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	like the new articles you've created Gnangarra 21:37, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Flora of Australia Online links

You are welcome, but honestly I am not adding the modified articles to my watchlist because it is already too big and, in addition, I can't see why anyone would revert those changes.--Canyq (talk) 00:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedia Stories Project

My name is Victor Grigas and I'm a Storyteller at the Wikimedia Foundation. We're exploring new ways to explain why Wikipedia is so special and we’ve started a Wikipedia Stories Project, where we’re chronicling the inspiring stories of the Wikipedia community, especially editors and active contributors in the movement like you. I'll be traveling to Wikimania next month to collect stories for our 2011 Fundraiser. While there I'd love the chance to meet with you and hear your thoughts about Wikipedia. We’ll have a schedule of available times for you to sign up if you’re interested, but right now, we’d like to make the initial contact to gauge your interest. Please let me know by emailing me at vgrigas@wikimedia.org or responding on my talk page.

thank you,

VgrigasWMF (talk) 21:44, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

George Frederick Stone and George Walpole Leake

I came across the two above articles and placed them in my AfD todo list. My initial thought for thinking AfD was: Leake is a judge, so what? Stone is a Attorney General of what?
I did some research and found both were Attorneys General of Western Australia. Could you add a wikilink for them to the Attorney-General article. Also add a reference and make it a little clearer on the article. Bgwhite (talk) 06:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

That would make them Legislative Councillors in the pre-responsible government period, meaning they pass WP:POLITICIAN. Orderinchaos 07:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, Stone is referenced to his own article in the Australian Dictionary of Biography. If someone has an ADB article it's a sure bet that they pass GNG. Jenks24 (talk) 07:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

omg more talk items in 5 minutes as there have been in months.. ta everyone - SatuSuro 07:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Hehe. Sorry, but I have to laugh at the immediate response and SatuSuro's comment. Thank you for that, I need it. Sorry, I didn't mean they weren't notable, it just wasn't clear from the first read. Hmmm, they are from Western Australia... has anything notable come from that wasteland? :) Bgwhite (talk) 07:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Notes vs References

I disagree with this business of separating Notes and References based purely on whether there is an inline citation. So far as I can see, (using John Horgan (Australian politician) as an example) they are all references. In particular, my inclusion of the Australian Dictionary of Biography was explicitly intended as a reference (hint: "<ref>") not an explanatory note (which WP:FNNR suggests should be separated from citations). Is there a particular page/section of the MOS that you can point to that says inline refs should be separated from other references? (They only thing I could find that explicitly shows separate sections is WP:CITESHORT, but that does not apply here because the inline cite is not a shortened form of a separate full reference entry.) Mitch Ames (talk) 11:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I've copied responses from SatuSuro 25 July 2011 (UTC) from my talk page to your talk page (and indented it) because I find it easier to have the entire conversation on one page. If you'd prefer to move the whole conversation to my page to avoid cluttering yours up, that's fine. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

whenever i find notes and refs mixed i separate them - if you have been through academia - they want the info verifed - the same way here - to simply cluster a group of book names at the bottom of the article - what part are you attributing to what? anyways it doesnt reduce the promise of a round or few if you turn up to a meetup some time :0 SatuSuro 14:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

: article has some references, but insufficient in-text citations

: article has references, but no in-text citations

these exist for a reason :) - cheers SatuSuro 14:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is a good idea to separate notes and references (per WP:FNNR), and yes inline cites are good, but you didn't explain why you define a "note" as being something with an inline ref tag and a "reference" as something without an inline tag (even though both refer the reader to some specific external document as the source of the material, rather than being any sort of "explanation"). Is there a MOS page that defines this distinction? (Not WP:CITESHORT, which does not apply in this case.) Mitch Ames (talk) 11:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy if we could "meetup" on the same talk page ...

You said

Notes are things tied into the cite/footnote pattern, while references are those things that have not been used for a cite

but WP:FNNR says

[Notes and References] sections present (1) citations that verify the information in the article, and (2) explanatory notes that would be awkward in the body text.

