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Archive 2

Royal Historical Society

Could Fellow of the Royal Historical Society (FRHistS) please be added to Template:Post-nominals/CAN? Thanks, 142.161.81.20 (talk) 18:37, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

 Question: As this is a British society, should it not be added to Template:Post-nominals/GBR? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:33, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I was looking over it and it is already there in the GBR section, not sure whether duplication is needed, it may be useful Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Does not seem necessary — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:06, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Privy Council of Canada

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/GBR

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 22:28, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

The "PCc" option, indicating membership of the Queen's Privy Council of Canada, was added by User:DBD on 8 December 2013 with the postnominal "PC". This was changed to "PC (Can)" by User:JorisEnter on 6 March 2016, and changed back to "PC" by me on 9 April 2016. User:Ebonelm changed the postnominal to the even less likely "PCc" on 19 April 2017, I changed it back to "PC" again on 28 February with the comment postnominal for Canadian Privy Council is PC but User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa reverted me the same day saying Not when used in th UK: this is the GBR prost-nom template. This is to disambiguate between Canadian and UK privy councils.

I had been going to argue that non-existent postnominals should not be invented by Wikipedia and that it should be changed back to "PC", but having looked at it a bit more, I don't think this option even needs to exist at all. Obviously the vast majority of memebers of the Canadian Privy Council have been Canadian, and their articles use Template:Post-nominals which was set up with Canadian postnominals (and hence "PC" for the Canadian Privy Council) as the default. As far as I can tell, the only Britons appointed to the Canadian Privy Council, and whose articles would use this template, have been: the Prince of Wales, later Duke of Windsor (1927); Stanley Baldwin (1927); Ramsay MacDonald (1929); Winston Churchill (1941); Lord Alexander of Tunis (1952); the Duke of Edinburgh (1957); and the current Prince of Wales (2014). Of these, the Royals have so many postnominals that they are not used on Wikipedia articles. Baldwin and MacDonald's articles do not use the "PC" postnominal at all. Alexander's article did have the "PCc" until it was removed by User:Necrothesp on 30 November 2017 as this was not an abbreviation used. So the only article currently using "PCc" is Churchill's. I have done a bit of searching and it is difficult enough to find examples of the "PC" postnominal used to denote any of these men's membership of the UK Privy Council, let alone a separate one for the Canadian Privy Council that would require disambiguation.

The official account of Edward VII's coronation ("No. 27489". The London Gazette (Supplement). 29 October 1902. p. 6883.) lists Lord Strathcona, who had been appointed to the Canadian Privy Council in 1896, as "GCMG" only, while his peers who were UK Privy Councillors have "P.C." in brackets. It would seem that membership of the Canadian Privy Council confers no postnominal letters in UK usage. There is no need for this option on the template. Opera hat (talk) 17:46, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

The reason I removed it from Alexander's article was because at that time his postnoms read "PC, PC", which is clearly ridiculous. If it was "PC, PC (Can)" then that would be fine. There is, for some reason (since it has been used many times in many sources), debate over whether the "PC" postnom should be used for non-peers, which is why it would have been removed from non-peers by supporters of it not being used. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:02, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Been bold and changed PCc to PC (Can), per PC (Ire).--Neve~selbert 18:08, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

FAHMS - Fellow of the Australian Academy of Health and Medical Sciences

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/AUS

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 21:51, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Could someone add the following to the template please? Pdfpdf (talk) 10:46, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
| FAHMS = [[Fellow of the Australian Academy of Health and Medical Sciences|FAHMS]]

It should be placed between:

| FAHA = [[Fellow of the Australian Academy of the Humanities|FAHA]] and
| FAICD = [[Fellow of the Australian Institute of Company Directors|FAICD]]

Pdfpdf (talk) 10:50, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

It appears we also need:

| FAHMS, = [[Fellow of the Australian Academy of Health and Medical Sciences|FAHMS]], between
| FAHA, = [[Fellow of the Australian Academy of the Humanities|FAHA]], and
| FAICD, = [[Fellow of the Australian Institute of Company Directors|FAICD]],

Pdfpdf (talk) 10:57, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:21, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

New Zealand FNZAH

On MacDonald P. Jackson I ran across the post-nominal FNZAH, which I speculate to be a Fellow of the New Zealand Academy of the Humanities. However I am unable to find a reliable cite for either. If anyone more knowledgable could look into it and perhaps update the template, I would appreciate it. --Xover (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Why is this template locked? Please add FRAIA

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/AUS

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 21:51, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Why is such an obscure template locked for editing? Please add:

| FRAIA = [[Fellow of the Royal Australian Institute of Architects|FRAIA]]

Sources are plentiful.[1]

—Мандичка^YO 😜 06:06, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Fellow of the Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland

Would Fellow of the Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland (FRIAS) be able to be added to Template:Post-nominals/GBR? Thanks, 142.160.89.97 (talk) 05:47, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: this template is about honors that can be bestowed upon someone. "Fellow of the Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland" does not seen to be a distinction but a society. L293D (☎ • ✎) 16:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

In which case, how have we got FRS? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@L293D: Being made a "Fellow" of a society is (often) an honor bestowed; it's not descriptive of mere membership or association. --Xover (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done - sorry for the disruption, when I clicked the link for the fellow of the Royal whatever, I got redirected to the article for the Royal incorporation whatever, and I didn't notice the fellow part. Ill do it now. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:48, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Font-size

Using a plain number for the value of font-size does nothing and is invalid CSS. The only values accepted are percentages or measures of font size such as em or px. Here's the proof for Gaia Octavia Agrippa who doesn't believe that:

• {{post-nominals|size=50|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE
• {{post-nominals|size=150|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE
• {{post-nominals|size=50%|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE
• {{post-nominals|size=150%|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE

You might as well write size=1 as size=100 because it yields exactly the same effect. We should not be writing invalid values into our documentation, so I've restored the correct values. --RexxS (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

It isn't: PC CC OBE (100%) and PC CC OBE (100) are the same. Its set at 85% automatically (PC CC OBE) and no other sizes are used. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 15:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Of course it is.

• {{post-nominals|size=100%|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE
• {{post-nominals|size=100|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE
• {{post-nominals|size=Gaia Octavia Agrippa|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE

All yield the same result because the last two are invalid CSS and don't do anything. You can write any piece of garbage for font-size and still get normal-sized text, but that doesn't make the piece of garbage a valid value for font-size.

It's not set to 85% automatically; it's set to 85% if, and only if, you don't use the size parameter. Even a blank value or 85 lead to the same result, because they are invalid CSS and don't alter the font-size:

• {{post-nominals|size=|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE
• {{post-nominals|size=85|PC|CC|OBE}} → PC CC OBE

You don't get to decide what sizes editors may use in this template, so the argument about "no other sizes" is worthless. Your version gives the impression that editors can use a bare number and set the font-size to that value. They will then be left wondering why something like |size=90 doesn't work. We should not be misleading our editors and we should not be writing invalid values into our documentation. --RexxS (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

So, how do we change the template so that only the two sizes are permissable? DrKay (talk) 17:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Why would we want to lose flexibility? At present infobox headers, for example, are often larger than normal size, so could accommodate a post-nominal size other than 100% or 85%. Similarly, some tables may have larger headers or smaller or larger text over a large range, so there could be a case for using {{post-nominals}} at other than the two fixed sizes you suggest.

To answer your question, you could use style="font-size:{{#if:{{{size|}}}|100%|85%}};" in the first line. Then any use of the size parameter would set 100% and its absence would set 85%, but you should then alter the documentation to explain that to editors who want to use the template. --RexxS (talk) 18:52, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

RfC on post-nominals

I have opened an RfC as to whether we should keep the post-nominals template listing them at 85% text size or increase to 100%. See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Request for comment: Size of post-nominals. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Font size in infobox

Is it possible for the template to detect that it's in an infobox and apply size=100% automatically? — Stanning (talk) 18:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

This is an ongoing point of discussion (see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Request for comment: Size of post-nominals). I'm sure that if a method were possible using only templates and Lua modules, RexxS (talk · contribs) would have implemented it already. Anyway, the thing to do is to stay well away from font sizes within style="..." attributes, and instead do it with classes and style sheets. So where we currently have <span class="noexcerpt" style="font-size:{{{size|85%}}};"> we could have something like <span class="noexcerpt postnom" {{#if:{{{size|}}}|style="font-size:{{{size}}};"}}> Then, we would write a CSS rule that has a selector along the lines of "if a span element belongs to the postnom class, set font-size:85% unless it is enclosed by another element (at any depth) that belongs to the infobox class". The style= attribute is now conditional, and allows for parameters like |size=110% to override. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Stanning and Redrose64: I don't think Lua is much help here. However, using templatestyles, we could simply define the default font-size for the .postnom class to be 85%, and then use your idea of a later selector resetting the default to 100% whenever it's inside the .infobox class. Couple that with your conditional code to allow |size= to be specified where needed, and you should be able to clean up this template considerably while increasing its functionality.

