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Donut = dough nought

Why is it not mentioned on this page that 'donut' and 'doughnut' are both contractions of 'dough nought'? That is the actual origin of the name.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.144.95 (talk • contribs)

If you have a reference for that, feel free to add it yourself. — Feezo (Talk) 22:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Ehrm. No. We don't know if it comes from "nought". It could perfectly come from "nut" (as in the hardware, not the fruit). As far as we know it's just as likely, since there is know official ethymology for the word. --eduo 17:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It is also possible that the etymology is dough-naught (dough-circle). This could be easily conjoined with the concept of tradespeople traveling by cart/wagon with fried dough in the shape of a zero in order to be held in place by a peg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.161.53 (talk) 00:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


The preceding are all unfounded speculation. I don't know what Eduo wants as an "official etymology", but the Oxford English Dictionary Online has citations from as early as 1809. None of these 19c cites refer to a toroidal shape or a hole (emphasis added in cites). See also the history section.

  • 1809 W. IRVING Knickerb. (1861) 90 An enormous dish of balls of sweetened dough, fried in hog's fat, and called doughnuts, or olykoeks.
  • 1847 THOREAU in Atlantic Monthly June (1892) 757 The window was..the size of an oblong doughnut, and about as opaque.
  • 1861 R. F. BURTON City of Saints 104 note, The Dough-nut is properly speaking, a small roundish cake made of flour, eggs, and sugar, moistened with milk and boiled in lard.
  • 1870 HAZLITT Brand's Pop. Antiq. I. 48 At Baldock, Herts, the children call..[Shrove Tuesday] Dough-nut Day, from the small cakes fried in brass skillets over the fire with hog's lard.

The Wilder quote is further evidence that the modern American ring shape was not the original form. "Dough-naught" or "dough-nought" is evidently no more than a folk etymology based on the "new-fangled" shape. Thnidu (talk) 22:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Useless trivia

Donut is the code-name for a cutting-edge RPG in development by the designers of Burning Wheel and InSpectres.

I don't see how this adds anything to the description of Doughnuts in America. Can it be removed? Pnevares 22:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

But the Smosh Men say....

There appears to have been a lot of vandalism on this page today, and it may have a lot to do with a reference to Wikipedia in the newest Smosh video... Namely, they identify doughnuts as having been used as window cleaning instruments... To be honest, I'm surprised more people haven't vandalized the page so far. Is a semi-protect in order? — Jpatch 21:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Wondered what was going on. Yes, I think it needs protected. ---VMS Mosaic 22:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
In fact, is it even necessary that the current reference to the video be made? I don't really think it qualifies as encyclopedic content. — Jpatch 01:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Crap, I was just about to vandalize Wikipedia saying that before donuts were made for being eaten, they were used to clean windows. Dam, the video just came out like 6-8 hours ago and this page is protected? Ugh... --72.66.12.217 02:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, so that's what set this off. Didn't realize it was one of those silly internet memes. I guess this category should be emptied and deleted then? — Feezo (Talk) 03:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe on the doughnut section we could add a part that says something like:

MisUsed Content:

Smosh says used for window cleaning. Something like that.

Health aspects

Why does not there exist description of nutritional value/calories and health effects of dufnut consumption? Imho, it would be great extenstion to the article to add such info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.1.182.83 (talk) 09:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Although some doughnuts contain specific antioxidants not usually found in certain foods. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.9.13 (talk) 04:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
There aren't enough antioxidants in all the donuts in the world to fill the space inside a poppyseed! Antioxidants - LOL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.172.29 (talk) 03:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Temperature

The present use of "degrees Fahrenheit" and "degrees Celcius" is to be avoided. All temperatures should be consistently given as "xx °C (yy °F)".
— DIV (149.135.105.55 07:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC))

Haha, expected

I expected the whole Smosh Food Battle 2007 thing to spark vandalism on this page. No offense to the "intelligent" -snort- people on Wiki, but that's just freakin' hilarious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.243.184 (talk) 01:27, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

German Variant: 'Auszonge'

My mum bakes a not mentioned variant: they are torus shaped as those which are usually referred to as the original American ones except that the inner hole remains filled with a thin skin of dough. When baked in liquid fat it bubbles up from hot air and thereby makes an excellent view aside from the excellent taste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.150.106.217 (talk) 15:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The proper (Bavarian) spelling is "Auszogne" (i.e. you swapped n<->g). High German spelling is "Ausgezogene". See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auszogne - Matthias 88.217.68.103 13:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

From the description, this seems to be rather similar to the ostensibly Hungarian Lángos. Any comments? Jimjamjak (talk) 12:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Liquid dough -> batter

I suggest replacing the words "liquid dough" with the Wikilink batter. (Note: The batter page lists doughnuts as one product created from batter.) This suggestion may sound trivial to native speakers but for non-native speakers (who usually don't learn that kind of vocabulary in school) links like this offer an important way to broaden their language horizon. - Matthias 88.217.68.103 13:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Given that there's no such thing as "liquid dough," I think your suggestion is warranted. Fwiw, though, donuts can be made from batter (cake donuts) or dough (regular ring ones and filled ones). The differences between batter and dough are in the leavening (chemical or physical vs biological), development (creaming vs kneading), and grade of flour (low vs high gluten). HTH, Jim_Lockhart (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I had to post it here: In Berlin/Germany Berliner are called Amerikaner not Pfannkuchen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.120.206 ([[User talk:84.57.120.206|talk]]) 20:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

->maybe in that part that was formerly west berlin. why should someone in that part of the city that was formerly east berlin name a traditional food an amerikaner? ;)

Pastry

Would it be wrong to say that doughnuts are a[n American?] pastry? Hierarchically, I always thought of the doughnut ranking as something of a peer of the eclair, both offshoots of the pastry branch of the food tree. Despite the fact that doughnuts are so common in the US, this article seems to over-generalize the word doughnut, to the point where pastries of other cultures around the world are all but described as some international form of the doughnut (see also, List of doughnut varieties). While the comparisons might have some currency (they are often sold in the same sorts of places), it seems like much of this content would be more properly included under the pastry article with a link to the doughnut article as needed. I also noted that there were no pastry wikilinks in this article, however much the word is mentioned. That said, I don't have anything against doughnuts. Custard / cream-filled remain among my favorites. -Onceler 21:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Scottish and Northern Irish regional variations

I think a "citation needed" should go on the Scottish and Northern Irish variations. I'm not native to either, but I've never heard of either of the described variations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.6.215.47 (talk) 17:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm the Scottish one at least. Strangely enough, I heard this usage for the first time yesterday during a conversation with my mother - and I'm Scottish. Perhaps it's going out of common usage these days? Or it might just be that I never really had a lot of doughnuts... Come to think of it, 99% of the doughnuts I've ever eaten in Scotland were jam doughnuts.