Ie the difference between a citation/reference and an explanatory note is that the former verifies the information, the latter does not. Whether the citation/reference is inline is irrelevant for the purpose of distinguishing it from an explanatory note. WP:FNNR#Footnotes shows some examples of explanatory notes (which are not references/citations). I don't want to get into an argument about it, but I do suggest that - in the absence of anything else in MOS - your perspective is your personal opinion rather than "common sense" or (more importantly) consensus. While it is a perfectly valid personal opinion, I suggest that MOS:STABILITY may apply here. (I concede that creating a stub does not necessarily make one the "first major contributor".) Mitch Ames (talk) 12:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

trams

No worries about the deletions. As far as the trams are concerned, and at the risk of once again being controversial, I just reckon that, eg, an article about the dockers doesn't need to have any books about the eagles in the "further reading" section ... Bahnfrend (talk) 11:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm planning to fill a few holes in the trams articles before the meetup, using various references, including the Culpeffer-Cooke book. Trouble is, it's not easy to find usable images - but let's not get into that again. Bahnfrend (talk) 11:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

A while

It has been a while. Hope all is well with you. As you will have noticed, I'm still editing off and on, but more on recently while my partner was away staying with her mother. Still lots of articles to write but not enough time in real life!! Keep in touch. Spy007au (talk) 11:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Prisoners who died in Western Australian detetion

Category:Prisoners who died in Western Australian detetion, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. SatuSuro 01:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Template

Alter the template as been a concern of mine for a while, but the usage of it in over 500 articles would make such a step a nightmare, unless a simple way can be found. Calistemon (talk) 01:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Nobody is safe, but as long as China wants iron ore I should be ok. Calistemon (talk) 01:20, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

You are having a slack morning? I walked the wuff at 7:30 and there was actually some sunshine. Calistemon (talk) 01:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Oz airports template

G'day; I don't have any axe to grind, I was just acting in accordance with the note at the bottom of the template - you will see from looking at the history that I recently removed a heap of little aerodromes from the Victorian list, some of which have had scheduled services in the past, and a while ago I removed some NSW airports for the same reason. I grew up in western NSW at a time when every town was served by an Ansett Fokker Friendship. Those days are long gone; the aircraft started getting smaller - at one stage our towns were served by de Havilland Herons before they went to Tassie - and started going to fewer airports, to the extent now that the only town in the western half of NSW that has air services other than Broken Hill is Cobar. Anyhoo, if you want to alter the coverage of the template, initiate a discussion about it. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 21:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

My gut feeling is that what you are proposing would be unwieldy, difficult to achieve and difficult to maintain. Basically every airport, aerodrome and ALA in the country (and even some airstrips) is capable of receiving charter flights, so that is not a criterion for selection. YSSYguy (talk) 23:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Parent/Child cat combos

Naturally, we shouldn't have them. For example, if we have Category:Regencies of Indonesia and Category:Regencies of Central Java, we should only use the second category. Let the first be empty except for other categories, maybe with a name-change to Category:Regencies of Indonesia by province Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:17, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Do Runrounds exist on Wiki?

Well if you spell 'em with a hyphen, they do, thus Run-round loop. There is even a diagram. RR redirects to Headshunt.

Stations which use to have run-rounds include:

• St Ives (UK).
• Toronto railway station, New South Wales - now closed.
• Cronulla railway station - had run round, but never had locomotives, now no run round at all.
• Newcastle railway station, New South Wales - run-round on Platform 1&2, not on Platform 3&4.
• Albury railway station - runround when broad gauge; now standard gauge.

Stations which still have run-rounds include:

• Canberra and
• Murwullimbah - now closed

Tabletop (talk) 10:31, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Adelaide Convention Centre

Hi - can you review your recent edits to this page? I'm not sure why the SOM expansion bit is indented, and the source appears missing, the word "cofnormed", and minor punctuation/spacing issues. Thanks. Timeshift (talk) 20:51, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Speakers

The post-1890 title was "President of the WALC" - but things were done differently before 1890. When I'm feeling better (have a cold/flu atm :() I'll look into it, either the 1832-1890 sub-volume by Black or the pre-1890 Hansards should contain this information relatively prominently. Orderinchaos 07:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

C Y O'Connor

This is about my edits of the C Y O'Connor article. Why are they not constructive? The relocation of the naming of Lake O'Connor simply puts it alongside the naming of O'Connor beach and other examples of 'Legacy'. The comment about the crowds at his funeral is historically accurate and relevant (and referenced), and contributes to an assessment of work in the light of a rather superficial treatment which focuses on the press and secondarily on MPs, when it is the case that Forrest's departure to Canberra left O'Connor without a political patron and, worse, meant that he became a surrogate for Forrest in the Parliament and the newspapers. That is constructive. Finally, since his daughter Eva was included in the account (for her connection with a significant figure in George Julius) I added the other children, some of whom are either equally significant or are connected to equally significant figures. I think that that is also constructive. Jedawkins (talk) 12:19, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

C Y O'Connor

It wasn't exactly obvious how to do this but I'm happy to do as you say. If the edits had nothing to do with the above matters, what were they about? Jedawkins (talk) 12:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

It's mystery to me also. i made the edits along the lines mentioned above, and they read as normal when I checked the entry after the edit.