However, it would need quite a bit of work to reconcile the change in default font-size when used inside infoboxes. I'd strongly recommend sandboxing changes and trying them out in sandboxed infoboxes first to try to catch any unwanted size shifts. Otherwise you'll get a huge push-back from folks who don't understand why their favourite infobox isn't behaving as they expected. --RexxS (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Commas discussion

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Side matter: commas between post-nominal abbreviations – Gist: Is "OFM Cap FSA Scot FRHistS" five post-nominals, or three? (Hint: it's three.)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 5 January 2019

OLY needs to link to OLY and not olympic compeitior as the idea was created by the WOA and is awarded by this organisation. It is not given just for competing in Olympic competition, as one can be denied if they cheat etc. Please see article for more details and linked references. 213.205.194.115 (talk) 18:03, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Changed[2]. DrKay (talk) 20:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Different country postnominals

I wonder

1. how recipients mix countries – I'm looking at Michael Bentine, who received a CBE and a Peruvian Order of Merit?
2. how is possible to work out the order of different countries'? Still with Michael Bentine, would the order change depending where he was?

Talk about confusing (talk) 03:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Hon LLD

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/GBR

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 22:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Dear @Gaia Octavia Agrippa: It seems that many doctors in the UK for the first half of the 20th century certainly (roughly), who had steller careers were awarded Honarary LLD's, e.g. William Fletcher Shaw near or at the end of their careers. Munks Roll - Lives of the Fellows is a biographical aggregator that is run by the Royal College of Physicians since 1518 tends to report them at the top of their articles, e.g. [3]] that would tend to indicate that they are considered valuable and of equal weight to e.g. FCOG or FRCP. Plarr's Lives of the Fellows has a similiar format, indicating they hold them in equal weight. How do I support it in the article post-noms. scope_creep^Talk 12:11, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Scope creep! Thanks for the ping. You are quite right to say that an honorary higher degree is a high ranking award. However, it is still an academic degree and so it shouldn't be included in the post-noms at the beginning of an article. The best place for it would be within the main body of text or, if an article has one, in the honours section. Something along the lines of "Shaw was awarded an honorary Doctor of Laws (LLD) degree by Queen's University, Belfast in 1948" or if the university isn't known, "Shaw had been awarded an honorary Doctor of Laws (LLD) degree".

The order that post-noms are given is a set standard (roughly: national honours, appointments such as QC, degrees, fellowships), so it doesn't mean that an LLD is necessary equal to or less/more than the other post-noms included. In the case of Shaw, his "MB ChB" appears second in the list but would be considered the lowest ranking of all of his post-noms.

I've also just realised while having a close look that you've confused "Kt" (Knight Bachelor) with "KT" (Knight of the Thistle): the latter is one of the highest ranking knighthoods, while the former is the lowest. Confusingly, Knights Bachelor only use the title "Sir" without a post-nom, unless they've also been awarded a higher knighthood or title (eg baron). In the case of Munks Roll, its using Kt as shorthand.

I've waffled a bit, but I hope this is helpful? Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 20:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

No confusion, more a spelling mistake I suspect. I knew about the KT order years ago, but I've never really came across somebody that has a KT that was needing an article, possibly due to all the bio articles already been created. I guess that clears it up, but it is a shame the post-nom template isn't a bit more flexible. Since I wrote the first message at the turn of the afternoon, I looked at several other archives,and they all format their post-nominals in the same manner, sometimes going back centuries. It seems to be a standard. There seems to serious lack of flexibility in the design. Yip, there seems to be quite an enormous number of professionals who have a Kt, and only later do they get a CBE, but not that often, unless they serve the government in some manner. scope_creep^Talk 22:19, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 6 March 2019

In template:Post-nominals/CAN, the following territorial post-nominals need to be added/are missing:

• Order of Nunavut
• Order of the Northwest Territories
• Order of Yukon

So the template should be edited with: | ONu = [[Order of Nunavut|ONu]] | ONWT = [[Order of the Northwest Territories|ONWT]] | OY = [[Order of Yukon|OY]] GreenRunner0 20:55, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 15:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 9 May 2019

Could Fellow of the Geological Society (FGS) be added to the Canadian subpage? It was once common for Canadians to be appointed to the Geological Society of London. Thanks, 142.160.89.97 (talk) 05:25, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:27, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

CitWA (Western Australian of the Year)

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/AUS

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm trying to respond to a query sent in to Wikimedia ticket:2018100310001904

The honorific suffix "CitWA" doesn't show up in Peter Klinken, presumably because it is not in this table.

The suffix is discussed here: Western Australian of the Year Awards

I'm personally uncomfortable adding it without finding a reliable source for the relevant sentence: Award recipients may choose to use the post-nominal CitWa after their name.

If I can get someone to track that down is there any reason why it should not be added to this list?

If it is acceptable to add to the list, I can try but my template editing is rusty so if someone else is willing to help out, I will thank you in advance.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

automation?

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/GBR

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 22:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Did someone make this automated so using the post-nom script automatically puts in categories? This is no good. Durban Light Infantry is categorized as being a Knights in nine orders and this cannot be removed. It was somehow activated with this edit related to the table. It has to be the post-nom script. Any idea? —Мандичка^YO 😜 03:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Nevermind, it's been fixed. I wasn't aware of the "cats" option for automation. —Мандичка^YO 😜 03:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 26 June 2019

Could Fellow of the Canadian Academy of Health Sciences (FCAH) be added to the Canadian subpage? Thanks. -- 10:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 00:02, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, that should actually be FCAHS. 24.72.14.64 (talk) 05:21, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done please fix any usage of the old parameter name — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:22, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@MSGJ: The output doesn't appear to have been corrected. 24.72.14.64 (talk) 03:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Apologies. I thought you were asking for the input to change. Now done --— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:18, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! 24.72.14.64 (talk) 05:51, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

FRNCM

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/GBR

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 22:36, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Could FRNCM for Fellows of the Royal Northern College of Music be added? Thanks, 142.161.83.66 (talk) 03:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done please make an article or redirect to a proper article section for Fellows of the Royal Northern College of Music first. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:23, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 9 August 2019

Could Fellow of the Royal Historical Society (FRHistS) be added to the Canadian subpage? Thanks, 142.161.83.66 (talk) 06:30, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done Izno (talk) 18:01, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Font size (again) - just use small-caps instead?

I refer to the previous archived discussions. Perhaps instead we could use more modern CSS, so instead of using

style="font-size:{{{size|85%}}};"

we could instead have a "small" parameter (on by default) and have:

{{if {{{small}}}| style="font-variant: small-caps;"|}}

Just a thought. — Jon (talk) 01:48, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

*sigh* apologies... somehow missed the RfC. — Jon (talk) 02:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Further to that: small-caps doesn't alter the size of capital letters, it changes small letters to capital letters but slightly smaller than a normal cap. Just how much smaller depends upon your browser and the fonts that you have installed. But consider this:

1. <span style="font-variant: normal ; ">OBE</span> → OBE
2. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">OBE</span> → OBE
3. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">Obe</span> → Obe
4. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">obe</span> → obe

You should find that there is no visual difference between examples 1 and 2. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Indeed... apologies for the 2 am brainfart...! — Jon (talk) 06:18, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

FRCSEd

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/GBR

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 22:37, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

All sources I can find, and List of post-nominal letters (United Kingdom), suggest that FRCSEd is used rather than FRCSE for fellowship of the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh. Please can this be added to the list, perhaps as an alternative so as not to upset existing uses of FRCSE? (And there are a bunch of other Edinburgh medical titles to which this applies - see List_of_post-nominal_letters_(United_Kingdom)#Medical_qualifications. Perhaps I can try just WP:BOLDly adding this version... will have a go. PamD 17:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, not producing desired effect instantly in Philip Stell, but maybe it takes a while for the template to update. Got to go out now, will check back later. PamD 17:55, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Testing: XYZ MBE should appear as MBE and FRCSEd. Not doing so now. I have edited Template:Post-nominals/GBR/doc to add FRCSEd and FRCPEd to the list, I think. Any ideas what's going wrong, anyone? Should I be adding them somewhere else? PamD 20:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

MPs during dissolution

Moved from Template talk:Post-nominals/GBR

 – 142.160.131.220 (talk) 22:37, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Politics_of_the_United_Kingdom concern has been raised that all MPs should be removed during dissolution. I have an alternative suggestion—modify the template for this purpose.