In any case, it seems that, yes, some people in Scotland refer to the ring-shaped doughnuts as dough rings. Thorf (talk) 12:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not Scottish but I live in Aberdeen. Dough ring is definitely the norm among the natives here for the ones with holes. It's a shame I don't know an obvious citation, so that I can back it up. Moreover, some people seem very surprised to hear that anyone would refer to them as 'dough nuts' rather than 'dough rings', the reason given being that they are obviously shaped like rings and not like nuts - that is, I suppose, not like hazelnuts. I reply that they are very definitely shaped like the metal nuts that screw onto bolts! Poglad (talk) 16:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

History

The history section is wholly inadequate. It would be similar to summarizing the history of the wheel from an American perspective as: The wheel was introduced to the Americas by European settlers. E.G. I have seen street vendors making fresh doughnuts in Bristol England, in 1995. These persons were British. So if the doughnut was introduced to the US via the Dutch, how did it get to England, or Australia? Are we to assume it was also via the Dutch or via the then British colonies? Or is the introduction more recent? If the term doughnut is fairly new, what, if anything was the treat called before that? Could someone answer how and about when did the Dutch come up with their doughnut, or link to an article on it? Was it purely brought to New York by the Dutch, or did the Dutch concept and the French beniet meld somewhere between NYC and New Orleans? Also, I've seen a painting in the Smithsonian art collection which seemed to depict doughnut like treats painted in the early 1600s http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?45891+0+0+gg30 http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?45891+0+7+gg30 I wondered if doughnuts were even that old; this article would not help anyone pursue this line of thinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlamblin (talk • contribs) 21:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

No mention of pudding filled?

that just aint right,you all know damn well pudding is the #1 filling for doughnuts,choclate icing,choclate puuuuudding,dont believe me just ask me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.46.49.98 (talk) 21:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You're thinking of long johns, or the like, not donuts. 65.32.199.31 (talk) 07:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

No mention of its association with Cops

Cops and doughnuts go together. I believe we need atleast some mention of this along with references in popular culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.200.143.97 (talk) 17:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I also just came here to find references to the present and historical cultural association of Donuts and police. Jup, right. The phenomen is widespread enough to warrant mentioning in the article, perhaps in a section "cultural references". Do cops actually hang out in Donut shops? Why? Why not? Why does everybody know or believe that this is the case? Where did the custom or the belief originate? What was first, the cop or the Donut? Did ever get a Donut shop built at a certain location because of a former aggregation of polimen there? What abot policewomen? Act Domuts as a supressor to police work, or so they improve it, at the cost of the health of police workers? Or are Donuts healthy? Or does it depend? On what does it depend? Are there Donut shops in Bielefeld? Are all captives in Bielefeld fed with the same Donuts, or do Elvis and JFK receive special Donuts? Has the Donut shape something to do with UFOs? Opps. I should stop asking such question, or the FBI will come and answer them...anfter getting me to Bielefeld... --80.134.9.41 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Police eat donuts like crazy. Maybe because they like them, or maybe because, for many years at least, donut places were some of the only places open where they could sit down.--208.127.100.147 (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
That and they keep for a while and you can eat em with your hands easily while on a stakeout.. and quick-energy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 04:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I second everything you guys mentioned. Nothing else to report.D7maj (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
AFAIK, during late 60s there was a law according to which donut shops should supply cops for free, but I don't know if it's an urban legend. I also agree that the article should contain a reference to the US cops-donuts link and its origins. 91.132.141.80 (talk) 14:56, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Russian/Ukrainian variant

I've had fried pies very much akin to doughnuts in both places, stuffed with fermented cabbage that has been mixed with apple and sweetened. I can't pretend to know their name, however. Jimjamjak (talk) 12:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Arab Donut Holes

From Egypt south to Sudan, fried balls soaked in syrup are a common street snack, often eaten in winter. These are called ligamaat (from the Greek) and zelabia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.135.38.102 (talk) 12:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

There is a Syrian doughnut called Khart, but I don't know if that is how it's spelled. It's usually in a twist and is coated with a sticky glazing made from heated milk and sugur.--Blackmage337 (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

In Asian cultures, there is a similar delicacy with either steamed and/or fried cake batter that is served with sugar syrup or confectionary powder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by R69lai (talk • contribs) 16:50, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Netherlands

The part about the netherlands is incorrect. The belgian description of Powdered sugar and no fruit applies to the netherlands. (except in some cases when there's raisins). the providided description is not for Oliebollen,but for Appelbollen.86.87.28.191 (talk) 18:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Baked doughnuts

Removed wording that baked doughnuts were a recent invention, and the associated implication that their date of invention would be established by their date of appearance in stores. My mother baked doughnuts many years before there was such a thing as (doughnut) stores. An internet search on "baked doughnuts" and "mother" leads to recipes for baked doughnuts, or recollections about them, associated with other people's mothers, too. Publius3 (talk) 15:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there seriously such a thing as a "baked doughnut"? I think that frying is a necessary, essential feature of a doughnut. Isn't a "baked" doughnut actually a cake that is made to mimic a real doughnut? --Jcbutler (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Beignets

New Orleans beignets may be descended from France, but according to beignet, the French version only bears a passing resemblance to the present-day doughnut. I suggest reassigning beignets to New Orleans, and mentioning France within, rather than the other way around. Dukeofwulf (talk) 05:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Article on the origin of Doughnuts

You may want to correct an error in the article on the origin of Doughnuts wherein it is stated that the first use of the shortened spelling "Donut" was first used in 1929, this is to let you know that as far as we know, the first use of this shortened spelling was in 1920 when the DAWN DONUT COMPANY was incorporated. The Dawn Donut Company has since become Dawn Food Products, Inc. and still has its headquarters in Jackson, Michigan just as it did in 1920. Too bad our founders didn't think to copyright that shortened spelling... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.164.54.40 (talk) 16:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Butt crack

Do we really need the photo of the guy with pants that don't fit properly?

"Daily Dozen Doughnut Company in Pike Place Market"

Mike (talk) 21:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't there a popular culture section at least linked on this page. I can think of at least a dozen things inspired by the influence of donuts to popular culture including a lot of video games and TV shows and movies like Tour de Donut ... and the donut has become synonymous with highway patrolmen --Biatch (talk) 03:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Popular Culture sections must be dealt with very carefully as to not be more or less "Trivia" sections. Also, because doughnuts are present in many aspects of various cultures, particularly the USA and Canada, it may be unnecessary to repeat a lot of information that is extremely common. --71.196.221.189 (talk) 06:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hungarian Doughnuts: Csörögefánk

I was surprised to see no mention of the variant from Hungary. I'm not very good at writing articles, but sources for this are easy to find. It's important to note the use of brandy in most recipes as well, not only for its purpose during the deep frying process, but also considering brandy is one of Hungary's most popular beverages. --71.196.221.189 (talk) 06:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Had to step in on the Munchkins reference...

