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Discretionary sanctions topic area changes

In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.

The topics proposed for revocation are:

• Senkaku islands
• Waldorf education
• Ancient Egyptian race controversy
• Scientology
• Landmark worldwide

The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:

• India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan
• Armenia/Azerbaijan

Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.

Community feedback is invited and welcome at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions. --Barkeep49 (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Criminalization of homosexuality

On 28 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Criminalization of homosexuality, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in Africa, the criminalization of homosexuality was a colonial imposition and the decriminalization of homosexuality is resisted as a neocolonial imposition? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Criminalization of homosexuality. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Criminalization of homosexuality), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Incredible writing and research, thank you so much. You will change lives with this article. No Swan So Fine (talk) 00:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Special Barnstar award

		The Special Barnstar
		You are awarded this special barnstar for your perspicacity in finding important LGBT-related topics that have been overlooked, and filling the gap with new articles, such as your recent creation and development of Acquired homosexuality, Criminalization of homosexuality, First homosexual movement and many others, as well as for major contributions to existing articles. Some people think that with 6,914,104 encyclopedia articles already published, there's nothing left to do here, but you keep proving them wrong; keep up the good work! Mathglot (talk) 00:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sayfo

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sayfo you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jens Lallensack -- Jens Lallensack (talk) 12:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

"Chemnitz-Siegmar" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Chemnitz-Siegmar and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 28#Chemnitz-Siegmar until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hildeoc (talk) 16:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Pākehā settlers RM

Hi Buidhe,

I just wanted to ask about your close; specifically, why you listed it as "no consensus"? While those opposing did outnumber the supporters, it appears that their arguments failed to address why the MOS:COMMONALITY exception to their MOS:ENGVAR argument shouldn't apply, suggesting that it should be closed as "moved" or, failing that, relisted. BilledMammal (talk) 02:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, I'll relist it. (t · c) buidhe 02:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you BilledMammal (talk) 02:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:Member states of the Council of Europe

Hi!

I don't understand the reasons for your recent removal of the category from several articles. Could you please explain it to me? Sjö (talk) 09:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

All member states of the EU are member states of the Council of Europe. Being a member of the latter is required to join the former. Per categorization rules, an article should not be in both a category and it subcategory. Not to mention, it is doubtful that membership in the council of Europe is WP:DEFINING for European Union member states. (t · c) buidhe 09:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Clonmacnoise

Sorry I got cranky yesterday; you might have noticed arty people are very particular about images, but want to say that your review has been beneficial and is appreciated. Ceoil (talk) 14:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

No worries. (t · c) buidhe 18:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Quick question

Apologies for this random request, but could you please check the licencing of File:1952 Eisenhower Political Ad - I Like Ike - Presidential Campaign Ad.webm. If all good, I'll try to take it to the main page through TFA! Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:15, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

If you're confident that this video shows the entire ad and that there's no copyright license, the licensing is correct. It would be cool to have other media besides a photo at TFA. (t · c) buidhe 19:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

As far as I know, it is. And it would indeed be nice to see a video at TFA, have nominated it. Thanks a lot for your help! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Double genocide theory

I missed this discussion, but I did see this edit, which is very questionable in light of the discussion I saw and the sources you provided. Should that be reverted? May the sources you posted by added for that specific statement? Thank you. Davide King (talk) 20:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Davide King, I think it matters exactly how it's phrased because elements of double genocide theory are arguably partly accepted in the EU, for example Black Ribbon Day, but the idea of an exact equivalence between Stalinism and Nazism is more of a fringe idea. I would support rewording the sentence you linked based on the sources I provided on the talk page of the double genocide page. (t · c) buidhe 20:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

First of all, thank you so much for your reply and sorry about the length. Second of all, I agree on your summary and I think that Comparison of Nazism and Stalinism would greately improve from your contributions through secondary and tertiary sources rather than attempting to prove the thesis. As for the edit in question, this is the context:

"The 2008 documentary film The Soviet Story, ... While in Latvia, the term genocide is widely used to refer to forced population transfer in the Soviet Union, this classification as genocide is still being debated in the academic literature. This theory is popular in Eastern European countries and the Baltic states, and their approaches of history have been incorporated in the European Union agenda, among them the Prague Declaration and the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism, proclaimed by the European Parliament in August 2008 and endorsed by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) in July 2009; it is officially known as the Black Ribbon Day in some countries, including Canada."

