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Rivignano Teor

Hi :) For first, sorry for my bad English, it was just a attempt.
For second, Rivignano Teor is a new city, born for merging of Rivignano and Teor, in Italian and Lombard wiki we have an article, are here enough the two article of old city?
Cheers. Sciking (talk) 12:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Sciking. This will require more than just creating a new article. The two existing articles will need modifications and possibly merged into one. Magioladitis, do you know of any Italian speakers who could help? Bgwhite (talk) 20:46, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Bot wrongly added period between comma and reference

Hi, I just wanted to inform you that your bot, BG19bot incorrectly added a period between a comma and the reference following it in Girl Meets World. It was already correct before the fix. Adding a period there made no sense, so I reverted it. nyuszika7h (talk) 17:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Nyuszika7H The bot didn't add a period. Per the edit summary, punctuation marks do not go directly after references. The bot moved the period from after the ref to before. The comma being there in the first place was incorrect as commas do not end sentences. Bgwhite (talk) 20:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I got a bit confused there. nyuszika7h (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Nyuszika7H No problem. I'm personally in a constant state of confusion. :) Bgwhite (talk) 20:47, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Mike Honda Civilian Body Armor Section

Mylifeishard

Hello. You recently undid my updates to the Mike Honda page, specifically with regards to my added section on Civilian Body armor. Im assuming it was a mistake, and I have reverted back so that the section is there once again. I am now watching the page, so if there is a legitimate reason for removing that section, please do so and type in the reason. Mylifeishard (talk) 05:11, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Update: about 2 minutes after I wrote my response, you undid it. Your reasons were not adequate for removing the section I added. Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Mike_Honda. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you.. The sources are there in the section. If you dont like how I cite them, feel free to change that. Also, if you are Mike Honda or work for him, you are prohibited from editing that page. also, please make sure not to inject your own bias when making edits. Again, if you feel Im wrong I would encourage you to take it to wikipedia support. If you forgo that and just edit the page again, Ill send it to wikipedia support and they can decide. Mylifeishard (talk) 05:11, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

@Mylifeishard: I have changed the formatting of your edit to the Mike Honda article. The place to discuss whether the information is relevant for inclusion is Talk:Mike Honda#Attempt to Ban Body Armor, where other editors can also join the conversation. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

GoingBatty was able to fix the section by changing the external links to refs. He also removed my signature. That should fix it Mylifeishard (talk) 05:25, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Mylifeishard Thanks to Batty he fixed things I asked you today, but said you did nothing wrong. I reverted before you left a message. Don't ever leave a vandalism message on people who have been editing way longer than you. That is called tagging a veteran editor and is considered very rude. Bgwhite (talk) 05:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Closure

I don't think you meant to say Utcursch in this closure. He's one of our English speaking admins ;) —SpacemanSpiff 19:16, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

SpacemanSpiff Now if I could read English. Utcursch vs Chrishitch. They both end in "ch" so I was close :) Thank you for spotting it. Bgwhite (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

That username might have been created on purpose. You may want to check out a similar discussion at Talk:Sardarji joke‎. —SpacemanSpiff 19:33, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

@SpacemanSpiff, Utcursch, and Sitush: In some ways, this reminds me of the OccultZone disaster, using socks with differing language skills. I start looking for similarities, but it again reminds me of OccultZone analyzing the most minute detail to do SPI's. I do see patterns that they are the same person, but I don't know if I'm OccultZoning or not. Utcursch, you've dealt with both, what do you think? Tito, what do you also think and where in the world have you been? You are missed. Bgwhite (talk) 00:28, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

These pages are filled with socks but also a lot of meatpuppets recruited from forums and stuff, so a bit difficult to technically match technically.—SpacemanSpiff 03:05, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Move request

I tried to move a page, but was prevented due to technical reasons. I was hoping you could fix this. The page I am seeking to move is The Fader. I want to move it to The FADER, however this page redirects to The Fader. The reason for the move is to reflect the use of capital letters as used by the online magazine site. Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 23:28, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Mitchumch Done. One has to delete the redirect first and that can only be done by an admin. I really hate this trend of naming everything ALL CAPS, but that is just a pet peeve of mine. Bgwhite (talk) 00:11, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 00:13, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

@Bgwhite and Mitchumch: This should have been left at The Fader, see WP:TITLETM "Items in full or partial uppercase (such as Invader ZIM) should have standard capitalization (Invader Zim)". There's a lot in the article that goes against MOS:TM, and not just the ® symbol. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:52, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Destructive bots

I find Bots very destructive in general - for instance you have repeatedly destroyed tables on my articles, such as your recent edits to Taxonomy of Liliaceae. is there any way you can review the changes you make afterwards so that you can revert these problems?! --Michael Goodyear (talk) 16:05, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Michael Goodyear: Where you have a double exclamation mark in constructs like

! style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|Rank !! style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Bentham & Hooker system|Bentham and Hooker]] (1883){{sfn|Bentham|Hooker|1862–1883|loc=[http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/14690#page/309/mode/1up Vol III Part II Liliaceae pp. 748–836]}}!! style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Cronquist system|Cronquist]] (1981){{sfn|Cronquist|1981}} !! style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Takhtajan system|Takhtajan]] (1980){{sfn|Takhtadzhi︠a︡n|2009|loc=[http://books.google.ca/books?id=oumyfO-NHuUC&pg=PA634 Liliaceae p.&nbsp;634 ]}} !! style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Dahlgren system|Dahlgren]] (1985){{sfn|Dahlgren|Clifford|Yeo|1985|loc=[https://books.google.ca/books?id=3iGndTFY0skC&pg=PA112 Rasmussen F. N. Superorder Liliiflorae pp.&nbsp;107–274]}}{{sfn|Dahlgren|Clifford|Yeo|1985|loc=[http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-61663-1_11 Liliiflorae]}}!! style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Thorne system|Thorne]] (1992){{sfn|Thorne|1992}} !! style= "background: #ccf"|[[Angiosperm Phylogeny Group|APG]] (2003-9){{sfn|APG II|2003}}{{sfn|APG III|2009}}

use a double pipe || instead:

! style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|Rank || style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Bentham & Hooker system|Bentham and Hooker]] (1883){{sfn|Bentham|Hooker|1862–1883|loc=[http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/14690#page/309/mode/1up Vol III Part II Liliaceae pp. 748–836]}}|| style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Cronquist system|Cronquist]] (1981){{sfn|Cronquist|1981}} || style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Takhtajan system|Takhtajan]] (1980){{sfn|Takhtadzhi︠a︡n|2009|loc=[http://books.google.ca/books?id=oumyfO-NHuUC&pg=PA634 Liliaceae p.&nbsp;634 ]}} || style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Dahlgren system|Dahlgren]] (1985){{sfn|Dahlgren|Clifford|Yeo|1985|loc=[https://books.google.ca/books?id=3iGndTFY0skC&pg=PA112 Rasmussen F. N. Superorder Liliiflorae pp.&nbsp;107–274]}}{{sfn|Dahlgren|Clifford|Yeo|1985|loc=[http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-61663-1_11 Liliiflorae]}}|| style="border-right:solid black 2px;  background: #ccf"|[[Thorne system|Thorne]] (1992){{sfn|Thorne|1992}} || style= "background: #ccf"|[[Angiosperm Phylogeny Group|APG]] (2003-9){{sfn|APG II|2003}}{{sfn|APG III|2009}}

