User talk:Deepfriedokra/archive 2019-02

Thanks

Wanted to thank you for your welcome message and offer of help. How do I make a request for comment? I tried to on the Free Palestine Movement’ page but the request got taken down. Jgraham1956 (talk) 17:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

looks like it's back up and improved.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Rifat Hadžiselimović

colors  Dlohcierekim (talk)

Could you help me understand why 13 edits in June and July 2019 alone ([1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]), by seven socks (four accounts and three IPs), including as recently as today (!!!) is "not enough recent disruptive activity," why it is not at the threshold of semi-protection ("high levels of vandalism or edit warring from unregistered and new user" (WP:PPLIST)), and why requiring editor resouces to review pending changes on an article whose only contributors have been the banned user or socks is expected to be a productive "solution"? @Ymblanter: protected the page 15 June 2019 and found semi-protection appropriate. Эlcobbola _talk 16:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@Elcobbola: Thanks for your note. That's probably why I PC'd. I'll look again.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@Elcobbola: The PC should've been enough, but the likelihood of collateral damage looks very low, so SP for 3 months and PC indefinitely. If it starts up again in 3 months, we can extend.   Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for checking again. Socks have been non-stop, with no decline in frequency, since the June 2017 ban--I've no doubt it'll be back to RPP. Эlcobbola _talk 17:06, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

User5?

≠ U-2  Dlohcierekim (talk)

Please clarify. Thanks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:42, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

template:user5 gives more shortcuts; less clicking  Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) ------->shortcut to the Lubyanka, kamerade! :o ——SerialNumber54129 19:13, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

FYI

  Dlohcierekim (talk)

You declined the unblock request by 86.150.188.184. Please note that they have threatened to "[hack] and [fuck]" those that would edit their talk page after they were blocked. Please consider removing TPA or maybe even lenghtening their block. (Of course, their little brother did it). --MrClog (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Very well said

Hello D. This is both true and hilarious. A variation I remember (and lived through) in my college days is that the first shot of tequila you think yuck - shots 2 through 5 you think maybe this isn't so bad - anything after shot six you don't say much cause you are praying to the porcelain god :-P Thanks for the smile and enjoy the rest of your week.

Harassment against user:OliviaZoe0 ‎

vandals at our gate  Dlohcierekim (talk)

​‎Hi Dlohcierekim, please, have a look at the revision history of the talk page of this user. I see a persistent harassment against them, is there a way to stop this? --DoebLoggs (talk) 10:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@DoebLoggs: Not seeing it. There was a vandal I blocked. Mostly I see discussions blanked once dealt with.@OliviaZoe0: What say ye?  Dlohcierekim (talk) 12:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dlohcierekim, isn't this Special:Diff/907495507 and this Special:Diff/907443842 and this Special:Diff/907416072 a persistent harassment? And there are others, all in a short while. OliviaZoe0 just removed those messages, I wouldn't call that "deal with". May be a page protection may help? Thanks in advance. --DoebLoggs (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Looks like the sort of nonsense we sometimes get as vandal fighters. A range block would incur collateral damage. It would be up to OliviaZoe0 as to whether or not we SP. And once again, collateral damage would need to be considered.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 12:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

All three accounts either have no previous activity, or have had their last activity long before I joined (friendly reminder I joined on the 15th this month, or 8 days ago). I find it extremely suspicious that three IPs with no recent activity, and no obvious connection to my cleaning up of vandalism, just randomly decides to make edits like that - they're probably connected in some other way. Two of those edits also use a writing style that's extremely similar (socks?). I'm aware protecting has consequences, but I don't know what those are, so I'm not able to make a decision - at least not yet. I haven't done anything beyond rolling back because I had and still have no idea where those kinds of things are best reported. I didn't warn all of them because they appear to be disposeable accounts (no further activity on any of them).

Speaking of coincidences, all there are from the same country (and also the same area, according to the geolocation feature), which could make it related to this edit, which I initially thought was a misguided good faith attempt at asking why the edit was reverted. Seeing later edits from that user, that probably wasn't the case. -- OliviaZoe0 ❤️ (She/her) (talk) 14:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

per Wikipedia:Protection_policy#User_talk_pages

User talk pages are rarely protected, and are semi-protected for short durations only in the most severe cases of vandalism from IP users. Users whose talk pages are semi-protected should have an unprotected user talk subpage linked conspicuously from their main talk page to allow good faith comments from non-autoconfirmed users. A user's request to have his or her own talk page protected is not a sufficient rationale by itself to protect the page, although requests may be considered if a reason is provided.

I think the benefit outweighs the risk.   Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2019 (UTC)  Done

Ugh! Revolting! Disgusting!

Post-post-hoc post-haste general post  Dlohcierekim (talk)

Your kind comments have been duly entered in the Great Register. EEng 12:26, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

@EEng: At least we got through that w/o any COOLDOWNBOCKs. Seriously, your humor is under appreciated, and I think humor, or the lack thereof, often lies n the eyes of the beholder.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

BTW, post haste was pretty good. When you think about it there's probably a lot of post-based humor potential. EEng 14:53, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

EEng Dlohcierekim's delightful post brought back memories of another version of that sentiment. I share it in a thread above titled "Very well said" and I thought you might get a grin out of it. Cheers "hic" to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 16:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Hic/haec/hoc is why were are here.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

User LONDONONTARIOOOOO

London, Ontario   Dlohcierekim (talk)

Re: This edit - I see your attempt at humour, but that's a bit harsh. Ciao, PKT(alk) 02:08, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't ever call a recommendation to read Heinlein harsh. Acroterion (talk) 02:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

LOL! Hadn't seen that angle, @Acroterion: !! ... PKT(alk) 02:20, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@PKT: Thanks for your note. How harsh? Sincere and heartfelt. What angle did you see?  Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I thought the quote "how to cure teen ennui and social directionlessness" was over the top. Please understand - I don't disagree with you. It's a matter that some words aren't needed sometimes. OTOH, I thought the discussion on the user page tonight was rather entertaining ;) ...PKT(alk) 02:36, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I think my assessment is more charitable-- seeing his vandalism in this light-- than other possibilities. And also, with age comes insight into such behavior.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:49, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, but not keen

I have just seen User:Dlohcierekim/nua, and your use of it at User talk:Petrmani. Thanks for the acknowledgement, but I think a big prominent link to a user space page, all in three-letter acronyms, is unlikely to be helpful to a new user. At the best they will follow the link, taking up time and achieving nothing, and at worst they will will feel intimidated by seeing yet another thing that they don't understand to add to the other aspects of editing Wikipedia that are new and puzzling to them. I'm not too worried about being having attribution, but can I suggest that if you do want to give attribution then a hidden comment would be better? JamesBWatson (talk) 13:00, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Actually, on second thoughts I quite like the ability to occasionally check if pages I have created have been used, which doesn't work with hidden comments. I thought of creating a z-template, but I'm not sure about the propriety of using one for a user page. Perhaps it doesn't matter, or perhaps the content of the page could be copied into template space. Anyway, even if neither of those is done I still regard not being able to trace it as better than having a prominent link on new users' talk pages. While I was considering the possibility of a z-template I discovered that you created {{Z184}} but didn't add it to Template:Z number doc#List of assigned z number templates, so I have taken the liberty of doing so. Please don't hit me if you didn't want me to do that. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:05, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I did? What's a "Z-template"?  Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:10, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you created it, but now I see that you just protected it, and it was Winged Blades of Godric who created it and didn't add it to the list. I'll answer What's a "Z-template"? when I have time, but now I don't. For the moment don't worry about it. When I get time I'll also try to remember to answer your comment at User talk:Nomalias. (I've double checked, and that one really was you.) JamesBWatson (talk) 15:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Looks like I forgot to add to the list:-( Created it, when I was regularly tweaking with the NPP-suite to install more options for the reviewers. ∯WBG^converse 08:14, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• Z number templates (which I abbreviated to "z-template") are fairly obscure, and probably not many people know about them, and I assumed you did only because I mistakenly thought you had created one. A z number template is a template with a name like {{Z1}}, {{Z2}}, {{Z184}}, etc and no content at all except a link to Template:Z number doc, which explains all about z number templates, but the idea is as follows. Suppose you want to know where some template is used, say Template:Uw-spamublock. Transclusions can be found by Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Uw-spamublock, but that will not list pages where the template is subst-ed. However, the text of Template:Uw-spamublock includes , so Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Z17 will show all pages where the template has been used, whether by transclusion or by subst. (Probably not very useful for a template used on such a large number of pages as Uw-spamublock, but it can be useful for tracing uses of less commonly used templates.) JamesBWatson (talk) 11:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

  @JamesBWatson: Thanks, that's incredible. I can use that tool.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

I hope you're having a great day! :-)

threatening Wikipedia editors is a b-a-a-a-a-d ide-e-e-ea.  Dlohcierekim (talk)

Hi Dlohcierekim! I just wanted to leave you a message and wish you a great day. I figured I'd message you to know that I was thinking about you... I'm glad to see that you're still active here and still dedicated to the project. Keep up the great work, and keep doing the great things you do. You're a valuable asset to this project, and we need you more than ever here. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• @Oshwah: Thanks. Appreciate it. If you take look at this one's edit filter, not everyone feels that way. I've taken the recommended steps, but I'm supposed to tell someone.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 08:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

HA! A typical day in the life of an admin who reverts vandalism and puts a kibosh to trolls and abusive editors. I get these all the time; it's a sign of a good admin who dedicates themselves to keeping the project clean. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

It always amuses me when vandals threaten you with things found in ridiculous GoAnimate videos (that's where 'punishment day' and 'dead meat' come from; sadly, no 'grounded grounded grounded for (absurd number) centuries') 😂. Always hilarious and shows our processes work pretty well in the end. Nate • (chatter) 03:13, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