The part about the Baltic states have been totally removed and now only says: "The Eastern European approaches of history have been incorporated in the European Union agenda." Should it simply be reverted back whilst adding your refs and put them after "and the Baltic states,"? On a related note, discussion of the Black Book and memory politics, including the double genocide, have been removed by Soviet and Communist studies, which is absurd to me.12 Finally, it seems like Mass killings under communist regimes may be turned into what you, TFD, and I proposed as "Victims of Communism" (I would avoid changing the name to that for now because it is likely not going to gain consensus due to lack of understanding about the literature but that is essentially the chosen structure) and I think that your help would be very welcome, in particular for sourcing. If we do not move forward, I am afraid AE will be the only ways, and I would like to avoid that. Davide King (talk) 02:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

The Baltic states are part of Eastern Europe. But this sentence is too broad and ignores different approaches to this history. There are different views within European countries and the European Union so the statement is reductive. For example, the Prague Declaration never mentions genocide, so adopting it does not signify acceptance of the double genocide theory, so I'd say the sentence is misleading and should be rewritten. (t · c) buidhe 03:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe Katz and Zuroff explicitily cited the Prague Declaration as an example of double genocide (even without using 'genocide'). In regards to this, I put them as 'Further reading' precisely because they were mostly opinion pieces, even if by respected journalists or scholars, but they could still be useful; and I thought that Zuroff was within the context of what Katz and the others cited. In general, I took them from a previous version that was more similar to the current version, before it was turned to include Rwanda and then re-restructured by you, and I thought they would be fine. Sorry about that. Davide King (talk) 08:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Gay men & Male Expendibility

Hey I don't suppose you could elaborate on why you removed that section. Who is RS? Tiggy The Terrible (talk) 15:54, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Look at Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany. There is absolutely nothing in the specialist literature that supports the assertion that homosexual men were targeted because of "male expendability". In fact, arguably it was the opposite reason since Nazis believed that homosexuality in men would prevent reproduction and lead to the destruction of Germany. (t · c) buidhe 19:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia

The article The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:21, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey, great work on this, very fitting to have noticed this on memorial day. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 18:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Howl

Hello - thanks for addressing the Howl RM, but would you mind revisiting? Your close said that the !supporters had stronger policy arguments, namely that pageviews is only one aspect of primarytopic - which is true. However, the !opposers said that the poem had both more pageviews and long-term significance. That seems equally if not more grounded in WP policy. I'd appreciate your consideration - thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 18:01, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Correct, that was indeed one argument made, but as far as I can tell, the only evidence cited in support of the long-term significance was pageviews. With such a lopsided !vote count it would be difficult to close any other way. (t · c) buidhe 19:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I see several non-pageview pieces of evidence from me and others in support of long-term significance: "And as an iconic 20th-century work of literature, it has plenty of long-term significance as well." "the poem is famous and influential" "The poem is extremely significant for both an era and the evolution of literature." "I'd argue that the poem is of such cultural and era-defining impact that it has that longterm significance". Also, the recent !votes were trending the other way - four of the last six were !opposes. Dohn joe (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

It is not concrete evidence to assert in effect that it's important because it's important. I am judging based on the entire discussion rather than the latest comments. (t · c) buidhe 03:39, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

By that logic, there was no concrete evidence presented that the animal sound has long-term significance either. As a matter of fact, most of the !supporters, including the nom, had zero to minimal actual argument or evidence. Would you consider reopening the RM for further discussion? Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Declining requests

Hi Buidhe, thanks for paying attention to the Requests page; it's good to have someone else checking requests there. We normally mark questionable requests with {{on hold}} and open a discussion at the Requests talk page; there may be reasons the requests should stay and other editors may object the their removal. In this case, an IP editor removed the requests; I'm assuming it's the same person (I'll geolocate to check the likelihood) so I've restored the requests for now and marked them {{withdrawn}} for archiving here. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, thanks! I'll keep that in mind in the future. (t · c) buidhe 23:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Allach

