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Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

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Move discussion for Phoenix

The article which previously lived at Phoenix (mythology) was recently moved to Phoenix (folklore) and there's a proposal to move it back (on Talk:Phoenix (folklore)). Seems like the arguments made could apply to many mythology articles, so more voices involved would be great. -- Fyrael (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Disputed material on Pachamama

A single user is repeatedly attempting to insert superfluous and poorly sourced material at Pachamama. The recent edit history tells everything you need to know: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pachamama&action=history Additional eyes on this would be welcome. --PluniaZ (talk) 20:13, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Demons

Hello,

Would articles regarding demons fit in the Mythology, or should they fit somewhere else better? Ziminiar (talk) 17:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Cú Chulainn and Ferdiad

An editor called User:CreativeFlesh93 is persistently removing a sourced statement in the articles on Cú Chulainn and Ferdiad referring to them as possible lovers. I don't want to get involved in an edit war or break 3RR, so somebody else please stop him. --Nicknack009 (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Just because you are sourcing a book does not make it a reliable source. The "source" in question that this user is adamant should be included was written by the author Randy P. Connor. He was the *first* person to claim Cú Chulainn and Ferdiad were lovers in his book "Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol & Spirit." This theory Connor formulated was his personal interpretation to add more content to his book and not a factual reading. Connor claimed that in Cecile O'Rahilly's translation of the Cattle Raid of Cooley, "Cúchulainn defeats Ferdiadh by piercing his anus with his "mysterious weapon" the mysterious weapon referred to is the Gáe Bolg. This also suggests less "bisexuality" and more "death by anal rape." Anyways, the mysterious weapon was in fact the gáe bolg, a spear gifted to him by Scáthach that only Cú Chulainn could wield. At no point was O'Rahilly saying Cú Chulainn used his penis to kill Ferdiad. Now you've already baselessly accused me of homophobia and again, without trying to smear anyone, I have assured you there's an immense catalogue of positive LGBTQ characters in mythology so stop trying to shove in unreliable sources, Cú Chulainn and Ferdiad were not two of those characters. CreativeFlesh93 (talk) 18:50, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Accused you of homophobia? Where? --Nicknack009 (talk) 18:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/975194029 Instead of reading the reason I removed this source, you just linked to wp:IDON'TLIKEIT suggesting that I only removed this because I "don't like gay people in Irish mythology" which is absolute rubbish. CreativeFlesh93 (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Some help, please? --Nicknack009 (talk) 22:19, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

You're presenting a WP:FRINGE viewpoint with WP:UNDUE weight, without explaining that it is not accepted by mainstream academia. And editwarring to include it in this unexplained unqualified state with the edit summary "revert arbitrary removal of sourced material". My removal wasn't arbitrary, I explained it in the edit summaries. On top of that you are forum shopping around the 'pedia (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Cú Chulainn and Ferdiad - user persistently removing cited information) begging for help so you don't get blocked for editwarringf ("I can't maintain this alone without risking being called for edit warring or 3RR. Someone, please, lend a hand.") instead of addressing the policy and sourcing issues brought up. Heiro 14:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

If you think it's fringe, then you can't be very familiar with the scholarship on the Ulster Cycle, and if you think it's undue weight, then you'll be delighted that I've expanded it from one clause with one citation to two sentences and three citations. Your and CreativeFlesh93's edits are entirely destructive and have no basis. --Nicknack009 (talk) 16:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that Chinese folklore, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 9 November 2020 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

Tahquitz (disambiguation)

Members of this project might be interested in knowing there is a discussion regarding the Tahquitz (disambiguation) page. The discussion is at Talk:Tahquitz (disambiguation). OvertAnalyzer (talk) 16:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Muse RM notification

An editor has requested for Muse (disambiguation) to be moved to Muse. Since you had some involvement with Muse (disambiguation), you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Whether or not to move depends mostly on the question if a) Muses (the ancient Greek goddesses) is the primary topic, or b) Muses and Muse (band) are comparably significant, and there is no primary topic. ExcitedEngineer (talk) 12:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Mythology of Benjamin Banneker

Input at Talk:Mythology of Benjamin Banneker would be appreciated. A Wired article raised an issue (see link in talk page notice) and there is a discussion about the level of detail and use of sources. Fences&Windows 23:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

For a direct link to the Wired article cited above, see: Cohen, Noam (January 4, 2021). "Wikipedia's Biggest Challenge Awaits in 2021". Wired. Corker1 (talk) 06:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Rick Riordan Presents novels