I've been following Wikipedia for years, virtually from the beginning, and I've read a lot about it and I've read the guidelines etc etc. In this case I re-read material on sources, etc. In the matter I added to the C Y O'Connor article I cited a well regarded biography published by a university press. I don't expect (or want) contributions to be unchallenged, but your messages have been surprisingly disparaging.

Re: Hrrmph

Yeah JAWS says it as "h r r m p h", but I know what you mean! In fact we can have a lot of fun with sounds in JAWS ... a semi-accurate representation of what you were thinking would probably be something like "hurhrhrhrhrhrhrhr-rumfhfhfhfhfhfhfhf", since h's placed like that tend to lengthen sounds. :-) The info currently there is way better than nothing, but there is no deadline! Graham87 03:46, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Get better

Have a nice cup of tea ...

Sorry to hear you're unwell old man. Look after yourself and get better soon! Moondyne (talk) 14:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

History categories...

AS discussed earlier, I've been considering inserting a cat under "History of Indonesia" cat - "Indonesian History by era" or similar. This would scope up all the era cats currently swimming around in the broader History of Indonesia cat which contains many cats that are not eras. The sub cats to go under the this new cat would be those topics viewed in the History of Indonesia template. what say you? Oh, and get well soon. --Merbabu (talk) 14:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

SatuSuro edit history is slowing and shrinking for the forseeable future - please note - uncertainty rules - OK? SatuSuro 10:50, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Lists of shipwrecks

FYI, I've given notification of a proposed series of changes to various lists of shipwrecks by year at WT:SHIPWRECKS. Mjroots (talk) 13:54, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Courtesy about en:Districts of Indonesia

Hello SatuSuro, I suppose you are right with regard to a courtesy. But where to write it? I have already explained in the above article that "subdistrict" is inappropriate, since Indonesia calls them "distrik" in Papua. Besides, if "subdistrict" was correct, "sub-" of what "district" would it be? Kabupaten is officially translated by "regency", so "subregency" would be more appropriate than "subdistrict"... :-) 90.46.190.185 (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

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User:Cdc

As I could see from Cdc user talk page, it seems like you know the user well. Can you please comment on Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard#Re-admin_request as a person claiming to be Cdc is asking for their adminship status back. Thanks Secret ^account 02:28, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of List of surfing terminology for deletion

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RE: Good to see

Hi SatuSuro, other things seem to keep me busy most of the time, but I still like to pop back here now and then. Hope all is well with you! Zamphuor (talk) 00:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback Dashboard task force

Hi SatuSuro,

I noticed you replied to some feedback from the new Feedback Dashboard feature – you might be interested in the task force Steven Walling and I just created for this purpose: Wikipedia:Feedback Dashboard. Thanks for diving in on your own and helping the newbies, and I hope you'll sign up! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Ocean Beach

Oops, sorry, how did that happen? --Canley (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Suggested WP:COI with Deidre Willmott, and WP:DNB

Based on your comments on my talk page, it seems you know Deidre Willmott quite well - i.e. involvement in Liberal politics for "at least 3 years", that she was a "student politician" - I just wonder whether it is my "very limited knowledge of local public issues" (your words), or just your specialist knowledge of her. I've responded to your several comments on my page and on AfD. Can I also ask, WP:DNB. Twigfan (talk) 09:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

User:Twigfan

For a new user with six days of Wikipedia experience, User:Twigfan is rather knowledgable on Wikipedia policies. Given the pretty indictive username and the the fact that this user has tried to get rid of the Deidre Willmott article in four different ways, first by requesting speedy deletion, then by blanking and redirecting it, next by proding, and, finally, through and AFD, I think there is more then meets the eye here. Calistemon (talk) 10:49, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Pottering around

Didn't realise that you were stalking me :-D whilst I was working on the Kerosene Store article. As Sam suggests the article needs some better photos but will leave that until another day. Any way hope you have a happy xmas & will catch up in the new year over a beer or two. Dan arndt (talk) 09:39, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Catholic bishops and archbishops of Perth, Western Australia

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Happy Christmas and a Merry New Year

I hope 2012 brings you happiness and editorial inspiration. I am a bit busy with moving house and job at the start of 2012, but will still be around. All the best. Davidelit (Talk) 17:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:Shipwrecks

Thought it was about time I joined . Will be posting soon at talk about bashing the WWII lists into better shape. Mjroots (talk) 11:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Pat on the Back

Thanks for doing those spelling/grammar corrections at Sun Picture Garden - I only had time to move the article from User:Klltr's sandbox where it had been languishing.... and whilst I saw the mistakes I thought that I would have time to go back and correct them. thanks again & wishing you a happy new year. Dan arndt (talk) 03:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Citation tool?