Hello Buidhe, could you have a look on this article? Allach concentration camp. It's a subcamp of Dachau concentration camp in Munich. I know, there's a lot to do... Best regards, --Treck08 (talk) 02:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yep, I know that article is a bit of a mess. But thank you so much Treck08 for your excellent maps! I wonder if you would mind uploading a version of File:Schema-Karte KZ Flossenbürg - map of concentration camp.png without labels in any language? That way someone else could easily add labels in a different language for use on other wikipedias. (t · c) buidhe 03:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

You are welcome. Please have a look at [1] – is this the way you meant? Or is it better without any label? (sorry for my bad english, I would be glad if you could give me precise corrections for the english maps, then I would correct/optimize the labels.) --Treck08 (talk) 15:37, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Treck08 Yes, File:Map_KZ-Aussenlager_Muenchen-Allach_-_without_labels.png is exactly what I was looking for.

On File:Map KZ-Aussenlager Muenchen-Allach - english.png (my German is not great so take these comments with a grain of salt):

• "accommodation SS" would better be phrased as "SS accommodation"
• "penal camp SS" is better translated as "punishment camp for the SS"
• I would change "residential camp BMW Ludwigsfeld" to "BMW Ludwigsfeld prisoner barracks" and "residential camp BMW Karlsfeld" to "BMW Karlsfeld prisoner barracks". I know that "residential camp" refers to the place where concentration camp prisoners were imprisoned overnight, but not all readers will make that connection, so a phrase such as "prisoner barracks" would probably be clearer.
• On the right, you have "Munich–Allach sub camp of concentration camp" in large red letters, I would change this to "Munich–Allach subcamp".
• Above this there is the abbreviation O. T., I don't know what this means.
• See & Kieslager -> I am not sure what this means, but storing a lake seems like a mistranslation.

Thanks again for your maps! (t · c) buidhe 20:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

All your corrections are very welcome! Please let me know all the faults.

O. T. := Organisation Todt (now in the map).

german "See" = little lake, I'll try "pond", maybe that's better. "Kieslager" = "gravel storage" (I hope, gravel are the very very little stones, e. g. for pathways).

You can use my talk-section, too, if you want, e. g. for Kaufering and Flossenbürg (the empty maps are ready now, the corrections of Allach, too). Let me know, if you need less labels or something else. Treck08 (talk) 01:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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Move review for Howl (poem)

An editor has asked for a Move review of Howl (poem). Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Dohn joe (talk) 23:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Bund für Menschenrecht

On 4 February 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bund für Menschenrecht, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the League for Human Rights, established in Germany in the early 1920s, was the first mass organization for homosexuals? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bund für Menschenrecht. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bund für Menschenrecht), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to discussion: FAC 4 nomination of nonmetal

Please accept this note as an invitation to participate in the discussion of this latest FAC nomination for the nonmetal article.

The context is that you were involved in the FAC 3 discussion for the article (which was not prompted) or you are an editor who made a recent edit to the nonmetal article.

Thank you. Sandbh (talk) 07:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for participating in the WikiProject report! Cheers, and happy February! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 18:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Admin for Wikipedia?

There has been a lot of talk lately about the need of Admins on the English Wikipedia and seeing your contributions in content creation as well as clean ups make me feel that you'd be a very good candidate for becoming an admin. Since the last few nominations were not so successful I made my own conclusions and I thought about you and some others, too. Some might have approached you already but after having searched your talk page archive, I guess not in the open. Anyway, as to me you'd make a fine admin and I hope if you are nominated, you also accept the nomination. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:03, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence but I'm not really interested in being an admin. (t · c) buidhe 00:30, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Dubăsari Massacare

Maybe you interested to make a new article. I have learned from Hebrew article that Russian FSB revealed new documents [2] then I found this article in Russian [3] with link to FSB site [4]. Thanks for looking Shrike (talk) 07:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Röhm scandal

The article Röhm scandal you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Röhm scandal for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Usernameunique -- Usernameunique (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Röhm scandal

The article Röhm scandal you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Röhm scandal for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Usernameunique -- Usernameunique (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Promotion of Armenian genocide

Congratulations, Buidhe! The article you nominated, Armenian genocide, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) via FACBot (talk) 12:05, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Congrats Buidhe! An amazing accomplishment. DanCherek (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Congrats on the Armenian genocide FA!

