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Feature pictures Announcement!

Calling ALL PAKISTANI WIKIPEDIANS!!

If you would like to see your best quality, highly featureable images to be voted upon. Add them to the Commons:Featured picture candidatespage of the Wiki Commons website. There are afew Pakistani related images up for nomination. If you want to submit a picture, follow the strict guidlines please.

Vote for these at the moment! We need more featured photos of Pakistan. We only have TWO!!

1. Wazir Khan tile artwork
2. Shalamar Gardens
3. Shalamar Gardens
4. PIA at Skardu

Thanks.. and get voting! --Fast track (talk) 22:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

False editing being done against Shia Politicians articles

Well i am very concerned over the view that some editor's are continuously editing the articles about SHIA Muslim Politician of Pakistan,they are trying to conceal the facts by adding false information or simply removing the proved documentation mentioned in those articles about them being Shia Muslims. As a NPOV, i request you to stop or message such editors who usually edit the articles of Shia Muslims in Pakistan,specifically of Muhammed Ali Jinnah,Fatima Jinnah,Benazir Bhutto,Asif Ali Zardari,Yahya Khan,Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,Fatima Bhutto,Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Yusuf Raza Gillani,they all are surely Shia Pakistanis.Many of them remained silent on their religious point of views of being Shia,it doesn't mean they aren't! I can provided 100% concrete evidence of all of them being Shia Muslims!And so far i had,but all has been removed by some one or the other! As wikipedia is a Biographical encyclopedia then why they aren't mentioning some real facts,so that the people reading these articles could know well about them. Please take action against these false editing.

Paki90 (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Pakistani FA or GA

Is there any way to identify which articles that are tagged with WP Pakistan and are listed as either FA or GA? --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 00:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

See Category:FA-Class Pakistan articles and Category:GA-Class Pakistan articles. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

For a complete list of quality classes, see this table. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, right. I forgot about the table. Thanks! --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 01:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Miss Pakistan World

Shamefully enough, the author of this article Sonia Ahmed or Sonisona (talk), who happens to be the president of the firm for which the article is written, is slanted towards her biased point-of-view and is preventing the article from growing organically. Please view the article in its current state and check out its history in which all possible good edits have been reverted or reworded to impose her point-of-view. I have suggested deleting the article to let the author know of her deeds. What do you guys suggest? Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 10:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I would vote for deletion but it would be difficult since the article has some proper sources. From my past experience nominating it for deletion because of a NPOV issues, never works out. Plus there are other two editors working on it. The best option would be to get the editors to remove the POV and add more sources. --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 23:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem is, the two editors that you mention have tried to edit the article and remove all the POV but the author retains the POV-orientation. You've seen the article and check after a while when Sonisona (talk) has made her changes. It'll all come back to being all sweet and full of that oh-so-boring POV. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 23:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to point out that, per WP:COI, people affiliated with the organization, especially its president, are NOT at all supposed to edit the article. Please add a note at WP:ANB. --Ragib (talk) 05:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

This article has now been nominated for deletion via AFD at it's deletion entry. Please feel free to nominate your choice. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 20:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

LahoreKid has left the building

User:LahoreKid has been blocked indefinitely for operating multiple sockpuppet accounts. WWGB (talk) 00:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Kashmir

Salamalikum fellow muslims, I'm from Srinagar, Kashmir. I have noticed that the article on "Kashmir" on wikipedia is very indianized which is not a very good sign.

PLEASE DO SMTHN ABOUT IT!

Syedtalha (talk) 04:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Please feel free to edit the article, or discuss what issues you feel need to be looked at. Pahari Sahib 04:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Road to FA

For the past few days, I have been looking into biographical stubs. I have realised with patience, diligence and research, one can include content by five-fold in such articles to make it acceptable for DYKs submitted here.

What I suggest here is that we should all spot such articles or any newly created article and enrich them with sourced facts and submit in to DYKs on a regular basis. Once that is done, the articles can be declared a certain share of notability and then can be converted into B-Class by adding some more content. peaceUllukapatha (talk) 10:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC) This worked pretty well with the following articles I worked on:

1. Ayesha Omar
2. Yasmeen Ghauri
3. Veena Malik
4. Vaneeza Ahmad
5. Strings (band)

..and I found out that once they are submitted to the DYKs, authors outside of this WikiProject also try to fix basic errors in articles. I must say I pretty pleased with the above articles and would suggest every project member to write articles in this way. At least, all biographical articles should have one DYK associated to it. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 17:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Great work Arun. For newly created articles within the scope of this project, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan/New articles --IslesCape^Talk 16:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 1094 of the articles assigned to this project, or 24.5%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

This is really useful. I suggest we update/replace the current 'To Do List' page, as it does refer to the cleanup issues. Exiting contents of the page can be moved to other relevant pages.--IslesCape^Talk 15:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.