The very first exclamation mark serves to format all the other cells on the same line of Wiki markup. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Alfred Berengena

Hello, We arranged the article Alfred Berengena. Now you can remove the tag deleted? Thanks--Paputx (talk) 06:28, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One

Please move Star Wars Anthology Rogue One to Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 16:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Mount Wilson Observatory

Please check if your edit of 4:56 was not restored by your later edit. Between those edits, I reverted to my previous edit (before your 4:56) in order to remove changes in units of measurement from dual units to single metric units. I was trying to add back your first edits manually but then I saw you had made another edit. I am sorry for the disruption but I wanted to be sure that your first edits were restored with your second and I did not want to disrupt them further. Since you are using a bot, I assume it will be easier for you to go over this again with the bot and neither of us will have to make the changes manually. Thank you. Then I will need to look further at this to be sure the dual units are all there. Donner60 (talk) 05:28, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Donner60 No need to worry. I was just making corrections that I can do over any time. Do what you need to do. Bgwhite (talk) 05:36, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

My edits were a mistake, as it turned out. The user who made the previous changes explained this in his latest edit summary. I did not take into account that this was a science article which should use standard measures and simply was changing it back to the prior usage in the article. I apologized to the user for my mistake, as I now see it. Since that user has restored their original changes, I do not need to make any further changes. I messed this one up and am sorry for the disruption. At least it is being promptly rectified. Thanks for your patience. Donner60 (talk) 05:41, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Another user has commented on my talk page that my changes were in fact correct and should be restored. He notes this is not a science article but a history article about the observatory and its telescopes and metric measurements in fact should only be used as dual units. The telescopes are not referred to in metric units and were built before metric became standard. So after conceding, perhaps on the wrong basis, I am now called upon to reassess this. I left some advice for the new user who commented on my user page, including reference to pages that may contain help or may be forums to seek further comment or resolution. I don't want to trouble you with this but I wanted to let you know if you see this matter continuing you are aware of these further developments and are not surprised. I could write an explanation for the dual unit measurements based on this further perspective plus my original page reference, but because of my shift in position, I think I may need to call upon one or two persons to comment or mediate this. Also, due to visitors arriving, I may not have much time to resolve this for a few days. I think I put the matter on track with the further user and it can be progressed soon. Donner60 (talk) 08:41, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

The Big Badger Award

	The Badger Award
	'Honey' this is a badger and keeper Hafspajen (talk) 23:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Sock query

Hi Bg, I was responding to an ANI request here and I suspect the reported IP may be a sock of this IP dude, who you indeffed. I was hoping you could give me some more info about the 184.* vandal. Was this an LTA or somethin'? I'm trying to figure out how to deal with the 72.229.* user, so if there's a history, that would be useful knowledge to me. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:06, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

TB

Hello, Bgwhite. You have new messages at Hafspajen's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Hafspajen (talk) 16:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Would you like to write up the Hegassen scroll entry for this? We have to publish soon and still about 8 entries are unwritten, Twenty-eight Featured pictures,Four Featured lists and Fourteen Featured articles were promoted this week. That's a bit much. You MAY be funny. Hafspajen (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know about funny. I'll be offline for a few hours. I'll do it on my return. Thanks to you, I'll be thinking of fart jokes for awhile. Bgwhite (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Whoa, we publish in like ... 5 hours. Well, if we are ready . Hafspajen (talk) 18:23, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hafspajen Ok, I'll do it now. Bgwhite (talk) 18:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hafspajen Done. Change as needed. That is a cute puppy at the top of the page. Bgwhite (talk) 18:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Bless you my son. Hafspajen (talk) 18:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Pet Has been Given To You

	Myrtle Zaza Our Pet Award
	This is Myrtle Zaza the dog to keep us company, replaced on his post by a horrible Anchylosaur, needs a new home. Hafspajen (talk) 21:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Bhumihar

Hey, can you provide some insight at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#CIR_at_Bhumihar (or just block Chrishitch, I don't really care)? You closed this discussion (forgot your sig) but did anyone follow up? If the editor wasn't willing to respond reasonably, I don't know if you followed up on it or not or let it go or it settled somewhere else and Sitush seems offended that I ask him for some idea of what the hell happened there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Disruptive activity on Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood

The user 2001:470:2846:17F:4CD3:265B:D588:586A has been disruptive in his edits on Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood. He or she has reverted a couple of times the elimination of a poorly-worded edit that was not sourced. I was worried he or she might continue to revert the changes he or she disagrees with unless his or her activity is nipped in the bud. If you could keep an eye on that page for a few days and block this user if he or she continues the disruptive edits, it would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for looking into this. --Jgstokes (talk) 06:13, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Collegiate Gothic

I don't think you understand what I was doing on Collegiate Gothic. The footnotes were links to images on Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia of the buildings being discussed in the article. Is there a better way that I should have done this? Or were you mistaken? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Infobox updates

Hi, looking at this edit there is a problem in that the field should have a full timestamp as produced by inserting 5 tilde characters and not just a date. Similarly for the international goals parameter. Keith D (talk) 23:09, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Chevalier - 2015 movie

Dear Bgwhite there is a mistake circulating the internet regarding the latest film form Athina Rachel Tsangari due to a typo error in a Variety article on its premiere in the TiFF. Her latest film is called just CHEVALIER and NOT "Chevalier Athina"!. for the record review our companys web site (I am working in haos film Athina production company in Greece) and the international's sales agent's web page for the film http://www.haosfilm.com/en/works/films/chevalier/ http://www.the-match-factory.com/films/items/chevalier.html so please do not make any edit again thank you nikos (wiki user Nikos.smpiliris) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikos.smpiliris (talk • contribs) 12:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for acting so promptly. If it is the same and follows the pattern of in mid-June, then there will likely be more accounts promptly created. Who would have expected this among dog breed articles? I'd never heard of Ed Gein, so maybe I've at least learned something - although I'd don't know that I really wanted to know about him! SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:26, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Sagaciousphil Thanks should go to you for noticing. I knew of Gein and the movies/books that were inspired by him, but after reading his article, I wish I hadn't. Bgwhite (talk) 09:32, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I suspect there is another new Bruce2366 sock: Oraytt, who has only made three edits so far but was created a few days after the last lot of blocks were done, same sort of breed (Pit bull). The name is very similar to one already blocked, Orayht. Does it need another SPI? Or do we have to wait until it does cause problems here (which I'm certain it will eventually)? Or can we just ping Bbb23 to check it? Or should I not even be so presumptuous and so assuming of bad faith to even suspect it, let alone mention it? SagaciousPhil - Chat 17:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Sagaciousphil With several long-term socks, I always have the same issue. Is it real or is it my imagination? With what you already mentioned about Oraytt, there are two other things. 1) I looked up "Oraytt" on Google and Filipino results appear. Bruce2366 was also doing Filipino articles and Orayht also comes up with Filipino results. 2) Previous socks did death threats. Good faith goes out the door as I'll err on the side of those who have received the threats.