Hi, do you use a tool for adding citations? The reason that I ask is that several of your recent edits, such as this one, are using the |access-date= parameter, which puts the page into hidden Category:Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters. The correct parameter to use is |accessdate=. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:30, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I think it came from Trove - see [1] and click on the "cite this" button. I've sent an email to Trove to ask them to correct the formatting. Moondyne (talk) 02:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Buildings and structures

Hello! Categories of countries were overpopulated, so I started to move the categories up in the tree. Some time ago, when I found "Buildings and structures in X" everywhere, I don't remember well if I thought that it would be a good idea to put them in "X architecture", or if I found a few categories listed there. Either case, I moved a lot of them to "X architecture".

But "X architecture" belongs to "Arts in X" or something like that. Today I thought: "hey, if I want to find buildings, I'd start to find for places in a country not for art!". So I realised "Buildings and structures in X" had to belong to "Geography of X" too.

I hope you understood the reasoning. If you disagree, please tell me and let's discuss until we get to a solution. Good luck! --NaBUru38 (talk) 01:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Tasmanian Wilderness issues and politics

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WA Border and Greetings from Kununurra

Hello SatuSuro met you last April in Perth and via a few emails - Noticed you have done some work on most of the pages I've been editing, having finally found some time to get back to Wiki. Hope you approve of some of the changes made to the Western Australia border and others. I am still fairly newbie'ish to all this but see plenty that needs input! Best Wishes KHS-Boab (talk) 10:45, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Boab Prison Trees

Hello again and thanks for the additions made to Deakin, Western Australia etc. Can you take a look at Talk:Boab Prison Tree and suggest what can be done, when you get a chance? KHS-Boab (talk) 17:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Satu, have created the new Boab Prison Tree, Wyndham page, which should be comprehensive enough to meet with your approval and your name won't be mud! KHS-Boab (talk) 07:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

"Portuguese swivel gun"

Yes you were correct. It appeared tonight on Theory of Portuguese discovery of Australia under the heading "The Darwin Cannons"!! Cheers Nickm57 (talk) 10:14, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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Chinese Indonesian articles

Wow, sometimes I've overlooked categories (you know.., some bars in the bottom of the articles) >_<'. Spot on..! You're right, go ahead. Gunkarta (talk) 08:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Western suburbs cat

I undid the "western suburbs" cat as it seemed to be injecting a level of OR into the category structure (how does one categorise Woodlands, Churchlands, Wembley Downs, City Beach and North Fremantle?), and also for <20 suburbs it seemed unnecessary considering the size of the suburbs category (approx 340) - I note no other Australian city has subdivisions of its suburb categories (apart from Melbourne's inexplicable distinguishing of Frankston suburbs). Orderinchaos 16:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Eendrachtsland

Hello again SatuSuro, I noticed you and Moondyne had edited Eendrachtsland many moons ago before someone put a non-sensical re-direct to Dirk Hartog Island, which I have just undone, expanded and added hopefully more meaning to. Hope you will agree that this is justified. KHS-Boab 23:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Maylands Airport

Forget to say was impressed with the article. As for your comment - unfortunately there are two many WA articles which remain unwritten <sigh> and never enough time to write them. Dan arndt (talk) 08:42, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• That's a hell of a list.... got to question why Luisini Winery is in Kalamunda, Kwinana, Melville, Mosman Park, Mundaring (twice), Nedlands & Peppermint Grove, then there's 151-156 Beaufort Street in Rockingham, Serpentine-Jarrahdale, South Perth, Stirling and, Victoria Park. Will have to link to the page, so I know what still needs to be done. Dan arndt (talk) 09:23, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Land systems of Western Australia

Is this complete? In progress? Could be merged into IBRA? Moondyne (talk) 01:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

No sweat. Moondyne (talk) 13:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

New Huzzas article

		The Geography Barnstar
		Thanks for improving Wikipedia by adding the new Huzzas article! Northamerica1000(talk) 09:01, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

• Check out this article: Surfing in Ecuador. Northamerica1000^(talk) 11:06, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Tas training session

There aren't many (vocal) Tassie editors, but who knows! The sessions themselves have plenty of people, in fact one is fully booked at 18 people - the talk page was mainly for editors who wanted to help. I'm not sure if you know JJ Harrison but he is a fairly prolific Tassie Wikimedia Commons contributor! -- Chuq (talk) 01:49, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Thought you'd want to know