• The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
• The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
• A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot (Disable) 21:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind notice, Shep. I have added the C-Class in the Wikipedia banner for this project such that if the B-Class criteria is not fulfilled then the C-Class automatically appears. Thanks, Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 00:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

osmanistan

I just created a new article on Osmanistan but its not too detailed, it would help a lot if someone could add to it. However, im not sure where to 'advertize' it. As its a Pakistan's hsitory page i thought id add it here. do ya'll know where to add it.Lihaas (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Awal Shah Khattak Chokara

Another editor created the article Awal Shah Khattak Chokara with the following text: "Chairman Awal Shash of Chokara was the great politician, surkhposh Rahnoma,great nationalist, and well known person of the Karak. He developed the village chokara in every field of life. he lonched water scheme at every corner of the Union councile chokara. He never defeted in election.He have three sons, Mr. Noor Bad Shash, Mir Ahmad Khan and Abdullah Khan Khattak. Mr. Hameedullah is the grand son of Awal Shash. He is great politician of the area.He paly an active role in local politics.Mr.Nazir Khattak is also a grand son of Chairman Awal Shash. He is serving as Deuty director(GIS)in Ministry of environment, Islamabd."

The article may have been deleted by now, but if you think that the person is notable, you might want to edit the article.

As well, there have been some recent edits to Khattak which should be reviewed and perhaps reverted. --Eastmain (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Simple English wikipedia may need your help

Hello there; I am sorry if I am posting this here. It may be unrelated to your Wikiproject, it is not on English-language Wikipedia either. I am Eptalon (Admin and CheckUser Simple English Wikipedia). Recently, an editor joined our ranks. This editor has not created an account; he (I am assuming he is male) edits mostly topics related to Pakistan (we recently saw the addition of many tehsils in Pakistan; before that he edited some articles related Kashmir; in general he seems to be interested in Geography). He is generally very active. The IP he uses to edit is based around Manchester, in the United Kingdom. We have tried to contact him (to tell him things like using {{stub}} for short articles, or putting interwiki links on those articles (he mostly copies parts of articles from EnWP). So far, he has not responded - so we cannot tell if our messages get through.

I do not know how common English is in Pakistan (or among the Pakistani community in GB); I also do not know what language is common in Pakistan. At the moment, I am assuming good faith; and I think he may have a language problem. My question to you would therefore be if you could help us get him to talk to us. At the moment, his edits do not constitue a breach of any rules (they just create a lot of work for other editors, adding stub templates or iw links).

• His talk page: simple:User talk:92.2.101.184
• His contributions: simple:Special:Contributions/92.2.101.184
• The message on Simple's Admin Noticeboard: simple:WP:AN#Special:Contributions.2F92.2.101.184

Help would greatly be appreciated. (Another note: we are very open to Pakistan-related topics; at the moment we just do not have editors with this background.) --Eptalon (talk) 10:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Jehan

Have a look at the Noor Jehan page and let me know what else needs doing. I want to still add a personal life type section but not a trivia sections like there was before. At the moment I think I have done some justice to the history section. As I am no pro with Noor Jehan's work I would like people who know a bit more about her to read the article and have a look and tell me if I have gone wrong. I still need to reference it, there weren't any to start with so it would be cool if people can add them or leave useful links on the talk page. SholeemGriffin (talk) 23:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Help needed with Hameed Shahid

Hi, I have been editing the article on Hameed Shahid, which was created by a user named Istaara. I have reason to believe that this is the subject of the article (see here. Istaara has also created articles for the books written by Shahid (all linked to from that article) and for some books written by others (but those articles also talk mostly about Shahid and even give his picture). I do not read Urdu and it is difficult for me to assess the notability or lack thereof of this author, so before putting the whole bunch of articles up for AfD as a walled garden of self-promotion, I would be good if someone knowledgeable on the subject of Urdu literature could have a look at this. Thanks! --Crusio (talk) 10:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Well Done

When I left this project a year ago (due to my absence from wikipedia), there were more Unassessed articles than assessed but now You people have turn the tables.Keep it up.User talk:Yousaf465

User:SaqibChaudhry and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Click2Mail