I've filled an SPI. This give a paper trail for the future. Bgwhite (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Chevalier - 2015 movie

Montemagno, Piedmont

Why did you remove the quote from page Montemagno, Piedmont?--Luca Ghio (talk) 21:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Luca Ghio A quote right at the beginning of the article shouldn't be there. It doesn't add anything. This is an encyclopedia. Bgwhite (talk) 21:15, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

The article was translated from Italian Wikipedia, where quotations at the beginning of the article are allowed. I know that every Wikipedia edition has its own rules and guidelines, however I couldn't find anything about this in guidelines on English Wikipedia. Can you write me a link to a page in guidelines where quotations at the beginning of the article are forbidden?--Luca Ghio (talk) 21:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Luca Ghio It's not the location as it can be moved down into the article. The main problems is it doesn't add anything. A poem like quote is nice, but it doesn't do anything. Doesn't add any information. How is it relevant to an encyclopedia? Bgwhite (talk) 21:45, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I am wondering why

you undid my recent edit at Barrow Area Information Database. Perhaps there was a better way to do it, but the Beaux Arts Institute of Design was the original BAID on wikipedia and I believe that some sort of redirect is needed. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Carptrash There are atleast four baids. The two you listed plus Baid and Chandan Mal Baid. Best way would be to create a disambiguous page for Baid and redirect BAID there too. Then add the {{for}} or similar template to your article. Bgwhite (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

@Carptrash and Bgwhite: I have taken the liberty of creating Baid (disambiguation). I'll be redirecting BAID after cleaning up links. —C.Fred (talk) 18:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks all. I never would have gotten it done. Carptrash (talk) 23:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for cleaning up Gary and Joanie McGuffin! I was meaning to get around to it, but it must've been tedious, even WITH AWB... so have a cookie! Westroopnerd (talk) 03:54, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Could you help me again please (I am too scared to even try!) - in the Parents section on the above page there is a link "Lady Bullock (nee Barbara Lupton)... can this link please go to the 20th Century section straightaway on the Lupton family page which discusses Lady Bullock - rather than to the top of the Lupton page as it does at the moment? I really don't know how to do this. thanks yet again. PS - Are the refs on page "Marquess of Lansdowne" OK?

Mike101.182.221.219 (talk) 11:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

False positive

See [1]. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 13:06, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Hm

Acryllium vulturinum Schönbrunn	Oh, my
	Wild animals in their natural Habbitat Hafspajen (talk) 23:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Bgwhite, if you need me to look at something, please notify me - I've unwatched this page because my watchlist is full of silly edits by Hafspajen. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Not that Bgwhite is LESS silly, if I might point out, Redrose64. He does the same things to my page, but OK, I will not post here any more, it is all yours. Hafspajen (talk) 14:57, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

A problem with your bot

On Joshua David Baird the account AWB-added a citation tag but with an old date (June 2013 I think). Can you check on date format you have on it? Thanks,--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 14:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Loriendrew The bot didn't add a citation tag and it didn't add a date. Bgwhite (talk) 17:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

(sorry, can't do diffs well on a tablet)... It added the following: {{More footnotes|date=June 2013}} with the hardcoded date.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 21:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Loriendrew It did not add that template. It just moved it to the top. "They" are trying out a new design for mobile. Info is here. Try the new diffs and if they still have problems, tell them. Bgwhite (talk) 21:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

absolutely right, I sit corrected. Sorry for the bother. Now I just need to find from where they cut/pasted the article.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 22:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Question

Hi my friend. I have a question. Is the below line grammatically correct?

Lie is very ugly and the worst defect of that is occasionally there has never been any other similar policy.

if not plz offer me something else. thanks a million Alborzagros (talk) 07:12, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Alborzagros Nope. I don't understand the sentence at all, so I can't offer something else. Are you translating it from somewhere else? Bgwhite (talk) 07:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for answer. Yes I translated it from Persian language. I think the sentence below is understandable and correct. isn't it?

Lie is very ugly but sometimes you can’t choose another policy. Alborzagros (talk) 09:08, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

thanks a million.

Affiliations parameter

Thank you for doing cleanup on comics characters infoboxes. I noticed that you have been removing a deprecated parameter called "affiliations". I would note that this is probably the same parameter as "alliances". I did a couple here and here to show you what I mean. 65.126.152.254 (talk) 22:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

65.126.152.254 Thank you for telling me. I switched to changing "affiliations" to "alliances". Bgwhite (talk) 22:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

I've filled an SPI. This give a paper trail for the future. Bgwhite (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Well

I guess, I am not wanted. Notify me if you want something. Hafspajen (talk) 13:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Hafspajen Can't believe I'm going to say this, but you are wanted. I enjoyed your pranks yesterday that it "forced" me to join in the festivities. Hey, I'm the offended one. You took down my lovely image. I haven't a clue who Gustav is. Fake or Fortune? is the most education I darn near got. Bgwhite (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Gustav Dore. Hafspajen (talk) 15:42, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit notice, Bghwhite, don't scare the psychic :). Hafspajen (talk) 17:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

However I did meant that you should write up some summaries, you were doing very well. You are outstanding in your field.Hafspajen (talk) 18:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Fishy indeed. Hafspajen (talk) 00:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

This user is a member of the Wikipedia Department of Fun.

"Man Down"

Could you check before you revert please? You actually added back from prose I removed per FAC suggestion and some typos that I corrected.. Thanks. — Calvin999 14:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

List of unrelegated association football clubs

The removal of blank lines by BG19bot, caused the list on the abovementioned page to undesirably split after a title. Tridek Sep (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Tridek Sep There isn't supposed to be multiple blank lines, especially when formatting that way. {{columns-list}} will form columns based on equal size. This is good for lists made up of individual lines. You should use {{col-begin}} template. With this template, you tell exactly where you want the columns to end/start. Bgwhite (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Roheet Singh (boxer) and Rohit Singh

Hello Bgwhite, can you please check the above two page names? In the past you had deleted Rohit Singh and this page was created six times (every-time deleted). Now the user created the page again under different spelling. I have marked the page for CSD. Can "Roheet Singh" be salted as well? Thanks Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:19, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Arun Kumar SINGH Page has been deleted with a liberal coating of salt. Bgwhite (talk) 05:26, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Bgwhite, some people just don't get the message and keep on wasting everyone's time. Thanks again for your time :-) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