It seems some published novels mentioned in Rick Riordan Presents give modern stories about a number of mythic figures. Not sure if any of them are notable. HLHJ (talk) 01:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Kitsune

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Greek mythology Featured article review

I have nominated Greek mythology for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:50, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move

I have requested at Talk:Tmolus#Requested move 28 March 2021 that several pages be moved and renamed. Comments and suggestions are very welcome at that discussion. Cnilep (talk) 03:09, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hel (being) : proposed addition of "In popular culture" section

There is a discussion at Talk:Hel (being)#In Modern Culture about the appropriateness of adding an In popular culture section to document the occurrence of the being Hel in certain games. Based on the edit history of the proponent, this may be pertinent to several other articles as well; but Hel (being) is the only one of them on my watchlist. Input from members of this Wikiproject would be helpful. TJRC (talk) 21:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Heimdallr#Requested move 27 July 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Heimdallr#Requested move 27 July 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 23:52, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Navan Fort#Requested move 18 July 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Navan Fort#Requested move 18 July 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 02:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Ipy and Taweret

Not entirely sure if this is the right wiki project to post this but I have a issue.

So I created this article called Ipy (goddess) and I kept noticing how this figure has similarities to Taweret. I did some research and there are some sources indicating they are the same figure.CycoMa (talk) 20:45, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Request for input in category discussion

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_December_12#Category:Incest_in_legend. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:27, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

European dragon (article) // Invalid wikilinks in refnotes?

For now, footnotes pertaining to books do not redirect to the source. (or need to understand how they work) How find these books? -- Nick Budkov (talk) 03:11, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Request for assessment of Lower mythology

Can someone assess Lower mythology 19:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)MaitreyaVaruna (talk)

Discussion at Yellow River Map

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Yellow_River_Map#Merger_proposal, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. GUT412454 (talk) 12:09, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

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Calanthe

I couldn’t find information on Calanthe on Wikipedia so I started Draft:Calanthe. I also noted her absence on the talk page of Damon and Pythias. Hopefully someone will move forward with appropriate incorporating the content and citing it. I’m a bit out of my depth. Thanks. The page Calanthe is currently about a genus of orchids and I didn’t see any mention of the legend. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:47, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lorraine cycle#Requested move 13 August 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lorraine cycle#Requested move 13 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 05:05, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Image for page Agemo (deity)

Hello, I recently created the page Agemo (deity). The page would benefit from an image, however no images of the god exist in a license appropriate for Wikimedia Commons. I have a few options, and I would like to know what the best course of action would be:

• We could leave the page without an image. This wouldn't be bad necessarily, just not ideal.
• I could commission an illustration of Agemo. This would cost money and could potentially be problematic because of it being a modern illustration and not a traditional or historical image.
• The page could use a photograph of a real chameleon species from the region, possibly File:Chamaeleo senegalensis autour de la Pendjari 02.jpg. This would be useful for illustrating what the deity is meant to be, but it would also be just a generic chameleon and not necessarily represent the deity itself.

I'm interested in knowing what the consensus is for what should be done. If you have any other ideas, please share them as well. Thank you. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Mahiravana (Ramayana)#Requested move 14 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mahiravana (Ramayana)#Requested move 14 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Vindhyavasini#Requested move 13 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Vindhyavasini#Requested move 13 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 04:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Expert attention

This is a notice about Category: articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It might take a while before the category is populated. There might be as few as one page in the category, or zero if someone has removed the expert request tag from the page. Treetoes023 (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Redundant/duplicate categories

I found that there's a page for Category:Mythological horses and Category:Horses in mythology and am having a difficult time figuring out if there's reasoning behind the two separate categories or if they should be merged. I've spent a lot of time reading Wikipedia's philosophy and best practices for categories, but it's pretty overwhelming. I'll continue reading in the mean time, but would appreciate some guidance to help going forward. RaidRexx (talk) 23:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Expanding my original issue I've been finding more categories that have overlap. A lot of the issues have to deal with what might just be semantical issues with Mythic/Mythical/Mythological/of Mythology/Legendary/Folklore/in Folklore and also Creature/Monster/Animal/Spirit.

• Category:Mythological creatures
• Category:Legendary creatures
• Category:Mythological monsters
• Category:Mythological animals
• Category:Legendary animals

Category:Horses in mythology has been nominated for discussion

Category:Horses in mythology has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RaidRexx (talk) 04:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that Medjed, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 28 November 2022 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

Is it considered original research...