It's amazing that you could summarize a broad-topic and controversial article so succulent. Hat off to you. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 03:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I also concur; this is a very difficult subject to attain such status. ZKang123 (talk) 06:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations on the FA, can't wait to see it on the main page. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 15:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Also want to add @Buidhe, TFA requests are now open for 1 April to 1 May. You can make a TFA request for the Armenian Genocide. Just a heads-up ZKang123 (talk) 01:30, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany

Hi Buidhe, I'll be taking this request carefully, considering its sombre topic. Feel free to correct me at any point; I'm aware I sometimes make mistakes in my editing. It will probably take me at least a week to complete this c/e. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 04:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much!! I really appreciate everything you do for the project. (t · c) buidhe 04:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I've now finished my copy-edit; please feel free to review my edits. I hope I've done justice to the article. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:57, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Peace?

Feel free to add your name to User:Boud/Draft:WikiProject Peace and do some related editing if you are interested. Boud (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Internet culture barnstar for Birds Aren't Real

		The Internet culture Barnstar
		I just went on a mini–emotional rollercoaster as follows: *Listening to The Daily episode on Birds Aren't Real* *Wonders if it has a Wikipedia article* *Realizes that this would make a fantastic DYK and starts getting excited* *Searches and sees there's already a Wikipedia article and starts getting a little nervous* *Goes to the article and sees it's too long for an easy 5x expansion and heart sinks* *Checks the talk page and sees you nominated it for a DYK which got a ton of views and is so relieved* So for saving us from the world in which Main Page visitors never got the chance to learn that Birds Aren't Real, I hereby present to you this barnstar. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 22:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK for The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia

On 10 February 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 250 Jews were imprisoned in a castle in Mladá Boleslav during the Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:02, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Category:Highly Cited Researchers

Hello, Buidhe,

Please do not tag categories for deletion until they have been emptied, either by yourself or a bot. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Which you just did, thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:54, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Jonathan Cooper (lawyer)

On 10 February 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jonathan Cooper (lawyer), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that British barrister Jonathan Cooper was "at the forefront of efforts to decriminalise homosexuality around the world"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jonathan Cooper (lawyer). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jonathan Cooper (lawyer)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:04, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

FAC talk archives

I'm not familiar with how the one-click archiver works but it looks like it needs the "archive" string to have a lower case A -- it created a parallel "Archive" archive. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

It looks ok to me; I'm not seeing the mistake? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

An, now I see, yes Mike is correct. The last archive should have gone to archive88, not Archive88; I will fix it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Weird, it looks like FAC talk archives are not set up in the usual way. Anyway, I fixed the problem. (t · c) buidhe 13:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, a long long time ago, we wanted to be able to have more manual control over archives, to make sure stuff ended up the right year, and sometimes with a label for ease of locating. It looks good now; I'm not sure if adding {{Archive basics}} pointing at the lower a will work; Archive basics has been wonky lately. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:01, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Baghdad Vilayet

I've finished moving the pages for this RM (permalink) you opened and was wondering if there was a reason you did not include Baghdad Vilayet? As far as I can tell it was the only vilayet not included in this RM. I'd be happy to move it as well if you intended to include it. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:00, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I intended to include them all but I must have missed this one. Thanks for closing the RM! (t · c) buidhe 01:24, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany

The article Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vaticidalprophet -- Vaticidalprophet (talk) 02:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hi Buidhe. I opened this CfD[5] some time ago. Although everyone voiced support, it hasn't been closed/implemented yet. Would you be willing to close it? Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 17:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

LouisAragon Unfortunately, CfD is the deletion process that tends to have the longest backlog. I can't close it because I participated in the discussion. (t · c) buidhe 02:47, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Please refrain from edit warring

You have based your edits on 0 sources and so base them on no substance beyond your own subjective opinion.