<br> lists

Hi Bgwhite. In the future, please try to avoid creating lists using linebreaks, as you have done here, per WP:PLIST. Alakzi (talk) 10:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Carlisle Military School

Not at all sure what you recommend to do with the section "Alma Mater" you deleted. The article is about a school..so what is wrong with having a section providing the Al Mater? If you would explain what needs to be fixed to keep the Alma Mater in the article, please help. While I thought the centered photos were better placed, if this is not the standard that Wikipedia wants then I am ok with that as well as placement of "Further Reading". But please provide me more detailed instruction about fixing the Alma Mater portion of the article - I sincerely want to keep this as it is very relevant to the article on Carlisle. Better yet, please feel free to fix the actual Alma Mater section in order for it to remain part of the article rather than a deletion. Thank you. SandHills (talk) 02:09, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Additionally, at least for Zeigler - his accomplishments, per referenced material is notable. What is surprising is I was asked to provide "better" references than Wikipedia (due to the disclosure that Wikipedia is not considered in and of itself a good enough reference. Got me in a "Catch-22" here Bgwhite. Please realize Carlisle was a small school - and what both Ziegler (in a major college sport_ and Martin (higher education) is notable within that context. Please provide me some leeway on these two - or at least respond. So far on Wikipedia all editors have done is make arbitrary decisions - with absolutely no further explanation or reversal of their editorial actions, regardless of any rationale or argument I present. I have had photos deleted even though they were pre-1923 with no known copyright, and I simply asked what I needed to do to make a better explanation to repost those photos - I never recieved any answer. So please at least provide me some consideration for trying to make a good article, and provide some assistance when requested.SandHills (talk) 02:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

SandHills The athlete can stay in. The Prof shouldn't, but I won't remove it again if you add it. He did graduate from UGA, so he must be a smart guy :).

Songs are rarely used in articles about schools. One reason is they are usually copyrighted if created after 1927. Secondly, it doesn't add anything about the the school. You don't learn anything about the school. It's good for a website, but not an encyclopedia. There are articles on School's fight songs, but the song has to be notable. Bgwhite (talk) 08:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - a straightforward explanation is all I asked for, I understand and now appreciate your rationale. SandHills (talk) 17:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Balbir Singh 'Rang'

Exactly speaking he is dead.Xx236 (talk) 08:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Xx236 And it appears my brain is dead too. Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 08:05, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Named reference as punctuation?

Hi there, I noticed this edit in which BG19bot reordered a group of references. In particular, it moved two named references in front of the full reference, while leaving another two named references behind it. There's absolutely no problem with this edit, but I was curious -- is there a reason for preferring this order? Or are the named references somehow being interpreted as punctuation? Thanks. --Amble (talk) 15:39, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Amble It's part of AWB's general fixes. Usually, references go in numerical order or the order in which they appear in the article. Bgwhite (talk) 17:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense, thanks. I didn't notice that the two that moved were the ones that had already been cited in the previous paragraph. --Amble (talk) 17:35, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Discretionary sanction review

Can you review the DS I just imposed on User:Chrishitch, both in terms of procedure and the scope of the topic-ban? Abecedare (talk) 16:43, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Abecedare I haven't done a topic ban before, so my "on the record" response would be I don't know. Off the record, yes, it appears to be good. Chrishitch is unable to have a normal discussion, unable to listen to other people's point of views and degrades other editors. Their ramblings in discussions make it very hard or impossible to understand their point of view. If they don't change, they will be blocked. A topic ban is a good first step in hitting them with a clue stick. Bgwhite (talk) 17:36, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Bgwhite. I believe it is my first too. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

User talk:3B5r4en4t D4if344f4on

You may wish to consider blocking his access to the talk page as well ... --Cahk (talk) 21:40, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Cahk Already did. Boy, they were a fun one. Bgwhite (talk) 21:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

AWB cleanup

Thanks for your service in the infobox cleanup. Wanted to leave a quick note—when you're doing the rounds, can you process the image tags too? They should be the file name without the brackets, parameters, and "File:" I have some regex (somewhere, don't remember where) that can handle it if your script doesn't already do it – czar 21:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

CZAR I'd love to have the regex. I started off doing the images manually via AWB, but that was too slow. Your memory is still better than mine because I wouldn't have remembered I ever did regex. Bgwhite (talk) 21:53, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Voilà! – czar 21:54, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

CZAR Can you modify it to capture the size and caption fields? I'd rather not lose or manually type in the caption fields. This would also come in handy for Infobox Biography. Bgwhite (talk) 22:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

If you mean the parameters usually tacked on to the end of the image, I believe the regex currently throws them out as is. (That was on purpose because I removed them 90% of the time anyway—no need to repeat in a caption that it's cover art.) I'll poke around a bit, but regex isn't exactly my forte. (Like I don't know to make it detect whether a caption field already exists so as not to duplicate it.) I suggest throwing out the captions for the time being, and bothering me more if it's something you still really want? – czar 22:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

CZAR $9 is what comes after the image's file name. However, that includes the image size, caption or both. In the long run, it would be nice to do captions and image sizes. There are other infoboxes I'll be cleaning up. Bgwhite (talk) 22:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

kinda confused

can you talk a look at this guy. Not sure if he should be reported, and if reported where should the report go. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 06:59, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

FreeatlastChitchat Thank you for reporting it. Yea, they were here only to vandalize, so I blocked them. Bgwhite (talk) 07:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Teahouse discussion

Hi there. I don't believe we've ever interacted before. I'm just here to let you know there's a discussion at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#im not vandalizing any article. related to some reverts you've carried out. I think it's quite clear that the user is not a vandal, but a good faith newbie. I don't wish to become the civility police, but I think edit summaries like this are aggressive and have too much bite, even though the actual actions you've been carrying out (warning on user talk, reverting removal of content etc.) are perfectly justified. Anyway, that's just my opinion. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 08:46, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Bilorv I see you don't extend the same good faith to me. Yes I know about the discussion because I commented there. It now has DalexB's signature on it. I've also been dealing with them as an IP off and on for several months. They've yet to add a ref in any edit. This is the first time they've asked for help or responded on a talk page that I know of. Bgwhite (talk) 09:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I tried to extend as much good faith as I felt was necessary, and I rewrote that message several times to make it sound as nice as possible, although I apologize if you thought it was rude. I did consider the possibility that you'd interacted with this person somewhere else, but didn't think it was particularly likely (and I can't include 20 caveats in every message I send just in case one of them applies). I'm sorry for not realizing you had posted at the Teahouse because your signature isn't there. But all I saw was someone trying their hardest to write about a song and an admin coming down on them like a ton of bricks; sorry if there's wider context. Until I see more evidence, though, I'm still convinced this is someone trying to help. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 09:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the botfix

Forgot to include a reflist, and mine was the first citation on the LeVota article. Thanks for the fix. Activist (talk) 10:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Activist Thank you for the kind note. We all forget things around here, so don't worry about it. Bgwhite (talk) 23:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Error on Ibiza Airport