I've lived in Indiana and Florida, which are vastly different in language, and traveled much of the US, and I've never heard doughnut holes referred to as Munchkins generically, its always specific. About the only generalizations I've heard are doughnut holes or donut holes... and a few areas just call them donut pieces or bits. In Indiana, it was always spelled doughnut holes, and in Florida, its always spelled donut holes. In the great plains areas is where I've heard them as bits or pieces.65.32.199.31 (talk) 07:28, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Keepin' it Real: The Affect it has on modern society

The issue of homeboys not keepin' it real these days is really on a steep incline. Just the thought of homeboys not keepin' it real is truly frightening... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.92.104.171 (talk) 04:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Keepin' it Real? Where has it gone to, and will it ever come back?!

Homeboys and homies in this day and age are truly not keepin' it close to real enough.

Skills needed to be "a keeper of the realness"

1. have a sweet piece to whip out in your time of need.

2. Wear hardcore clothes that say, "this is me, and this is how I roll."

3. Say stuff like, "sup homes" and "Dont be Hatin!!"

Those who further wish to discuss this topic, or anything relating to donuts, please visit my site at smith_realsup@m.org. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.92.104.171 (talk) 04:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Do-Nut

Hello all!

I was just wondering why the alternate spelling 'Do-Nut' which I've seen in hundreds of places isn't mentioned in this glorious article!? --LookingYourBest (talk) 15:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Pfannkuchen (Section on Germany)

It would be worthwhile to point out that "Pfannkuchen" - which is referred to as the name of Berliner's in the very region of Berlin - usually refers to pancakes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.100.126.154 (talk) 16:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

It would be also worthwile not to suggest that somehow Berliner would be the common name througout Germany. As one can see in de:Krapfen and de:Berliner Pfannkuchen, there are a lot of local names. CE (talk) 01:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Holes

The "Origin" section states:

Doughnuts are formed ... by using a doughnut cutter, which simultaneously cuts the outside and inside shape, leaving a doughnut-shaped piece of dough and a doughnut hole from dough removed from the center. (My emphasis).

Yet the "Doughnut holes" section states:

Ring doughnuts are not made by cutting out the central portion of the cake (again, my emphasis).

One of these statements needs modification. 81.129.207.110 (talk) 16:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I think they're not mutually incompatible. Dough-donuts very likely do recycle the leftover dough and go ahead and make little fried balls.. but Cake donuts don't -cut- anything, they're batter in molds, so cake donut holes are just little cakes made from a little bit of batter. Notice the latter statement refers to cake specifically. Honestly the two are so different we should have a totally different name for cake donuts.. Batternuts maybe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 04:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Australia

It must be a NSW/Vic thing but over here in South Australia I can't say I've ever noticed a mobile van selling jam donuts. Actually I can't say I've paid any attention to jam donuts for sale anywhere full stop. Vans selling cinnamon donuts are absolutely everywhere, are a fixture at fairs/shows/fetes, and cinnamon donuts are a VERY popular choice of something to sell when you are trying to raise money. The commonest non-cinnamon donut I've seen are ones iced with chocolate.

I may be biased though because I like cinnamon donuts and have never actually eaten a jam donut, but I think this fact alone says something for the availability of cinnamon vs jam donuts in South Australia ... 121.45.47.118 (talk) 11:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Other uses of doughnuts in culture, language and science

Can some other edits weigh in on this content removal by user:Wolfkeeper [1]? I think this material is appropriate to include. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:51, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

It's off-topic, a WP:content fork and a violation of WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary, as you very well know.- Wolfkeeper 03:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Doughnuts and fried doughs

I am planning to do a massive reorganization.

1) I would like to move all of the fried dough foods to that article and focus this one on doughnuts.

2) I would also like to spin off some of the doughnut hole content to separate article.

3) And I'm planning to create a baked doughnut article.

4)I would also like to expand discussion of the cake type verse the other type (risen?).

Any comments, questions, suggestions concerns? And more help is needed with the Doughnut Drive 2009, sign on today! ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

History of doughnuts in USA

To give a consistent structure, the History of doughnuts in USA section should be moved to the list of regional variations. I don't see the justification for the that country to be segregated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.209.6.43 (talk) 08:35, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe the general history section, which was logically at the top, was renamed the history of doughnuts in the USA after my comments above on history. In those comments I noted that the history section only talked about the history as it involved the USA; I.E. how doughnuts may have been brought to USA. Dlamblin (talk) 17:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

There is a National Donut Day in the United States and it began 93 years ago in Chicago, IL. Here is the history: http://www.billydec.com/blog/national-donut-day-started-in-chicago/72.54.47.133 (talk) 19:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

blogs are not reliable sources. can you find that in a valid source? Active Banana (talk) 19:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Donuts, is there anything they CAN'T do?

The popular culture section is pretty light for this very long article. How can there be 8,000 words about donuts without using the word Homer? Mmmm...donuts... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.100.147 (talk) 04:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It actually is quite an achievement that we have collected that much actual encyclopedic content without drifting into fancruft. So a cartoon character eats doughnuts - big whoop. Active Banana (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Raw center

If the donut hole solves an issue with a raw center, why are there donuts without holes? Did we just solve the raw center issue with recent technology and oldtimey people just gritted their teeth and put up with it like they did body lice and non-homogenized milk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 04:27, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

HEY! Don't be dissin' non-homogenised milk. I'll do without the body lice thank you, but I happen to like non-homogenised milk, It just tastes better. Besides, you can make butter with the cream that floats to the top, just by isolating and shaking it! Try it sometime, it's fun. 67.142.172.29 (talk) 02:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

yucky that sounds chunky and not very appetizing. no offense all you non homogenized milk lovers :) have a nice day everybody! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.186.100 (talk) 01:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of "om nom nom"...

The word "doughnuts" always makes me laugh histarically. I like saying doughnut repeatingly. --Superscaryguy (talk) 14:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 80.229.250.167, 1 July 2011

Nepal

Sel roti is a Nepali homemade ring shaped rice doughnut prepared during Tihar, the widely celebrated Hindu festival in Nepal. A semi-liquid dough is usually prepared by adding milk, water, sugar, butter, cardamom, mashed banana to rice flour and is often left to ferment for up to 24 hours. Sel rotis are traditionally fried in ghee (clarified butter).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sel_roti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sel_Roti.jpg http://www.food-nepal.com/recipe/R061_R100/R063.htm

80.229.250.167 (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request, 21 Jul 2011

Under #Italy, please change:
"Italian doughnuts include ciambelle, krapfen, zippuli from Calabria, maritozzi and bomboloni from Tuscany."
to:
"Italian doughnuts include ciambelle, krapfen, zeppoli from Calabria, maritozzi and bomboloni from Tuscany."