It is hilarious that you're trying to frame this as if I'm edit warring here. Step off your high horse (unwarranted completely, too) and take it to the Talk page of the article. Provide meaningful in-depth discussion or leave the case for more informed editors. LordParsifal (talk) 09:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@LordParsifal: I suggest you review MOS:LEAD. You're attempting to include content in the article lead that isn't in the article body. If you believe that content should be in the article, the proper place to add it is the body, before adding it to the lead. Elli (talk | contribs) 10:09, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

What isn't in the article body? I don't understand. The lead only talks of a high proportion of Jews. In the rest of the article we can find that of the 21 members of the Central Committee in 1917, 5 were Jewish. That's 24%. That is a high proportion compared to the 4% of Jews in the general population (Russian census of 1897). The antisemitic conspiracy theory is about the Jewish members of the Bolshevik Party forming a (Jewish) conspiration—an old trope. The fact of Jews being overrepresented in the Bolshevik Party is a fact, not the conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theory pertains to the motives, not the ethnic makeup. LordParsifal (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Image for Assassination of Talaat Pasha's TFA

Hey buidhe, I was looking at the image for Assassination of Talaat Pasha's TFA, and noticed that it's quite difficult to make out what the image is depicting when it is thumb-sized. Would it be OK if I asked a Wiki-image restorer, perhaps Adam Cuerden, to restore the image? If it is completed in time, I would ask that the image in the TFA and the article be swapped for the restored image. Z1720 (talk) 16:43, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Z1720, unfortunately the problems with this image are not really amenable to restoration (there is a great loss of information in the original, which cannot be fixed). I have uploaded a new version that is hopefully easier to see but I don't think much further improvement is possible. (t · c) buidhe 17:13, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

How about an image of Talaat Pasha, say this one instead? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Greek Genocide

Grats on your work on the Armenian and Assyrian genocides. Could an article on the Greek Genocide perhaps be in the works?--Catlemur (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Not likely, I doubt the editors who watch that page would allow an NPOV article to be written. (t · c) buidhe 18:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see. Give me a ping if you change your mind, there a couple of libraries in my area with books on the topic.--Catlemur (talk) 19:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

• AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
• The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Jewish Bolshevism

I have been involved with enough discussions of this type to know where it's going. The new editor keeps asking questions without ever getting the point. You cannot argue with people like that. TFD (talk) 03:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Paramilitary punishment attacks in Northern Ireland

Template:Paramilitary punishment attacks in Northern Ireland has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Nigej (talk) 13:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Curiosity

I was wondering if you are going to nominate either Armenian Genocide denial or Armenian Genocide for TFA, and then thought asking you would be better than speculating. I also noticed that both April 23 and 24 are still free at TFAN, and the rest of April is rapidly filling up. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Kevo327, I'd like to run the Armenian genocide article but it doesn't have a blurb yet and I haven't gotten around to writing one. (t · c) buidhe 21:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sayfo

Hello! Your submission of Sayfo at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Constantine ✍ 14:27, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Reopening Move Request on Witbank -> eMalahleni

Hello buidhe, I was wondering if you could reopen the move request for Witbank. Given recent discussions around the use of ngrams I believe the move request deserves further discussion. Just citing google search or ngrams without context is highly misleading and there was not rational given for closing the move request. I provided reliable, recently published English language sources that use the new name. While there were two Oppose votes, I believe it is not unfair to mention that those two users tend to follow me around for every single edit I make just to oppose it. Their opposition seems fairly vacuous. Desertambition (talk) 23:26, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Desertambition, the move request closed over a month ago and it was 2 oppose, 1 support. I think it's better not to assume that the other editors participating had malign motives. Instead, I suggest waiting a few months and starting a new request with additional evidence supporting the move, if there is any. (t · c) buidhe 23:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

That does not address the substance of the arguments at all. I do not mean to suggest that their intentions are entirely maligned. I feel like we need to look at the actual evidence to determine what the name is rather than a poll of two people, one which did not even provide thorough reasoning. Desertambition (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Torture

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Your GA nomination of Sayfo

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Your GA nomination of Sayfo

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DYK for Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany

On 23 February 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany (pictured) is considered to be the most severe persecution of LGBT people in history? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Geoff Young in Kentucky race

Geoff Young is running in Kentucky's Congressional 6th district race. You are experienced in articles on Kentucky, Can I get some help on this article?