Seems like an error here, [2] on Ibiza Airport. RMS52 ^{Talk to me} 06:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC) RMS52 I don't see an error. First change shortened a wikilink and second change moved punctuation from after to before the ref. Do you have specifics on what you see wrong? Bgwhite (talk) 06:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, after he fixed that correctly, the sentence didn't make sense. RMS52 ^{Talk to me} 06:58, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Vuelta an Andalucía

Hi. I've just seen this edit to 2015 Vuelta a España. You introduced an error that I've seen a few tools making: changing "Vuelta a Andalucía" to "Vuelta an Andalucía". Obviously the latter is incorrect, as the phrase is in Spanish, and equally obviously this isn't a problem to fix in this one instance. I'm just wondering whether there might be a way to prevent this mistake cropping up again? Many thanks. Relentlessly (talk) 18:36, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Relentlessly That was my fault. I should have caught that. Normally with "weird" spelling, I'd recommend use {{not a typo}}. However, as this contains non-English words, I recommend using {{lang}}. For example {{lang|es|Vuelta a España}}. In theory, we should use that template on the majority of non-English words. For those using a screen reader (ie the blind), using the template will tell the screen reader to pronounce it "in Spanish". There are other reasons to use the template and they are found on the template's page. Bgwhite (talk) 20:54, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks: I'll try to use that in future. (Might be a bit dense with them in some cycling articles!) Relentlessly (talk) 21:06, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you yet again!!

Thanks again (!!) for updating the database dump lists for WP:FIX!! Must have read my mind (short story!) .. much appreciated! Sct72 (talk) 17:33, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for fixing the broken links on the page for the Baillie-PSW Primality Test

MathPerson (talk) 00:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Carol Jarvis

Thanks for helping edit the page I just submitted onto Wiki... I'm new to Wiki, so still learning how to do it all. Just trying to learn how to upload a profile photo for the Carol Jarvis page I've been working on..... I made the profile box, and have photos with permission from Carol to use, I just can't work it out!! Any tips? Marcoberdanto (talk) 01:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

an annoying editor you've had previous experience with...

Hello,

Do you remember MusicAngels? They're currently being a pain at one of my projects, Birdman, poorly adding to the article, then claiming by reverts are completely unjustified, even though I provided much detailed feedback!

As seen by this page, someone listed a notice, but MusicAngels deleted it, claiming that it was made for personal attacks! Since you've dealt with them before, would you minding helping me carry out the necessary admin stuff to stop them from being distruptive on my page?

Cheers,

Neuroxic (talk) 16:15, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

My edits have requested that Neuroxic participate in Talk at the Birdman page and establish consensus before edits. Neuroxic is apparently upset about comments made by the delisting editor at Birdman about his article made about a month ago which delisted his article. MusicAngels (talk) 16:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

No, this is not the case. Even worse, whenever someone mentions your previous disruptive behavior, you revert their edits, claiming it in the name of personal attacks. ~~You even reverted an edit on my talk page without permission!~~ Just let Bgwhite make up their own mind, I have full confidence that the necessary procedures will sort this out for us. Neuroxic (talk) 00:35, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Bgwhite, for the record, I think Neuroxic is talking about an edit I made. Toodles, Drmies (talk) 00:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Drmies:, ~~no, that's definitely not the case.~~ I don't take issue with an honest edit like the one you did. It's MusicAngels being not following policy, being disruptive, and wasting everyone's time. Neuroxic (talk) 01:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, I didn't see MusicAngels reverting on your talk page. Anyway, the IPs are unleashing a swarm of irritating edits; I had to semi-protect the talk page. Very irritating. Bgwhite, it's all happening on Talk:Birdman (film). Neuroxic, I have no particular relationship with MusicAngels, but I do not like it when a bunch of trolls descent on a person. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Drmies: My bad, I'm embarrassed to admit you're right about the reverting on my talk page. Sorry for wasting your time on this. It doesn't affect the issues I have with MusicAngels though.

No worries--thanks. And I understand. Look, it's a content dispute y'all are having, no? There are ways out. GA review, RfC, there's processes. Outside editors can mediate disputes, etc. Good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 02:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Drmies: Hello, just to let you and Bgwhite know, I've opened a report on my issues with MusicAngels at the admin board. Cheers, Neuroxic (talk) 04:54, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Wilhelm Lexis

Thanks for the various fixes you made for this article. This was my first work on Wikipedia and I greatly appreciate the help.
Your edit summary noted a need to fix the ISBN numbers. I checked each of the three numbers through the "Book Source" special page, and all three checked out (i.e., produced the text that I was citing). Was there some other problem with those numbers? Thanks again for your help. NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

NewYorkActuary The edit summary states, "Fix ISBN problem". The problem was not the number, but with a colon. The following only has the colon as the differrence

ISBN: 0-936031-01-8

ISBN 0-936031-01-8

Don't worry about making mistakes. There are a ton of things to learn. Bgwhite (talk) 22:27, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks again. NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

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21:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Deprecated parameters on Hayrick Island

Hey Bg, I don't think it's worth compromising the factual accuracy of the article by saying the elevation of said island is 150m when it is in fact more than 150m, in favour of removing deprecated parameters. Unless there is a way to add the ">" without breaking the function (which I don't have the coding expertise to know), I really think the old parameter should stay; if it is to be removed altogether, it really really shouldn't be as the accuracy of the article would be compromised. I know it's a minor point but it attention to detail is important, especially for the global resource that Wikipedia is. Ljgua124 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Ljgua124 First off, new talk discussions always go at the bottom. There are no articles that use |elevation=. They all use |elevation_m= or |elevation_ft= This has been deprecated a few years now and will be removed. People in the U.S. use ft, so you are saying they don't matter. How is saying 150+ accurate? That could be 150m or 300m. Bgwhite (talk) 00:33, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Silly formatting question...

Where and when isn't germane, but the cleanup bot you ran on an article changed "reflist|2" to "reflist|30em". I assume they come out similarly, but is the former deprecated or something? MSJapan (talk) 19:35, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

MSJapan They don't come out the same. "reflist|2" will always have two columns. The number of columns on "reflist|30em" will depend on screen size. If you have a wide monitor, then you could have 3 or 4 columns. If you have a tablet, you could have one column. The "reflist|2" option is now deprecated. See Template:Reflist#Columns for the info. Bgwhite (talk) 00:22, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! MSJapan (talk) 01:36, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Help

Can you please run your robot here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_JRPG_franchises So that it can merge all the references. It will reduce size from 240k to 40-60k. Thanks--Misconceptions2 (talk) 13:48, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but I thought the bot merges references. Is that not the case? Can you please run theb ot the merges references or tell me how to do that?--Misconceptions2 (talk) 23:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Bgwhite - are there AWB general fixes that do not run in the Draft namespace? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Update Article is now in mainspace. Can you get a bot to work on it here please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_role-playing_game_franchises and have it merge all the references possible--Misconceptions2 (talk) 18:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Misconceptions2 Done.