Zippuli (currently listed) are fried potatoes. Zeppole / Zeppoli are fried dough. If nothing else, they should at least be added.


Done - have left zippuli as this also seems to be considered a doughnut. Mato (talk) 13:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Poland

Except for pączki we also have oponki ("oponka" sounds like diminutive from "opona" which means "tire" ;]). Those are ring shaped usualy with white cheese used to prepare dough. They look like this http://kuchennewzlotyiupadki.blox.pl/resource/oponki2.JPG (I'm not this blog's author and have no copy wrights). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.79.253.112 (talk) 06:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Filing instead of filling

Where the article talks about Czech koblihas, it says they can be "filed with noughat". That, most probably, should be a different word. I would have fixed it but cannot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.84.186.81 (talk) 08:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

New York offers ~ Should be officers!

On the bottom of the Doughnut page, it said New York offers in a Dunkin' Dounts store, it should be officers. Drewno (talk to me) 22:25, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! VQuakr (talk) 01:38, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Slovenia

Why is there no mention of Slovene doughnuts called 'krof'? They are by far best in the whole central Europe! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.2.237.17 (talk) 06:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Pony Express?

How does another article on Wikipedia state doughnuts were invented along the Pony Express and this article has no mention of it?

142.59.6.137 (talk) 03:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

You didn't mention which other article, so I'm guessing you mean Johnny Fry, is that correct?
The mention there is that it's claimed by "local lore" - but does not state it to be true. In the context of local lore, it's reasonable to mention it in that article. However, as this article points out, the earliest recorded mentions of "doughnut" are from 1803-1809 - while the Pony Express did not even exist until 1860, several decades after doughnuts were first documented. As a result, the mention has no relevance to this article's documentation of the legitimate theories on its history. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Any reliable US consumption statistics?

As a Norwegian having visited USA several times, I am aware that the doughnut has become a part of US lifestyle, and staying at motels I've learned that doughnut breakfast is pretty common. But how many doughnuts are consumed annually? Net searches give me most different figures. What appears to be a reliable source, www.aibonline.org/resources/statistics [2] Consumption for top 10 brands - gives somewhat approximate figures, summoned up to 136 740 000 pieces. Assuming 10 largest producers represent 50% of total production, totals could be estimated to something like 275 000 000 pieces a year, way less than one doughnut per person a year. Another site, www.squidoo.com (which I cannot link here as site is blacklisted) have a page called donuthole, where consumption is reported to be 10 billions a year - then we reach an average pro capita of some 36, or 3 pieces a month. Finally, editing the article no:Doughnut I grabbed figures from a blog quoting newspaper The Baltimore Sun [3] claims that the average American consume 63 dozen doughnuts a year - giving roughly 2 pieces a day. So what am I to believe? Any hints for reliable figures? TorSch (talk) 15:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Baked in a pan? Deep baked?

What? Since when was cooking in fat considered baking? AFAIK it's always been referred to as deep frying. Link to MW.com for the definition of deep-fry. Baking and frying are two completely different ways of cooking. You can not possibly refer to deep frying of donuts as baking/baked/etc. All references as such in this article need to be changed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.214.233 (talk) 14:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Exactly! "Deep baked" is nonsensical - doughnuts are cooked by deep frying, and I've never heard of frying called "baking" in any way or any context. The term "deep baking" makes the opening paragraph inaccurate and misleading. It looks as though the word "fried" was hit with a search-and-replace with the word "baked" ("deep fried" becomes "deep baked", etc.), but the words "fry" and "frying" are still in the article and are correct. (There are "doughnut shaped" items that are baked, but any normal use of the term "doughnut" absolutely refers to an item that is cooked by frying.) Very, very strange and needs to be fixed ASAP! Wild speculation: could someone from the industry have possibly edited the page to avoid calling attention to the frying aspect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.132.222 (talk) 17:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Usage in news, scholar, and books has not shifted to "Donut". Searches also need to attempt to account for capitalized "Donut" in things like "Dunkin Donuts" (the ngrams, for instance, are case-sensitive). -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Doughnut → Donut – Per Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. Use any search engine you wish, "donut -doughnut" greatly outweighs "doughnut -donut". For me in bing it was 21,700,000 to 6,530,000. The article states that this is a regional US vs. UK spelling, which is not true. The real problem is the perception of "doughnut" as proper English, while "donut" is perceived as somehow ignorant (as our own article says, "the decline of spelling"). Both are common in English-speaking countries, though "doughnut" is slowly becoming outmoded. Here are some searches I ran in bing, feel free to try it yourself. 03:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Site-specific searches
UK sites
  • doughnut -donut site:bbc.co.uk 38,300
  • donut -doughnut site:bbc.co.uk 2,690
  • doughnut -donut site:guardian.co.uk 3,600
  • donut -doughnut site:guardian.co.uk 2,970
  • doughnut -donut site:dailymail.co.uk 11,400
  • donut -doughnut site:dailymail.co.uk 14,200
AU sites
  • doughnut -donut site:abc.net.au 486
  • donut -doughnut site:abc.net.au 1,430
  • doughnut -donut site:smh.com.au 2,050
  • donut -doughnut site:smh.com.au 1,300
NZ sites
  • doughnut -donut site:nzherald.co.nz 89
  • donut -doughnut site:nzherald.co.nz 58
  • doughnut -donut site:stuff.co.nz 234
  • donut -doughnut site:stuff.co.nz 12,200
Social sites
  • doughnut -donut site:facebook.com 258,000
  • donut -doughnut site:facebook.com 366,000
  • doughnut -donut site:myspace.com 21,100
  • donut -doughnut site:myspace.com 64,100
  • doughnut -donut site:orkut.com 6,890
  • donut -doughnut site:orkut.com 9,570
  • doughnut -donut site:flickr.com 7,700
  • donut -doughnut site:flickr.com 33,200
  • doughnut -donut site:twitter.com 22,200
  • donut -doughnut site:twitter.com 36,900