Any suggestions that you have about the article? I want to make it notable. Year2040 (talk) 14:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Crimson (typeface)

Please specify what "coverage" or "independent and reliable sources" is required on Crimson (typeface), per your proposed deletion.

For the former, please specify the topics which you believe will improve the quality of the page. For the latter, all information on the page are factual and are supported by images. I will revise the page if your suggestions are concrete and constructive. Thunderbird2013 (talk) 23:27, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Thunderbird2013, I don't question the accuracy of the article but rather we have specific guidelines that need to be met in order to include an article in the encyclopedia. Generally, there would need to be multiple sources (such as reviews, for instance) that are independent of the typeface and discuss it. See WP:Notability. (t · c) buidhe 23:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Buidhe, thank you for your clarification. I agree that the scope of the page can be expanded, but I will object to the deletion for a number of reasons.

First, you are essentially suggesting the inclusion of subjective opinions on the page (in the forms of reviews or other people's "discussion" on the typeface, as you put it). When I created the page, I purposely keep the information as factual as possible, as I recognise that typography can be subjective and I believe biased opinions are not beneficial to the community. I further backed up any claim on its design with images, which provide more value to the readers than the opinions expressed by single individuals.

Second, digital typefaces are software and it is especially true for an open-source typeface such as Crimson. Hence, the most important sources of information on its design goals are software repositories such as GitHub and CTAN, which I have repeatedly cited on the page. Review-type information is welcomed, but is secondary (and, by definition, biased).

Third, with a few exceptions (e.g., Roboto), open-source typefaces are seldom formally reviewed, and are never academically studied and described in research outputs. What you suggested are not realistic or practical. Nevertheless, Crimson and its variant Crimson Pro are some of the most popular open source typefaces available, as such information about this typeface should clearly be documented on Wikipedia.

I thank you again for your feedback, but please flag sections as needing for expansion if you think that elaboration on their contents can be constructive. Thunderbird2013 (talk) 12:01, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Thunderbird, I apologize if I wasn't clear above but the problem with the article isn't its content. Rather, the encyclopedia does not cover any topic that exists; we can only cover topics that have been covered by independent sources, per WP:N. If you're telling me that no such sources exist, the article should be deleted. (t · c) buidhe 19:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

PD-text or not?

Hi! Sorry for this random message. I was concerned about File:Sirhan1.jpg and 2. It has been on Commons for around 14(!) years, licenced as {{PD-USGov-FBI}}. But, it is really not a work of FBI. FBI may have used it in its investigation, but that does not make it the author. Sirhan Sirhan is the author of the photographed work, who is (1) neither a FBI agent, (2) nor dead for 70 years. So, my question is, does Commons:Template:PD-text applies? It is more or less just handwriting. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that is above TOO. The only reason it might be ok is {{PD-US-no notice}}. (t · c) buidhe 18:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Kavyansh.Singh (t · c) buidhe 00:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

TOO is 'threshold of originality', right? As for PD-US-no notice, we'll need to prove that it was published during that time period without copyright notice. Because the year mentioned on the commons page is wrong. The books was published in 1978 [6], without a specific copyright notice for the image. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the jargon, TOO=threshold of originality. so PD-text would not apply. PD-US-no-notice may apply, but it's not clear to me; Nikkimaria probably knows. (t · c) buidhe 04:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Christianization

I just wanted to let you know that, I didn't want to, and didn't like it, and I grumbled the whole way, but I did what you asked and added an aftermath section. It annoys the stew out of me, but you may have been right. It makes the article so much longer, it should probably be deleted. :-) Anyway, I suppose I should say thank you. Wasn't that gracious of me? LOL! Thank you. I always appreciate your input even when I disagree. It's always fair. And there are not enough words for how much I value that - and you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