Hello.
Can someone please have a look at SaqibChaudhry (talk · contribs), especially the articles created by him and their respective categorizations of importance and quality, in particular Talk:Pakistan German Business Forum, Talk:Japan - Pakistan business co-operation committee, Talk:Federation of Pakistan Chamber of Commerce & Industry? At the moment they are all high importance articles, some are even feature articles. :)
Furthermore, you might be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Click2Mail.
Cheers, Amalthea (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Ansar-ul-Islam (Pakistan)

Could you please look at the article Ansar-ul-Islam (Pakistan)? It is unreferenced, and I do not know if it should be kept. --Eastmain (talk) 06:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Mir Taqi Mir

Do you think the Mir Taqi Mir article comes under the scope of WP Pakistan? I remember studying him for Urdu in 10th grade so I am curious. If he comes under the scope of WP Pakistan then I think I might edit the article and make it pretty. SholeemGriffin (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It should because its part of Urdu literature. But maybe it should be under Wikiprojects Urdu (if there is such a project) Zohair Ahmad (talk) 06:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The article is currently under the domain of WP India, Biographies and Muslim Scholars. I thought perhaps he should be under WP Pakistan as he forms a part of the cultural upbringing of every school goer in Pakistan. He has influenced loads of other poets like Ghalib so perhaps he should be under WP Pak. Anyway, Ghalib comes under WP Pakistan and he was an Urdu poet before Pakistan was formed so perhaps same treatment should be given to Mir. Well this is all that is going through my mind at the moment. However, he was an Urdu poet but well before Pakistan was formed which makes me wonder whether he qualifies as a WP Pak article contender. SholeemGriffin (talk) 01:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Urdu script needed

Urdu script needed at Shan Masala. Badagnani (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Awesomeness, they actually have an article on shan masala. May be I can scan a box or something and put the picture on there, if that's ok by copy right law. Like take a picture of a couple of boxes arranged in some way or something. I am so amazed. SholeemGriffin (talk) 23:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

How to use an image I need

I've been editing the Pakistan Navy Engineering College article. I found this image on the universities page. How do I know if this is copyrighted or not?? Zohair Ahmad (talk) 11:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

As it's on PNEC's website. Best way is to contact them for permissions. You may also like to look at WP:IMAGE and WP:ERP. --IslesCape^Talk 11:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Pakistani English

I was somewhat surprised to see that it is a redirect to Indian English, which is incorrect. English is Pakistan is while similar to Indian English is distict enough to have its own articles to many differences.

Pakistani English

Sparten (talk) 09:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Are these sites encyclopaedic?

Hi. We have several dozen links to four domains, all related by ownership; at least one of these we know has been systematically spammed. See this discussion which includes links to the sites:

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#twocircles.net

Your input on the usefulness of any of these links as encyclopaedic sources would be very much appreciated and I invite you to chip in on the WikiProject Spam talk page.

Thanks, --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Kargil War

Kargil War has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

Rudyard Kipling FAR

Rudyard Kipling has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

POK article

There is a pro indian user Kashmir Cloud who is canvassing votes to keep a very biased article called POK i urge all users to vote and delete it 86.158.235.148 (talk) 13:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Now canvassing the way you do is inappropriate despite the fact that supporters of keeping the article are doing it. If any editors associated with the present WikiProject would like to look at the article in question it is Pakistan occupied Kashmir, and I have also added it to WikiProject Pakistan. __meco (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

It is appropriate to mention this at the relevant wikiproject. this however was posted on many userpages Pahari Sahib 23:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Pakistan

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

FA Review

Muhammad Ali Jinnah has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Kohala or Kohalla and Kohal(l)a Bridge

The three pages Kohala, Pakistan, Kohala Bridge and Kohalla Bridge are rather disorganised! What is the correct spelling - one "L" or two? What is needed is one article on the bridge (including the photos) with the alternate spelling a redirect. And information on the town moved to the place article not the bridge article! Hugo999 (talk) 13:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

92.3.59.58

We're having some trouble with simple:user:92.3.59.58 on Simple English Wikipedia. Any idea who he is? He edits nothing but Pakistan/India-related articles. --Gwib (talk) 18:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

We've been attempting to contact him on Simple, but all the conversation is one-way – he never replies to our messages. Any info you have would be a real help! Mⁱc_rochip ⁰⁸ 18:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Just as a note, the editor is probably the same as the one outlined in Simple Englidh Wikipedia needs your help above. --Eptalon (talk) 21:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

a little bit of help

i'm involved in editing the article Iqbal Tikka, and i don't think it meets WP's notability guidelines for biographies. i could only find 2 sources that mention him; 2 other ones that mention a name similar to his; and the article needs alot of cleanup and more refs if it is to survive on wikipedia. - -The Spooky One (talk to me) 03:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