I thought you'd want to know that I edited your user page to link to an identical edit counter as the soxred93 one has expired (Tparis has taken over the tools). Hope you don't mind. :-) --Gilderien Talk|Contribs 19:01, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Rabbits

Yeah, I realised that was a bit suspect after thinking about the rabbit plagues around Eucla, that caused all sorts of mayhem there. It's always been clear to me that the Great Victorian Desert article wasn't written by an Aussie. Graham87 06:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:Espionage and WP:Intelligence

SatuSuro,

What is your proposal in merging the two WikiProjects? Adamdaley (talk) 03:20, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

HBX

He may not like it, but I feel I am in the right here based on the evidence. By the way, something is stopping me moving Hamengkubuwana III. Any ideas? I'm a bit rusty... Davidelit (Talk) 10:59, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Strewth. Given that the poor man only ruled for two years, he's tricky to shift, and has attarcted a lot of attention. Is that why I can't move him? Davidelit (Talk) 12:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Wilderness Areas of Tasmania

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Category:Lake Pedder

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Category:Franklin Dam

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Creating new sections on Talk:The Esplanade (Perth)

Creating the new sections Talk:The Esplanade (Perth)#neutrality tag and Talk:The Esplanade (Perth)#merge tag, and to a lesser extent Talk:The Esplanade (Perth)#perth waterfront development merge tag, is not helping matters. Please add comments to the existing sections, so as not to unnecessarily split the discussion. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like soapboxing

I'm opposed to the Perth_Waterfront_Development#Barnett_Government_plans_2011|redevelopment as well, but I really do think that some of your edits [2], last paragraph of [3] are WP:SOAPBOXing. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

The Go!! Show

Thanks mate. Moondyne (talk) 02:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Help

Please help me how to create the Kelurahan, Desa and Kecamatan article on wikipedia. I take the source from http://id.wikipedia.org/. Thanks. Mbak Dede (talk) 01:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Infrastructure...

I appreciated your comments earlier at DEI. I'm not sure how directly this relates to the current discussion, but it would certainly help the DEI article in some places. very interesting indeed. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 11:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

This can probably be used in the article at some point, but I'm not going to jump to the tune of the editor. The current discussion is proving fruitless - I have better things to do. Being a smart ass and answering questions with more questions never helped collaboration. To precisely describe his tone would probably raise eyebrows re WP:CIVIL. --Merbabu (talk) 08:21, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Health in Southeast Asia

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Please help...

Remember this? Well, I think I fixed that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Lol, considering how we first met that's more than good enough. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

• Something about Sleman Regency and no references... I think I've shown you and Merbabu made your point. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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REFPUNCT, ALLCAPS

Re these edits (and others like them) - could you please familiarise yourself with WP:REFPUNCT/WP:REFSPACE, and MOS:ALLCAPS. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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Indonesian provinces

All the Indonesian provinces were in sub categories of their own - at Provinces of Indonesia - for them to have parent and child categories on the same page is a redundancy - and can be a problem as well - cheers SatuSuro 10:23, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Aha, alright, makes a bit more sense then. Thanks for clearing that up for me, I was a tad confused when I saw that in recent changes hehe. Terkaal -- <Warning! Self-Confessed Newbie!> (talk) 10:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Anytime - you might find some editors at some projects or subjects a tad precious about having both parent and child categories together - as if they were needed for some reason - SatuSuro 10:30, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

PROD

Really? Do you think it's reasonable to say that me suggesting deletion of an article about a website is somehow equivalent to throwing your family in the garbage? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:25, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay You and I will have to agree to disagree. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

What? Just because I want to delete non-notable web sites does not mean that I'm interested in deleting the category structure... I don't understand your point in the slightest. Having articles of the sort "X-language Wikipedia has Y articles and was founded on [DATE]." is exactly what Meta is for. Why would we reproduce that information over and over again? What is the advantage to having hundreds of articles on hundreds of editions of Wikipedia that just reproduce Special:Statistics repeatedly? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:39, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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What do you think?

