Talk:Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life

"Move" war

May I suggest that, instead of having an edit war over the title by renaming and moving the article, you discuss the changes here first? At least a rational discussion will prevent any double redirects. MelicansMatkin (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Please refer to the Manual of Style (third point) as to reason why I moved it. This section applies for body texts, as well as for article titles. Do not move the article as it goes against the manual of style. --staka (T) 22:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

"へ" is he. it is not "e". the Hiragana for e is "え". The title is "超克の時空へ" (Chōkoku no Jikū he) not "超克の時空え" (Chōkoku no Jikū e) the Manual of Style is incorrect. (O'erTheRampardos (talk) 23:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC))

The object of opening up a discussion is to discuss any potential changes before making them, not stating your point and then making the changes anyways. Bring something that backs up your claim so that it can be assessed. I've moved the pages back for now as Chōkoku no Jikū e fits with the stated Wikipedia policy. If you have any source that contradicts this, bring it forwards so that a discussion can be held instead of an edit war with a farce of a discussion on the sidelines. MelicansMatkin (talk) 23:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but I've moved the article before opening up a discussion so I just stated a reason as to why I moved it. Do you know what "particle" means? --staka (T) 00:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the "'e' or 'he'", I'd suggest to read the following section about it in the article for Japanese particles. If you listen to the trailer, you can hear the narrator say "Chōkoku no Jikū e" pretty clearly. --Nyoo (talk) 10:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm Japanese. In this case "e" is right. We pronounce へ "he" generally, but pronounce it "e" here.--Child-Dream (talk) 04:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Being Japanese doesn't help much in this type of discussions. As for I am also Japanese, it didn't help improve the discussion until I supported it with the manual of style and such.. --staka (T) 18:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• Do all Japanese pronounce this particle "he" as "e", or do dialects differ? I thought that during the American occupation of Japan there was a spelling reform of kana spellimgs and kana spelling was made phonetic: e.g. before that, "chō" meaning "butterfly" was spelled in kana as "tefu", but it is now spelled phonetically. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Arceus

there is some stuff wrong in the article one day i saw a video on youtube and some people says that arceus will appear in the movie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.239.0.61 (talk) 01:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Arceus has not officially been announced as having a role in this film. It's more than likely, but until there is confirmation of this, it can't be included. For more information on why, you can refer to Wikipedia's policies on original research and crystalballery. MelicansMatkin (talk) 02:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Currently, it's more of a rumour created by fans than original research. Well isn't the statement "The scene also shows a phenomenon resembling a solar eclipse in the background - a possible reference to the solar eclipse of July 22, 2009 with its maximum over the Bonin Islands south of Japan." also an original research? It has been there since the first or the second day the article has been created. Should we delete or just add {{fact}}? --staka (T) 18:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd say to remove it; generally the {{fact}} tag is added where the information has been mentioned before by a reliable source, and the source just hasn't been cited. Nowhere have the producers/writers/animators/etc mentioned that there is any correlation between the two, and so it is entirely original research. I'll remove the statement now. MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Well that's quite a pity. I guess I'll think twice before I add interesting information to an article and better publish it somewhere else. The thing about Arceus really is speculation, I agree - there's no confirmation on whether it's true or not as of yet. Can't really agree about the solar eclipse reference, though, as the sentence didn't claim it to be fact or confirmed. But I understand why it was removed. --Nyoo (talk) 02:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I did try to leave in the main part regarding the eclipse; only the reference to the upcoming event in Japan was removed because it's unsourceable. The key word in there was "possible", which makes the sentence indisputedly original research. If there were a reliable source out there that clearly states the eclipse in the film is a reference to the one in July, then by all means it can be added back in; it's all part of the editing process and though it's undoubtedly interesting (I didn't know there was an eclipse until I read it here), it just can't be sourced. You shouldn't have to "think twice" about adding in information either; again, it's all part of the editing process. Sometimes additions get removed, sometimes they get changed, and sometimes they stay. MelicansMatkin (talk) 05:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

See! Arseus will appear and so will heatran. You cann't say it isn't official since the creaters of the movie have anounced that they will both appear. Though I'm not sure if Cressilia will appear since she and Phione wil be the only ones not in a movie(not including Raikui) but the first trial of the movie still shows Cressilia so it still maybe possible.

CoroCoro

CoroCoro has officially revealed Arceus, and also stated that it will be in To the Conquering of Space-Time. --70.245.187.27 (talk) 03:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Translation

超克の時空 means "Space-time of the overcoming(conquering)". Why "Conquering of Space-Time"?