If they are trying to be funny, they need to know I have no sense of humor that I'm aware of  Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Connect First Credit Union

Feel free to undo me and speedy delete the above if you feel it warrants it. My decline was based on the organisation probably being notable, but there is certainly a whiff about the draft. --kingboyk (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

PS I've moved to Uw-paid2 on the user's talk page as they have edited after and without responding to the Uw-paid1 template I left on their talk page. --kingboyk (talk) 20:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kingboyk: Either they can fix it or they can't. No need to hurry the deletion unless it's a copyvio. I did not check. There is an air of urgency in their editing.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I almost blocked based on the user name. Looks like a role account.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:13, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Protecting pages

Thanks for your help. I was wondering if you could delete this from my talk page history. I wish you a good day. --Mazewaxie 11:14, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Please help

Please help improve the style of the article Dissolution of United States. --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 15:08, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

@Vyacheslav84: looks like those better than I gave it a try.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:19, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Good! --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Page protection didn't last long

It looks like a bot was busy here. -- BullRangifer (talk) 05:25, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

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Manish Raj Pandey

Hi Dlohcierekim. I saw that you moved Manish Raj Pandey to draft space in early June [14] as the article was only sourced to wikipedia. Another user (who I suspect as being a sock of a blocked user) moved the article to main space and made no changes to it [15]. I moved the article back [16], but unfortunately I do not have the ability to do so without leaving a re-direct. Can you please delete the re-direct here [17]? Many thanks. Agent00x (talk) 19:30, 31 July 2019 (UTC)  Done Left message with the latest mover.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Zomato

Sir, can you please check the sources:

• Man cancels order over delivery person’s religion, Zomato wins hearts by taking stand
• Uber Eats tells Zomato we stand by you on Jabalpur Muslim delivery boy row. Internet loves
• Jabalpur police to Zomato customer: Tweet hate, go to jail

Clearly, a customer made a hate tweet by refusing to accept food delivery from a non-Hindu delivery executive and this incident draws wide support when the food delivering company cancelled the order. Now, some people are trying to shame this company for taking stand against such bigotry. Source:Trolls are Giving Zomato App 1-Star Ratings Because It Didn’t Give In To Bigotry.

You have currently protected the page. In this context I would like to request you to a look at the sources for once and edit the controversy part in neutral tone as per Wikipedia's policy without being biased to any side. Thank you. --12.189.124.50 (talk) 22:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@12.189.124.50: Thanks for your note. You need to discuss this on the article talk page. Thanks, -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

I already did. Thank you again. --12.189.124.50 (talk) 06:24, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Ze goose- she is cooked.-- Dlohcierekim (talk)

Hello, Deepfriedokra. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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There were quite a lot of links in it, so it may have been gobbled up by your spam filter; let me know if there's nothing in your inbox. Yunshui ^雲_水 14:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Thou art kind.

Three grey geese in a green field a-grazing. Grey were the geese and green was the grazing.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:42, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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Response to post user name change unblock

Thank you for your prompt action.

It was the least I could do after the prompt renaming. Sorry for the inconvenience.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:47, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

vishnumaya

"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuttichathan".As per your admin right you are protecting this page.i was requesting several times doing like that.But it actual page name was "vishnumaya".Some folks alter actual name for there fraud temple.Please revise actual name and current photo,which copy right claim by one of fraud temple.so please revise same ,if it is not against wiki rights. And vishnumaya not demons.They are god siva and parvati's magical kids.They are gods.Most of kerala temple vishnumaya is sub deity .So if wrong info protection will make huge bad out come.please edit vishnumaya is god.

Yeah, no. Sounds like a content dispute. Please discuss on the article talk page and seek consensus there.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:49, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

"if you can protect Revision as of 05:02, 30 July 2019 (view source) 43.229.90.195 (talk)" please do that,if you thing request is unproritate you can check contant check .

Kelley O'Hara

FYI, if you want to hide the username of that user on Kelley O'Hara, her name is mentioned in my edit summary. CLCStudent (talk) 14:04, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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You've got mail from me, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Jesus!

EEng's humor-- some of us just can't get enough-- Dlohcierekim (talk)

Maybe you better add a snappy follow-on to one of the captions so people will stop protecting your feelings by removing the images. Sometimes I wonder if adding unconstructive images to discussions is worth all the effort. EEng 03:52, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@EEng: Thanks for your note. As you may have noted, some are ill-equipped to appreciate fine art, high humor, puns, or pithy, insightful commentary. These are sad times we live in-- sad times.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

You must have me confused with someone else. I'm talking about coarse art, low humor, bad puns, and bloviated jejune commentary. EEng 04:15, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

You have transformed shooting off your mouth into a not totally unappreciated artform, EEng. A tattoo artist and t-shirt designer has a major retrospective at the De Young Museum in San Francisco now. Next, your jokes. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:23, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Your kind words have been duly entered in the Great Register [18]. EEng 04:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Just a note that I didn't remove the images to protect Dlohcierekim's feelings. I did it because I have no sense of humor and won't be satisfied until all of Wikipedia complies with my personal taste (lol). Cheers! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:25, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Womanly construed — I gotta use that! El_C 04:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @MJL:While I appreciate the efforts, I'm one of those sadly-twisted individuals who think Eeng is funny. I do note that I didn't see my smelt there anymore. Oh well, as I've said before, chacun à son goût. That thread-- that mega thread-- is so oppressively droll and melodramatic, almost anything would be an improvement.-- -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I love asparagus and burgers but am impartial to asps, though I'm sure I could learn to love them if they could learn to love me.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

[Thank you for the ping] My apologies for the confusion, but I actually sincerely meant the part where I said I hadn't removed the images for your benefit. I generally trust you to be able to stick up for yourself lmao. I just personally found them in poor taste and was just advocating for my own opinion there. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Many people do, I'm afraid. EEng is like gin, an acquired taste.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Rjrya395

Did you notice that the second unblock request includes an accusation of bad faith against MarnetteD? I don't think that was a terribly good idea. Guy (Help!) 10:18, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@JzG:Thanks for your note. None of his unblock requests will ever be cited of an example at the WP:GAB. Let's see. Tony declined the one about "an obvious troll edit" (referring to User:The abominable Wiki troll) in which he also said "I am sorry for my behavior". At about the same time I added some advice about things that had helped me in the past that he'd need to do-- like dropping the stick. He apparently did not heed the advice. And the discussion deteriorated from there. Was there something unsound about my advice?-- Dlohcierekim 15:11, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh no, not at all. I just wondered if you'd noticed, since you seemed to be considering the appeal. I was neutral on it, but he flamed out and got TPA revoked so it's moot anyway. Guy (Help!) 16:07, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Aleph Frams

Hi, my name is Ido Kislev. In the past few weeks, I’ve edited the draft of Aleph Farms based on the comments I saw. I really want to avoid late date review and be canceled and then wait to review again after more 8 weeks. Do you mind looks over the draft and see what I need to change for acceptation? Also, is there any way to get the draft review? עידו כ.ש. (talk) 15:01, 12 August 2019 (UTC) עידו כ.ש. (talk) 15:01, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Hat trick

You hatted part of my original appeal text at WP:AN when you hatted BMK's reply/discussion. Can you fix please? Note that I carefully avoided anything about his intent or malevolence that he introduces there. Dicklyon (talk) 15:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Dicklyon

Hi.

I didn't mind when you hatted my comment in the current AN discussion on the grounds of "moving on", especially since I had no intention of further participation, but now I find that Dicklyon is referring to those hatted comments, and I have the choice of either going back on my intention and getting involved again -- which I really don't want to do -- or suffer Dicklyon's slings and arrows, making me into the bad guy he can bitch about without consequences.

I don't think that's fair.

Would you consider either unhatting my comment, or convincing Dicklyon to re-write his comment without me as the big bad wolf? After all, there was no numerical consensus to indef him, but 10 editors did !vote for it, with 2 others opting for a topic ban, vs. 12 14 who opposed, so it's not as if the community rose up as one and struck me down in indignation for my audacity. It's not BMK vs. Dicklyon, and it was never BMK vs. Dicklyon, and my name should not be bandied about when I've decided not to participate in order that we "move on".