The lines to modify are: (MPp is not but I just put it here for easy cross check)

| MP     = MP
| MPe    = MP
| MPi    = MP
| MPni   = MP
| MPs    = MP
| MPp    = MP
| MPw    = MP

• Either remove or comment out the [[Member of the British House of Commons|MP]] whenever a GE is underway
• Or replace it with for example {{#if:{{Template:Post-nominals/GBR/GE}}||[[Member of the British House of Commons|MP]]}} Template:Post-nominals/GBR/GE would be the page to control the template. Writing anything = purdah = MP hidden. Blank page = in session = MP shown.--Roy17 (talk) 17:27, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I realise MP is not just used for incumbents but also in sections "Styles of address".

We could use some conditional logic.

Change | MP = [[Member of the British House of Commons|MP]]

to

| MP|MPe|MPi|MPni|MPs|MPw = {{#switch:{{{incumbent|}}} |yes|y={{#if:{{Template:Post-nominals/GBR/GE}}||[[Member of the British House of Commons|MP]]}} |default=[[Member of the British House of Commons|MP]]}}

That means, a new parameter incumbent is introduced. If it is set to yes or y, then it will check Template:Post-nominals/GBR/GE and return empty string if the page has any text and MP if the page is blank. If the parameter is set to anything else or not set, it always displays MP.

Then for future MPs, use the parameter incumbent.--Roy17 (talk) 19:47, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Note that MP should never be added to the name in the lede. Only in the infobox. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Cabayi (talk) 08:10, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I give up this work. I couldnt come up with the code to deal with the for loop in the main template.--Roy17 (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 18 December 2019

Could Fellow of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland (FRAS) be added to the British subpage? Thanks, 142.160.131.220 (talk) 23:36, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: FRAS already exists - what should this be added as, and is there any consensus for it? DannyS712 (talk) 23:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I would suggest FRAsS (with FRAS still being the display text, of course), but I'm agnostic on the code. As for consensus, it can be established through editing, as is typically done with requests on this page for the addition of post-nominal letters pertaining to well-established learned societies. 142.160.131.220 (talk) 00:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. This is a highly-visible template and thus, I would argue consensus is required before a change is made. qedk (t 桜 c) 11:36, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

please add FIEEE

Please add Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (FIEEE). Thank you. —Мандичка^YO 😜 19:00, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Order of Saint John for Australia

Alice Creswick was made DStJ, but it appears that we don't have this in Template:Post-nominals/AUS. Can this please be added? - Chris.sherlock (talk) 18:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

We also don't have Companion of the Order of St Michael and St George, which is what Joan Hammond was awarded. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

@Chris.sherlock:  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DStJ and CMG have both been in {{Post-nominals/AUS}} since it was first created. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

FRSA

Hey guys, the template doesn’t appear to pick up FRSA for Australians. Do we know why? - Chris.sherlock (talk) 17:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done I copied the code and link from the /GBR template. I am taking it on the requester's good faith that FRSA is valid for Australians. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Royal Scottish Academy

Need to add designations from Royal Scottish Academy#Academicians:

|ARSA = [[Associate Royal Scottish Academician|ARSA]]
|HRSA = [[Honorary Royal Scottish Academician|HRSA]]
|PPRSA = [[Past President of the Royal Scottish Academy|PPRSA]]

Thanks. -- Netoholic @ 09:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done Izno (talk) 14:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Update link of all Order of Australia categories

It looks like all the Order of Australia pages were merged into one Order of Australia page. With this, would it be possible to have someone change the links for AC AO, AM, and OAM to go to Order of Australia? ItsPugle (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

American professional designations

Hello! I'm not sure what goes into making these templates, I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on incorporating American professional designations into this format. Mbdfar (talk) 03:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Use of Module:Template_invocation

I was wondering (here) why Module:Template invocation is used in so many articles. It turns out that previewing an edit of a sandbox which contains nothing but {{postnominals}} shows the module under "Templates used in this preview". Why is that? Johnuniq (talk) 04:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

It turned out to be Module:For loop, now fixed. Johnuniq (talk) 07:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistencies

Inconsistent presence of Associateships of Imperial College London, the following does exist:

|ARCS = [[Associate of the Royal College of Science|ARCS]]

but the other three do not:

|ACGI = [[ACGI]] <!-- Associate of the City and Guilds of London Institute -->
|AICSM = [[Imperial College School of Medicine|AICSM]]
|ARSM = [[Associate of the Royal School of Mines|ARSM]]

These are all officially recognised post-nominals, and date back to degrees awarded by the pre-university Royal Colleges. However, they are rarely used these days as with other degrees. However, they can be quite frequently found on alumni from before the admission of the college into the University of London, so might still have use for historical articles. Either way, the inconsistency makes no sense, remove ARCS or add them all, they're all equivalent in status. Shadowssettle_(talk) 11:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 July 2020 Suggestion

On the CD line, change the link from Canadian Forces Decoration|CD to Canadian Forces' Decoration|CD — Blairall (talk) 23:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society of Queensland

Can 'FRGSQ' please be added? Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 04:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC) Also, can 'FRGSA' be added - Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society of Australasia. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 04:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 20 July 2020

Add the following, they are all in reference to Queensland.

• FRGSQ - Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society of Queensland
• FRGSA - Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society of Australasia
• MLC - Member of the Legislative Council
• MLA - Member of the Legislative Assembly
• ESQ - Esquire

Thanks. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 04:18, 20 July 2020 (UTC) Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 04:18, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose ESQ. Per MOS:POSTNOM, wikipedia only includes "honours or appointments issued either by the subject's state of citizenship or residence, or by a widely recognized organization". DrKay (talk) 07:14, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose ESQ. Not a recognised postnom. Also note that postnoms indicating membership of legislative assembles are not included in the lede, although they may be included elsewhere. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Necrothesp I'm fine with dropping 'ESQ', althoug in Queensland the postnom changed from 'MLA' to 'MP' and was in use as such from 1859 until 2000. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 11:51, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

I meant we don't use any postnoms indicating membership of legislative assemblies/legislatures, including MP. This is because they are transient and are only used while an individual is a member of the legislature in question. There's no problem with adding them to the template, but I was merely emphasising that they should not be used in the lede, as some editors try to do. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. Primefac (talk) 02:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Terrible use of post-nominals template

The way this template is being used is just terrible and should be discussed in MOS. People have started adding it right after the person's name, and before the pronunciation part, so we have in Andre Geim "Sir Andre Konstantinovich Geim FRS, HonFRSC, HonFInstP (Russian: Андре́й Константи́нович Гейм; born 21 October 1958) is a Russian-born...", and on google "Sir Andre Konstantinovich Geim FRS, HonFRSC, HonFInstP is a Russian-born...". Look at this one James Dyson "Sir James Dyson OM CBE RDI FRS FREng FCSD FIEE (born 2 May 1947)...". Do these acronyms mean anything to anyone, or do you need to click on them to find out what they mean? This is polluting every single article on the members of the Royal Society now (Fellow of the Royal Society), and who knows what else. @Jorge Stolfi: I liked your reasoning on why not to use sidebars in the lede, what do you think of this? What's the best place to discuss this? Ponor (talk) 13:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I can only agree, it is unbelievably gross pollution of the head section.
There is no justification for putting the titles in the head section. If only because some nobles have "full names" that are half a page long -- and practically no one, not even most biographers, will care about them.
Titles and honors belong in a proper section of the body of the article, where they can be spelled out in full and augmented with dates special circumstances.
All the best,--Jorge Stolfi (talk) 22:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Missing membership post-nominal - possible to add?