I find no evidence that "donut" is an uncommon spelling outside the US, so there is no WP:ENGVAR issue here (besides, is anyone surprised that the BBC would lean towards the stuffier option?). Whether we enjoy it or not, "donut" is the more commonly used spelling in general, and that usage is only going to keep increasing. Similarly, we don't have an article for catsup. This is the natural evolution of language, and Wikipedia should evolve along with it. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:55, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Support shorter name, WP:PRECISE. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 03:57, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose The searches above include the blogs of those websites, not just articles. In Google Scholar there's not much in it, but the older name is still more common in bakery contexts:
Given that the advertising name "donut" has been in use since 1920s, the resilience of the full spelling suggests that the WP:COMMONNAME, surprisingly, is still doughnut and will stay so. When Google Scholar tips over to donut, then we should move it, not on the basis of blogs and adverts. + Britannica uses "doughnut" in bakery article mentions. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by "advertising name", that it is used in advertising but not common usage? It is used in both, as is "doughnut". Why are blogs not acceptable in determining common usage? Also, a donut is not a pastry, FYI. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 02:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, in that "donut" was initiated in 1920s for advertising. WP:IRS talks about avoiding websites, but mainly the issue is that wp is an encyclopedia. The very fact that you yourself identified "doughnut" as stuffy tells us which is the more encyclopaedic term. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:15, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
First, I see that you added information and (more importantly) references to the article, which was certainly lacking in that area, so thank you. Second, the list of search results was specifically to counteract the position that "donut" is American and "doughnut" is everyone else, so as to invalidate any WP:ENGVAR arguments (I've found some people in the UK and AU often think any slang or spelling variations are the fault of the US). As far as the common usage, I was relying on the broad searches mentioned at the top. I have never seen RS used as a requirement for search engine results when it comes to finding common usage. Scholar is hardly a cross-section of all reliable sources, it is a compilation of scholarly articles. My search in Scholar for "doughnut bakery -donut" hit 3,690, and "donut bakery -doughnut" hit 2,250. However, the same seach in Google Books for "doughnut bakery -donut" hit 22,400, and "donut bakery -doughnut" hit 27,300. Regardless, there is no "reliable" method of targeting only-and-all reliable sources using google hits, the only reliable information you can get is general popularity and commonality. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 03:57, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Of course, I did not realize when I commented that you seem to be adding content in order to prove a WP:POINT. The deliberate addition and synthesis of the OED source that I used to show clear bias is inappropriate, especially when this discussion is still going on. As someone who has already pointed me toward WP:IRS, you must already be aware that the "reliability of a source depends on context". OED is a dictionary, and may reasonably be used to define words. To use their "spelling help" as a reference on regional dialects, only after I pointed out the illogical bias of their assertion, is boorish and disruptive. Further, adding the synthesis of their language headers is just bad editing. I'm not going to start an edit war, but this is a poor way to try and win an argument. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 22:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment. The search engine result numbers are not intended to be used in the way they are above. Ngram and Google Insights are the tools designed to answer this question. The RS prefers "doughnut", per ngram, Merriam-Webster, and Oxford. Amazon's top-selling books on this subject both give "doughnut." (See Nos. 11 and 13 on the pastry book list.) According to Insights, American readers are hungry for "donuts",[4] whereas British readers are split on this issue.[5] As far as major chains go, there is "Dunkin' Donuts" and "Mister Donut," but "Krispy Kreme Doughnut." Kauffner (talk) 04:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
  • I had not heard of that service, that is a lot more elegant than what I was doing. According to the tool, Canadians also prefer "donut" (as does major Canadian chain Tim Horton's[6]). Australians prefer "donut", as do the Kiwis and Indians. "Doughnut" has a close lead in South Africa. One interesting thing if you look at "worldwide searches" is that even though the US greatly prefers "donut", there were still more searches from the US for "doughnut" than there were from the UK (under "regional interest" [7]). For the Ngram, if you take it back to 1920, the current gap doesn't look all that large, and has been drastically lessened since the peak in WWII.
  • I don't know if Oxford would qualify as a NPOV source, as they clearly state "The beginning of doughnut is spelled dough- (the spelling donut is American)." (emphasis in original) Somehow the word "doughnut", which was also invented in America, is now officially British? The spelling "donut", which is more common in nearly every other country outside the UK, and nearly equally common within the UK, is distinctly American? I see this as the "proper English" bias I mentioned in the nomination. Their bias is further outlined by the fact that language options are "US English" and "World English", not "British English", as if American spellings are somehow myopic. There's a whole section at Oxford English Dictionary#Criticisms that deals with their bias. I don't mean this to attempt to invalidate any point made here, but merely to illustrate that some "reliable" sources will by their nature have biases when it comes to variations of spelling, and this discussion is entirely about a variation of spelling. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 06:20, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose, per WP:ENGVAR. It's not just about American versus British, as the guideline explicitly says. My inference is that it's mostly about avoiding disputes on the fundamentally arbitrary issue of linguistic variation. I think either way works, and we should stick with the one we got. ENeville (talk) 22:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm assuming that "per" means that there is text at WP:ENGVAR that your opposition is relying on. What is that text? What portion of the official policy supports your argument? Which part of this nomination does the policy specifically apply to? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 22:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Possibly at WP:RETAIN - "The variety established for use in a given article can be documented by placing the appropriate Varieties of English template on its talk page. An article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one valid use of English to another." Again, this is clearly and repeatedly about national dialects of English, and designed to avoid nationalistic arguments. This does not apply here. Anything else? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 23:10, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose, per WP:ENGVAR. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:39, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. According to the Cambridge Guide to English Usage, "In both British and American English, doughnut is the dominant spelling." This is borne out by separate ngrams for American English and British English. Authorities on BrE tend to characterize donut as a variant of doughnut that is used especially in AmE. Furthermore, donut is considered a variant of doughnut by their American counterparts: doughnut is preferred over donut in American dictionaries (American Heritage, Merriam-Webster, New Oxford American, etc.); Garner's Modern American Usage describes doughnut as the "more common" and "preferred" spelling, and advises that "Donut ... should be reserved for eatery names and advertising." SSR (talk) 06:55, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose My somewhat subjective judgement is to say that as an encyclopedia we should go for the more educated less colloquial version, "donut" may have a certain currency but it still smacks of a gimmicky spelling, like businesses promising to "kwick kleen" something. PatGallacher (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

What is a do(ugh)nut?

Donut? Not.
Donut stew?