I'm in the same boat. This title makes very little sense to me. "Conquering of Space-Time" makes sense in English, but that's definitely not what this title is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.151.154.212 (talk) 08:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Here's what you get if you break the Japanese down word-by-word:

劇場版 - gekijouban - "movie version"

ポケットモンスター - poketto monsutaa - "Pokemon"

ダイヤモンド - daiyamondo - "diamond"

パール - paaru - "pearl"

アルセウス - aruseusu - "Arceus"

超克 - choukoku - "conquering"

の - no - "of" (but the order of the words is reversed vs English, so AのB = the B of A

時空 - gekijou - "space-time"

へ - e - "to"

So, literally, we have "movie version: Pokemon Diamond & Pearl: to space-time of Arceus conquering". Or, more figuratively: "Pokemon Diamond and Pearl The Movie: To the Space-Time of Arceus's Conquest". I really think that that would be a more accurate translation of the Japanese MultipleMonomials (talk) 07:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Last Movie

I was just wondering, is this the last movie of the series?? I mean, things that don't ussualy happen in the distribution of the film has happened. Since when would Universal Studios promote a Pokemon movie around the world?? The only subject I could think about for a next movie, would be the question wheter Mew or Arceus would be the first existing Pokemon. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 12:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Impossible to know but highly unlikely. WP:OR, WP:CRYSTAL. MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

American Release

I don't know what this source is, and there isn't any proof. I think that if it is true, there should be a reference —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.98.212 (talk) 00:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

November 2009 (US)???

How do you guys know that this movie is going to release in November 2009? Is there any proof or source? This is against the community guidelines and you can't put anything that you want. First confirm it then post it. Is there any strong source of this news? --Adyniz (talk) 06:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Movie Owt In Japan

Can anyone remove the "upcoming movie" banner from the page? It's been in theaters in Japan for around a week now...2D Backfire Master (talk) 13:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Article needs proofreading

There are a rather noticeable number of segments of poor grammar in this article, such as "Arceus is weaking by Gishin's attack and starts getting poured liquid metal on." and I do believe that someone less lazy than myself should fix it up a little.Fiveinacan (talk) 09:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Working Title

Can I just point out that Arceus: The Jewel of Life may only be the English working title for the movie. It hasn't been confirmed as the official title. Eddie Blake 22:15, 11 August 2009 (AEST)

I think that's a very good point. Until an official announcement comes out, it would be wise to change the title of this article back to "Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time". As a matter of fact, I noticed that the title of this movie's article at Bulbapedia has already been reverted to "Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time" and locked down. SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 18:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The title was confirmed at the Locarno International Film Festival. --Aruseusu (talk) 19:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? Theleftorium 20:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.pardo.ch/jahia/Jahia/home/film/cache/bypass?appid=11456_34&appparams=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pardo.ch%2Fjpwacatalog%2Fpardo%2Ffilm.do%3Fid%3D333300&resetAppSession=true#field_11456 --Aruseusu (talk) 00:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ".cz" ending in the URL signifies it as being a Czech source, no? In which case that may only be the title for the Czech version of the film, and not the English version. Do you have anything which specifically points it as being the English dub title? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 00:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The site is in English and the subtitles for the trailer were in English, and they both give the title as "Arceus and the Jewel of Life". --Aruseusu (talk) 00:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

So? Spanish Charts is in English when it shows the charts in Spain, not England, Canada, or the United States. You need a more concrete source than that and your own deduction. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The staff of the Locarno International Film Festival would've had to get approval from Nintendo to legally be able to show the trailer. Therefore, Nintendo approves all of the contents of the trailer, including the English subtitles. Therefore, the official English title is "Arceus and the Jewel of Life." --Aruseusu (talk) 17:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Stop re-adding the title without confirmation, Aruseusu. This is original research: "As the staff of the festival would've had to get approval from Nintendo to show the trailer, it's an official source." Theleftorium 17:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not OR to say that they would've had to get approval from Nintendo to show the trailer in public, it's basic copyright law. --Aruseusu (talk) 17:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

That statement looks like original research to me since you apparently made your conclusion based on your knowledge of copyright laws, not on whether they actually did in fact receive approval from Nintendo. And even if Nintendo actually did authorize that preview, there's currently no official evidence that the title used in that preview won't be tweaked by the time the movie gets released in the USA. SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 18:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as the director and some other people involved with the movie were there, I'm guessing it was actually official when shown two days ago, seeing as they apparently showed the whole movie in Japanese subtitled in English, and "the Jewel of Life" is not exactly anything like a translation of "Chōkoku no Jikū e". Akata (talk) 03:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

And yet the program for the festival lists it as To the Conquering of Space-Time (page 15). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

And yet the website for the festival lists it as Arceus and the Jewel of Life. The programme may have needed to be printed before the name was finalised. Akata (talk) 03:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