I notice that not all items listed for Fellowship are reflected in similar listing for Membership, even though both may be valid and widely-used post-nominals. A specific case - FInstP is here, for Fellow of the Institute of Physics, but MInstP, for the related Member grade (still a very real qualifier on a name) is missing. Can this be addressed? Thanks, SeoR (talk) 12:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

RAIA not working?

I can't seem to get {{post-nominals|country=AUS|FRAIA}} to work - what am I doing wrong?
Also (related to the section above), not sure whether needed or not, but the RAIA only started in 1929, and the last state-based architectural institutes only joined up in 1968. Don't we need one for each state, for use with earlier architects? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 4 March 2021

Add: | MM* = MM Atchom (talk) 02:36, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done that is already in the template. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 20 May 2021

In template:Post-nominals/CAN, the following municipal post-nominals need to be added/are missing:

• Order of Montreal

So the template should be edited with: | COM = [[Order of Montreal|COM]] | OOM = [[Order of Montreal|OOM]] | ChOM = [[Order of Montreal|ChOM]]

Evidence of the post-noms can be seen here: https://ville.montreal.qc.ca/ordre/en/about

GreenRunner0 21:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done for ChOM.  Not done for the other two, as COM and OOM are already used for the Order of Merit of the Police Forces * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

MPe etc

Template:Post-nominals/GBR includes a set of postnoms which I don't recognise: MPe, MPi, MPni, MPs, MPw.

I can infer what they mean (MPe="Member of the Parliament of England" etc), but I dont recall seeing those abbreviations in use anywhere on en.wp or in other documents.

They are problematic in that they all link to [[Member of the British House of Commons|MP]], which is wrong in possibly every case. The MPe postnom for Parliament of England is possibly correct as a de facto earlier incarnation of the UK Parliament, but the other four are clearly wrong.

So I created some tracking categories (Category:Post-nominals/GBR: MPe etc, all cross-linked), but 72 hours after I edited the template, nothing has shown up. (Note: I screwed up my initial edit[4] by creating links to the categories, and have now fixed that[5] ... but any use would have created backlinks, of which there are none. So despite my error I got an answer).

So I propose to remove all 5 postnoms: MPe, MPi, MPni, MPs, MPw ... without prejudice to re-creating any of them for which there is later a relevant article to link to. Any thoughts? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @DBD, who added these postnoms in this edit[6] in 2013. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:23, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Tricky to remember eight years ago...! But I think you've inferred incorrectly. Because, for instance, there's never been a Parliament of Wales (until the Senedd name change last year, but I can't have intended that in 2013). I think my intention was for these to be used for Members of the Westminster Parliament representing constituencies of each nation. Would this template have automatically categorised them or something? DBD 09:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Aha! I didn't invent these post-noms; I imported them from /GBR-cats. As I thought, they categorise biographies by the nation of the MP's constituency. Since 2011: [7] DBD 09:11, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that diff and explanation, @DBD. I had forgotten that the use of post-nominals to categorise MPs was been disabled by me 2014, by this edit[8] explained at Template talk:Post-nominals/Archive_1#Categorisation_of_MPs_disabled. The categories in which it placed articles have since been reanmed and heavily sub-categorised. See e.g.

• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament for English constituencies moved → Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for English constituencies
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament for Scottish constituencies moved → Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for Scottish constituencies

Using the post-noms to categorise MPs would break the sub-categorisations scheme, so there's no way of bringing that back.

And since the whole thing is just an unused and ambiguously-labelled legacy of a long-abandoned categorisation scheme, it all should be removed. (I should probably have removed it back in 2014). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Aha. Agreed, then. DBD 19:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, @DBD. I will remove them now. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Per the discussion above, I have entirely removed from {{Post-nominals/GBR}} and {{Post-nominals/GBR-cats}} the entries for MPe, MPi, MPni, MPs and MPw.

I have also removed from {{Post-nominals/GBR-cats}} the categories for MP. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Edits: [9], [10], [11], [12]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate

Please add OMI. (Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate) It is a Roman Catholic designation used worldwide (including 60 or so countries with missions). Ex: https://www.alberta.ca/aoe-abbreviations-and-post-nominals.aspx#jumplinks-13 and some use in context: https://omi.com.au/oblates-in-australia. ·¤:•.°windjade.☼°.¤: 18:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 August 2021

Add NTF = NTF Maths11 (talk) 17:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. Please link to evidence that NTF is a valid post-nominal initialism. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 September 2021

Please add the postnominal FAAL:

| FAAL = [[Australian Academy of Law|FAAL]]

Thank you 203.221.57.154 (talk) 10:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done firefly ( t · c ) 11:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Commas in article preview

If the post-nominals are preceded by a comma, the comma shows up in the article preview, where it can mess up the grammar since the post-nominals themselves are hidden. Is there any way to fix this?

For example, the preview for Winston Churchill:

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill, was ...

from the article text:

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill, KG, OM, CH, TD, DL, FRS, RA (30 November 1874 – 24 January 1965) was ...

If another comma comes after, the preview will show two commas where there should be one. For example, the preview for H. H. Asquith:

Herbert Henry Asquith, 1st Earl of Oxford and Asquith,, generally known as H. H. Asquith, was ...

from the article text:

Herbert Henry Asquith, 1st Earl of Oxford and Asquith, KG, PC, KC, FRS (12 September 1852 – 15 February 1928), generally known as H. H. Asquith, was ...

Maybe we could add a parameter to this template to add a leading comma and space, so that Jane Smith{{post-nominals|size=100%|commas=on|leading-comma=on|PC|CC|OBE}} produces: Jane Smith, PC, CC, OBE

It looks like, under the hood, text is excluded from the article preview with the noexcerpt HTML class.

— W.andrea (talk) 20:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 October 2021

Please, change ‘Honorary Fellow of the Institute of Physics’ to ‘Honorary Fellows of the Institute of Physics’ to match the style of the RSC list. I have created the article with the list of awardees. Thanks, $swar$e • 🗣 • 🏲 10:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Just wondering why the RSC list doesn't appear in this template?

Never mind, I found it. I thought the list was in alphabetical order, but it's not quite. It's in sort of a semi- or almost-alphabetical order.

Anyway,  done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 13:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Fellow of the Royal School of Church Music

Could Fellow of the Royal School of Church Music (FRSCM) please be added to Template:Post-nominals/GBR? Thanks, 207.161.86.162 (talk) 03:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 00:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Volunteers

Hello, @Paine Ellsworth, I'd like to ask for Queen's Volunteer Reserves Medal to be added as post nominal -> QVRM. Coldstreamer20 (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

To editor Coldstreamer20:  done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 07:58, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much sir! Coldstreamer20 (talk) 17:06, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

It's my pleasure! Paine  07:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 29 December 2021

May I request that Churchill Fellow CF be added as post nominal. The Queen granted permission for this in 2019. CF in the Template currently directs to Order of Fiji, redirecting from Companion of The Order of Fiji. I think I am right to say that would apply to UK, Australia and New Zealand Jacksoncowes (talk) 12:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I am now aware that this exists in the Australian list but in it is not in the UK or NZ lists. Hope that is helpful Jacksoncowes (talk) 13:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC) Jacksoncowes (talk) 09:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 February 2022

Add:

| MSP = [[Member of the Scottish Parliament|MSP]]

Alex (talk) 17:05, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

It's already an option. DrKay (talk) 17:17, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 13 February 2022

Add:

I refer to my request of 29 December 2021. In 2019 The Queen granted permission for Churchill Fellows to use the post-nominal honorific CF. This permission applied to awards granted by the Winston Churchill Memorial Trusts of the UK, Australia and New Zealand. The post-nominal list for New Zealand includes the 'CF' honorific for Churchill Fellows. In the list for Australia (AUS) it does not exist and in the UK (GBR) list 'CF' refers to Companions of the Order of Fiji.