GoingBatty I'm not aware of any, but I'm not the one to ask. Oh Magioladitis. Bgwhite (talk) 18:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, but I was hoping you run this bot on the page: User:BG19bot so that it merges the references.--Misconceptions2 (talk) 18:48, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@Misconceptions2: AWB's general fixes merge the references, so Bgwhite's edit from his main account merged many references, but not all.

@Magioladitis: It seems the references that AWB didn't merge are <ref>...</ref> tags within {{efn}}. Does AWB skip {{efn}} when merging references? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Inj that case we have to replace "{{efn|" with "XXX", then run the bot, then reverse "XXX" back to "{{efn", that would be a solution right? If so please can you do it or tell me how to do it so I can merge those refs myself using the bot?--Misconceptions2 (talk) 19:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@Misconceptions2: I tried your suggestion, but unfortunately it was unsuccessful at merging references. Hopefully Magioladitis can provide some insight. GoingBatty (talk) 01:41, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

@GoingBatty then what this establishes is that the "{{efn|" tag is not the issue,maybe the issue is that the references contain Japanese characters. Magioladitis seems like the name of a greek super hero. Lets hope he is just that as we are all useless here--Misconceptions2 (talk) 01:56, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Patch for row numbering is being tested now

Please see Phabricator thread:

jquery.tablesorter: Add support for a "fixed" column.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42618

From that thread there is recent notice of a patch for row numbering that is being tested now as an option for tables in the MediaWiki software. See:

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/234473

So we may soon no longer need all the convoluted methods you and I have been working on to get row numbering. --Timeshifter (talk) 00:22, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Timeshifter Sorry, I was writing a message above and didn't see yours here. I'm not understanding how the alignment is off because I don't see it. Is this browser or hardware dependent?

Rows are more misaligned the farther down you go. See your last version. The note links are in superscript in that version. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Timeshifter Nope, they are all aligned. I tried Firefox, Chrome and IE. Your version and my version look identical (alignment wise) from #1 to #218 on the list. Redrose, do you have any ideas? The article is List of countries by intentional homicide rate. Bgwhite (talk) 04:14, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

It is most noticeable at small font sizes. I just discovered that the flags also cause row misalignment at small text sizes. See Talk:List of countries by intentional homicide rate. The section currently titled "Removed flags for now". We will get flags back once the patch discussed in Phabricator is implemented. Then we can even put the notes fully back up in the notes column. --Timeshifter (talk) 06:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Ajay Maken

sir i am new to wiki and have not done many edits.have doen edit ajay makens page in a narrative manner. today noticed that the page had been reverted to an earlier revision. the work presently put is factually correct. would request your help in understanding why was it reverted to an earlier edit. second could you guide me how to insert photographs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberlearner (talk • contribs) 13:12, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Cyberlearner Several things... 1) You changed the format. The article should have a lead paragraph, then the table of contents and then the rest of the article. 2) You removed info from the infobox. 3) You added an uneeded list at "Other Notable Achievements ...." Most of these are not notable. There is no independent, reliable reference to back these up. 4) You added references from Wikipedia, LinkedIn and Maken himself. These are unreliable references and shouldn't be used. Some info could be referenced from Maken, such a Date of Birth and family info. 5) This one is minor. You need to add references after the text where the reference applies, not at the beginning of the section. Bgwhite (talk) 18:27, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). Thanks for the inputs, I shall follow you advice and do the needful on point 1 &2.

On the Notable Achievements these were some of the policy decisions he took in various capacities which have had a long term impact specially in Delhi. During one of the Supreme Court rulings all commercial activities that is offices and shops operating out of residential areas (not designated as commercial) were to be shut down. The government enacted an ordinance and then a law to help hundreds of thousands. shall update the supreme court judgement and subsequent law reference. On the PAY commission we have a burning issue, whenever the revision's are due, as this burdening the Public expenditure on one side and good officers are leaving government jobs due to better options else, and the people who should leave are sticking on. Now One Rank One Pay (OROP) it has snowballed.

the suggestions for this came from his side.

4. on the references I shall point to press reports and government websites

On his family I have the information but he did not want this information to be made public, due to privacy/security. (earlier names of his children were shared.) DOB will add.

one Point 5 I will make the necessary changes. Thanks & regards Cyberlearner (talk) 09:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Authority control

thanks for the info. I have created a .js subpage under my username... --FeanorStar7 09:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

NK Umag

A quick look - it doesn't look to be. No independent sources and no indication they have played in the national Cup competition. Giant Snowman 08:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Image errors

Hi, just noticed three of your edits that caused the same type of errors breaking infobox images: this, this and this. I also came across one yesterday but ignored it as a one-off but when I found these I thought I should report in-case it was a tool error. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:53, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

KylieTastic Crap, I thought I had been catching these, but obviously not. I'll fix the regex before continuing. Bgwhite (talk) 18:13, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Chiragabad and Chiragabad

Sorry, I fixed a cut-and-paste move but forgot to revert to the most recent version at the target title. Should be fixed now. Hut 8.5 06:07, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Dynamic programming in Knapsack Problem

You have undo the changes that I've done in Knapsack Problem, so currently there is a mistake (the dynamic programming that is written can not be used by the FPTAS algorithm as stated). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilanrcohen (talk • contribs) 15:14, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Ilanrcohen I didn't know if you were adding content or vandalizing the article. You put infinity symbols at several locations that caused problems... such as section headers not to show up. Bgwhite (talk) 20:34, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

As I mentioned, this is my first time I'm editing Wikipedia article, nevertheless the changes that I've done need to be done in order to correct the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilanrcohen (talk • contribs) 08:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Edits that effectively hide vandalism

This edit removed an orphaned HTML tag, but the edit before that was pure vandalism. If you fix a page after vandalism then it serves to hide the vandalism from page watchers. Do you think there's a solution? Binksternet (talk) 01:36, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Binksternet I do alot of reverts for vandalism. A majority of those reverts come after a bot or somebody else has edited. I and everybody else cannot see every vandal edit. No solution has been found yet in the history of Wikipedia. Bgwhite (talk) 01:41, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah, well. I've done a few of these myself, I bet. Binksternet (talk) 01:58, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Binksternet Then there is is this case. Vandalism covering up vandalism which was reverted by bot, thus leaving the first vandal edit intact. I think I just confused myself. Bgwhite (talk) 06:52, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I envision the birth of a new bot: StalkerBot! The new bot would examine the edit prior to every edit made by either a bot or a user with (semi-)automated tools; it would use vandalism-detection methods similar to those of ClueBot NG, but more refined (otherwise ClueBot would've already handled it, unless it was one of its exceptions). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:28, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

StalkerBot, totally. Binksternet (talk) 17:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

What did your bot just do here?