What to do? Is it worth trying to fix up? or just revert? --Merbabu (talk) 12:11, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi SatuSuro

Thanks for your message. Yep, I'm still around. Mostly busy on other things these days, but every now and then I feel the need to do a little wiki editing. Hope all is well with you! Zamphuor (talk) 10:51, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks SatuSuro

Thank you for the message. Wish to give some help as the situation allows me. I am a monk from Sri Lanka, so interested much on Buddhist Articles. Wishing you good time! Bdamita (talk) 15:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Super Pit

I'm currnetly not in Oz but in Europe instead (Germany, England, Holland). Access to the internet is pretty intermitand! I have to say, I've been a bit lazy of late as the mining articles go. The days at home have been busy and will continue to be that way, I drop you a mail soon. Keep well for now, got to get the little one to sleep, Calistemon (talk) 18:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination for E.A. Delisser

Hi SatuSuro,

I've rejected the DYK nomination for E.A. Delisser as it was over 2 months old and hadn't been nominated. In the future, make sure to transclude the nomination page to T:TDYK. The nobots template on your user page prevented our bots from reminding you to transclude the nomination. Shubinator (talk) 16:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Crisco 1492

Would you support Crisco 1492 for adminship? I am not asking you to do so in actuality, just trying to figure something out. Thanks. Hipocrite (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Cuisine articles

That's okay, actually it was also partly my responsible. All this time my attention was focussed on the articles Indonesian cuisine, Sundanese cuisine and Padang food and almost completely forgot about the Javanese cuisine. Yes it is quite out of order and just a jumble of data and lists. We shall do something to tidying up Javanese cuisine. Cheers Gunkarta (talk) 13:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Question

Did you see Mandi (bath)? I'd rather deal with more footballer articles. The grammatical errors these sources are making is... well, argh! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Stock Movement

Hope this is of some use."STOCK AND STATION NEWS". Geraldton Guardian and Express (WA : 1929 - 1947). WA: National Library of Australia. 30 May 1930. p. 1. Retrieved 29 May 2012. Hughesdarren (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

And another."Stock and Station News". Geraldton Guardian (WA : 1906 - 1928). WA: National Library of Australia. 19 May 1928. p. 1. Retrieved 30 May 2012. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

sorry

I dont really understand, what do you mean in my talk page...sorry :-) *Annas* (talk) 10:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome

You're very welcome, sama-sama Mas Suro =). Thanks to you to, since you're the one that pointed up how bad Javanese cuisine article was. It was really shame, since Javanese has rich culinary tradition in every regency (Kabupaten). Craving for Indonesian food? yeah.., I guess cooking (and eating) is the tradition that cherished by every Indonesians, even Indos (Indonesian-European) in the Netherlands still craving Indonesian food. Several months ago when I visited Cambodia just for less than two weeks, I'm already craving for sambals and Indonesian food. Cambodian food is too plain for my palate that already get used to Indonesian spicy foodstuff. Cheers! Gunkarta (talk) 11:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Thousand Island or Thousand Islands

For the title of Kepulauan Seribu Regency, which one? The content mentions Islands as the name, but the title used Island instead.--06:31, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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As "Kepulauan" by definition means "islands" (while "pulau" is the singular "island"), the title should be altered to read "Islands". Rif Winfield (talk) 10:49, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Your dedication

To improve the information about Indonesian administrative divisions is nothing short of what being a really good wikipedia editor is all about - you find a problem and go ahead and fix it! We honestly haven't had your style of editor on the project for over four years - you don't know how important (and what a relief it is) to have someone prepared to fill the gaps so thoroughly and consistently - thanks !!! SatuSuro 14:12, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem; and nothing special (my source for all data is the Biro Pusat Statistik), so please don't thank me. It needed doing. There are still gaps where I lack most recent changes, and if you can fill them with reliable up-to-date information, it will be a project well done. Rif Winfield (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for !voting

	at my successful RFA
	Thank you, JarrahTree, for !voting at my successful RFA; I am humbled that you put your trust in me. I grant you this flower, which, if tended to properly, will grow to be the fruit of Wikipedia's labours. Hopefully I can help protect the Indonesia articles from copyvios. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Nice map

A great find. Some reasonable detail on the canal, as well as the lakes... Moondyne (talk) 12:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

And in colour too. V/pretty. Its a big improvement on File:Perth Water c.1909.png. Moondyne (talk) 12:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Afghanbazar

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Lawson Apartments

Nice work, will try and flesh the article out. Dan arndt (talk) 07:29, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Power, Profit and Protest... thanks... Johnfos (talk) 01:23, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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Wheatbelt

I'll see what I can find.