Jacksoncowes (talk) 20:13, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

To editor Jacksoncowes: to confirm:

• United Kingdom = CF → Companion of the Order of Fiji Churchill Fellow
• Fiji = CF → Order of Fiji
• New Zealand = CF → Churchill Fellow (added to /NZL documentation page)
• Australia = CF → Churchill Fellow (added to /AUS and documentation pages)

Don't understand why permission would be granted to use an honorific that is already being used for a Fijian honor? What do you suggest we do with the UK? P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 03:23, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

As it's a Fijian order and the Manual of Style (and etiquette) are against using post-nominals for foreign awards, the Order of Fiji can be removed from any GBR instances and the parameter replaced with the fellowship. DrKay (talk) 08:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

In the List of post-nominal letters (United Kingdom) CF = Churchill Fellow, not Companion of the Order of Fiji. In Template:Post-nominals there is a specific data template for Fiji which shows

{{post-nominals|country=FJI|CF|OF|MF|MOF}} shows as CF OF MF MOF

It seems straightforward to me that 'CF' should remain in the Template:Post-nominals/FJI indicating Companion of the Order of Fiji and the Template:Post-nominals/GBR be amended to show 'CF' as Churchill Fellow. 'OF', 'MF' and 'MOF' mean nothing without the 'country=FIJI' code added. 'CF'is out of step. Adding 'CF', referring to Order of Fiji and not to Churchill Fellow, to the Template:Post-nominals/GBR was an error.

My simple request is that error be corrected. Jacksoncowes (talk) 09:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 15:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

References

The new PLY post-nominal by the IPC

Is it possible to add PLY into this template? The PLY post-nominal was recently created by the IPC in a similar manner of use as the OLY post-nominal created by the IOC a couple years ago. The OLY post-nominal is already a part of the template and is used in pages like the current IOC president Thomas Bach. -boldblazer 02:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 2 April 2022

Please Add "| ECA = [[Executive Council of Alberta|ECA]]" to the Canadian list of post-nominals.

This was introduced with Alberta's Bill 1, which received royal assent on Mar 24. All members and (living) former members of the Executive Council now have these letters. It's analogous to "PC" at the federal level. Indefatigable (talk) 00:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC).

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 April 2022

Could Fellow of the Library Association (FLA) please be added to the British subpage? Thanks, Graham (talk) 05:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 17:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 April 2022

I'd like to request the following changes to Template:Post-nominals/CAN

-Btss subtitle change from #Baronetesses to #Baronetess
-Removal of extra spaces after C.F.A.
-Addition of 'A de C' (with spaces) for Aide-de-Camp to the governor general and lieutenant governors, 'ECNS' for members of the Executive Council of Nova Scotia, 'OH' for the Order of Hamilton, 'QHN' (Queen's Honorary Nurse; a variant of QHNS), and 'QPO'.
| A de C = [[Aide-de-camp#Canada|A de C]]
| ECNS = [[Executive Council of Nova Scotia|ECNS]]
| OH = [[Order of Hamilton|OH]]
| QHN = [[Medical Household|QHN]]
| QPO = [[Monarchy of Canada#Federal residences and royal household|QPO]]

2605:B100:102:970A:784B:8BDD:DF34:A93A (talk) 12:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 04:28, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Linnean Society PN

As one can no longer add these themselves, I would like to request the addition of HonMLS, HonFLS, FMLS, FFLS, PLS and ALS, to be linked to Linnean Society of London#Membership. I am looking to add these to the articles of the respective individuals (where they exist), certainly for the first three - which numbers ~60 fl. UaMaol (talk) 21:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 23 July 2022

Please add AdE awarded in Quebec and CS awarded in Ontario:

| AdE = [[Bar of Quebec|AdE]]
| Ad.E. = [[Bar of Quebec|Ad.E.]]
| CS = [[Law Society of Ontario|CS]]
| C.S. = [[Law Society of Ontario|C.S.]]

2605:B100:111:23BA:90A9:E95A:BA2E:4AB5 (talk) 03:42, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 01:38, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Remove custom parameters

It seems prudent to remove the list unlinked and post-noms parameters entirely, primarily to combat embellishment in the form of non-existent post-nominal letters. Case in point: just now I removed the imaginary "RON" (Order of Orange-Nassau) post-nominals from some 26 articles, all of which utilized this template with the aforementioned parameters. Removing the ability to use this template to create custom post-nominals ensures better quality control (though it won't prevent editors from simply circumventing this template, of course). It also means that requests for the inclusion of additional post-nominal letters will also have to go through these talk pages, which makes it easier to scrutinize them. Jay D. Easy (t • c) 22:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 3 September 2022

To improve upon my earlier suggestion of removing customized linking parameters entirely, I suggest we track pages using these parameters instead:

{{#if:{{{unlinked|{{{list|{{{post-noms|}}}}}}}}}|[[Category:Pages using Template:Post-nominals with customized linking]]}}

Jay D. Easy (t • c) 23:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Add Linnean Society of London (FLS) to Canada 28 September 2022

Canadians can be members of the fellowship and thus add the FLS honorific. Right now FLS can only be used for country=GBR.

One example would be Nancy Turner (Bio: https://www.uvic.ca/socialsciences/environmental/people/faculty/emeritus/turnernancy.php) — Preceding unsigned comment added by F3ndot (talk • contribs) 06:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

 Note: If possible please make required changes to Template:Post-nominals/sandbox — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done - please reactivate after sandboxed and tested. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit request 29 September 2022

Description of suggested change: Changing the links from "Queen" to "King" following Elizabeth II's passing to avoid redirects.

Diff:

−

Queen

+

King

LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 00:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done @LilianaUwU: it is not clear exactly what you want edited, the page you linked to does not contain that text. Please make any changes in the relevant sandbox, test, post the diff here, then reactivate the edit request. If this is just meant to be a discussion of how someone else can improve the template, please continue discussing below. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Handling of "and Bar"

How should multiple instances of same award be handled ? GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 29 September 2022

I’d like to request the addition of the following missing post-nominals used in Canada: FRCMT, OMI, PLY, FLS

| FRCMT = [[The Royal Conservatory of Music|FRCMT]]
| FRCMT(hon) = [[The Royal Conservatory of Music|FRCMT(''hon'')]]
| FLS = [[Linnean Society of London#Membership|FLS]]
| HonFLS = [[Linnean Society of London#Membership|HonFLS]]
| OMI = [[Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate|OMI]]
| PLY = [[Paralympic symbols#Post-nominal|PLY]]

2605:B100:12D:7902:4CE0:883C:6F42:111D (talk) 14:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:44, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 October 2022

Hello, I would like to request that for Template:Post-nominals/AUS (and perhaps any other commonwealth nation's post nominal template) that the two instances of:

| QC     = [[Queen's Counsel|QC]]

be changed to:

| QC     = [[King's Counsel|KC]]

because the two post-nominals are mutually exclusive and ever since the Queen's passing, all QCs are now KCs.

- Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 11:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

It'll have to be a separate parameter because if the article subject died before the Queen, they wouldn't be a KC (unless they were one before she acceded). DrKay (talk) 18:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

References

Template-protected edit request on 1 October 2022

It is necessary to add the post-nominal of KC (Hon) (counterpart of QC (Hon)) for the UK (and other relevant commonwealth countries) following the Queen's death. I propose the following in line with existing templates for QC (Hon):

| KC(Hon) = [[King's Counsel Honoris Causa|KC (Hon)]]
| KC (Hon.) = [[King's Counsel Honoris Causa|KC (Hon.)]]

2,4-dinitrophenylhydrazone (talk) 15:42, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Honorary medical

Post-nominals need to be added for the King versions of the honorary medical appointments.