AHK up for TFA

I have nominated Akhtar Hameed Khan to appear on mainpage at his 9th Death Anniversary on October 9th. You can oppose or support the nomination at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#October 9. Cheers --IslesCape^Talk 17:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Akhtar Hameed Khan on Mainpage

Congratulations everyone! Akhtar Hameed Khan is appearing on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article on 9th October. Thanks for all your help and support. --IslesCape^Talk 10:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Rivers of Pakistan - copyright violations and clean up

Hi - I have found some copyright violations in the articles on rivers. I am working to verify the facts included and make the prose more neutral. An example was the Hungol River which was plagiarised from http://www.pakistanpaedia.com/parks/hingol/national_parks_of_pakistan-hingol.html . The editor (User:Siddiqui) who added that material has been blocked as a sockpuppet and banned per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan. I came across these articles at Simple English wikipedia where I believe potentially tendentious editing has been occurring and certainly the addition also of material that breaches copyright and is unreferenced and therefore unverified. Out of that material i have created simple:List of rivers of Pakistan and I am attempting to clean up and verify the articles that relate to rivers of Pakistan. I am cross-checking against this wikipedia's entries as I go. Any comments (or assistance) would be welcome. --Matilda ^talk 20:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Baloch Republic Army

I'm not sure how long it has existed or if it new. But a new article could be in the offing. They've already made at least 1 attack, and it adds to the general insurgency in Balochistan. Lihaas (talk) 22:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Pashtun people has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 05:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:MrHussainbritishpassport2.JPG

Hi, Can someone look at Image:MrHussainbritishpassport2.JPG and say if it is fake or not? Thank you. --Joshua Issac (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Pakistan Cities

The city infobox needs a lot of working-on. It is just too raw. I believe cities infobox should be based on Pakistan Infobox theme i.e green. Some help can be taken from Indian cities template. Image and image caption options should aslo be added. Marsa Lahminal (talk) 16:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Assessment Section

The assessment section of this WikiProject is too dead, in fact this entire WikiProject is dead. Articles that have been requested for assessment for months now have not been assessed yet. Marsa Lahminal (talk) 16:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Article needs some expert help

Hi there, I came across Reko Diq and it's a mess. One editor added a lot of information that makes the page look funky and there's a lot of gibberish from the looks of it added by a slew of IPs. I'm not sure what's fact and what's fiction. Does anyone here know about this region that could fix the page? Thanks. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 05:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I've cleaned it up and taken out the worst invective. I've probably left more of the campaign claims there than I should have done, as there are real environmental issues which do need to be dealt with. Rather than deleting it all, I've asked for citations for several unsourced statements. This page could do with an eye being kept on it, as it has started out as an environmentalist vehicle. Umar Zulfikar Khan (talk) 19:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad Tahir Rasheed or Sheikh Muhammad Tahir Rasheed?

I moved Sheikh Muhammad Tahir Rasheed to Muhammad Tahir Rasheed, assuming that the "Sheikh" was a title. Is this wrong? Is the "Sheikh" part of his name? Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 19:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, in this article the "Sheikh" is a title. Umar Zulfikar Khan (talk) 12:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Issues with Indian maps

standard convention currently followed

Im not sure if i had asked this before, but i think it is in the best interests of everyone that all of us follow a consistent approach while creating maps of Pakistan and India. As you know, the WP:INMAP section has been quite active and have made a large number of maps which can be seen here Commons:Category:WikiProject India Maps that are used in over 20,000+ articles. It is important for us to know if anyone in the Pakistan project have any issues regarding the representation of Kashmir in those maps, particularly the convention followed in File:India map blank.svg. It would be great to get the feedback from the community so that we can improve our work and not have disputes or misunderstandings later on which might render all our work useless -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 09:56, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