The problem with the Wheatbelt Region is that its boundaries are arbitrary without an acknowledgement of actual land use – the term “wheatbelt” is one of land use. Very large wheatbelt shires such as Jerramungup, Ravensthorpe and Esperence were allocated to other regions such as Goldfields (but no gold in Ravensthorpe or Esperence) and Great Southern (when I lived in Jerramungup it certainly wasn’t considered part of the Great Southern).John beta (talk) 08:11, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Cape Sorell

Yes, Trove is useful for all sorts of Australia-related subjects! I can imagine the weather getting very dicy over there. Further south I remember being amazed to read that Maatsuyker Island once had a wind run of 2056 km, which means that the winds averaged 86 km/h for a whole day! Graham87 10:26, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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Australian categories

Hi, I've been really busy today with my other "job". I would be happy to have a dialog about the categorization I've done, but my responses may be delayed as I pop in and out on my computer.Jllm06 (talk) 18:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Perth Bowling Club

There's a few pics here:

http://innopac.slwa.wa.gov.au/record=b1986499

Moondyne (talk) 14:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Intersection/exit list tables for Western Australian roads

Hi SatuSuro,
There is a discussion at WT:WA regarding the intersection/exit list tables for Western Australian roads. As someone who edits WA road articles, your feedback would be much appreciated. Please invite other editors if you think they might want to be part of the discussion.
Thanks, Evad37 (talk) 06:45, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Banggai, Indonesia

I wonder if you can help me sought out the current confused articles concerning these geographical/administrative entities in Indonesia's Central Sulawesi Province (Sulawesi Tengah). There are currently three pages headed Banggai, Banggai Island and Banggai Islands Regency. There is also an unfortunate and misleading auto-redirect from Banggai Regency to the Banggai page. The author of these articles is plainly confused between Banggai as a town, the Banggai Regency (which does not include either the town of that name, nor indeed any of the Banggai Islands) and the separate Banggai Islands Regency (which does include the town and the island of that name). As you know, the Banggai Regency is situated almost entirely on mainland Sulawesi, and its administrative centre is Luwuk; the Banggai Islands Regency comprises the group of islands of that name (including Banggai Island itself), and its administrative centre is Banggai (town). Do you think you could remove the auto-redirect from the heading "Banggai Regency" to "Banggai", and rename the existing "Banggai" article as "Banggai (town)"? We can then insert a new article for "Banggai Regency". Regards. Rif Winfield (talk) 16:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

unconstructive

Hi satusuro, i see your comment on my talk page and the other editor talk page days before. Please assume good faith before write that someone maybe blocked. I think its unconstructive (and even hostile) to write that "you may be blocked" to editor with one or two error recently because they have less experience and knowledge on Wikipedia than you. If you have more knowledge than other editor please help them, tell them whats wrong and how to fix it. Dont bite newcomers or less experience editor. No offense and I assumed good faith on you. Thanks :-) *Annas* (talk) 03:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Colin Barnett

Hi. Could you maybe explain your reversions in greater detail? I'd hate to misinterpret what you wrote, but I can't see how the image or caption were presenting him in a "false or disparaging light" or criticising him in any way (and nor were they intended to) – I was really just interested in have more than one photograph for the article. I♦A 07:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Cripes

Yeah, I've just written a message about it at WikiProject WA's talk page. While working on the article about the late Paralympic swimmer Lorraine Dodd (I'll submit the results of my work later tonight), I found one of her obits that said she'd done work for the "Public Transport Commission" on access for people with disabilities, and went "huh?", so I naturally tried to use Wikipedia to figure it all out ... big mistake! I can't wait to go to Wikimania ... only eight days until I leave Perth now! Graham87 13:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, it'll be awesome! I'll definitely stay in touch while I'm away. Graham87 13:46, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

No worries

--Grahame (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Andrea Hirata

Could you watchlist the article? JulianArbi is POV warring right now and I'm at 3 reverts. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:51, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. Eh, check this out. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Magazines

The proposed deletions are not to do with anything specific to australia - but to general notability guidelines that apply to all articles. These are set out at Wikipedia:Notability. More specifically see Wikipedia:Notability_(media)#Newspapers.2C_magazines_and_journals, as well as Wikipedia:Notability (periodicals).Oranjblud (talk) 00:13, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Question

Hello there, you stated on Oranjblud's talk page that you disagreed with me over something but didn't send me a message on the matter care to explain what you disagree with. Regards ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 04:29, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, glad to clear that up. Happy editing. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 08:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

It's been very common over the last 2 months. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 08:59, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

WA Breweries

The article on the Swan Brewery is a bit of a mess. Have tried to adapt it to reflect the company and its history rather than an article on the Old Swan Brewery site. Still needs a lot of work. Ended up getting sidetracked on creating an article for the Kalgoorlie Brewing Company. Maybe the Swan Brewery article should be seperated into two articles, with one dedicated to the Old Swan Brewery site... who knows. Dan arndt (talk) 09:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Wheatbelt railway lines of Western Australia