Current post-noms (to keep):

| QHDS   = [[Honorary Dental Surgeon to The Queen|QHDS]]
| QHNS   = [[Honorary Nursing Sister to The Queen|QHNS]]
| QHP    = [[Honorary Physician to The Queen|QHP]]
| QHS    = [[Honorary Surgeon to The Queen|QHS]]

New post-noms to add:

| KHDS   = [[Honorary Dental Surgeon to The King|KHDS]]
| KHNS   = [[Honorary Nursing Sister to The King|KHNS]]
| KHP    = [[Honorary Physician to The King|KHP]]
| KHS    = [[Honorary Surgeon to The King|KHS]]

Please, Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 15:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

To editor Gaia Octavia Agrippa: and what should be done with the existing:

| KHS    = [[Knight of the Holy Sepulchre|KHS]]

? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 23:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Good question, Paine Ellsworth. I first wondered if

| KHSm    = [[Honorary Surgeon to The King|KHS]] 

would work (m being for medical) but m could also be for "military" (as in the Military Order of the Holy Sepulchre) or for medieval. So perhaps it's best to move the current KHS to

| KHSc    = [[Knight of the Holy Sepulchre|KHS]]

(as in c for Catholic). Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 23:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

If the existing KHS is altered, then all instances of its usage will have to be found and altered, too. I'm not sure how to do that. Maybe it's better to use the KHSm, which at this point has no other usage, military, medieval or otherwise. But I could be wrong, I'm no expert. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 01:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Honorary Surgeon to The King does not exist as an article or a redirect, and the article that would presumably be its destination, Medical Household, is an unsourced mess. Is there evidence in reliable sources that the proposed post-nominals or the "Q" versions are actually used? Maybe they should all just be deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:24, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

There're also Honorary Dental Surgeon to The King & Honorary Nursing Sister to The King. Feel free to reopen this request by entering |answered=no when this has all been reconciled. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 06:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

New post-nominal proposed for FRSV

The Royal Society of Victoria began electing Fellows in 1995. It would be helpful to have their post-nom FRSV added. Oronsay (talk) 02:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect pre-nominal

I don't know where-else to say this.

I look at The Gazette (https://thegazette.co.uk/awards-and-accreditation/content/103372).

Only GBE, KBE, DBE can have the title Sir or Dame

I see plenty of instances where a CBE has a title, for instance Alan Parker CBE, but should not one. 49.147.195.186 (talk) 00:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Is Sir Alan a knight bachelor in addition to being a CBE? According to Knight Bachelor § Criteria, this is a common situation. Indefatigable (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Knighted in the 2002 NY honours, according to the article. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:41, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. This confuses a lot of people, who insist on adding KBE to Knights Bachelor, not realising that this honour carries a pre-title but not a postnom. Many people are in fact Sir Whatsit Whatsit CBE, or just Sir Whatsit Whatsit without any postnom at all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

FCILT

Could FCILT (Fellow of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport) be added. Wanted for Adrian Shooter (1948‒2022). —Sladen (talk) 12:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Use of Knight Bachelor in Australia

I was just looking at Robert Madgwick who has a Knight Bachelor under the previous system but Kt is not supported by the AUS template. Gusfriend (talk) 06:31, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

See Knight Bachelor#Honorifics and post-nominal letters. DrKay (talk) 08:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

In which case why is it supported for the GBR version of the template? Gusfriend (talk) 09:10, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Automatically assigning categories

Has any thought been given to having the template automatically add an article to the corresponding category for each award that has one defined? So, for example, {{post-nominals|country=AUS|AC}} would result in the article being placed in Category:Companions of the Order of Australia. Worth the effort? — Archer1234 (t·c) 12:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Is that what the "-cats" (AUS-cats, CAN-cats, FJI-cats, GBR-cats, and USA-cats) are for? Seems like it might be easier to have the default be to assign to the appropriate category by default (if it is specified in the country data), but then offer a |nocat= option to suppress for situations where it is not used in a biography article for the person. — Archer1234 (t·c) 18:06, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Utterly terrible idea. No template should automatically add anything. We've had endless problems with templates doing that. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:58, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. Other than editors specifying the incorrect values for parameters, what other new problems might we anticipate with this approach? One that occurs to me is that the switching costs to change the default behavior may not be worth the cost. Specifically, all of the non-biography articles that use {{post-nominals}} would need to be changed to turn off the auto-categorization. I am not sure how we would identify those uses, not only prior to such a change, but also tracking after the change. So even if we were able to work through non-biography articles to add something like a |nocat= option, unless we have an easy way to track it ongoing, we might see a slow creep of mis-categorization of articles. That might be enough of an issue to militate against this. — Archer1234 (t·c) 19:45, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

@Necrothesp: can you give us examples of things gone wrong? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

The problem with templates automatically adding articles to categories is that you can't edit the categories that are added (I particularly remember one infobox template that added articles to every category it could think of, even if it added articles to both a category and its subcats - it was a nightmare as this then couldn't be edited and an enthusiastic editor had added it to hundreds of articles). Frankly, this is a really bad idea, as it takes control away from the editors. It should be avoided at all costs. It's also completely unnecessary. Pure function creep. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:32, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 24 January 2023 -- Canadian Forces' Decoration

For the post-nominals CD and C.D., the link for "Canadian Forces Decoration" has changed to Canadian Forces' Decoration with an apostrophe, so that needs to be changed here.

Diff:

−

Canadian Forces Decoration

+

Canadian Forces' Decoration

-- Blairall (talk) 00:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done — Template:Post-nominals/CAN was already linking to the correct location, but Template:Post-nominals/CAN-cats was not. I have changed Template:Post-nominals/CAN-cats.

However, Template:Post-nominals/GBR needs to be updated (see, for example, Prince Andrew, Duke of York who has CD in his post-nominals, with |country= set to GBR), but I do not have the right permissions to make that change. So, need some help with this one.

Template:Post-nominals/GBR-cats was missing entries for both CD and C.D.. I do have permissions to edit there, so I added them and ensured that they link to Canadian Forces' Decoration. — Archer1234 (t·c) 05:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done Template:Post-nominals/GBR — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:58, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Please document the "cats" data templates

There doesn't seem to be any explanation for the "cats" data templates, so could someone please add one? I had to search through the archives to find what seems to be the explanation: articles using post-nominals with "cats" are automatically added to the categories for each post-nominal.
— W.andrea (talk) 20:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Knight Bachelor

'Kt' Should really be removed, It's not an official post nominal [13], and even the Society of Knights Bachelor have removed the 'Kt' reference entirely from it's website [14]. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 06:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC) Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 06:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Just because it is no longer an official post-nominal does not mean that it is retroactively invalidated. For example, I am pretty sure Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig will still be considered one. Primefac (talk) 08:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Primefac The award of Knight Bachelor has never had a post-nominal. The Society of Knights Bachelor did have its members us 'Kt' for a period of time, but this has since ceased. The UK government (citation in the request) still maintains no post-nominal for the award.

Also, I could not find a reference that Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig was made a Knight Bachelor, unless you're mistaking his 'KT' (Knight of the Thistle) for the unofficial 'Kt' (Knight Bachelor), if you did make that mistake, then you've just proven my point that Wikipedia should entirely cease using unofficial made up post-nationals in a list of official post-nominals. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 15:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Although this is absolutely true, we do need to retain "Kt" for use in some unusual circumstances such as Diarmaid MacCulloch, who was appointed Knight Bachelor but really shouldn't have been given he is an Anglican clergyman and therefore does not use the title (he should really have been appointed KBE). -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Necrothesp Fair call, although at the moment it's very widely used. A way around this, for unusual circumstances could be to change the result from 'Kt' to '(Kt)', that way its more of an encyclopedic note than something that can be mistaken for a post nominal. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 16:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

I definitely don't agree with that. But is it really widely used? I've seen it very rarely (and removed it in almost all cases where I have; MacCulloch being, I think, the only exception). I do agree with you that it's irritating. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

To say the Imperial Society of Knights Bachelor "removed the 'Kt' reference entirely from it's website" is incorrect: [15]. The post-nom Kt is only ever used when the award would otherwise be invisible (clergyman, higher knighthood, peerage etc); see these obituaries. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 13:42, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not generally used even then. It should not be used if someone later goes on to be awarded another knighthood, baronetcy or peerage. Any more than we list a CB and/or KCB if someone later goes on to become a GCB. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