No worries, I'm glad my feedback helped improve the article. (t · c) buidhe 21:03, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Queen angelfish

Hi. I anything more needed? LittleJerry (talk) 13:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Wilhelm Fahrmbacher/GA1

Hello, Buidhe. Hope you're okay. I've seen that you have an interest in this article and I wondered if you might wish to add anything at the review I've just done? It is nowhere near the standard and I've applied immediate WP:GAFAIL. I haven't commented on stability because you raised concerns after it was nominated and I'm not certain if those were satisfactorily addressed. All the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

No Great Shaker I agree with the review and don't have anything to add. The article overall is underdeveloped which does not lend confidence that all aspects are covered adequately. (t · c) buidhe 20:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

New message from Jo-Jo Eumerus

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DYK nomination of Torture

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Your GA nomination of First homosexual movement

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Promotion of Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany

Congratulations, Buidhe! The article you nominated, Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Gog the Mild (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Your level of accomplishment is suspicious. Have you been gifted futuristic editing technology from an advanced alien race? Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 00:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I wish! (t · c) buidhe 00:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Million Award for Armenian genocide

	The Million Award
	For your contributions to bring Armenian genocide (estimated annual readership: 1,090,000) to Featured Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 01:09, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on this vital article! – Reidgreg (talk) 01:09, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

February songs

frozen

Thank you for that article, and FAC help for my joy - more on my talk - best wishes for 2022 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations not only for the FA below, but now also Röhm scandal, - please go ahead, word a blurb, as you know the article best. Dank and dying have been wonderfully open to suggestions from a nominator. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I stepped down at TFA in November, Gerda. I'm still available to help if someone asks, but I don't think it makes sense to say that I'm "open to suggestions", as if it's my call. - Dank (push to talk) 15:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

stand and sing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Denaturalization

Hello, would you please mind explaining why you've undid my edits to Denaturalization, seeing that I have already added the necessary references in the edited version? Is there a major objection on your side for my adding of the content itself, or would it be an issue with some of the content wording (in which case if you would please give your suggested improvements)? NoNews! 04:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Newfraferz87 If you are going to add content, it needs to be supported by reliable sources—ideally the scholarly sources which are in abundance for this topic, rather than news reports which don't necessarily show due weight. Your edit claims there are "many" ISIS brides that were denaturalized, but the ISIS brides article only refers to "dozens of girls and women". (t · c) buidhe 04:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Buidhe I'm afraid I don't quite understand your point, seeing that the sources that claimed the women were denaturalized are directly taken from the Brides of ISIL article which notes so. That's why I asked you the earlier question, as to whether you had problems with the content being added, or with the sources, or with my wording (in which case "many" as you've said, if I were to change it to, say, "several", that would render the sentence more accurate). I find it significant to include these cases of denaturalization so if you have any objections, I'd appreciate if you can point them out more directly. NoNews! 04:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Newfraferz87 Besides the failed verification issue, it seems WP:UNDUE and WP:RECENTISM to me to name individual ISIS brides or discuss a case involving the denaturalization of several people. There are many more notable denaturalized people who were for example emigrants from Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, Palestinians, Rohingya, etc. (t · c) buidhe 04:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Buidhe Ok I see that there's the phenomenon of people traveling to the Middle East to fight for the Islamic State group sentence, but that sentence itself is non-specific and uncited and doesn't have intra-wiki links about the people that got involved with ISIL, and were then denaturalized. Essentially you're saying that you don't agree with both (a) naming any individuals, and (b) Using non-scholarstic sources? Suppose if I find some new sources to expand on that point and add intra-wiki links to Brides of ISIL and/or List of Islamic State members, would that be suitable? NoNews! 05:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm wary of expanding that section of the article because, while the terrorism issue has gotten attention recently in the English-speaking world, it is a tiny percentage of overall denaturalizations. If there were an article about foreign fighters for the Islamic State, that would be reasonable to link, but a link is not essential. (t · c) buidhe 05:20, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay I see. I'll take note to find other relevant sections that I can first improve on then before (and if I decide to) return to this one. Thanks for your clarifications. NoNews! 05:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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Quarter Million Award for Torture