Thanks for thinking about it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

And now he's made a personalized comment about me in a completely unrelated matter. Would you please hat this? Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Here's the thing: If Dicklyon is going to go around bad-mouthing me at every opportunity, sooner or later I'm going to have to defend myself, and that would be disruptive to Wikipedia. We had a dispute, the dispute was settled by the community in his favor, that really should be the end of it. Out of fairness, I've stayed out of his request to have his unblock conditions lifted, allowing the community to consider it. I wish that he would adopt a "live and let live" attitude and leave me alone. I believe that you, Dlohcierekim, as an admin might make him aware that he's making a mistake. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dicklyon:-- @Beyond My Ken: makes a valid point. Could you please remove the comment he speaks of? -- Dlohcierekim 12:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

You've gone tit-or-tat and are even. I can't really hat a discussion with other valid on-topic comments. Please let's all find something other to do.-- Dlohcierekim 12:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I struck the personal part as requested. Dicklyon (talk) 14:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate it. Beyond My Ken (talk)

BTW, non-sarcastic congratulations on having your unblock conditions lifted. I was pretty sure the community would do so if you asked for it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I will separately and calmly collect detailed chronologies of how BMK behaves at AN/I, so that maybe we can t-ban him from there. My case is but one example, and the other one I commented on is one more, but there's no shortage of others in the history. Probably some will agree that this work will bring more benefit to en.WP than my style gnoming does. Dicklyon (talk) 23:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

RfA : Just curious

Hi, Dlohcierekim, I got your "thanks" for my post on the ongoing RfA, but then noticed you were supporting, while I was opposing. Just curious why you thanked me? (This RfA stuff is all new to me. This was only the second I've participated in. If I'm breaching wiki-etiquette with my question, just let me know. I won't mind.). Cheers! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: Thanks for your note. Because it was one of the best thought out opposes I've ever seen. I don't really care that others disagree with my viewpoint, especially in a train wreck like this. It is, afterall, consensus seeking. It does not matter if we disagree, so long as we are not disagreeable about it. (I got that from a man I admired greatly once and came to disagree with bitterly. Small town politics.) (sideways glance and a wink at anyone on this page whose comments I have not read yet)-- Dlohcierekim 03:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Gary Null

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I'm being threatened with a lawsuit over this page. All I did was protect the thing and revdel copyvio's. As the Foundation makes no pretence of protecting us when we have done nothing wrong, I will probably be retiring 'cause it ain't worth this. -- Dlohcierekim 21:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, a lawsuit against you in the U.S. would go nowhere and could even result in sanctions against the attorney who filed suit. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Please, stick around, Dlohcierekim, we need more like you. I imagine you've forwarded the legal threats to legal@ the WMF? Also; if there's specific users harassing you with legal threats, I'd contact ARBCOM about it... Vanamonde (Talk) 22:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

What part of WP:NOLEGALTHREATS doesn't apply? Stick it out. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

That only applies to editors, not random outsiders. Dicklyon (talk) 22:36, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

What? Ok, then good luck Mike in your retirement. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I think what Dicklyon is trying to say is that while legal threats are forbidden, and users are blocked immediately for making them, the Wikipedia community cannot eliminate legal threats sent by email or other off-wiki forms of communication; only the Foundation theoretically can, and even then not always. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:59, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Right. And I should have added that the chance that an outsider is going to actually sue a random editor is pretty negligible, because they're not that stupid. I'd notify WMF and forget about the threat. First email at Meta:Legal#Wikimedia_Foundation_Email_Contacts. Dicklyon (talk) 23:53, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks y'all. The attorney sent me a letter. I replied via his email and copied legal. The thing of it is, the take down and contacting third parties that repeated the offending content could and should be done by the Foundation. As I made no edits other than SP for a dispute and revdeling copyvio's, I don't think I engaged in defamation. My problem is the thought that the WMF violated my anonymity (when I did nothing wrong and nothing outside policy) and it looks like they did not notify me they were doing so. They are supposed to notify me. Thrown to the wolves is the feeling, and coming on the heels of the FRAM debacle, I am again reassessing my future here. I really need to talk to the Foundation.-- Dlohcierekim 01:11, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Wait, are you saying the WMF gave the attorney your RL name and address? Are you sure? Vanamonde (Talk) 01:17, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I've no way of knowing. I don't know how else he could get it. This is what I find so troubling. They make no bones about giving out our information, though they do say they will notify us of doing so.-- Dlohcierekim 01:20, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I looked around on meta, and found this. If the WMF didn't follow this... it isn't a trivial matter at all. Would it be possible for an editor to find you simply by digging on-wiki? Not being more explicit for BEANS reasons, but I think you know what I'm referring to. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

That would take some digging. At any rate. My anonymity is compromised. I'll need to rename.-- Dlohcierekim 01:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

A rename might not be a bad idea; but I would talk to ARBCOM, who are far better placed to advise you, and also maybe ask legal if they have released your information? Did you get a response from them? Vanamonde (Talk) 01:28, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Your identity is pretty transparent. I wouldn't assume WMF gave it out. Dicklyon (talk) 04:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

STill waiting.-- Dlohcierekim 01:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I realize this is disconcerting, and I'm sorry to learn you're going through this, but I advise patience, on all fronts. This needs to be investigated properly. El_C 04:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah what El C says. I don’t know if James Alexander responds to pings; I’m sure you’ll hear from them soon. Drmies (talk) 04:32, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

MastCell, you get a letter? Drmies (talk) 04:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

It's very unclear to me what you are supposed to have done to warrant a lawsuit!! I'm more involved than you by our standards, as are many others. wtf? -Roxy, the dog. wooF 12:32, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• i can pretty much guarantee the WMF didn’t provide your name and address. For one thing, they don’t have it! The most they could provide is an IP address, and that seems really, really unlikely too. I imagine this is some weasel, who may or may not be an attorney, who played junior detective and tracked you down. Roxy et al are harder for junior detectives to track down, so they don’t get letters. You’re still in an annoying situation, but I don’t think you’ve been betrayed by WMF. —Floquenbeam (talk) 12:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Please don't let this drive you off the project. It's a bullying tactic by some incompetent attorney who found you somehow. Nothing will come of it. You shouldn't have even responded, just forwarded to WMF legal. EEng 13:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Did that too. And as it appears it was my own ineptitude the WMF is in the clear. They could do me a favor and act on my email, though.-- Dlohcierekim 13:38, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

We'd all be interested to know what this stupid letter you got says. EEng 15:09, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes. What's it say? Stick around and wait. You have done nothing wrong or illegal. -- BullRangifer (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Claims I'm defaming him because of the content about which I started this BLPN thread. If anyone could go through the content and the sourcing, he claims the content that was removed and restored misrepresents the sources. If that is the case, we need to remove it.-- Dlohcierekim 15:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I've watchlisted the article so you won't be alone. They can threaten me too if they want. EEng 16:01, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

But could someone look at the content and the sources and decide if the offending content does misrepresent the source? And comment at the BLPN?-- Dlohcierekim 17:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A cold one

Thirsty work, kicking trolls  :) ——SerialNumber54129 10:52, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello world. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 11:16, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Some okra for you!

	The Okra Award for Crisp Renaming
	Congrats on the username, hopefully I'll be able to spell this one... Yunshui 雲水 11:20, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

May I

call you Arkodeirfpeed?  :-) Jip Orlando (talk) 12:51, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

If it brings you as much joy as eating deep fried okra. then please do so. :)-- Deepfriedokra 13:28, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Signature

Update your signature. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 13:34, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

DErp.-- Deepfriedokra 13:35, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

:) Feel free to delete this section when you do. Hope everything else is going well! – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 13:37, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry

...about the revert on AN/I. Your troll imitation was rather convincing, though. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 14:33, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

No prob, didn't notice.-- Deepfriedokra 15:42, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

A fried okra for you!

	The Fried Okra barnstar
	Love your username!, I can also spell it and say it too so that's a bonus! :), Keep up the great work! Happy editing! :), –Dave | Davey2010Talk 15:19, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

The dish is a favorite as is are you Deep. :-) Congrats to Davey2010 for finding just the right pic. I hope you both have a pleasant weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 15:38, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Haha thanks MarnetteD :), Admittedly my choosing was purely down to the title (ie it having "fried okra" in it lol), Thanks and I hope you have a lovely relaxing weekend too :), Take care Marnette, –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 16:16, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

busy

This user is engaged in a real life dispute with mold and plumbing and might make any responses in a state of delirium. None of this is a metaphor.-- Deepfriedokra 16:29, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Update Mold and part of plumbing now in trash.-- Deepfriedokra 17:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey, humans survived for millennia without indoor plumbing, what's the worst that could happen? Not that anyone asked for my opinion. ^creffpublic _{a creffett franchise} (talk to the boss) 18:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for your support for my unsuccessful RfA. The support of editors like yourself means a lot to me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Please don't scare me like that again ;)

Gotta say, I saw "User:Dlohcierekim (page does not exist)" when I hovered over your old sig on a talk page convo and just about had a heart attack. I thought you'd quit or retired or something. Good to see you're still here. Oh, and I approve of your username. Yum. Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 22:06, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Wholesome Wiki

Hi Deepfriedokra! I just wanted to leave you a message here and answer your question (even though you removed it shortly afterwards). If I recall correctly, I performed an online search, and a Wiki site with that exact name and (I believe) website domain name. This is why I applied the soft block to the account. :-) I hope you're doing well and that life is treating you comfortably. By the way, what's with the username change? :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

@Oshwah: The old one did not hide my real name as well as I'd thought.-- Deepfriedokra 05:44, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Deepfriedokra - Wait, what? I'm going to email you... I want to make sure that everything is oversighted and suppressed for you. I'll inquire further via email... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

namie

@Oshwah:. It is no secret.-- Deepfriedokra 12:58, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh good Lord... I'm sorry to see that you received a legal threat externally like that. I'm extremely happy and I'm proud of you for staying and for not retiring despite the (probably extreme) scare that you went through (and might still be going through). Was it emailed to you? Or sent to your physical address? Or both? Also, I agree with what others have said: The WMF definitely did not give out your personal information nor would they even have it... He likely did a Google search on your username, found some pages, and connected A --> B somehow. Changing your username was the advisable thing to do in order to put a stop to that. Are the rename logs visible? If not, we... should probably change that. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:10, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