It's either not used or it is, there is no in-between. If there is someone who has this designation, then it should be in the template. If there is not a single person that has this designation, then we should remove it. This is basically a yes or no question, and from what I'm hearing above it seems to be a "yes" even if it's rarely used. (please do not ping on reply) Primefac (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I'm moving towards removing it. If it absolutely has to be added to an article then it can be added manually. But removing it from the template will get rid of many of those wrongly added by people who don't understand postnominals at one fell swoop. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

For the record, I will go with whatever consensus designates, I just want to make sure there is due diligence that something isn't being removed that shouldn't be. Primefac (talk) 19:42, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

There seems to be only a single article that falls into the gap of needing it, beyond that it has no official status outside of a single private organisation (similar to the Venerable Order of St John in Australia). Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 22:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

There is historic and recent use of the post-nom "Kt" recorded in Hansard [16]. From 1922: The Honourable Sir William Vincent, Kt., K.C.S.I. and The Honourable Sir William Vincent, Kt., K.C.S.I.. From 1930: Henry Gollan referred to as Sir H. C. Gollan, Kt., C.B.E., K.C.. From 2004: The number of men with the post-nominal letters: "Kt, CBE" exceeds those who are simply "KBE" (because their KBE has subsumed their CBE). 2016: Nicholas Stern, Baron Stern of Brentford is referred to as Lord Stern of Brentford, Kt, PBA, FRS. Just a few examples to show it is not made up, Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 13:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Be that as it may, the British Government has also made it clear (original request citation) that the award carries no post nominals, if and since it’s not officially sanctioned and arguably never has been, then my opinion is that it should it be used. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 15:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Quite. Has it ever been used? Yes, certainly. Is it commonly used? No, not at all. Has it ever been? No. Should we use it? No. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:56, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I feel like for the most part more agree than not, and facts of its illegitimacy means it should be removed from all post nominal templates immediately. I agree that it can be kept on Diarmaid MacCulloch, added separately as a super rare scenario and I won’t remove it. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 16:39, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Not done for now I have disabled the request because I am not sure what the conclusion of the discussion or if there is consensus for this change or not — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

The consensus is very much there to remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nford24 (talk • contribs) 05:41, February 4, 2023 (UTC)

Well let's see... one editor, yourself wants it removed, another editor, Primefac, will "go with whatever consensus designates", another, Gaia Octavia Agrippa, appears to fairly strongly oppose this proposal, and editor Necrothesp, who is "moving towards removing it" moves so somewhat more closely in a later post. If there is consensus to remove, it does appear to be quite a rough one, so please do not reactivate this request until a firmer, less rough agreement emerges. Your avid rebuttals are appreciated, so please continue to garner consensus, as other editors might still come and be swayed, one way or the other. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 15:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Most certainly you already know this, so just a gentle reminder that you can advertise this discussion just about anywhere you want on Wikipedia as long as you do so in a neutral way per WP:CAN. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 17:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

It’s literally fake nonsense, with references to prove It. what more do you want? I give up. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 23:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 6 February 2023

Please add the following missing post-nominals to the post-nominals/CAN template:

| EV = [[Episcopal Vicar|EV]]
| CSM = [[Meritorious Service Cross|CSM]] (used in French)
| KHC = [[Honorary Chaplain to the King|KHC]]
| KHDS = [[Monarchy of Canada#Federal residences and royal household|KHDS]]
| KPM = [[King's Police Medal|KPM]]
| KHN = [[Medical Household|KHN]]
| KHNS = [[Medical Household|KHNS]]
| KPO = [[Monarchy of Canada#Federal residences and royal household|KPO]]
| KHP = [[Monarchy of Canada#Federal residences and royal household|KHP]]
| KHS = [[Medical Household|KHS]]

– Handoto (talk) 23:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

In how wide of use is "EV" for episcopal vicars? I know "VG" is sometimes used by vicars general, but I'm not sure that "EV" is a standard usage. Graham (talk) 06:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

You are right about "VG" for vicars general, while "EV" (or "E.V.") is in standard usage that applies to all episcopal vicars in archdioceses across Canada. – Handoto (talk) 21:03, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Do you know of any sources that discuss this usage? Graham (talk) 21:16, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

"CSM" shouldn't be needed as this is an English-language encyclopedia. As we can see here and here, for example, the language of the post-nominal letters doesn't depend on the language of the recipient but rather on the language in which they are being used. Graham (talk) 23:20, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, all of the other proposals seem to be already in the template in the forms with "Queen" rather than "King", so it makes sense to add the "King" versions. Graham (talk) 23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

 Partly edited – all but the first two, EV and CSM, have been added. EV and CSM have been questioned and can be added when consensus allows. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 11:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 8 February 2023

Academicians of the Royal West of England Academy:

The RWA is one of five Royal Academies of Great Britain and Ireland. It is an independent body of up to 150 practicing artists, known as Academicians, who are elected by their peers.

New post-noms to add:

| RWA    = [[Royal West of England Academy|RWA]]
| PRWA    = [[Royal West of England Academy|PRWA]]
| PPRWA    = [[Royal West of England Academy|PPRWA]]
| VPRWA    = [[Royal West of England Academy|VPRWA]]
| HonRWA    = [[Royal West of England Academy|HonRWA]]

Corresponding to the positions below (with abbreviated forms in brackets):

• Royal West of England Academician (RWA Academician)
• President of the Royal West of England Academy (President of the RWA)
• Past President of the Royal West of England Academy (Past President of the RWA)
• Vice-President of the Royal West of England Academy (Vice-President of the RWA)
• Honorary Royal West of England Academician (Honorary RWA Academician)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtDataArt (talk • contribs) 14:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

To editor ArtDataArt: see you've already added these to the /GBR/doc page with the exception of the VPRWA. Was the veep left out intentionally? See also the list of post-nominal letters (United Kingdom)#Fellowship or membership of learned societies, academies or professional institutions, where apparently, these also need to be added? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 12:13, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks @Paine Ellsworth for catching that accidental omission. The VPRWA has now been added to /GBR/doc, where I've also added the ARWA (even though the associate membership has been recently discontinued, many historical academicians since 1844 had, and died with, this membership type). Many thanks for pointing me to list of post-nominal letters (United Kingdom)#Fellowship or membership of learned societies, academies or professional institutions, I've added all six membership types to that list as well.

May the ARWA post-nom be added to this request, for:

| ARWA = [[Royal West of England Academy|ARWA]]

for:

• Associate of the Royal West of England Academy

Thank you, ArtDataArt (talk) 10:54, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

 Completed and thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 11:28, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 19 February 2023: MCIfA

Description of suggested change: Please add MCIfA, Member of the Chartered Institute for Archaeologists. Currently needed in the article Chloë Duckworth, but could also be used in articles such as Stewart Ainsworth which currently doesn't use the template.

PamD 23:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 08:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 24 February 2023

'PC' currently points to 'Privy Council of the United Kingdom', should be 'Privy Council (United Kingdom)'. Let me know if I'm missing something. skakEL 18:57, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Privy Council of the United Kingdom redirects to the article. Not sure what you think you're missing here. Perhaps WP:NOTBROKEN? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 01:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Proposal: Moving post-nominals from lead sentences to article bodies

An RM that will be of interest to editors here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 10 April 2023

The use of this template on user/draft pages can incorrectly add those pages in article categories. Could this template be changed so that the categories are only added for articles? Maybe with the use of {{main other}}? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Which article categories? The two categories in the template today are maintenance categories, for which it is generally seen as valid to categorize drafts into. Izno (talk) 18:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Izno: Sorry for not providing an example:

• User:SDZeroBot/GAN sorting contains {{post-nominals|country=AUS-cats|OM|FRS|FRCP}}, which adds the page to Categories: Australian members of the Order of Merit, Australian Fellows of the Royal Society, and Australian Fellows of the Royal College of Physicians.

Note that my use of the template on this page also incorrectly categorizes this page. Thanks for your consideration. GoingBatty (talk) 20:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Just use {{post-nominals|country=AUS|OM|FRS|FRCP}}. DrKay (talk) 20:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Removed template from my previous comment to remove incorrect categorization. GoingBatty (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah, are we good now? :) Izno (talk) 21:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Izno: Yes, thank you. GoingBatty (talk) 15:54, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 23 April 2023

A typo has been introduced into the template, with the post-nominals for the Air Efficiency Award currently displaying as "AEc". The "c" is a typo and is not part of the post-nominals for this award. Would someone please remove the "c"?