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Thanks for your work on this vital article! – Reidgreg (talk) 16:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For this TFA. JBchrch talk 19:53, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

A method for handling copyright cleanup

• use Earwig
• Open the article that needs to be cleaned
• Physically delete or edit the copyvios. each of them. IT;s pedantic but doable
• Save the edit
• Ask for a copyvio revdel. This is easier than you think, there is a tool, I think Enterprisey's

Hope that helps. The error of the lack of source url is not yours. It hit a lot of us. It's a bug. The more we spotted the more work we get to do now! Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:44, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Karl-Maria Kertbeny

Hello, Buidhe,

I don't know what is going on in this move but apparently this page is now redirected to itself. This has resulted in 8 other redirects to this page to be tagged for deletion. Is there an actual article any where in here? Thanks for any clarification you can offer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Fixed by redirecting to the correct page Karl Maria Kertbeny. (t · c) buidhe 01:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Much appreciated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Armenian genocide scheduled for TFA

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For Featured Articles promoted recently, there will be an existing blurb linked from the FAC talk page, which is likely to be transferred to the TFA page by a coordinator at some point.

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A barnstar for your efforts

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Giving alerts on my talk page

Hello, stop adding alert symbols on my talk pages. Any edit warring doesn't occured, its your contraption, might be mistaken. On case of so-called edit warring is necessary to fulfill rule of three-revert rule (3RR) which doesn't aply on this case at all. As I said in broather sence, removed factual information was removed in recent time by non-indicated edits. This cause in the infobox is although never to be sourced and if, then with notification with proper date, which may be taken in regard after sometimes even lot of time. Thank you --ThecentreCZ (talk) 06:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Czech Republic

Just a heads-up: a discussion which you previously participated in was quiescent for a while, and has recently resumed at Talk:Czech Republic#Cutting the history in the lead. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Left considerations on Sayfo talk page

Hi Buidhe - Thank you for spending the past year and a half continually improving Sayfo. I'm deeply moved by all the time, effort and energy you've put into this article and that you were able to successfully petition to have it featured on the main page. Your work is like an answered prayer for the Assyrian community worldwide who at times feels like an unnoticed minority. I don't know what motivates you to do all of this, but I am grateful for you and your work, and pray for your health and happiness in life.

I wrote up A LOT of notes on the talk page. Please use your best judgement to consider what is discardable when making future edits. 2600:1010:B01F:8DDD:C041:93E0:F91B:32D3 (talk) 19:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Talaat Pasha

Hi Buidhe, I'm a new editor here. Can you please tell me where should I put that information in talaat pasha article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CBX4 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

• Hi CBX4, you may have noticed that there are 2 parts of an article. The first part (lead) is supposed to summarize the content that comes after the break. Talaat's masonic activity is actually already mentioned in the article in the section "Early activism": "Talaat was also a member of the Bektashi order and in 1903 joined the Salonica Freemason lodge Macedonia Risorta, using both channels for his activism." However, his masonic membership wasn't a particularly important aspect of his life, so there is not enough space to mention it in the lead. (t · c) buidhe 09:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Sayfo

Hi Buidhe - I just saw your note on Sayfo's talk page. Were you done deciding on all the considerations, or were you still planning on spending more time on it? I was going to continue the conversation on the talk page but I didn't want to until you had a chance to conclude. 2600:1010:B01F:8DDD:40C0:7D9:751A:B53D (talk) 11:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Tu quoque

I noticed you removed a section from Tu quoque, added by an editor who is not me. I have restored the section because your removal was unexplained. If you still wish to delete the content, let's go to the talk page. MarshallKe (talk) 12:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

MarshallKe This content is not about the fallacy but instead about the Tu quoque defense, to where the content was moved. I apologize for the lack of clarity in edit summary. (t · c) buidhe 13:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)