And this is exactly why the name can not be changed at this point in time. We have two sources, from the same event, which give contradictory information regarding the title. We can't ascertain which is correct and which is incorrect. To try and guess is just pure speculation, and it can't be integrated. Remember, verifiability, not truth. Right now we can't verify anything. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The event at this festival was organised and run by the Japanese studio. There is no way to know if the dubbing studio had any say in the "Jewel of Life" title. --Sonic Mew (talk) 15:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Why was the article moved back? Has the title been confirmed? Theleftorium 19:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was move to Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time. Consider relisting this when a reliable source confirms the official English title. Jafeluv (talk) 16:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life → Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time — This page has been back and forth between these 2 titles like a tennis ball at Wimbledon. Please decide which title this page is to settle at. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• Consensus is clear in the above section that the title should remain Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time. Arceus and the Jewel of Life has not been confirmed as far as I know. Theleftorium 20:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
• Move back to the old name (Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time). There is no source that "Arceus and the Jewel of Life" will be the English name of the movie. TJ Spyke 20:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
• Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time should be the only title we use until an actual English title is confirmed. Last I checked, we went with the sources tell us, not rampant speculation. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Just leave it at the current page, with the redirect in place, until there is a more definative answer later on. There's no hurry here, it's not as though people won't be able to find the article or anything. Work on adding references and appropriate content to the article, and we'll figure out the English name in 2010 when it's actually released here.
  — V = I * R (talk to Ω) 11:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

  So you want the article to be at the wrong name until the actual name is announced? That's not how things work. The article should be at the official translated name until a reliable source for a English name is announced. TJ Spyke 15:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

  What I'm curious about is how the decision that the current title is the "wrong name", right now. I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about this (other then what's in the article, which I just read yesterday). If there's some source somewhere that is saying "this is what the name will be", then that should be readily available in the article...
  — V = I * R (talk to Ω) 12:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

  There is no reliable source that says "this is what the name will be". Theleftorium 14:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose The English title was revealed as Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life at the Locarno International Film Festival. --204.184.214.2 (talk) 16:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
  • No, it wasn't "announced" as the official title (see the above section). It may end up as the correct title, but right now we have to wait for a confirmation from a reliable source or Nintendo (or whoever makes the films). Theleftorium 16:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
• Support The page should be moved back to Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time, until Pokemon USA or Nintendo of America announce it. Also do we even think that's the dub name? It might just be the subtitle to the movie (like Revelation Lugia was to the second, Lord of the Unknown Tower for the third, Serebii: A Timeless Encounter for the forth and so on...(O'erTheRampardos (talk) 00:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC))
• Support This name hasnt been confirmed 100%. Just wait for more information and stop moving the article. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 20:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support The appearance at the Locarno International Film Festival was purely organised by the Japanese studio. It has nothing to do with the English release of the movie. --Sonic Mew (talk) 11:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose for the reasons already given. --JAVA <talk> 20:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
  • What reasons? Theleftorium 20:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support Until an official announcement regarding the official English movie title comes out, the page should be moved back to Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time; I thought there was already a consensus on this matter. SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 19:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

People just dont listen.

Wasnt it decided that the title wasnt going to be "Arceus and the Jewel of Life" yet because it was unconfirmed? The page keeps getting moved back. It should get move protected until the day it comes out OR when we ask for it to be un-protected because good proof came out. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 20:14, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

See the above section. :) Theleftorium 20:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

WTF is your problem

Undo your edit and put my edits back in tact because you obviously know nothing about Pokémon.If you did.. you would know a name announcement for a Pokémon movie at a film festival means the decision is final.They don't so little "In production" nick name stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A kun96 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

No on all counts; read the (several) above discussions. There is no official confirmation until it is announced by PCI. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 16:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Above guy is right. There is no any official confirmation about the title of the movie. So it would be better if we don't put the info without confirmation.--♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 18:42, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Its confirmed! Finnaly!

The official title is Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life or it can be Arceus and the Jewel of Life. Pokémon.com confirmed it! No more moving the article after its moved once more! Should the title have "Pokémon" in it? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 00:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Per http://www.pokemon.com/#news_/XML/news_402.xml, the word "Pokémon" is definitely part of the title. SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 00:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Since there is no longer any doubt that "Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life" is the official English title of the movie, I will go ahead and request what should be the final move of this article. SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 01:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, can you please move the page. It is totally confirmed. Thank you. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 03:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Finally! :) Theleftorium 07:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

US (English DUB) RELEASE !!!

Hey guys, the movie is going to release this year (2009) confirmed by pokemon.com .

Check it out http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 04:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Australian Release clarified?

Hello, I noticed on the release date that the movie will be out on November 6th 2009 of this year. However this is the only page that states November 6th 2009 will release the movie within Australia. Is it true that the nation of Australia will be broadcasting the movie and also which channel and what time I would like to know if anybody has any idea. Thank you for helping out! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberencyclopedia (talk • contribs) 06:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

From the looks of it that is when it will be first broadcast. The actual movie will likely not be "released" until next year. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 12:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Cast Formatting

Wouldn't it make more sense to have the character listed first and then list the original and english dub voice actors?--4.131.22.3 (talk) 20:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)