New editor contributions

I am a bit concerned about the huge amount of article creations and edits over the last day or two by Newbie WALTHAM1. I have reverted several of the edits, redirected one, copy edited another, Khatrils and also noted another editor has Afd'd another of the articles for notability, of which there are others similar in style. I don't have sufficient knowledge to be able to tell if all these articles about Kashmir / Pakistan tribes are genuine or notable enough to warrant inclusion. Could an experienced editor please take a look through them? I will help where possible in copy editing and English spelling corrections. I also have some archive images in my family archives from the early 1900's that were taken up in the NWFP districts, which may be suitable for inclusion. Richard Harvey (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The main problem with the editing is not following the MoS, the clans and tribes were notable enough to be included in the census conducted by the British during the colonial era. Unlike ancient tribes such as the Banochaemae, these tribes have not disappeared, are still around and therefore I think are notable enough for inclusion. I too have been editing some these new creations including the Baghial (which needs some modern day data) and Dhamial Jats. Rather than being AFD, they should be redirected to an appropriate article, however I think perhaps a bit of patience with the newcomer would be best. Like all newbies the edits get better Pahari Sahib 21:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Urdu transliteration

Do we have a template for requesting Urdu (or any other script) transliterations? I'd like to have this done to the Syed Mumtaz Alam Gillani article. __meco (talk) 11:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Could someone produce the Urdu (and possibly Pashto) transliteration for Nizam-e-Adl Regulation? Let me know if there is more appropriate channel for this; I could not find one.--RDavi404 (talk) 14:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Hamid Mir

I was wondering if somebody has the time to look at this article. It's recently flared up with several new editors with strong opinions on the subject (on both sides) posting to the article. Much of the material posted is non-NPOV, some of probably too much detail and much of it only roughly sourced. Any help from somebody fairly neutral on the subject and with a bit of time on their hands ( I am the first but not the second right now) would be appreciated. - SimonLyall (talk) 08:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

What is the Urdu of Consulate-General of Pakistan in Houston ?

Hi! What is the Urdu of Consulate-General of Pakistan in Houston ? Usually consulate websites post their names in multiple languages, but in this case this consulate's site is only in English. What is the Urdu for it? WhisperToMe (talk) 07:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Indian independence movement under GA review

Hello there, the article Indian independence movement which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.--Jackyd101 (talk) 11:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Recognition of Marital Rape in Pakistani Law

Hi! The article Recognition of Marital Rape in Pakistani Law was recently saved from AfD. The article was a copy-paste copyvio, but it seemed notable enough to be saved. All that is left after removing the copyvio text is a very sketchy historical outline of the subject and a list of references left over from the copyvio text. I figured this project would be interested in picking up and working on this article or helping to decide what should come of it (a merge into something existing, etc). Thanks! SMSpivey (talk) 05:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Need mouseum photos

may anyone make photos of Pakistani Plated mail and Mirror armour? especially interested in famous sind-armour (Idot (talk) 02:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC))

Zuhaib Bhatti

This article was recommended for deletion 10 days ago. The few sources I have been able to Google indicate that he works in Pakistani television. No one has yet commented one way or the other on whether or not to delete it. My personal opinion is that his notability, if it exists, is in non-English language sources and that only Pakistani editors are in a position to confirm it one way or the other. Does anyone here feel like checking him out? Rklear (talk) 00:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The "islamic Channel" mentioned without a name in that very short page is Labbaik TV (see aksnetwork.tv). I can't find anything notable which is so far credited to Zuhaib Bhatti. With so much ambition, perhaps he will go far. Umar Zulfikar Khan (talk) 06:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

New banner needed

A banner of this kind is needed.Anyone with some gif skills is welcome.User talk:Yousaf465

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chak No. 4 JB Ram Dewali needs your help

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chak No. 4 JB Ram Dewali needs some help on deciding what the correct name of Chak No. 4 JB Ram Dewali is, and possibly whether this would be a stand-alone village or part of a larger settlement. Education would be appreciated. Thanks! --Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Moved article to Ram Diwali, added ref and infobox. Pahari Sahib 23:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Pakistan

Resolved

I have nominated Pakistan for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 05:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot (Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 06:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Criminal Tribes Act

This new article about Criminal Tribes Act first enacted in 1871, and later 1911 under the British rule in India, might have some tribes amongst Ethnic groups in Pakistan, any contribution especially regarding the continuing stigma around these "criminal tribes" would be appreciated, thanks! --Ekabhishek (talk) 06:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Muhammad Usman Diplai

This article was just created yesterday and I tagged it for inclusion in WikiProject Pakistan, but I'm lost as to what categories it should have since I'm far from being an expert in this field. I also can't find a reliable biographical source. I thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention, as it seems this is a notable article. I also wikilinked a few instances of his name in other articles. §FreeRangeFrog 19:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Babar Awan

i have tagged it for inclusion to wikiproject Pakistan. It needs quite abit of editing with references.