@Oshwah: "Hello!" Remember to eat your beans! :p ——SerialNumber54129 14:14, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done. I've rev del'd all of the edit summaries describing the page moves and reason on all pages within your user space. This will keep you protected. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, the good news is his assertions about my actions are baseless. Thanks to all who are now cleaning up Gary Null, which has had problems since before I joined Wikipedia.-- Deepfriedokra 17:12, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, and if any talk page watchers could lend a hand at removal anything lacking the best possible sourcing or anything misrepresenting the sources, it would be appreciated.-- Deepfriedokra 17:13, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey guys (@Deepfriedokra and Oshwah:) I don't think we've officially met yet. Assuming the point of all this was to lose trackers and dissociate yourself from any connections to your real identity, I must inform you that, unfortunately, one of your past contributions, made in an area of interest to me, still has your identity attached to it. If you guys can revdel it as soon as I give you the revision here, I will do so. Otherwise, you should probably revdel this edit as soon as you see it, in which case, I will set up my email in the next few days and mail you the revisions. I really wanna help but I don't want to have to set up a new email to do it. Your thoughts please. I'm not sure how bad of an idea it was to post here like this but since I have done so anyway, I should point out that [[[REDACTED - Oshwah]|this section]] on a public page which makes an obvious starting point for any tracker shows a new admin emerged out of the blue in the past few days bearing the exact same signature design as the old user that said trackers might be looking for. Or maybe that doesn't matter, since the deletion logs of old pages link to this account anyway? Usedtobecool ^✉ ✨ 18:08, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm currently mobile and can review the link in a few hours. I've redacted and suppressed the information until I've had a chance to go through it. Should be in a few hours. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:24, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, y'all. I'm not worried moving forward. The current incident merely showed the depths of my naivety. At any rate, the current obvious talk page stuff will be archived or is so low visibility as to be unconcerning Moving forward, I need to be more circumspect.-- Deepfriedokra 20:45, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I realised after posting here that there's simply too many places that link between the old username and the new. You should remove all edits/revisions that link to your real world identity though. Usedtobecool ^✉ ✨ 21:07, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Deepfriedokra - I modified your signatures on the page that Usedtobecool linked to above just to be safe... I was mobile earlier today when I saw Usedtobecool's message, and didn't know how long the message was there nor what the link contained exactly... so I suppressed it pending a full review when I had the chance to sit down. I will need to restore visibility to the revision at least as a revision deletion, since the revision does not directly fall into a criterion for suppression directly, but (as you stated above) I expect the risk of exposure to be very low as this and other relevant discussions die down and come to a close. If there's anything I can do oversight-wise in order to keep you protected, please email me as soon as you become aware of a concern, and I will be happy to take care of that for you. Again, I'm sorry that this happened to you. I definitely echo the advice given to you by Usedtobecool above... take a good block of time, sit down, and set any social media and public facing sites or profiles of you to be as private as possible. Then, do a Google search on yourself (literally)... you'll be surprised as to what you find when you actually take effort to find... yourself. Visit those sites and remove or change privacy settings on that information. This (along with the changes you made here) will keep your identity safe and protected. I'm available and willing to help you if you need anything at all... please don't hesitate to let me know if you do. Keep me updated and let me know how things go. :-) Best - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I'll avoid gracing your page with this particular username as a header

I don't think our friend Farhtcunnt's edits were vandalism exactly. I thought them more to be meaningless changes for the purpose of making autoconfirmed. But then that's not good either. And the username..! So, good block, though I kind of disagree with your rationale, dear User:Deliciousness. (I've never tried a deep-fried food I didn't like.) Bishonen | talk 03:15, 25 August 2019 (UTC).

Close call, I think, but the trolling vandalism looking back over the shoulder to see if we're watching "won an award for being a woman" tipped the scale. Also, my dyslexia flipped the r and the h so I read it as Fahr instead of the other.-- Deepfriedokra 03:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Farhtcunnt

Thanks for the block on User:Farhtcunnt. They are now vandalising their talk page. Could you remove their access to it as well? Thanks, Railfan23 (talk) 05:04, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Done. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:12, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Tenzin Choesang

Hello there,

My name is Hanh Pham and currently working at Medical Home Center. I am assigned to publish a page about Tenzin Choesang. I was informed that someone created the page before and got deleted for some reason. I am going through the process of how to publish a page since I am not very familiar with this. Would it be able for me to re-create the page and fix the problem that caused the deletion?

Thank you, Hanh Pham — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanhpham.mhc (talk • contribs) 19:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker here) Hi! I'd like to first remind you to sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). Second, please read our policy on paid editing, which strongly discourages editing for pay. As for why your article was deleted, I can only imagine that it was either due to not being reliably sourced, being promotionally toned, or both. If you have any questions, you can comment here or on my talk page. Thanks, Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 20:20, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hanhpham.mhc: Thanks for your note. I was pretty clear about the deletion rationale on User talk:TenzinTashiChoesang. Please see user:Deepfriedokra/g11 for a copy of the message I left. The page was unambiguously promotional. It was also utterly bereft of citations to sources. "All content must be cited from reliable sources that are unconnected with the subject and have a reputation for fact checking." Also, to have an article about a person, the subject would need to meet the relevant notability guideline. As you were assigned to write about this person, I'll be laying a PAID notice on your talk page.-- Deepfriedokra 21:08, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Motizun edit history

Hi, I believe we talked before in regards to restoring several Marvel movie articles. I noticed that the editor that was banned that resulted in those articles deletions’ edit history of a deleted draft they made prior to being blocked was merged into Draft:Untitled The Matrix sequel. I know it’s typically protocol to erase those edit histories, so I’m wondering if it’s possible to have their edit history removed from the draft? Rusted AutoParts 16:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: At first blush, I'd think we need to keep the edit history for attribution if it contains earlier revisions of the page.-- Deepfriedokra 17:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

I suppose. It’s a bit of a weird thing cause it’s mostly just copy and paste content that I also did when I created the next version of the page. Rusted AutoParts 18:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

If you copy pasted from somewhere else on Wikipedia, and that is not attributed, I would think it's a copyvio. I mean I've seen that treated as such. If it's copypasted from a now deleted page, then that deleted page would likely need a histmerge.-- Deepfriedokra Thoughts from watchers appreciated.19:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, the version that exists right now can be rewritten. It’s Motizun’s version history that was predominantly copypaste. Rusted AutoParts 21:30, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

We would still need to keep the history for attribution. At a glance I think we have attribution history, so it's all OK from that standpoint.-- Deepfriedokra 11:01, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Ahsaas Channa

I wonder why you changed the content about the subject's birth place here. ABP News is a reliable news agency. It also passes WP:RS as per RSN. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

It did not actually say she was born there. One might conjecture and surmise, but that would be WP:OR. Unless I missed where it specifically says so? Please feel free to restore if it expressly stated Mumbai as her place of birth.-- Deepfriedokra 14:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Actually her birth place is mentioned as Jalandhar in this reliable link [19]. Those vandals were changing it to Mumbai repeatedly. That's the reason I requested a PP. You saw the vandalized version [20] with "Mumbai" as the birth_place, which is obviously an WP:OR. I can understand. I'm restoring it to the sourced version. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:35, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

You are most welcome sir.

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Neato

I like your screen name. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Mussolini family

Thanks for protecting Mussolini family, it's been awhile for me and I couldn't remember how to request page protection (just realized TW has the option for it). Hintswen  Talk | Contribs  09:32, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Spam?

How was this spam? I saw the name of the CEO of PBS, thought it would be useful to link to his article, & did so. I have no other interests in either article. (Although I'd be happy to talk about ancient Roman history or Taoism.) -- llywrch (talk) 21:36, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@Llywrch: I'm sorry. I misread the dif's and immediately self reverted. Apologies.-- Deepfriedokra 21:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

OK. Glad to know I haven't been brainwashed somehow & have been inserting spam into Wikipedia without knowing. -- llywrch (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

		The Admin's Barnstar
		Hello Deepfriedokra. I would like to thank you very much for all of your contributions you have done as an administrator. For this reason, I would love to present this barnstar to you, for all of your protections, anti-vandalism, and blocking of bad users. Please keep up your great work! Have a very nice day! Wyatt2049 | (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Possible deletion needed

Could you please look at this edit and see if the content needs to be deleted? I think the editor was trying to be helpful, but I do not think they went about it the right way. I am also not sure how to nominate a picture for deletion. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:02, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

1) revdeled. 2) you'll need to contact the admins on commons.-- Deepfriedokra 05:34, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Ebolats

A tag has been placed on User talk:Ebolats requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Cahk (talk) 19:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• Cahk I hope that you noticed that DFO deleted the page in August rather than creating it. MarnetteD|Talk 19:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Welll. I created when I added the deletion notification after I deleted it. The software did all the rest.-- Deepfriedokra 05:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Aaah thanks for clearing that up. My apologies to Cahk for missing that important bit of info. MarnetteD|Talk 02:23, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Well, I have now deleted the page again, and re-created it again, copying Deepfriedokra. Only my own original contribution, not copied from Deepfriedokra, was indefinitely blocking the editor. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:30, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

SMDH. Why do people come to the English Wikipedia and put up off-topic content in a different language?-- Deepfriedokra 15:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Wrong ping

Hi, Deep. (I feel I know you well enough by now to use your first name, even though I never used to use your first name in the past.) I recently tried to ping an editor, only to get a notification that no user by that name existed. I thought I had made some mistake, but now I know that I didn't. It's a fairly trivial matter, of no importance, but I thought you just might like to know. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:17, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Turmoil and upset seem to be the price of cleaning things up. Soon it shall pass.-- Deepfriedokra 15:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

PTF

Please do carry on anywhere but here.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I think it's likely PTF is going to pull a sanction. It's unfortunate that their unwillingness to remain civil to people who regularly plaster their userpages with swastikas and polemics (also here [21] and here) will likely be their undoing. But I am not certain if there's anything that can be done. :/ Simonm223 (talk) 19:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC) We should probably block the people with the swastikas and polemic. I really don't see the need to sanction him. -- Deepfriedokra 19:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC) Oh, I thought you meant other users plastering PTF's userspace. Nevermind then.-- Deepfriedokra 20:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC) No, I meant users flying the swastika in their own user space. I've a bit of a zero-tolerance approach to that sort of thing though. Simonm223 (talk) 11:36, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Dangit

