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06:18, 6 October 2024 review of submission by 130.76.25.234

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The author of this article about me (Nels Andrew Olson) is a colleague here in Seattle (Jon Crump). He, with the help of several other people extracted information from my long career as a chemist and put together this Wikipedia Article. It is factually correct and supported by my employment records, publications, seminars and talks I have given, the programs I have managed in academia, industry and the government. The authors have tried to suffice the requirements for the Wikipedia Article, following all of the guidance given. And yet, they have not been successful. Can you please give specific instructions on what exactly they have done wrong? The canned responses from reviewers are not helpful. Repeating guidance items that do not apply to the article's content are not helpful. Please be specific as to what the issues are so that my colleagues can finish their work authoring this account of my work and add to it as I move into by next appointment. 130.76.25.234 (talk) 06:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your colleagues should be disclosing their conflict of interest. You also say "colleagues" but the draft has been largely edited by a single editor. Accounts are strictly single person use only.
Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about the existence of someone and their work and activities. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikiepdia definition off a notable person. "Significant coverage" is that which goes beyond just mentioning the person or their activities and goes into detail about what sources see as important/significant/influential about the person- not what they or their associates see as important about them. 331dot (talk) 06:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

08:42, 6 October 2024 review of submission by Thanosb94

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I am requesting assistance to make clear how to proceed in a number of issues where I find myself kind of stuck.

1) To prove that the CV of dr. Armaos is legitimate I reference to big advertising magazines of Greece, where moves of his are being referenced. Is that a mistake?

2) I had trouble in confirming many things of dr. Armaos' CV that I knew them to be true. The reason was, that it was not easy to find links online from his early career, because that was in the 2000s and Greece was kind of behind schedule on its digital process. To compensate for that I did the following:

a. I referenced a basic text describing his history from iarmaos.gr and the greek version of huffpost. I get that iarmaos cannot be considered a reliable source but isn't huffpost a reliable one? Should I do something additional? b. I referenced to PDF files of interviews of dr. Armaos in greek magazines or newspapers to showcase that his CV is legitimate. Since I found it difficult to upload PDF files, I requested them to be uploaded in iarmaos.gr. I had already proceeded to note that there would be a conflict in my article. What can I do to prove those facts in a way that is reliable? Should I stop using iarmaos or any dr. Armaos’ media entirely? Should I upload them as PDF files? Do you have some propositions as to what should I do to prove things that I know are legitimate but cannot find anything online, because it was during time where not everything was digitized and some companies may have changed since then?

3) To showcase that he has also made several appearances as a Political Analyst and Communication Consultant on TV and Radio, I referenced links of youtube channels of major Greek media with videos of his. I also referenced again to iarmaos.gr, where one may find all these videos in one place. Should I remove iarmaos completely, even though the videos of his appearances on these media are legitimate? Should I use another way to showcase his appearance on social media that is not a youtube channel?

4) To prove that KEPRONIPO is legitimate, referenced his own CV on iarmaos and a pdf of an article of his uploaded through iarmaos.gr. Since there are not active digital links of the activity of the organization, what could I do to prove its activity?

Thank you in advance for your time. 

Thanosb94 (talk) 08:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thanosb94 Wikipedia is not for posting CVs. If you want the draft to get accepted, find multiple independent reliable sources (i.e. not YouTube or companies he's worked in) and rewrite the draft in a neutral tone. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:05, 6 October 2024 review of submission by Macrobreed2

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I have very recently submitted this draft for AFC review and am currently awaiting review. I am a little confused on the citation part for this specific Discography section. Do I need to cite each song or album individually? Or some would work. Additionally, there are 1-2 sources which I believe aren't much reliable as per WP:RS, still can I use them as primary sources to keep information? Best, Macrobreed2 (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:25, 6 October 2024 review of submission by Fomoriii

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heeey I've just made this page in the middle of a wikiathon :) it'd be great to jump the queue so we can keep up the good work! this is my first article so happy to take any feedback <3 Fomoriii (talk) 13:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fomoriii Yeah, and 1,300 or so should wait for you?. Unlikely. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 14:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
no need for the attitude love, im in a wikiathon and was encouraged to take a punt Fomoriii (talk) 14:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no means of speeding the review process, which is entirely conducted by volunteers. If we allow you to "jump the line" then we have to allow everyone to. If you are part of an event, perhaps a more experienced user can help you place the draft in the encyclopedia- if you want to roll the dice that it would survive an deletion discussion. 331dot (talk) 14:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18:34, 6 October 2024 review of submission by Shilohwebster

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What counts as a reliable source? Or, better questions, what are some examples of a good reliable source? I looked at the page and I couldn't quite understand and theres no examples to get a good idea. It says at the top of the page, "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered. If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Shilohwebster (talk) 18:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shilohwebster: We're looking for in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-subject news/review/scholarly sources that discuss the subject or their work at length and are subject to fact-checking and other sorts of editorial oversight. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 19:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ahh okay! thank you!! Shilohwebster (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:13, 6 October 2024 review of submission by TSventon