Inculded.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Ba'ab-ul-Islam

I noticed this newly created page Ba'ab-ul-Islam while patrolling new pages. I'm not quite sure what to make of it, and hope that someone from this project can take a look. The opening sentence does not make a lot of sense to me, but I get the impression from the article that it synonymous with Sindh and wonder if the two should be merged. --Derek Andrews (talk) 22:23, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The article's name is a uncommon nickname for Sindh. I don't know why the editor created this article as there is no justification for it. Some of the work seems to be sent to take up space. Some parts should be merged with Sindh, others deleted. --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 22:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Muhammad Iqbal FAR

I have nominated Muhammad Iqbal for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cirt (talk) 02:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Provisional Constitutional Order

With so much debate going on in media about Provisional Constitutional Order, I'm sure we can transform it from a one-liner to a good article.Najafhaider (talk) 22:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I think the debate for that has passed. If your not busy could you add more sources to the Muhammad Iqbal article to avoid it's FA status being removed? --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 22:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

It need a Expansion.FInd it's text also.yousaf465

External Link

I have recently added an External Link to a page on 'Lahore' but that edit was later revoked by the editor considering it a spam !!

That link was in total adherance to the External Links Guidelines and was adding value to the content of the page. In fact, it was elaborating on the few places mentioned inside the articles (like popular places to visit).

But, unfortunately, the editor considered it as a spam, reason being given as doing a self-promotion.

It really opens up a debate that why I can't add my own link?

I am a travel enthusiast and have worked on various Travel related projects especially in Pakistan so it is no surprise that I share this knowledge with my users by making a website.

My website is about 5 years old now with over 70 pages worth of information for the readers. I have received emails from all over the world seeking advice for travelling to Pakistan. Initially my site was on a free host which I have recently moved to a new domain.

Further, I truely believe that WikiPedia is about sharing quality content and keeping the same trait, I suggested a URL but surprisingly it was not accepted.

In brief, I need your opinions about what wrong I have done here except adding a quality link to the article?

Thanks, Yasir Yasiraq (talk) 17:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasiraq (talk • contribs) 16:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Adding a link that you yourself are associated with is strongly advised against by our WP:COI guideline. Self-promotion does seem to be the case here. If someone else decides to add the link, that's a different matter, but they should still obtain consensus. EdJohnston (talk) 04:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Syed Ahmed Khan

I have nominated Syed Ahmed Khan for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.Cirt (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

2009 Lahore police academy crisis

More attention is required at 2009 Lahore police academy crisis, a rapidly developing story. JSR 0562 06:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Ziaur Rahman FAR

I have nominated Ziaur Rahman for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cirt (talk) 04:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Elite Police

This needs improvements now.yousaf465

Fedayeen al-Islam created

Please improve it.yousaf465

WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan#Proposed deletions

Not a lot of use has been made of that section recently, so I'd thought I'd mention that I just added a proposed deletion, if anyone would like to take a look. - Dank (formerly Dank55) (push to talk) 17:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Louze (Pakistan) - please cleanup

I've split this article off from Louze, please clean it up though. Thank you. –xeno ^talk 15:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Should have mentioned a bit earlier that I had done some work on this. Pahari Sahib 10:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Faisalabad Help!

Hi Guys,

Im working on the city of Faisalabad, take a look at its before and afta to see the changes. I would love to have someone helping out with it. Drop me a msg on my Talk Page. --Fast track (talk) 01:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Bhago

I was wondering if anyone has anyone has any information about Bhago that they could contribute. I can find no references to it, but I am fairly certain that it is a valid article. It says that it is close to Mangla, Mirpur District, Azad Kashmir so I have assumed that it is there but I know nothing about Pakistani geography. If anyone could help contribute I would appreciate it. Thanks! ReformatMe (talk) 15:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Added location details and fixed some spelling :-) Pahari Sahib 21:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Molana yaqoob alvi birotvi and several others related to Circle Bakote have been deleted

Over at WP:AN/I we came across a number of articles about residents of the Circle Bakote. Several were deleted including Molana Yaqoob Alvi Birotvi, Sayed Fazal Hussain Shah, and Obaidullah Alvi. These appear to be non-notable, but there are some concerns that there may be some miscommunication about sourcing and our own lack of knowledge about the reason. What isn't in doubt is that most of these were in dire need of complete re-writes and wikification. Also, all of these appear to be related to User:Molvi333 who is the subject of the deleted Mohammed Obaidullah Alvi, an earlier version of Obaidullah Alvi that was deleted after a discussion in 2007 seen here. Anyone familiar with the subjects/region would be appreciated if they would comment at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Molana_yaqoob_alvi_birotvi. If you would like to see any of the deleted articles, ask me, and I'll be happy to copy them into your user space or I could set up an area in my user space to help establish if these subjects are or are not notable. AniMate^draw 23:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