Hi, your bot made this edit to "Zune software" which has added content that could have easily triggered an automatic revert as vandalism. I'd strongly advise that you are better off fixing these kinds of problems up before BG19bot gets reported as a vandalbot and you wouldn't want that to happen, wouldn't you? Thanks! <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 01:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Some Gadget Geek It added no content. This type of edit will not trigger as vandalism. As this type of bot has over 5 million edits, it's not going to be labeled as a vandal. Bgwhite (talk) 05:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Mike Honda

Can you do me a favor and look at the latest edit to the Mike_Honda page? It looks to me like someone on his opponent's campaign has added a ton of stuff about the ongoing ethics investigation, well beyond the quantity of text warranted, as a campaign smear. I was going to edit it myself and whack all but the first two sentences and the references, since those sentences give a good and concise statement about the investigation. But since I'm a highly-visible Honda supporter myself, any edits from me would be perceived as political. Thanks, regardless. JGriffithSV (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	For this edit summary. I guess I should've looked more closely. I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{Ping\|I dream of horses}} to your message. (talk to me) (contributions) @ 02:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Reference error

Hi BG I spend a bit of time looking at cite errors and noticed recently that citations with dialogue sometimes cause problems, for example BG19 has caused a cite error with this and AWB did a similar thing with this. Regards. CV9933 (talk) 10:33, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

CV9933 The second edit by AWB looks to be a manual edit. When I run AWB on it, it doesn't create the error. Just because it says AWB, doesn't mean editors don't manually edit. The first one was caused because the article landed on this list. There was return in there and the second line started with "=". Bgwhite (talk) 17:50, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah thanks very much, when I looked at the diff on what the previous IP editor did, I missed that. Regards. CV9933 (talk) 19:53, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Removal of Logo

Hello BG, I was just wondering, why did you remove the logo from the Space Engineers page? Do you think it is redundant? Just curious! Thanks, all the best. JC713 (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @JC713: I restored the logo per Template:Infobox video game#General fields (plus the screenshot is already used below the infobox). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I appreciate it. JC713 (talk) 21:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Black Hand

Good Morning, Afternoon or Evening, Mr/Ms BGWhite. This is KuK1910. First I apologize. I am a 55 year old man, groping my way around in new technologies. I do wish to assure you that I didn't know you were there, wanting additional information and communications, until 20 minutes ago. Then, I must have looked like a complete jerk, re-pasting in what you had just rescinded.

Next I hope I am in the right place to address these issues. You indicated that I was to post to the talk page. But, both you and the article have a talk page, so I selected the one that I thought would be most congenial for you. Naturally, as an editor of Wikipedia, you desire an explanation to the changes. You are right, the change in the article is significant. However, as Wikipedia stated at the head of the article, prior to my edit, that "This article needs additional citations for verification." The most significant change I made, therefore, was to provide the aforementioned citations. I hope that you will forgive my immodesty when I point out that I have more than tripled the number of citations, from a scant 8 to a robust 27.

Of course, poor quality citations are of less than no value. In this case, I have cited a modern, author, Sean McMeekin, who has published 5 successful historical books, is a history professor in a private university in Istanbul, hand has a BA from Stanford and a PhD from Berkely. I also cited the famed Italian journalist, Luigi Albertini, a number of times, including to support other peoples entries.

Assuredly, the most controversial assertion in my entry concerned religious intolerance prevalent in the Kingdom of Serbia at the turn of the twentieth century. However, I used two independent, unrelated and disinterested sources to document this assertion. While the First Balkan War raged, In a New York times interview, a Professor Sloane lamented that American Protestant missionaries would have a much harder time operating in territory conquered by the Orthodox Balkan kingdoms than they had under the Ottoman Muslim regime. This is not exclusive to, but is inclusive of, Serbia. The English author, Edith Durham, detail religious intolerance in Serbia. Is there any other matter you would like to call to my attention, or that I may address for you.?Kuk1910 (talk) 06:56, 5 September 2015 (UTC)Kuk1910 (talk) 08:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

User:Kuk1910 So, this old fart will be talking to you, an old fart. Coming here for help is perfectly fine. However, some of this needs to be on the article talk page.

My main objection is the inclusion of signatures and some bad formatting. Normally I'd fix this, but there are over 40 signatures. You don't sign in articles, but you do sign on talk pages.

I don't know what the other person objects to. It appears they are Serbian. There are some polar opposite views going on. For example, you have as Black Hands purpose being, "Subjugation of Austrian-Hungarian Croats and Slovenes under Serb rule". They have, "Liberation of Austro-Hungarian South Slavs". This needs to be hashed out on the article's talk page. If you two can't come to an agreement, then a third party can be brought in. I'd start out small. Pick a couple of paragraphs that you think is least controversial and go from there. It's good you have references as that is the most important thing.

Don't hesitate to give me a yell if you need any help. Bgwhite (talk) 23:09, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Azerbaijani opera

Эта статья называется не "Опера в Азербайджане" а "Азербайджанская опера". Тривиальный факт, что он был зарожден в 1907 году Гаджибековым. Опера Российской Империи конца XIX—начала XX века из городов Баку или Тбилиси это не национальные оперы.--Taron Saharyan (talk) 23:13, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Italo-Ethiopian War support

Hi, Bgwhite

Sorry, what are you doing?--Mulugheta alula roma (talk) 08:53, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Mulugheta alula roma You need to be more specific. Bgwhite (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Bgwhite as I have already explained to the discussion page Talk:First Italo–Ethiopian War

that is wiki en. is the only indicate who than state the support or participation of other nation army Europe matieral and without indicating the source.

I think that should not be shown in the box because it is news not true ascertain from all sources and bibliographical treated both Ethiopian and foreign.

is a administrator wikipedia?

answer me on the discussion page Talk:First Italo–Ethiopian War. thanks--Mulugheta alula roma (talk) 11:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I am not jokes! --Mulugheta alula roma (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Action Request

I don't know which bot is appropriate for this. Since Bgwhite removed extra = from an article, I think it might be able to do this as well. Wouldn't it be a good idea to replace <references/> with {{reflist}} in articles?

I don't know who you are or what article you are referring to. Bgwhite (talk) 06:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry, I made this on comment for the BG19bot. It somehow lead me to your talk page. The article I am referring to is Mahavira, in which this bot recently made an edit. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 07:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Capankajsmilyo You left a message in the right spot. I'm still confused. The article already has {{reflist}}. In the case of the edit on Mahavira, the bot was there only to fix a section header and can't do anything else. Replacing <references/> with {{reflist}} is only a good idea if there needs to be more than one column, in which case, the bot can't determine if a single or multiple columns are needed. A bot could be replace <references/> with {{reflist}} straight up. A bot just to do that wouldn't be approved because it would be "cosmetic edit". Replacing could be added to another bot's function. I'd ask at AWB's talk page. AWB is a program alot of bots are based on. Bgwhite (talk) 07:59, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, please post on AWB. Not on Mahavira, I have replaced it few days back, but on multiple pages I have seen references tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capankajsmilyo (talk • contribs) 08:02, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Bogus change

Hi Your bot did a bogus change there on urpmi page. It destroyed command line examples. What can be done? See you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jop2~enwiki (talk • contribs) 14:05, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Jop2~enwiki: I reverted the bot's edit and added <code>...</code> tags for the command line examples. I then ran AWB's general fixes to refix the punctuation and confirmed that no changes were made to the command line examples. GoingBatty (talk) 15:07, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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17:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Carola Wisny

Dear Bgwhite -

This is about the page of Carola Wisny - wondering if you were able to read the last updated article about her? I am still working on it.