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This rejected draft is a duplicate of Ayşe Zarakol, started 8 September 2024‎. Should the draft be published and redirected to the existing article? TSventon (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon: Draftspace is not for redirects; try making a request on WP:Articles for creation/Redirects instead. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 19:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not my submission, I was looking at AfC submissions on 22 August and saw that this rejected draft is now a duplicate of an existing article and asked for advice what to do. Presumably this is a fairly common occurrence. Publishing and redirecting would create a redirect from a plausible spelling and keep the history in case there is any useful content there. TSventon (talk) 19:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: And I'm effectively saying that particular dog isn't going to hunt. The better option would be to just request the redirect be made at AFC/R, after merging any content in the draft that is worth keeping into the mainspace article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 19:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am trying to find out the normal response to a duplicate at AfC, would you inform the submitter and then allow the draft to be deleted eventually due to inactivity? The submitter was an IP account, so they would probably not see a message. I would have thought that if content was used in another article then the draft shouldn't be deleted, but I could be wrong. I am happy to create a redirect, I don't need to use AFC/R. TSventon (talk) 20:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: The usual response is for the submitter to come here or onto -en-help and try to split hairs as to how a red dog is meaningfully different from a burgundy dog.
In all seriousness, the draft is generally left up so that the content can be merged, and then deleted via G13 later down the line. We generally assume the submitter is watching the draft (and their talk page, which is less relevant when it comes to IPs due to how those are allocated), which would make any notification beyond the decline (and notice on the submitter's talk page) unnecessary. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 01:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jéské Couriano, thank you for coming back to answer, I have found a page here that says Edit the draft, and replace it with a redirect to the article is one possibility, but I don't think that is really necessary here as draft and article are mostly similar. I have created a redirect for the name without diacritics as that is useful to have. TSventon (talk) 02:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:42, 6 October 2024 review of submission by Calebos04

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What kind of content would be considered sufficient? This was a historic moment in the MLB, and I followed the format of other articles of similar plays like the 2011 World Series walkoff, 1993 World Series walkoff, etc. Thanks Calebos04 (talk) 19:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sources do you have that discuss the importance of this game, never mind a specific play in the game, that warrants it a standalone article separate from the article about the series? It's not uncommon for games be won by a home run. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I talked about how it was a postseason winner-take-all game, and that it was the first time that that type of game was won in that nature. Calebos04 (talk) 19:59, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you're saying that it led to them going to the next round, well, yes, that's the whole point. Maybe if they win the World Series and sportswriters say it hinged on this home run, maybe.....but it would be too soon. 331dot (talk) 19:58, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw this comment after writing my reply from earlier. Okay, we will wait and see what happens, though I will say that the reason why I wanted to create this article was because of the historic nature of it. Calebos04 (talk) 20:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't all final games in a postseason series winner take all? 331dot (talk) 20:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Winner-take-all games are games where the winner moves on, whereas the loser is eliminated. This was game 3 of a best-of-3. So best-of-7 series that are won in 6 do not have a winner-take-all game. Calebos04 (talk) 20:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but if the other team had won the first two games, there would have been no third game, just as you describe with a 7 game series. I don't see the distinction. It's not required that I do, but sources will need to, and I think, if it does, it will come later. 331dot (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be more clear. A winner-take-all is a game that guarantees someone's elimination and guarantees that someone advances. The other 3 series all ended in 2 games, however they are not considered winner-take-all because had the other team won, no one would've been eliminated or advanced, which contradicts the guarantee that a winner-take-all holds. Here's a source that shows this distinction: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2024/10/03/brewers-have-been-in-six-previous-winner-take-all-postseason-battles/75496717007/ Calebos04 (talk) 20:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by "if it does, it will come later"? Calebos04 (talk) 21:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But that isn't a new concept, maybe it's never happened to a 3 game series, but it happens to other series all the time.
The game isn't a week old yet; the alleged historic nature of this may not be apparent until later. 331dot (talk) 21:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A game-winning home run in the 9th or later while trailing in a winner-take-all postseason game had never happened before until then, which is why it is a historic play. Calebos04 (talk) 21:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Calebos04: How many of your sources are about the home run specifically, and not just recaps of the game? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 01:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gotta agree with others here. The first X to do Y under Z conditions in a baseball game is not inherently notable. Neither Bill Mazeroski's 1960 World Series homer or Joe Carter's 1993 World Series game 6 homer would have been appropriate to add as pages a couple days later, if Wikipedia had existed at the time. This could very well be an appropriate subject for a standalone article someday, should it become a noted play that's talked about and covered in the future in and of itself. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 09:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok, well thanks for the responses.
Just a quick question, it says "If you have not resolved the issues listed above, your draft will be declined again and potentially deleted". Is this only talking about if you resubmit it again without the changes, or if you don't change anything for a while?
Thanks. Calebos04 (talk) 04:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:57, 6 October 2024 review of submission by Imagerie Creations

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I would like to inquire as to why my article was declined and the ways in which I can revise it to get it approved. Imagerie Creations (talk) 19:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:38, 6 October 2024 review of submission by Missourian BJMD

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I have 2 questions.

1. Can I still make this article? The response after sending the review submission said the page already exists on the Lake Chad Wikipedia page. Does this mean I can not create the article?

2. If I can create it still how can I make it so it gets accepted? Missourian BJMD (talk) 20:38, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It means you should first attempt to improve the Lake Chad article with this information. It doesn't seem like it warrants a standalone article. 331dot (talk) 20:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

22:36, 6 October 2024 review of submission by Lawrencia Vedor

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Notability Lawrencia Vedor (talk) 22:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lawrencia Vedor that isn't a question, but your draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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