Diff:

−

AE= [[Air Efficiency Award|AE]]c

+

AE= [[Air Efficiency Award|AE]]

Abraham, B.S. (talk) 02:16, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

To the template editor, the typo is in Template:Post-nominals/GBR.  — Archer1234 (t·c) 03:15, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 6 May 2023

Is it possible to add: AIM = AIM BoonDock (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 22:53, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Could you add it to the Template:Post-nominals/AUS-cats as well? BoonDock (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

my pleasure! So, editor BoonDock, /AUS-cats is unprotected. Any reason why you can't take care of that yourself? Be sure to add AIM to both the template and its /doc page. Let me know if you have any trouble. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 01:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Sure. Just being a little careful seeing as I don't want to step on any toes. BoonDock (talk) 06:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

SC Confusion

Hi, Could someone please take a careful look at the Postnoms for "SC". In the Template:Post-nominals/AUS file, SC is Senior Council and in the Template:Post-nominals/AUS-cats SC is Star of Courage (Australia). in Template:Post-nominals/AUS, SoC is the Star of Courage (Australia). Picked this up on Gail Archer from the [[Category:Recipients of the Star of Courage (Australia)]]

• Template:Post-nominals/AUS
  • SC (SC)
  • (SoC)

• Template:Post-nominals/AUS-cats
  • SC (SC)
  • (SoC)

BoonDock (talk) 18:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

In the /AUS, the Star is now at "SoC". Again, let me know if you have any trouble with the /AUS-cats edits. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 01:23, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Paine Ellsworth & BoonDock, The postnominal for the Star of Courage is (SC) not (SoC), see [17] and [18]. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 01:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Should be fixed now, editor Nford24. /AUS-cats does not have an entry for "Senior Counsel", so that template has not been changed. /AUS has been changed back, and "SC" now refers to the Star of Courage, while the "Senior Counsel" code is now "SrC". The Gail Archer lede has also been updated. If this is not the best way to handle the ambiguity, then let me know. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 04:11, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I messed up and changed the Gail Archer article before checking here.

The problem is (was) that before SC in the AUS template gave you the correct postnom of SC linked to Senior Council, and SoC gave you the correct postnom of SC linked to Star of Courage. Your change has made it worse because now you have SrC as a postnom which is incorrect.

I'm not going to re-correct my change on Gail Archer until this is sorted.

Thanks for your help. BoonDock (talk) 06:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I never said it was I said the postnom for BOTH is SC, but the code in the template for Senior Council is SC, the code for Star of Courage is SoC, and both produce a postnom of SC. I thought I was clear, obviously not. Sorry  BoonDock (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 15 June 2023

change KHC = KHC to KHC = KHC Dormskirk (talk) 12:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 18 July 2023

For post-nominals/CAN template, please add the following missing fellowships:

| FRCGP = [[Royal College of General Practitioners|FRCGP]]
| FCFPC = [[College of Family Physicians of Canada|FCFPC]]
| FCFPC(hon) = [[College of Family Physicians of Canada|FCFPC(''hon'')]]

2605:B100:137:FD54:7456:5DA5:C703:2272 (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:43, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

GBR/FSA does not appear to work

As in title: {{post-nominals|GBR|FSA}} produces (a blank space as I see it), as does {{post-nominals|GBR-cats|FSA}}. However, FSA (Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries) is given on the documentation page as a valid argument. I'd echo the suggestion made a couple of months ago by SMcCandlish that unknown parameters should simply be passed as plaintext or red links. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 11:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

{{post-nominals|country=GBR|FSA}} works for me.  — Archer1234 (t·c) 11:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

D'oh - thanks. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 11:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Why is this dropping entries?

This template is unhelpfully hiding entries it doesn't have special code for. It should just present them as plain text. E.g. {{postnom|FLSW}} produces output of: "". That's a "user-hateful" behavior.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:25, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

And it should actually be producing a link like "FLSW", since there's an entry in the /GBR subtemplate for FLSW. Not sure what the bug is there.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:41, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Maybe use the proper template

{{post-nominals|country=GBR|FLSW}}

instead of

{{postnom|FLSW}}

to actually get the result you want. 2605:B100:120:9737:805A:C1AD:A0CE:8FE (talk) 12:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 4 October 2023

The MP post-nominal redirects to the House of Commons. It should instead redirect to the Member of Parliament (Canada) page as that’s what MP post-nominal stands for. 2605:B100:120:9737:805A:C1AD:A0CE:8FE (talk) 12:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Elli (talk | contribs) 19:53, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 18 November 2023

The link to the document "THE ORDER OF WEARING AUSTRALIAN HONOURS AND AWARDS" is dead. The URL has changed to: https://www.pmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/resource/download/wearing-awards-order-of-wearing.pdf

Nothing else has changed, including the date of the document that follows the link. SCHolar44 (talk) 07:15, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: {{edit template-protected}} is usually not required for edits to the documentation or categories of templates using a documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Done. thank you for your advice, * Pppery *. – SCHolar44 (talk) 22:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 14 December 2023

Description of suggested change:

Would like the template to take account of the ambiguous UK post-nominal "FRAS", for Fellowship of the Royal __Astronomical__ Society and Fellowship of the Royal __Asiatic__ Society. Please bear with me if I'm mistaken but I understand this is usually handled by creating 'pseudo-acronyms' which have, say, a letter added, which Wiki parses to the actual intended tag? E.g. FRSCa maps to FRSC "Fellowship of the Royal Society of Canada" rather than FRSC "Fellowship of the Royal Society of Chemistry". Hope this makes sense - thank you for bearing with a relative newbie! 2A02:C7C:4616:9100:B8F9:5E06:97DB:E74 (talk) 14:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Using FRAsS (the second letter of the extra word for consistency with FRAeS -> Fellow of the Royal __Aeronautical__ Society. I find it ridiculous that there are apparently three different post-nomimals abbreviated FRAS, but whatever. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:25, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 April 2024

Requested change:

From: | ADC = [[Aide de Camp#United Kingdom|ADC]]
To: | ADC = [[Aide de Camp#The Royal Household|ADC]]

Aide de Camp#United Kingdom discusses aides-de-camp in general, most of whom don't receive a post-nominal.
Aide de Camp#The Royal Household is specifically about aides-de-camp to the monarch, who are the ones who get the post-nominal. Dan Bloch (talk) 06:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 3 May 2024

Can someone please change:

from PC = Privy Council of the United Kingdom

to PC = Privy Council (United Kingdom)

HandsomeFella (talk) 06:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request: Gibraltar

Would someone mind adding support for the country Gibraltar (country code GIB).

The only post-nominals I'm aware of within Gibraltar are MP, for Members of the Gibraltar Parliament. Currently some pages use the UK's MP post-nominal, which is inappropriate in cases where the post-nominal is due to membership of the Gibraltar Parliament. My current workaround is {{post-nominals|country=GIB|size=100%|list=[[Member of parliament|MP]]|MP}}. Recollect4741 (talk) 15:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

This would require creating Template:Post-nominals/GIB (compare Template:Post-nominals/GBR), which does not require any advanced permissions. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank You, I've done that now Recollect4741 (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 9 June 2024

There's no option for the postnom FRSA for Canada. It should be above FRSC. Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 02:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The Royal Society of Arts is international and uses the same post nominal globally (I am a fellow). Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 03:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Either way, {{post-nominals|country=CAN|FRSA}} doesn't display anything. Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 14:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

 Completed – {{post-nominals|country=CAN|FRSA}} → FRSA. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 02:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 16 July 2024

for the British Empire, include the option ICS for Indian Civil Service. example on M. R. Sachdev. Juwan (talk) 03:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Surely that's an organization not a post-nominal? DrKay (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

"For loop" error

This template is causing a "Template loop detected" error at Portal:Maldives/Selected_articles#Selected_articles_13. @Pppery: you may be able to help, or perhaps to determine that it doesn't really matter. – Fayenatic London 09:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm inclined to not care - that page is extremely obscure and the error won't show up if the entry gets selected to be transcluded onto the base portal. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)