They were all really badly written articles about people of unproven notability. Pahari Sahib 10:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan_by_the_United_States

There is an interesting discussion on this talk page about the appropriate title of this article. some of you may want to weigh in.Wikireader41 (talk) 18:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Note, I moved this to Drone attacks in Pakistan. Pahari Sahib 10:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Asrar Ahmad Adraak Pakistani poet,writer

An article wriiten by Adraak3 about Asrar Ahmad Adraak has been nominated for deletion. The main issue with the article is a total lack of sources (nor ones online, as a Google search would reveal). I believe sources establishing his notability may exist in Urdu and thus decided to post it here, as editors here may be more adept at finding sources in Urdu than me. P.S I am not the editor who nominated it for deletion. --Roaring Siren (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Heading to trash.yousaf465

Liaquat Ali Khan GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Liaquat Ali Khan for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Mamma kia main bohut kala hoon?

Can someone with a knowledge of the literature take a look at Mamma kia main bohut kala hoon?. It may be that my Urdu search skills are lacking, but I can't find information on it. Anyone willing to take a look? --TeaDrinker (talk) 22:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Sikhism featured article review

I have nominated Sikhism for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

About china pakistan relation article

I have gone through the timeline .. a subarticle in this relationship article and make it perfect and also put some sources for china and pakistan military relationship sub article and rewrite it as well. please tell me how I can make it more better so that you can remove this thing; which says "This article or section has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page." —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZHJ786 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

2600 dead bodies found in Kashmir

December 2, 2009 Human rights orginization found 2600 dead bodies in mountains of Kashmir.In those dead bodies more than 1 dozen were militants and all other were thousands innocents civilians.All those were killed by indian security forces. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_re_as/as_kashmir_nameless_graves Please add this news in these pages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Kashmir_conflict (datestamp added so archive bot can remove after due period) 09:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Farzana Raja

I made a fresh start on the page because its current version was a copyvio from her personal website. Previous versions had been lacking citations. One thing I could use help with is locating wikipedia pages about her in other languages (since I don't read Urdu) and linking to them.--Larrybob (talk) 00:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Made some changes, article looks fairly good. Pahari Sahib 10:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

HElp!

Can someone take a look at Iffat Rahim and see if they can add sources? Thanks. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 00:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Called for help, User_talk:Pahari_Sahib#Iffat_Rahim and also will be editing on my own.--yousaf465 04:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I added a couple of sources and some details. Pahari Sahib 10:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Baghdada article

The above article has been protected until August 22nd.

Basically, I removed some information which was unsourced (replacing it with a summary sentence), but another unregistered editor keeps putting it back to how it was.

I would be grateful if some of the members of this project could look at my/Pahari Sahib's version and compare it to the previous version. If I am at fault in removing the information, could someone (a) let me know on my talk page (b) find references?

The current version (21:48, 19 August 2009) (which is basically this edit with protection) is the protected version, which is basically the recent edits by myself and Pahari.

The previous version (which I believe to be incorrect, not necessarily factually, but from Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion) is shown in this version (12:12, 19 August 2009).

The differences between the last pre-edit version and the 12:12 19 Aug versions are shown on this diff:

1. The later version is restructured for clarity
2. The first part of the first paragraph ("Baghdada is known as centre of knowledge, education and sports in Mardan district.The great religious scholar Sheikhul Hadees Maulana Abdul Qayum, died in 1992, belonged to it. He was the unanimous religious leader of the region. Because of him the town also named as Baghdada shareef (name of honour and respect)."). I removed this as I could not find any sources of information for this. The remainder of the first paragraph is still in the article, but restructed, as per 1
3. I removed the "People" section (The literacy rate is higher than other Union councils of Mardan city) as there is no evidence of this.
4. The long paragraph about the mosque is unsourced (and I could find no sources of information for this), so I removed most of it - the mosque is still mentioned in the article (even though I didn't find a specific reference to it), but not the "historical" aspects.
5. The references, see also and external links sections were all tidied up by myself.

If WikiProject Pakistan members could look at it before the protection ends it would be helpful. If some of the content from the older version can be sourced, then Please discuss any changes on the talk page; you may use the {{editprotected}} template to ask an administrator to make the edit if it is supported by consensus.