Everything, evidently. According to the article, a donut is fried. Or it's not. It has a hole. Or it doesn't. It is made of wheat flour. Or it isn't. It is sweet. Or it's not. I posit that the vast majority of the article devoted to "Regional variations" should be moved to List of doughnut varieties which itself should probably be merged with List of fried dough foods. Just check a few of the examples given and see if they pass the smell test. Youtiao, a long, crisp, savoury stick. Donut? Not. (I've heard them called a type of cruller and even a churro but never a donut.) I'm an inclusionist but this material is mostly original research (as far as the items being donut variations) and duplicates other articles. It would be nice to add an Ambox header (example below) to the section and wait a few months and then cull the unsourced entries. Simply, if it's not called a donut, it's not a donut. What think ye all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AjaxSmack (talk • contribs) 21:46, May 13, 2012

I just had a similar conversation about the list of pastries, which was basically including every food item that wikilinked to pastry. As you point out, we don't have a clear definition of the boundaries of the term. Your solution is better than anything I can think of. Ideally we should have an exact criteria for inclusion, but I think that would be hard to get sources to agree upon. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 04:57, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
"A ring-shaped cake fried in deep fat", "Yeast-leavened doughnuts are fried in fat or oil", "Doughnuts are small buns fried in hot oil or fat to form sweet snacks...", "A donut (or doughnut) is a ring-shaped piece of sweet pastry that is cooked in deep frying fat to a rich brown color. Two basic types of doughnuts are produced: (1) cake doughnuts, made from chemically leavened cake batter, and (2) yeast-raised donuts, produced from a fermented sweet dough." ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 06:23, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Impressive work. My problem is when editors read such definitions and decide, without the backing of reliable sources, that x pastry is a donut and add it to the article's list. —  AjaxSmack  13:53, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Already I don't agree with these refs completely, because they don't cover jelly-filled or maple bars. At least they've squarely landed on "sweet deep-fried dough food". Right away that kicks out things like spicy potato patties and baked donuts. That doesn't kick out youtiao. I'm in agreement about cutting-out unsourced varieties, and really they just turn this article into more of a mess. Perhaps list of doughnut varieties should be moved to list of fried desserts or just, as you said, merged with list of fried dough foods. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Flattened sphere?

Really, flattened spheres? Is that a quote from a source, or is there some technical reason why a jelly donut is a 'flattened sphere' and not a disk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.214.220 (talk) 21:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I also feel that the wording could be better, so I have made some copyedit changes. --Musdan77 (talk) 00:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 August 2013 - Typo

Typo in the Philippines section. Reads Dooughnuts - Should be Doughnuts 76.103.103.44 (talk) 03:20, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done Gobōnobō + c 03:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Cops and doughnuts

Remember Walk like an Egypian by the Bangles Here is one verse of it


If you want to find all the cops, They're hanging out in the donut shop. They sing and dance (Oh-Way-Oh) They spin their clock and cruise on down the block — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.118.1.50 (talk) 08:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 October 2013

Typo in the last line of the Shapes/Holes portion. "bit-sized" should be "bite-sized". Starayo (talk) 04:45, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done Good catch. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:52, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

doughnuts

Doughnuts(or Donuts)can be made by yourself or by buying them.You can make doughnuts by deep frying them. Perryman2004 (talk) 21:54, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve this article. When you use the {{edit semi-protected}} template, you need to detail how you want to add something in a "please change X to Y" format. You also need to provide a relaible source for the information you want to add; this is not a place for personal observations. Regards, Celestra (talk) 21:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Oliebollen

Those don't look or taste like doughnuts. (I can know, I'm from holland) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.173.35.211 (talk) 16:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually, oliebollen look like jumbo donut holes. Currants aside (and not always in oliebollen), they don't taste that different either - indeed hot olibollen are very much like a hot yeast donut tastewise (both are very tasty) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 23:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

But are donuts actually American at all? Surely they are just the American name for a type of deep-fried bun that is common throughout Europe, and was adopted in the USA. It isn't an American invention at all.203.184.41.226 (talk) 09:06, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on December 3rd 2013 - Typo

When discussing the weight of a cake doughnut, please either use units of weight or change the wording to something along the lines of "the mass of the doughnut is...." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.28.144.67 (talk) 18:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Northern Ireland

Doughnuts are not known as gravy rings in N.Ireland. Nor is cooking oil known as gravy. Complete nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.183.90 (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2014

Please change this:

Belgium

In Belgium, the smoutebollen are similar to the Dutch kind of oliebollen, but they usually do not contain any fruit, except for apple chunks sometimes. They are typical carnival and fair snacks and are eaten with powdered sugar on them.[1]

to this:

Belgium

In Belgium, the smoutebollen in Dutch or "croustillons" in French are similar to the Dutch kind of oliebollen, but they usually do not contain any fruit, except for apple chunks sometimes. They are typical carnival and fair snacks and are coated with powdered sugar.[2] MrScrogneugneu (talk) 13:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for that - Initially, I didn't see that you had added another reference, as they were under one number, and they do not appear on talk pages. Arjayay (talk) 18:15, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2014

The spelling of donut is popularized by the chain dunkin' donuts and is not an alternate spelling. It is specifically associated by the company itself.

149.169.138.61 (talk) 15:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

 Not done - Although popularised by Dunkin' Donuts, which was started in 1950, the use of Donut, goes back to at least 1900 - as explained - with references here - Arjayay (talk) 15:43, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The Greeks invented the fried dough treats..

 In Greece, loukoumades are commonly spiced with cinnamon in a honey syrup and can be sprinkled lightly with powdered sugar.

In ancient Greece, these deep fried dough balls were served to the winners of the Greek Olympics. The Greek poet Callimachus was the first to state that these deep fried dough balls were soaked in honey and then served to the winners as "honey tokens". from Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.180.24 (talk) 16:54, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Donuts in Austria

As it is already mentioned in the Article, the "Krapfen" has got no hole, but a filling. Also, the dough is different. The Krapfen is battered, but is not as fat as a donut. The dough is much softer. Also in austria there are Donuts. It is true that the "Bauernkrapfen" looks similar, but I wouldn't really say, that the Krapfen is a derviate of a donut. It has got more similarity with a pastry or a pie, just that it is filled with jam/marmalade or sometimes vanilla or chocolate. I, as an Austrian, would see the Krapfen as a sweet confectionery/desert in its own right. The donut could be the fat uncle from USA, but not more. I don't know, if my Input is any use, but as Donuts, especially today, co-exist with other food in most countries, there is not really anything, that would kind of replace a donut, or is really similar to it. Emergency99 (talk) 09:08, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I found a reliable source

I found an RS. If anyone wants to use it, I'll put it here:

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=_W7_ZdXKHt0C&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=Doughnut+dessert&ots=bFgBGEGcnF&sig=0ys3wSm3A1d-XyegxbWPYiv0Spc#v=onepage&q=Doughnut%20dessert&f=false

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2014

The Section about doughnut holes is redundant. I would suggest revising it as follows:

Doughnut holes are small, bite-sized doughnuts that were traditionally made from the dough taken from the center of ring doughnuts. Before long, doughnut sellers saw the opportunity to market "holes" as a novelty and many chains offer their own variety, some with their own brand names such as "Munchkins" from Dunkin' Donuts and "Timbits" from Tim Hortons.

Traditionally, doughnut holes are made by frying the dough removed from the center portion of the doughnut. Consequently, they are considerably smaller than a standard doughnut and tend to be spherical. Similar to standard doughnuts, doughnut holes may be topped with confections, such as glaze or powdered sugar.