This article looks like a good start to me. When I have the time, I'll find a few suitable photos for it. My main comment at this stage is that grain is grown in more than just the region officially defined by the State government as the Wheatbelt, eg in parts of the Mid West such as the Shire of Carnamah, and in parts of the Great Southern such as the Shire of Cranbrook, and each of the Shires I have mentioned has a large wheat bin served by the grain rail network. Bahnfrend (talk) 14:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I was going to suggest that old CBH (and WAGR) annual reports are a potential source of info. If I recall correctly, the WAGR reports include the dates of opening and closure of lines, etc. Also, the CBH Group article cites a couple of general histories of CBH, but I've not seen them myself. More general local histories may be useful, eg Ron Kowald's books about Katanning and Men of Steam, and there's probably some relevant material in Gunzburg's WAGR locomotives book. Bahnfrend (talk) 00:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Shirley Finn

Do you think she is really notable, or is it her murder that is notable? Should it be moved to Murder of Shirley Finn? The-Pope (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ward Keeler

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T.B.Moore

Hi SatuSuro, I noticed you created (and have been maintaining) the article Thomas Bather Moore, which has his year of birth as 1851. These two botanist sites (IPNI and HUH) have it as 1850. Could you confirm if either of these two years is the accurate one? Since the same person maintains both IPNI's and HUH's databases, the two don't independently corroborate eachother (effectively making it one fact/error). Hope you can help. Thanks, Hamamelis (talk) 03:15, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response and research! Hamamelis (talk) 14:34, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

He sounds like quite a remarkable person. Glad to inadvertently revive some pleasant memories! Hamamelis (talk) 14:57, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Concerning my edits in Indonesian killings of 1965–1966. O.Koslowski (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes indeed I made some Politically correct changes, Because the original template was politically and historically incorrect filled with propaganda which I corrected You said my opinion isn't quite neutral than what does one consider mailing harmful politically incorrect propaganda ? This original posting is harmful to the name of My nation and my people and there for needed to be corrected This same incorrectness which is harmful to. Indonesia's reputation , The original post is conformed to what western Media finds acceptable but is far fro reality and I fid it outrageous that that form of censorship And propaganda is spread through Sites such as wikipedia , I indeed do allot of editing to protect the name of My Nation from such vulgarity I spread the actual truth not the UN fabricated propaganda version which is harmful and spreads hatred towards MY PEOPLE you say my edit is not neutral it is , for it is the correct version the others are non-Neutral for they spread harmful western propaganda

(MaungSiliwangi (talk) 22:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC))

Me being a patriot has nothing to do with it Yes the usage of MY was meant as an accentuation I perhaps over did it Which is because I am not a english Native speaker and find it more difficult to properly articulate in English And yes Wikipedia is a online Encyclopedia which should hold correct information that is why i corrected it I did not claim any superiority on this source I just made sone incorrect information acceptable is that not what a Encyclopedia should be correct and acceptable ? I mean no offense I just can nit stand and read certain slander that is why I did so in these edits of mine, I mean no disrespect nor to be offensive in any way {Sorry for my bad English}

Oh begitu tidak apa2 mas,

Sekarang aku baru jelas apa masalahnya Tulis dgn Capital tidak boleh oke soal itu aku belum tahu ,

(IR.ARI.WAHYU.MARTADINATA (talk) 23:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC))

Slamet Rijadi

Your *friend* is inserting poorly worded POV in Slamet Rijadi, a GA, and I'm as far with the reverts as I'd like to go. Could you deal with this? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Queen Victoria street - bridges

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List of streets in Fremantle instead of stubs?

A idea/proposal I've made at WT:WA - Evad37 (talk) 04:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: The damned horse and winch story

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DYK for Queen Victoria Street, Fremantle

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Nice work! Nick-D (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for creating the new Burlong Pool, Western Australia article, and for expanding Wikipedia's coverage of geography-related topics. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Stephen Tong article copyedited

I've copyedited Stephen Tong. Hopefully it is NPOV now. AngusWOOF (talk) 18:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Blessing of the Fleet Exhibition

Something you may be interested in, if you have the time. http://www.fremantle.wa.gov.au/home/Homepage_-_Whats_on/2012_Whats_on/November_2012/Blessing_of_the_Fleet_Exhibition - Evad37 (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Sudirman/Suharto photo

Just posting this here as you brought it up last week. The most recent issue of TEMPO English has a really nice feature on Sudirman, including a bit about the photograph's background. Want me to scan (photograph, actually) that bit and send it to you? Don't think it's worth including in the article (which I've updated already). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• Sent it to you by email. Hope to see you in Jakarta. Don't see you on the list though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: WikiProject Intelligence

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