... to add text to an article on a topic of mythology based on the original writings of the time? For a specific example that I've just encountered, the article on Tarpeia, as mytho-historical figure from early Roman history, has been significantly expanded based on interpretations of the writings of contemporary authors, including Marcus Terentius Varro, Dionysus of Halicarnassus, and Plutarch. It seems to me that, unless one is citing a particular published translation and annotation of those works, citing the original works themselves is a piece of original research since there is considerable scholarship required merely to read and understand such works. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:26, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

There are a lot of different issues in your brief question! I'll tackle a little, some of which you'll know already but will provide common ground, and I hope others will join in. Wikipedia accepts sources in any language, not just English - see for example WP:NONENG - be it for physics, musicology or mythology. The degree of expertise and judgment required to understand that material varies, as much with context as with language. A church's interpretation of New Testament Greek and the US Supreme Court's reading of the Second Amendment can both change lives, Plutarch's Romulus 17 not so much and it's not a particularly subtle passage either. Plutarch's Lives are available in a vast number of translations, including the one used by Shakespeare, so we don't need to rely on just one, but we often reference the Perseus Digital Library for translations of classical texts because it also provides the Greek or Latin, eg Translation's an art, much harder than reading, and words don't map one-to-one across languages so it can be very helpful to see what a translator's grappling with and try to read it for oneself while still accepting they're doing a better job than you could. As for expertise, it varies; Many inscriptions, handwritten messages (eg Vindolanda tablets) or fragmentary survivals in early Latin like the Twelve Tables require specialist knowledge and experience, but Livy's used for teaching schoolchildren.

On the other hand, it is always risky to take Livy or Plutarch at face value as reliable sources. Both write about recent events and events hundreds of years before them which at best were transmitted for many years only by word of mouth if not simply later inventions. Livy projects contemporary concerns back onto early Roman history and his early Rome, while still tiny, fights massive and destructive battles with extraordinary frequency. Plutarch is writing morally improving biographical sketches, and maddens anyone trying to understand, say, the Spartan constitution. Modern scholars trying to use them to figure out what was going on in early Rome strip down, fillet and compare their narratives, sometimes recasting and sometimes exploring how people saw their history.

So our Tarpeia article looks to be doing a great job of treating the story of Tarpeia as a legend, comparing the different accounts without trying to find any one truth in them, and referencing modern articles in scholarly journals as well as telling readers where the passages discussed are in Livy, Plutarch, et al, if they've survived. I haven't delved deep into it but it looks like a model treatment. I dislike naming references with numbers because bad things happen, but that's another story.

. NebY (talk) 00:03, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

@NebY: Thank you for your thoughtful response. I don't know that I agree with all of it, but I'll leave it be for now. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:33, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Inuit sun and moon myth

A couple days ago the page Malina (mythology) looked like this. No proper citations.

So I looked into it, and tracked down several versions that cite where they heard the story from:

• The Arctic Sky (1998) has 2 versions, from the storytellers George Kappianaq and Hervé Paniaq, both from Igloolik.
• Knud Rasmussen's Report of the Fifth Thule Expedition 1921–24 has 2 versions, one from the Pâdlermiut storyteller Kibkârjuk and one from the Iglulik storyteller Ivaluardjuk.
• Franz Boas's The Central Eskimo (1888) has an Akudnirmiut and Oqomiut version of the story, though the storyteller's name is not cited.

What's not included in any of these cited versions is the name "Malina".

• Sister's name:
  • Unnamed (3 versions)
  • Siqiniq, literally "sun" (2 versions)
• Brother's name
  • Aningaat (2 versions)
  • Unnamed (2 versions)
  • Taqqiq, literally "moon" (1 version)

One more half-source is Frank Wilbert Stokes's painting in the Eskimo Hall of the American Museum of Natural History in 1909. It's the image that's the artwork for both the pages Malina (mythology) and Igaluk. In the pamphlet on it, the figures' names are spelled Ahn-ing-ah-neh and Sukh-eh-nukh -- clearly an early attempt to spell Aningaat and Siqiniq.

Plus, "Malina" doesn't even sound like an Inuit word. Initially I thought it was just an usual name. But with this as well, I now think it's an internet myth.