Originally, most varieties of doughnut holes were derivatives of their ring doughnut (yeast-based dough or cake batter) counterparts. However, doughnut holes can also be made by dropping a small ball of dough into hot oil from a specially shaped nozzle or cutter.[3] This production method has allowed doughnut sellers to produce bite-sized versions of non-ring doughnuts, such as filled doughnuts, fritters and Dutchies. 206.177.43.70 (talk) 18:48, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 16:05, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

British origin needs better sourcing

The last paragraph of the "Possible Origins" section makes the claim that the doughnut is of British origin. However, it cites only two sources: An article from the Daily Mail (a British tabloid), and a very short fluff piece from Fox News. The Daily Mail is not, to my knowledge, a reliable source, and the Fox News article is lacking. I would like to see better sourcing for that paragraph, or if better sourcing cannot be found it should probably be excised altogether. For now, I've added "unreliable source" and "needs verification" tags to the appropriate articles until the matter is addressed. - Bardbom (talk) 05:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

8,000 years old

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/05/dining/doughnuts-in-new-york-city-from-carpe-donut-nyc-to-pies-n-thighs.html
Rings Around the City
By LIGAYA MISHANNOV.
New York Times
Nov. 4, 2014
Its pleasures are prehistoric — fossilized ring-shaped cakes have been unearthed, dating back 8,000 years — and democratic. Free doughnuts were handed to the huddled arrivals at Ellis Island, to lines of hollow-cheeked men during the Great Depression and to soldiers on the battlefields of the First World War, by Salvation Army volunteers who requisitioned helmets as deep fryers and punched holes with spent artillery shells.
In New York City, the doughnut no longer resembles the Dutch olykoek that Anna Joralemon started selling in 1673 from a shop on lower Broadway.
--Nbauman (talk) 01:50, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

"Two types of doughnuts" in lede

The lede says the two types of doughnuts are with and without hole (without any citation of course). Isn't a more significant distinction that between cake and risen doughnuts? Mmyers1976 (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

non holed doughnut earlier in germany

ther germern wikipedia article has an earlier date see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Pfannkuchen#Herkunft any one interested in fixing this oversight in english page see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_(doughnut) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.174.137.238 (talk) 03:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2015



John Davidheiser, Manager, Creative Services, Yum Yum / Winchell's Donuts JohnD@YumYumDonuts.com

Winchell's Donut House began in 1948, two years before Dunkin. Mr. Verne H. Winchell chose the spelling, "donut" for economy of price and space on signage. This according to our own, Mel Allison, who worked closely with Mr. Winchell and has been with the company since January, 1960. I can submit a photo of our 1948 store with the "donut" spelling.


Article should be changed to:

Winchell's Donut House, is the oldest surviving company to use the donut variation. Mr. Verne H. Winchell chose the spelling, "donut" for economy of price and space on signage.

...other chains, such as the defunct Mayflower Doughnut Corporation (1931), did not use that spelling.[20] According to the Oxford Dictionary while “doughnut” is used internationally, the spelling “donut” is American.[21] The spelling “donut” remained rare until the 1950s, and has since grown significantly in popularity;[22] this growth in use has possibly been influenced by the spread of Dunkin’ Donuts.[23]


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Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2016

Donuts, are tasty. One must simply not forget to include this information. Fakeperson1 (talk) 22:06, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, donuts are indeed tasty, but opinions like that aren't really found in encyclopedias. Datbubblegumdoe[talk – contribs] 22:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Why is Doughnut a Semiprotected Article

Are doughnuts controversial? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fakeperson1 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

No, the page has just gotten a lot of vandalism in the past. Datbubblegumdoe[talk – contribs] 22:37, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Regional variations?

The 'regional variations' should make it clear that these are 'similar' foods, not that they are descended from the American doughnut. The original koeksisters are not descended from doughnuts, though there is a case to be made that they are descended from jalebi. Jalebi is certainly not descended from doughnuts... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:400:8000:7650:1C9E:E59F:DF69:D76F (talk) 22:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

"Toroidal"?

The two most common types are the toroidal ring doughnut and the filled doughnut—which is injected with fruit preserves, cream, custard, or other sweet fillings.

Am I the only person who finds it odd that the lead section of an article on doughnuts not only contains the word "toroidal" but also links to an article on a mathematical object? NotYourFathersOldsmobile (talk) 23:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Why do you find that odd? VQuakr (talk) 07:26, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
The word "toroidal" is not one I would expect in an article about doughnuts. NotYourFathersOldsmobile (talk) 14:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I've never heard that term used as a baker. I doubt any bakers know what that even means. Kortoso (talk) 16:14, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Title of the page

This page should be called *Donut* instead of *Doughnut*, since the former is the more common form - see e.g. http://www.googlefight.com/donut-vs-doughnut.php. Even though the standard spelling is listed, people will be thrown off by the usage of the archaic form. --ManniFaltig (talk) 09:38, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

It's not archaic. It's how it's spelt outside America.Correctron (talk) 07:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
It's also how it is spelled in America. --Jayron32 04:03, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
The shorter version is the predominant spelling in America. Correctron (talk) 03:40, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Also, under WP:ENGVAR and WP:TIES this article should obviously be Donut as there are strong national ties to America, the land of it's creation and the home of the most donut eaters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:CA0D:8C00:4999:7C40:9A10:ECAC (talk) 21:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
You have socked your way across three articles now, potato crisp and Mars bar, to push your POV language issues directly against ENGVAR. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Andy, it's not a sock. It's an IP address. You may not like that there are other forms of english than british english, but this is a case where you can say, sure [WP:TIES]] applies here. I didn't change the name, nor the terminology, but lord if it annoys you so much we can put in a move request? You seem to be blatantly pushing your pro-British anti-American viewpoint far more across all of wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:CA0D:8C00:71D7:E952:CC82:5ADA (talk) 07:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Possible etymology

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The word doughnut may have originally referred to a precursor pastry that had no hole and where the element 'nut' referred to a small ball or knot of dough (cf. garlic nuts or knots). It would have been only be a matter of time before someone would get the idea of cutting out the center to provide a greater surface area in the cooking process to avoid a 'sad', i.e., soft center. Ergo, possible derivations are 'dough nut' or 'dough knot'. (Cf. Washington Irving's balls of dough and Hanson Gregory's claim that the original pastry was a twisted piece of dough.)

Although 'logical' etymologies do not have the same weight as etymologies based on a first written recording of a term, another possible etymology might be a reference to the shape of the pastry. Most people will of course readily accept the element 'dough' as referring to the flour mixture. The 'nut' part of the word may well refer to the general shape: a 'nought', i.e., a zero. 'Nut' in this case being simply an attempt to spell what was heard at a time when the word 'nought' was less commonly used to refer to the numeral zero. (Cf. the spelling 'donut' derived from 'doughnut'.) This etymology, however, would only make sense if Hanson Gregory were not the the first to shape the dough to resemble a zero since earlier accounts refer to 'nuts' and appear to not mention holes.