She believes that deafness is an asset since visual communication is part of her daily life. it has a considerable influence with the industry. http://limpingchicken.com/2013/05/03/caroladeafmodel/ - definitely a good impact to the society.

.I also know that she has worked for an educative TV program in Norway years back. Still need to find the name of the TV program.

Sorry if I am taking time in developing the article. Technically speaking, I am still very new with Wikipedia.

Brian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwabu22 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Bwabu22 Being in some commercials and a TV presenter isn't notable. She will need to be in multiple independent references that talk about her. Showing the commercial doesn't count. I'd suggest going thru Wikipedia:Articles for creation. You can take your time and receive feedback. If you decide to go that route, I can copy what you already have done to the new one you are starting. Bgwhite (talk) 01:57, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear Bgwhite -

Yes, please do so. I am in the process of adding these info. Thank you.

---

Hi again - I just read throughout the Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Can I go ahead in creating the same article to keep working on it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwabu22 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwabu22 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bgwhite - I just updated the article. Please let me know if I am following it accordingly.

03:16, 5 September 2015 (UTC)Bwabu22 (talk)

I am confused. Shall I add it or wait for you to add it?

03:16, 5 September 2015 (UTC )Bwabu22 (talk)

Bwabu22 Oh, no. I'm always confused and if you are too, we are in trouble. I copied it to Draft:Carola Wisny Bgwhite (talk) 04:33, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I just updated the draft. Thoughts? Bwabu22 (talk) 12:38, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Bwabu22, I made some copy edits and added the article to the Articles for Creation (AfC) queue. Depending on the backlog at AfC, it make take some time for them to get to the article. Make sure the photos are not copyrighted. They look like fashion shots, which would mean they are copyrighted. Bgwhite (talk) 04:47, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Governor list

Thank you for your input on List of Governors of California; if you don't mind, I'd love to hear your input on the modifications I've made (based heavily on that one) to the other governor lists, the best example being List of Governors of Arkansas. The main changes were: Merging term in/term out; changing the fractional terms column to a much more useful 'term' column, illustration which elected term of office we're on and which were shared; merging the color bars vertically, simply for making things look nice; and adding 75px-wide portraits to every row, removing the need to the picked-and-chosen list on the right that made the page narrower. If you take a look, thank you and I hope to hear back. :) (The new format has also been added to: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, and Delaware. Yes, I work alphabetically, why do you ask?) --Golbez (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Golbez I've seen you being busy because my watchlist is now full of your handy work. I decided to look at California first and said, "what the (#*@)$&@^ is going on?" I was relieved when I saw the talk page and the other pages. I'll take a closer look later today. I'd like to study the before and after more closely. First impression was... I do have mixed emotions on the merging of the term in/term out column. I do like the new term column because it eliminates the confusion of the fractions. Bgwhite (talk) 05:39, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Technical issue with template

I am finding articles that use Template:Infobox musical artist with distortions. See Sade (band) as sample of this distortion. When I check the What links here link for this template and view various articles with this template, some have distortions and others not. For samples of those with distortions, see Crowded House, ABBA, and others. This distortion can also be found in the corresponding "Navbox musical artist" templates found at the bottom of their respective pages. I don't know how to fix this. Any suggestions. Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 03:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Mitchumch Could you tell me what you mean by "distortions"? Which parameter in the infobox has the problems? Bgwhite (talk) 04:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Since the distortion was large I viewed the pages I listed here in a different web browser. No distortion. I fixed the problem on my end since I knew it was me. Sorry for the false alarm and thank you for being so prompt in your response to me. Mitchumch (talk) 04:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Mitchumch No problem. I've caused so many problems myself too. Bgwhite (talk) 04:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I want to try this again. I am seeing issues with images not appearing in infoboxes, although the file is in the template. I tried examining this in a different browser, but got the same results. See Socialist Labor Party of America and Black Panther Party as examples. Also, the image for Black Panther Party was originally "File:Bpp logo.PNG", but produces the same issues. Am I mistaken? Mitchumch (talk) 07:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Mitchumch There is a problem. Looks like somebody (an IP) played with the infobox code. Let me look at it a bit before I revert it back. Bgwhite (talk) 07:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought I was losing my mind. Mitchumch (talk) 07:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Mitchumch You are lucky. I've already lost my mind. Good catch on this one. I've reverted the edit. Looks like an IP has been playing around with it for the past month, so I put page protection on it. I've also asked the template editor who reverted the IP the last time to take a look in case something else is wrong. Bgwhite (talk) 07:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. The image File:SLP logo wiki.png for the Socialist Labor Party of America and the image File:Bpp logo.PNG for the Black Panther Party were tagged with {{di-orphaned fair use}} by User:B-bot on 7 September 2015. The edit summary states, "Tagging orphaned non-free image for deletion. If this image is not added to an article in the next seven days, it will be deleted."

Two concerns. First, will this require further action to prevent these files from being deleted? Secondly, were other images deleted that weren't discovered beyond the seven day response period? Thanks again. Mitchumch (talk) 08:14, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Mitchumch, you have me stumped. I've asked the question at User talk:Alakzi#Template:Infobox historical American political party. If it is a problem with the infobox, then yes, other images could have been deleted.

What's weird... The infobox used for Black Panther Party is just a wrapper for {{Infobox political party}}. Canadian Action Party uses {{political party}} and its non-free logo is showing up as being used.

I just converted Socialist Labor Party of America to use {{Infobox political party}} and the logo is no longer an orphan. The best solution will be to convert all the articles (~35) to use {{Infobox political party}} Bgwhite (talk) 08:56, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I examined Socialist Labor Party of America and I hate to write this. The infobox template hadn't been changed only a modification of a field within the old Infobox historical American political party template. I changed it to Infobox political party and had to make one additional change to make it identical to the previous template. The change in status of the image File:SLP logo wiki.png was due to a manual edit by User:Alakzi. I also reverted the edit by User: B-bot on the image File:Bpp logo.PNG.

Don't worry, I got your back. It was only hours ago I thought I was cracking up before you saved my sanity. Mitchumch (talk) 10:15, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Mitchumch Would help if I didn't change the infobox just before I went to bed. I'm loopy enough when I'm wide awake. I did a TfD for the template here. Bgwhite (talk) 20:14, 8 September 2015 (UTC)