Talk:Clannad (video game)

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Date	Process	Result
June 12, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
October 4, 2008	Good topic candidate	Promoted
June 6, 2009	Good article reassessment	Kept
December 23, 2011	Good topic removal candidate	Demoted
July 25, 2012	Good topic candidate	Promoted
July 22, 2019	Featured topic removal candidate	Demoted
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Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2014/08/23/sekai-project-licenses-clannad-full-voice-edition-steam-release/ --minhhuy ^(talk) 05:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 19 December 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 02:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clannad (visual novel) → Clannad (video game) – Proper disambiguation per WP:NCVGDAB. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 01:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notified: WT:VG, WT:ANIME. — Goszei (talk) 20:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support since Visual novels are a genre of video games and it’s the same reason Contra (video game) isn’t titled Contra (Shoot 'em up). I also noticed the existence of Air (visual novel) and would suggest moving that as well.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 03:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@65.92.160.124: If this move goes through, I will just boldly move the other one or request an uncontroversial move, citing this discussion._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 07:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. A good deal of our VN articles use (visual novel) as disambiguation – see Category:Visual novels. I suspect this has resulted from an attempt to accommodate (via WP:NPOVTITLE) the long-standing debate on whether visual novels should be considered "video games" at all, or something akin to multimedia books. This NPOV argument is something to consider. — Goszei (talk) 08:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Goszei: The RS state that visual novels are absolutely video games. If someone has a problem with that, they'd be going against published RS that state as such. An example is here, where it states that the inclusion of branching path stories qualifies them to be games. Clannad similarly shares a branching plot. There may be an argument when it comes to completely linear visual novels, but those usually aren't even called "visual novels"._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, since WP:NPOV calls for us to cover all views that have been covered by reliable sources means that since reliable sources are in agreement they visual novels are video games our NPOV rules in fact encourage the proposed title. In short wikipedia:NPOVTITLE is a nonissue.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support - I have been baffled by how VNs are treated differently like this for ages, and would very much like to see the (visual novel) disambiguation deprecated.--Alexandra^IDV 13:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Depending on how this goes I believe it may be time to do a large scale move of such articles.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per standard WP:NCVGDAB. Visual novels don't need more precise disambiguation any more than other genres. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 12:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Visual novels exist in a grey area between video games and literature and I would expect the question of whether or not any given visual novel is or is not a video game to be a fairly subjective matter. While "Clannad (video game)" would likely be a perfectly acceptable title; "Clannad (visual novel)" avoids the question of what exactly a visual novel is and avoids the possible implication that the article may be about a video game adaptation of said visual novel. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support: In essence, a visual novel is a form of interactive storytelling, even if it's basically a novel. I think what makes this one a "video game" is the fact that the ultimate outcome is influenced by gamey mechanics rather than being restricted to a single path or several set paths that only require the scrolling of text. Calling Clannad a video game is kind of a no-brainer, as visual novel is more of a genre and mechanical description than a separate entity to a video game. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support this and others- if visual novel is considered a type of video game, then the default disambiguation is (video game) like it is for other types. --Pres N 18:27, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move at Clannad

There's a requested move at Clannad that editors watching this page might be interested in as well. Banedon (talk) 05:40, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clannad is not a "game", it is a "visual novel"

There's constant push to re-lable every visual novel as a video game because of the december 2021 discussion. I first noticed this with FrontWing's ISLAND and it's being pushed everywhere now.

As I've said when I edited that page, Island is not a "game". It is a "choose your adventure" book told with the aid of audio and visual. Visual Novels of the nature of Clannad and Island don't contain investigative player deduction of the Ace Attorney games, the puzzles of Virtue's Last Reward or the stat management of Tokimeki Memorial nor is it interspliced for cutscenes of a more conventional action game or RPG. They're pure deliberate novels and should be treated as such.

I'm requesting a site wide undo of labeling everything visual novel as a video when the work in question lacks a proper gamified element.

None of these works properly match the definition of "video game" as a concept and only serves to mis-inform. Samalik16 (talk) 11:04, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria due to the numerous uncited paragraphs in the article. While the "Plot" section does not need citations, the other sections should have a citation at the end of each paragraph. Is anyone interested in addressing these concerns, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]