Ergo, 'donut' < 'doughnut' < 'dough-nut', 'dough knot' or 'dough nought', (the last two two-word terms, however, being unattested as such in print).

Pexenfelder (talk) 23:09, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Timbits

Why are Timbits listed as a type of doughnut hole if the Timbits page says they are not doughnut holes despite the close resemblence? 142.231.70.125 (talk) 10:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2016

I suggest that the origin of the word doughnut comes from DOUGH and NOUGHT that is, an old english word for ZERO...thus, a dougnut is a nought (zero) made out of dough.

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Edit request, 30 Oct 2016

In the sentence "The donut spelling also showed up in a Los Angeles Times article dated August 10, 1929", donut should be italic as it refers to the word, not the object. This is correctly done in the rest of the paragraph. 2.25.149.53 (talk) 23:06, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

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There was a clear, neutral voice maintained throughout the entire article, but I do feel that some of the information is a bit outdated. Also, some of the citations are from websites with links that do not work. For example, #70, which should link to “donutking.com” does not actually link to anything. Other examples are #73 and the hyperlink “Desert Doughnuts” in the In Popular Culture- United States section. I noticed that this article has a warning that it needs more citations for verification and that there are sections that might contain original research. Especially in the Shapes section, there should be more reliable sources present. Additionally, I thought it was interesting how the Regional Variations section was so long and comprehensive but the In Popular Culture section was only limited to 3 countries. There should be more information on donuts in pop culture in other countries as well. Rachelchang (talk) 07:54, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2017

49.195.116.129 (talk) 06:35, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Australia has invented a so called jam doughnut which is delicious and also sometimes gives you diarhea

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. ChamithN (talk) 07:13, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

German doughnut

Should we add the following content in article's "see also" section?

Ich bin ein Berliner, a famous speech by John F. Kennedy

Thanks. —usernamekiran[talk] 22:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Donut Hole Diameter

I noticed this historical photo on Reddit today that shows the size of the doughnut hole changed over time. This might inspire someone to investigate and add to the article. https://i.redd.it/llyls0veqnwy.jpg • Sbmeirow • Talk • 14:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2017

Can we add a little information about Bulgaria in the Europe section. It goes like this: "Bulgaria The donuts in Bulgaria are usually under average size, have a sweet topping - chocolate or jam, they are always served in large numbers and have an extremely small hole in the middle. You can buy them on almost every festival. They cost around 2 leva(1 euro or 1,3 dollars) for 15 donuts." Grishol1 (talk) 14:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Izno (talk) 14:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Unhealthy?

A change was made on 19 Mar 2017 which basically says "Doughnuts are unhealthy, some less so than others". It's a very definitive and direct statement, one that does not even exist for Twinkies, or Coca Cola. I would suggest changing it to "generally considered unhealthy", which allows for healthier variations of the treat to exist. Fshafique (talk) 18:26, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Toroidal doughnuts

I am sure that this article at one time said that ring-shaped doughnuts were called toroidal doughnuts. Could, and should, this go back in the article?Vorbee (talk) 14:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Police and Doughnuts

Anyone opposed to adding a section to the article concerning the over-consumption of doughnuts by law enforcement officers? As, according to my preliminary field research, this tends to be a problematic trend, particularly in the United States. 108.201.29.108 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:34, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like WP:NOR to me, which is not allowed in Wikipedia articles. FWIW, there is something already about this in Doughnut#United States which might not be there much longer; so, I'm not sure adding more original research would be very constructive. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:22, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

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I hate doughnuts

I never really cared for these grease-bomb, toothache-inducing sweets. After editing this entry, I hate them even more.

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Grammatical error in the first line

A donut is not a "confectionery". It is a confection. A donut shop would be a confectionery. Billywcwhite (talk) 05:27, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

And you should have changed it yourself ... then added the above comment in as the summary.
I guess you couldn't wait? Chaosdruid (talk) 14:08, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Basics missing

This is the overall article for Doughnuts/Donuts

It NEEDS to have at least MENTIONED that there are two types ... that's just the basics.

  1. Cake doughnuts
  2. Yeast doughnuts

There is an Old-fashioned doughnut article which mentions cake-doughnuts, but this one does not!?!?

I have no desire to mess with the article, but someone really needs to fix this MASSIVE oversight. Chaosdruid (talk) 14:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2017

The doughnut was first created in 1893 by a scottish baker named, Maguire Sullivan. Msullivan3884 (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 17:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

They are yummy Ben.loewenthal (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2018

In the Italian list of Doughnut I would like to add Frittelle from Veneto Mastershaper (talk) 14:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Done —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:17, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Yummo! Ben.loewenthal (talk) 22:54, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Etymology--Donut change(s)

I read today that Dunkin' Donuts has officially changed its name (Business Insider article), dropping the "Donuts". Incorporating this news will take some editing of this page and others, and I doubt my own experience in tackling all required for that, so first wanted to ask for help. Also, I wanted to mention that another statement is possibly not true. "Dunkin' Donuts, which was so-named in 1950, following its 1948 founding under the name Open Kettle (Quincy, Massachusetts), is the oldest surviving company to use the donut variation; other chains, such as the defunct Mayflower Doughnut Corporation (1931), did not use that spelling." Winchell's Donuts was also founded in 1948 (see About us photo caption at https://winchells.com/: "Founder: Verne H. Winchell opened his first donut shop on October 8, 1948, in Temple City, CA"). I don't know if Winchells is in fact the oldest company, but they are approximately as old as Dunkin' and now bravely continue to use the alternate spelling. Vaughnski (talk) 11:49, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

History - Origins

"These doughnuts closely resembled later ones but did not yet have their current ring-sized shape."

"Ring-sized shape" should be "ring shape." Also, there are 3 different times referenced in this sentence: 1) The time of "these doughnuts," 2) "later, and 3) "current" time. It doesn't say when "these doughnuts" were invented or brought to the United States by Dutch settlers. There is no mention of what the "later ones" looked like, so there is no indication of what "these doughnuts" look like, either. The only thing definitive in this sentence is that current doughnuts are ring-shaped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.216.199 (talk) 06:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

The last line of the lead should be changed. Currently it reads:

"Doughnuts are often accompanied by coffee purchased at doughnut shops or fast food restaurants, but can also be paired with milk."

But this suggests that coffee and milk are the only, or the only common, beverages that accompany doughnuts. But this is misleading: people eat doughnuts with pretty much any beverage. The doughnuts and coffee combo is perhaps notable enough to deserve mention, but this should otherwise be made less misleading. If I could edit it I would simply remove everything after "Doughnuts are often accompanied by coffee" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.17.209.145 (talk) 11:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

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