You zapped it before I could grab it, but you probably want to leave the original signature. GMG^talk 19:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

UGH. I'll retrieve.-- Deepfriedokra 19:03, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your service. GMG^talk 19:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Genesis Institute

Hey Deepfriedokra,

What would you recommend I do with Genesis Institute. It was originally created as a disambiguation page and seemingly hijacked by an SPA (who hasn't edited since 2016) (see [22] and [23]). The article was pure fluff sourced only to the company's website. I recently reverted an IP adding gems like "From the time of its inception, the institute has taken immense pride in having trained thousands of students – intrinsically demonstrating a high level of quality and commitment to training in the region" and "Our world-class ecosystem allows you to access our expertise even outside the classroom through round the clock trainer and student relations support." Would an AfD be best here or a page merge since it was hijacked? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

@HickoryOughtShirt?4: At first blush, I'd revert to the original. If the 2nd version is notable, I'd separate the two and move the 2nd one to a new article. Or, separate the two and AfD the ARTSPAM page. If the 2nd is G11 and you think that would fly, revert, protect, and revdel the ARTSPAM. If there's a hint of notability, AfD. Suggestions from stalkers welcome.-- Deepfriedokra 22:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Yech. Too many cites in the pre-IP version. AfD the ARTSPAM. if the sources don't pan out.-- Deepfriedokra 22:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

@HickoryOughtShirt?4: What? Wait. The Genesis Institute is not a plausible redirect to those targets. Wow. -- Deepfriedokra 22:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I separated the two and sent the original back to its disamobig version. Why they did all this, I do not know. Restored the less spammy artspam version-- Deepfriedokra 22:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Do we no longer have two target disambiguation pages? Wow. What a mess.-- Deepfriedokra 22:47, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

You say "Genish"; I say "Ganish". Let's call the whole thing off.-- Deepfriedokra 22:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Haha, thanks for the help :). HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

all money in

all money in website allmoneyrecords.com why was it taken off? Im representative of the label please put it back then protect it and artist Wali da Great is signed..— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucknumba (talk • contribs)

@Lucknumba:No idea what you are talking about. As you are "the label"'s oficial representative please read and heed WP:COI and WP:PAID. As you may have been told, "all content must be cited from reliable sources that are unconnected with the subject and have a reputation for fact checking."-- -- Deepfriedokra 03:25, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Recent history restorations

This is a copy of the talk page message I left on User:Anthony Appleyard’s page in regards to some recent requests for history restorations made by a potential suspicious IP:

I’m concerned recently that the history restorations/merges of Draft:Gladiator 2 (film), Draft:Baby Driver 2 and Draft:Your Name (upcoming film) that were requested by the IP address 70.21.181.186 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) were very specific requests. These edit histories were deleted when the draft creators User:Hayholt, User:Artix Kreiger and User:TheGreenTower were blocked for sock puppetry, with the first two being socks of User:Winterysteppe. I’m wondering if the IP has correlation to those editors and were looking to have their edit histories restored, which is in itself a circumvention of their ban. Rusted AutoParts 17:34, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: I'm afraid nothing springs immediately to mind. You might want to start a WP:SPI. Maybe @Bbb23: can tell us more.-- Deepfriedokra 20:34, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Not without violating policy.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, regardless I feel it's pretty evident they are still operating on the site. just noticed another IP address is still making requests for history restoration/merging for articles like Draft:Blade (upcoming film) and The Organ Donor, those edit histories belonging to User:Faromics, who is also an identified IP of Winterysteppe, edit histories that were deleted as a result of them being Winterysteppe. Rusted AutoParts 04:20, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

All Money In Article suggestion

Thanks for your quick response and clarifying information for me,i am NOT being paid to edit or write any wiki articles however I am staff/Representative for All money in.My job is to monitor our company online presence and make sure it is accurate.It is why I ask is their way for me NOT to write or edit the article but to make suggestions to the article which would include our official site and fix errors on the article? allmoneyinrecords.com (official site) Missing artist:Wali Da Great(on the page)

Label has partnership with Atlantic Records

These would be information that would benefit the accuracy of the articl — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucknumba (talk • contribs) 21:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lucknumba:. Clearly, if your, " job is to monitor our company online presence and make sure it is accurate", you are being PAID to monitor and ensure the accuracy of this article. The best way to to ensure accuracy is by citing content to a "reliable source that is unconnected with the subject and has a reputation for fact checking." It would be best if you suggest the desired edit on the article talk page if you can provide a reliable, verifiable, independent source for the content. Hope that helps.-- Deepfriedokra 02:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lucknumba: Oh. Rats. Did not see you were blocked. Please pass this information on to your employer. Tell 'em the next person they send needs to carefully read and heed WP:COI and WP:PAID-- Deepfriedokra 02:35, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Test

Hey, I'd rather have the personal enrichment/enhancement. Drmies (talk) 13:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2019).

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Legal threat on ESPN

Hi, sorry to bother you, but I'm not exactly sure how to deal with this. I reverted and warned the IP about legal threats. Should the edit/edit summary be deleted from the history? Thanks for any help in advance. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@Wallyfromdilbert: Thanks for your note. They are threatening ESPN, not us. I left them a note.-- Deepfriedokra 10:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Problem editor back again?

Howdy Sherrif, a few weeks ago you dealt with this editor User talk:LightFromABrightStar. Now we have User talk:CherryBlossomsInTheNight causing trouble for User:Doug Weller. I assume that this is the same IP. I discovered this new user because, despite you advising LightFromABrightStar to do no further edits without reaching consensus on the Origin of the domestic dog, CherryBlossomsInTheNight did just that. I have reverted the edit. William Harristalk 09:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

CU blocked them both, I'll tidy it up tomorrow and I guess raise an SPI for the record. Doug Weller talk 20:37, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Thanks. I will make a note on both recommending against unblocking due to the recidivism.-- Deepfriedokra 21:30, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

George Boole

Thank you for adding protections to the George Boole article! I really appreciate it! :) ∞^southern_kangaroo ∞ talk∞ 14:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Cleanup thoroughly?

I have just deleted pages created by user:EFarda, user:Supriya Sharma MHC and user:Risingfreemovie. In each case you had applied a speedy tag to one of the user's pages and then gone on to block them. If your thinking was that you always like someone else to have a second opinion on a deletion, then I thoroughly agree with you. But I think in cases like these, if you have been bold enough to block the user than you can be equally bold and delete their rubbish speedily. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:02, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) RHaworth and Deepfriedokra: Opinions on this vary considerably. DGG, for example, rarely if ever speedily deletes a page off his own bat rather than tagging it to be considered by another administrator. (At least that's how it seemed to be years ago, but his editing and mine overlap much less nowadays than they used to, so his practice may have changed.) At the other end of the spectrum are some administrators who cheerfully apply IAR and unilaterally speedily delete pages even when they must be aware that doing so is not only unsupported by the speedy deletion policy but also against what consensus would be if there were a discussion. (I have in mind one particular administrator, but I won't name him unless and until I decide his actions warrant a report at ANI, which I may do sooner or later.) My own view is that taking up two administrators' time on a task instead of one means that there is one other task the second administrator could have done in the time and doesn't, and there is always a backlog of admin tasks, some of which never get dealt with, so I regard it as more constructive to delete things unilaterally if I am confident they should be deleted, and tag for a second opinion only if I have doubts. JBW (talk) Formerly known as JamesBWatson 21:10, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@RHaworth and JBW: Indeed, like DGG, I prefer checks and balances and will sometimes tag rather than deleting myself. I arrive at such pages by checking contribs of editors whose work I have have already CSD'd or by checking contribs of those reported at UAA-- presumably the page was reviewed by the reporting user and not tagged. So there is a hint of a doubt. Or perhaps they did not go that far into thoroughness. I never ask. Like DGG, I am seldom declined and am seldom reversed at DRV. Ironically, one of the DRV reversals occurred after I honored one of his tags.

I have a higher threshold for honoring CSD tags than some, and I should imagine some have a higher threshold than I. SoWhy comes to mind as someone I think has a higher threshold than I. So if I have a doubt or am uncertain as to the salvage potential for a promotional page, I like a second opinion.

So why SPAMU block the said editor? Because the editor had a promotional user name and created a promotional page. Whether or not it could be rewritten instead of being the deleted is a separate question. And that is the one for which I needed a second opinion. Also, I could have been wrong in the first instance. I hate apologizing, but might have owed them an apology even so.

As to wasting time, I'm sorry if anyone feels time is wasted. I seldom feel my time is wasted when I go through all of a blocked editor's contribs looking for more problems. Could the reporting of user have done so? Likely. Perhaps they also felt the crush of time and simply moved on or had some other pressing matter. And then there's the maxim, "measure twice and cut once". Or double check. Because even more time wasting than checking CSD's for accuracy is being reversed at DRV. The listing, the discussion, the chastising, and then the inevitable reversal (followed by an apology) are time consuming for several people. (There are a number of users whose taggings I no longer consider because I've gotten reversed for CSDing something that might even have been kept a AfD. Looking for a good version is de rigueur, and sometimes I miss a good revision that could have been reverted to. More wasted time.)