I know that I know nothing about this region (or Pakistan in general), so I think it would be beneficial for members of this project to look at it and decide (using reliable sources and citations) what should be added to it.

The Baghdada and Talk:Baghdada pages are on my watchlist, so I will see any discussions on the talk page (and on this page) - but if anyone wants to leave a message on my talk page, just contact me!

Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes up for deletion

The Infobox Pakistani location template (the erstwhile Infobox Pakistani city) along with a couple of others are up for deletion. Whether you think they are all redundant or whether you would like to keep them make a note here so that the views of WP-Pakistan are adequately reflected. Pahari Sahib 10:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup

As you may have noticed, the templates are being standardised as part of a current drive to improve the standard of the Pakistan articles. If anybody here can help go through the Category:Cities, towns and villages in Pakistan and all the sub categories by district/province this would be great as a lot of them contian unencyclopedic lists of local "famous" people which should be removed as should very badly unreferenced written text about clans and in general. Please look out for WP:Peacock words, particularly "famous", "popular", "most beautiful", "best", "important", "main" etc and remove this WP:POV from articles.

Here is your typical content that should be removed asap. I removed this just minutes before posting here:

"It is a village of lovely and sincere people. A majority of the people are farmers who largely grow sugarcane, wheat and rice. Many people have gone abroad to strength the economy of their families and with the ultimate objective to serve their country. They are working hard abroad in Middle East and Europe. "sharfana" family is most dominent in this village.They are well mannered,educated and disciplined family. Choudary Mukkhtar Ahmad Gondal, ex chairman of unoin counsil belongs to this family, has his own integrity and respect in the whole tehsil. His nephews chouadary munawar sajjad gondal, choudary musharraf sajjad gondal, choudary mubashar sajjad gondal are highly educated and qualified guys in village."

Now we know the author meant good faith but you see what I mean... Please help find WP:Reliable sources to improve the quality of articles. Project members like Mr. Sahib and Mr. Brian Lara really need your support in writing decent articles about Pakistani places. Thanks! Himalayan 21:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'm finding the towns listed in the general Category:Cities, towns and villages in Pakistan to be a good place to start. If the editors haven't bothered to even narrow the category down by province, it's likely there are other things that need fixing. I think I'll start there before moving into the subcats. Great job finding a great example of regionalist fancruft above, it's always interesting to see what unencyclopedic themes folks focus on. MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I went and sub-cat'ed over 100 articles from Category:Cities, towns and villages in Pakistan, so the only articles remaining un-subbed are those which need a lot of cleanup, and/or are so unclear I can't even tell quite where they are. There are about 15 of those left if anyone wants to take a stab. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

New article 51 Special Action Group

This article appears to be about some special law-enforcement units, but is confusing, has no clear introduction, has unnecessary lists of officers, a bit of fancruft, etc. Found it in WP:UNCAT and cat'ed it, but giving a heads-up here for content. MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Probably better if you had posted this at WP:India :-) Pahari Sahib 08:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Major cleanup on Wasu, Punjab, or just chop it down to nothing?

I'm not a cruel person, but Wasu, Punjab appears to be one of those huge articles with no actual content and a lot of fluff, POV, local pride, etc. I chopped out the barely-legible ramblings about "notable" people and places, and anon IPs went and typed them all back in (by hand?) rather than revert. Should we chop it down to bare bones, plug in a coord and infobox, and then write-protect to keep people from trying to add their best friends and cousins into some "notable" listing? MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted to an earlier version Pahari Sahib 19:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Ranikot and Omerkot

ranikot & omerkot forts are synonomous or they are different qilas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.9.127 (talk) 15:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

What area are you referring to (what district?) Pahari Sahib 15:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Ranikot Fort is located near Hyderabad. Umerkot Fort is located at Umerkot. The latter, is the birth place of Mughal Emperor, Akbar.Rzafar (talk) 12:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Have divisions been reinstated?

I just posted Sahiwal Division at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. The article had been nominated for speedy deletion with the rationale "Pakistani divisions were abolished in 2000. [...]". Is that true? Please provide your valued feedback at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sahiwal Division. — Sebastian 07:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Pahari Sahib 08:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Meetup

Maybe this project would benefit from hosting a Meetup? --Saqib Qayyum (talk) 05:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

That would be great idea but I'll be out of city.--Zainichi Gaikokujin (talk) 08:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually what has happened to this project? Seems dead. Pahari Sahib 08:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

If are you talking about WikiProject:Pakistan, I sould say YES! and now, we really need at least a Meetup to discuss.--119.155.15.45 (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)