I've done a write-up of the cited versions here. Since the name Malina is wrong, and the page Igaluk is basically just a clone of it since its the same story, I think the best thing to do now would be to delete both pages and create a single new page called "Sun and Moon (Inuit myth)" or something. What's the protocol around that? 23:06, 8 December 2022 (UTC) Eievie (talk) 23:06, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Euryale

Could someone look into merging Euryale (disambiguation) with Euryale? Both of them attempt to be disambiguation pages. The first one includes the biological genera and the ships of that name, and the other contains only the mythological characters but includes a lot of reference information. I would be bold and refactor, but I'm concerned I'd be out of my depth with the mythology. 15:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC) Marnanel (talk) 15:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Rape of Persephone flagged as needing attention from WikiProject Mythology

Attention participants of WikiProject Mythology, the article Rape of Persephone was recently translated from German into English and has been marked as needing attention from WikiProject Mythology. The article is in need of references, images, and general cleanup. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could help out! – Treetoes023 (talk) 03:11, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth#Expansion of LGBT figures in fiction and myth page, asking how to expand the "Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth" page so as to more fully encompass topics about LGBT characters and media within the scope of "fiction and myth", which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 17:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Numbers in Norse mythology#Requested move 15 April 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Numbers in Norse mythology#Requested move 15 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Tabbed infoboxes for deities for different accounts

I've noticed a big controversy over the use of infoboxes due to different accounts. @SnowFire since you removed an infobox on Odin I think you will want to hear this

I think I found a solution. On many fandom wikis there is a tabbed infobox feature such as on this page https://deadoralive.fandom.com/wiki/Marie_Rose

Although it is normally used to present images only. I think we could use something similar to alternate between different versions of the deity from different sources.

We could have a default option for all accounts, plus specific ones Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 05:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about the slow reply. I'm not a super-huge fan of tabbed infoboxes, myself - mostly because I don't think most readers actually notice the tabs. It's worth remembering that Wikipedia has a very, very broad audience - Fandom tends to cater to at least somewhat Internet savvy types, while Wikipedia needs to be accessible by grandparents. I'm also not sure how well tabs work on mobile display. Finally, even ignoring the technical issues, it's not always the case there's a clean breakdown between "types" of a God. It happens sometimes, for sure, where there's a clean break between "versions", but often times it's more of a muddy soup where one tradition blends into another. This, too, makes tabs a bit tricky to use.

That said, it's good to raise the issue - maybe there is a solution, but I'd guess it'd be more "if you use an infobox and some details are disputed, use the following standardized template to express this, or just outright say "See (Prose section)" if it's too complex." SnowFire (talk) 22:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Supreme deity#Requested move 21 May 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Supreme deity#Requested move 21 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – MaterialWorks 15:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Venkateshvara#Requested move 10 June 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Venkateshvara#Requested move 10 June 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 20:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Request for input on Witchcraft talk page

Hello everyone! There is an ongoing discussion occurring at Talk:Witchcraft#Ridiculous! which focuses on women who identify as a witch, their relationships to the term witchcraft and its practices (both historically and present day, see the short descriptor for a start, ""Practice of malevolent magic"), and whether the article is neutral. Historyday01 (talk) 17:13, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Witchcraft: Requested move

There's a discussion about moving the article Witchcraft to Witchcraft (classical) and moving Witchcraft (disambiguation) to Witchcraft instead, at Talk:Witchcraft#Requested move 19 July 2023. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 21:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move of Dīs Pater

There is a proposal at Talk:Dīs Pater#Requested move 30 July 2023 to move an article indicated to be of interest to this project, Dīs Pater to Dis Pater. NebY (talk) 17:13, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Discussion re scope of List of death deities

List of death deities currently includes many deities who aren't clear, direct personifications of the end of life itself, or bringers of death or grim reapers, but are closely associated with death, an underworld, an afterlife, or suchlike. Members of this WikiProject may be able to help with this discussion about what the scope should be and how it might be expressed. NebY (talk) 18:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Flood myth has been censored of the Genesis account

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Talk:Flood myth#Biblical Flood mostly missing – Someone experienced in the topic is needed to WP:SUMMARY-treat Genesis flood narrative and re-add the gist to Flood myth.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Dongyue Emperor#Requested move 23 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dongyue Emperor#Requested move 23 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

RfC about the popular culture section at Sisyphus

An article which may be of interest to members of this project—Sisyphus—is discussing whether to retain its "In Popular Culture" section or not. If you are interested, please participate in the discussion. Sariel Xilo (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Troilus

Troilus has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Hybrid beasts in folklore#Requested move 2 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Hybrid beasts in folklore#Requested move 2 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 14:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Prithu

Prithu has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Isaac

Isaac has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (chat!) 10:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Agalope (mythology) unrelated translation

The translations of the page Aglaope (mythology) are not linked to pages already existing on other wikis where translations of the page have already been made: Aglaopé (mythologie).