So yes, if I read a page and it's promotional, but my delete reflex isn't triggered, I will likely seek a second opinion by tagging only.-- Deepfriedokra 13:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, everything you say makes sense, and it's really a question of emphasis, and where to draw the line, rather than real disagreement. I will just make a comment relating to one of the things you mentioned. I have rarely had deletions I have made taken to DRV, but on a significant proportion of those rare occasions I have not contested the challenge, but just reversed my deletion. While CSD, unlike PROD, is not only for deletions which nobody contests, if there is any reasonable disagreement then insisting on keeping the page deleted is not worth doing, in my opinion. (Of course it's a different matter when it seems to me to be a matter of unreasonable disagreement.) JBW (talk) Formerly known as JamesBWatson 16:05, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I think it is almost never a good idea to delete single handed. I have sometimes done so when it's a matter of removing a self-disclosing page by a child, or obvious vandalism, but otherwise i think it always safer not to. I think that I make very few mistakes, but with over 40,000 deletions, if I make only 1% errors that would amount to 400 wrongly deleted articles. My mistakes are generally those where another admin does not think it quite as obvious as I did, but I have also made a few misinterpretations and --if I try to do too many at once--downright errors. The operational meaning of obvious is that all other admins would agree also; the only way to tell that is to see if others actually do, so I do not think that anyone has justification to assume it. Quite apart from the possibility of error, it adds strength to the decision to delete to be able to say that two people agreed. I agree with JBW that there's no point in insisting on a speedy deletion.-- and I'd even say it's unjust to do so, because we have no authority except as the community agrees with us. If the other party is absurd, the only chance of their understanding is if several other people tell them.

The only reason we do not have an absolute rule against it is that it's proved difficult to define the exemptions.

There are many fewer admins deleting single handed than there used to be. If I encounter one still doing it, I've been known to try to persuade them otherwise and for some cases, I've succeeded. JBW, if you are still doing that, it's time you changed also. It's not that I think you make mistakes, for I think you rarely do, but that it shows a degree of confidence that nobody here should take upon themselves, as WP is a place dedicated to the principle that we do not decide by authority.) DGG ( talk ) 18:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@DGG: Well-said. And your reasoning is the philosophy underpinning my decision to tag instead of just deleting myself.-- Deepfriedokra 19:17, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Space Force (TV series)

Hey Deepfriedokra, I recently recreated the Draft for Space Force (TV series), and it was moved in to mainspace with old Draft revisions attached. Would it be possible to delete the revision on Space Force (TV series) from "19:13, 16 January 2019‎ - BoogerD" to "21:07, 24 September 2019 -‎ UnitedStatesian" similar to what you did on Draft:Bad Blood (upcoming film) when you moved it? Thanks, Vistadan 11:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Vistadan: Sorry, I will likely be nowhere near Wikipedia for several days. Perhaps a TPW could have a go.-- Deepfriedokra 13:25, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Deepfriedokra, No problem. If you would like to do it in several days, or if a TPW would like to do it, that would be much appreciated. Thanks, Vistadan 13:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Vistadan: I cannot see a rationale for deleting these revisions. As the edit summaries and user id's of Draft:Bad Blood (upcoming film) have been oversighted, I suppose the reason for those revdel's does not apply on Space Force (TV series) .-- Deepfriedokra 00:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Deepfriedokra, on Draft:Bad Blood (upcoming film), the revisions before mine, "08:39, 20 November 2018‎", were not part of the oversight and where revdel'ed because the Draft was moved and it accidentally restored the previous Draft revisions that were deleted [24], similar to what has happened on Space Force (TV series). – Vistadan 01:10, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Vistadan: Looks like @Anthony Appleyard: restored to preserve history. We should ask him. We may need the prior history as it looks like a WP:CSD#G13 REFUND.-- Deepfriedokra 17:20, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

An FYI

On 2 September 2019, you WP:PPed Rob Letterman for 2 days in response to a request of mine at WP:ANI or WP:RFPP. (I am not going to try to disinter my original post; every time I look at ANI, the more I am deterred from applying for adminship. Life is too short.) I am pleased to be able to report that that pp seems to have done its job. The vandal returned once, on 15 September, was swiftly stomped upon, and has not been back since. (Fingers crossed.) The most recent IP edits, of 27 September, are perfectly good ones. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 01:28, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Content dispute quandary

I've been involved in a content dispute at Onewheel. Discussion with the other editor on the talk page has gone nowhere. I posted on WP:RSN but no one responded. I also put in a request at WP:3O but again no one has responded. In the meantime, the content I object to has been reposted, as well as unsourced content from what I suspect (albeit with no evidence) is a WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT IP. What should I do now? I think if I take it anywhere else I'll get accused of WP:FORUMSHOP. Any advice would be appreciated. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 23:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Drm310: Gah. I do not know. TPW's? Still not focusing. Not enough coffee.-- Deepfriedokra 17:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Notice and report

Hello, for obvious username violations I will always give them the notice so they are first aware of the issue and can work on remedying the problem before they get the block for having a shared use/promotional username, otherwise they get hit with a block without any notice. I'm not sure how this can be taken as bad form. Any input would be appreciated. This is in reference to [25] McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 19:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mcmatter: Thanks for your note. You need to read up on the user name reporting policy. If we leave them a note, we do not report at UAA unless they do not respond. Item 6 in the instructions--"Do not leave a username warning on a user's talk page and also immediately report them here. Do one or the other, and not both simultaneously." There was less than a minute between your user page notification and your UAA report.-- Deepfriedokra 22:45, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

ok, I will refrain from doing both so close together or just skip the notice going forward. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 23:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Great to find out Arbcom is taking applications for check user. Too bad I found out after the period for accepting email applications had ended.-- Deepfriedokra 17:44, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Ahmed Rajib Haider needs protection again

The protection on the article expired, and the editor making problematic edits is back. He keeps uploading different low-quality photos exceeding fair-use resolution rules in efforts to get the photo I uploaded to be deleted (why? no idea) and left a bunch of cyrptic messages on my talkpage in very poor English. Please protect it and stop Mark Arr from editing it.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 13:38, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

user blocked.-- Deepfriedokra 12:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Doctor, My Eyes

Doctor, my eyes have seen the years And the slow parade of fears without crying Now I want to understand

I have done all that I could To see the evil and the good without hiding You must help me if you can

Doctor, my eyes Tell me what is wrong Was I unwise to leave them open for so long --Jackson Browne-- Deepfriedokra 12:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of N. R. Parasuraman

While a careful attempt was made to adhere to all the Wikipedia guidelines while creating this page, i guess there have been inadvertent violations. However, i would highly appreciate if you could guide me in getting a copy of the original wiki page that i created with all the tags. This would help me in editing the page appropriately as per the review report. Your guidance would be instrumental for the new contributors like me to participate in the Wikipedia's mission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mminhaj (talk • contribs) 18:15, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Copy wikitext emailed.-- Deepfriedokra 19:56, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

New GAMA Platform page

Hello,

You removed my previous draft about the GAMA Platform ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gama_Platform ) because it contains some unwanted advertisements.

I've been working hard on it and I would like to submit it again, but (to avoid being deleted again) I would like you to take a look on it and tell me what you think about that new page and if you think that there's still some stuff to change.

Regards

--RoiArthurB (talk) 09:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Pageant article problem(s)

You said "ping me if [problems continue]" when you protected Miss Universe 2019. Just wondered what level of involvement you're interested in. Do you want a ping for instance if connected contributors edit through your protection? -- Bri.public (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bri.public: If they are editing despite my protection, you should report them as is appropriate and/or request increase to EC. They the problems resumed after protection expired, it could be extended. I will not be around much, so won't be very helpful. -- Deepfriedokra 16:16, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Two other editors commented on my statement at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Another thing but no admin action has occurred that I'm aware of. Bri.public (talk) 17:12, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hi. I have a question, and I want to see if your answer confirms what I suspect about it - is there any such thing as acquiring points on your User Page on Wikipedia, which would increase and decrease when you do editing on articles? An editor who made some disruptive edits (and who I warned them about these), who is claiming some IP did them in his place (I suspect from using their account, which seems... far-fetched), stated this in response to a reply I made, stating that I believed their argument and reason for the edits were not honest ones. I assume he is making false claims, and need to verify this part as the same. GUtt01 (talk) 16:01, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@GUtt01: If someone other than the user used their account to edit, then that account is compromised and should be blocked. I have never heard of being awarded points for editing, per se.-- Deepfriedokra 16:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

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"Protected" Pete Buttigieg article

User is requested to address content concerns with policy based arguments and to raise their concerns in an appropriate manner in an appropriate venue.-- Deepfriedokra 11:40, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Why did you "protect" that article? 172.58.187.255 (talk) 01:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC) Per request at WP:RFPP.-- Deepfriedokra 09:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC) Whose request? Autoconfirmed users have vandalized that page more than IP users. 172.58.227.65 (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2019 (UTC) It's not vandalism, nor should you characterize the edits of those who disagree with you as vandalism. Perhaps you could discuss your edits in a civil manner on the talk page of the article. Looks to me like you are on some sort of agenda to get the edits you like in despite the concerns of others. Perhaps you should, instead of casting aspersions, state why your edits are constructive on the talk page and seek consensus for them.-- Deepfriedokra 16:40, 5 November 2019 (UTC) My edits were deleted by people who want to make this site worse. There's no reasonable excuse for deleting well-cited legitimate criticism of a poorly run mayoral administration. Noah Oppenheim's article demonstrates Wikipedia white washing's a problem. The guy with 23 billionaire donors hired white washers.. it's Very evident. 172.58.238.177 (talk) 02:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC) Once again, find policy based arguments in support of your version and make them at the article talk page. Please make no further edits here. Do not ping me elsewhere. Please stop casting aspersions and making personal attacks. If you feel I've acted wrongly, please raise the matter at WP:AN, if you can do so without further personal attacks/aspersions. Cheers, -- Deepfriedokra 11:36, 7 November 2019 (UTC) There's obvious consensus that hundreds of homeless families led to dozens of crimes. Do not close discussions before a week has passed and a consensus has been reached per WP:Closing discussions. You made a mistake by closing the article and Wikipedia editing is life or death now. Do not continue vandalizing or it will be costly. 172.58.227.230 (talk) 21:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Grace Ihejiamaizu

Definitely should be deleted. I just want to understand the reason it was restored first. Deb (talk) 17:00, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Deepfriedokra

Dredged in cornmeal or flour? Or do you occasionally favor okra stewed in tomatoes with sugar? Great user name! — Neonorange (Phil) 00:25, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Neonorange: All of the above.-- Deepfriedokra 11:42, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Tobias Madison

DFO, you may want to take a look at this edit request, since it's from a new account and was placed on a page on which you recently revdeleleted a few entries from, in case there are any other concerns. Thanks, –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive IP

Can you block this IP user - 2A02:C7F:7A4C:CE00:8BF:B0A9:BBA:B01E - as they are disrupting and vandalising an article over the same section of information in it. GUtt01 (talk) 22:07, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Looking--

2A02:C7F:7A4C:CE00:8BF:B0A9:BBA:B01E (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)-- Deepfriedokra   11:54, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

@GUtt01:Might want to talk the user. Might want to raise your concerns with them.-- Deepfriedokra 12:07, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft:Sanfine International Hospital / Submission decline

Hi, I have been AFK for a while, and logged back on to see my one page contribution had been rejected. I wanted to discuss and inform you addressing your reasoning.

Multiple (rules, looks like laws even) things all following the same theme that you had made up in your mind were used in your explanation, "blatant advertising" "needs to be fundamentally rewritten", "conflict of interest" "PAID", etc.

I am not affiliated with the hospital. It does seem you made up your mind that I am. Please prove that, me, the author of the article, is connected to the hospital. I was just trying to contribute a better, non-promotional looking hospital article, for people who are trying to find a hospital in Beijing.

If you were traveling or living abroad, wouldn't you like to be able to find a hospital where you are? My page was a contribution that puts a level of safety and trust in [Wikipedia], but your removal of my page takes away from that trust.

I will reference a page for you: wiki/List_of_hospitals_in_Beijing

This is where I started. That was the hospital I knew. I am an expat in Beijing, trying to contribute on a platform that recently got blocked here, but that many expats frequently use. Most of the other hospitals in the list are written much more promotionally, please check them. They all have warnings, YET they still stand. But mine was written and edited many times and I followed the feedback I received, I got rid of the more promotional items. And my page was declined. Please tell me why the others are not deleted as well. I focused heavily on the references being from outside sources. It looks more like other hospitals PAID Wikipedia.

I do think it's a double standard that you have contributed to with your decision. I also think that it is edits like this that turn away editors and further harms the reliability of the platform. The message you send is that hospitals are not notable. Your response to that will be just that this hospital is not notable, but I would like you to check your ethnocentrism.

Comment added by Wnkwdy (talk

@Wnkwdy: My deletion notice was about the content. Please read and heed the information on how to write a non promotional page. Certainly, from reading the page, it bears some of the attributes of conflict of interest and paid editing. If you do not have a conflict of interest and do no meet WP:PAID then there Is nothing you need do. I was merely informing you of the need for you to comply with Wikipedia's rules if you are. Sorry if asking you to comply with the same rules we all are to follow upset you.

Wikipedia is not a travel guide for one to find a hospital near where someone is traveling. I cannot help if other promotional pages exist. That is no reason to add more. The AfC reviewer tagged it as promotional and I deleted it as such. If you feel that was done in error, please seek restoration at WP:DRV.

Sorry you think I'm ethnocentric. How do you know what my ethnic center is? Where do you think it lies? No, looking at the thing again, you really need to remove the promotional language before you try again. Did you follow the informational links? They are there to help you write in a non promotional manner

I'm one of the few admins who explains why I deleted a page and offers advice on how to avoid deletion Sorry you find this unhelpful. Removing promotional pages does, actually, not hurt Wikipedia's reliability.. My first creation was deleted too. It's harder than people think. Perhaps, if you wish to help build Wikipedia, you could start with small improvements, gain experience, and grow into editing. Cheers, -- Deepfriedokra 17:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

A survey to improve the community consultation outreach process

Hello!

The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking to improve the community consultation outreach process for Foundation policies, and we are interested in why you didn't participate in a recent consultation that followed a community discussion you’ve been part of.

Please fill out this short survey to help us improve our community consultation process for the future. It should only take about three minutes.

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Thank you for your participation, Kbrown (WMF) 10:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kbrown (WMF): I think the Foundation should concentrate on fundraising to provide the servers and other support to host Wikipedia and let the individual projects set policies.-- Deepfriedokra 12:48, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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Milorad Dodik

Thanx for quick, efficient and thorough response to my request. More than I asked for, and rightly so. However, the RevDel operation could be continued further back to October 15, including the edit of 17 Oct 17:11, which actually was allowed to stay for three full weeks. Regards! --T*U (talk) 14:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done15:06, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Urgent Help - Editor pestering me

I got an editor pestering me. I've been reverting a number of edits they made on an article, because they were both unhelpful and not constructive; I think they were also using an IP to do the same thing before using their registered user. I tried advising them to be careful, but after blanking the message I sent to their user's talk page, I am now getting them starting to send a ridiculous message, and putting it back in when I keep removing it, because of hjow silly and stupid it is, to the point they are now becoming a nuisance. Can you do me two things, please?

1. Can you put my User Page and Talk Page under edit-confirmation protection for a few months? I want to avoid having someone harassing me like this.
2. Can you warn the user not to proceed in this manner, unless you feel his actions justify a suspension?

Please help me! I have done nothing to justify this treatment! GUtt01 (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

@GUtt01: We usually don't protect user talk pages, and the alt means of communication required doesn't really help. However, the user in question has been blocked. If they return, we can block their sock on sight.-- Deepfriedokra 12:43, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy Vanishing

I'd like to vanish my account, but my account has to be in good standing and the TBAN affects that. Could you assist me with getting the TBAN lifted so my account is eligible for courtesy vanishing? Iistal (talk) 23:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Mulling. I would think it is too soon to contemplate removing the topic ban in the context of vanishing.-- Deepfriedokra 12:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

I will not be coming back to WP after the year's end, which is why I want to do this now. I hope you comply. If not, would it be possible to arrange it in advance so that the courtesy vanishing happens automatically once the TBAN is over? Any action on my part must be done within the next month. Iistal (talk) 23:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra: Perhaps I should request this on one of the noticeboards? Your advice would be appreciated. Iistal (talk) 01:39, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

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Epstein didn't kill himself

Hi Deepfriedokra

Can you give us more explanation why you protected this page? You said, "Talk it out". Well, we are talking. There is an RfC and a merge proposal etc.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

@Jack Upland: Looked like several experienced users (people I have known over the years and I was surprised) were edit warring. If the protection is not needed I can remove it.-- Deepfriedokra 10:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Maybe it is needed. I'm not sure.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:13, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Copyrights

Can you resolve the problem of copyright violations at Indo-Scythians (a page you protected recently)? Evidence is at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2019 November 28. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 07:11, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

@Harmanprtjhj: Hello, unless you have specific dif's for me to revdel, it'd be best to leave the sifting to Diannaa and MER-C.-- Deepfriedokra 12:17, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Nitasha Kaul moved to bottom

Hello I don't know how to contact you regarding this issue since you are administrator this page nitasha kaul Iam contacting she holds British citizen ship why her Wikipedia page showing as an Indian citizen ??? Bkr3da (talk) 14:06, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bkr3da: Thanks for your note. I do not know. You need to discuss the article's content with other editors of that page, bearing in mind that all content must be cited from reliable sources that are unconnected with the subject and have a reputation for fact checking."

Hello could you please add my profile to editing nitasha kaul profile I do have proper proof that she is a British citizen through data obtained through Freedom of information act UK from her university Westminster.Plublication of the data obtained requires only one more copyright wavier .Hope you will add my profile to edit her infos Bkr3da (talk) 04:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bkr3da:There is no such list, and I see you have edited the page. Once again, do please discuss your wants and desires for this page on its talk page. Oh, that is not a "profile". We don't have profiles, it is an encyclopedia article.-- Deepfriedokra 12:50, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

orphaned revdel request

Resolved

 – — Vaibhavafro ^💬 07:41, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Can you delete the orphaned versions of this file? It's been a long time and no one has showed up (that's why I am asking). Best,— Vaibhavafro ^💬 03:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done-- Deepfriedokra 03:16, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh no no. I said orphaned versions (from File history). That file was being used in Operation X: The Untold Story of India's Covert Naval War in East Pakistan. :-) — Vaibhavafro ^💬 03:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I'd better just leave it alone.-- Deepfriedokra 03:24, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay. I'll ask someone else. Best,— Vaibhavafro ^💬 03:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

An admin has  Done it.— Vaibhavafro ^💬 07:41, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Re this. Maybe I'm just feeling sentimental but I don't think I have ever properly thanked you or any of the other admins who helped me so much when I was new. I started editing because of an Edit-A-Thon but it was run by people who edit maybe, once or twice a week. It was you, and a few others, who really made editing this encyclopedia worthwhile. So thank you . HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

User:SavageKillZa/vector.js

Can this be deleted too? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

yes.-- Deepfriedokra 13:17, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:John Nicolson#2015 General Elections and Page Protection

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User subpage protection request

Hello Deepfriedokra, hope all is well. I was wondering if it would be possible to fully protect User:LuK3/Committed Identity according to WP:UPROT? Myself, in addition to anyone else, needs to edit it. -- LuK3 (Talk) 17:29, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true. No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well DMarnetteD|Talk 02:27, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

User talk:Yogattcscholarships

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 10:19, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!