I don't know how to solve this type of problem, so I'm asking for your help. Gzouillle (talk) 13:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Biblical and Quranic narratives#Requested move 7 April 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Biblical and Quranic narratives#Requested move 7 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 17:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Andromeda (mythology) image deletion discussion

There is an image deletion discussion about the file "Clash of the Titans poster" in use at Andromeda (mythology). It demonstrates that the myth remains current, and that misinterpretation of the black princess of Aethiopia as a white woman is also continuing, a matter of racism in the eyes of some of the cited scholars. Project members are invited to contribute their opinions to the discussion. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Input request

• Jinn (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• Users are discussing DUE/UNDUE relevance and fringe-ness inputs requested also at Talk:Jinn#Comparative mythology.

also Pre-RfC stage info:
Also A user has proposed updates for consideration at this sand box for the article Jinn. As a discussion facilitator fyi a WP:DUE discussion (some aspects may touch WP:Fringe) is at Talk:Jinn#Pre-RfC stage's WP:RSN#Hachette Livre and WP:ORN step. After RSN and WP:ORN step, RfC formatting is likely to be discussed at Talk:Jinn#Pre-RfC in a new sub section.

Bookku (talk) 04:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Possible problem edits on Greek Mythology pages

According to this discussion on r/GreekMythology on reddit someone may be making bad faith edits on Greek Mythology pages.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreekMythology/comments/1cy4ktx/anyone_else_noticed_someone_started_to_make_wrong/

Duggy 1138 (talk) 23:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

If Perdix (mythology) is merged with Talos (inventor), what should the destination be?

The two articles Perdix (mythology) and Talos (inventor) seem to both be describing the same mythical character, nephew of Daedalus who, according to legend, invented the potter's wheel, saw, and compass. However, there seems to be some disagreement in ancient sources about whether Perdix was the name of Daedalus's sister with a son named Talos, Calos, or Attalus, or whether Perdix was the name of Daedalus's nephew (with a mother of unknown name). Either way though, this story would be best consolidated in one wiki page instead of duplicated twice. (The mother herself doesn't seem to be independently notable, with ancient sources focused on her brother and son.) I don't feel qualified to judge which would be the most useful title of that article though. Does anyone who knows more about Greek mythology have any insight? –jacobolus (t) 23:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Iṣṭa-devatā (Hinduism)#Requested move 25 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Iṣṭa-devatā (Hinduism)#Requested move 25 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 00:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Ýdalir

Ýdalir has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Should Cain and Abel be merged into Cain and Abel?

Your view is welcome at Talk:Cain_and_Abel#Should_Cain_and_Abel_be_merged_into_this_article?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Thunderbird (mythology)#Requested move 9 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Thunderbird (mythology)#Requested move 9 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Jinn: RfC: Proposed additions of text 1

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User inputs and comments are requested at:

• Talk:Jinn#RfC: Proposed additions of text 1.

Bookku (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Memnun vs. Memnon?

There is a draft going through the AfC review process, where input from those in the know would be appreciated. The draft Draft:Memnun describes the Etruscan mythological character, as distinct from Memnon. The draft was declined on the basis that the two subjects appear to be the same, and myself and another reviewer have expressed similar concerns, but the author ( Courtesy ping: Magistracraig) feels differently. Normally AfC reviewers don't need to be subject matter experts, but on this occasion the acceptability or otherwise of the draft hinges on whether Memnun and Memnon are substantially the same or not, which feels way above my pay grade at least. Would anyone here care to chip in with their views, either here or on the draft talk page? Thanks in advance, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing Thank you for the continued conversation. I will ask for some follow up as well from Classically trained folks I know. Magistracraig (talk) 20:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Just as a reminder to the Mythology community -there is already a Etruscan Thesan (Eos/Aurora) page distinct from Eos' wikipedia page - so it seems to me that the Etruscan mother Thesan and Etruscan son Memnun be given the amount of published space because the Etruscans were a non-Indo-European outlier in the ancient Greco-Roman world according to the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

The Thesan (wikipedia page) displays the goddess but sadly her mixed race Eithiopian son (Memnun) is missing from the mythological tradition and this is not his first absence in the mythological canon. In addition the distinct Etruscan archaeological evidence supports the wealth of Etruscan mirrors representing the mother/son pair.

There is also a distinct list of Etruscan gods already at Wikipedia but ones that do not link to any information about Memnun (footnote 28)

List of Etruscan mythological figures

As a credentialed teacher of Latin (English) and life long student of the classics my interest is to support a Memnun page to support inclusive learning- just in time for a world premier play on the hero where the play subtitle states: "A name you won't soon forget." -not my quote and more info after the play begins at the end of August. Pax Omnibus Nobis! Magistracraig (talk) 20:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)