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Livi Zheng

Hi Deepfriedokra. This was the original page title of the hoax. Currently it redirects to the film Brush with Danger. Can admins protect the original title to deter recreation of the hoax? Someone already tried to move the hoax back to mainspace. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Given the intensity of the disruption, I think the extended confirmed makes sense. Opinions may vary, and anyone who disagrees can challenge or revert. But the goal is to stop the disruption.-- Deepfriedokra 18:30, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

51.37.213.46

Could you please block user:51.37.213.46 and user:Wikipeepdontcreep for vandalism ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

just to let you know

Hey! Saw your comment on FayeCFountain's talk page. Just to let you know that the user is part of a cross-wiki userpage spam "team", so reminding them is not really necessary as it is a throw away account. If this is within the sysop policy, kindly ignore the above. Thank you :) Minorax (talk) 14:47, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@Minorax: Thanks, that's good to know. I'm one of the few to try to educate users. I do it as part of WP:ADMINACCT. Perhaps we can get em globally bolcked?-- Deepfriedokra 15:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I doubt there's anybody at the other end who cares to be educated. It's one of several streams of spambot accounts that appear on a daily basis. If you look at edit filter 499's hits, you'll see the torrents of bot-generated spam accounts, which follow an obvious format once you've seen a few. Acroterion (talk) 15:51, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Reported right after tagging the page (meta:Special:Diff/19660152). Minorax (talk) 15:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

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Deletion of HomeX

Hi there, deepfriedokra! I wanted to reach out with regards to a page that you nominated for speedy deletion. I have reviewed the criteria which you identified as being grounds for speedy deletion, and I would appreciate the opportunity to review the content and make edits accordingly to ensure that it fits within Wikipedia's standards. I apologize for the issue. I hope that I might be able to return the page to my userspace in order to update the page according to the issues you identified. Thank you, and happy holidays! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mciffone (talk • contribs) 15:49, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@Mciffone: I will restore and move to Draft: HomeX where you can work on it in relative peace. I will reduce to a minimal stub to avoid problems wit promotional writing. You can then submit for review by the WP:AfC reviewers. It will need to meet the notability requirements for companies, WP:CORP. In essence, subjects of articles must meet notability guidelines with reliable sources which are unconnected with the subject and which provide verifiable information. Someone unconnected with the subject needs to have written a great deal about the subject. Company user pages do not meet these requirements. Hope this helps.-- Deepfriedokra 16:09, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you :)

Hi, just wanted to say thank you for your help with Patrick Fiori's article. I'm still new to requesting stuff like that, so I didn't realize it would mean doing more than I originally intended. I guess I just got a little desperate to keep the page from being changed so much that I didn't think things through a little better. Again, thank you so much! :) Hajiru (talk) 16:21, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks again, and I want to present this barnstar as a token of my appreciation for you kindness, good work, and great help. Have a Merry Christmas! Hajiru (talk) 16:24, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Home Alone (franchise)

I ask you to please further review your changes to Home Alone (franchise) and the Talk page discussion too please.

I know Anon IP editors have a bad reputation and are often to blame but in this case I am the one who was restoring the STATUSQUO and User:DisneyMetalhead is claiming he can make exceptions to WP:USERGENERATED and add unreliable information such as Audience score from IMDB (and others) to a film franchise article.

If you look at the article from a week ago, a month, ago and a year ago you will see that status quo did not include the changes User:DisneyMetalhead made to article. Reverting to his version was not the neutral position.

If you look at the edit history you will see that the changes made by User:DisneyMetalhead were first reverted not by me but by another user User:Prefall for ignoring WP:UGC. It was only after User:DisneyMetalhead repeated the same edit that I reverted and asked him to discuss and I started the talk page discussion. He only belatedly responded to with more assertions that he is allowed to make exceptions because.

If you disagree with WP:USERGENERATED and think that there is good reason to make an exception and include unreliable sources such as IMDB polls in the Home Alone (franchise) article then please do add your comments to the talk page discussion but User:DisneyMetalhead wants to ignore that rule, and I am asking for him to discuss first and establish that he at least has someone else say they agree with him before he does so. I don't think I'm asking very much by expecting him to follow WP:BRD if he wants to break WP:UGC. -- 109.79.165.65 (talk) 19:34, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I've protected the page to prevent the disruptive edit warring. I have no opinion on the article's content. I do not wish to become involved in y'all's disagreements. Please discuss the content issues on the talk page. Contact WP:dispute resolution if no agreement possible. Thanks,-- Deepfriedokra 00:20, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

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1979 macca seige

Who is Major Ahsan iqbal of pak SSG?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.63.3.108 (talk • contribs)

OK, I give up. Who is Major Ahsan iqbal of pak SSG? There is a lyrical response that comes to mind. (back to bed for me.)-- Deepfriedokra 16:50, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

3rd Battalion, 6th Marines - page protection

Hi Deepfriedokra, you protected this page for a couple days but the disruption has started again. Could you please protect it again, perhaps for a week or so this time? I also have a request at RFPP but thought it was worth a try here too given the activity. S0091 (talk) 20:16, 26 December 2019 (UTC)  Done-- Deepfriedokra 20:28, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and happy holidays! S0091 (talk) 20:33, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Joegelman

Thanks. Their reply is illuminating. Doug Weller talk 05:56, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Sheesh. Paging M Camus. M. Albert Camus, your tableau is waiting.-- Deepfriedokra 09:49, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Dabangg 3 pending changes

Hey there, would you mind terribly if I bumped up the protection at Dabangg 3 from pending change to semi? I typically find that semi-protecting high-profile Indian films in the first three weeks tends to stall a lot of disruption and doesn't require much of the community's time. Regards and happy new year, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:17, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Certainly.-- Deepfriedokra 15:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

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SHA

@RoySmith:SHA refers to the hash used to create a committed identity. Some say that SHA's can be back engineered.-- Deepfriedokra 01:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I'm familiar with SHA in that context, I just didn't recognize the usage. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:31, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

@RoySmith: How'd you come across that page anyway?-- Deepfriedokra 02:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't remember the exact chain, but it started with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Эльбрус Казбекович/Archive. I had some questions about an IP block, started searching the block log around a particular date, and I think I stumbled upon it from there. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:09, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

LaShawn Daniels Protection

Hello,

I noticed your response in regards to my request to protect the LaShawn Daniels wikipedia page. Would the "Biographies of living persons" page apply to LaShawn Daniels considering he is deceased? I have noticed that there has already been false information provided on his wikipedia page and that someone has recently deleted a large portion of information from his page. To preserve the integrity of the person he was and promote the goal of an encyclopedia, which is to provide accurate information, it appears that the best way to ensure both is to protect this page in some capacity. While full protection might not be possible, is there another form of protection that would be applicable given the nature of who he was (a high-profile, songwriter in the music industry) and the nature of the circumstances (the page being needlessly edited multiple times)? Okramber (talk) 02:31, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

@Okramber: I think so-- newly dead. This is an editorial dispute with you being in the position of having an external conflict of interest. You should bring up problems with content and sourcing on the talk page, WP:BLP, and then seek WP:dispute resolution. WP:BLP is the best tool available to you as it demands the highest quality sourcing, Also, you mention children and dates of birth. We should not include children's names and date of births to protect their privacy and to prevent identity theft, unless these are covered in strong reliable sources.Not public records. If the news media have covered their names and dates of birth already, that cat's out of the bag already. There's more, but I need to go back to bed. I will look at the page and watclhist it Thursday, when I'm back. Be sure to address your concerns on the article talk page. That's the starting point from which you can proceed.-- Deepfriedokra 19:12, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Can I pick your brain about this?

In asking for guidance, I am pointedly not seeking for your commentary on the article in question, The Mandalorian. Not sure if you are a watcher, or even a Star Wars fan, but in the season of the finale, the Bad Guy escapes his crashed ship by cutting a hole in the hull of the ship with a a weird-looking black sword with a white outline. I thought it reminded me of Stormbringer, the evil sword from Michael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone series of books. Or maybe a vibroblade or something.
Apparently, there is a unique thing that looks like this in the Star Wars universe, called the Darksaber. That said, it wasn't identified within the episode (the primary source). It wasn't identified via anyone associated with the series (cast crew, studio, etc.). Some reviewers suggested it was such, which is what editors wanting to identify the sword have glommed onto, and think that avalanching a consensus is going to trump Synthesis. They are taking fan information from several different movies and series and extrapolating that the unidentified item they say is this thing. Without the primary source identifying it as such.
Now, I don't mind if someone writes an article about the episode and notes what the sources are saying, but - until someone associated with the series says so - it can't be in an article about the series, and especially not in an edit summary.
My problem now is that the other editors in the article are saying that, because the sources suggest it is this Darksaber thingie, it isn't Synthesis at all. Furthermore, consensus will determine whether it should be in the article, OR and SYN be damned.
Thoughts? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:40, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't think consensus trumps policy. This is an encyclopedia-- not a fan site. I saw the post at AN. Unless an admin determines consensus, no one can say, "we out-voted you. Consensus is ours". Consensus is not a vote. Hopefully, some AN regulars will opine. In the end, you might need to say, "can't 'em all, even when your right" and let them have there wway. Sorry, I'm fr bed.-- Deepfriedokra 19:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Believe me, I've had my share of those 'can't win 'em all' situations as well, most recently trying to point out that the DC Universe and the DC Extended universe are not interchangeable terms (it was a back-and-forth about Reeves' 2021 Batman film being part of the DCEU). I had to concede, as fighting interpretation is often like trying to grab a handful of smoke. Happy New Years. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:09, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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